Just finished watching the film, I’ve seen it in parts before but never really sat down and actually watched the whole thing and now that I did, I checked TH-cam for more information on it because when I really like something I want to know more. I’ve already seen a couple of videos on it and they were intriguing but really enjoyed your analysis on it and will definitely be subscribing to your channel. Thank you! 😊
Thanks for watching and thank you so much for supporting the channel! I'm really pleased you enjoyed the analysis. Its such a personal and important film to me. Thanks again.
Thanks for this commentary. In this and other analyses I've seen, no one makes the point that Alice, who admits to having fantasies, turns down the older man and the party, when she could easily have indulged herself without Bill ever finding out. Bill, who denies his darker thoughts, is the one who goes through one shocking experience after another. He finally realizes that it's not the fantasy or dark thought that is the issue, but the active decision not to act out on these thoughts that makes the person who they are.
If I may add something, in all moments of temptation, we actually don't know what Bill would have done. He doesn't clearly refuse the forbidden fruit because each time his choice gets interrupted. Before he sleeps with Domino, Alice calls. When he tries to proceed with Domino's friend, she stops to tell him that Alice is HIV positive. At the house, the prostitute chooses him not to sleep with him, but to warn him that he's in danger, and she does this twice, even stealing him from another prostitute to warn him a second time. She seems to have chosen him specifically because he stuck out like a sore thumb, for reasons that Ziegler later pointed out, and also because he was wearing a Volto mask, which in Venetian balls was a "commoner's" mask. So in truth, it wasn't Bill's good character and will power that spared him; it was external intervention. As for the costume seller, it's very likely that he was trafficking his own daughter, and in order to cover it up the night before they played it off as if he "caught" her. He, like the upper classes, is running a human trafficking ring. This ties in to the end as Bill's own daughter gets led away by the two strange men. My interpretation of the film is that failing to protect high values, even in the mind, leads one down a dark path of chain events that initiate an unstoppable outcome of evil.
Thanks for your comments. That's really interesting about Bill's mask being that of a commoner, that fits in with a few other thoughts I've had about Bill being a social climber,and of course some of the themes in the original novel. What you mention about intervention is really cool and interesting too. I was just talking earlier with a commenter about the parallels with a Christmas Carol, and how the film could be looked at as a fable, and how it could be about Bill and his life choices. Really interesting points, much appreciated.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema This movie certainly makes for great conversation. I think you got it right about Bill being a social climber, which his choice of mask reflects. And also this movie being a fable about choices. One other interesting point is the question of who the true villain is. In my opinion, it's Alice. She was unable to manage her own jealousy at seeing Bill with two attractive females - even though she herself was with an attractive man at the time - and she immediately projected infidelity on to Bill. Worse, she proceeded to drag out her own desires for infidelity, so she planted the seed of insecurity and jealousy in Bill. She killed his faith and trust in her, sending him out into the night, where he found real darkness. And even though he narrowly escaped in body (only through the sacrificial act of the prostitute), he has now made his family a target for the society probably forever. All because Alice was unable to manage her own unfounded, projected jealousy. Even at the end, she is unable to give him the security that their marriage is forever. She loves him only for the moment. And she will string him along like this, seeding uncertainty in him, controlling his emotional state according to her needs.
@@Amadeus_2061It sure is a great movie, more so than the critics gave it credit for I think. I agree, Its definitely a film about jealousy. Jan Harlan Kubrick's producer said it was 'a film about the sexual jealously of the mind'. And like you say, I think Alice did sow the seeds of jealousy and allowed for doubt and more darkness to enter their lives. Bill and Alice are their own worse enemies, they have everything but still need to create this awful drama in their lives to fill the void. It is a story of the darkness within us indeed. And those words you mention 'I love you for this moment' say it all. It's all about the games we play. Kubrick definitely did want us to talk about this one lol There's a lot say.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema He sure did! I watched this again last night alongside The Devil's Advocate. Boy, do these two films complement each other in theme!
I pretty much agree. Don't know about their daughter being taken. The two men could be extras but... we all know where are the little ones going. Not in detail like Epstein and because of that we are alive and he isn't.
I always liked this film even in 1999 when there has been many audience hated it. I feel this film has got many messages. From class system, even the scene with Alice educating her daughter about marrying rich men. Even the rich cult groups like in Eyes Wide Shut seemed to exist all the round the world. Great video.
Thanks John, I thought It was under rated too when it came out, a lot of my favourite critics like Kermode, still don't seem to give it much attention but I always thought it was the most personal of Kubrick's films, I really relate to it. Like you say, there is so much more to be said about it. I might even do a part 2 to this video in the future, It's a film that's open to so many interpretations and that's when movies get really interesting lol
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema Eyes Wide Shut is one most analyse films. I remember there was some people that hated Eyes Wide Shut because of a named Hollywood star which I thought was stupid. I always felt Nicole Kidman's Alice was a stronger performance who I felt manipulated Tom Cruise's which Kubrick had taken Cruise out of his comfort zone. I would of been interesting to see how Harvey Keitel original portrayal of the Sidney Pollack part. From watching Pollack portrayal of Bill's friend is quite like a mentor or father figure which is quite more shocking how sinister Pollack. Whereas Keitel is known for dark complex roles. Again I always like this film it feels like a journey a dream. Looking forward to part 2.
@@ninfilmsTom Cruise is the same guy in every movie with a few exceptions. Nicole Kidman is actually a phenomenal actor who would later go on to win an Oscar, whereas Cruise not so much. I’m pretty sure thats why Kubrick picked them. That reality definitely shows through in the scene where Alice gets high and basically cucks Bill through telling him her fantasy(flawless performance by Kidman). And this theme is continued through the whole movie where Bill is continuously getting cucked whenever he gets close to having sexual contact with someone other than Alice
Thanks for watching. I definitely agree. It's a study of the games we play and our inner most thoughts and feelings. It's about our personal responsibilities to each other and to ourselves. And I think part of the warning is that you need to think about how you live and how the slightest words or even thoughts can effects those close to you and have consequences. I'm with you, on that I think its Kubrick's most personal work. Great Movie. Thanks for your comments.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema Thanks and I would go further in that he is showing us what has and still goes on. Do you think that a man as smart as Mr Kubrick knowingly included the irony of his actors religious beliefs as a kind of irony ? Thanks for responding. 🥡4🤔
I feel it helps to look at this film in terms of who is the protagonist/antagonist. Typically these are clear but not in a Kubrick film. Bill starts as the protagonist but is living in a superficial dream state. He has everything he believes make a valuable and fulfilling life. He believes he's done all the right things until he's faced with Alice's fantasy. His night out experiences present him with opportunities to see what's real- both good and bad. It's like A Christmas Carol, except ultimately Bill chooses to return to his empty superficial marriage making him the main antagonist. Granted Alice is definitely an antagonist as she values (even from the start of the movie) what the people at the party represent (total depravity), but because we see through Bill's perspective, it is his choices that matter most.
Thanks for watching and your comments. I agree with many of your points especially on A Christmas Carol. I think this is a very important part of the story and is perhaps why the film is set at Christmas. You can easily find evidence to show that Bill is shown a glimpse of his past, present and future, surrogating the ghosts for who you wish, be it Domino, Zeigler or Millitch you can take your pick. This narrative structure has been used in storytelling, filmmaking and most importantly to Eyes Wide Shut, fables since storytelling began. Thanks for your well thought out interpretation, much appreciated.
This is closest to my interpretation. Thats why I don't get it why people think this move is so deep when it's quite simplistic. From the start its clear that he is living a fake life and has a hint of the truth only when his wife is stoned and shows her true contempt for him. I also disagree about idea most people say that it's his perspective, maybe about clean plastic world in the bkg that he thinks is great but in general what he thinks and what Kubrick is showing us as viewers about his wife first is in total contrast; His wife hates him and seems to remain blind about it until the end. He goes on a journey where he thinks he is doing good stuff but at the end choses to go back to a lie. Practically all women in the movie show some sort of positive emotion to him except his wife. I think that mask represents literally that his wife is one of whores random people were fucking at that orgy. The only question is why is he still a cuck? Maybe he is too afraid or so lost that he just can't comprehend reality even after things he saw that night.
@@frozen1762 the fact the his wife is at the party is interesting. It fits metaphorically but she was not at that party, at least. She call him to go home and was home when he arrived. Another thing is that she was drunk and even drunk she refuses to go with the older man at the beginning. She could do a little bit of whoring but chooses not to.
@@frozen1762Like your analysis on EWS. IMO at the end, the daughter is going off with those guys from the party. Also, there are many occult symbols in the toy store. Have heard 24 minutes were removed. Maybe Bill did join them, which his wife was manipulating him to do. That’s why she will have sex with him. And why the daughter is wandering off - the sacrifice of the first born. Was watching Eli Roth’s series on horror movies. He interviewed Steven King. King thought Kubrick destroyed his The Shining story. King was an alcoholic when he wrote it. Jack is one. In the book, Jack sacrifices himself to save his family. He redeems himself. In the movie, Kubrick had Jack personify evil. No redemption. Some fun facts. When Jack originally shows up, a Playgirl is on the table in the entry. Jack picks it up. Kubrick also added a scene with 2 guys seen through an open door, one was in a dog costume on his knees. In EWS, the young guys say Bill is homosexual. If unnecessary for the story, why have them?
" she values (even from the start of the movie) what the people at the party represent (total depravity)," -> What caused you to conclude that besides the drinking and the pot?
Brilliant job, mate. Eyes Wide Shut is my favorite kind of movie...a thought provoking morality tale wrapped inside, ostensibly, a horror film. Exactly the kind that stays with you over time. So glad I discovered your channel
Thanks for watching. I agree its such a great movie, so much more than most of the critics gave it credit for. Over the years its become one of my most watched Kubrick movies. Thanks again.
I didn't care for it when I saw it at the cinema in 1999, but after watching it a 2nd time in 2023, it felt like a totally different movie. As you say, our life experiences change our perspective and art hits us differently over time. @@johnrenneysboneyardcinema
Alice is 'The Pink Panther', a big predatory cat that preys on birds and rabbits at night. The clues are hidden in plain view, embedded into props, gestures, words, numbers, colours, lights and the music. Actors put their noses on clues or point at them with their elbows, index fingers in passing motions, etc. Kubrick would sometimes be happy after 2 takes but in many cases would do say, 80 takes... to get the clues lined up just right, appearing and disappearing, with camera movement and the movements of the actors. Alice has people killed, including Lou, Domino, Mandy, Nick, Bill and Helena. Bill wasn't actually going to cheat with Gayle and Nuala, nor was he tempted. He puts his hands out, putting on the brakes, stopping them and insisting, where exactly would that be, saying it depends where it is. They were sent by Alice to make Bill look bad, distract him and to keep his attention off of Alice herself. Alice has sex with Harris just after the first dance at the party. Harris is the 6'3" man that works for Victor. Alice checks him out when she and Bill walk into the ballroom and Harris bobs, just slightly, very easy to miss, moving his arms, up and down. Bill is profiled by Alice, knowing all his weaknesses, doubts, habits and curiosity. She and Victor plan out a series of staged situations to lure Bill into. Through these experiences, he's tortured to death, and will finally die physically later. The 6 guys that attack him on the street and impugn his manhood, the woman selecting him at Somerton and being taken from him in less than 1 minute, and coming back to Bill without her panties on, Sally telling Bill that Domino has HIV when Domino has actually been murdered, etc. It's all to weaken Bill, to terrify him, torture him and nearly paralyze him and so that he will blame himself when Helena's abducted. He will implode, maybe even kill himself and Alice will seem like a blameless victim, getting lots of life insurance and free to keep going to gangbang orgies. She's at Somerton, in the circle then in a wig, by the fireplace, having sex on a man's back for Bill to watch. Rainbow Fashions is all planned and staged for Bill to find. Milich says 5 times that he'll kill his daughter (Leelee). It's said facing her, away from Bill but the threat is actually towards Bill. It's to confuse him and unconsciously/subconsciously terrify him and weaken him. Milich taunts Bill the next day, fake offering him Leelee for sex but it really means that Milich probably had illegal contact with Bill's daughter, Helena, at Somerton as she was there. It's all an act, with an indirect message and intent, meant to cause Bill huge confusion and conflicting ideas and emotions. Bill's love with Domino was real and mutual, hence the green lens flare 'emerald' that appears on Bill in Domino's last shot. The film ends with 'the kiss of the Pink Panther', a pink light behind Bill, but by his mouth. After Alice says 'F**k.' Kubrick exposes this pink light, just a tiny bit more, to make the point, then the screen goes black and the credits and Shostakovich piece play. Alice wouldn't say 'forever' because she knows it's not. It is physical for Alice, listen to how she describes seeing the young naval officer: after just a glance she was so wet and tingly, her vagina was so on fire, she 'could hardly move'. She gets all that and much more through the Somerton sex group.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your detailed interpretation, there's so much here to think about and look out for next time we watch. Loads of interesting stuff, I really appreciate you taking the time to share this, much appreciated. It's such a great movie so much going on and so many different interpretations, loads to think about here. Thanks again.
