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I remember mom taking me and my younger sister to see this at the theater and we all had no idea it was rated R, realizing that rating pretty quick during that opening scene where the bug tears that reporter in half. Wouldn't be a Paul Verhoven movie without Micheal Ironside showing up with that gravely voice, chewing the scenery with every line.
For a movie made 25+ years ago, the visual effects have aged pretty damn well. The bugs look frighteningly real and the space scenes are just gorgeous. As a life-long sci-fi fan who has seen more than a few starships blown apart, the destruction of the Roger Young (crew blasted into space, torn in half with individual decks ablaze) is a really sweet piece of eye candy.
I feel that the Bugs didn't care about people. It wasn't until people started colonizing their planet that they turned hostile, and even then only defensively. It wasn't until the humans retaliated that it became a war.
Even in the klendathu scene, the bugs didn't attack until they were attacked first (The plasma bugs were just shooting their larvae into other planets, like the teacher said in the beginning) The humanity is the aggressor here, they function more like na mindless killing machine hivemind than the bugs
I was in middle school, my grandma didn't have a computer so she told me if I completed my homework Friday she'd take me to this movie. I don't think she ever really forgave me for this.
My dad never had a problem with me watching violent movies when I was young, so I saw this at an age where the satire and the subtle points of the plot went right over my head. To me, it was just a violent movie about alien bugs killing humans. I had seen "Alien" and "Aliens" already, and this just seemed to little me like a cheaper, cheesier version of "Aliens." I watched it just that once and never again. I skipped anything else with "Starship Troopers" in the title too. It wasn't until this year, when I watched a reaction to it, that I revisited it in any way, and saw the finer points behind the violence. It gave me a new appreciation for this movie, and I look forward to watching the full movie again myself when I get the chance. 👾
Glad you saw this movie as the brilliant satire that it is. "Entertainment Weekly" magazine didn't (among many others), thinking themselves clever for pointing out its blatantly fascistic elements and images. I consider it a happy-shiny version of "1984" with the populace being controlled not through overt oppression but by giving everyone the illusion of freedom while making them cheerful participants in their rigid servitude.
What is the rigid servitude? How is it an illusion of freedom? All the film shows is non citizens can't vote, but the only legislation it mentions as having a negative effect is citizenship makes it easier to get a birthing license. Citizens still need one. Paul didn't humanize the bugs and didn't show any evil actually happening.
@@yodieyuh The populace is fed a total lie about all aspects of their lives and are conditioned to believe it. Thus, they are subliminally controlled by the government while given the illusion of free will. The bugs in the story serve the same purpose as the common hated enemies in "1984", as in "Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil..." Winston Smith would be no less controlled in this environment, but he would have a nicer apartment and more chocolate and cigarettes.
Just like Robocop was a thinly veiled satire on consumerism and greedy corporations, this film centers on the dangers of an overtly militarized society and how it leads to fascism. If you analyse the subtexts of the film, the humans are NOT the good guys. At one moment, the movie makes a point of saying that the bugs started attacking the humans after the terrestrial ships invaded the space of the bugs home planet Klendathu. The humans seem to be always in a space soap opera (like the character of Denise Richards who has a constant smile on her face) and they appear more as stereotypes than real characters. But the most obvious giveaway of Verhoeven's condamnation of fascism (and he should know for he was a kid when the nazis invaded his country the nederlands), is toward the end of the film when the character of Neil Patrick Harris and his fellow officers of the military intelligence come to inspect the 'brain' bug. Their attires don't 'look like' nazi uniforms, they are exact replicas of the uniforms of the high ranking members of the gestapo.
In my opinion, he failed dismally at 'satire'. The protagonists - from the teacher/lieutenant to the drill sergeant to Diz and Rico - while cartoonish, evoke far too much sympathy for them to be perceived as fascist thugs, uniforms notwithstanding.
@@boristurovskiy351 Verhoeven actually talked about this. The movie is made from the point of view of the humans (specifically from the propaganda films perspective). The opening shot (with all the soldiers neatly aligned) was a conscious effort of Verhoeven to reproduce the nazi propaganda movie The Triumph of the Will. They're made to look perfect and be likable because it's shown from the human point of view but the overtly nazi signs and costumes as well as the clearly propagandist tones of the net moments (would you like to know more) make it clear that Verhoeven is implying that below the seemingly likable and perfect humans are people part of a fascist society.
snaps to the character design team for their wide variety of bug types. most monster movies give us a single creature bodyform. (probably a budget issue)
An important aspect of this film to me, is how it's not unlikely that the bugs could send the asteroid, it's impossible considering where they are and the path the asteroid supposedly travelled. I like to think the asteroid had nothing to do with the bugs and they just blamed them for a tragedy because it's easier to have a scapegoat.
When this came out many of us missed the point. It was so unusual- a high brow, space war action film. Before Gulf War 2 and Chris Nolan, but after Schwarzenegar.
I've luved this movie since it came out and seen it and all the special features tons, but you dropped a gem on me with that "doogie himmler " that's hilarious and wish i knew that back then : P also got me real good with the "no, the pain is in his arm" and "those arent nukes, theyre farts" so glad you liked the movie : D
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It made me laugh, but also a teensy bit sad when you said the lead actor needed a few more lessons. Unbeknownst to all of the leads, (they mostly came from the primetime teen tv drama world, like UPN type shows, and considered this their big screen break) the director picked them all for his satire because he wanted vapid airhead pretty people types for the satire. So the bad acting was actually the director's intention.
29:05 That general saying goes back farther than that. Not a proud moment in US history, but ... "The Story behind It: In January, 1869, General Sheridan held a conference with 50 Indian chiefs at Fort Cobb in the so-called Indian Territory (later part of Oklahoma). At that time, Sheridan, who had gained recognition as a Union officer in the Civil War, was in charge of the Dept. of the Missouri. One of his duties was to oversee the Indian Territory, making sure that the Indians remained on their reservations and did not harass the white settlers. When Comanche chief Toch-a-way was introduced to Sheridan at the conference, the Indian said, "Me Toch-a-way, me good Indian." Sheridan reportedly smirked and replied, "The only good Indians I ever saw were dead." Later on, the remark became "The only good Indian is a dead Indian.""
The 'only good...' quote has an earlier this-world origin -- an Army officer in the American West who said 'The only good Indian I ever saw was dead.' Variations of this circulated in the Old West and it is quoted in Laura Ingalls Wilder's 'LIttle House on the Prairie'.
I love the Battlefield tactical Nukes and that Tanker bug that breathes fire. Rico rides him like a Bucking bronco until He grenades his Ass. !!! Too good ! Oh and Aww Yeah !
Mortal wounds are wounds that result in death, not injury. Broken arms, impaled hands, and whipped backs are not mortal wounds, grievous injuries perhaps.
A while back, my mother got "Starship Troopers" and "Super Troopers" mixed up, which ended up making for a pretty confusing conversation... th-cam.com/video/EV6wkUIMrl8/w-d-xo.html
Shree you should really read Starship Troopers. The book is a far different animal than the movie. So much so that I really encourage you to read it to see the differences. The fact that Verhoeven didn't read the entire book is a crime. It was for a time on the junior officers reading list in the US military. Because it shows people leading from the front with their troops. Lt. Radchek never asks his people to do anything he isn't willing to do himself. Something he passes along to Rico. So many things that are changed just don't make any sense. Like why would modern militaries just ditch equipment that would have been effective on the battlefield for the last 100 years. Things like tanks, air cover, and artillery. In the book the mobile infantry was mecha suits. The bugs wanted pilots brains because they didn't know where Earth was. Pilots were the only people who had the knowledge to point them in the right direction. The battles actually happened on a number of planets. The book never goes into how the bugs are traveling from planetary system to planetary system. The book also doesn't really go into who pushed into who's territory to kick the war off. Another thing that is different is public service. The movie makes it seem like it's all about military recrutement, it's not. You took a test to see where you would do well if you didn't have a preference that your grades backed up. In the book Carmen wanted to be a pilot and her grades backed it up. Rico wanted to be a pilot but with poor grades got shunted to Mobile Infantry. Public service jobs included police, fire depts, working in power plants, infrastructure jobs, street cleaners, etc all public service jobs that once your allotted time is up granted you citizenship.
