THE MAGNUS ARCHIVES #42 - Grifter’s Bone
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.พ. 2018
- MAG042 - Case #0131103 - Jennifer Ling
Statement regarding a live musical performance in Soho, London.
The Magnus Archives tells the tale of a music journalist investigating an industry myth and the unfortunate circumstances of such an encounter.
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John: "I'm going to pay more attention to Martin"
Martin: :D
John: "Because I think he's trying to kill me"
Martin: D:
Our precious bean is getting suspected
Not!Sacha holding a knife behind him: XD
*Jon towards Martin:* -_-
*Jon towards Not!Sasha:* ( ˘ ³˘)♥
@@frogonthebikeheh what is not!sasha? how is there a difference so far? am i missing something, i have watched all the episodes so far?
@@CarbonatedMilkshake In episode 39 Sasha was separated from the group during the worm incident and we heard her scream, in episode 40 everyone gave their side of the story on what happened including Sasha, but if you pay close attention she seems off. Jon points this out. Now read the description of episode 40 or listen to the end credits to the voice actors.
i'm cracking up at the add-on. "martin is showing interest in my wellbeing and work. obviously he is evil." for an academic jon can sure be thick sometimes huh
The guy litterally wondered about without pants in front of him. Do we need to say more ?
He's an oblivious fool.
Yea I bet Martin agrees, hes THICCCCCC (jk lol)
I mean Intelligence and Wisdom are two different stats for a reason
Academics are like that irl
Jon jumping to the conclusion that Martin is evil because he’s being nice and caring to him is a BIG trauma mood
take back that call out rn
Ouch.
Yea same
He's just like me
John: Martins been nice to me... I wonder if it’s all a plot to kill me
i mean...that's what i feel with my first son is nice to me (he's 7)
Trust me. When you're paranoid, even people being nice seems like an ulterior motive. I should know. I suffer from paranoia.
"Encore?" is on par with "Thanks for teaching us all about the insides!"
"Not to be used for teaching" lol
Omg Agreed
What's Encore? Never heard that word before
@@juliapazosmaidana2929 an encore is an additional or repeated performance after one, when the thin man asked “encore?” he was asking if the lady wanted the band to play again, or play another piece
@@juliapazosmaidana2929 encore also mean "again"
guess,,,you could say there was,,,, panic at the disco
GODDAMNIT-
Lmao I didn't expect that
This makes me so mad yet so fricking happy
Guys can someone explain to me what the three commas mean (,,,) people keep using it and I don’t understand lol
Alessia Palma oh just tumblr speak
MUSIC MAKE YOU LOSE CONTROL
MUSIC MAKE YOU LOSE CONTROL
*agonized screaming and tearing flesh*
The way I screamed-
KSLSKDNFJFJD THIS SHIT IS HILARIOUS
perfect comment
IM SOBBING WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY
i can hear this comment
Martin: *clearly gay for Jon*
Jon, oblivious and paranoid: he’s gonna kill meee
gay culture in a nutshell
To be fair, Jon is canonically asexual and doesn’t really think in those terms without someone spelling it out for him.
why not both :)
@@allie_678 canonically ace and also canonically stupider than he looks
Martin: I love you
Jon: obviously, a plot to kill me.
Wayyy late but this is hilarious 💀
jon is relatable
I have come to deliver your yearly reply, and I can't wait to see who my successor will be
jon: martins been doting on me and showing heaps of interest in me... this is incredibly suspicious.
jon....my dude....it sounds like he's got a crush on you
Martin: **gives Jon tea and asks how he’s doing**
Jon: What is this? Affection?! Suspicious! Take it away!
Super paranoid season 2 Jon is both amusing and very very sad.
Yeah but Jon is asexual. He can’t be blamed for not thinking in those terms and automatically assuming there must be some other reason.
@@allie_678 Where does it say that
@@L0zza it’s hinted at in a couple of episodes, and I’ve been told the writer confirmed it in a Q&A. That said, he’s not aromantic. I’m guessing he’s either panromantic or biromantic, since he evidently still dates people sometimes and doesn’t seem to care if it’s a man or a woman. But he doesn’t have any interest in sex or sexual relationships.
Is everyone forgetting what was written in Martin's letter to his "mother" because of their Jon x Martin fan-fiction?
