They “objectively” mention what is convenient for them. Go watch Stalker 2 review and he never mentions the screen tearing on the pc side while the Xbox wasn’t.
@mwfcod0932 you do realise that screen tearing can accour on different times at different parts of the image. If you have a pc that can play stalker 2 you also have a monitor with VRR so screen tearing is a non issue.
Maybe I've gotten old and don't understand it anymore. Isn't it about having fun and getting away from everyday life? It doesn't matter which platform, the main thing is that you have a good time.
Your not getting old, you just summed it up in a nutshell. Gaming is just a buzz kill now, you cannot even buy anything and look forward to it anymore.
DF profits from all this. Nobody cared about this stuff in the ninetees. People used to buy games and have fun. No zooming in on pixels and no framerate counters.
Technology was primitive. Even as a little kid I'd get plenty frustrated with games slowing down. Zelda OOT averaging like 20fps. Yikes. PS2 pushed a lot of games to 60fps and Nintendo has also prioritized 60fps for most of their 1st party titles.
Nobody cared about this stuff in the 90s? Oh yes they did. There were intense console wars between Nintendo and Sega. People were constantly comparing graphics on the various machines, in particular NES/Genesis/SNES.
And no one should be buying a GPU without dedicated AI and RT cores. If the RTX 2060 and Arc a310 have the basic hardware and software that new releases are built around then all modern cards should.
@@RJTHEGAME probably esports gamers that run 4090s 1080p low settings. In fairness there's a lot of them and they would probably love a cheaper 4090 with 12GB over the expensive of 24GB they will never use. It's certainly not how I play!
@Spratty-wb3is yeah not how I wanna play like yourself 😂. Low settings on a GPU like that seems a total waste. On vram I'm almost sure I'm seeing more buildings and texture popping in the distance with lower 12GB vram GPUs. It's something I don't notice as much on the XTX. I think because the memory pool is bigger it loads more into certain games so you don't notice it I think I also noticed it a bit more on the 4080 super but wasn't as noticeable as 12GB vram GPUs. Hogwarts seems to load textures in constantly which is off putting for me.
Yeah, I completely disagree with what you're saying up to about 3 minutes into the video. I'm a console gamer with a PS5 Pro, and what I took from the video is completely different from your interpretation.
As someone who owns and plays on all platforms, Digital Foundry provides a fantastic service to show comparisons in graphics and performance among the various platforms. They help a ton when it comes to making buying decisions for what platform I want to buy a particular game on. They've never driven a wedge between gamers, at least not the insecure ones. And it's extremely silly to act like Digital Foundry is fueling the console wars when that shit was never hotter than it was during the days of the Genesis and SNES. It's very tame these days by comparison.
brotha is so pressed and projecting i was dying of laughter frogboy " i hate you for not saying my ps5 pro is perfect " .....speaker " sir this is a Wendy's " lol
I'm a Pro owner that has both a 4K 75" Mini-LED TV and a 4K 32" Mini-LED monitor connected to my Pro. Games are definitely running more smoothly with VRR on the Pro than my base PS5 did, and games with Pro patches look significantly better. UE5 and PSVR2 games particularly had the biggest improvement.
I called Sony customer service and asked where I could send feedback. The guy on the phone told me to write a letter in almost 2025. Sony is dropping the ball on customer service
I have a 4080 and an I9 and I also bought the Pro and can't complain at all! for 700$ this machine is playing some of the beefiest AAA titles at over 60 fps 4k upscaled so I can't complain. Regardless though average gamers shouldn't care about this shit, just enjoy gaming! A buddy of mine has been on PC since his birth, he's NEVER owned a console and he's also never seen a DF video and doesn't care about that shit. He's currently playing Stalker 2 on a mid-range/low end PC and is barely getting 45 fps but he's having a blast and loving the game! He actually kind of inspired me man because even though it was low fps.. it was smooth. His CPU wasn't struggling because his GPU was max utilization at 45 fps, really opened my eyes. stop monitoring that shit, if you're getting a smooth experience and having fun that's what's important on any platform. enjoy gaming without the numbers!
If you have a decent monitor, the PS5 Pro is absolutely worth it. If you don't have a decent monitor... don't buy it. $700 is a lot of money but everything is more expensive these days. Flagship mobile phones are well over $1000 so....
I am a PC gamer as of a year and a half ago getting my similar set up to what you have minus the 1440 p monitor. I use the LGC3 48 as my daily driver. Love it. Anyways, I got a PS five pro and even though I’ve been trying to explain to a lot of my friends that grew up on console- how amazing it is to play on PC … the pro is impressing me. No front, I think for the value and for what I like- it is a nice jab in the arena of what I like to play. Solid. John at digital foundry is cool. Not the others. In fact, I’m starting to only click on videos that he is in.
Worse..they literally called content creators like him out in the recent video. I watched it basically calling anyone who thinks pssr looks good in some of these games like outlaws is a shill 😂. They basically put him, debatch, daily hubranx, mbg all in the picnic basket and called them shills. Genius move 😅.
@@那人冷靜一點 it was there weekly catch up. They kind of fuc#ed these shill channels in a classy subconscious way. Proof is the reaction of the Peanut Gallery Manager 😂
If you like pssr you would love dlss. Many sources like TPU, HBU, DF, DSOgsming ect have had it beating "native" since version 2.5. Since 3.1 it hasnt even been close.
Hi @frogboyx1Gaming. I really appreciate your content man, keep it up. An important point that we have to keep in mind is that just as games that are "not 100%" on Pro may receive updates to correct these small details, PSSR itself will receive constant updates, polishing the edges and constantly improving its level. I mean, in terms of upscaling, DLSS is currently a reference, but people forget that at launch it had problems, and had to go through refinement updates to reach the current level. The PS5 Pro is a sensational console at launch, and it will only get better. How could I complain about a product that delivers so much quality and that will increase in value over time!? I only hear truths, in everything you bring in your videos.
