We think ENCTEC has an excellent attitude with its engineering-first focus and its transparency about its goals. It was refreshing to see the open mindset. Our GN Mouse Mats are back in stock & shipping now! store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-wireframe-mouse-mat Watch one of our tours of an SMT Factory here (Gigabyte motherboard factory): th-cam.com/video/cnAFTMaS5R0/w-d-xo.html
Can you give us the contact information for ENCTEC? Particularly if they're potentially looking for 'mod' build proposals to show consumer application?
Their honesty in their videos regarding the limits of the passive cooling makes me want to purchase a board more than any fancy numbers or flashy ads ever have.
Their customers are other engineers, who a) know how to spec out parts b) know how and have the equipment to check that they're getting what they paid for, and c) aren't impressed with cosmetics. So yeah, they will fail to gain customers if they don't supply detailed data (and they will lose customers if the data turns out to be incorrect). Their behavior is not because they are an especially scrupulous company. It's because their customers are very savvy.
No, no they're thinking of the right one. Steve will break something, his own way. Besides, he always likes to have two samples, one to break apart to see how it ticks, and one for the shelves.
I don't know if the folks at ENCTEC are reading this, but as Steve mentioned, I really appreciate you releasing videos showing the shortcomings of the cooling solution. This engineering first mindset is what will keep your customers well informed and satisfied.
Especially for anything regarding innovations, it really inspires trust when they are so open about it. I truly hope ENCTEC reads this and continues doing so. Nowdays its difficult for any company to listen to the customers, hope ENCTEC introduces innovations not only tech-wise but also regards customer feedback :)
That's genius! Make a fixture that holds heat pipes to the cpu, and a finned back panel on the case that just needs a dab of thermal paste so it makes contact with the heat pipes when closed
@@Sully948 You'd probably want to use thermal pads rather than paste - not quite as good contact wise, but when using a side panel that could be coming on and off it would be a much better choice i think
@@Sully948 I think it would be better to have the heat pipes fixed to the back panel heat sink and use the back panel to press them to the CPU. But that would require that the placement of the CPU socket is standardized so the contact area for the heat spreader is known. Fortunately this is currently proprietary and thus effectively the chance to specify a new standard which makes adding specifications like that easy. If the height of the sockets could also be specified to make the total height of the heat spreader on the CPU the design wouldn't have to deal with different heights for different processor architectures. This is however harder to do and could make motherboards even more expensive to manufacture.
Haha, thanks. I am still taking tutoring twice a week and improving slowly. It still feels weird to switch between English and Mandarin in the same sentence, but getting better. Remembering the tones for every word is still very hard for me. I also have to improve a lot on my ability to quickly put the grammar together for a sentence. It's a lot easier to listen than it is to reply!
@@GamersNexus switching language(accent specifically) mid-sentence is one of the hardest things to do imo, I still struggle with it after speaking "passable as native" English for almost 10 years.
@@GamersNexus Just remember, English also has tones, you just don't notice it much unless you learn a second language or study linguistics. It's just that the sound patterns aren't as diverse as Mandarin, and there's not as many homonyms. Chinese characters and the sounds are extremely context sensitive thanks to all those damn homonyms... You're doing good! Keep it up man.
I'm thinking about the HTPC market with AM4 Zen 3 APUs and ITX boards as effectively the entire underside of a case can become a giant heatsink as well. To add, this does pose some interesting and difficult engineering challenges.
@@earthtaurus5515 my thoughts exactly, only ITX is not necessary. living room audio equipment is typically the size of an ATX board or larger so it would fit right in, even at EATX size... the passive heat sink should exactly match the size of the side of the case (or 'top' of case, as it should be laid down flat like a receiver/amp), at which point it would be large enough to cool a 105w or less AMD part, especially for HTPC use.
@@Artcore103 True. I agree Heat dissipation would be a concern in a small case, whereas on the bigger board that wouldn't be a problem. In terms of placement it does depend on the size of the cabinet, side board etc. As the shelves tend to be crammed with stuff lol. Plus, I was thinking more along the lines of a minimal set up as a HTPC could effectively replace a console, blu-ray drive and set top box with an integrated IR or bluetooth module. Which would either allow for more volume of air around the small chasis or allow you to store controllers, blu ray cases etc around it if it's stored in a small cabinet etc. Or wall mounting it like a functional piece of art.
@@earthtaurus5515 this, except, install the board upside down. Back of the board up to the box cover being a giant passive heatsink, a bit like streacom side of their passive box. Up of the bord downside inside a case. Would be great, becasue it wouldn't really need a complex mounting of heatpipe inside the box, and would eliminate the risk of CPU heat overheating other components.
"Hey, Joe, could you flip the CPU socket please? It should take a few hours tops..." 2 caffeine fueled days later: "Man this was hard! Few hours tops my a**!"
My Hong Kongese gf was sitting behind me while I was watching this video and she told me that your mandarin pronounciation is really good :D congratz Steve!
2 words: Refreshingly original. As a IT director who sometimes misses being in the weeds, I love engineer first companies. Congrats to the leadership and techs who worked together to make this happen.
Everyone is being so positive towards the company and rightfully so, engineering first perspective and all, but I want to give props to Steve for explaining why such technology can potentially cost more due to the increased manufacturing cost. Seems Steve has the engineering first perspective as ENCTEC :) I'd love for ENCTEC to introduce this to the gaming market, alongside with some cool cases and also another food for thought - we can reintroduce sidevents for CPUs once again like in older cases.