Jon: i hate poetry
also Jon: *can tell that Martin's style is influenced by Keats*
curse of being an English major
Jon: know your enemy
Truly the worst evil is to force people to listen to your bad music
Grifter's Bone 110% has a sound cloud.
"Anyway, here's Wonderwall"
@@kellanlevi5663 *sounds of the agonizing screams of the damned are heard in the distance*
Martin: *breaths*
Jon: suplemental, martin is plotting my demise
martin: *tries to take care of jon, give him some sort of human interaction and keep him from overworking himself*
jon: they're all trying to kill me. I know it.
(maybe jon isnt used to being taken care of...?)
nah hes just paranoid
That took a sudden dark turn
I'm from the Future and it's A bit of both actually, not to be too spoilery but Jon never really had much of a family growing up and his only caretaker was doing so out of obligation so he probably doesn't recognize "sometimes people actually are nice just because they like you"
Both
I bet he is really not use to people been nice to him
I like how so many people in the comments are like
*really? of all people, you're suspicious of Martin??*
Exactly! What is the worst thing that sunshine can do?? Give a lecture on not killing spiders? 😔
@@rheagomes5340 I mean... That's quite similar to murder isn't it?
@@deijiwastaken6450 Don't speak badly about spiders, they are beautiful creatures! Also the one at my window has a very organized nest and she's surprisingly interesting to stare at!
Martin? You sure it isn't...Sasha you should be watching?
Why? Sasha is as normal as she's ever been.
@@mimkyodar agreed, there's absolutely nothing wrong. You must be tired. Take a rest, Thar.
@@pidgy8927 is it bad i read that in maromi's voice from Paranoia Agent? "Take a rest"
Why, whats wrong with Sasha?
@@namaschu9418 nothing at all. Everything is fine. You must be tired, take a rest.
I reckon the guy in the crystal shop is the one from "Dreamer" (MAG #11), who foresaw people's deaths. He was telling Ling to protect her hearing because he knew what was coming if she didn't.
Oh, I thought it was Jerry looking for Leightners in the book shop.
Might be Oliver Banks though.
yes, i’m very late and you’ve probably finished the podcast by now, but i saw a comment on a previous video about that crystal shop potentially being the same one Jane Prentiss used to work in, and the man from dreamer also having been the one to stare at her with pity and horror
@@lu-em6wr
I thought the same thing!
It was :D
I know everybody thinks Martin has the hots for Jonathan, and I think that too, but when Jon was talking about his weird competence, it seems to me that Martin has always been super competent, he just focuses on things that aren't work. His priorities are poetry, chilling, and his friends -and crush-
Mild spoiler: He's competent but he's also severely underqualified for the position he's in (didn't even finish school because of family issues) so he's trying to stay on Jon's good side so he won't get fired
Oh, and talks about jigsaws
This is very true and I agree with it but at 20:27 there is a whisper in the background and I can’t find anything in the comments that anyone else heard this
The whisper is at 20:23 and I’m pretty sure it isn’t Jon
So Jon hates poetry, but knows enough about it to identify the mere influence of Keats in Martin’s poems?
It’s an *informed* hatred lol
@@angelaphsiao
Like how I generally hate Yugioh and Magic the Gathering. I can list off all the gameplay and thematic reasons I hate it due to in-depth research or gameplay. It isn't that it simply isn't for me, it's that I know precisely why I don't like those games. But I adore TCGs. Which is why I'm making my own, without blackjack and hookers. MTG can handle that just fine.
When you hate something you have to know exactly what the hell you are hating and how to criticize it.
For example, I really don't like spiders but I can tell you the most dangerous ones, the common ones, how are their nests and where to find them.... is like a survival guide jeje
@@clayxros576 so, how's that TCG coming?
@@lordtoademort8124
Pretty good. I've printed a test series of the Alpha version, and have got a few revisions in the works based on some light play experience. The revisions are mostly future-proofing, some syntax streamlining, and adjusting some clunky cards
Poor Martin... He has been not just friendzoned, but full enemyzoned...
see i'd call Jon ridiculous for being so suspicious of Martin but honestly? I'm the same way. someone's even a little nice to me and my brain's immediately like "(chuckles) I'm in danger!" and then I emotionally ball up like a pill bug. anyway get some therapy King
Therapy can probably wait until they find Gertrude's killer, to be fair.