I for once don't recommended you Shree to read the book, it's an boring political manifesto from the author disguised as an science fiction novel, everything good in the movie isn't present in the novel, the narrative has no stakes and is there just because it needs one, the book is basically long descriptions of armament and suits and then a long political manifesto that borders on fascism and ultra militarism, coming from an author who dodged service and basically wants *YOU* to go through the intense military training When he had the chance to go and fight the Nazis, he didn't He loves the looks and strength of the Military, but he doesn't like the actual process of going through one, seeing how in his utopia hot showers and nice breakfasts would be something everyone would get It isn't worth it Is boring Is fascistic Is as much of an narrative as Atlas shrugged
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 The author of the novel did not dodge military service but rather suffered from an illness that caused his discharge from the army
@@marius4390 and then he got better because it wasn't an life long disease, and when actual combat and doing your part for the country became a thing he didn't enlisted again even tho it was an possibility
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 Speaking as someone who received a medical discharge, once you're out you're not getting back in. Even in times of conscription or draft you're an automatic pass. Military isn't going to take the chance of wasting time, money, and training on someone who's more than half likely to end up unable to serve. So check your attitude and your ignorance and go sit down.
I’ve always said that, while Verhoeven did an amazing job with this movie, the one mistake he made and the thing he could have changed to really drive the point to the audience and to critics that this was NOT an endorsement of fascism but a satire was that the ending should have been changed so that at least the main hero, Rico (of not all the young heroes), should have turned against the military or at the very least shown remorse that he got taken in by hate against the bugs. Instead of that, The last time we see Rico, he is screaming a war cry and encouraging everyone to kill without mercy; he is endorsing and promoting the fascist/military indoctrination he went through. If instead Rico would have, say: discovered that the original human colony of Mormons, in the news flash, had NOT been told by the authorities that their settlement plans were dangerous and that they were lied to in order to provoke the bugs to attack Earth (creating a false flag situation), Rico could have express disgust with the fascist authorities, offering a judgement that the audience could have easily identified and empathize with. So even if Rico didn’t quit the military, they could have hinted that he had opened his eye and seen that the bugs, while violent enemies, were made into enemies by the fascist humans. That way, I think, the message would have been clearer, instead of ending the movie with a propaganda piece that glorified the actions and goals of the fascist military. (No matter how funny those propaganda ads were) Nevertheless, that does not erase the amazing work Verhoeven did with this movie, nor change that it absolutely is a great warning to the world; a warning hat came just before 9/11 but yet that most people did not heed when the time came. Hopefully, now that fascism is making a return in many places around the world, people will be more attentive and will steer us clear of such a disastrous future!!
Perhaps the greatest thing about Verhoeven's films is also unfortunately a drawback. He is so good at tapping into the nationalism, jingoism, tribalism of the audience that large numbers of people never recognize the message at all. This film ends in a way completely consistent with the vision of the world he created, but you're right that it does nothing to get the audience to question the narrative. It reinforces it. I love that, and hate it at the same time. I wish people would be able to recognize the monster taking shape before their eyes, but everything I've seen leads me to believe they are far too eager to see the 'other' as the monster instead.
Bro, it's obvious is an satire The fact that Rico becomes an mindless killing machine for the military is part of the satire and the point If you end the movie thinking the federation is right, it proves you can easily fall for propaganda
True, also I wish they gave us a personal look into the bug's lives, introducing us to their lifestyles, cultures, and make us see the attack from their perspective as well.
I did like the fact that HOLLOW MAN got way from the level of propaganda seen in Verhoeven's American catalogue *it being his last film, made in the States) BUT it was NO less good for having more in common with BASIC INSTINCT as a mystery thriller, and HOLLOW MAN was a great film to go out on.
The book that inspired this movie is also called Starship Troopers. The book is very serious and is more a treatise on leadership and duty. In the book the Earth is ruled by a military junta. In order to vote in this society, you must enter into military service.😊 For a time the book was on the required reading list at one of America’s military academies.
no smell from dissecting animals. well, there is a smell, but it's from the chemicals they use to sterilize and preserve them. but those prevent the animal from decaying
To understand the Bugs in this movie, I recommend Roanoke Gaming. He’s an actual biologist who breaks down many movies with viruses, fungus’s, aliens. He even did this movie and the biology of these arachnids. Definitely check it out.
The creatures simply don't want invading humans on their planet, one of the films flaws is that they could have gotten into that more it is implied that human kind want to...colonise Klendafu, by the fact that Buenasauris Argentina is the new California, as "Latin America" is colonised now itself, by the master race. the same point was made far more clearly in Cameron's AVATAR film a metaphor for land rights issues and tribal life.
Most people don't recognize Rue McClanahan, from The Golden Girls, as the blind teacher supervising the bug dissection. Clancy Brown, who plays drill sergeant Zim, is also the guard captain in The Shawshank Redemption. Dina Meyer (Dizzy) appeared in Dragonheart 1, the first three Saw movies, Johnny Mnemonic (with Keanu Reeves), and was Barbara Gordon/Oracle nee Batgirl in the TV series Birds of Prey. I never was a huge fan of Robert Heinlein's books; unlike a friend of mine I used to swap books with. He thought Heinlein was the shit. Personally, I think he liked all the sex in Heinlein's later material. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against sex, but if he had edited out just half of the boinking and sexual references in The Number of the Beast it would be a hundred pages shorter. And besides, Philip Jose Farmer wrote much better sex scenes. In my opinion, the movie was much better than the book, and I'm so glad you got Verhoeven's satire. As for Total Recall, I always laugh at the scene where the receptionist is doing her nails. In the novella by Philip K. Dick, We Can Remember It For You Wholesale, her bare breasts are a different color on each visit to Rekal by our hero, Douglas Quall. There were several. Heinlein wasn't a bad writer. He won many awards for his works, and he, along with Isaac Asimov' and Arthur C. Clarke were known as The Big Three of science fiction. His philosophies, some ultra-conservative some ultra-liberal, have no doubt kept many of his books from the silver screen. Again, this is just my opinion and personal taste. Of The Big Three, Clarke was my favorite. I like Asimov's robot stories, but most of his other works put me to sleep. Well, I've probably said enough or maybe too much, so bye for now and good viewing.
I still can't believe that critics saw a movie about a military stratocracy and didn't immediately think it was satire. Once the movie started with a propaganda ad it should have been made extremely obvious.
The actor playing the teacher, Michael Ironside, had a rather memorable role as the owner of an evil taxi company in the A-team episode "The Taxicab Wars" th-cam.com/video/g_v8JPqy0Eo/w-d-xo.html
This is a SciFi version of a 1940 WWII propaganda movie. They were from every studio in Hollywood, including Looney Toons, Tom and Jerry (Yankee Doodle Mouse) and DC comics.
To start off, this movie shows what could of happened if nazi germany had won WW2. As for the asteroid scene I have trouble with why they waited so long to fire the trusters, if they had dne it as soon as the captain told them to evade no part of the ship would of been hit. I know it was for dramtic affect and to remove the ship's ability to warn earth. But the killing of shipmates does not make them "one hell of a flight crew".
45:47 “Which one’s Will?!?” 😂 Sorry, but aside all the good film/literary criticism I could throw at this re 1990s VFX, practical vs CGI, or the nature of “Citizenship” and what various sources of propaganda might control it in this universe, I still break up over a good one-liner. See also “Wilhelm Reflex.”