We need this. CPU and cooler one side, GPU and cooler the other. I was hoping Intel did this with their mini PCI PC setup, but they did the opposite, and shoved the heatsink and fan against the GPU PCB and failed :( .
@@Jajalaatmaar It harks from the old days of big add in cards and everything being on a separate PCB. Now with so much intergrated, we need to redo the layout.
@@Jajalaatmaar Honestly dude. Having a middle wall within the chassi to split up the cooling need based on wich side the component is on is actually not terrible. You have seperate airflow for CPU/GPU.
I don't know what's weirder: CPU socket on the back or seeing PCI and M.2 on the same board. The green color and white Molex blocks make it look like a 486 era board as well.
Recently upgraded my mother's pc and she is complaining that the "new" mobo/cpu (A10 7860k with apropriate mobo) doesn't have IDE and the DVD drive is useless. Never underestimate people's need for obsolete tech.
I really can imagine this being a really cool product for high end builds, but I can't imagine it gaining much traction unless they get a well-know case manufacturer to go along with it as well.
The primary purpose of this configuration is to *minimize* airflow inside when you can't afford to let in tons of dusts into the case to cool CPU. One solution in such situations is to use this setup and give it a durable heatsink that sticks out to the backside. If necessary the heatsink may be screwed onto case opening with a gasket so that the case backside can be made waterproof. Rare in ITX or ATX form factors though.
Yup. For those that have never seen how a factory or industrial PC gets used, it's tough to understand just how filthy the environment around the PC can be. One place I used to work had so many metal shavings piling up on their PCs that they would blow them off once per shift with an air compressor. Try that with an actively cooler and vented PC! Yikes!
@@dvno7581 They do, but it is insanely hard to find one in many market, I have only seen a few lurking in server room, they are private property of the server dude though.
This is supremely fascinating, and I'd _love_ to see more videos about it in the future. If they ever come out with an AM4 board I'll definitely consider it for my next build, even if only for the novelty of sticking a heatsink the size of the motherboard in my PC.
I would just like to add that for passive cooling, you would want fins to be oriented vertically, so air can naturally rise from the bottom to the top, passing through the fins. The heatsink shown in the video had horizontal fins which would have a massive difference with active cooling. and slight air stagnation in passive
Seems like testing this and testing the passive approach again would be a good next video idea. I'd love to see some data on it. Could be useful to people.
I reacted to this as well, but if you look at their promotion material, specifically at 7:08, they seem to rotate the system 90 degrees so that the fins are vertical. So this might be a fair assessment to make considering the cooler GN got, but considering some of their other coolers already implement that solution you would think they know about it at the very least.
Very surprised this hasn't been done before, I've actually had a few builds that I've wanted exactly this kind of configuration for. It's great to see that someone out there is still innovating, and being honest with their product at that.
I also really hope this becomes a thing. I think a big market for these products is in music studios or even video studios. TARGET THE HOME STUDIO MUSIC PRODUCERS!! I myself am a music producer, video producer and product designer. So I need a computer that is powerful enough to run my CAD software but quiet enough for audio recordings. I build my own PCs and have been dreaming for years about making a passive build but came to the conclusion that for it to really work, the CPU needs to be on the back so I am VERY HAPPY to see that someone is doing this. Keep it up! I would for sure by the X590 model for my next build!
I actually think this setup could have excellent thermal performance if implemented correctly. As Steve said, you can separate loops. Or for air cooling, you can have a completely separate airflow for the CPU that isn't heated by or heating other components
@@JerryDodge That was exactly my point... Passive cooling for a NAS, with a power effecient CPU and integrated graphics, with lots and lots of storage. Perfect home NAS setup.
I've never seen such a thing, and it's honestly pretty brilliant. This would be great for giant air coolers or interesting custom loops with a case specifically built for it. Now we just need enthusiast grade hardware.
I love the engineering transparency. Thank you for the work on featuring these products. The prospect of a silent PC with this level of CPU performance is very compelling.
This was a fresh thing to see. From what you've shown of Enctec, I appreciate what they do and how they do it. I would LOVE to see an AM4 version. I love doing scratch builds and case mods, and these boards have the ideas rolling... It would be so much fun to get one of these and their coolers. I love the idea, and would love to see more about it in the future. Thanks for taking the time to put together some of these more "abstract" and "out of mainstream" videos
Interested? yes, AM4 socketed please. I would build one of these no matter what the socket, but to have a daily use PC I would love to have one running a modern AM4 socketed CPU.
@@AliciaCLR Oh no! How will I ever get display out if I'm not using an intel CPU, perhaps they could make some kind of card or something to fix this. 🤔
@@AliciaCLR I'm pretty sure he said basically the entire time that they're interested in breaking into the consumer market but idk maybe I'm just hearing things
Wow, as soon as they make one with socket AM4, I'll upgrade my mothers PC. She's rocking a 3400G that's pretty much at the brink of throttling all the time because her PC is completely passively cooled by a Mugen 5. She's a heavy smoker and I'm just too lazy to clean her PC six tines a year...
There are so many possibilities with double sided motherboards. The 2019 Mac Pro was a good example of this with the dimm slots on the back of the logic board in a super easy to access area.
