🇰🇷 Felix (Stray Kids) vs. Lisa (BLACKPINK): What makes their Korean SO NATURAL
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Discover what makes Felix from Stray Kids and Lisa from BLACKPINK speak Korean so well in this video! In fact, Felix and Lisa were the most requested idols for this series. Let's take a closer look at their Korean and what contributes to their fluency, as well as what we can learn from them as Korean learners!
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[SKZ VLOG] Felix : Sunshine Vlog 5 in Australia • [SKZ VLOG] Felix : Sun...
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0:00-0:25 안녕하세요!
0:26-2:37 Felix #1
2:38-4:33 Lisa #1
4:34-5:40 Felix #2
5:41-6:51 Lisa #2
6:52-9:19 Were they always good at Korean?
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Felix’s band members told that his language is always carefully formulated and that he always uses beautiful phrasing.
Minho said that ✨️
I wonder if it’s more common in foreign language speakers because they naturally have to think more about what words mean and how to formulate sentences, or if it’s special to his personality too. 😊
AWWW reallyyy i didnt know that 😭😭💗✨️ but that sounds sooo him lollll
@@kellynemecek5894 i have a strong feeling it's both haha
Lisa was called a native speaker by Knetz even before debut 😂
Even though she struggled in understanding, whenever she spoke it was crisp, clear and well phrased.
Actually, Felix always speaks slowly, even in English, that's just his way. You can see, especially in things he's written, that he's always trying to be very deliberate and precise with his words. I also believe he is specifically careful knowing he's speaking in public. I think that also played a big part in those clips from his early days - to me it looks mostly like nerves making it difficult to focus on and catch what someone is saying in a foreign language (it is very intimidating initially to be suddenly surrounded by native, idiomatic, and quick language you know to a limited degree). I similarly ask someone to repeat but process what they said the first time in the meantime - even in my native language, if I'm nervous haha
I would be also very interested in an analysis of Bang Chan's language. To me he seems to be speaking Korean on a native level and that's how I think about him, especially considering he's a lyricist too. But then from time to time I'm reminded that actually his first language is English. I'm not sure if he's actually bilingual, from what I understand he wasn't any more than Felix growing up - however he came over and became a trainee as a child, so that probably is what gives him this fluency.
To me one of the most interesting things about Lisa's Korean is her aegyo. That's kind of another level of picking up on linguistic and cultural subtleties, isn't it? Part of it is just her personality, and I suppose it's probably at least somewhat common among young girl trainees, but still, I find it interesting and impressive.
For Bang Chan, I get the impression he grew up speaking both in his household. Probably grew up speaking more English as he would have been enrolled in Australian school, but I'm fairly confident he would converse with his family in Korean too! I know his sister Hannah speaks pretty good Korean (not absolutely perfect but definitely quite proficient/considered fairly fluent) even though she has not lived in Korea! 😊💖
But I'd definitely agree, moving to Korea as a trainee from a young age would absolutely have an influence!!
Thanks for sharing your perspective, I've found it quite interesting as I'm not really familiar with both of them!
I think Bang Chan grew up bilingual. In a vlog where they visit his house, you hear him speak Korean to his parents.
I assumed he grew up bilingual because I’ve only ever seen his mom speak Korean and when she speaks English, she has a strong accent. And Hannah said that she’s fluent in Korean (even though she lives in Australia) and I’ve seen her speak Korean to her mom in her vlogs multiple times. So Bangchan would definitely speak Korean as well especially that he moved to Korea and is living in Korea right now. I think it’s kind of like me where my family speaks Spanish but I was raised in the US, so the language I learned in school and that I use everyday now is English while at home it’s Spanish and English.