You want to see the real life version of this story. Check out Oliver Stone’s “Born on the Fourth of July” Starring Tom Cruise in his greatest performance.
The issue of boys and girls sharing a locker room together should be the norm, especially for a service where they will be sharing all kinds of situations. On the other hand, that such nudity is seen as normal would detract from the following joke about showing one's ass during a colleague's private conference. It's clear that they should use a larger caliber ammunition to fight the bugs, or even ray guns, and make more use of aircrafts that fire and bomb
Lol what's hilarious is the kids with guns scene. You were horrified. Yet, my mom made sure I knew how to handle all manner of rifles, shotguns,pistols, and fully automatic weapons by the time I was 11. In 36 years since I have never had to shoot anyone or harm a person with firearms. Punch them? Yes. It's all about the person, not the weapon.
Having grown up in the US in a military family, ( Mom, Dad, Uncles, Grandfather's, cousins, distant relatives) I think some of your perceptions of the military are a little bit off. People in the military for the most part aren't psychotic, they are actually put through mental evaluations to make sure they are stable. Yes US Marines are still sketchy, I can say this many of them are my friends. The US has an all volunteer military. People join for a number of reasons. Family service legacy, money, schooling, travel, benefits after you serve like government loans for a house, collage. Medical benefits etc. I would have gone in the US Navy had my knees not been so bad I couldn't do the running in basic. I could have come out with skills, a pension with medical if I stayed in the 20 years like my Dad. In my Father's case this is what the military did for him. He was in 23 years. Sailed all over the world and visited many countries. They trained him as a corpsman (medic). By the end of his time he was trained as an advanced medic. He came out with a pension and medical benefits. His training was sufficient enough that after a year at college he was a licensed Physician's Assistant at 45 years old. He paid nothing for his schooling. You have to remember the military has a multitude of jobs (at least in the US) not all of them are combat troops. There are lawyer, mechanics, cooks, engineers, dentists, Drs, administrators etc. The smart recruits make the military work for them as much as the military makes you work for it.
I'm so happy that you got to watch this movie and see throu it's action-packed cover! :D When I first saw Starship Troopers as a teenager I was completely clueless of what I'm looking at. Space marines shooting alien bugs - just one of many Aliens (1986) rip-offs (and not the best one at it), that's all it was for me back then. I was very unsatisfied with the movie and rated it poorly for a long time (kinda like those critics you mentioned). How blind I was. After rewatching it and seeing it from different point of view (more mature perhaps?) it became one of my favourites and I will gladly keep recommending it to anyone.
I watched this movie when it came out on the 90s, and I thought it was silly; didn't get the satire. Then I saw it in the 2000s, after the iraq invasion, color-coded t*rr*r warning charts and freedom fries, and suddenly understood the satirical genius.
When I went to collage a dude in my dorm rode a IFV (military vihicle) they went over a bump and the dude right across him got half a magazine of bullets right in his face. Died instantly. So those things happend. They have tightened up safety quite a.lot since. But this was right at the time this movie was made and that wasn't even that uncommon.
Shree would you like to know more? ➡️ 😆 Check out Total Recall if you wanna see more of Vernhoven's funny, violent Sci-fi Action movies. It's also a Arnold Schwarzenegger movie and you can go wrong with his movies. He was the action king of the 80's and 90's.
This movie is the ultimate satire. It's based on the controversial 1959 novel of the same name. When Paul Verhoeven read the book, he stopped at 2 chapters, finding the book very depressing, as it took itself was too serious. When the film was released in 1997, it recieved negative Reviews by Critics as they thought it glorified Nazism, Racism, Authoritarianism and Communism. It did receive an Oscar nomination for Best Visual Effects but lost to TITANIC. It made $122 million dollars against a $100 million dollar budget. It's gained a cult following overtime.
Once again you take me back to my childhood perfect reaction to this movie. You are correct on the bugs at 46:42 facts on Dizzy at 7:2513:3113:5814:3149:10 she should not have died. Great catch at 51:17 on the uniforms that is exactly what I was thinking.
At seven minutes and fifty nine seconds you kill me with the line Too bad civilian!! Your awesome Love the channel Love the content Keep up the good work
Verhoeven completely missed the mark on the underlying message of the novel(not surprising as he didnt even read it), but despite that, he made a quite enjoyable sci-fi action flick. Both give a totally different message. The novel is a serious work with a focus on civic virtue, responsibility and duty, while the film satirically attempts to show the dangers of unchecked militarism.
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 i think i already know the answer to this question but i'll ask it anyway so we're clear on where each of us stand when making our arguments. Have you read the book?
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009Oh ok, I was sure you didnt read it cause you completely said the opposite of what the novel portrayed. Ok, so which part exactly does it show how the novel is militaristic and fascistic? Then i'll point to you how its actually a republic and non-militaristic. If you dont respond i'll assume, correctly once again that you actually didnt read the book and like alot of people who spew out Verhoeven's ignorant opinion just throw out theirs without knowing what they're actually talking about.
@@stuka80 the whole book, the premise is that you can only vote after military service You can only be an politician after military service This is an dictatorship
TRIVIA: The girl who accidently shot the cadet in the head killing him during training--- the two actors are married in real life. Hahaha--- NEVER PISS OFF THE WIFE!
Talking about drill instructor Zim being to extra. Obviously you never even seen a video of actual soldiers in boot camp. Suffice to say, the actor pretty much nailed it.
I think the 2nd movie is worth a react, much lower budget and no returning cast, but they do keep paul's satirical spirit of being a commentary of a fascist military dystopia. I'd even enjoy seeing you react to the cgi animated sequels. They have none of the satire at all, but Casper does return as the voice of Rico in them, and just plays them as shlocky alien monster invasion movies, which can be fun while drinking (that's how I enjoyed them atleast)
It was obvious to me that this was political/military satire in a way similar to...Dr. STRANGELOVE or even THE PRODUCERS, humour is the point as much as social comment i'd say propaganda & naive arrogance are the points of the film, its also pretty obvious this is a comment on the real life golf wars, what with the terrain being desert and all (this may have damaged the films popularity even, because of it's timing)
As much as I love Starship Troopers the movie, Paul Verhoeven really did attack a strawman of Robert Heinlein's book. In the original, the state is doing everything they can to DISCOURAGE people from joining the military. And you can become a citizen if you join the military OR any other service organization. His society is also not a dictatorship - the idea is that you need to earn your vote. If you go through service you earn that vote. Also, from the military point of view one of the things they really nerfed in the movie was the weapons. In the book, the grunts go into battle in a sort of personal battleship called a power suit. They are shot out of orbit from capital ships (as shown in the film) in capsules that skim the atmosphere and provide chaff to protect from enemy fire, and they eject above the atmosphere where they basically can have the suit fly to a landing (think iron man times 50). They carry all types of ordinance on board, but especially mini-nukes which they can 'throw' at targets miles away. There are only a few of them, but there don't need to be that many. They are basically gods with guns, and they pretty much obliterate everything they see, jumping from place to place using their power suits and able to control them with the suit mimicing their actions. The training scenes are brutal but not nearly as brutal as shown in the film, and of course in Heinlein's mind the world is peaceful and prosperous, with a social safety net for all but capitalism providing the underlying driver of wealth. Now I've got mixed feelings about the picture that Heinlein paints. On the one hand, I'd like to believe that making service a prereq would lead to what he shows, but on the other, I think that the US primary system is a lot like Heinlein's politics, and look how that is turning out. The limiting of votes to a small subset of the public (because only a small subset of the public ever gets to primaries) just leads to the most radical, unreasonable, and fanatic of the public voting, and I think that if we followed starship troopers to a tee, we'd probably get something like hyper-partisanship. But again Verhoeven is definitely strawmanning Heinlein here.