@@OniiXGaming Perfectly brother. Some people insist on bringing the spotlight to these details only, and pretend to believe that the PSSR will be static forever and will not have updates correcting the points of improvement, whereas in fact they know that it is an initial version, almost a beta, and that, like other upscaling systems, they had problems in the first version and were adjusted over time.
Never in my 34 year of my life , 200 USD gap has created so much non sense controversies like this time 😂😂😂 Oh my god !!! It is so freaking ezzzz . Buy the new pro and sell the old base one ! God !
Or just play on PC and avoid 30fps gaming at all costs. I just slapped together a 5600x/4070 build for $883 that would smoke the PS5 Pro. Black Friday deals coming up too.
I guess if you like artifacts and shimmering in your games... 200 bucks is a no brainer. The funny thing is the ponies actually think the PS6 will cost less. This whole ordeal has me cracking up, ngl.
I appreciate your input! I totally agree you. Gaming has gotten very weird these days and 100% Digital Foundry with their contents have played a role in this division among gamers. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy thier analysis and comparisons but I don't always agree with them especially when comparing console to PC analysis. Two complete differences when playing for two complete different types of gamers. One being a high end PC depending upon how deep your wallet is for a PC gaming rig and another type of gamers who just want simplicity & affordability with a Console that offers high Fidelity & enjoyable performance. It's all about having Fun right and enjoying the games at the end of the day regardless on what you are playing on. I do think they expect too much for a $700 console when comparing to PC, but I also believe thier critique pushes developers and companies like Sony to improve and get better Which I'm all for that. For me, PS5 Pro is no doubt worth a $700 console. Games look & play ridiculous on my LG G1 Oled TV. I love it, and super happy I made the upgrade from the PS5 console. I also Think gamers as a whole have taken this way too serious as well. We all need to cool down and be happy with what you have and have FUN!
Sometimes the console graphics optimization looks really good on pc but you can get a lot more than 1080p/30fps on pc. Which is why digital foundry is good when you actually dont care for console graphics but also dont want console performance.
Frogman your videos have been incredible lately. The honesty and perspective that you have as a PC gamer is one that needs to be heard more. Here I have my PS5 Pro review as a loyal Playstation fan. This is how a review is supposed to be done. Show the games, and hear the opinion of the people who planned ahead and purchased the console at its launch price:th-cam.com/video/zdq_Ici3Jgc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=61TUfrO2_zU8ZsX
Gaming PC>Consoles. Period. Yes, I do acknowledge that a multi billion dollar company can out buy a single individual building a PC.. so consoles will have a better overall price to performance.. the FIRST time you buy one.. once you eat the upfront cost of a gaming PC, the cost of owning one over time is about the same as a console or maybe even cheaper... depending on what games you play/when you do upgrades (I know ppl that will only ever buy a new component on black friday week). Etc.. if you like the ease of use for a console, then go for it. If you dont like being told what you can and cant do, build a PC.
I swear I been on their heads about this for years now....Alex Battaglia doesn't like me much,but I respect them for not banning or deleting my comments
Outstanding video Frog, you are spot on everything. I've been preaching to many sour fanboys that the Ps5 Pro is great value over similarly spec pc that could easily cost double. Digital Foundry nit picks zooms in 500x for differences because they wouldn't have a channel otherwise.
lol you can see the grass shimmering like mad in jedi survivor, DF is for enthusiasts that look for these issues like the ps5 pro is fine on a TV sitting on a couch at a distance you wont see the issues. Its DFs job to nitpick the problems are facts some people ar emore sensitive to it than others but it doesnt mean they dont exist.
No. You would just be using the upscaler in your TV that's going to make the image look worse. You need native 1:1 pixel mapping. Frog is completely wrong about pushing a 1440p display as the best way to use a PS5 Pro. The whole point is to utilize 4K panel's extra pixels.
I'm pretty sure DF has talked about how perfect PSSR is in Stellar Blade, which uses a newer version of it. I am one of the gamers that sit close and play 4k, on my pc, and try and get all the fidelity I can. Including raytracing etc. But I love Sony games. Gaming like Horizon Forbidden West on Pro look just as good as anything on my 4090. Besides maybe Cyberpunk and a couple others. Stellar Blade is what I'm playing next!
@@OniiXGaming I did know that, that's why only mentioned pssr when talking about Stellar Blade. Horizon is just a really good piece of old school rendering maxed out on new hardware
All old games. Stellar Blade is unreal engine 4. People need to stop capping for old ass game engines running well. I guess ponies do like old games after all. Muh old games run good on PS5 pro guys....
@@frogboyx1Gaming I subscribed to your channel when you had less than 1000 subscribers and watch it almost daily. I can't keep up with how easily you change your mind tbh. I moved back to PC but I use my consoles from time to time because HDR is objectively better on Consoles paired with OLED tv. Absolutely, the PS5 looks a little better, but it is the same greedy company and it doesn't offer anything better than PC or Game pass even. I would rather play older games at 120+ frames and then some interesting PC exclusives than wait on PS5 for devs to patch games gamers don't even want. To each their own I guess, just don't forget this channel was all about console wars...
I sold my pc with rtx 4090 i paid like $6k , I liked it don’t get me wrong , but price to what you get wasn’t worth it too me , and I decided to pick a ps5 pro and games look very good comparable in some games ,a lot games run flawless almost on ps5 pro yes 4090 can pump out more fps and little bit more picture quality but there always issues stuttering , glitches crashes you name it on pc . Also pssr is miles ahead of first version of dlss what version of dlss are we on like version 10 lol
Facts. I seen that video and was watching the comparison of the jedi game and it was looking better with their own comparison images. Then they said it was bad and im peanut gallery. And whats the obsession comparing a $700 console with a $1500 pc?
Haven't found a game that my 4080 super can't do 4k native though mate. Difference is PlayStation needs upscaling to get 30 fps in a lot of games when using quality visuals
@@Steelninja77 he thinks because you have an option like DLSS that improves image quality over "native" TAA, that it means the card needs DLSS. When in fact it gets roughly the same "native" raster only performance as the xtx. Which doesn't have a way to fix the issues caused by TAA. Him championing PSSR while downplaying DLSS is an odd confliction of bias. If PSSR is in fact good, then DLSS being a noticeably better form of AI Super Sampling is better than good.