I love how the PCB is just the standard green. it looks so sparse and naked, its kinda refreshing.. im a bit done with all the flashy screen-printing and added stuff thats common these days that some marketing department is trying to remind us all how GAMER we are
@@Remsster more due to what you can do size wise. Connections for the modem tend to be I'm weird places or right where an entertainment system is in rentals so having something like this passively cooled in a small container would be amazing.
@@thedmpdModem? I don't follow, what does a modem have anything to do with a modern PC. Unless you're talking about a cable internet modem, but I don't see how this design would affect how an Ethernet cable connects
You don't need a gaming CPU for a home router. I use an Odroid H2+ (the plus has 2*2,5 Gbps Eth), it's passively cooled, the Celeron J4115 uses like 6W tops under single core load (10W TDP for 4-core) and obviously never goes to 100% load routing just 1 Gbps. Way more sane than building a monstrosity that could run Crysis and using it as a router :)
@@startedtech Sorry Sam, I should have been more clear. The modem and router tend to be clustered together in a rental home since we don't have permission to go fishing in walls/do construction. Add in that your partner will kill you if you have visible cable runs all over the house, it is wisest then to place your DIY router close to your modem. So this cooler would be awesome in that you could have it in a fanless router built hidden in an entertainment stand without having to worry about noise levels for the fans.
I been wanting something like this for some time. It could make desktop PCs thinner, by using the panel on the CPU side as an aluminum heatsink as part of the case itself. Some pre-built PCs have done this before, but they have non-commercial custom board designs. The small form factor community would celebrate this.
@@juntapiezas They exist, but they involve screwing a whole bunch of (separate) heat pipes onto the cold plate yourself, then attaching the heat pipes to the case, all while putting thermal paste everywhere. With the CPU on the back, you can just mount the case-cooler together with the motherboard mounting, which makes things much simpler.
I thought about this so many times. It would simplify passive cooling cases so much. I thought it was so unlikely to ever happen that I never said anything about it anywhere. That's awesome.
I'm surprised to see the fins oriented horizontally. I'd expect a passive heatsink to be oriented mostly vertical to try and benefit from convection airflow.
As a silence nerd this is very interesting. If this was logistically viable I wouldn't mind trying it in my next build. I love the fact they were honest with their heat video, so rare to see. I like them.
I normally don't comment but just wanted to say that this is so refreshing! Really enjoy the videos were you dig into something new - as in new ideas! Keep up the good work. :)
This could make "console killers" a lot easier to put together and slim full ATX builds a reality for those who need full ATX. That prototype case gives me a few ideas for builds already.
@@DrKrFfXx000000000000 Because they come from an industrial space, and that's dominated by intel. Remember this is primarily and industrial board, and they're just shopping the idea around to see if it gets any traction
Love this. I hate having the cpu cooler right in the middle of where I need to put stuff. Ah I can’t put in ram because of clearances...ah I can’t asses my ram because it’s behind the cpu cooler...ah I can’t mount a top case radiator because the cpu cooler is in the way. (I am looking forward to using AMD CPU’s into the future)
Before years I had an imagine about let put the PCIe slots to the other side. And here it is the idea but in a different way. In some case it could be a very compact, space optimizated PC.
So nice to see a company honest enough to let the product speak for itself instead of the marketing dept. Love this video guys. I enjoy seeing what some companies are doing that sparks our desire to see solutions to problems or even inspire new products with simple solutions.
I mean, the water wouldn't be an issue if you just did a glycol mix. Use an automotive mix for the anti-corrosion additives, seal it if you are worried about pets/kids getting at it.
I actually love this concept. As a system builder myself, I have wondered about this. Its amazing to see it has been happening in a very custom aspect. I cannot wait for this to be an option for the every day consumer!!
Very interesting. Always cool to see something different, especially from a company that is so willing to be open about it. Would love to see more of this kind of content, in general.
I just picture Steve standing in front of a mirror before shooting this, "OK this company's name is shen- ahhh crap... OK this company's name is shenduuuu what whas it? OK this company's name is F IT WE'LL DO IT LIVE"
I really like to see this kind of different approach to a matter. The potential of this format is insane! It can be game changing if they manage to bring this in a competitive price point.
ENCTEC... no words, gj mates. Even though I most likely will not be using your boards I would like to support the way you operate as a company. Showing down sides, issues, and careful engineering steps is something quite refreshing. I really appreciate the way you've presented yourselves so far. For reference and out of respect I would like you to note that I almost never comment on any videos whatsoever, however this content, transparency and effort has brought my attention enough for me to make at least a praise in the form of a comment.
Also, cannot forget the length Steve goes to in order to showcase value in the tech world! I know you don't ever need anyone saying this, but man do we appreciate you...
i have wanted to do this for years.a desktop mother board for a laptop. laptops always seemed so under powered to me. if on battery time you can have a lower tdp limit. if plugged into your wall socket full power. having a huge heatsink that doesnt thermally limit you in 10 seconds.
We think ENCTEC has an excellent attitude with its engineering-first focus and its transparency about its goals. It was refreshing to see the open mindset.
Our GN Mouse Mats are back in stock & shipping now! store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-wireframe-mouse-mat
Watch one of our tours of an SMT Factory here (Gigabyte motherboard factory): th-cam.com/video/cnAFTMaS5R0/w-d-xo.html
Yea! hope mine gets here soon :)
AM4 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you give us the contact information for ENCTEC? Particularly if they're potentially looking for 'mod' build proposals to show consumer application?