Verhoeven is making fun of the value implications of early Heinlein's politics more than his literal policy ideas. Heinlein never saw a day of combat but wrote the kind of militarist pied piper fiction that appealed to sheltered suburban preteens in the years between Korea and Vietnam. The pompous rear-guard bloviating is easy to see for what it is, and tough to take for anyone who knows even a little better.
@@dudermcdudeface3674 well right.. but he did serve in the navy and the only reason he left the service is because he had tuberculosis. And his brother went on to be a general in the national guard. So I think he had a little more skin in the game than you imply. As for the 'militarist pied piper' label, it really isn't all that militarist. If you read it, he is more echoing the sentiment of the day about the perils the world faced (nazis, communists). I agree that it is a bit ham-fisted but they *were* a real threat (hell, fascism is a threat even today) and if anything they are screeds about the importance of critical thinking than anything else. His emphasis on violence solving social and cultural problems is very much in error but he does a good job of making the argument. In any case, in order to satirize something you have to actually - you know - address the mindset of the material you are satirizing. And Starship Troopers is great satire - just not great satire about *Heinlein*.
@@gregmattson2238 I've read quite a few Heinlein books, including ST. He has a lot of opinions that don't jibe well with either reality or his own publicly-known life experiences, and just screams "wannabe." Most of his books before Stranger in a Strange Land are like that. I'm not saying it was his fault he never saw combat, but it was his fault that he didn't have the humility to realize he was lucky (apart from the tuberculosis). At least until later books where he became more introspective. Those books were the softer '50s versions of the "Would You Like to Know More?" ads in the movie. Quite a few young men were inspired enough by books like that to join the military and fight in Vietnam. Needless to say, their opinions of Heinlein's military fiction tended to be different after the war. Some dismissive, but plenty actively hostile.
His society is not an dictatorship because Heilen says so, is the author's vision of an utopia, wich for anyone with 2 braincells is an nightmare asking to collapse in on itself and have the most corrupt government ever Specially when that's the author's manifesto of how an society needs to be
@@gregmattson2238 yeah, tuberculosis, he got better, and when given the chance to go back and actually see combat and "do his part", well, he didn't do it He wants you to go through it, not him
Shree, your intro music was so loud and distracting that I couldn't focus on what you were saying. Really looking forward to this reaction. You are awesome!
Hi, Shree! The book this film was based on was an obvious parody of wartime propaganda. Much like "Mein Kampf" and The Hitler Youth Corps, this story presented the concept of becoming part of a war focused military as being a pleasurable, and even an admirable, thing. Yet, when we see these kids are under fire, we see how meaningless all the rah rah bravado really is.
He needed to show bad things. If you wear a nazi-like outfit but the worst things you do is make a ferret run up a leg and run a science/psych division that works with bugs, you're just a psychic entomologist. If the bugs were humanized it would be different. You've killed bugs before, Silas.
@@yodieyuh Bad things like military dictatorship, schools that condemn democracy, public executions, public torture, the implication of false-flag attacks on their own people, genocide, propaganda...?
"And nobody has any problem with it!" Zim's use of excessive violence curbs threats to his authority after the first session, and no one asks any more questions after knife training 😬 It's yet more fascist conditioning the 'citizens' must go through. If you notice - medics are always on hand ("Medic!"), so this kind of response is not only expected, but likely encouraged...
When this came out I read the review for it in the newspaper (a very old sentence). The reviewer knew the film was Satire, and I knew it was going into the film. I thought it was great, being a teenager and all. Diz is #1 girl in my book. There are sequels to this film which are not very good. There is also and Anime made in the 1980s based on the book.
Namaste🙏. I saw this movie when it first came out and thought it was a mediocre film at best. I have not watched it in any media form since. I do watch your channel and always leave a thumbs up but I don’t always comment; so when this popped up on my notification board I was intrigued. How would you react to a movie I thought mediocre? You did not disappoint! The insight you gave in the review portion jumped started some nullified neurons in my tired brain so now I must revisit this movie to see what else I may have missed. Thank you for the inspiration.
I must have watched the movie over five times in theaters back when it had just come out. It was quite shocking to realize that others, leaving the theater, were complaining about how the movie was a bad adaptation of the book, not getting at all that this was a fascist satire. No wonder people fall for fascism in real life if this two hour joke goes straight over their heads. This was all before 9/11 and yet so prescient of what the future would bring. There are an awful lot of people who can look at political B.S. and not recognize it for what it is.
I have to thank you, for having one of the most decent human reactions to this film I've ever seen. Most people don't even realize it's satire, much less that the people they're cheering for are flat-out fascists. They show the Milky Way galaxy, pinpoint Earth and Klendathu. They are like 50K light years apart. It would take 50K years for the meteor to get to Earth, if it were moving at the speed of light, which it isn't. There's no way the narrative of the bug attack on Earth is correct. It's the constant need of fascism to have an enemy to fight, that's it. On top of that, every character in this film is morally reprehensible, and somehow Verhoeven leans into our own propagandized perceptions so skillfully, that many people don't even notice that they're identifying with a bunch of Nazis.
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I met casper van dien in kerry a few years ago.
Guy was insanely nice and down to earth. The complete opposite of "never meet your hero"
That's good :)
So jealous 😫 😁👍
Now there's Total Recall (the good one with Arnold) to complete the Verhoeven trifecta.
Coming soon ;)
Not to mention Arnie at his most Schwarzeneggerist in that movie, his best one liners and "aaaaaaaaaargh's", brought his A game
@@nedzed3663 Oh, for sure. All the "GYAAGH" noises you'd ever want.
Also, more Michael Ironside awesomeness👍.
@Dystopia1111 I believe he was contractually obligated to show up in every gory 80's and 90's era sci fi action movie
I remember mom taking me and my younger sister to see this at the theater and we all had no idea it was rated R, realizing that rating pretty quick during that opening scene where the bug tears that reporter in half. Wouldn't be a Paul Verhoven movie without Micheal Ironside showing up with that gravely voice, chewing the scenery with every line.
He's only in 2 PV films
@@orangewarm1 True, but they aren't the only films of that era he showed up and chewed every scene he was in with that gravely voice in
For a movie made 25+ years ago, the visual effects have aged pretty damn well. The bugs look frighteningly real and the space scenes are just gorgeous. As a life-long sci-fi fan who has seen more than a few starships blown apart, the destruction of the Roger Young (crew blasted into space, torn in half with individual decks ablaze) is a really sweet piece of eye candy.
This movie looks way better than anything being made today!
I feel that the Bugs didn't care about people. It wasn't until people started colonizing their planet that they turned hostile, and even then only defensively. It wasn't until the humans retaliated that it became a war.
Even in the klendathu scene, the bugs didn't attack until they were attacked first
(The plasma bugs were just shooting their larvae into other planets, like the teacher said in the beginning)
The humanity is the aggressor here, they function more like na mindless killing machine hivemind than the bugs
Nah, the bugs started it. Don't forget that part. They are just like the humans in thier expansion.
I was in middle school, my grandma didn't have a computer so she told me if I completed my homework Friday she'd take me to this movie. I don't think she ever really forgave me for this.
Hahaha
My dad never had a problem with me watching violent movies when I was young, so I saw this at an age where the satire and the subtle points of the plot went right over my head. To me, it was just a violent movie about alien bugs killing humans. I had seen "Alien" and "Aliens" already, and this just seemed to little me like a cheaper, cheesier version of "Aliens." I watched it just that once and never again. I skipped anything else with "Starship Troopers" in the title too. It wasn't until this year, when I watched a reaction to it, that I revisited it in any way, and saw the finer points behind the violence. It gave me a new appreciation for this movie, and I look forward to watching the full movie again myself when I get the chance. 👾
Glad you saw this movie as the brilliant satire that it is. "Entertainment Weekly" magazine didn't (among many others), thinking themselves clever for pointing out its blatantly fascistic elements and images. I consider it a happy-shiny version of "1984" with the populace being controlled not through overt oppression but by giving everyone the illusion of freedom while making them cheerful participants in their rigid servitude.