I wouldn't run native with a 4080 even if it is capable. Dlss quality will look as good as native and give you more performance. If you got it, might as well use it...
Wsup frogboyx. I have the same setup you have including the lg 39 inch monitor. I was wondering if you tested cyberpunk using afmf 2 with intel sampler, frame generation off, max settings, ray tracing on psycho. I was getting an average of 120 fps or higher and it ran surprisingly smooth. Can you make a video testing this out? I've been using afmf 2 a lot lately because I've been getting well over 240 fps on most of my games and the experience with this monitor is so much better and clearer. I'm finding out, the faster this monitor goes the better it performs. U really should give this a try. Afmf 2 works really well for most of my games except for wukong with ray tracing, that sucks.
Digital Foundry have a point..peanut gallery is certainly a reality in comment threads from fanboys looking for validation...the delusion is strong especially regarding PS5 Pro
Peanut gallery is a hilarious term..it's the cheap seats in the gallery. Perfect analogy where they are sitting they get the worst visual of the movie and the fact ps games are movies..he nailed it 😂
The ps5 pro isn't worth 700 bucks to some of us and perfect reason is we all different human beings.we a like what we like.but bad people want u to hate cause that's what is in there hearts.but keep up the good fight😊
I thought they had some good points regarding PSSR, especially the part of it not being great if starting with low resolution. Liked this discussion more than most of their content.
It think it comes down to ppl want to make themselves feel happy and justify the purchase that they made , like they bought a 3000 dollar pc so they gotta list all the reasons that pc is a smarter choice than the purchase you made
@那人冷靜一點 I'm not trying to say either purchase is smarter than the other cause if you buy it with your money and you like it , it wasn't a bad buy and I didn't even buy a ps5 pro btw
Middle age men crying over the analysis of a tech that didnt go their way pretty much sums up the world right now. DF must be censored! I hope the people saying any criticism when it doesn't work well is petty and pointless, aren't the same people that point to it with praise when working well as being meaningful. But I know that's not the case...
Also our moniter will also display the actual fps up to 240. The amd metric will show how fast it really will go. Was getting 3 to 400 fps on god of war ragnarok.
There is no reason PSSR cant by used in the PS5 and not just the PS5 pro it will proberbly be available on the PS5 sooner or later its just now there trying to sell it for the PS5 pro but really it would run fine on the PS5 as the Pro aint that much more powerfull then the PS5.
They refer to peanut gallary as in fanboys, a fanboy will swear by they see a difference worth $700. THEN u can ask someone with no bias BUT does main ps5 and they can honestly say that there is minimal difference as in slightly clearer picture in some games that is NOT worth $700. PS5 PRO is not worth anything more then $500, anything past that is a very clear price gouge and people are allowing Sony to rob them which will lead to more price gouging in the future. Thats called being part of the problem, if you cant trade in 2 current gen consoles and have enough money to get a ps5 pro thats when you know you are getting robbed AND on top of it gamestop dropped the trade in price for the ps5 dis addition by either $10-$20. TODAY If i was to trade in my ps5 with disc drive and xbox series X i could only get $560 today. THAT IS WHEN YOU KNOW PS5 PRO IS A RIP OFF
I think you need glasses buddy, you cant compare a Playstation 5 pro to a gaming pc lol. Its absolutely embarrassing to even think that. Also its NOT 700$ its 1100$ canadian not including another controller, and Playstation plus. Console is garbage!
You seem to have an agenda against DF. First you say they are Cancer, and now they are responsible for inventing the console wars? And you're often claiming they said things they never even said
Divide and conquer it's everywhere totally like problem reaction solution with all of us spinning pointing fingers. If your tv does not support the features of the PS5 Pro you're just feeding the beast. If you have already spent the money on a capable 120hz TV or Monitor you're going to really enjoy the PS5 Pro. The LG C3 65" incredible TV + the PS5 Pro would be cheaper than what I spent building my gaming PC. Take it from someone who spent the money testing just buy the console and use a cheap laptop or pc for the PC needs. PSSR will be updated overtime like FSR and DLSS is. Get better with time.
did they actually say console gamers are the peanut gallery? So a mother of 4 kids can make all of them happy for $700 (a little more for games and controllers, but pc is worse in that department), it's set up with ZERO computer experience, and that's supposed to be a bad deal? Consoles don't even make money on the console sale, they make money on commissions when people buy games, pc gaming will never compete with that.
You said it. It's great for kids and important in that regard. We have grown men swearing the Peanut Gallery is better than top seats..that is the problem. This is only the reason this conversation is happening..ps fanboys saying this thing is better than a 4070 and even 90.
Dude... You are hyping up checkerbirded pisser tech. I know ps5s are turds, and you cant change my mind. Everyone knows the series S has a faster cpu than PS5, and it has less gpu to push. PS5's have a huge bottleneck trying to push stronger gpus with weak cpus. Mark Cerny is hilarious. I really like that guy being at sony. I wouldnt let him build me a PC.
DF are good at what they do but I honestly don't watch their videos much because I just don't care about most of it I did find the PSSR stuff interesting but I kinda knew it would have issues from lower res upscaling
I feel like you misrepresent the Jedi Survivor issue though, it wasn't just pixel crawl and shimmering, the vegetation looks significantly blurrier and worse image quality than base PS5
This guy champions pssr but also acts like DLSS isn't a game changer. His bias conflicts with his other bias. Doesn't understand how things like TAA work in modern titles. Downplays every negative aspect of the things he champions. You don't have to zoom or slow down anything to see the issues with PSSR, TAA and fsr. They zoom in and slow down because of TH-cam compression. I'm honestly convinced he buys stuff, then spends all his time fighting that feeling of regret. The amount of cope and trying to convince himself PSSR is a game changer, while also having to pretend like he can't see the noticable the improvements that DLSS offers over TAA. Not to mention he loved digital Foundry when they said things that feed his bias.