Great 👍 info. In the scene at the hotel lobby a person walks by who looks just like Peter Sellers dressed as inspector Clouseau from the Pink Panther movies. I just thought maybe it was a nod to Peter Sellers but now that I’ve read your post maybe it represents much more.
Thanks for the comments. It’s a theory I can get behind. It makes total sense if you look at the film from the ‘Most Dangerous Game’ point of view. This suggests that Bill is being played like a pawn in a game. It’s very prevalent in the novella to the point where the protagonists inner dialogue asks himself ‘is this all a game’ and he wonders if he is being played and laughed at by the upper class for amusement. It’s an age-old story line when dealing with class or a fall from grace, see The Most Dangerous Game or a modern retelling in The Game. I think looking at Kubrick’s return to noirish tone and tropes in the film more than suggests this classical story line of a man caught in a game could be part of it and could be explored. Cheers and thanks for watching.
Well done, this reflects the thought that you have put into the film, rather than jumping on some of the crazy bandwagons that this film has prompted. Like you I read the source book and anyone who wants to make serious comments about the film would be well advised to do the same, because it debunks the idea that Kubrick had insider knowledge into secret societies.
Thanks for watching. Yeah, I really enjoyed the book I was surprised at how much Kubrick had taken directly from the source material sometimes word for word. As it was a short read I think it was an excellent choice for adaptation and worked really well on the screen done by Kubrick. There was another TV movie version done in the 60's that was a pretty good adaptation but no where near as good as EWS lol
Thank you young man for your thoughts. There are many levels that this film reflects. Repeated viewing has its rewards. Bill comes to see that he is not as ‘on top of things’ throughout the film, as he might have previously thought. There are levels, to this game of life, and both his wife, and the deeper aspects of how power can manifest within his world, has him seeing he is not as all powerful as he might have previously presumed.
Thanks for watching. Its such an emotionally charged film and I agree 100% that its about the game of life and the games we play with each other. And the revelation from Alice, catches him off guard and knocks Bill off his feet. Its as if he has become complacent in life and it takes this night of emotional turmoil to keep him in check and realise what he actually has and how everything including love, life and family is so fragile and can break if you take them for granted. And as you say he is not as important, powerful or unbreakable as he thinks. Its a very important story to me as I think it explores what it means to be in a relationship and what it means to be a complex emotional being, beautiful work. Thanks again for watching and sharing your thoughts, much appreciated.
In a nice dovetail, Todd Field, who played Nick Nightingale, would write and direct Tár. I believe that if Stanley Kubrick were alive, he would have been very proud of him for making that film.
6:20 So many analysts miss the point. It isn't about fantasies of others, it was the callous way she said she would throw away their marriage and her child. Bill never fantasizes about anything like that. We even see him near lascivious women, but never able to consummate. Even after realizing his wife is cold blooded, Bill is fair/generous to everyone he meets.
Thanks for watching and sharing your comments. I was recently watching a pod with a celebrity guest who actually talked about visiting 'Eyes Wide Shut' style happenings. I think there are a lot of Hollywood and media based undercurrents in Kubrick's films. Think of the news and media representation of the newspaper Joker works for and the film crew trying to make a war film in the middle of a real war in Full Metal Jacket. I recently had a conversation in the comments about the casting of Cruise and kidman and what that could represent and I'm petty sure this is a critical look at Hollywood. The depiction of Domino and how women are portrayed in the film, I think is also a very critical look at on screen representation in Hollywood of the 90's. Thanks again for taking the time to comment much appreciated.
@@mitchelleroberson I think it was Joe Rogan's podcast. He was talking about an experience actor Dave Chapelle had if I remember correctly. Not a great story but worth a listen. For fans like us lol
I'm not at all sure that an expose of Hollywood was a theme. Johnrenney said that he read the source novel, and I think that anyone who is really interested in the film should do the same. Schnitzler was working in Vienna at the same time as Freud. Freud apparently turned down an opportunity to meet Schnitzler worried that he might meet his doppelganger. Freud of course was looking at what drives the human psyche, and the book is similarly fascinated with psychosexuality, the life of dreams and fantasy, the link between sex and death. I would suggest that this was also the main fascination for Kubrick too, so reducing this to an expose of Hollywood is stretching it too much.
There is so much focus on Hollywood and the wealthy elite that everyone ignores the tree stump in their own front yard. Organized sex parties take place in middle-class America every day. People choose to focus on Hollywood because it is an easy target that the "normal" people wish to cast spiteful aspersions upon. The only thing different about Hollywood is that they have a better club house and better looking people.
Thanks for choosing to watch The Boneyard with so many other videos on Eyes Wide Shut out there! I've always found it to be a very personal work and with all the conspiracy theories out there I just wanted to give my opinion. I love listening to all the theories and opinions about Kubrick's work. Its so great there are so many interpretations. Thanks again.
This is the best overall analysis on this film I’ve seen. Great work. I’d love to hear your thoughts on the final scene in the film where their daughter is seen walking towards the two older gentlemen while they ignore her and isn’t seen again. In your analysis, you say that Bill realizes he wouldn’t be the kind of person to sell out his daughter, but the final scene implies that he is or at least he’s focused on something else leaving his daughter to wander into that kind of life.
Thanks for watching and for your kind and thoughtful comments. This is a tuff one lol I’ve thought about it quite a bit over the years. I think you can say that there is an element or sub plot of the film that is about the concept of grooming. This could be evidenced in the way that the Milich’s daughter mirrors the prostitute that Bill meets. I’m positive that their similarities were intended for us to be seen by Kubrick. The colours used in their scenes, the stance of the characters is almost identical, and I think it’s implied that Milich’s daughter will turn into a version of that prostitute. You could say she is groomed by the powerful or suited men she is seen with, and this is enabled by Milich for personal gain. If you follow down that line of thinking, showing the character of Bill’s daughter being lured away at the end could be considered the beginning of that grooming cycle. To back up the grooming theory being part of the film, I think there is evidence to say that Bill is also being groomed by Ziegler. Part of the definition of being groomed is “the way that people can be coerced and silenced by people who are charismatic and powerful” and I think that definitely applies to Bill’s relationship with Ziegler and is evidenced in the dialogue when Ziegler tells him “This is between us”. There is a lot that can be interpreted from the end scene, like the fact it takes place in a toy store at Christmas. This could mean that Bill and Alice buy love from their daughter rather than earn it. I think the fact that she wanders away unattended by Bill, implies that he needs to be less selfless and look after his family, he needs to learn the lesson that having a family means giving away part of yourself, his life is not just about him anymore. I could go on lol but there’s so much to say. Anyway, that’s kind of my theory on Bills daughter in the end. I’m not committed to it, but I do think there is a sub plot of grooming in the story and if Bill’s daughter is snatched after the camera stops rolling, I think it could be suggesting that this is the beginning of the grooming cycle followed by Milich’s daughter, the prostitute and then the dead girl is where they may end up. Just a fan theory of mine, but I hope that helps answer your question. Thanks again.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema thank you for your response. I do believe in the grooming side plot due to all the hints you mentioned. The only thing I gather from the end is that even though Bill resist temptation multiple times when it comes to cheating on his wife, he still is heading towards being a character just like Milich. He wants to believe he wouldn’t be like that but his daughter walking towards those gentleman without him noticing, symbolizes this, I believe. He might be incapable of cheating on his wife, but he still has his demons when it comes to his daughter. The ending might seem positive at first glance, but I think it’s actually very tragic. I like the idea of Ziegler grooming Bill too. I’ve never thought about it that way. I’ve always seen Ziegler as someone Bill wants to be like, but once he is given the opportunity, Bill’s conscience doesn’t allow him to. Thanks again for your reply.
@@dwezel No problem thanks for getting back, I love to talk movies especially ones as layered as 'Eyes'. I agree, I definitely think that the film is a tragedy, the ending leaves me with an empty feeling. Bill and Alice have everything people wish for, yet they make there own tragedy and drama between themselves. And like you say, in the end it's to late and Bill will never have absolutes, just like Alice tells him he can't even be sure of her love. I think its one of Kubrick's most layered films. The man certainly knew how to get us to think.
I also see the setting in motion of a pattern relative to when bill treats the od woman, he saves her life, then it appears that the same woman offers herself as a sacrifice when Bill is revealed. They tell him that what is promised there cannot be changed. So far he hasn't done anything wrong, however at the end scene with their daughter there's a game called the magic circle, I believe what he doesn't realise is that her sacrifice for his life means there is a very real debt that will now need to be repaid by his daughter. Something has been created through a kind of black magic. I'm not convinced he does get to walk away without consequences of his actions. He's stumbled into something way over his head and doesn't even realise the implications that he's now set in motion for future generations. I think an aspect of the story is be careful of falling into a hellish world which is your own creation through lower choices and desire. There's also a few references at the end, obviously there's a significant amount of symbolism to the goat and Capricorn, in the context of this film the rituals are all about the beastly aspect of desire and lust not the higher version of divine union. Then there is also the bear and the Barbie, two things the daughter picks up in the store. The Bear is symbolic of winter solstice and the darkness/ hibernation in the cave and the Barbie is plastic. Pretty on the outside but devoid of spirit within. I think it clearly suggests the daughter will now be claimed in the cycle.
This is certainly one of the most optimistic, moral, and hopeful takes I’ve seen on Eyes Wide Shut. Of course this is why I thoroughly disagree with it 😅. But I appreciate the thought that went into it. Well done.
That was an outstanding breakdown sir! I've watched this movie many many times, it's one of my favorites, but I've never looked at it quite from that perspective. My conspiratorial side is drawn to that movie and kubrick's work in general, but so much so that I sometimes overlook the true message. Well done! 👌
Thanks for watching and thanks for the kind words. Its one of my favourites too, there are so many ways to look at his work and I love to hear other perspectives, my conspiratorial side loves his work too, especially The Shining. I love all the different ways people have seen that movie, so cool. A great filmmaker. Thanks again I really appreciate it.
Does anyone know why when Alice sees Nick nightingale at the ball she looks shocked, refuses to say hello, and then says she has to go to the bathroom. It’s as if she knew him already, surely has some significance
He isn't offered anything at the party. Unless you think they presented Nick Nightingale to draw him in. That could make sense since someone interrupts the convo between Bill and Nightingale.
I do agree and enjoyed your deconstruction and analysis of the movie, and i'm a huge fan of practically any Kubrick movie save The shining and this one. The main fatal flaw in this one being, Tom Cruise playing it as such a cypher and non-entity - even though he's sort of acting being perturbed and having sexual anxieties.....he doesn't convince me one bit. The relation with his wife is very very coldl, they got all of the trappings and a kid (to which they don't pay a great deal of attention), but relation wise? Umm, i've seen Woody Allen have more passion and horniness in him. It's all sort of done on purpose, TomCruise is not a bad actor, but romance or sexual tension was never his forte. Usually he plays the determined character, but here he's quite the passive floating raft on the high seas of a fake Christmas Manhattan. Ergo with little passion, no convincing sexual tension (at least for me), no real debauchery or sexual heat at the main "orgy" (it is more like a sort of arty Paris catwalk no, the masked audience sitting down and watching passively, not a whole lot going on there). The (grooming) thread i kind of suscribe to, the whole first Ziegler and the drugged prostitute being all a little bit too much of a coincidence, is this all just a set up putting Tom to the test ? Is he ready to join the powerful sexual perverts or is he basically a cypherish passive "romantic" sort of type.......seems the latter. And as the grand master suggest we will come after your family, the daughter is curiously missing and does look purposefully back at the parents in her parting shot. Grooming part 1 okay.......but boy does this whole Pizzagate for the demonic illuminati go nowhere....... not so much as you couldn't make a thrilling film about that, (one could), but it's like Nicole suggests they go fuck (as soon as possible). Both their reactions are underwhelming to say the least - again on purpose.....are we supposed to take this seriously ? Okay let's assume that loving sex and a commited relation are fragile at best..... Credits roll, what happens now , they start to get just a little eensy-teensy bit horny to fullfill their marital duties and then they discover their daughter is gone, kidnapped or pawed by the Illuminati/demonic powerful Democrats )cause hey, Evangelicals and Republicans don't/never do these things right ? LOL. What next, panic? Why is that whole grooming thread in the movie anyway? As far as we know from real life, the Weinsteins, the Epsteins, the Prince Andrews, The Trumps, your Diddies and Andrew Tate, your Abercrombie and Fitch.....you groom the naive and the poor with promises and half lies. The ones who will most likely shut up when they reach 18 or 20. The whole rather carefully set up narrative thread of powerful satanic rituals is just left dangling with nowhere to go (and for sure weak doctor Cruise will not crack the case) and no consequence or point Besides it's not the subject of the movie .... Power corrupts has been done in other and better movies, multiple times. And again it's not what the movie purports to be ?