What is the rigid servitude? How is it an illusion of freedom?
All the film shows is non citizens can't vote, but the only legislation it mentions as having a negative effect is citizenship makes it easier to get a birthing license. Citizens still need one.
Paul didn't humanize the bugs and didn't show any evil actually happening.
@@yodieyuh The populace is fed a total lie about all aspects of their lives and are conditioned to believe it. Thus, they are subliminally controlled by the government while given the illusion of free will. The bugs in the story serve the same purpose as the common hated enemies in "1984", as in "Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil..." Winston Smith would be no less controlled in this environment, but he would have a nicer apartment and more chocolate and cigarettes.
Tell me you never read the book without saying you never read the book.
@@valashar5313Heinlein and Verhoeven are expressing opposite world views with the material.
Just like Robocop was a thinly veiled satire on consumerism and greedy corporations, this film centers on the dangers of an overtly militarized society and how it leads to fascism.
If you analyse the subtexts of the film, the humans are NOT the good guys.
At one moment, the movie makes a point of saying that the bugs started attacking the humans after the terrestrial ships invaded the space of the bugs home planet Klendathu.
The humans seem to be always in a space soap opera (like the character of Denise Richards who has a constant smile on her face) and they appear more as stereotypes than real characters.
But the most obvious giveaway of Verhoeven's condamnation of fascism (and he should know for he was a kid when the nazis invaded his country the nederlands), is toward the end of the film when the character of Neil Patrick Harris and his fellow officers of the military intelligence come to inspect the 'brain' bug.
Their attires don't 'look like' nazi uniforms, they are exact replicas of the uniforms of the high ranking members of the gestapo.
Agreed 100%
In my opinion, he failed dismally at 'satire'. The protagonists - from the teacher/lieutenant to the drill sergeant to Diz and Rico - while cartoonish, evoke far too much sympathy for them to be perceived as fascist thugs, uniforms notwithstanding.
@@boristurovskiy351 That's part of the satire. If it was too obvious, it would defeat the purpose. It would no longer be satire.
@@rikuruohomaki3230 Satire that is so thickly veiled that you take it at face value isn't good satire, either.
@@boristurovskiy351
Verhoeven actually talked about this.
The movie is made from the point of view of the humans (specifically from the propaganda films perspective).
The opening shot (with all the soldiers neatly aligned) was a conscious effort of Verhoeven to reproduce the nazi propaganda movie The Triumph of the Will.
They're made to look perfect and be likable because it's shown from the human point of view but the overtly nazi signs and costumes as well as the clearly propagandist tones of the net moments (would you like to know more) make it clear that Verhoeven is implying that below the seemingly likable and perfect humans are people part of a fascist society.
snaps to the character design team for their wide variety of bug types. most monster movies give us a single creature bodyform. (probably a budget issue)
hey, the most advanced country in the MCU has death matches for determining head of state and government. This is quite civilized!
An important aspect of this film to me, is how it's not unlikely that the bugs could send the asteroid, it's impossible considering where they are and the path the asteroid supposedly travelled. I like to think the asteroid had nothing to do with the bugs and they just blamed them for a tragedy because it's easier to have a scapegoat.
I agree
When this came out many of us missed the point. It was so unusual- a high brow, space war action film. Before Gulf War 2 and Chris Nolan, but after Schwarzenegar.
The year I watched this I effectively retired (only 17)
Nuff said ✌️
I've luved this movie since it came out and seen it and all the special features tons, but you dropped a gem on me with that "doogie himmler " that's hilarious and wish i knew that back then : P also got me real good with the "no, the pain is in his arm" and "those arent nukes, theyre farts" so glad you liked the movie : D
Glad you enjoyed, thanks for watching 🥰
For 1997 the cgi was actually pretty good, almost as good for 2023... almost. 😃
The more I watch movies like this and Jurassic Park, the more I realize cgi in the past really wasn’t as bad as I thought
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House of Leaves and Watchmen on the bookshelf - and really appreciating the satirical dimension of Verhoeven's work? You get a like!
Thank you 🥰
It made me laugh, but also a teensy bit sad when you said the lead actor needed a few more lessons. Unbeknownst to all of the leads, (they mostly came from the primetime teen tv drama world, like UPN type shows, and considered this their big screen break) the director picked them all for his satire because he wanted vapid airhead pretty people types for the satire. So the bad acting was actually the director's intention.
Shout out to Wyoming for providing the bug planet landscapes!
29:05 That general saying goes back farther than that. Not a proud moment in US history, but ...
"The Story behind It: In January, 1869, General Sheridan held a conference with 50 Indian chiefs at Fort Cobb in the so-called Indian Territory (later part of Oklahoma). At that time, Sheridan, who had gained recognition as a Union officer in the Civil War, was in charge of the Dept. of the Missouri. One of his duties was to oversee the Indian Territory, making sure that the Indians remained on their reservations and did not harass the white settlers. When Comanche chief Toch-a-way was introduced to Sheridan at the conference, the Indian said, "Me Toch-a-way, me good Indian." Sheridan reportedly smirked and replied, "The only good Indians I ever saw were dead." Later on, the remark became "The only good Indian is a dead Indian.""
Face-Time has been around since the 1960’s. So has the Smart Doorbell camera.
The 'only good...' quote has an earlier this-world origin -- an Army officer in the American West who said 'The only good Indian I ever saw was dead.'
Variations of this circulated in the Old West and it is quoted in Laura Ingalls Wilder's 'LIttle House on the Prairie'.
I love the Battlefield tactical Nukes and that Tanker bug that breathes fire. Rico rides him like a Bucking bronco until He grenades his Ass. !!! Too good ! Oh and Aww Yeah !
Mortal wounds are wounds that result in death, not injury. Broken arms, impaled hands, and whipped backs are not mortal wounds, grievous injuries perhaps.
A while back, my mother got "Starship Troopers" and "Super Troopers" mixed up, which ended up making for a pretty confusing conversation... th-cam.com/video/EV6wkUIMrl8/w-d-xo.html
Hahaha
What did the bugs get by sending the asteroid to crash on earth? Nothing! But the human military got a lot of support for the war...
We tracked it from Klendathu to Sol with no hint of false flags in real time from a ship one of our protagonists was piloting.
Only good bug is a dead bug🤣💀Accurate
27:23 Mobile Infantry is the Marines. Fleet is the Navy. Sailors and Marines never get along well even though they are all part of the same military.
Shree you should really read Starship Troopers. The book is a far different animal than the movie.
So much so that I really encourage you to read it to see the differences.
The fact that Verhoeven didn't read the entire book is a crime. It was for a time on the junior officers reading list in the US military. Because it shows people leading from the front with their troops.
Lt. Radchek never asks his people to do anything he isn't willing to do himself. Something he passes along to Rico.
So many things that are changed just don't make any sense. Like why would modern militaries just ditch equipment that would have been effective on the battlefield for the last 100 years. Things like tanks, air cover, and artillery. In the book the mobile infantry was mecha suits.
The bugs wanted pilots brains because they didn't know where Earth was. Pilots were the only people who had the knowledge to point them in the right direction.
The battles actually happened on a number of planets. The book never goes into how the bugs are traveling from planetary system to planetary system. The book also doesn't really go into who pushed into who's territory to kick the war off.
Another thing that is different is public service. The movie makes it seem like it's all about military recrutement, it's not. You took a test to see where you would do well if you didn't have a preference that your grades backed up. In the book Carmen wanted to be a pilot and her grades backed it up. Rico wanted to be a pilot but with poor grades got shunted to Mobile Infantry.