chan said that at home his parents spoke both korean and english, so he probably grew up fluent in both! his sister hannah also is, so yeah
Lisa is really good. That’s impressive
I see Felix, I click
Same
Same
Fr 😂
FELIX IS THE KING OF KPOP FOREVER THE BEST ARTIST TRUE UNIQUE LEGENDARY.....NO lisa🤮
@@himaririku9254 shut up I see u everywhere
actually for all my korean learners out there, I would recommend listening to felix's lives because even though he might sometimes make some mistakes (but to be fair native speakers make mistakes too), he speaks very slowly and chooses interesting yet simple vocab which makes him much easier to understand than other members. plus he's got this deeeeep voice ya know what i'm sayin haha 🩷
ever since ive started learning korean i feel as though i also understand jeongin as well as felix. so i like jeongins lives cause imo his korean is understandable
@@tailaverse.__ probably cause innie has to make an effort to speak standard korean and not satoori, thus he speaks slower/more careful
@@irynayarova8343 oohhh, that makes sense
Fekix always thinks before he speaks..I think he chooses his words, wisley.
He speaks absolutely beautifully 😍
I'd say that's how Felix does almost _everything;_ carefully and methodically.
“I wish I had a brother like Felix. He’s so sweet.” same here!!!🙋🏻♀️
Felix brought me here
Felix is an idol who works hard, he has been studying Korean even when everyone is sleeping, he doesn't give up, the success he has achieved today is thanks to his own efforts.❤
Lisa my love
On the one hand im fascinated how non natives speak korean. But on the other hand as a korean american ive had my korean analyzed and picked on to the point of embarassment. I guess be gentle its really hard to speak any language to point of fluency once you are an adult. Dont let accent or wrong grammar get in the way of your langugage journey. I wish someone had told me when i was young.
Same here. I came to the States when I was 5. The biggest takeaway from this video for me is immersion - very rapid and intense immersion - is a huge factor in fluency. I'm sure if you or I moved to Korea, our Korean would improve dramatically in a short time since we understand the structure and sounds of Korean.
Your comments are very insightful. ❤
❤LISA
Please do Rosé and Bang Chan (keeping with the BP/SKZ theme). Since Rosé was born in Australia also and in Chan's case he was born in Korea but moved to Australia when he was very young, then moved back to Korea as a young teen, so it'd be interesting to know your thoughts on how that affected his speaking/reading.
She was born in Auckland, New Zealand
Bang Chan 100% sounds like a native Korean haha but I noticed that he doesn't know certain vocabs that older koreans use
@@horizon3424 older? 🥺
Even though Lisa is Not korean, she Mastered korean And also she knows other languages as Japanese, Chinese basic, english, thai
Such a multilingual queen
Thank you for this video. Felix and Lisa are both my biases in their groups. It’s interesting to see their Korean proficiency and their similarities in how they say certain things in Korean like how a native speaker would. ❤
I see Lisa, I click 🩷
FELIX IS THE KING OF KPOP...........NO lisa 🐷
Exactly period
bro shut up you shouldnt say that her bias is lisa you gotta problem with that for you its Felix but her its lisa so you should shutup if you havent got anything nice to say
@@himaririku9254another dumb kiddo
@@himaririku9254Lisa is female so how she will be king of kpop . Lisa is Queen of kpop
Lisaa I saw lisa and cliked 👑️
TTMIK, congrats! You guys are 'pulling out all the stops' to present creative and useful videos to assist us with our Korean language journey. Since learning a language is not a race, but a life-long marathon, I'm glad to have you guys along to help...
I see two beautiful most gorgeous people ever, I click
appreciate you TTMIK for all the work you put in fo us .
감사합니다! It helps so much to be reminded that we all have to start somewhere and there's no shame in being a beginner! ❤
This video was custom-made for me lol thank you for the very interesting and instructive analysis and the message of hope! ❤
I really love this video!! So interesting to watch people progress with the language who have different backgrounds! Pleaseeeee make more of these
Oh this was sucha good video!! Comparing non native speakers w heritage language speakers and how being immersed in the language effects their skills. Would love to see more of these analysis in the future, great job~
Thx for the motivation✨
Wow... I literally just restarted my Korean language studies 4 days ago. This definitely inspires me! Thank you!