I really like ur look at this. I agree with the way they frame nightingale as a fortune-teller/genie granted bill his wildest dreams. And when u talk about what sex means to the prostitute. It not only means a job and education but also means a death sentence to her
Thanks for watching. That's interesting I never thought about Dominos death like that before, I guess I always took it for granted that Domino by name and by nature falls downs. I'm definitely going to look into her character more. Thanks for your thoughts really interesting.
The cult represents the cult that runs Hollywood. Tom and Nicole were chosen because of their real life marriage and connection to the cult of scientology, as well as Nicole's father and his history.
In looking into the aftermath of the film - Kubrick loses a daughter to the Scientology cult and Kidman loses two children to the cult following her divorce from Cruise. Life imitating art? As others have written, although the film takes place in NYC and shot in London, it is really a tale about Los Angeles/Hollywood and all the wannabe's and double lives in that city. All the young women in the film are types of those 'performing talents' trying to break into the movie and music industries and are shown as having sex with the Hollywood establishment (to pay their dues with their bodies), whether it is a figurative casting couch in Ziegler's bathroom, prostituting/escorting, at a Hollywood party where they are expected to promiscuously service the male and female members of the upper echelon of the Hollywood cult. Alice and Ziegler's wife are types of women who have previously paid their 'industry dues' as once young aspiring talents and still participate in the licentious activities as initiated members of the cult - hence the mask placed on the pillow when Alice returned from the orgy/bacchanal before Bill returns. We also see Alice grooming her daughter for a similar fate as she is preprogrammed to climb the Hollywood ladder and cater to rich and older men - fugitively portrayed as the two older men who lead her away in the final scene. The mansion ceremony with the satanic circles and mysterious red cloak high priest are meant to convey the hidden evilness of the Hollywood upper circles, and that only the initiated (same shared values whether politics, sex, morality, wealth, etc.) can be part of the Hollywood cult either in the inner or outer circles. The mask represent their hidden and sordid lives in contrast to the faces they show the public. At the end of the film, Bill's eyes are now wide open to the inner grammar of decadent Hollywood scene and its sordid and corrupt nature and the realization that his sexually unsatisfied wife and daughter are lost to the cult as he breaks down now knowing the cost of success in Hollywood. It ends with Alice telling him nothing is permanent, the Hollywood dream is just that, a dream not the reality of selling oneself over and over for success and wealth, to live in the moment, and all that counts is having sex and gratifying immediate desires.
Bill became insecure when he found out how his wife was willing to throw away their future together for a one night stand with the naval officer. He was even willing to sleep with the woman who confessed her love for him in order to get some power back in the relationship.
Thanks for watching. I agree, I think Bill feels very insecure. I think the guys on the street who bump into him and belittle him are also a confirmation of this. He is set off balance and I agree that the women he considers sleeping with are a way of him trying to either have revenge or as you put it better, to somehow regain power in the relationship or at least get even. I think maybe he can't control or understand the jealousy he feels and he's looking for a way to overcome it. Really interesting points, thanks for your comments.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema I'm in the cuckolding lifestyle, so when he visualizes Alice with the naval officer throughout the movie, I can relate to him. It becomes an obsession to him. And when Alice wakes up from the dream laughing and tells Bill what she dreamt about, made things worse for him.
I liked your interpretation, I've always just watched it for the movie and not thinking of anything. I believe Stanley Kubrick had a contract where only he could edit his movies and the company wanted him to take out about 30 minutes of.it and he wouldn't. After his death they edited the movie the way they wanted and I believe the day he died was 666 days before the date of 2001 A space odyssey. Also, Nicole Kidman's father left Australia for Singapore to stay with his other daughter because they were looking at him for improper advances on a child. His death in Singapore was a little suspicious. Another thing to think about is Bill's strength, he could have had sex with them women but he had the strength to mot do it. Just like I think r**e is a sign of weakness not power because they were to weak to control their urges. Yeah, I could be wrong about that.
Thanks for the kind words, it is such a personal film to me for those reasons. With a filmmaker like Kubrick it's easy to get lost in the stunning way the films look but I think the heart of Eyes Wide Shut for me is that emotional connection. It's such a great work on so many levels. Thanks again.
I haven't seen all of Stanley Kubrick's movies. But I've seen this one. First off, mad respect for Tom Cruise. He's a confident action star first and foremost but in this film, he's vulnerable, uncertain and doesn't seem like a man who could do all the insane stunts he does in his other movies. Second, I think a very strong case could be made that Stanley Kubrick was THE greatest filmmaker of all time. Outside of Eyes Wide Shut, I've also seen The Shining, The Killing, Doctor Strangelove and Fear and Desire. Granted, Fear and Desire was a clumsy mess but outside of that, Kubrick delivered banger after banger consistently for 4 decades. All of his movies are personal, apart from Spartacus which was a for hire job, but they're also unique at the same time. You can tell the same man is behind the camera and that could have become stale but Kubrick, much like George Lucas, wasn't content to repeat himself.
Thanks for watching. Yeah, I agree he's one of the greats of filmmaking, his compositions and his style are like no one else's. 100 other Hollywood directors could line up the same shots with the same lenses and still not capture his magic. I was watching Full Metal Jacket just last week and the way that he shoots that ending in what looks like the fires of hell, when they are at war with the sniper is so horrific to watch, yet I still marvel at each shot. The zooms from the snipers POV, that tight close up of Joker when he finally does what he has written on his helmet is real, raw and emotional filmmaking. I'm so glad you mentioned Cruise's vulnerability in Eyes Wide Shut, I've had so many negative comments about my take saying that its a surface analysis and that its about so much more and I'm wrong about how I feel, and I guess there is so much more in it to be honest lol But my take was always how I related to Bill's vulnerability and the feelings that he must be going through, for me its his best role. And the movie is all about the complexity of human emotions and the war inside of us all, as we wrestle with out own feelings. Thanks again for watching and sharing your comments I really enjoyed reading your take.
Am I the only one who’s tired of seeing TH-camrs butchering the meaning of eyes wide shut.. I understand people have different views but this was such a shallow take of the movie :(
K put the “deep meaning” right in your eyes. Exaggerated masked cult scenes: Scibot Cruise “stuck” while Kidman got out. Party scene: alcohol/ drugs used by H’wood, Scibots & “fraternities” for blackmail. G. Clooney gave hints: must attend long drawn out parties with his competitors + alcohol, drugs are perfect opportunities for control/ blackmail of future stars. IMO, this is what happened to Cruise before this movie. Happened to me: so-called girlfrienenemy just happened to be born the same day as my mom? Hey, it’s possible…no need for nefarious conspiracy…etc.
Would Bill be Kubrick struggling and trying to fit in Hollywood but death took him away and ironically the girl from the party might be also him as the outcomes from knowing too much and saying too much, alerting us? Anyway… after 2 years still a nice essay and also chilling conspiracy theory in the comments.
Might be not a pathway you want to go down, but as you stated, Bill didn't want to go down that road (after seeing the Rainbow Fashions owner give his daughter up). However, as bill is distracted by Alice near the end, Alice DOES let their child be lead away, by the same men who were at Zeigler's first party.
So far out of the videos I've seen, you the did the best job covering the main themes, too many videos are getting distracted with details and missing the bigger picture., Interesting they don't see that, hence the title of the movie. Simply put: Bill's worldview or reality gets shattered. He attempts to reconstruct his worldview based on how he "thinks" the "elite" do things. But he quickly comes to realize that this is a very bad idea, and the ideals of the "elite" are not what he really wants. Bill represents the upper middle class social climbers, who suddenly become aware of a "dark side" they are dealing with. The big question is: do they (Bill) continue to enable or ignore what they have "accidently" become aware of, Or do they just decide to forget it all.
Thanks for watching. I agree to an extent, I definitely think that Bill was out to get revenge and wanted to get his own back for the imagined affair. The more and more I think about it these days, the line from Harlan about it being about the sexual jealousy of the mind, makes me think its all a fantasy just like Alice's affair was. I'm starting to think he blocked himself in his own mind, like some kind of instinct kicks in every time he gets interrupted in one of his attempts at revenge ,like the phone call when he is with Domino or the husband returning at his patients house. No definite answers yet but it's something I've been considering more and more lately. But I think you are right that he was all in at first. Thanks again your comments are much appreciated.
Wow this is like the only video on TH-cam that's an actual deconstruction and analysis every other video is just the TH-camr running down the plot and in like last minute talking about how there may be scenes and s*** missing
Thanks for watching. I wanted to make a few videos about Kubrick, so I figured I should start with a run down and analysis of the whole movie first lol I'm glad you think the deconstruction worked. I thinks its a technique I will do more in the future, thanks again for watching.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema about to watch part 2,glad to see you covered the conspiracy stuff too. Definitely think the cult was real and evil and not just an act like tom cruise's character is told. Also think the ending is intentionally ambiguous about whether their daughter is kidnapped or not.
Thanks for watching. With his Meting Nick, I think it's a story device and he represents the boatman to the forbidden place. Bill is out to get some kind of revenge on Alice and see’s this as something to take his mind of the infidelity she had in her mind. But as you say there are also many interesting theories that say that Nick is part of it and it’s all a big set up. In the novel the protagonist wonders at this and thinks at one point that he is being laughed at and is part of a big game, pretty cool theories.
nice commentary on nick; if you look at the background in 9:21 you can see the place is called SONATA Jazz. SONATA could easily be an anagram for SATANO
Thanks for watching and I'm so pleased you mentioned the music it took me a while to write something with the right feel lol I'm always up for watching Lynch, I've been planning something on Lost Highway for a while. LH and Eraserhead were my two favourites growing up. I mention Lynch a little in a video I did a while back called 'Lynch & Hitchcock: Developing Ideas' you might find it interesting. Its only half about Lynch and mostly looks at Inland Empire and Lynch's ideas development. But I'm definitely up for doing something more on Lynch in he near future. Thanks again.
Alice tells Bill she would have left him and her daughter for another man - if the other man just said the word. Bill doesn't like that, and who would? I don't know why everybody changes this to "Alice had a fantasy".
The New York in the film is a studio set, not the real New York. Hence, we cannot conclude that rear-projection was used, and there are several indicators that it is not.
Thanks for your comments. Their are a few on set photographs of Cruise walking on a treadmill in front of screens of different colours so maybe that's how they did it? Their is projection when Bill is in the cab I believe maybe green screen? Most of the street shots were around Hatton Garden and some in Chelsea in London I think. Do you have any ideas how Kubrick got that look behind Bill walking if it wasn't projection? Thanks for watching.
Bill could have slept with the costumer's daughter. I think you overlook the Freudian aspects of the novel and the film. Are dreams of infidelity equivalent to actual infidelity? Bill's unrealized infidelity is no more consequential than Alice's dreams of infidelity, yet both produce feelings of guilt. Whether the Mansion was a playground for the rich (ahem, Jeffrey Epstein) or a criminal conspiracy to silence Bill, the doctor's sense of guilt leads him to perceive threats. So much of this is Freudian symbolism.
Loved this but....what was frustrating to me was having to explain to my friends the movie itself the symbolism the colors the actual meaning etc sort of like Shakespeare lol (not knocking my friends but they didnt get it) 7:10 this was a great film and Kidman's performance IMO was what led to their divorce her scene in the bedroom was outstanding and very very true (what she was explaining to him) I could go on and on but its nice to see that you watch films the same way I do ❤❤
I know what you mean lol I was so passionate about this movie I think all my friends got sick of me talking about it lol It became such a personal film to me some of the themes really hit home about the characters, infidelity (even in the mind lol) and heartbreak. Great movie, I still think its a little underrated even for a Kubrick film lol
Thanks for watching and for your comments. I’ve had a few conversations about this with others too, many have mentioned this in consideration as to why the film is set at Christmas as this bears no or little relation to the source novel, so the emphasis must be for a reason. There are elements of sacrifice and self-punishment in the film that of course have biblical aspects and the film could be about temptation. We may also consider that Bill has a cathartic realisation and is taken through the open door. It is a very interesting interpretation and one that could be spoken about more in depth. It great to hear different interpretations, Do you have any more thought on this?. Thanks again.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema It's difficult to talk about, because it is doubtful we have the same experiences. But my experiences are "last century", same as Stanley's. A few points - we see a Sociology textbook in Domino's bedroom. The nineties were a time when there were a number of major magazine articles pitching the idea that sex work was a good way for a girl to pay her college bills. Girls were doing it, there was nothing wrong with it, they enjoyed their work. I remember reading articles like this. (This would be completely unacceptable to Christians.) Then, Millich I believe, is on one very subliminal level, a Jesus figure. Beard, long hair, (bath)robe. His switch from the first scene with the Asian men to the second scene says it all. He has changed. He has accepted the unacceptable. This is equivalent to all the changes Christianity embraced just last century - sex before marriage, shacking up, illegitimate kids, divorce, homosexuality (in some churches), gay marriage was coming in at that time. What upset the Christian grandparents didn't upset the boomer grandchildren. Also, Christmas is, apparently, only about wrapping presents, shopping for presents, waiting for presents, asking for presents. Nothing more. Oh, I would say, at that time, taking your kid to see the Nutcracker performed would have been considered what a good, college educated mother did at Christmastime. (Alice doesn't take her kid to the ballet, so I would rate her as not trying very hard to be a good mother.) How the Grinch Stole Christmas is the book on the table during the breakfast scene with the TV, the cartoon, and Alice reading the paper. I think this is a social engineering comment. There may be a subliminal Grinch face or two hidden in plain sight in the film.