I think you kind of are overreacting when it comes to DF. There feedback is mostly intended for developers to make a game perform or look better. Without them, a lot of issues where maybe never even really addressed like shader complilation stutter. I'm with you when it comes to John, he is the reason i watch there content because of DF Retro. His videos are in my personal opinion on of the best on this platform, when it comes to love for gaming and pure high quality production.
The PC community is full of some of the biggest toxic cry babies in all of gaming. I've been trolling them the last few weeks and the responses from them are comedy gold. They have this superiority complex and the PS5 Pro is a significant threat to their self importance and egos.
ya i’m tired of the negativity. and we have idiots crying about freakin pronouns! i’m so tired of these anti woke grifters. gaming is suppose to be happy and fun. for all of us!!!
The PS5 Pro is for people who do not know PCs. PC gaming will always he superior, and consoles will be for the casuals who do not know PCs. Why are you being a shill for Sony now?
10:55 you did a side by side and it looked so bad 😂 The floor looked like clay and the lighting was completely removed making it look ps4 lmao. How was that close to the pc version!!??
@@FewCan456 it looked worse in a few games, imo. It currently struggles with RT lighting and needs a fairly high base resolution to be usable. Along with the frame time cost. It reminds me a lot of the DP4A mode of XeSS.
@FewCan456 they looked like 2 different games. The art style looked so different simply due to the lighting. Like the lighting made the world look star wars like and had character the pro just made in look like a another last gen game. The lighting in outlaws really makes a huge difference.
Most pushback from PC users is due to them trying to self justify the cost of a hi end PC and still not being able to better consoles. PCs will ALWAYS have stutter, no matter how powerful the rig.
Even when I was gaming on my GTX 1080TI I was having a better gaming experience than on PS5. A 4070 is better than the pro especially in ray tracing capabilities. Alan wake 2 is a great example of that.
Couldn't tell a difference 90% world gaming population can't Eirther its minimal GT7 no pc racing game can get near its graphics console great ya turn it on it works straight away..If go Pc ya go 4090
As a pc gamer. Things i hate about pc... optimizing every game i try to play. Unoptimized games on pc. I basically play pc just for fps shooters... everything else on console.
What if I told you that 90% of gamers do not care about gaming in 4k, so therefore the 4k capable pc argument is out the window. Furthermore, most don't care about Ray tracing either lol.
I can confirm, IDGAF about raytracing or 4k....Ive tried a 4k monitor is there a difference? sure very slight but not enough of a difference to want 4k over more frames...ill take frames over everything else all day everyday
@leonydus9889 same here, sold it and went back to 1440p. Imo it's just another one of those fomo things, and a big money grab in gaming. Just my opinion
These clowns are such losers they try so hard to put gta 6 down comparing to cyberpunk they will get a wake up call when rockstar shows how to make and optimize a game on console to look next gen. These guys are hard on Nvidia D ridding and everything to them is less they even lied in last of us comparisons where you can clearly see pssr looks better in motion.
I have watched DF for a long time back to 2011 . But this time my friends 😂 They ve been trying their best to make PS5 Pro looks bad !! Ive said this before , i will say it again . How on earth that comparing a 2500USD PC with a 700 USD console that make ANY sense ?! More than that ! Only few garbage unreal 5 game like SilentHill 2 looks bad with PSSR which all of us KNEW its all about those devs NOT the machine's fault ! Ive said so so many time that you guys need to ask why that upscale pssr looks so freaking GOOD on FF7 Rebirth , TLoU 1&2 , Horizon 1&2 , Spider Man 2 , RE 4 remake ... Etc And why it looks bad on few garbage like Silent Hill 2 😂 It is all about those devs , not the hardware ! If they suck at developing pssr into their game then even rtx 4090 still suck a s s ( stalker 😂 ) Do me a favour : Go out there and pick random 5 guys who love playing AAA games asking them build a 700 usd pc that COULD ACTUALLY beat the PS5 Pro ( literally DLSS vs PSSR ) . Dont forget that if you pick a 8G vram vga , you already lost !
Silent Hill 2 looks bad because it's upscaling from like 864p. Beating the PS5 Pro for $700 would be tough if only buying new parts. $900 would be plenty, though. The PS5 Pro CPU is always going to hold back the potential for proper high refresh rate gaming. When GTA6 comes out at 30fps for the PS5 Pro... told you so. Meanwhile the $900 PC will do 60fps just fine.
@@phatminhphan4121 the ps5pro is a 3060ti which is $150 on eBay, so a $600 pc is enough to match the $700 console. You don't need $2500, you're just stupid 😅
Dont be too hard on DF, they just objectivly pointing out the issues. A lot of things actually gets improved because of them
They “objectively” mention what is convenient for them. Go watch Stalker 2 review and he never mentions the screen tearing on the pc side while the Xbox wasn’t.
@mwfcod0932 you do realise that screen tearing can accour on different times at different parts of the image.
If you have a pc that can play stalker 2 you also have a monitor with VRR so screen tearing is a non issue.
Maybe I've gotten old and don't understand it anymore. Isn't it about having fun and getting away from everyday life?
It doesn't matter which platform, the main thing is that you have a good time.
💯 plus the base ps5 is good enough for now, they haven't even optimized most games for it yet i bet
Last time I remember I liked digital foundry was forza 7 xbox one x vs windows I dont like digital foundary is crap this video is perfect
@@hrbt78 you won't have a good time with blurry image and limited 30 or 60 fps
Absolutely 💯
Your not getting old, you just summed it up in a nutshell. Gaming is just a buzz kill now, you cannot even buy anything and look forward to it anymore.
DF profits from all this. Nobody cared about this stuff in the ninetees. People used to buy games and have fun. No zooming in on pixels and no framerate counters.
Sometimes it can be interesting, but most of their stuff is being used for negativity.