Please more videos like this! There are really helpful in learning natural Korean
I would be interested in seeing the reverse of this: Korean idols who learned/are learning English. It would be interesting to understand the difference between the language, how Koreans tackle the types of challenges a native English speaker may also encounter learning Korean. For example, I know there are certain letters in English that don't appear in Korean: such as F, R, V, Z. Combining certain syllables help produce the sounds for Q, W, X, and Y. To this day, ㄹ, ㅉ, ㄲ, ㅆ (well, double consonants in general) give me trouble.
Learning English for a Korean is just like a Westerner trying to learn Korean. In that they start at the very basic level from simple common phrases or sentences and learning the alphabet. They use books with translation and listen to audio examples of correct pronunciation and sentence structure. Then they practice saying them out loud with other people. If you've never taken a foreign language at school, then you know it's not that easy. Most foreign language classes start out this way. You sound like you've never taken a foreign language class wanting to know how idols can learn to speak English. No one is going to show you how these idols learned by video evidence. That's personal for the idols growth as a performer and part of their training. The companies won't show that. They only want you to see the result after they debut and become popular.
@@kguerr197 Idols have publicly shared their experiences learning English (or other languages). The "video evidence" you spoke of is in fact found in Vlives, Weverse lives, insta lives, Tiktok lives, and TH-cam lives. My suggestion of "seeing the reverse" of this TTMIK video isn't malicious.
For example, all eight Stray Kids members have talked about learning English (or Japanese, or French, etc) across their content. The information included how they approach studying a language, things that trip them up, frustrations, differences in languages, etc. I've watched other BG & GG members talk about the same topics. So, yes, idols have publicly shared this. Gathering all that info in one video would be challenging, but not impossible, which was why I mentioned to TTMIK that such a video would appeal to me.
Last thing, I've learned two languages over 50 years for work. I currently study my third, Korean, also for work. I find it encouraging and energizing to see any celebrity I respect has worked toward a similar goal.
Please make more videos of examples of how natives abreviate words and sentences or sometimes even invent new words
This was a great video!
FELIX UNIQUE AMAZING ARTIST KING OF KPOP💯👑💛🌻🌟
So I was thinking of Mark as a fluent Korean speaker who grew up in Canada. But also Chenle and Renjun of NCT Dream who are Chinese. Or Ten.
Gee. They have lived in Korea for years, they are surrounded by native speakers, and they have to use their Korean every day. I wonder why they're so fluent? 😂😂
그쵸 !
It's still not easy. I have friends in my country, they live here over 10 years and their German is decent sometimes still very bad. So it's not that common that someone sounds actual native
@@xunvenilekorean and german are 2 completely different languages, NEXT!
this was rude for no reason….
do u realise how serious korean take their language?
@@Ipromiseyounobodyismadomg how ignorante you are
It really a fun and useful video for korean learners
Love u ttmik
my two bias of each group, im getting better each day and watching this video makes me feel proud of my journey in this beautiful language, keep practice with kpop sonogs, reading news on naver (or other news websites) dont forget that is a long journey so enjoy everyday and every step you do.
This is such an interesting video, I had always wondered how non-korean speaking idols learned and progressed so quickly. Repetition and immersion is truly one of the best ways (for me)! I also think a lot of it has to do with frequency of exposure and availability to using the new language (I'm learning but progressing much slower than I'd like bc no one around me speaks korean so although my writing and reading is getting better, my speaking and listening in real time is very far behind). I have certainly picked up a lot of Korean phrases, but I would not be proficient at putting a full conversation together, unless it was extremely basic.
Another challenge I've encountered is what your primary language is growing up. As English is my first and primary language, learning Korean is extremely difficult. It is unlike anything I can compare to in English unlike if I tried to learn Spanish or Italian which have a shared Latin root and you can somewhat guess meanings even without proficiency. The English alphabet is nothing like a character based language and it is not spoken or written in the same sentence structure like a character based language.
So I can only hope that the few times I do get to speak to a native-Korean speaker that they are kind and understand how these challenges present roadblocks along the learning journey. Not that I would assume they would be unkind, but in my own family who speaks Cantonese (which my parents did not teach my sibling and I), I am ridiculed, embarrassed and othered by family members and other (unrelated) Cantonese speakers when I do try to speak in Cantonese and it doesn't encourage a beginner to want to progress (and makes me feel disconnected from my own culture/identity), it only makes me revert back to my primary language, English.