@@watermelonlalala Thanks for getting back to me on this and sorry for the late reply. I appreciate the care and thought that you put into your answer. My favourite thing about movies is how we can all watch the same work and have a different interpretation and also share evidence to support it and discuss it. I was raised in a catholic environment and as you say, I feel that does often effect the way that I interpret and experience work. This is especially true in the way that I see character realisation as catharsis and sometimes how I relate to characters punishing themselves for their sins. I’m 100% with you on Dominos’ character. I always believed that was definitely an intention, looking at set dressing such as books is a key aspect that Kubrick used in a lot of his work to let us know the internal dialogue of characters. Similar in Clockwork orange when we see the inside of Alex’s head when we enter his bedroom. I do believe Domino is a reflection of the treatment of women in the media of the late 90’s. Kubrick was very astute at letting the zeitgeist of the times subliminally seep into his work and was often at the forefront of exploring media as a tool for controlling public opinion, I visited the Kubrick archives at LCC in London and Kubrick’s research papers and books show that subliminal messages were always on Kubrick’s mind, throughout almost all of his film projects. There are literally mountains of boxes which contain his reading lists and influences. I appreciate you sharing Your thoughts on the subliminal look of Millich, as you say our experiences are different and I would never have thought of the character that way, had we not had this conversation. I really appreciate you sharing you thoughts and helping me learn how others interpret film. For me this is what starting this channel is all about. Thanks again if you have any more thoughts please let me know, it’s great to discuss and learn from others perspective. Cheers.
What if his wife didn't call when he was with Domino? What if he didn't leave his costume receipt in his coat pocket at the party? What if Domino didn't have AIDS? It takes only a small jolt to shake one out of a dream, but it takes a stronger jolt once one ventures farther into the dream.
The film is a metaphor for the typical American upper middle class male who believes in the American dream and doesn’t realize that he is being manipulated by elites just as he would have been in the old world order of European nobility. The first clue is the movie poster itself where Bill is kissing his wife and his eyes are shut however her right eye 👁️ is open like the one atop the pyramid. The title could be a metaphor for something that is happening right in front of us but because of the dream we don’t see it but Bills wife sees it because she is a part of it and is trying to trap Bill into the CULT of the elites. She purposely tells him of her fantasy knowing it will drive him over the edge and into the arms of the prostitute who was a setup. Everything that happened afterwards was designed to bring him to the mansion ritual. This is observable by the fact that his friend Ziegler was at the ritual also. How coincidental is that. His wife was aware of the whole plot which is indicative of her right eye 👁️ being open on the movie poster. And she probably put the mask on the bed unless we are to believe that someone snuck into her bedroom and then snuck out unnoticed. So in conclusion I suspect that Kubrick was trying to tell us that nothing has changed and that the American dream is really a nightmare of deception.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Fantastic analysis of the visuals especially the poster. I really enjoyed reading this, its great to hear a precise and well thought out interpretation, delivered in an intellectual and friendly way. I agree that Alice put the mask on the pillow although I think it is a visual metaphor for everyone having two sides in essence Bill is just as two faced as Alice is. Fantastic to read this and I hope you will return to The Boneyard and comment in the future. Thanks again.
Wow, loved your insight into Nick Nightingale being a dark magician, a boatman to a forbidden place. That reminded me of professor Marvel from 'Wizard of Oz' with his crystal ball and Dorothy wanting to go on the road with him... Is Bill a good man? Bill has 5 opportunities to commit adultery in the film. 1. with the two girls at Zeigler's party, 2. with Marion the grieving woman 3. with the prostitute 4. with the prostitute's friend 5. At the orgy party. To me it feels only by shear chance at times Bill eludes to following through with the act and not steered away by morality/ethics or love for his wife. Whether Bill is overseen by some form of divine intervention or the movie plays out in the dream realm, he seems more compelled to cheat on his wife as a form of revenge. I personally feel the movie would of been much deeper if he followed through with the act of infidelity, be seduced and somehow find redemption in the process or not at all.
Hi G-Funk thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. I agree, Bill is out for revenge when he walks the city. It’s interesting that you mention there might be forces at work. It does seem like the world is out to get him for a time. For example, when the drunken jocks bump into him on the street and question his masculinity, that must be devastating for Bill especially after his wife has just implied that he may not enough for her. He can’t satisfy his wife, now he can’t defend himself. I think Bill is knocked down from his pedestal and is at the most vulnerable he has been for a long time and that’s when our resolve can be tested the most and the forces of good and bad can affect us and our choices. Interesting thoughts.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema Yeah well said John. I find it hard to sympathise with the Bill character as it feels he never really overcomes the challenges faced before him, just manages by shear luck to evade/survive his escapades along with being confused as to what happened to Nick Nightingale or whether the girl at the party was murdered or merely overdosed from cocaine, which for me gives more credence to the dream world narrative. Always left me wanting more from this film. *In similar contrast to Bill, the family man Marty Hart from 'True Detective' season 1 is a good example of where they delve more deeply into similar themes and kept me returning for multiple viewings.
Pause at 16:40 Alice looks like she has some kind of hairy goat face. The white patch in front of her face kind of looks like a big witch face. And there is some kind of fuzzy looking animal looking over Bill's shoulder - maybe a lamb or a pig kind of creature. Not cute, though.
Thanks for watching. Yeah the first time I watched the film I was a little too young to understand the emotional side, but as I say, this is a movie that requires multiple viewings. When I returned to Eyes Wide Shut as an adult, which is what I explore in the second half of the video, it hit me in the gut with an emotional punch. In the later half of the video, I get away from the technical side of filmmaking and discuss the emotional effect that it had on me as I got older with the movie and how the meaning of the film changed for me as I experienced similar situations and feelings in my own relationships. Thanks again for watching.
My bad lol I'm not the clearest speaker in the world but I actually do say 'when she says they need to go home and sleep together' at 16:20 I must have misspoken that other time. I hope it didn't spoil your enjoyment of the film. Thanks again.
Thanks for watching. Well spotted with Milich's daughter I missed that one lol the plot thickens. Such a great movie, every time we watch it we learn something new. Thanks for the comments.
Thanks for watching. I agree with you that there is evidence to the contrary for example Bill being a very professional doctor in the examination scenes and being interrupted or deciding not to have affairs when he has the chance or is offered too. Bill flirting at Zeigler's party with the two models is what I refer to as the evidence of Bill flirting and at least having those kind of thoughts too. At least thats how I see it, but as I say this is my personal take on it and how I relate to EWS personally but I can see where you are coming from and respect it. Thanks for sharing your comments its much appreciated.
I need to watch this movie again. I saw it when it came out and I thought it was a lot of talking and drama that never led to any kind of resolution. I always wondered why Tom Cruze didn't just rush the red cult leader and pull his mask off. If that was me I would assume they'd kill me anyway so why not at least find out who's in charge.
Thanks for watching. Yeah that's an interesting point, it is a scene that is pretty hard to watch especially when they ask him to disrobe, as it kind of leaves a lump in your throat and you think what would I do in that situation. A pretty tense scene. I hope you enjoy it when you re-watch and please let me know if you feel the same way after another viewing. Thanks for your comments its much appreciated.
Personally I think Alice finds the mask and places it there to show Bill that he is not innocent in all this and like her he is two faced and has fantasies about infidelity too. But again there are many cool theories that image that Alice in is on the game and is also setting Bill up. Many fans also theorise that the people from the mansion party place the mask there for a warning to Bill, that he must heed their words of warning ‘There will be dire consequences’ and they are watching. There are so many interpretations out there, it’s such a complex and interesting movie, so cool. Thanks again.
Thanks for watching, yeah its a strange performance. I've been writing a video for a while looking at the movie from Alice's perspective to attempt to see the movie from another angle. So many commenters have taught me so much about different ways to look at the film other than my own its awesome! But, yeah I know what you mean about her performance, especially for me, in the scene where she tells Bill about her fantasies. She is supposed to be stoned and that ain't what stoned looks like or feels like at all lol That scene really took me out of the story for a while because of it. Its such a great film, who knows maybe one day we'll see it and her performance will click lol One thing is for sure this movie sure stays with you :) Thanks again.
Thank you for confirming that scene. That is one scene that stuck out the most to me about Nicole Kidman's "acting". There's also a scene soon after it where she's supposed to act tipsy, she fails at that too. I can watch the ritual scene over and over with that incredible music. I really enjoyed your video. @@johnrenneysboneyardcinema
Scientology non ha nessuna relazione con il film Eyes Wide shut,quella è la propaganda di Lawrence wright pullizter edi sx e Alex gibney HBO sx che riceve spesso telefonate da Obama in persona per game of Thrones 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for watching. I'm really pleased you got something out of it. Kubrick is a great filmmaker theres so much to say about his work, its hard to know where to start, so I just thought I'd go with my gut feelings on this one lol It's such an important film for me. Thanks again and thanks for sharing your comments.
Just finished watching the film, I’ve seen it in parts before but never really sat down and actually watched the whole thing and now that I did, I checked TH-cam for more information on it because when I really like something I want to know more. I’ve already seen a couple of videos on it and they were intriguing but really enjoyed your analysis on it and will definitely be subscribing to your channel. Thank you! 😊
Thanks for watching and thank you so much for supporting the channel! I'm really pleased you enjoyed the analysis. Its such a personal and important film to me. Thanks again.
Thanks for this commentary. In this and other analyses I've seen, no one makes the point that Alice, who admits to having fantasies, turns down the older man and the party, when she could easily have indulged herself without Bill ever finding out. Bill, who denies his darker thoughts, is the one who goes through one shocking experience after another. He finally realizes that it's not the fantasy or dark thought that is the issue, but the active decision not to act out on these thoughts that makes the person who they are.
That last sentence was very well said
Very good Thanks
If I may add something, in all moments of temptation, we actually don't know what Bill would have done. He doesn't clearly refuse the forbidden fruit because each time his choice gets interrupted. Before he sleeps with Domino, Alice calls. When he tries to proceed with Domino's friend, she stops to tell him that Alice is HIV positive. At the house, the prostitute chooses him not to sleep with him, but to warn him that he's in danger, and she does this twice, even stealing him from another prostitute to warn him a second time. She seems to have chosen him specifically because he stuck out like a sore thumb, for reasons that Ziegler later pointed out, and also because he was wearing a Volto mask, which in Venetian balls was a "commoner's" mask. So in truth, it wasn't Bill's good character and will power that spared him; it was external intervention.
As for the costume seller, it's very likely that he was trafficking his own daughter, and in order to cover it up the night before they played it off as if he "caught" her. He, like the upper classes, is running a human trafficking ring. This ties in to the end as Bill's own daughter gets led away by the two strange men.
My interpretation of the film is that failing to protect high values, even in the mind, leads one down a dark path of chain events that initiate an unstoppable outcome of evil.
Thanks for your comments. That's really interesting about Bill's mask being that of a commoner, that fits in with a few other thoughts I've had about Bill being a social climber,and of course some of the themes in the original novel. What you mention about intervention is really cool and interesting too. I was just talking earlier with a commenter about the parallels with a Christmas Carol, and how the film could be looked at as a fable, and how it could be about Bill and his life choices. Really interesting points, much appreciated.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema This movie certainly makes for great conversation. I think you got it right about Bill being a social climber, which his choice of mask reflects. And also this movie being a fable about choices.