Technology was primitive. Even as a little kid I'd get plenty frustrated with games slowing down. Zelda OOT averaging like 20fps. Yikes. PS2 pushed a lot of games to 60fps and Nintendo has also prioritized 60fps for most of their 1st party titles.
Then why do people buy a ps5 or even a ps5pro if it doesn't matter, just play on ps4😂
Nobody cared about this stuff in the 90s? Oh yes they did. There were intense console wars between Nintendo and Sega. People were constantly comparing graphics on the various machines, in particular NES/Genesis/SNES.
In other news i've upset a load of PC gamers saying 12GB of vram isn't enough for me & no one should be buying a GPU under 16GB🤣
And no one should be buying a GPU without dedicated AI and RT cores. If the RTX 2060 and Arc a310 have the basic hardware and software that new releases are built around then all modern cards should.
In fairness I've run out of VRAM at 16GB at 4k so I think 24GB should be the baseline for 4k cards now.
Lol I think that's my 4070
@@RJTHEGAME probably esports gamers that run 4090s 1080p low settings.
In fairness there's a lot of them and they would probably love a cheaper 4090 with 12GB over the expensive of 24GB they will never use.
It's certainly not how I play!
@Spratty-wb3is yeah not how I wanna play like yourself 😂. Low settings on a GPU like that seems a total waste. On vram I'm almost sure I'm seeing more buildings and texture popping in the distance with lower 12GB vram GPUs. It's something I don't notice as much on the XTX. I think because the memory pool is bigger it loads more into certain games so you don't notice it
I think I also noticed it a bit more on the 4080 super but wasn't as noticeable as 12GB vram GPUs. Hogwarts seems to load textures in constantly which is off putting for me.
You can literally see the foliage shimmering. Doesn't do it on my new PS5 slim 😂 you need to go opticians. It looks terrible with that shimmering.
Yeah, I completely disagree with what you're saying up to about 3 minutes into the video. I'm a console gamer with a PS5 Pro, and what I took from the video is completely different from your interpretation.
As someone who owns and plays on all platforms, Digital Foundry provides a fantastic service to show comparisons in graphics and performance among the various platforms. They help a ton when it comes to making buying decisions for what platform I want to buy a particular game on. They've never driven a wedge between gamers, at least not the insecure ones. And it's extremely silly to act like Digital Foundry is fueling the console wars when that shit was never hotter than it was during the days of the Genesis and SNES. It's very tame these days by comparison.
Agree to disagree my friend. Digital Foundry is hurting gaming.
brotha is so pressed and projecting i was dying of laughter frogboy " i hate you for not saying my ps5 pro is perfect " .....speaker " sir this is a Wendy's " lol
Frog, 99% of PRO owner have $1500 OLED TV they aint buying a monitor we both know that.
A oled tv is also for watching movies or TV, not just gaming.
I'm a Pro owner that has both a 4K 75" Mini-LED TV and a 4K 32" Mini-LED monitor connected to my Pro. Games are definitely running more smoothly with VRR on the Pro than my base PS5 did, and games with Pro patches look significantly better. UE5 and PSVR2 games particularly had the biggest improvement.
Enjoying my experience on my $2500 77" LG C4.
I am a ex PC gamer who bought the Pro and i am enjoying gaming again. I will never forgive Nvidia for that crypto BS.
@@Michael.Talbot what does crypto have to do with Nvidia 😂 i swear console peasants are the stupidest thing on earth
I called Sony customer service and asked where I could send feedback. The guy on the phone told me to write a letter in almost 2025. Sony is dropping the ball on customer service
I have a 4080 and an I9 and I also bought the Pro and can't complain at all! for 700$ this machine is playing some of the beefiest AAA titles at over 60 fps 4k upscaled so I can't complain. Regardless though average gamers shouldn't care about this shit, just enjoy gaming! A buddy of mine has been on PC since his birth, he's NEVER owned a console and he's also never seen a DF video and doesn't care about that shit. He's currently playing Stalker 2 on a mid-range/low end PC and is barely getting 45 fps but he's having a blast and loving the game! He actually kind of inspired me man because even though it was low fps.. it was smooth. His CPU wasn't struggling because his GPU was max utilization at 45 fps, really opened my eyes. stop monitoring that shit, if you're getting a smooth experience and having fun that's what's important on any platform. enjoy gaming without the numbers!
You said it perfectly, gaming is about enjoying yourself! And having a smooth experience is always going to make a difference.
If you have a decent monitor, the PS5 Pro is absolutely worth it. If you don't have a decent monitor... don't buy it. $700 is a lot of money but everything is more expensive these days. Flagship mobile phones are well over $1000 so....
I am a PC gamer as of a year and a half ago getting my similar set up to what you have minus the 1440 p monitor. I use the LGC3 48 as my daily driver. Love it.
Anyways, I got a PS five pro and even though I’ve been trying to explain to a lot of my friends that grew up on console- how amazing it is to play on PC … the pro is impressing me. No front, I think for the value and for what I like- it is a nice jab in the arena of what I like to play. Solid.
John at digital foundry is cool. Not the others. In fact, I’m starting to only click on videos that he is in.
Honestly John is the only reason I still pay any attention to DF
DF live rent free in his head every time they don't celebrate PSSR as being the be all end all. lol.
Worse..they literally called content creators like him out in the recent video. I watched it basically calling anyone who thinks pssr looks good in some of these games like outlaws is a shill 😂.
They basically put him, debatch, daily hubranx, mbg all in the picnic basket and called them shills. Genius move 😅.
@@c523jw7 Haha got em
@@c523jw7 which episode was that
@@c523jw7I hope they do start to call people out.
Good on them!
@@那人冷靜一點 it was there weekly catch up. They kind of fuc#ed these shill channels in a classy subconscious way. Proof is the reaction of the Peanut Gallery Manager 😂
The console isn't 4k capable tho😂800p upscaled to 4k is just stupid, ps5pro should be native 1080p in all games
The console literally supports 4K… there’s games that play native 4K on it
@BigJugsRule92 the ps5pro is a 3060ti which is a gpu for 1080p, even a 1050ti can run Minecraft at 4k but does that mean it SHOULD?