My friend's first born speaks both English and Spanish. His parents primarily speak English around him (though they are fluent in Spanish) and are reaching him Spanish, when he is with his Grandmother she only speaks to him in Spanish and in school he learns English. It has been a true pleasure seeing him learn both languages!
What a sweet ending, thank you!
That's the motivation I needed to go and study Korean since I'm so lazy 😂❤
I really appreciate channels and content like this. I started the Korean language just 40 days ago as an American, both with an online course, a private tutor once a week and attending Korean church. I am still very much a beginner, but I already can at least pronounce most syllables correctly even if there are a few consonants and vowels that give me trouble. I study diligently for 3 hours a day everyday, trying to work up to 6 hours a day everyday within the next 2-3 months. My tutor is surprised how much progress I am making and I have to admit each time I understand something new it is motivation to keep trying harder. It's my hope that in 2 years I will be conversational and fluent in 5-7 years. But of course I plan to travel to Korea many times between now and then because there is no better practice than being immersed and put on the spot.
For me it's speaking. I can read it but then to understand what I read in english exept for some words here and there that I might know what they mean.
The fact that he was eliminated first bcz of his korean,now look at him😭🔥
I'll be honest, I don't think he was _actually_ eliminated at all, nor was Lee Know. JYP had said there was a chance of eliminations, so he was _appearing_ to make good on his threat, both to galvanise the audience behind the boys, and also to reinforce to the boys themselves the gravity of what they were doing; kind of a kick in the pants to make sure they didn't get complacent. I think JYP had every intention to bring Felix and Lee Know back, and the "reasons" he gave for eliminating them were just for show.
I have been listening to both Felix and Talk to me in Korean to learn korean naturally and now this video have both, i'm so happy 🤭
Proud of Felix... he always does everything to the maximum 💙
Loved the video ! Thank you! Jake and Niki next please!
LISA QUEEN OF K-POP And Global it girl💛💛💛👑👑👑
Thank you for mentioning Felix ❤️
Thank u for this video!! I love these type of videos, I hope you can try and do Jake and Ni-ki from enhypen please!!!
Great video! There are so many foreign Kpop idols who have gained fluency in Korean! I'd love if you could review some of these idols: Sana (Twice), Mashiro (Kep1er), Hanni (New Jeans), Yuqi & Minnie (G-Idle).
Such interesting video❤❤❤
I don't know how I feel right now... Encouraged or discouraged. Lately I've been doing reading (which makes me so nervous) with 2 of my teachers. When I read out loud by myself, I can read better, but in front of others is so hard for me... I get so nervous. Then there is the factor that I don't know all the words so I'm trying to read *and* understand at the same time. I can only hope that like Lisa (since she didn't have the advantage of Korean family members) I can get better. Definitely, living in Korea has helped both of them because they are surrounded by the language all day.
BABYMONSTER member ASA is also natural in KOREAN speaking.......Even though she is from JAPAN...
❤ Felix has talked about his use of Korean. He really only knew the basics when he got to Korea because he typically only spoke Korean with his extended family when visiting them.
I would love to see some analysis on Bang Chan. 😊
I think it would be interesting to look at skz Bang Chans Korean too cos I've noticed that Chan sometimes doesn't understand some words or some ppl say he has a slight aussie accent when he speaks. Felix has gotten much better because he had to put in a lot more effort into learning it and attended literal Korean classes but I think Chan's family spoke more Korean at home and Chan attended highschool in Korea so he didnt really have as much 'exclusively Korean' training that Felix did.
since chan came to Korea at such an early age he must have had a different experience than Felix learning the language. By the time stray kids were being formed he had a strong grasp on it but felix had just arrived in Korea 🥺
@@jonah8231 yess that's why I'm so interested to see their take on it. And even on other Korean idols who didn't really 'grow up' in Korea. I mean they technically did cos so many trainees are really young but I mean their early formative years
이 비디오로 저랑 저처럼 한국어 공부하신 분들에게 많이 힘 주셔서 고마워요! 다음에 뉴진스 하니와 다니엘의 한국어 수준 대한 영상 나오면 좋겠어요!