One other interesting point is the question of who the true villain is. In my opinion, it's Alice. She was unable to manage her own jealousy at seeing Bill with two attractive females - even though she herself was with an attractive man at the time - and she immediately projected infidelity on to Bill. Worse, she proceeded to drag out her own desires for infidelity, so she planted the seed of insecurity and jealousy in Bill. She killed his faith and trust in her, sending him out into the night, where he found real darkness. And even though he narrowly escaped in body (only through the sacrificial act of the prostitute), he has now made his family a target for the society probably forever. All because Alice was unable to manage her own unfounded, projected jealousy. Even at the end, she is unable to give him the security that their marriage is forever. She loves him only for the moment. And she will string him along like this, seeding uncertainty in him, controlling his emotional state according to her needs.
@@Amadeus_2061It sure is a great movie, more so than the critics gave it credit for I think. I agree, Its definitely a film about jealousy. Jan Harlan Kubrick's producer said it was 'a film about the sexual jealously of the mind'. And like you say, I think Alice did sow the seeds of jealousy and allowed for doubt and more darkness to enter their lives. Bill and Alice are their own worse enemies, they have everything but still need to create this awful drama in their lives to fill the void. It is a story of the darkness within us indeed. And those words you mention 'I love you for this moment' say it all. It's all about the games we play. Kubrick definitely did want us to talk about this one lol There's a lot say.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema He sure did! I watched this again last night alongside The Devil's Advocate. Boy, do these two films complement each other in theme!
I pretty much agree. Don't know about their daughter being taken. The two men could be extras but... we all know where are the little ones going. Not in detail like Epstein and because of that we are alive and he isn't.
I always liked this film even in 1999 when there has been many audience hated it. I feel this film has got many messages. From class system, even the scene with Alice educating her daughter about marrying rich men. Even the rich cult groups like in Eyes Wide Shut seemed to exist all the round the world. Great video.
Thanks John, I thought It was under rated too when it came out, a lot of my favourite critics like Kermode, still don't seem to give it much attention but I always thought it was the most personal of Kubrick's films, I really relate to it. Like you say, there is so much more to be said about it. I might even do a part 2 to this video in the future, It's a film that's open to so many interpretations and that's when movies get really interesting lol
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema Eyes Wide Shut is one most analyse films. I remember there was some people that hated Eyes Wide Shut because of a named Hollywood star which I thought was stupid.
I always felt Nicole Kidman's Alice was a stronger performance who I felt manipulated Tom Cruise's which Kubrick had taken Cruise out of his comfort zone.
I would of been interesting to see how Harvey Keitel original portrayal of the Sidney Pollack part. From watching Pollack portrayal of Bill's friend is quite like a mentor or father figure which is quite more shocking how sinister Pollack. Whereas Keitel is known for dark complex roles.
Again I always like this film it feels like a journey a dream. Looking forward to part 2.
@@ninfilmsTom Cruise is the same guy in every movie with a few exceptions. Nicole Kidman is actually a phenomenal actor who would later go on to win an Oscar, whereas Cruise not so much. I’m pretty sure thats why Kubrick picked them. That reality definitely shows through in the scene where Alice gets high and basically cucks Bill through telling him her fantasy(flawless performance by Kidman). And this theme is continued through the whole movie where Bill is continuously getting cucked whenever he gets close to having sexual contact with someone other than Alice
Eyes Wide Shut should be listed as a documentary I still think this is his most personal and truthful films. It's a warning !
Thanks for watching. I definitely agree. It's a study of the games we play and our inner most thoughts and feelings. It's about our personal responsibilities to each other and to ourselves. And I think part of the warning is that you need to think about how you live and how the slightest words or even thoughts can effects those close to you and have consequences. I'm with you, on that I think its Kubrick's most personal work. Great Movie. Thanks for your comments.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema Thanks and I would go further in that he is showing us what has and still goes on. Do you think that a man as smart as Mr Kubrick knowingly included the irony of his actors religious beliefs as a kind of irony ? Thanks for responding. 🥡4🤔
I feel it helps to look at this film in terms of who is the protagonist/antagonist. Typically these are clear but not in a Kubrick film. Bill starts as the protagonist but is living in a superficial dream state. He has everything he believes make a valuable and fulfilling life. He believes he's done all the right things until he's faced with Alice's fantasy. His night out experiences present him with opportunities to see what's real- both good and bad. It's like A Christmas Carol, except ultimately Bill chooses to return to his empty superficial marriage making him the main antagonist. Granted Alice is definitely an antagonist as she values (even from the start of the movie) what the people at the party represent (total depravity), but because we see through Bill's perspective, it is his choices that matter most.
Thanks for watching and your comments. I agree with many of your points especially on A Christmas Carol. I think this is a very important part of the story and is perhaps why the film is set at Christmas. You can easily find evidence to show that Bill is shown a glimpse of his past, present and future, surrogating the ghosts for who you wish, be it Domino, Zeigler or Millitch you can take your pick. This narrative structure has been used in storytelling, filmmaking and most importantly to Eyes Wide Shut, fables since storytelling began. Thanks for your well thought out interpretation, much appreciated.
This is closest to my interpretation. Thats why I don't get it why people think this move is so deep when it's quite simplistic. From the start its clear that he is living a fake life and has a hint of the truth only when his wife is stoned and shows her true contempt for him. I also disagree about idea most people say that it's his perspective, maybe about clean plastic world in the bkg that he thinks is great but in general what he thinks and what Kubrick is showing us as viewers about his wife first is in total contrast; His wife hates him and seems to remain blind about it until the end. He goes on a journey where he thinks he is doing good stuff but at the end choses to go back to a lie. Practically all women in the movie show some sort of positive emotion to him except his wife. I think that mask represents literally that his wife is one of whores random people were fucking at that orgy. The only question is why is he still a cuck? Maybe he is too afraid or so lost that he just can't comprehend reality even after things he saw that night.
@@frozen1762 the fact the his wife is at the party is interesting. It fits metaphorically but she was not at that party, at least. She call him to go home and was home when he arrived. Another thing is that she was drunk and even drunk she refuses to go with the older man at the beginning. She could do a little bit of whoring but chooses not to.
@@frozen1762Like your analysis on EWS. IMO at the end, the daughter is going off with those guys from the party. Also, there are many occult symbols in the toy store. Have heard 24 minutes were removed. Maybe Bill did join them, which his wife was manipulating him to do. That’s why she will have sex with him. And why the daughter is wandering off - the sacrifice of the first born.
Was watching Eli Roth’s series on horror movies. He interviewed Steven King. King thought Kubrick destroyed his The Shining story. King was an alcoholic when he wrote it. Jack is one. In the book, Jack sacrifices himself to save his family. He redeems himself. In the movie, Kubrick had Jack personify evil. No redemption. Some fun facts. When Jack originally shows up, a Playgirl is on the table in the entry. Jack picks it up. Kubrick also added a scene with 2 guys seen through an open door, one was in a dog costume on his knees. In EWS, the young guys say Bill is homosexual. If unnecessary for the story, why have them?
" she values (even from the start of the movie) what the people at the party represent (total depravity)," -> What caused you to conclude that besides the drinking and the pot?
Brilliant job, mate. Eyes Wide Shut is my favorite kind of movie...a thought provoking morality tale wrapped inside, ostensibly, a horror film. Exactly the kind that stays with you over time. So glad I discovered your channel
Thanks for watching. I agree its such a great movie, so much more than most of the critics gave it credit for. Over the years its become one of my most watched Kubrick movies. Thanks again.
I didn't care for it when I saw it at the cinema in 1999, but after watching it a 2nd time in 2023, it felt like a totally different movie. As you say, our life experiences change our perspective and art hits us differently over time. @@johnrenneysboneyardcinema
Alice is 'The Pink Panther', a big predatory cat that preys on birds and rabbits at night. The clues are hidden in plain view, embedded into props, gestures, words, numbers, colours, lights and the music. Actors put their noses on clues or point at them with their elbows, index fingers in passing motions, etc. Kubrick would sometimes be happy after 2 takes but in many cases would do say, 80 takes... to get the clues lined up just right, appearing and disappearing, with camera movement and the movements of the actors. Alice has people killed, including Lou, Domino, Mandy, Nick, Bill and Helena.
Bill wasn't actually going to cheat with Gayle and Nuala, nor was he tempted. He puts his hands out, putting on the brakes, stopping them and insisting, where exactly would that be, saying it depends where it is. They were sent by Alice to make Bill look bad, distract him and to keep his attention off of Alice herself. Alice has sex with Harris just after the first dance at the party. Harris is the 6'3" man that works for Victor. Alice checks him out when she and Bill walk into the ballroom and Harris bobs, just slightly, very easy to miss, moving his arms, up and down.
Bill is profiled by Alice, knowing all his weaknesses, doubts, habits and curiosity. She and Victor plan out a series of staged situations to lure Bill into. Through these experiences, he's tortured to death, and will finally die physically later. The 6 guys that attack him on the street and impugn his manhood, the woman selecting him at Somerton and being taken from him in less than 1 minute, and coming back to Bill without her panties on, Sally telling Bill that Domino has HIV when Domino has actually been murdered, etc. It's all to weaken Bill, to terrify him, torture him and nearly paralyze him and so that he will blame himself when Helena's abducted. He will implode, maybe even kill himself and Alice will seem like a blameless victim, getting lots of life insurance and free to keep going to gangbang orgies. She's at Somerton, in the circle then in a wig, by the fireplace, having sex on a man's back for Bill to watch.
Rainbow Fashions is all planned and staged for Bill to find. Milich says 5 times that he'll kill his daughter (Leelee). It's said facing her, away from Bill but the threat is actually towards Bill. It's to confuse him and unconsciously/subconsciously terrify him and weaken him. Milich taunts Bill the next day, fake offering him Leelee for sex but it really means that Milich probably had illegal contact with Bill's daughter, Helena, at Somerton as she was there. It's all an act, with an indirect message and intent, meant to cause Bill huge confusion and conflicting ideas and emotions.
Bill's love with Domino was real and mutual, hence the green lens flare 'emerald' that appears on Bill in Domino's last shot.
The film ends with 'the kiss of the Pink Panther', a pink light behind Bill, but by his mouth. After Alice says 'F**k.' Kubrick exposes this pink light, just a tiny bit more, to make the point, then the screen goes black and the credits and Shostakovich piece play.
Alice wouldn't say 'forever' because she knows it's not.
It is physical for Alice, listen to how she describes seeing the young naval officer: after just a glance she was so wet and tingly, her vagina was so on fire, she 'could hardly move'. She gets all that and much more through the Somerton sex group.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your detailed interpretation, there's so much here to think about and look out for next time we watch. Loads of interesting stuff, I really appreciate you taking the time to share this, much appreciated. It's such a great movie so much going on and so many different interpretations, loads to think about here. Thanks again.
Great 👍 info. In the scene at the hotel lobby a person walks by who looks just like Peter Sellers dressed as inspector Clouseau from the Pink Panther movies. I just thought maybe it was a nod to Peter Sellers but now that I’ve read your post maybe it represents much more.
Stanley would adore watching you struggle over his mechanisms.
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Nick was their point man, he was a way to get Bill 'in' for them to blackmail in the future.
Alice was already in.
Thanks for the comments. It’s a theory I can get behind. It makes total sense if you look at the film from the ‘Most Dangerous Game’ point of view. This suggests that Bill is being played like a pawn in a game. It’s very prevalent in the novella to the point where the protagonists inner dialogue asks himself ‘is this all a game’ and he wonders if he is being played and laughed at by the upper class for amusement. It’s an age-old story line when dealing with class or a fall from grace, see The Most Dangerous Game or a modern retelling in The Game. I think looking at Kubrick’s return to noirish tone and tropes in the film more than suggests this classical story line of a man caught in a game could be part of it and could be explored. Cheers and thanks for watching.
Yes, he helped Zigler with the prostitute in the beginning. They have to tie up loose ends or make sure Bill cannot use that against them
While a interesting twist, there is just not enough evidence of such a thing and absolutely against the end temporary resolution.
I appreciate your take on Eyes Wide Shut since I slept through it.
You missed one of the biggest piles of poop ever put on film🫢
Well done, this reflects the thought that you have put into the film, rather than jumping on some of the crazy bandwagons that this film has prompted. Like you I read the source book and anyone who wants to make serious comments about the film would be well advised to do the same, because it debunks the idea that Kubrick had insider knowledge into secret societies.
Thanks for watching. Yeah, I really enjoyed the book I was surprised at how much Kubrick had taken directly from the source material sometimes word for word. As it was a short read I think it was an excellent choice for adaptation and worked really well on the screen done by Kubrick. There was another TV movie version done in the 60's that was a pretty good adaptation but no where near as good as EWS lol
Thank you young man for your thoughts. There are many levels that this film reflects. Repeated viewing has its rewards. Bill comes to see that he is not as ‘on top of things’ throughout the film, as he might have previously thought. There are levels, to this game of life, and both his wife, and the deeper aspects of how power can manifest within his world, has him seeing he is not as all powerful as he might have previously presumed.