@entec
mATX board with daughter boards for 2 x16pcie + 2 x4pcie. also make it AMD, if you are pushing the cost, better chase the crown.
crazy idea. Flash the bios with the coffeetime mod and see how well it runs with a modest 6 core CPU or go all out with an i9 9900k
Their honesty in their videos regarding the limits of the passive cooling makes me want to purchase a board more than any fancy numbers or flashy ads ever have.
Right? That was the highlight of this video honestly.
Same!
Exactly. I really like this company for that. Hopefully they never get a PR office.
Ikr? It's fascinating how the marketing for industrial hardware is not complete bullshit more often than not - even in China!
Wholeheartedly Agree!
A tech company that is actually honest with their marketing material? That alone is a strong reason to give their products a closer look.
Totally. Perfect for a NAS, home server, media PC and many more.
@@truckerallikatuk ghgh ho to u7 ooop
Must be that they are in the industrial side.
Their customers are other engineers, who a) know how to spec out parts b) know how and have the equipment to check that they're getting what they paid for, and c) aren't impressed with cosmetics. So yeah, they will fail to gain customers if they don't supply detailed data (and they will lose customers if the data turns out to be incorrect). Their behavior is not because they are an especially scrupulous company. It's because their customers are very savvy.
That's usually how it is at first before stakeholders took the reins.
GN: Why did you send us two boards?
ENCTEC: It's incase you break one.
ENCTEC, you're thinking of the wrong channel.
*cough LinusDroptips cough*
No, no they're thinking of the right one.
Steve will break something, his own way. Besides, he always likes to have two samples, one to break apart to see how it ticks, and one for the shelves.
@@grossly820 I was thinking JayzTwoCents. lol
If I can cool my gpu passively on one side and cpu passively on the other with dust being a non issue then take my money 💲
Oh and I'm on very much an am4 kinda guy. Wink wink nudge nudge.
:O
This is really smart. I hope this becomes more of a 'thing'!
no way
what are you cooking up now
your a legend mate
you should definitely build a pc with that motherboard!
Of course you would like to make a custom PC with this motherboard hahahaha
Looking forward to what you WILL do with this board, everything you make is incredible. This will be interesting.
ENCTEC: "It's in case you break one...we've looked at your channel."
Steve: "You sure you didn't mean to send these to Linus Tech Tips?"
Well, Steve's breakdowns usually remains breakdowned
Stadia controller starts spinning in its ziplock bag.
Rule of thumb Hassan, you can’t break a giant ass heat sink...easily.
COOLING THROUGH PASSIVE 🙌🏻
Well Linus now Got one so.
@@DanielLopez-up6os linus just make a video about this motherboard
I don't know if the folks at ENCTEC are reading this, but as Steve mentioned, I really appreciate you releasing videos showing the shortcomings of the cooling solution. This engineering first mindset is what will keep your customers well informed and satisfied.
Especially for anything regarding innovations, it really inspires trust when they are so open about it. I truly hope ENCTEC reads this and continues doing so. Nowdays its difficult for any company to listen to the customers, hope ENCTEC introduces innovations not only tech-wise but also regards customer feedback :)
@@Bl4ckP0150n plus it helps development of an idea. The more people jump on the bandwagon the faster it could come to the market
This kinda calls for a case where the back panel is a big heatsink.
That's genius! Make a fixture that holds heat pipes to the cpu, and a finned back panel on the case that just needs a dab of thermal paste so it makes contact with the heat pipes when closed
@@Sully948 You'd probably want to use thermal pads rather than paste - not quite as good contact wise, but when using a side panel that could be coming on and off it would be a much better choice i think
@@Sully948 I think it would be better to have the heat pipes fixed to the back panel heat sink and use the back panel to press them to the CPU. But that would require that the placement of the CPU socket is standardized so the contact area for the heat spreader is known. Fortunately this is currently proprietary and thus effectively the chance to specify a new standard which makes adding specifications like that easy. If the height of the sockets could also be specified to make the total height of the heat spreader on the CPU the design wouldn't have to deal with different heights for different processor architectures. This is however harder to do and could make motherboards even more expensive to manufacture.
this is sort of how laptops like the macbook are designed right? although you dont want the back panel of the laptop getting THAT hot
Oh boy
A case that IS the heatsink
Now we're talking out of the box thermals
Steve’s Mandarin accent has improved since he last spoke Mandarin in a video!
Haha, thanks. I am still taking tutoring twice a week and improving slowly. It still feels weird to switch between English and Mandarin in the same sentence, but getting better. Remembering the tones for every word is still very hard for me. I also have to improve a lot on my ability to quickly put the grammar together for a sentence. It's a lot easier to listen than it is to reply!
@@GamersNexus switching language(accent specifically) mid-sentence is one of the hardest things to do imo, I still struggle with it after speaking "passable as native" English for almost 10 years.
@@GamersNexus Tones in a tonal language always will be the hardest part, maybe save for conjugation. You'll get it, man.
@@GamersNexus Just remember, English also has tones, you just don't notice it much unless you learn a second language or study linguistics. It's just that the sound patterns aren't as diverse as Mandarin, and there's not as many homonyms. Chinese characters and the sounds are extremely context sensitive thanks to all those damn homonyms...
You're doing good! Keep it up man.
His surgery was a mandarin implant upgrade
I absolutely LOVED their honesty.