감사합니다 for motivation at the end ❤of the
Can you make a video about skin care related vocabulary? First time I was in Korea I was very overwhelmed when I entered Olive Young lol🙈😵💫 I did not know what were those products for.
but Felix is ethnically Korean. Even if he grew up abroad, he probably listens to Korean since the day he was born so the comparison is kind of random
Felix lisa❤
Its not a competition who speaks the language best
They're soo good
Great video thank u
Lisa ya ❤
As a native Korean, I've listened to this full interview twice. I can confidently say that her Korean pronunciation and accent are very smooth, quite close to that of an average Korean except for some instances. Remarkably, she delivers her thoughts very clearly and fluently without needing to use advanced vocabulary, especially considering she has only lived in Korea for seven years.
Could you make a video analyzing New Jean's Hanni, soloist Jessie (rapper) and G(i)dle's Shuhua's Korean? I know the goal of your videos is to hype us up and tell us we can become really good at Korean just like some foreign idols did (Lisa and Felix for example), but I'd like to see your analysis on people who still struggle to communicate too.
@Talk To Me In Korean K-Pop Idols I would like to see you make a video about : From TxT Huening Kai who has a korean mother and brazilian father, but who was born in Hawaii and lived in china to almost 8 I think? 🤔 The way he speaks would be interesting. From the same group, Yeonjun who lived in california for a bit of time. (A few years I think?) And (still from TxT) Beomgyu who's from Daegu and seems to have an accent from the south when he gets angry(?)😂 . I think that would be very interesting to see how they speak in korean!!
Felix speaks English slowly as well, it's just his way of thinking and being careful about what he says. I'm glad you were positive about them both and thank you for all the work you do, but I must say I don't love analyzing foreigners' Korean it just seems mean.
Thank you 👍
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So cute both ❤
Lisa is the best of K-pop forever
I see Lisa, I click
Felix mi chico bellisimo el mejor artista del K-pop realmente se esfuerza muchísimo dia a dia y es muy talentoso. ..Sinceramente todo lo que hace es impresionante y maravilloso 👏🏼 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
But this guy is half Korean or Korean isn't he? Lisa never had contact with Korean as a child and Thai is soooo diferent to Korean.
1. He is not half korean. He is fully korean of ethnicity and has an australian nationality.
2. It doesn't matter. Korean is not his first language and he said in a live that he only knew how to count numbers and had to learn the language from scratch. He was also eliminated by jyp cause he couldn't speak korean. He did not speak korean at home in australia. English is his first language. He also did not come in contact with the korean language at all.
@@floor_meesschaertatleast his parents definitely speak korean
@@anungketan2285 Yes, but not to him when growing up as far as anyone knows. Now they do cause his korean is fluent
I love Felix my favourite thank you for making this videoooo xx
They are very cool and Yap I love them ❤
Thank you for the video :3 Can we talk about Bang Chan from Stray kids ^^
To be honest, I find the different alphabet and the reading/writing the most difficult part. I mean of course, starting out it's very difficult to overcome your shyness and say anything, no question about it. And spoken Korean is undoubtedly very different to the official rules (which I guess is true of any language). But with listening, there's more opportunities to catch parts you do know or understand, use context clues, and rewind or ask the person you're talking to to repeat or rephrase. Plus, you pick things up by just being around the language and practicing listening. To me it's very frustrating that I can't seem to get hold of reading/writing, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better despite me trying very hard and putting in a lot of dedicated work. It makes me illiterate and that's very discouraging. Back when I was learning English, of course spelling and learning correct pronunciation took time, but it was nowhere near this difficult as not knowing the very shape of the letters themselves. I've gone from being maybe not extremely quick or clever, but pretty intelligent about learning languages - to helpless.