Me too!
i love how jon is like “martin is LYING. he’s trying to HINDER MY RESEARCH with his fake concern!!! ew!” and i’m over here fully knowing martin just. really likes jon.
Jon's ace, give him a break
@@mimkyodar
I’ve been telling people that!
@@allie_678 bro u are aware that acesexual people are clearly aware of how to give people hints and are not children who have no concept of romance or sex.
@@getrekt791 as someone who’s ace: not everyone notices when others are crushing
@@cassou124 as someone who is also ace: saying that the reason someone is unaware of peoples advances is because they are ace is infantilizing
Martin: Is doing a good job, worked well under pressure, is trying harder to do good at his job
Jon: What the fuck is this
this episode read like an early 2000s scooby doo movie special i'm not gonna lie
still loved it, just a ....weird change of vibes
I was trying to put it into words but that's exactly it!! It's so funny in concept lmao
that's exactly why i like it sm
supplemental summary:
"martin cares about me, im going to ignore this and say he's going to kill me instead. i looked through his things like a rat and found out he writes poetry, its garbage, he's obviously a fan of keats. he's been showing a great deal of attention to my work, this is because hes trying to kill me. i know it."
jon, he likes you.
"I work in Soho. I hear things."
these kinds of things, Aziraphale?
I thought i was ths only one
This comment is an ineffable blessing
Yes! I feel like there should be fic of people making statements regarding a strange visit to a bookshop in Soho
anything you wanna tell us, aziraphale
I wish good omens on all of you,,
Kinda reminds me of the Monty python skit where someone wrote a joke that was so funny that anyone who read it would literally die
One person accidentally got a glimpse of two words.
Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!
I just killed every German reading this comment
"Martin is a lot smarter and more capable than I gave him credit for... also he's being even nicer... I don't like it"
oh Jon
Grifters Bone? More like Blood on the Dance floor, am I right kids?
Let the Bodies hit the Floor
There was certainly a panic at the disco
Jon: It's the thing lurking in the tunnels that killed Gertrude.
Martin: 😀 I'm sorry the what
TMA drinking game: take a shot every time Jon says "This statement is obviously fake. Except..."
I don't think my liver would handle that...
Me, who always makes people uncomfortable and/ or try to leave the room when I play music: _Maybe I am Grifter’s Bone_
REAL
Tim: Bossman, do you want to go for drinks with us?
Jon: *mumble* this definitely a plot to kill me, they'll poison my drink, choke me with nachos, they aren't even going to lead me to pub, just till the first dark alley...
Martin: *trying his best, attempting to take care of the man he loves*
Jon: he must be plotting to murder me, it's the only explanation
"Hum ... Martin cares for my well-being and is interested in my theories about who might be willing to kill us all.. He's kinda sus..."
Tbh I miss Jonathan Your-awful-death-is-probably-just-a-coincidence Sims already.
You can only put up that facade for so long when the paranormal is aiming directly at your forehead.
He is just a scrunkly paranoid littol man who doesn't know when someone is trying to take care of him
Jonathan "lol-just-a-coincidence-that-the-arachnophobe's-entire-body-is-covered-in-web" Sims
Why do I find the "Encore?" so cute and innocent? 😂
I wonder why the effects of the single player vs the whole band is so different: Lee was badly hurt and traumatised, but survived, while the groups victims seem to be some sort of gathering of the already deceased violently tearing each other apart
Like... What? That's such a discrepancy that we somehow have even LESS of an idea what happened to Lee that he can't remember...
Maybe Lee IS NotThomas Grifter. Or that Lee was working with the Grifter
My theory is that Lee damaged his own ears and that's how he survived (2024, first time here XD)
The guy in the crystal shop. The is 100% the dream death guy (oliver?) And Jane Prentiss's Co worker from her statment. How did I not notice this before?
nice catch! i didn't make that connection
I feel so bad for Jon, he's so messed up he thinks everyone has an ulterior motive. Martin's just being nice yet he feels as though martin's plotting against him...
oh come on martin? really? naaaah. martins cool man. the paranoia is getting to ya.
jon no
jon martin is just being a good boy ok?