Public service jobs included police, fire depts, working in power plants, infrastructure jobs, street cleaners, etc all public service jobs that once your allotted time is up granted you citizenship.
I for once don't recommended you Shree to read the book, it's an boring political manifesto from the author disguised as an science fiction novel, everything good in the movie isn't present in the novel, the narrative has no stakes and is there just because it needs one, the book is basically long descriptions of armament and suits and then a long political manifesto that borders on fascism and ultra militarism, coming from an author who dodged service and basically wants *YOU* to go through the intense military training
When he had the chance to go and fight the Nazis, he didn't
He loves the looks and strength of the Military, but he doesn't like the actual process of going through one, seeing how in his utopia hot showers and nice breakfasts would be something everyone would get
It isn't worth it
Is boring
Is fascistic
Is as much of an narrative as Atlas shrugged
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 The author of the novel did not dodge military service but rather suffered from an illness that caused his discharge from the army
@@marius4390 and then he got better because it wasn't an life long disease, and when actual combat and doing your part for the country became a thing he didn't enlisted again even tho it was an possibility
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 Speaking as someone who received a medical discharge, once you're out you're not getting back in. Even in times of conscription or draft you're an automatic pass. Military isn't going to take the chance of wasting time, money, and training on someone who's more than half likely to end up unable to serve.
So check your attitude and your ignorance and go sit down.
I’ve always said that, while Verhoeven did an amazing job with this movie, the one mistake he made and the thing he could have changed to really drive the point to the audience and to critics that this was NOT an endorsement of fascism but a satire was that the ending should have been changed so that at least the main hero, Rico (of not all the young heroes), should have turned against the military or at the very least shown remorse that he got taken in by hate against the bugs.
Instead of that, The last time we see Rico, he is screaming a war cry and encouraging everyone to kill without mercy; he is endorsing and promoting the fascist/military indoctrination he went through.
If instead Rico would have, say: discovered that the original human colony of Mormons, in the news flash, had NOT been told by the authorities that their settlement plans were dangerous and that they were lied to in order to provoke the bugs to attack Earth (creating a false flag situation), Rico could have express disgust with the fascist authorities, offering a judgement that the audience could have easily identified and empathize with. So even if Rico didn’t quit the military, they could have hinted that he had opened his eye and seen that the bugs, while violent enemies, were made into enemies by the fascist humans. That way, I think, the message would have been clearer, instead of ending the movie with a propaganda piece that glorified the actions and goals of the fascist military. (No matter how funny those propaganda ads were)
Nevertheless, that does not erase the amazing work Verhoeven did with this movie, nor change that it absolutely is a great warning to the world; a warning hat came just before 9/11 but yet that most people did not heed when the time came. Hopefully, now that fascism is making a return in many places around the world, people will be more attentive and will steer us clear of such a disastrous future!!
Perhaps the greatest thing about Verhoeven's films is also unfortunately a drawback. He is so good at tapping into the nationalism, jingoism, tribalism of the audience that large numbers of people never recognize the message at all. This film ends in a way completely consistent with the vision of the world he created, but you're right that it does nothing to get the audience to question the narrative. It reinforces it. I love that, and hate it at the same time. I wish people would be able to recognize the monster taking shape before their eyes, but everything I've seen leads me to believe they are far too eager to see the 'other' as the monster instead.
Bro, it's obvious is an satire
The fact that Rico becomes an mindless killing machine for the military is part of the satire and the point
If you end the movie thinking the federation is right, it proves you can easily fall for propaganda
True, also I wish they gave us a personal look into the bug's lives, introducing us to their lifestyles, cultures, and make us see the attack from their perspective as well.
I did like the fact that HOLLOW MAN got way from the level of propaganda seen in Verhoeven's American catalogue *it being his last film, made in the States)
BUT it was NO less good for having more in common with BASIC INSTINCT as a mystery thriller, and HOLLOW MAN was a great film to go out on.
The book that inspired this movie is also called Starship Troopers. The book is very serious and is more a treatise on leadership and duty. In the book the Earth is ruled by a military junta. In order to vote in this society, you must enter into military service.😊
For a time the book was on the required reading list at one of America’s military academies.
no smell from dissecting animals. well, there is a smell, but it's from the chemicals they use to sterilize and preserve them. but those prevent the animal from decaying
20:32 Mortal injuries will end your life. All of the injuries during boot camp (except the accidental headshot) are simply grievous.
"These aren't nukes...they're FARTS!!" LOLOL
Did you notice about that execution, the guy was captured in the morning, tried in the afternoon and scheduled to die in the evening.
To understand the Bugs in this movie, I recommend Roanoke Gaming. He’s an actual biologist who breaks down many movies with viruses, fungus’s, aliens. He even did this movie and the biology of these arachnids. Definitely check it out.
Interesting, thank you! 😍
Carmen is the worst thing ever.
Dizzy all day long.
@@chrisking6667Read my mind here Dizzy was the best.
The creatures simply don't want invading humans on their planet, one of the films flaws is that they could have gotten into that more
it is implied that human kind want to...colonise Klendafu, by the fact that Buenasauris Argentina is the new California, as "Latin America" is colonised now itself, by the master race.
the same point was made far more clearly in Cameron's AVATAR film a metaphor for land rights issues and tribal life.
Total Recall is a memory thing not a product return thing 😃
I like how no one questions why the humans have bugs in captivity to be tortured and executed on public television *BEFORE* the war even started
10:09 yeah, it costs an arm or a leg to vote
part of me wants smellovision, and part of me doesnt
Starship Troopers is Power Rangers: Lost Galaxy!
Most people don't recognize Rue McClanahan, from The Golden Girls, as the blind teacher supervising the bug dissection.
Clancy Brown, who plays drill sergeant Zim, is also the guard captain in The Shawshank Redemption. Dina Meyer (Dizzy) appeared in Dragonheart 1, the first three Saw movies, Johnny Mnemonic (with Keanu Reeves), and was Barbara Gordon/Oracle nee Batgirl in the TV series Birds of Prey.
I never was a huge fan of Robert Heinlein's books; unlike a friend of mine I used to swap books with. He thought Heinlein was the shit. Personally, I think he liked all the sex in Heinlein's later material. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against sex, but if he had edited out just half of the boinking and sexual references in The Number of the Beast it would be a hundred pages shorter. And besides, Philip Jose Farmer wrote much better sex scenes. In my opinion, the movie was much better than the book, and I'm so glad you got Verhoeven's satire.
As for Total Recall, I always laugh at the scene where the receptionist is doing her nails. In the novella by Philip K. Dick, We Can Remember It For You Wholesale, her bare breasts are a different color on each visit to Rekal by our hero, Douglas Quall. There were several.
Heinlein wasn't a bad writer. He won many awards for his works, and he, along with Isaac Asimov' and Arthur C. Clarke were known as The Big Three of science fiction. His philosophies, some ultra-conservative some ultra-liberal, have no doubt kept many of his books from the silver screen. Again, this is just my opinion and personal taste. Of The Big Three, Clarke was my favorite. I like Asimov's robot stories, but most of his other works put me to sleep. Well, I've probably said enough or maybe too much, so bye for now and good viewing.
Thanks for watching ❤
I still can't believe that critics saw a movie about a military stratocracy and didn't immediately think it was satire. Once the movie started with a propaganda ad it should have been made extremely obvious.
The actor playing the teacher, Michael Ironside, had a rather memorable role as the owner of an evil taxi company in the A-team episode "The Taxicab Wars" th-cam.com/video/g_v8JPqy0Eo/w-d-xo.html
yep, the bugs can send asteroids, in the book they can even control weapons
This is a SciFi version of a 1940 WWII propaganda movie. They were from every studio in Hollywood, including Looney Toons, Tom and Jerry (Yankee Doodle Mouse) and DC comics.