I feel like of I got the hang of it, I would have so much more material to work with - but I can't find any helpful apps (or worksheets) to practice on the go in my native language (Polish) and the English transcriptions only make things a hundred times more confusing (it's almost like learning yet ANOTHER and very counter-intuitive way of writing things down). I wish there were some materials using the phonetic alphabet available.
So, to me a simple sentence which I already understand when spoken to or could construct verbally if given time suddenly becomes an overwhelming riddle when written down actually haha
Something similar happens to me. My native language is Spanish, and then learned English, but now with Korean a lot of material is only in English and you know, It feels a little bit bad or weird when you see a translation in English of the word in Korean, but you don't know how it translates to your mother language. Even though it has helped a lot with my English (I have to watch content in English even if I don't want to). And with the alphabet thing, I already know how to read it since last year but I cannot read like fast or something, I have to take a bit sometimes to read a word properly aaaaand also when you don't know the meaning, it's like the whole sentence has no sense because of 'that' word (not in every case, but that's my opinion)
Both!!!
I probably have more difficulties in reading, instead of speaking. Sometimes it is hard for me to read texts in one go and I need a few seconds to look at the word and imagine how to correctly pronounce the word. Meanwhile in speaking, I think I am more comfortable with it, but I just get stuck on how I word a sentence, making it a bit difficult to communicate something sensed. Also, because I am from Italy and I am studying languages, making sentences is what concerns me the most, because I tend to use an english sentence structure and translate it directly to german. Same for korean, where I take an english sentence and then translate every single word, wondering if the sentence structure is right.
FELIX SO PERFECTION ❤
Thank you for this video 🥰 Felix is so cute❤️
and Lisa too!🥰
To hear him tell it, Felix didn't really speak _any_ Korean before getting ready to move there. Nowadays, however, even when with his family in Australia, they bounce between the two languages quite a bit. If I were to guess, the rest of the family started getting back into the Korean language now they knew they'd have regular connection with the country, where they didn't feel the need before.
What we do know, though, is that Felix is extremely focused and dedicated. He doesn't consider himself a particularly _fast_ learner, but has a single-minded focus that if he wants to learn something, he'll do it _properly._
Im just see new for learning for how different about them to pronounce and so i click this video
Thanks for this video, very interesting! Of course, I knew that Felix speaks Korean well now, but I was just wondering how much it feels like it's not his native language
I definitely have more trouble reading than listening and speaking...
It would be really interesting to hear your thoughts about IVE's REI, since korean is not her native and she's really good with that, being main rapper of their group
신기하네용~
I LOVE YOU SO SO MUCH FELIX,YOU ARE MU SWEET HEART
Lisa ❤❤❤❤
안녕하세요 선생님 저는 질문 하나 있는데 , 시 으시 문법이 있지요 ! 이 문법에 대해 좀 햇갈리는 부분이 있네요 , 예를 들어 이 문장을 어떻게 하면 될까요 ?! 1.선배님이 스타일을 바뀌셔졌으면 좋겠어요 ? 2. 아니면 바뀌어지셨으면 좋겠어요. 동사+시+지 or 잖아 ! 아니면 동사 지+시 ! ? 제 질문이 잘 형용해줬으면 좋겠어요.잘 좀 부탁드립니다.
FELIX IS THE BEST MY GREAT ARTIST IS TRUE KING🙋🏻👑👍💯💪🤴
Can you also do Jun and Minghao of Seventeen ?? ❤
uwaa I can try to practice it
me improvising my english with a video in korean lol
lisa queen of kpop
3:59 mine is reading. I feel like reading & writing is a bit challenging for me. Listening and speaking improve a bit faster
I see LISA, I click.
Felix ❤
I see Lisa, i Click ❤
It's obviously somewhat harder for someone whose parents speak Thai at home to pick up Korean. But what I'm interested in is any example of someone whose mother tongue is even more different than Korean. The phonology of Thai to me seems relatively close to that of Korean. I wonder how would a native German who comes to Korea at age 14 sound like.
i guess ppl with a korean ethinicty gets the easy advantages but might be in the same side as foreigner that are learning Korean.
Dita Secret Number also learnt Korean in a short period of time. Could u please give any reaction video about her? Thank in advance