DF has a team of foliage rendering experts
Right LOL muh vegetation
If you like pssr you would love dlss. Many sources like TPU, HBU, DF, DSOgsming ect have had it beating "native" since version 2.5. Since 3.1 it hasnt even been close.
😂 dont bring up dlss in this channel. Dlss is too perfect apparently.
Hi @frogboyx1Gaming. I really appreciate your content man, keep it up.
An important point that we have to keep in mind is that just as games that are "not 100%" on Pro may receive updates to correct these small details, PSSR itself will receive constant updates, polishing the edges and constantly improving its level. I mean, in terms of upscaling, DLSS is currently a reference, but people forget that at launch it had problems, and had to go through refinement updates to reach the current level.
The PS5 Pro is a sensational console at launch, and it will only get better. How could I complain about a product that delivers so much quality and that will increase in value over time!?
I only hear truths, in everything you bring in your videos.
I really appreciate the support 🙏
I get DLSS launch with problems but the first implementation of XeSS (2022) launch and beats FSR.
@@OniiXGaming Perfectly brother. Some people insist on bringing the spotlight to these details only, and pretend to believe that the PSSR will be static forever and will not have updates correcting the points of improvement, whereas in fact they know that it is an initial version, almost a beta, and that, like other upscaling systems, they had problems in the first version and were adjusted over time.
@@frogboyx1Gaming For more channels and sensible and honest people like you, brother. The world needs more of this. 👊
They make it seem like this huge difference and you can barely tell. Its the same with audiophiles and expensive headphones.
Well it's big difference, i guess you never owned a decent pc or any good earphones/headphones 😂
@那人冷靜一點 I have and no it's not. That's exactly my point.
@@wooskie29 Lol no you haven't 😂your $10 cheap ass headphones isn't expensive
Never in my 34 year of my life , 200 USD gap has created so much non sense controversies like this time 😂😂😂
Oh my god !!! It is so freaking ezzzz . Buy the new pro and sell the old base one ! God !
Right
Or just play on PC and avoid 30fps gaming at all costs. I just slapped together a 5600x/4070 build for $883 that would smoke the PS5 Pro. Black Friday deals coming up too.
I guess if you like artifacts and shimmering in your games... 200 bucks is a no brainer. The funny thing is the ponies actually think the PS6 will cost less. This whole ordeal has me cracking up, ngl.
That’s literally what I did 😂
Like how this channel has changed for the better!
Meeeeee Toooooooo!
I appreciate your input! I totally agree you. Gaming has gotten very weird these days and 100% Digital Foundry with their contents have played a role in this division among gamers. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy thier analysis and comparisons but I don't always agree with them especially when comparing console to PC analysis. Two complete differences when playing for two complete different types of gamers.
One being a high end PC depending upon how deep your wallet is for a PC gaming rig and another type of gamers who just want simplicity & affordability with a Console that offers high Fidelity & enjoyable performance.
It's all about having Fun right and enjoying the games at the end of the day regardless on what you are playing on. I do think they expect too much for a $700 console when comparing to PC, but I also believe thier critique pushes developers and companies like Sony to improve and get better Which I'm all for that. For me, PS5 Pro is no doubt worth a $700 console. Games look & play ridiculous on my LG G1 Oled TV. I love it, and super happy I made the upgrade from the PS5 console. I also Think gamers as a whole have taken this way too serious as well. We all need to cool down and be happy with what you have and have FUN!
DF are a pro-Console channel. The PC side coverage is really just for tech advancements.
3:07 Digitial Foundry fighting back against Frogboy1x gaming.
😂😂
Sometimes the console graphics optimization looks really good on pc but you can get a lot more than 1080p/30fps on pc. Which is why digital foundry is good when you actually dont care for console graphics but also dont want console performance.
Frogman your videos have been incredible lately. The honesty and perspective that you have as a PC gamer is one that needs to be heard more. Here I have my PS5 Pro review as a loyal Playstation fan. This is how a review is supposed to be done. Show the games, and hear the opinion of the people who planned ahead and purchased the console at its launch price:th-cam.com/video/zdq_Ici3Jgc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=61TUfrO2_zU8ZsX
Gaming PC>Consoles. Period. Yes, I do acknowledge that a multi billion dollar company can out buy a single individual building a PC.. so consoles will have a better overall price to performance.. the FIRST time you buy one.. once you eat the upfront cost of a gaming PC, the cost of owning one over time is about the same as a console or maybe even cheaper... depending on what games you play/when you do upgrades (I know ppl that will only ever buy a new component on black friday week). Etc.. if you like the ease of use for a console, then go for it. If you dont like being told what you can and cant do, build a PC.
I swear I been on their heads about this for years now....Alex Battaglia doesn't like me much,but I respect them for not banning or deleting my comments
Without the PS5 Pro their channel would have next to nothing to talk about, ironic.
Right
Outstanding video Frog, you are spot on everything. I've been preaching to many sour fanboys that the Ps5 Pro is great value over similarly spec pc that could easily cost double. Digital Foundry nit picks zooms in 500x for differences because they wouldn't have a channel otherwise.
lol you can see the grass shimmering like mad in jedi survivor, DF is for enthusiasts that look for these issues like the ps5 pro is fine on a TV sitting on a couch at a distance you wont see the issues. Its DFs job to nitpick the problems are facts some people ar emore sensitive to it than others but it doesnt mean they dont exist.
Idk man..Ubisoft's Star Wars Outlaws does not look good even on a PS5 Pro with the patch...it ok on a high-end PC
You saying that having the best seats in the house. Imagine what you get in the Peanut Gallery 😂
lol it’s shit on anything
@@Acconda it's even shitter on PS5 Pro with a PS5 enhanced patch
What about setting the console to output 1440p on a 4k tv? Have you tried that? If that works half way decently that would be awesome.