To start off, this movie shows what could of happened if nazi germany had won WW2. As for the asteroid scene I have trouble with why they waited so long to fire the trusters, if they had dne it as soon as the captain told them to evade no part of the ship would of been hit. I know it was for dramtic affect and to remove the ship's ability to warn earth. But the killing of shipmates does not make them "one hell of a flight crew".
Glad you liked this one. I was always amazed at the caliber of CGI used. And looking gorgeous as usual. :)
Thank you 🥰
Have a blast (figuratively) watching this show 😁. "The only good bug... Is a dead bug."
@@CalciumChief I'm doing my part.
The alien bugs were spawning, like frogs 🐸
This has always been one of my favorite movies
45:47 “Which one’s Will?!?” 😂
Sorry, but aside all the good film/literary criticism I could throw at this re 1990s VFX, practical vs CGI, or the nature of “Citizenship” and what various sources of propaganda might control it in this universe, I still break up over a good one-liner. See also “Wilhelm Reflex.”
These aren't nukes, they are farts.. 😅 brilliant quote
Plasma blast
10:17 The vets wear their wounds with honor. They got hurt defending the human race so they don’t mind people gawking at them.
You want to see the real life version of this story.
Check out
Oliver Stone’s
“Born on the Fourth of July”
Starring Tom Cruise in his greatest performance.
Will do 😍
The issue of boys and girls sharing a locker room together should be the norm, especially for a service where they will be sharing all kinds of situations.
On the other hand, that such nudity is seen as normal would detract from the following joke about showing one's ass during a colleague's private conference.
It's clear that they should use a larger caliber ammunition to fight the bugs, or even ray guns, and make more use of aircrafts that fire and bomb
Lol what's hilarious is the kids with guns scene. You were horrified.
Yet, my mom made sure I knew how to handle all manner of rifles, shotguns,pistols, and fully automatic weapons by the time I was 11. In 36 years since I have never had to shoot anyone or harm a person with firearms. Punch them? Yes.
It's all about the person, not the weapon.
There were straight to tv movies, and a few cg films, the sequel in my opinion wasn't that bad, might be worth reacting to.
Mad respect for noticing the propaganda and questioning the narrative on your first watch.
😇🙏
38:50, given the galactic distance from Earth to Klandathu, I think the government destroyed Buenos Aires for propaganda.
Yes. The critics were stupid. The fans knew better.
Having grown up in the US in a military family, ( Mom, Dad, Uncles, Grandfather's, cousins, distant relatives) I think some of your perceptions of the military are a little bit off.
People in the military for the most part aren't psychotic, they are actually put through mental evaluations to make sure they are stable. Yes US Marines are still sketchy, I can say this many of them are my friends.
The US has an all volunteer military. People join for a number of reasons. Family service legacy, money, schooling, travel, benefits after you serve like government loans for a house, collage. Medical benefits etc. I would have gone in the US Navy had my knees not been so bad I couldn't do the running in basic.
I could have come out with skills, a pension with medical if I stayed in the 20 years like my Dad.
In my Father's case this is what the military did for him. He was in 23 years. Sailed all over the world and visited many countries. They trained him as a corpsman (medic). By the end of his time he was trained as an advanced medic. He came out with a pension and medical benefits.
His training was sufficient enough that after a year at college he was a licensed Physician's Assistant at 45 years old. He paid nothing for his schooling.
You have to remember the military has a multitude of jobs (at least in the US) not all of them are combat troops. There are lawyer, mechanics, cooks, engineers, dentists, Drs, administrators etc. The smart recruits make the military work for them as much as the military makes you work for it.
some movie suggestions:
Super (2010)
Your Name (2016)
Being John Malkovich (1999)
Thank you 😍
I'm so happy that you got to watch this movie and see throu it's action-packed cover! :D When I first saw Starship Troopers as a teenager I was completely clueless of what I'm looking at. Space marines shooting alien bugs - just one of many Aliens (1986) rip-offs (and not the best one at it), that's all it was for me back then. I was very unsatisfied with the movie and rated it poorly for a long time (kinda like those critics you mentioned). How blind I was. After rewatching it and seeing it from different point of view (more mature perhaps?) it became one of my favourites and I will gladly keep recommending it to anyone.
I watched this movie when it came out on the 90s, and I thought it was silly; didn't get the satire. Then I saw it in the 2000s, after the iraq invasion, color-coded t*rr*r warning charts and freedom fries, and suddenly understood the satirical genius.
Thank you so much 🙏
I was very young when I watched this but got it instantly-we are all different after all ✌️
"Nobody is staring" - If people see each other naked all the time it becomes normal and not sexualized, and they actually stop staring.
When I went to collage a dude in my dorm rode a IFV (military vihicle) they went over a bump and the dude right across him got half a magazine of bullets right in his face. Died instantly.
So those things happend. They have tightened up safety quite a.lot since. But this was right at the time this movie was made and that wasn't even that uncommon.
Shree would you like to know more? ➡️
😆 Check out Total Recall if you wanna see more of Vernhoven's funny, violent Sci-fi Action movies. It's also a Arnold Schwarzenegger movie and you can go wrong with his movies. He was the action king of the 80's and 90's.
Can't wait 😍
The metaphor of the Brain bug is military intelligence
Interesting!
Got this awesome 😎 movie on dvd 📀
Would you like to know more? The movie is made in the style of old war movies, like the like Ronald Reagan's, with the propaganda more obvious
This movie is the ultimate satire.
It's based on the controversial 1959 novel of the same name.
When Paul Verhoeven read the book, he stopped at 2 chapters, finding the book very depressing, as it took itself was too serious.
When the film was released in 1997, it recieved negative Reviews by Critics as they thought it glorified Nazism, Racism, Authoritarianism and Communism. It did receive an Oscar nomination for Best Visual Effects but lost to TITANIC.
It made $122 million dollars against a $100 million dollar budget.
It's gained a cult following overtime.
These are some acidic f******g farts😂😂
Once again you take me back to my childhood perfect reaction to this movie. You are correct on the bugs at 46:42 facts on Dizzy at 7:25 13:31 13:58 14:31 49:10 she should not have died. Great catch at 51:17 on the uniforms that is exactly what I was thinking.
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@@ShreeNation Your welcome thanks for loving my comment. Plus you are talking straight facts in your review break at 27:48
At seven minutes and fifty nine seconds you kill me with the line
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Verhoeven completely missed the mark on the underlying message of the novel(not surprising as he didnt even read it), but despite that, he made a quite enjoyable sci-fi action flick. Both give a totally different message. The novel is a serious work with a focus on civic virtue, responsibility and duty, while the film satirically attempts to show the dangers of unchecked militarism.
The novel is militarist and fascistic, just because the author says his view of the world would be an utopia it doesn't mean that's true
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 i think i already know the answer to this question but i'll ask it anyway so we're clear on where each of us stand when making our arguments.
Have you read the book?
@@stuka80 yes
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009Oh ok, I was sure you didnt read it cause you completely said the opposite of what the novel portrayed. Ok, so which part exactly does it show how the novel is militaristic and fascistic? Then i'll point to you how its actually a republic and non-militaristic. If you dont respond i'll assume, correctly once again that you actually didnt read the book and like alot of people who spew out Verhoeven's ignorant opinion just throw out theirs without knowing what they're actually talking about.
@@stuka80 the whole book, the premise is that you can only vote after military service
You can only be an politician after military service
This is an dictatorship
TRIVIA: The girl who accidently shot the cadet in the head killing him during training--- the two actors are married in real life. Hahaha--- NEVER PISS OFF THE WIFE!
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Talking about drill instructor Zim being to extra. Obviously you never even seen a video of actual soldiers in boot camp. Suffice to say, the actor pretty much nailed it.
I think the 2nd movie is worth a react, much lower budget and no returning cast, but they do keep paul's satirical spirit of being a commentary of a fascist military dystopia.