I'd also love to see an AM4 version. This is something I'm really interested in 🙂
I'm thinking about the HTPC market with AM4 Zen 3 APUs and ITX boards as effectively the entire underside of a case can become a giant heatsink as well. To add, this does pose some interesting and difficult engineering challenges.
This would be perfect with the 5600X. Super-silent box.
@@earthtaurus5515 my thoughts exactly, only ITX is not necessary. living room audio equipment is typically the size of an ATX board or larger so it would fit right in, even at EATX size... the passive heat sink should exactly match the size of the side of the case (or 'top' of case, as it should be laid down flat like a receiver/amp), at which point it would be large enough to cool a 105w or less AMD part, especially for HTPC use.
@@Artcore103 True. I agree Heat dissipation would be a concern in a small case, whereas on the bigger board that wouldn't be a problem.
In terms of placement it does depend on the size of the cabinet, side board etc. As the shelves tend to be crammed with stuff lol.
Plus, I was thinking more along the lines of a minimal set up as a HTPC could effectively replace a console, blu-ray drive and set top box with an integrated IR or bluetooth module.
Which would either allow for more volume of air around the small chasis or allow you to store controllers, blu ray cases etc around it if it's stored in a small cabinet etc. Or wall mounting it like a functional piece of art.
@@earthtaurus5515 this, except, install the board upside down. Back of the board up to the box cover being a giant passive heatsink, a bit like streacom side of their passive box. Up of the bord downside inside a case. Would be great, becasue it wouldn't really need a complex mounting of heatpipe inside the box, and would eliminate the risk of CPU heat overheating other components.
"we've seen your channel, it's in case you break one."
i like these guys!
It's nice to see such unique things that consumers don't often know about being showcased.
From the CPU's perspective, everything else is on the back.
That makes sense in hindsight.
This feels like my life story.
So, is this an application of the General or Special Theory of Motherboard Relavitiy?
Bro, how many times a day do people call you willy wang?
@@SebastianSonntag General. This CPU only operates on traditional theory of physics.
An engineer accidentally mirrored the socket in mainboard.
"its not a bug its a feature"
i would like to believe this is how they came up with the idea
This is what happened to his career.
some inventions happen by accident
"Hey, Joe, could you flip the CPU socket please? It should take a few hours tops..."
2 caffeine fueled days later:
"Man this was hard! Few hours tops my a**!"
Gamers Nexus: "see how long it takes you to spot what is interesting"
Also Gamers Nexus: literally in the title and description
My Hong Kongese gf was sitting behind me while I was watching this video and she told me that your mandarin pronounciation is really good :D congratz Steve!
He has been learning it for a while
2 words:
Refreshingly original.
As a IT director who sometimes misses being in the weeds, I love engineer first companies. Congrats to the leadership and techs who worked together to make this happen.
Everyone is being so positive towards the company and rightfully so, engineering first perspective and all, but I want to give props to Steve for explaining why such technology can potentially cost more due to the increased manufacturing cost. Seems Steve has the engineering first perspective as ENCTEC :) I'd love for ENCTEC to introduce this to the gaming market, alongside with some cool cases and also another food for thought - we can reintroduce sidevents for CPUs once again like in older cases.
Seems crazy at first look but actually starts to make sense.
The ATX setup seems crazy and once you start thinking about it just gets worse. It's just a stupid suboptimal convention.
@@Jajalaatmaar It really is terrible. Time it was replaced.
We need this. CPU and cooler one side, GPU and cooler the other. I was hoping Intel did this with their mini PCI PC setup, but they did the opposite, and shoved the heatsink and fan against the GPU PCB and failed :( .
@@Jajalaatmaar It harks from the old days of big add in cards and everything being on a separate PCB. Now with so much intergrated, we need to redo the layout.
@@Jajalaatmaar Honestly dude. Having a middle wall within the chassi to split up the cooling need based on wich side the component is on is actually not terrible. You have seperate airflow for CPU/GPU.
DEFINETELY interested in an AMD version, maybe when AM5 arrives?
That may be what they're going for. They need to make a lot of upgrades before mass production of a consumer market board.
Interesting motherboards.
They can be the "spine" of some very creative builds. Can't wait for the AM4 ones.
This would make an AMAZING Mini-itx system
Would it really? Considering most ITX cases have the GPU there instead
Why
The current sandwich style itx cases are very inefficient in terms of cooling. But I'm not going to elaborateon that in a YT comment section
Definitely, the entire top could be a heatsink like on some high end power amplifiers.
@@AOB414 Eh no different from itx cases that flip the board and use Pcie extensions
I don't know what's weirder: CPU socket on the back or seeing PCI and M.2 on the same board. The green color and white Molex blocks make it look like a 486 era board as well.
GET ME SOME JUMPERS!
The year is 2022. Video card supply has become so dire we've gone back to VESA Local Bus.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 lmao
@@GamersNexus Oh god no! It was bad enough with good vision...
Recently upgraded my mother's pc and she is complaining that the "new" mobo/cpu (A10 7860k with apropriate mobo) doesn't have IDE and the DVD drive is useless. Never underestimate people's need for obsolete tech.
You can tell GN likes this company because they actually produce honest information about their product, testing, and results. Love it!
Yeah, we rarely see a company that just shows all the results upfront.
Take note, MSI.
Don't we all like the honesty?
@@Ander01SE Those of us who don't swallow marketing whole. :P
When Steve pronounces words in mandarin, it sounds like someone else is speaking through him.