Thanks for watching. Its such an emotionally charged film and I agree 100% that its about the game of life and the games we play with each other. And the revelation from Alice, catches him off guard and knocks Bill off his feet. Its as if he has become complacent in life and it takes this night of emotional turmoil to keep him in check and realise what he actually has and how everything including love, life and family is so fragile and can break if you take them for granted. And as you say he is not as important, powerful or unbreakable as he thinks. Its a very important story to me as I think it explores what it means to be in a relationship and what it means to be a complex emotional being, beautiful work. Thanks again for watching and sharing your thoughts, much appreciated.
thank you for your thoughts ... this film continues to deliver - many blessings to you@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema
In a nice dovetail, Todd Field, who played Nick Nightingale, would write and direct Tár. I believe that if Stanley Kubrick were alive, he would have been very proud of him for making that film.
6:20 So many analysts miss the point. It isn't about fantasies of others, it was the callous way she said she would throw away their marriage and her child. Bill never fantasizes about anything like that. We even see him near lascivious women, but never able to consummate.
Even after realizing his wife is cold blooded, Bill is fair/generous to everyone he meets.
this film is more than just a movie and nobody seems to notice that bill was exposing exactly what goes on in hollywood
Thanks for watching and sharing your comments. I was recently watching a pod with a celebrity guest who actually talked about visiting 'Eyes Wide Shut' style happenings. I think there are a lot of Hollywood and media based undercurrents in Kubrick's films. Think of the news and media representation of the newspaper Joker works for and the film crew trying to make a war film in the middle of a real war in Full Metal Jacket.
I recently had a conversation in the comments about the casting of Cruise and kidman and what that could represent and I'm petty sure this is a critical look at Hollywood. The depiction of Domino and how women are portrayed in the film, I think is also a very critical look at on screen representation in Hollywood of the 90's.
Thanks again for taking the time to comment much appreciated.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema what podcast? Thanks for your videos
@@mitchelleroberson I think it was Joe Rogan's podcast. He was talking about an experience actor Dave Chapelle had if I remember correctly. Not a great story but worth a listen. For fans like us lol
I'm not at all sure that an expose of Hollywood was a theme. Johnrenney said that he read the source novel, and I think that anyone who is really interested in the film should do the same. Schnitzler was working in Vienna at the same time as Freud. Freud apparently turned down an opportunity to meet Schnitzler worried that he might meet his doppelganger. Freud of course was looking at what drives the human psyche, and the book is similarly fascinated with psychosexuality, the life of dreams and fantasy, the link between sex and death. I would suggest that this was also the main fascination for Kubrick too, so reducing this to an expose of Hollywood is stretching it too much.
There is so much focus on Hollywood and the wealthy elite that everyone ignores the tree stump in their own front yard. Organized sex parties take place in middle-class America every day. People choose to focus on Hollywood because it is an easy target that the "normal" people wish to cast spiteful aspersions upon. The only thing different about Hollywood is that they have a better club house and better looking people.
yo you did a tremendous job on this video. thank you.
Thanks for choosing to watch The Boneyard with so many other videos on Eyes Wide Shut out there! I've always found it to be a very personal work and with all the conspiracy theories out there I just wanted to give my opinion. I love listening to all the theories and opinions about Kubrick's work. Its so great there are so many interpretations. Thanks again.
The ending was perfect the future don’t exist all we have is the moment
This is the best overall analysis on this film I’ve seen. Great work. I’d love to hear your thoughts on the final scene in the film where their daughter is seen walking towards the two older gentlemen while they ignore her and isn’t seen again. In your analysis, you say that Bill realizes he wouldn’t be the kind of person to sell out his daughter, but the final scene implies that he is or at least he’s focused on something else leaving his daughter to wander into that kind of life.
Thanks for watching and for your kind and thoughtful comments. This is a tuff one lol
I’ve thought about it quite a bit over the years. I think you can say that there is an element or sub plot of the film that is about the concept of grooming. This could be evidenced in the way that the Milich’s daughter mirrors the prostitute that Bill meets. I’m positive that their similarities were intended for us to be seen by Kubrick. The colours used in their scenes, the stance of the characters is almost identical, and I think it’s implied that Milich’s daughter will turn into a version of that prostitute. You could say she is groomed by the powerful or suited men she is seen with, and this is enabled by Milich for personal gain.
If you follow down that line of thinking, showing the character of Bill’s daughter being lured away at the end could be considered the beginning of that grooming cycle. To back up the grooming theory being part of the film, I think there is evidence to say that Bill is also being groomed by Ziegler. Part of the definition of being groomed is “the way that people can be coerced and silenced by people who are charismatic and powerful” and I think that definitely applies to Bill’s relationship with Ziegler and is evidenced in the dialogue when Ziegler tells him “This is between us”.
There is a lot that can be interpreted from the end scene, like the fact it takes place in a toy store at Christmas. This could mean that Bill and Alice buy love from their daughter rather than earn it. I think the fact that she wanders away unattended by Bill, implies that he needs to be less selfless and look after his family, he needs to learn the lesson that having a family means giving away part of yourself, his life is not just about him anymore. I could go on lol but there’s so much to say.
Anyway, that’s kind of my theory on Bills daughter in the end. I’m not committed to it, but I do think there is a sub plot of grooming in the story and if Bill’s daughter is snatched after the camera stops rolling, I think it could be suggesting that this is the beginning of the grooming cycle followed by Milich’s daughter, the prostitute and then the dead girl is where they may end up. Just a fan theory of mine, but I hope that helps answer your question. Thanks again.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema thank you for your response. I do believe in the grooming side plot due to all the hints you mentioned. The only thing I gather from the end is that even though Bill resist temptation multiple times when it comes to cheating on his wife, he still is heading towards being a character just like Milich. He wants to believe he wouldn’t be like that but his daughter walking towards those gentleman without him noticing, symbolizes this, I believe. He might be incapable of cheating on his wife, but he still has his demons when it comes to his daughter. The ending might seem positive at first glance, but I think it’s actually very tragic. I like the idea of Ziegler grooming Bill too. I’ve never thought about it that way. I’ve always seen Ziegler as someone Bill wants to be like, but once he is given the opportunity, Bill’s conscience doesn’t allow him to. Thanks again for your reply.
@@dwezel No problem thanks for getting back, I love to talk movies especially ones as layered as 'Eyes'. I agree, I definitely think that the film is a tragedy, the ending leaves me with an empty feeling. Bill and Alice have everything people wish for, yet they make there own tragedy and drama between themselves. And like you say, in the end it's to late and Bill will never have absolutes, just like Alice tells him he can't even be sure of her love. I think its one of Kubrick's most layered films. The man certainly knew how to get us to think.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema Alice is shown literally grooming her daughter
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I also see the setting in motion of a pattern relative to when bill treats the od woman, he saves her life, then it appears that the same woman offers herself as a sacrifice when Bill is revealed. They tell him that what is promised there cannot be changed. So far he hasn't done anything wrong, however at the end scene with their daughter there's a game called the magic circle, I believe what he doesn't realise is that her sacrifice for his life means there is a very real debt that will now need to be repaid by his daughter. Something has been created through a kind of black magic. I'm not convinced he does get to walk away without consequences of his actions. He's stumbled into something way over his head and doesn't even realise the implications that he's now set in motion for future generations.
I think an aspect of the story is be careful of falling into a hellish world which is your own creation through lower choices and desire.
There's also a few references at the end, obviously there's a significant amount of symbolism to the goat and Capricorn, in the context of this film the rituals are all about the beastly aspect of desire and lust not the higher version of divine union. Then there is also the bear and the Barbie, two things the daughter picks up in the store. The Bear is symbolic of winter solstice and the darkness/ hibernation in the cave and the Barbie is plastic. Pretty on the outside but devoid of spirit within. I think it clearly suggests the daughter will now be claimed in the cycle.
This is certainly one of the most optimistic, moral, and hopeful takes I’ve seen on Eyes Wide Shut. Of course this is why I thoroughly disagree with it 😅. But I appreciate the thought that went into it. Well done.
That was an outstanding breakdown sir! I've watched this movie many many times, it's one of my favorites, but I've never looked at it quite from that perspective. My conspiratorial side is drawn to that movie and kubrick's work in general, but so much so that I sometimes overlook the true message. Well done! 👌
Thanks for watching and thanks for the kind words. Its one of my favourites too, there are so many ways to look at his work and I love to hear other perspectives, my conspiratorial side loves his work too, especially The Shining. I love all the different ways people have seen that movie, so cool. A great filmmaker. Thanks again I really appreciate it.
Does anyone know why when Alice sees Nick nightingale at the ball she looks shocked, refuses to say hello, and then says she has to go to the bathroom. It’s as if she knew him already, surely has some significance
NICK Nightingale - NICOLE Kidman
He isn't offered anything at the party. Unless you think they presented Nick Nightingale to draw him in. That could make sense since someone interrupts the convo between Bill and Nightingale.
Everything after the moment Alice reveals her sailor fantasies is only happening in Bills mind.
Well done. I also identified with your take at Bill character. I think all men and women get tricked by our own thoughts. Like Alice and her dreams.
I do agree and enjoyed your deconstruction and analysis of the movie, and i'm a huge fan of practically any Kubrick movie save The shining and this one. The main fatal flaw in this one being, Tom Cruise playing it as such a cypher and non-entity - even though he's sort of acting being perturbed and having sexual anxieties.....he doesn't convince me one bit. The relation with his wife is very very coldl, they got all of the trappings and a kid (to which they don't pay a great deal of attention), but relation wise? Umm, i've seen Woody Allen have more passion and horniness in him. It's all sort of done on purpose, TomCruise is not a bad actor, but romance or sexual tension was never his forte. Usually he plays the determined character, but here he's quite the passive floating raft on the high seas of a fake Christmas Manhattan. Ergo with little passion, no convincing sexual tension (at least for me), no real debauchery or sexual heat at the main "orgy" (it is more like a sort of arty Paris catwalk no, the masked audience sitting down and watching passively, not a whole lot going on there).
The (grooming) thread i kind of suscribe to, the whole first Ziegler and the drugged prostitute being all a little bit too much of a coincidence, is this all just a set up putting Tom to the test ? Is he ready to join the powerful sexual perverts or is he basically a cypherish passive "romantic" sort of type.......seems the latter. And as the grand master suggest we will come after your family, the daughter is curiously missing and does look purposefully back at the parents in her parting shot. Grooming part 1 okay.......but boy does this whole Pizzagate for the demonic illuminati go nowhere....... not so much as you couldn't make a thrilling film about that, (one could), but it's like Nicole suggests they go fuck (as soon as possible). Both their reactions are underwhelming to say the least - again on purpose.....are we supposed to take this seriously ? Okay let's assume that loving sex and a commited relation are fragile at best..... Credits roll, what happens now , they start to get just a little eensy-teensy bit horny to fullfill their marital duties and then they discover their daughter is gone, kidnapped or pawed by the Illuminati/demonic powerful Democrats )cause hey, Evangelicals and Republicans don't/never do these things right ? LOL.
What next, panic? Why is that whole grooming thread in the movie anyway?
As far as we know from real life, the Weinsteins, the Epsteins, the Prince Andrews, The Trumps, your Diddies and Andrew Tate, your Abercrombie and Fitch.....you groom the naive and the poor with promises and half lies. The ones who will most likely shut up when they reach 18 or 20.
The whole rather carefully set up narrative thread of powerful satanic rituals is just left dangling with nowhere to go (and for sure weak doctor Cruise will not crack the case) and no consequence or point Besides it's not the subject of the movie ....
Power corrupts has been done in other and better movies, multiple times. And again it's not what the movie purports to be ?
This is amazing I am only halfway through . I really love how you view this & explain it. Very well 😇🙏
I've watched all your comments on this film and I'm impressed, especially with your take on their child being groomed.
Thank you so much for your incredible insight on this incredible film! 👊🏽
I really like ur look at this. I agree with the way they frame nightingale as a fortune-teller/genie granted bill his wildest dreams. And when u talk about what sex means to the prostitute. It not only means a job and education but also means a death sentence to her
Thanks for watching. That's interesting I never thought about Dominos death like that before, I guess I always took it for granted that Domino by name and by nature falls downs.
I'm definitely going to look into her character more. Thanks for your thoughts really interesting.
The cult represents the cult that runs Hollywood. Tom and Nicole were chosen because of their real life marriage and connection to the cult of scientology, as well as Nicole's father and his history.
What’s her dad’s history?
In looking into the aftermath of the film - Kubrick loses a daughter to the Scientology cult and Kidman loses two children to the cult following her divorce from Cruise. Life imitating art?