The idea of a musician, willing to sell his soul for talent and success, but bungling the summoning so badly that the devil just physically beats on him until the musician's hands don't work, is...well...it's just delightful.
Oh gods the end of the statement that maybe the person bashed their own head in because the recording finally worked gave me legit shivers
My rational brain: Rusty Quill team puts spoopy music in the podcast for the immersion of the audience
Also me: okay okay but consider this, whatever's been watching Jon while he's recording has infected the audio files, the music is meant to turn us, the listeners, the "replacement archivists," to violence. By the end of this story, we will all be converted.
@Emma Spaeth IDK if this helps but this reminds me of the time I had a dream about Peter Capaldi's twelfth doctor before I watched doctor who, before he was even announced to be playing the character.
@Tina Carpena 😹
@Emma Spaeth don’t worry, brain plays tricks on us. We just notice that one single dream that made sense but not the tens of thousands of others that don’t. Also look up why we have de ja vu (I meant the biological reason nothing spiritual), it’s interesting and it makes u realise how many creepy or apparently unexplained thing r actually scientifically explainable
@Emma Spaeth
If it helps, I have thsoe same prophetic dreams all the time. For me though, they manifest in the form of very specific buildings not even close to being used how they were in my dream, or in a particular domestic scene lining up exactly to a scene in a dream. Nothing actually important about them, just random clutter and people in a particular orientation around the place. The location ones make even less sense, as my dreams often go surreal. Once there was a building that was abandoned in a location my family regularly visits on vacation, in a highly developed urban area with decent living standards. In my dream, it was a regular mall that suddenly found itself being filled with water, from the second floor. And I was an octopus just swimming around as people climbed stairs and escalators to avoid getting wet. None I recognized, which is also a seeming recurrant theme in my dreams. Random people are always random, no doubt clipped from life simply to serve as filler. But it is rare that someone I am close to is in one of my dreams. Always the distant ones.
I think the man from the tarrot card shop may be the same man from ep. 11 "Dreamer".
Ooo! I like that theory! And it makes a lot of sense!
I always wondered who that guy was supposed to be, or if he was just some weird bystander on the street.
But if it was Oliver, that works pretty well! 😃
that’s what i thought too! Explains why he looked concerned as well
I think so too. He dreamt of Jenny being affected by the music and recognized her.
The Grifter may also be the elderly home guy. It's a small world.
@a swarm of jellyfish I think it may be the one who was working with that women who burnt the old age home down
I guess someone from the band found and disliked this video huh
Nine members, no wonder it was so chaotic
It's almost sad that someone is nice to Jon and he's immediately like "oh god they're going to kill me" :(((
- everyone talking about Martin x Jon-
- me with my mystery notes- clothes hung around him like flaps of ill fitting skin... where have I heard that before...
crystal shop? like the one in which Prentiss worked?
More like the one "antonio blake" worked in.
you think i remember details
It's the same guy, and I also think that he is the man Jane prentiss met in the store she works in.
*Martin:* cares about Jon's health
*Jon:* hE iS tRyiNG tO kiLL mE wiTH tHaT tEA -_-
it took me 2 listens to realize that the dreamer guy was the one who warned her to wear the ear plugs
"Martin is being nice to me, therefore he must be planning to kill me, there is no other explanation."
I simply can't not point out the unintentional Good Omens Easter-egg. Be careful Aziraphale.
huh? i know this comment is 3 years old but i need to know. where is the easter egg?
@@lilalino bookshops in soho
panic! at the jazz club
nah martin's not the imposter I watched him do medbay.
Am I the only one kind of disappointed that Grifter's Bone ended up a one shot story? Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing episode and I'm glad we've got it, but somehow, I always thought Grifter's Bone might pop back up somehow or someway.
Some people think the story about the violin in Magnus Protocol series is a prequel.
The description of Alfred Grifter as a short, thin man in an oversized brown coat reminds me of John Amherst... I don't think they're the same person, and it seems unlikely that they're even related, given the differences between them, but it's still pretty interesting. Maybe Johnny just has a type of villain he writes?
was Amherst the guy who took over the nursing home in the episode "Taken Ill" in the last season?? I'm terrible with the names DD:
@@lydiac9118 yeah, he was!! spoiler warning if you haven't finished the podcast but here's a link!! the-magnus-archives.fandom.com/wiki/John_Amherst
Okay jon can be paranoid of martin all he wants but i draw the line about making fun of his poetry
Love how Jon just decided that Martin can't possibly be nice towards him for his own will and not bc of an ulterior motive.