Yea he’s getting ridiculously proficient in mandarin
Years ago, he was Chinese...
Yes, i have heard and :hmm: this also,
Chinese Jesus?
@@zarmaanful no thanks I ate already
I really can imagine this being a really cool product for high end builds, but I can't imagine it gaining much traction unless they get a well-know case manufacturer to go along with it as well.
The depth in the back would either have to be deeper, or enough room for a water-cooling setup.
This looks interesting. I love when you guys show off unique stuff like this. Keep up the great work!
The primary purpose of this configuration is to *minimize* airflow inside when you can't afford to let in tons of dusts into the case to cool CPU. One solution in such situations is to use this setup and give it a durable heatsink that sticks out to the backside. If necessary the heatsink may be screwed onto case opening with a gasket so that the case backside can be made waterproof. Rare in ITX or ATX form factors though.
I would love to had that in my previous IT job at a concrete factory... computers where a big mess and every 5 to 8 months they broke down
Yup. For those that have never seen how a factory or industrial PC gets used, it's tough to understand just how filthy the environment around the PC can be. One place I used to work had so many metal shavings piling up on their PCs that they would blow them off once per shift with an air compressor.
Try that with an actively cooler and vented PC! Yikes!
"It's a passive cooler"
"well, except for the 4ft noctua fan we slapped on it"
they test both
I didn't even know they made pc fans as big as seen in the video
@@dvno7581 They do, but it is insanely hard to find one in many market, I have only seen a few lurking in server room, they are private property of the server dude though.
@@Verpal Not insanely hard at all. The Antec NX Series NX800 has 2 RGB ones.
Thermaltake COMMANDER C33 has as well.
This is supremely fascinating, and I'd _love_ to see more videos about it in the future. If they ever come out with an AM4 board I'll definitely consider it for my next build, even if only for the novelty of sticking a heatsink the size of the motherboard in my PC.
It's great to see something "new" and unique, definitely will be following them.
I would just like to add that for passive cooling, you would want fins to be oriented vertically, so air can naturally rise from the bottom to the top, passing through the fins. The heatsink shown in the video had horizontal fins which would have a massive difference with active cooling. and slight air stagnation in passive
Seems like testing this and testing the passive approach again would be a good next video idea. I'd love to see some data on it. Could be useful to people.
I reacted to this as well, but if you look at their promotion material, specifically at 7:08, they seem to rotate the system 90 degrees so that the fins are vertical. So this might be a fair assessment to make considering the cooler GN got, but considering some of their other coolers already implement that solution you would think they know about it at the very least.
They could just turn the board by 90° maybe for testing. Would be intresting to see the difference
"we sent you two in case you break one"
LTT: I am missing a package...
Love scrolling TH-cam randomly at 1am and seeing a GN video drop
3am here, had the same feeling, and it was a GREAT video
It's cool to be up late.
Same
Very surprised this hasn't been done before, I've actually had a few builds that I've wanted exactly this kind of configuration for.
It's great to see that someone out there is still innovating, and being honest with their product at that.
I also really hope this becomes a thing. I think a big market for these products is in music studios or even video studios. TARGET THE HOME STUDIO MUSIC PRODUCERS!!
I myself am a music producer, video producer and product designer. So I need a computer that is powerful enough to run my CAD software but quiet enough for audio recordings. I build my own PCs and have been dreaming for years about making a passive build but came to the conclusion that for it to really work, the CPU needs to be on the back so I am VERY HAPPY to see that someone is doing this. Keep it up! I would for sure by the X590 model for my next build!
Since Intel’s going backwards, ENCTEC wanted to physically represent that.
😆 LOL
XD
This would be so cool for my recording studio thanks for bringing this to our attention GN
I already have one passively cooled computer and would definitely look at this as an option for a new one. However, AM4 is a must.
It is definitely neat seeing unique cooling solutions like this even if they are not the most thermally optimal. Really enjoyable video!
I actually think this setup could have excellent thermal performance if implemented correctly. As Steve said, you can separate loops. Or for air cooling, you can have a completely separate airflow for the CPU that isn't heated by or heating other components
This is awesome! I would love to have one in AM4!
If I didn't already have a machine already for a NAS, this would probably be the most awesome way to do one.
A NAS doesn't really require much CPU power in the first place. It just needs a lot of storage and fast network.
@@JerryDodge Exactly he could use an i3 and it could easily be passively cooled with alot of storage in the front.
@@JerryDodge That was exactly my point... Passive cooling for a NAS, with a power effecient CPU and integrated graphics, with lots and lots of storage. Perfect home NAS setup.
I've never been so giddy to see such a plain PCB, this is some seriously cool shit.
Is it cool shit, or hot shit? That is the question :)
@@Go-ah-oold It think the technical term for green PCBs with modern fittings is "retro shit".
This is amazing, please continue to cover this company’s products!
I love the green motherboard as well, they should make a comeback!
Am4 boards with good over clocking capabilities would be huge, gives a lot of room on the board for moding
People would build custom cases for this design
I've never seen such a thing, and it's honestly pretty brilliant. This would be great for giant air coolers or interesting custom loops with a case specifically built for it. Now we just need enthusiast grade hardware.
Finally, an actually interesting motherboard.
This is neat AF and you should definitely do more with this (as long as random releases aren't running you all ragged) :D
I love the engineering transparency. Thank you for the work on featuring these products. The prospect of a silent PC with this level of CPU performance is very compelling.