As others have written, although the film takes place in NYC and shot in London, it is really a tale about Los Angeles/Hollywood and all the wannabe's and double lives in that city. All the young women in the film are types of those 'performing talents' trying to break into the movie and music industries and are shown as having sex with the Hollywood establishment (to pay their dues with their bodies), whether it is a figurative casting couch in Ziegler's bathroom, prostituting/escorting, at a Hollywood party where they are expected to promiscuously service the male and female members of the upper echelon of the Hollywood cult.
Alice and Ziegler's wife are types of women who have previously paid their 'industry dues' as once young aspiring talents and still participate in the licentious activities as initiated members of the cult - hence the mask placed on the pillow when Alice returned from the orgy/bacchanal before Bill returns. We also see Alice grooming her daughter for a similar fate as she is preprogrammed to climb the Hollywood ladder and cater to rich and older men - fugitively portrayed as the two older men who lead her away in the final scene.
The mansion ceremony with the satanic circles and mysterious red cloak high priest are meant to convey the hidden evilness of the Hollywood upper circles, and that only the initiated (same shared values whether politics, sex, morality, wealth, etc.) can be part of the Hollywood cult either in the inner or outer circles. The mask represent their hidden and sordid lives in contrast to the faces they show the public. At the end of the film, Bill's eyes are now wide open to the inner grammar of decadent Hollywood scene and its sordid and corrupt nature and the realization that his sexually unsatisfied wife and daughter are lost to the cult as he breaks down now knowing the cost of success in Hollywood. It ends with Alice telling him nothing is permanent, the Hollywood dream is just that, a dream not the reality of selling oneself over and over for success and wealth, to live in the moment, and all that counts is having sex and gratifying immediate desires.
Excellent.
Great insight into a true work of art. Masterful.
Definitely watching this again soon.
Brilliant. Absolutely Brilliant.
Thanks for watching I'm glad you liked it. Much appreciated.
Great analysis!
Great analysis 👍
Bill became insecure when he found out how his wife was willing to throw away their future together for a one night stand with the naval officer. He was even willing to sleep with the woman who confessed her love for him in order to get some power back in the relationship.
Thanks for watching. I agree, I think Bill feels very insecure. I think the guys on the street who bump into him and belittle him are also a confirmation of this. He is set off balance and I agree that the women he considers sleeping with are a way of him trying to either have revenge or as you put it better, to somehow regain power in the relationship or at least get even. I think maybe he can't control or understand the jealousy he feels and he's looking for a way to overcome it. Really interesting points, thanks for your comments.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema I'm in the cuckolding lifestyle, so when he visualizes Alice with the naval officer throughout the movie, I can relate to him. It becomes an obsession to him. And when Alice wakes up from the dream laughing and tells Bill what she dreamt about, made things worse for him.
@@kalebarancelovicwow, how do you personally manage jealousy?
@@Yigit-nw4et I'm a cuck, so I go through a whole range of emotions.
@@kalebarancelovic do you want to talk extensively?
I liked your interpretation, I've always just watched it for the movie and not thinking of anything. I believe Stanley Kubrick had a contract where only he could edit his movies and the company wanted him to take out about 30 minutes of.it and he wouldn't. After his death they edited the movie the way they wanted and I believe the day he died was 666 days before the date of 2001 A space odyssey. Also, Nicole Kidman's father left Australia for Singapore to stay with his other daughter because they were looking at him for improper advances on a child. His death in Singapore was a little suspicious. Another thing to think about is Bill's strength, he could have had sex with them women but he had the strength to mot do it. Just like I think r**e is a sign of weakness not power because they were to weak to control their urges. Yeah, I could be wrong about that.
Your eyes are at least not wide shut!
but r@pe isn't generally about urges (sex) it's about having power over someone.
yes they're weak but in
in a different way.
I love your analysis BUT you forgot to mention the Christmas lights!
Thank you for admitting you’ve been Bill in the past. I sorta think I have too. Well done.
Thanks for the kind words, it is such a personal film to me for those reasons. With a filmmaker like Kubrick it's easy to get lost in the stunning way the films look but I think the heart of Eyes Wide Shut for me is that emotional connection. It's such a great work on so many levels. Thanks again.
How have you been Bill? Yer wife confessed to wanting to destroy your marriage?
I haven't seen all of Stanley Kubrick's movies. But I've seen this one. First off, mad respect for Tom Cruise. He's a confident action star first and foremost but in this film, he's vulnerable, uncertain and doesn't seem like a man who could do all the insane stunts he does in his other movies.
Second, I think a very strong case could be made that Stanley Kubrick was THE greatest filmmaker of all time. Outside of Eyes Wide Shut, I've also seen The Shining, The Killing, Doctor Strangelove and Fear and Desire. Granted, Fear and Desire was a clumsy mess but outside of that, Kubrick delivered banger after banger consistently for 4 decades. All of his movies are personal, apart from Spartacus which was a for hire job, but they're also unique at the same time. You can tell the same man is behind the camera and that could have become stale but Kubrick, much like George Lucas, wasn't content to repeat himself.
Thanks for watching. Yeah, I agree he's one of the greats of filmmaking, his compositions and his style are like no one else's. 100 other Hollywood directors could line up the same shots with the same lenses and still not capture his magic. I was watching Full Metal Jacket just last week and the way that he shoots that ending in what looks like the fires of hell, when they are at war with the sniper is so horrific to watch, yet I still marvel at each shot. The zooms from the snipers POV, that tight close up of Joker when he finally does what he has written on his helmet is real, raw and emotional filmmaking.
I'm so glad you mentioned Cruise's vulnerability in Eyes Wide Shut, I've had so many negative comments about my take saying that its a surface analysis and that its about so much more and I'm wrong about how I feel, and I guess there is so much more in it to be honest lol But my take was always how I related to Bill's vulnerability and the feelings that he must be going through, for me its his best role. And the movie is all about the complexity of human emotions and the war inside of us all, as we wrestle with out own feelings.
Thanks again for watching and sharing your comments I really enjoyed reading your take.
Am I the only one who’s tired of seeing TH-camrs butchering the meaning of eyes wide shut.. I understand people have different views but this was such a shallow take of the movie :(
so what is your take? Don't be lazy, post your opinions and back it up with evidence bud....Do something, instead of just doing nothing at all.
I think you’re overdue your booster 💉☠️
K put the “deep meaning” right in your eyes. Exaggerated masked cult scenes: Scibot Cruise “stuck” while Kidman got out. Party scene: alcohol/ drugs used by H’wood, Scibots & “fraternities” for blackmail.
G. Clooney gave hints: must attend long drawn out parties with his competitors + alcohol, drugs are perfect opportunities for control/ blackmail of future stars. IMO, this is what happened to Cruise before this movie.
Happened to me: so-called girlfrienenemy just happened to be born the same day as my mom? Hey, it’s possible…no need for nefarious conspiracy…etc.
Bill never proves he was a good man. He does not commit adultery although he wants to but fate always interrupts him...
Would Bill be Kubrick struggling and trying to fit in Hollywood but death took him away and ironically the girl from the party might be also him as the outcomes from knowing too much and saying too much, alerting us? Anyway… after 2 years still a nice essay and also chilling conspiracy theory in the comments.
Might be not a pathway you want to go down, but as you stated, Bill didn't want to go down that road (after seeing the Rainbow Fashions owner give his daughter up). However, as bill is distracted by Alice near the end, Alice DOES let their child be lead away, by the same men who were at Zeigler's first party.
Don't forget Alice. Try looking at the movie thru Alice's eyes .....
A look at Alice is in the works at the moment. I'm getting a script together. It's on the way soon 😉
Jocelyn Pook's music is wonderful.
So far out of the videos I've seen, you the did the best job covering the main themes, too many videos are getting distracted with details and missing the bigger picture., Interesting they don't see that, hence the title of the movie.
Simply put: Bill's worldview or reality gets shattered. He attempts to reconstruct his worldview based on how he "thinks" the "elite" do things. But he quickly comes to realize that this is a very bad idea, and the ideals of the "elite" are not what he really wants.
Bill represents the upper middle class social climbers, who suddenly become aware of a "dark side" they are dealing with.
The big question is: do they (Bill) continue to enable or ignore what they have "accidently" become aware of, Or do they just decide to forget it all.
I don't know dude..
Bill seemed pretty ready to go to me at the mask party.
Thanks for watching. I agree to an extent, I definitely think that Bill was out to get revenge and wanted to get his own back for the imagined affair.
The more and more I think about it these days, the line from Harlan about it being about the sexual jealousy of the mind, makes me think its all a fantasy just like Alice's affair was. I'm starting to think he blocked himself in his own mind, like some kind of instinct kicks in every time he gets interrupted in one of his attempts at revenge ,like the phone call when he is with Domino or the husband returning at his patients house.
No definite answers yet but it's something I've been considering more and more lately. But I think you are right that he was all in at first. Thanks again your comments are much appreciated.
Great Video!
Very interesting interpretation great video
Wow this is like the only video on TH-cam that's an actual deconstruction and analysis every other video is just the TH-camr running down the plot and in like last minute talking about how there may be scenes and s*** missing
Thanks for watching. I wanted to make a few videos about Kubrick, so I figured I should start with a run down and analysis of the whole movie first lol I'm glad you think the deconstruction worked. I thinks its a technique I will do more in the future, thanks again for watching.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema about to watch part 2,glad to see you covered the conspiracy stuff too. Definitely think the cult was real and evil and not just an act like tom cruise's character is told. Also think the ending is intentionally ambiguous about whether their daughter is kidnapped or not.
how does the piano player know everyone is in costume. did the piano player set him up from jump street.
Thanks for watching. With his Meting Nick, I think it's a story device and he represents the boatman to the forbidden place. Bill is out to get some kind of revenge on Alice and see’s this as something to take his mind of the infidelity she had in her mind. But as you say there are also many interesting theories that say that Nick is part of it and it’s all a big set up. In the novel the protagonist wonders at this and thinks at one point that he is being laughed at and is part of a big game, pretty cool theories.
nice commentary on nick; if you look at the background in 9:21 you can see the place is called SONATA Jazz. SONATA could easily be an anagram for SATANO
Sonata is a musical term
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What about some David Lynch? Also, that music is so chilling.
Thanks for watching and I'm so pleased you mentioned the music it took me a while to write something with the right feel lol I'm always up for watching Lynch, I've been planning something on Lost Highway for a while. LH and Eraserhead were my two favourites growing up. I mention Lynch a little in a video I did a while back called 'Lynch & Hitchcock: Developing Ideas' you might find it interesting. Its only half about Lynch and mostly looks at Inland Empire and Lynch's ideas development. But I'm definitely up for doing something more on Lynch in he near future. Thanks again.
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Alice tells Bill she would have left him and her daughter for another man - if the other man just said the word. Bill doesn't like that, and who would? I don't know why everybody changes this to "Alice had a fantasy".
The New York in the film is a studio set, not the real New York. Hence, we cannot conclude that rear-projection was used, and there are several indicators that it is not.
Thanks for your comments. Their are a few on set photographs of Cruise walking on a treadmill in front of screens of different colours so maybe that's how they did it? Their is projection when Bill is in the cab I believe maybe green screen? Most of the street shots were around Hatton Garden and some in Chelsea in London I think. Do you have any ideas how Kubrick got that look behind Bill walking if it wasn't projection? Thanks for watching.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema It is rear projection
The cab scene was such a poorly done projection, Kubrick wanted us to notice.
Bill could have slept with the costumer's daughter. I think you overlook the Freudian aspects of the novel and the film. Are dreams of infidelity equivalent to actual infidelity? Bill's unrealized infidelity is no more consequential than Alice's dreams of infidelity, yet both produce feelings of guilt. Whether the Mansion was a playground for the rich (ahem, Jeffrey Epstein) or a criminal conspiracy to silence Bill, the doctor's sense of guilt leads him to perceive threats. So much of this is Freudian symbolism.
Alice didn't just want sex. She wanted to throw her marriage and child away. That's an additional level of destruction.
Loved this but....what was frustrating to me was having to explain to my friends the movie itself the symbolism the colors the actual meaning etc sort of like Shakespeare lol (not knocking my friends but they didnt get it) 7:10 this was a great film and Kidman's performance IMO was what led to their divorce her scene in the bedroom was outstanding and very very true (what she was explaining to him) I could go on and on but its nice to see that you watch films the same way I do ❤❤
One more.. some of my friends took my suggestion to read the book this was based on.. and then they understood what I was talking about😂❤❤
I know what you mean lol I was so passionate about this movie I think all my friends got sick of me talking about it lol It became such a personal film to me some of the themes really hit home about the characters, infidelity (even in the mind lol) and heartbreak. Great movie, I still think its a little underrated even for a Kubrick film lol
It's about the change in American culture from Christian to post-Christian.