I like how at the end, he admits his fears that the reported got the video to work, its a nice hint( when this is the first actual episode of season 2) that he has left behind the over rationalization after the heart to heart under siege of worms
yeah, seeing him take into account that the video was likely at fault was nice to hear
There is a whisper at 20:22 that I cannot make out at all, creepy.
Arkangel630 you’re right omg
It sounded like it said Yes, like it was telling Jon his paranoia is correct and he should be worried, even if Martin really is just helping
To be honest, it sounds as though it is saying "shutter" to me. Though it could also be saying "Sasha" which is really interesting.
@@zhemug I think it sounds alot more like sasha to me, though it also kinda sounds like slaughter
I kinda think it sounds like ‘I’m still there’ or maybe ‘Amsterdam’. Neither makes much sense, but I’ve got pretty bad hearing, so...
Anytime music seems to be mentioned in a statement it's always accompanied by some type of violence so I've started making the association a lot. I was literally anticipation what sort of violence would erupt during this statement
But there was the "Faster Faster" song played on the red Calliope Organ, and before that was The Piper's song. I feel that The Piper might have a stronger connection given it outright provoked violence in those that could hear it's tune, and this instance was more self mutilation. The red Calliope was a bit too obscure to tell if the music had a direct violent impact on the individual or if it was like... a curse ig?
Overall I just believe music thus far has influenced violence. I really like that the music isn't inherent evil sounding either, it's just people jammin and someone decides to kill a man. Sick
Also the guy that was whistling in First Hunt. Music and violence in that
@@teavey9913 Now that you mention it, yeah! I totally glossed over that event because I was more focused on the guy possibly being a werewolf and felt that the music/whistling came secondary to the fact he was some sort of entity but now that I think about it, I'd definitely classify it as a music+violence scenario.
@@teavey9913 isn't it also mentioned that he is thin and short and wearing an Ill fitting suit? Or was it someone else?
@@Not_Lilly42 I think that was John Harmerst (however you write his name), the man from ''taken ill''.
When the statement mentioned the flute I thought of the Piper in episode 7
WOW JON ITS LIKE MARTIN CARES ABOUT YOU
This gives "Panic at the disco" a whole new meaning
The description of Alfred Grifter reminds me of the description of the man in Taken Ill
Yeah, both him and John Amherst wear ill-fitting suits. These people need the number of a good tailor. lol 😁
martin: *is nice and caring
jon: " he's trying to kill me, I know it"
That sure sounded like a panic at the disco
"Keep my eye on Martin" EYE. Singular?! Jon? Are you okay?!
Well, he has four suspects and only two eyes. He's already giving more than he should mathematically.
👁😌
Martin: * Gives Jon affection. * :D
Jon: What's this? Is this a plot to kill me? I'm going to keep a close eye on him.
Jon have you been deprived of a mother's love
I mean... yeah, he actually kind of was, interestingly enough.
(this comment is a month old so I’m assuming you’ve heard the statement concerning his childhood at this point. 😅)
Most of Jon's issues come down to an emotionally neglected childhood, untreated childhood trauma/PTSD, and possibly undiagnosed ASD.😢 He really lived quite a tragic life.
ooh was that another oliver cameo? he's popping up everywhere!!
He’s a busy boy! Seeing death omens and all that. lol 😊
If this were a Call of Cthulhu campaign, then the Infestation caused Jon's sanity to drop below the insanity threshold and his Keeper assigned him Paranoia as a Mania.
I just had a thought, what if the audience are the ones who died because of the previous concerts? So they just acquiring regular listeners this way...
P.S. Imagine, if, after some time, the first ones start to get used to it and are like:
- Oh my, Linda, what a perfect scream of agony that just was!
- Thank you, Steven, but I couldn't do it without you ripping my arm so professionally!
IM SOBBINGA
It's only now on my 4th re listen that I'm realizing it was Oliver who warned her about "protecting her hearing" omg its something new every time!