That's pretty interesting. This is what innovation looks like.
This does make a lot of sense, having a huge heatsink that's much closer to the board probably puts less strain on it. Would love to see more of this.
I have wondered for years why this was not a typical design feature.
Same!
Me too
I want this in an HTPC
0:50 me, reading the title of this video and then wanting to see what it's all about.
9:33 me, wanting one.
This was a fresh thing to see. From what you've shown of Enctec, I appreciate what they do and how they do it. I would LOVE to see an AM4 version. I love doing scratch builds and case mods, and these boards have the ideas rolling... It would be so much fun to get one of these and their coolers. I love the idea, and would love to see more about it in the future. Thanks for taking the time to put together some of these more "abstract" and "out of mainstream" videos
GN: Starts doing aircooler reviews again
Also GN: Finds the biggest aircooler on the market to review
Interested? yes, AM4 socketed please. I would build one of these no matter what the socket, but to have a daily use PC I would love to have one running a modern AM4 socketed CPU.
these kind of company won't do AM4, especially when most of AMD CPU have no Display out
@@AliciaCLR Oh no! How will I ever get display out if I'm not using an intel CPU, perhaps they could make some kind of card or something to fix this. 🤔
@@serras_ didn't you watch the video? the board is intended for Industrial development, and not even have PCIe 16x Slot
@@AliciaCLR I'm pretty sure he said basically the entire time that they're interested in breaking into the consumer market but idk maybe I'm just hearing things
@@AliciaCLR AMD makes many cpus with graphics on board.
Wow, as soon as they make one with socket AM4, I'll upgrade my mothers PC. She's rocking a 3400G that's pretty much at the brink of throttling all the time because her PC is completely passively cooled by a Mugen 5. She's a heavy smoker and I'm just too lazy to clean her PC six tines a year...
There are so many possibilities with double sided motherboards. The 2019 Mac Pro was a good example of this with the dimm slots on the back of the logic board in a super easy to access area.
I haven't seen Steve so excited in a while! Glad that you got some interesting stuff to review, finally! ^__^
I like how clean it looks, just some caps and conectors is like a render in real life
I love how the PCB is just the standard green. it looks so sparse and naked, its kinda refreshing.. im a bit done with all the flashy screen-printing and added stuff thats common these days that some marketing department is trying to remind us all how GAMER we are
Yes, everything being gamer/gaming is getting annoying.
If i could buy a high quality mainboard with a clear soldermask i'd do it, the Color of the FR4 would suit noctua fans quite well
Oh man! I would love to see this in an AM4 format so we could do a passively cooled router for the home.
But why? You will bet better results slapping this on the front of a normal motherboard?
@@Remsster more due to what you can do size wise. Connections for the modem tend to be I'm weird places or right where an entertainment system is in rentals so having something like this passively cooled in a small container would be amazing.
@@thedmpdModem?
I don't follow, what does a modem have anything to do with a modern PC. Unless you're talking about a cable internet modem, but I don't see how this design would affect how an Ethernet cable connects
You don't need a gaming CPU for a home router. I use an Odroid H2+ (the plus has 2*2,5 Gbps Eth), it's passively cooled, the Celeron J4115 uses like 6W tops under single core load (10W TDP for 4-core) and obviously never goes to 100% load routing just 1 Gbps. Way more sane than building a monstrosity that could run Crysis and using it as a router :)
@@startedtech Sorry Sam, I should have been more clear. The modem and router tend to be clustered together in a rental home since we don't have permission to go fishing in walls/do construction. Add in that your partner will kill you if you have visible cable runs all over the house, it is wisest then to place your DIY router close to your modem. So this cooler would be awesome in that you could have it in a fanless router built hidden in an entertainment stand without having to worry about noise levels for the fans.
I been wanting something like this for some time. It could make desktop PCs thinner, by using the panel on the CPU side as an aluminum heatsink as part of the case itself. Some pre-built PCs have done this before, but they have non-commercial custom board designs. The small form factor community would celebrate this.
Very cool! We get so inundated with what's popular it's quite refreshing to see something new, especially new approaches.
I'm pretty new to the PC game and have learned sooo much from this channel. Thanks Steve and everyone at GN
It’s a great idea. If they could grip onto this design and break into the high end market, they could be a pretty big thing in terms of motherboards!
until one of the big makers steals the design and slapps a bunch of wankery on it
@@_BangDroid_ "Look at all that free real estate for RGB!" - Corsair probably. :p
This certainly opens up the door to mounting the motherboard to a case that is the heatsink, seems really cool to me
@@juntapiezas They exist, but they involve screwing a whole bunch of (separate) heat pipes onto the cold plate yourself, then attaching the heat pipes to the case, all while putting thermal paste everywhere. With the CPU on the back, you can just mount the case-cooler together with the motherboard mounting, which makes things much simpler.
Really refreshing to see a company being this open about their products. Keep on the good work!
I thought about this so many times. It would simplify passive cooling cases so much. I thought it was so unlikely to ever happen that I never said anything about it anywhere. That's awesome.
this is actually a better idea than I thought when I first saw it
I'm surprised to see the fins oriented horizontally. I'd expect a passive heatsink to be oriented mostly vertical to try and benefit from convection airflow.
Or on its side, so that the heatsink is on top laying flat. That way air rises through the largest surface available of the cooler.