Thanks for watching and for your comments. I’ve had a few conversations about this with others too, many have mentioned this in consideration as to why the film is set at Christmas as this bears no or little relation to the source novel, so the emphasis must be for a reason. There are elements of sacrifice and self-punishment in the film that of course have biblical aspects and the film could be about temptation. We may also consider that Bill has a cathartic realisation and is taken through the open door. It is a very interesting interpretation and one that could be spoken about more in depth. It great to hear different interpretations, Do you have any more thought on this?. Thanks again.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema It's difficult to talk about, because it is doubtful we have the same experiences. But my experiences are "last century", same as Stanley's. A few points - we see a Sociology textbook in Domino's bedroom. The nineties were a time when there were a number of major magazine articles pitching the idea that sex work was a good way for a girl to pay her college bills. Girls were doing it, there was nothing wrong with it, they enjoyed their work. I remember reading articles like this. (This would be completely unacceptable to Christians.) Then, Millich I believe, is on one very subliminal level, a Jesus figure. Beard, long hair, (bath)robe. His switch from the first scene with the Asian men to the second scene says it all. He has changed. He has accepted the unacceptable. This is equivalent to all the changes Christianity embraced just last century - sex before marriage, shacking up, illegitimate kids, divorce, homosexuality (in some churches), gay marriage was coming in at that time. What upset the Christian grandparents didn't upset the boomer grandchildren. Also, Christmas is, apparently, only about wrapping presents, shopping for presents, waiting for presents, asking for presents. Nothing more. Oh, I would say, at that time, taking your kid to see the Nutcracker performed would have been considered what a good, college educated mother did at Christmastime. (Alice doesn't take her kid to the ballet, so I would rate her as not trying very hard to be a good mother.) How the Grinch Stole Christmas is the book on the table during the breakfast scene with the TV, the cartoon, and Alice reading the paper. I think this is a social engineering comment. There may be a subliminal Grinch face or two hidden in plain sight in the film.
@@watermelonlalala Thanks for getting back to me on this and sorry for the late reply. I appreciate the care and thought that you put into your answer. My favourite thing about movies is how we can all watch the same work and have a different interpretation and also share evidence to support it and discuss it.
I was raised in a catholic environment and as you say, I feel that does often effect the way that I interpret and experience work. This is especially true in the way that I see character realisation as catharsis and sometimes how I relate to characters punishing themselves for their sins.
I’m 100% with you on Dominos’ character. I always believed that was definitely an intention, looking at set dressing such as books is a key aspect that Kubrick used in a lot of his work to let us know the internal dialogue of characters. Similar in Clockwork orange when we see the inside of Alex’s head when we enter his bedroom. I do believe Domino is a reflection of the treatment of women in the media of the late 90’s. Kubrick was very astute at letting the zeitgeist of the times subliminally seep into his work and was often at the forefront of exploring media as a tool for controlling public opinion, I visited the Kubrick archives at LCC in London and Kubrick’s research papers and books show that subliminal messages were always on Kubrick’s mind, throughout almost all of his film projects. There are literally mountains of boxes which contain his reading lists and influences.
I appreciate you sharing Your thoughts on the subliminal look of Millich, as you say our experiences are different and I would never have thought of the character that way, had we not had this conversation. I really appreciate you sharing you thoughts and helping me learn how others interpret film. For me this is what starting this channel is all about. Thanks again if you have any more thoughts please let me know, it’s great to discuss and learn from others perspective. Cheers.
I thought that 'Eyes Shut' was an unoficial sequil to 'Rosmarys Baby' ?
And ‘Ninth Gate’.
And The Big Lebowski.
Yeah, but what if Carl didn't answer the phone?
What if his wife didn't call when he was with Domino? What if he didn't leave his costume receipt in his coat pocket at the party? What if Domino didn't have AIDS? It takes only a small jolt to shake one out of a dream, but it takes a stronger jolt once one ventures farther into the dream.
I get so tired of the “it was a dream” “it was all in his head when he went to sleep in this scene”
The film is a metaphor for the typical American upper middle class male who believes in the American dream and doesn’t realize that he is being manipulated by elites just as he would have been in the old world order of European nobility. The first clue is the movie poster itself where Bill is kissing his wife and his eyes are shut however her right eye 👁️ is open like the one atop the pyramid. The title could be a metaphor for something that is happening right in front of us but because of the dream we don’t see it but Bills wife sees it because she is a part of it and is trying to trap Bill into the CULT of the elites. She purposely tells him of her fantasy knowing it will drive him over the edge and into the arms of the prostitute who was a setup. Everything that happened afterwards was designed to bring him to the mansion ritual. This is observable by the fact that his friend Ziegler was at the ritual also. How coincidental is that. His wife was aware of the whole plot which is indicative of her right eye 👁️ being open on the movie poster. And she probably put the mask on the bed unless we are to believe that someone snuck into her bedroom and then snuck out unnoticed. So in conclusion I suspect that Kubrick was trying to tell us that nothing has changed and that the American dream is really a nightmare of deception.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Fantastic analysis of the visuals especially the poster. I really enjoyed reading this, its great to hear a precise and well thought out interpretation, delivered in an intellectual and friendly way. I agree that Alice put the mask on the pillow although I think it is a visual metaphor for everyone having two sides in essence Bill is just as two faced as Alice is. Fantastic to read this and I hope you will return to The Boneyard and comment in the future. Thanks again.
Good job
Wow, loved your insight into Nick Nightingale being a dark magician, a boatman to a forbidden place. That reminded me of professor Marvel from 'Wizard of Oz' with his crystal ball and Dorothy wanting to go on the road with him...
Is Bill a good man? Bill has 5 opportunities to commit adultery in the film. 1. with the two girls at Zeigler's party, 2. with Marion the grieving woman 3. with the prostitute 4. with the prostitute's friend 5. At the orgy party. To me it feels only by shear chance at times Bill eludes to following through with the act and not steered away by morality/ethics or love for his wife. Whether Bill is overseen by some form of divine intervention or the movie plays out in the dream realm, he seems more compelled to cheat on his wife as a form of revenge. I personally feel the movie would of been much deeper if he followed through with the act of infidelity, be seduced and somehow find redemption in the process or not at all.
Hi G-Funk thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. I agree, Bill is out for revenge when he walks the city. It’s interesting that you mention there might be forces at work. It does seem like the world is out to get him for a time. For example, when the drunken jocks bump into him on the street and question his masculinity, that must be devastating for Bill especially after his wife has just implied that he may not enough for her. He can’t satisfy his wife, now he can’t defend himself. I think Bill is knocked down from his pedestal and is at the most vulnerable he has been for a long time and that’s when our resolve can be tested the most and the forces of good and bad can affect us and our choices. Interesting thoughts.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema Yeah well said John. I find it hard to sympathise with the Bill character as it feels he never really overcomes the challenges faced before him, just manages by shear luck to evade/survive his escapades along with being confused as to what happened to Nick Nightingale or whether the girl at the party was murdered or merely overdosed from cocaine, which for me gives more credence to the dream world narrative. Always left me wanting more from this film.
*In similar contrast to Bill, the family man Marty Hart from 'True Detective' season 1 is a good example of where they delve more deeply into similar themes and kept me returning for multiple viewings.
Bill was obviously a good man. But was he a hero? No. He didn't save the girl at the orgy.
@@watermelonlalala I agree, Bill is definably not a hero. He may go through a hero's journey but this is more a filmmaking and storytelling tool.
@@watermelonlalala She saved him
Alice is in the cult
Pause at 16:40 Alice looks like she has some kind of hairy goat face. The white patch in front of her face kind of looks like a big witch face. And there is some kind of fuzzy looking animal looking over Bill's shoulder - maybe a lamb or a pig kind of creature. Not cute, though.
A young man who only paid attention to the technical side of the film.
Thanks for watching. Yeah the first time I watched the film I was a little too young to understand the emotional side, but as I say, this is a movie that requires multiple viewings. When I returned to Eyes Wide Shut as an adult, which is what I explore in the second half of the video, it hit me in the gut with an emotional punch.
In the later half of the video, I get away from the technical side of filmmaking and discuss the emotional effect that it had on me as I got older with the movie and how the meaning of the film changed for me as I experienced similar situations and feelings in my own relationships. Thanks again for watching.
He could not have taken his robe off at the party and joined in. They were on to him from his arrival.
Dr. Strangelove - Dr. Bill
"[...] the dark underbelly underneath [...]." If it's the UNDERBELLY it' probably is UNDERNEATH. They can't help themselves.
It is Alice, not Bill, who says they need to go home and make love as soon as possible, at the end of the film
My bad lol I'm not the clearest speaker in the world but I actually do say 'when she says they need to go home and sleep together' at 16:20 I must have misspoken that other time. I hope it didn't spoil your enjoyment of the film. Thanks again.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema Did not spoil the film at all
Because she's pregnant from the party. Gotta keep Bill in the dark.
EVERYBODY fantasizes about 'other' people. It's whether we act on it or not...
Great video!
Thanks for watching. Well spotted with Milich's daughter I missed that one lol the plot thickens. Such a great movie, every time we watch it we learn something new. Thanks for the comments.
Nice.
There is no evidence that Bill "has these thoughts too." There is much evidence to the contrary.
Thanks for watching. I agree with you that there is evidence to the contrary for example Bill being a very professional doctor in the examination scenes and being interrupted or deciding not to have affairs when he has the chance or is offered too. Bill flirting at Zeigler's party with the two models is what I refer to as the evidence of Bill flirting and at least having those kind of thoughts too. At least thats how I see it, but as I say this is my personal take on it and how I relate to EWS personally but I can see where you are coming from and respect it. Thanks for sharing your comments its much appreciated.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema We never fully realize how far Bill might go because he is always interrupted.
I need to watch this movie again.
I saw it when it came out and I thought it was a lot of talking and drama that never led to any kind of resolution.
I always wondered why Tom Cruze didn't just rush the red cult leader and pull his mask off. If that was me I would assume they'd kill me anyway so why not at least find out who's in charge.
Thanks for watching. Yeah that's an interesting point, it is a scene that is pretty hard to watch especially when they ask him to disrobe, as it kind of leaves a lump in your throat and you think what would I do in that situation. A pretty tense scene. I hope you enjoy it when you re-watch and please let me know if you feel the same way after another viewing. Thanks for your comments its much appreciated.
ye but Stanley "died" in march and they released it in July...
this video had 666 likes when I came to it
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I remember watching eys wide shut and I still don't get it. Except happy/unhappy couple and some kinda cult.
how does the mask end up on the bed?
Personally I think Alice finds the mask and places it there to show Bill that he is not innocent in all this and like her he is two faced and has fantasies about infidelity too. But again there are many cool theories that image that Alice in is on the game and is also setting Bill up. Many fans also theorise that the people from the mansion party place the mask there for a warning to Bill, that he must heed their words of warning ‘There will be dire consequences’ and they are watching. There are so many interpretations out there, it’s such a complex and interesting movie, so cool. Thanks again.
@@johnrenneysboneyardcinema thank you so much for your reply
Hoep this is not another religious analysis
This is a superficial level of analysis. As all Kubrick movies there are multiple levels os society. It’s not about Bill.
love this movie, so many hot chicks in there
This film could be one of my all-time favourites, but Nicole Kidman ruins it with her mediocre acting ability.
Thanks for watching, yeah its a strange performance. I've been writing a video for a while looking at the movie from Alice's perspective to attempt to see the movie from another angle. So many commenters have taught me so much about different ways to look at the film other than my own its awesome!
But, yeah I know what you mean about her performance, especially for me, in the scene where she tells Bill about her fantasies. She is supposed to be stoned and that ain't what stoned looks like or feels like at all lol That scene really took me out of the story for a while because of it. Its such a great film, who knows maybe one day we'll see it and her performance will click lol One thing is for sure this movie sure stays with you :) Thanks again.
Thank you for confirming that scene. That is one scene that stuck out the most to me about Nicole Kidman's "acting". There's also a scene soon after it where she's supposed to act tipsy, she fails at that too. I can watch the ritual scene over and over with that incredible music. I really enjoyed your video. @@johnrenneysboneyardcinema
Scientology non ha nessuna relazione con il film Eyes Wide shut,quella è la propaganda di Lawrence wright pullizter edi sx e Alex gibney HBO sx che riceve spesso telefonate da Obama in persona per game of Thrones 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You have absolutely no clue what this movie is really about 😂😂😂😂
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This is amazing I am only halfway through . I really love how you view this & explain it. Very well 😇🙏
Thanks for watching. I'm really pleased you got something out of it. Kubrick is a great filmmaker theres so much to say about his work, its hard to know where to start, so I just thought I'd go with my gut feelings on this one lol It's such an important film for me. Thanks again and thanks for sharing your comments.