I'd even enjoy seeing you react to the cgi animated sequels. They have none of the satire at all, but Casper does return as the voice of Rico in them, and just plays them as shlocky alien monster invasion movies, which can be fun while drinking (that's how I enjoyed them atleast)
It was obvious to me that this was political/military satire in a way similar to...Dr. STRANGELOVE or even THE PRODUCERS, humour is the point as much as social comment i'd say propaganda & naive arrogance are the points of the film, its also pretty obvious this is a comment on the real life golf wars, what with the terrain being desert and all (this may have damaged the films popularity even, because of it's timing)
As much as I love Starship Troopers the movie, Paul Verhoeven really did attack a strawman of Robert Heinlein's book.
In the original, the state is doing everything they can to DISCOURAGE people from joining the military. And you can become a citizen if you join the military OR any other service organization. His society is also not a dictatorship - the idea is that you need to earn your vote. If you go through service you earn that vote.
Also, from the military point of view one of the things they really nerfed in the movie was the weapons. In the book, the grunts go into battle in a sort of personal battleship called a power suit. They are shot out of orbit from capital ships (as shown in the film) in capsules that skim the atmosphere and provide chaff to protect from enemy fire, and they eject above the atmosphere where they basically can have the suit fly to a landing (think iron man times 50). They carry all types of ordinance on board, but especially mini-nukes which they can 'throw' at targets miles away. There are only a few of them, but there don't need to be that many. They are basically gods with guns, and they pretty much obliterate everything they see, jumping from place to place using their power suits and able to control them with the suit mimicing their actions.
The training scenes are brutal but not nearly as brutal as shown in the film, and of course in Heinlein's mind the world is peaceful and prosperous, with a social safety net for all but capitalism providing the underlying driver of wealth.
Now I've got mixed feelings about the picture that Heinlein paints. On the one hand, I'd like to believe that making service a prereq would lead to what he shows, but on the other, I think that the US primary system is a lot like Heinlein's politics, and look how that is turning out. The limiting of votes to a small subset of the public (because only a small subset of the public ever gets to primaries) just leads to the most radical, unreasonable, and fanatic of the public voting, and I think that if we followed starship troopers to a tee, we'd probably get something like hyper-partisanship.
But again Verhoeven is definitely strawmanning Heinlein here.
Verhoeven is making fun of the value implications of early Heinlein's politics more than his literal policy ideas. Heinlein never saw a day of combat but wrote the kind of militarist pied piper fiction that appealed to sheltered suburban preteens in the years between Korea and Vietnam. The pompous rear-guard bloviating is easy to see for what it is, and tough to take for anyone who knows even a little better.
@@dudermcdudeface3674 well right.. but he did serve in the navy and the only reason he left the service is because he had tuberculosis. And his brother went on to be a general in the national guard. So I think he had a little more skin in the game than you imply.
As for the 'militarist pied piper' label, it really isn't all that militarist. If you read it, he is more echoing the sentiment of the day about the perils the world faced (nazis, communists). I agree that it is a bit ham-fisted but they *were* a real threat (hell, fascism is a threat even today) and if anything they are screeds about the importance of critical thinking than anything else. His emphasis on violence solving social and cultural problems is very much in error but he does a good job of making the argument.
In any case, in order to satirize something you have to actually - you know - address the mindset of the material you are satirizing. And Starship Troopers is great satire - just not great satire about *Heinlein*.
@@gregmattson2238 I've read quite a few Heinlein books, including ST. He has a lot of opinions that don't jibe well with either reality or his own publicly-known life experiences, and just screams "wannabe." Most of his books before Stranger in a Strange Land are like that.
I'm not saying it was his fault he never saw combat, but it was his fault that he didn't have the humility to realize he was lucky (apart from the tuberculosis). At least until later books where he became more introspective. Those books were the softer '50s versions of the "Would You Like to Know More?" ads in the movie.
Quite a few young men were inspired enough by books like that to join the military and fight in Vietnam. Needless to say, their opinions of Heinlein's military fiction tended to be different after the war. Some dismissive, but plenty actively hostile.
His society is not an dictatorship because Heilen says so, is the author's vision of an utopia, wich for anyone with 2 braincells is an nightmare asking to collapse in on itself and have the most corrupt government ever
Specially when that's the author's manifesto of how an society needs to be
@@gregmattson2238 yeah, tuberculosis, he got better, and when given the chance to go back and actually see combat and "do his part", well, he didn't do it
He wants you to go through it, not him
Shree, your intro music was so loud and distracting that I couldn't focus on what you were saying. Really looking forward to this reaction. You are awesome!
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Hi, Shree! The book this film was based on was an obvious parody of wartime propaganda. Much like "Mein Kampf" and The Hitler Youth Corps, this story presented the concept of becoming part of a war focused military as being a pleasurable, and even an admirable, thing. Yet, when we see these kids are under fire, we see how meaningless all the rah rah bravado really is.
Best way to think of this is what the SS saw themselves as on the Eastern Front. In fact, Verhoeven wanted it to be exactly that.
He needed to show bad things.
If you wear a nazi-like outfit but the worst things you do is make a ferret run up a leg and run a science/psych division that works with bugs, you're just a psychic entomologist.
If the bugs were humanized it would be different. You've killed bugs before, Silas.
@@yodieyuh Bad things like military dictatorship, schools that condemn democracy, public executions, public torture, the implication of false-flag attacks on their own people, genocide, propaganda...?
"And nobody has any problem with it!"
Zim's use of excessive violence curbs threats to his authority after the first session, and no one asks any more questions after knife training 😬
It's yet more fascist conditioning the 'citizens' must go through. If you notice - medics are always on hand ("Medic!"), so this kind of response is not only expected, but likely encouraged...
Good catch!
In the novel there are less action and more philosophical parts. In the movie these things are totally opposite. But I like both.
Looking forward to Total Recall.
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Great reaction :)
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When this came out I read the review for it in the newspaper (a very old sentence). The reviewer knew the film was Satire, and I knew it was going into the film. I thought it was great, being a teenager and all. Diz is #1 girl in my book. There are sequels to this film which are not very good. There is also and Anime made in the 1980s based on the book.
Namaste🙏. I saw this movie when it first came out and thought it was a mediocre film at best. I have not watched it in any media form since. I do watch your channel and always leave a thumbs up but I don’t always comment; so when this popped up on my notification board I was intrigued. How would you react to a movie I thought mediocre? You did not disappoint! The insight you gave in the review portion jumped started some nullified neurons in my tired brain so now I must revisit this movie to see what else I may have missed. Thank you for the inspiration.
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I must have watched the movie over five times in theaters back when it had just come out. It was quite shocking to realize that others, leaving the theater, were complaining about how the movie was a bad adaptation of the book, not getting at all that this was a fascist satire. No wonder people fall for fascism in real life if this two hour joke goes straight over their heads.
This was all before 9/11 and yet so prescient of what the future would bring. There are an awful lot of people who can look at political B.S. and not recognize it for what it is.
the book was readable...
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I have to thank you, for having one of the most decent human reactions to this film I've ever seen. Most people don't even realize it's satire, much less that the people they're cheering for are flat-out fascists. They show the Milky Way galaxy, pinpoint Earth and Klendathu. They are like 50K light years apart. It would take 50K years for the meteor to get to Earth, if it were moving at the speed of light, which it isn't. There's no way the narrative of the bug attack on Earth is correct. It's the constant need of fascism to have an enemy to fight, that's it. On top of that, every character in this film is morally reprehensible, and somehow Verhoeven leans into our own propagandized perceptions so skillfully, that many people don't even notice that they're identifying with a bunch of Nazis.
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Good movie but Total Recall is the best of the 3 Verhoven classics. I love Robocop too but Recall has Arnold!
Can't wait to watch Total Recall 😍
@@ShreeNation Get your ass to Mars!