Jon: Martin must be trying to kill me
Me: he's not evil mate, he's gay.
Martin: cares about Jon's well being and makes sure he takes care of himself
Jon: he must be trying to kill me
I just love the detail that, at least here, Jon doesn’t outright dismiss or try to rationalize the statement, like he had before. He knows he can’t dismiss these anymore, even if he had truly believed them. He’s experienced too much to just rationalize the evidence away.
can we talk about how this whole episode is a panic! at the disco joke?
Guys, he's paranoid and this is a trauma reaction. Also he wasn't shown proper love as a child.
Slaughter is one of my favourite Fears. A big reason for it, among others, is that I have strong associations between the attributes of the Slaughter and the Skull Trumpet meme. In my mother tongue this meme also has a hilariously cursed translation, which brings me too much joy for some reason. So I just can't stop thinking about the Slaughter with the fucking trumpet 10 hrs edits 💀💀💀
Sans was beaten to death in his own home??? Not Sans!!!!!
Somehow, that would be the most unbelievable concept in this whole series. The idea that anyone could kill Sans the skeleton without the power of infinite do-overs. XD
Hmm... So, if guy in a robe was already dead before the concert, does that mean that everyone there, except statement-giver were dead as well?
They are certainly have quite an interesting music in afterlife...
John: martins being nice to me, giving me tea, food, asking if I’ve slept well. It’s almost like he-
Has been plotting to kill mr since day one. Obviously. I mean who would care *this much* if they weren’t plotting my death behind my back.
this one is too realistic, anytime i overhear lemon demon i'm also thrown into a rage
I'm sorry but "Encore?😁" is too funny
Did Martin read the credits previously? I haven't noticed, since I skip most of them, but... Interesting.
no he didn't
it was mostly Jon but sasha read once I think
Yea Martin read them for the last ep
i love this one. it's such a classic concept, the band who made a deal w the devil and is now cursed forever etc etc, i'm a sucker for those things. rip to jennifer though, i was really rooting for her
The musician is described to wear a "flaps of loose skin" suit. The old man from Lucas family about Evan was also described wearing a suit like that. Either an author's favorite phrase or... something else...
Damn I thought the Beatles died?
Jon's holding up just fine with that traumatic stress after a bad day, huh?
New listener here, this is at least the third time that the crystal and tarot card shop was mentioned
I see.
Yo dude pass me the AUX. Ok just as long as you don't play any crap.
SPOILERS !!!
so oliver saw black tendrils coming out of her ears !!
"I will keep my eye on Martin."
This seems like heavy forewhadowing, what with all the eyes so far
With this and the Piper, I'm wondering if music is in the domain of the Slaughter..
Okay I think it was in the episode "catching ill" where they talked about a man wearing a brown suit cut for a much bigger man. Same dude mentioned @ 7:38?
Flute music from the war episode?
Edit: first time listener. Please don't spoil
Martin: I have tea and blankets hope you haven't found out about my crush on you... Calyptus trees I love eucalyptus trees haha
Jon: I'm in danger
First-time listener here! I don't know why, but Martin VA doing the end part makes me feel as if Martin was hearing the supplement. It's stupid, I know.
Haven’t looked at everything, no spoilers please, but there is absolutely no way that Martin is deceiving anyone. He clearly likes John an awful lot. Maybe he is just trans? And somehow he feels that not telling them that is “”lying”””? Idk. Or maybe a love confession is eminent? 🤔
After finishing up to 160, I would like to rephrase my earlier statement. Yes Martin 100% capable of lying to people .
And yes, He is very much into tall, scrawny, and sarcastic over there.
@@samtigerlilly1003 tall scrawny and sarcastic is an a+ description
why'd you think trans? that's interesting. most people think he's just (cis)gay
“Maybe he is just trans”?? Ohh you mean about the “lying”. Right.
@@pugjuice8462 Yep. At the time I was grasping at straws. It seemed like something harmless and heartbreaking to lie about.
-Spoilers-
I guessed wrong, but the answer was still in the harmless and heartbreaking ballpark. * Shrugs*
still not used to martin's VA doing the end part
although I love soft boy vibes I miss Jon's being Evil
It was oddly sinister after Jon's paranoia this episode, lol, even though i don't believe Martin is out to get him.
He IS the director :D