No. You would just be using the upscaler in your TV that's going to make the image look worse. You need native 1:1 pixel mapping. Frog is completely wrong about pushing a 1440p display as the best way to use a PS5 Pro. The whole point is to utilize 4K panel's extra pixels.
It will delegate the upscaling to your TV
I'm pretty sure DF has talked about how perfect PSSR is in Stellar Blade, which uses a newer version of it. I am one of the gamers that sit close and play 4k, on my pc, and try and get all the fidelity I can. Including raytracing etc. But I love Sony games. Gaming like Horizon Forbidden West on Pro look just as good as anything on my 4090. Besides maybe Cyberpunk and a couple others. Stellar Blade is what I'm playing next!
Horizon doesn't have PSSR
I think it's a great game and I'm happy you're enjoying it on the Pro.
@@OniiXGaming I did know that, that's why only mentioned pssr when talking about Stellar Blade. Horizon is just a really good piece of old school rendering maxed out on new hardware
@@frogboyx1Gaming definitely enjoying it
All old games. Stellar Blade is unreal engine 4. People need to stop capping for old ass game engines running well. I guess ponies do like old games after all. Muh old games run good on PS5 pro guys....
Is that even news? Those guys are always finding ways to criticize consoles. We all know that they're budget machines like the cheapest economy cars.
Frog, do you remember when you used to say checkerbirds every 5 minutes? I remember
Absolutely 💯
@@frogboyx1Gaming I subscribed to your channel when you had less than 1000 subscribers and watch it almost daily. I can't keep up with how easily you change your mind tbh. I moved back to PC but I use my consoles from time to time because HDR is objectively better on Consoles paired with OLED tv. Absolutely, the PS5 looks a little better, but it is the same greedy company and it doesn't offer anything better than PC or Game pass even. I would rather play older games at 120+ frames and then some interesting PC exclusives than wait on PS5 for devs to patch games gamers don't even want. To each their own I guess, just don't forget this channel was all about console wars...
I sold my pc with rtx 4090 i paid like $6k , I liked it don’t get me wrong , but price to what you get wasn’t worth it too me , and I decided to pick a ps5 pro and games look very good comparable in some games ,a lot games run flawless almost on ps5 pro yes 4090 can pump out more fps and little bit more picture quality but there always issues stuttering , glitches crashes you name it on pc . Also pssr is miles ahead of first version of dlss what version of dlss are we on like version 10 lol
Facts. I seen that video and was watching the comparison of the jedi game and it was looking better with their own comparison images. Then they said it was bad and im peanut gallery. And whats the obsession comparing a $700 console with a $1500 pc?
They are PC guys literally making fun of the peanut gallery console gamers.
Haven't found a game that my 4080 super can't do 4k native though mate. Difference is PlayStation needs upscaling to get 30 fps in a lot of games when using quality visuals
Oh really? You do realize that I had a 4080 Super and there were plenty of games it couldn't run native 4k
@@Steelninja77 he thinks because you have an option like DLSS that improves image quality over "native" TAA, that it means the card needs DLSS. When in fact it gets roughly the same "native" raster only performance as the xtx. Which doesn't have a way to fix the issues caused by TAA.
Him championing PSSR while downplaying DLSS is an odd confliction of bias. If PSSR is in fact good, then DLSS being a noticeably better form of AI Super Sampling is better than good.
@@Sp3cialk304and this is the problem and why several of us think he is very bias.
I wouldn't run native with a 4080 even if it is capable.
Dlss quality will look as good as native and give you more performance.
If you got it, might as well use it...
@@frogboyx1Gamingwhat do you mean by "couldn't run"😂 not native 4k at 240fps?
Wsup frogboyx. I have the same setup you have including the lg 39 inch monitor. I was wondering if you tested cyberpunk using afmf 2 with intel sampler, frame generation off, max settings, ray tracing on psycho. I was getting an average of 120 fps or higher and it ran surprisingly smooth. Can you make a video testing this out? I've been using afmf 2 a lot lately because I've been getting well over 240 fps on most of my games and the experience with this monitor is so much better and clearer. I'm finding out, the faster this monitor goes the better it performs. U really should give this a try. Afmf 2 works really well for most of my games except for wukong with ray tracing, that sucks.
I did actually it was pretty good with AFMF enabled
I think I did post that video a long time ago
I like peanuts, and peanut butter, always have always will!
Digital Foundry have a point..peanut gallery is certainly a reality in comment threads from fanboys looking for validation...the delusion is strong especially regarding PS5 Pro
Peanut gallery is a hilarious term..it's the cheap seats in the gallery. Perfect analogy where they are sitting they get the worst visual of the movie and the fact ps games are movies..he nailed it 😂
@c523jw7 yep couldn't of said it any better 👏
The ps5 pro isn't worth 700 bucks to some of us and perfect reason is we all different human beings.we a like what we like.but bad people want u to hate cause that's what is in there hearts.but keep up the good fight😊
I agree I love John from DF and his video reviews of unique games!
I thought they had some good points regarding PSSR, especially the part of it not being great if starting with low resolution. Liked this discussion more than most of their content.
It think it comes down to ppl want to make themselves feel happy and justify the purchase that they made , like they bought a 3000 dollar pc so they gotta list all the reasons that pc is a smarter choice than the purchase you made
The ps5pro is equivalent to a $150 3060ti tho😂and a pc with 60ti is around $600😂so it is the smarter choice
@那人冷靜一點 I'm not trying to say either purchase is smarter than the other cause if you buy it with your money and you like it , it wasn't a bad buy and I didn't even buy a ps5 pro btw
Imbecile @@那人冷靜一點
They’re taking objective measurements. They aren’t doing it to make you feel bad about your new toy. Stop attaching emotion to your latest purchase.
Emotion is all I have left.
And to think, I have my Pro hooked up to 1440P monitor, LG 45'inch Oled The Pro is magnificent
You got yourself a great setup there!
DF just need content to talk about and like to cater to the whiny internet crowd who just want something to bitch about
Middle age men crying over the analysis of a tech that didnt go their way pretty much sums up the world right now.