As a silence nerd this is very interesting.
If this was logistically viable I wouldn't mind trying it in my next build.
I love the fact they were honest with their heat video, so rare to see.
I like them.
The most silent pc is one that isn't inside the same room as you.
@@h2oaddict28 well sure, but using such a PC becomes a pain. Especially the wiring.
@@falxonPSN Cables can get expensive if you have a lot of them, but that's the only disadvantage. I wouldn't go back.
Imagine what SFF cases would benefit from this!
Very interesting, love the content
I normally don't comment but just wanted to say that this is so refreshing! Really enjoy the videos were you dig into something new - as in new ideas! Keep up the good work. :)
Would be interested to see this implemented as a HTPC or similar to one of the NUC's where it can be deployed for home office use.
This could make "console killers" a lot easier to put together and slim full ATX builds a reality for those who need full ATX. That prototype case gives me a few ideas for builds already.
Then decent AMD boards would be needed from them for APUs like the 5700g
This is a great innovation! Would be interested if made with AM4 socket.
It's weird they didn't go straight to AMD for the initial boards, since AMD has Intel by the balls in the performance per watt department.
@@DrKrFfXx000000000000 Because they come from an industrial space, and that's dominated by intel. Remember this is primarily and industrial board, and they're just shopping the idea around to see if it gets any traction
#1 hardware channel by far. That design is crazy cool. Can't wait to see new case designs for this. Quite innovative.
That's something I've always wondered about. Finally someone decided to take this approach.
Love this. I hate having the cpu cooler right in the middle of where I need to put stuff. Ah I can’t put in ram because of clearances...ah I can’t asses my ram because it’s behind the cpu cooler...ah I can’t mount a top case radiator because the cpu cooler is in the way. (I am looking forward to using AMD CPU’s into the future)
"we strapped a fan to it", don't lie steve we all know it's your hair dryer.
Y'know, making a hair dryer out of a very hot power hungry PC and high cfm fan sounds something ridiculous enough FOR LTT to do
@@startedtech "So WE'VE DONE IT!... with 6 computers running Crysis 3 on RTX 3080 for a total of 2500W...!"
Before years I had an imagine about let put the PCIe slots to the other side. And here it is the idea but in a different way. In some case it could be a very compact, space optimizated PC.
I love seeing exotic hardware designed to work around limitations of the current paradigm and standards. I would love to see more content like this
So nice to see a company honest enough to let the product speak for itself instead of the marketing dept. Love this video guys. I enjoy seeing what some companies are doing that sparks our desire to see solutions to problems or even inspire new products with simple solutions.
Not enough thermal paste. 6:45
This isn't the verge 😂
@@thealien_ali3382 Just wait, in 3 months your comment will be copyright striked. XD
This would be perfect for a personal web server/router that you can hide away with 0 noise. Im interested...
I mean, the water wouldn't be an issue if you just did a glycol mix. Use an automotive mix for the anti-corrosion additives, seal it if you are worried about pets/kids getting at it.
I actually love this concept. As a system builder myself, I have wondered about this. Its amazing to see it has been happening in a very custom aspect. I cannot wait for this to be an option for the every day consumer!!
Very interesting. Always cool to see something different, especially from a company that is so willing to be open about it. Would love to see more of this kind of content, in general.
I just picture Steve standing in front of a mirror before shooting this, "OK this company's name is shen- ahhh crap... OK this company's name is shenduuuu what whas it? OK this company's name is F IT WE'LL DO IT LIVE"
Fix it in post.
That's one hell of a noctua fan.
i have 4 of them on the side pannel of my case.. i've no idea what i was thinking tbh.
@@ricky_pigeon lol... you said it best, as I was reading your comment I was thinking what was he thinking lol.
love this consept... so cool getting CPU cooler on back side..
I really like to see this kind of different approach to a matter.
The potential of this format is insane! It can be game changing if they manage to bring this in a competitive price point.
This is a motherboard mullet. Business in the front, CPU in the back.
I'd love to have a passive cooled AM4 System with a Ryzen 4xxx for E-sports.
I love how giddy steve is at the beginning of the video. It's like he knows were about to love this shit. lol
@Daniel thomas we're not were or just type we are😜.
This is cool, no pun intended. Nice to see new approaches to old problems. I would definitely consider this if we ever have parts to buy.
ENCTEC... no words, gj mates.
Even though I most likely will not be using your boards I would like to support the way you operate as a company. Showing down sides, issues, and careful engineering steps is something quite refreshing. I really appreciate the way you've presented yourselves so far.
For reference and out of respect I would like you to note that I almost never comment on any videos whatsoever, however this content, transparency and effort has brought my attention enough for me to make at least a praise in the form of a comment.
Also, cannot forget the length Steve goes to in order to showcase value in the tech world!
I know you don't ever need anyone saying this, but man do we appreciate you...
Imagine a laptop with this. Whole underside can just be a huge heatsink.
That plus GPU
Lots of laptops have the CPU on the bottom.
i have wanted to do this for years.a desktop mother board for a laptop. laptops always seemed so under powered to me. if on battery time you can have a lower tdp limit. if plugged into your wall socket full power. having a huge heatsink that doesnt thermally limit you in 10 seconds.
So, the "unibody" MacBooks? :-P
Well not quite. Compare that macbook thin outercase aluminum slab to a proper heatsink with fins and heatpipes.