DF must be censored!
I hope the people saying any criticism when it doesn't work well is petty and pointless, aren't the same people that point to it with praise when working well as being meaningful.
But I know that's not the case...
Also our moniter will also display the actual fps up to 240. The amd metric will show how fast it really will go. Was getting 3 to 400 fps on god of war ragnarok.
no shot you’re getting anywhere near that framerate lol
for anyone wondering if the ps5 pro is actually good or not
froggy is defending it
you now have your answer
😂
Am I though?
Is the PS5 slim a good console ?
Yeah just get a 1440p monitor for it
😂😂😂 the titles of these videos just make me smile.
Now lets see what Froggy is up to here 😅
Nothing 💭
There is no reason PSSR cant by used in the PS5 and not just the PS5 pro it will proberbly be available on the PS5 sooner or later its just now there trying to sell it for the PS5 pro but really it would run fine on the PS5 as the Pro aint that much more powerfull then the PS5.
They refer to peanut gallary as in fanboys, a fanboy will swear by they see a difference worth $700. THEN u can ask someone with no bias BUT does main ps5 and they can honestly say that there is minimal difference as in slightly clearer picture in some games that is NOT worth $700. PS5 PRO is not worth anything more then $500, anything past that is a very clear price gouge and people are allowing Sony to rob them which will lead to more price gouging in the future. Thats called being part of the problem, if you cant trade in 2 current gen consoles and have enough money to get a ps5 pro thats when you know you are getting robbed AND on top of it gamestop dropped the trade in price for the ps5 dis addition by either $10-$20. TODAY If i was to trade in my ps5 with disc drive and xbox series X i could only get $560 today. THAT IS WHEN YOU KNOW PS5 PRO IS A RIP OFF
No it means worst seats in the theatre. Hilarious cus it means ps players get the worst view of their movie (ironic their games are movies 😂)
ps5 pro has visuals? arent those the same as ps5
Kudos to ur efforts keep up the good work mate!!
I appreciate your positivity on the gaming experience
Thank you
I think you need glasses buddy, you cant compare a Playstation 5 pro to a gaming pc lol. Its absolutely embarrassing to even think that. Also its NOT 700$ its 1100$ canadian not including another controller, and Playstation plus.
Console is garbage!
You seem to have an agenda against DF. First you say they are Cancer, and now they are responsible for inventing the console wars? And you're often claiming they said things they never even said
They ruin gaming for a lot of people my friend so I believe it's fair to push back on them sometimes
@@frogboyx1Gaming It just isn't true
Please advocate for more PS4 3rd party patches for the pro 🙏 cyberpunk ac Valhalla shadow of tomb raider
Yeah that's a good idea.
cd project red said no, why waste resources on a tiny audience
Divide and conquer it's everywhere totally like problem reaction solution with all of us spinning pointing fingers. If your tv does not support the features of the PS5 Pro you're just feeding the beast. If you have already spent the money on a capable 120hz TV or Monitor you're going to really enjoy the PS5 Pro. The LG C3 65" incredible TV + the PS5 Pro would be cheaper than what I spent building my gaming PC. Take it from someone who spent the money testing just buy the console and use a cheap laptop or pc for the PC needs. PSSR will be updated overtime like FSR and DLSS is. Get better with time.
Well said.
Yes 👍 the PS 5 Pro is a good console in my opinion !
did they actually say console gamers are the peanut gallery? So a mother of 4 kids can make all of them happy for $700 (a little more for games and controllers, but pc is worse in that department), it's set up with ZERO computer experience, and that's supposed to be a bad deal? Consoles don't even make money on the console sale, they make money on commissions when people buy games, pc gaming will never compete with that.
You said it. It's great for kids and important in that regard. We have grown men swearing the Peanut Gallery is better than top seats..that is the problem. This is only the reason this conversation is happening..ps fanboys saying this thing is better than a 4070 and even 90.
@@c523jw7 4090? lol; for that price I can buy 2 ps5, an extra TV, a couch or two, and have a MASSIVE PARTY!!!!
@@c523jw7 NVIDIA should cancel the 5090. PS5 Pro is here with PSSR! PC gaming can't ever hope to compete.
@@c523jw7console peasants are stupid that's why😂most are uneducated so they can only afford a console 😂😂
Its easy when you can afford a 4080 to stick your nose up at console
Dude... You are hyping up checkerbirded pisser tech. I know ps5s are turds, and you cant change my mind. Everyone knows the series S has a faster cpu than PS5, and it has less gpu to push. PS5's have a huge bottleneck trying to push stronger gpus with weak cpus. Mark Cerny is hilarious. I really like that guy being at sony. I wouldnt let him build me a PC.
I don't know. I think you should try it yourself and see if you like it. I have been quite impressed with it honestly.
@frogboyx1Gaming I'll stick with my series S and gamepass.
DF are good at what they do but I honestly don't watch their videos much because I just don't care about most of it
I did find the PSSR stuff interesting but I kinda knew it would have issues from lower res upscaling
I feel like you misrepresent the Jedi Survivor issue though, it wasn't just pixel crawl and shimmering, the vegetation looks significantly blurrier and worse image quality than base PS5
This guy champions pssr but also acts like DLSS isn't a game changer. His bias conflicts with his other bias. Doesn't understand how things like TAA work in modern titles. Downplays every negative aspect of the things he champions. You don't have to zoom or slow down anything to see the issues with PSSR, TAA and fsr. They zoom in and slow down because of TH-cam compression.
I'm honestly convinced he buys stuff, then spends all his time fighting that feeling of regret. The amount of cope and trying to convince himself PSSR is a game changer, while also having to pretend like he can't see the noticable the improvements that DLSS offers over TAA. Not to mention he loved digital Foundry when they said things that feed his bias.
@@Sp3cialk304 well in stalker 2 in example if you do dlss from low internal resolution you will get very similar shimmering on foliage like pssr.
I think you kind of are overreacting when it comes to DF. There feedback is mostly intended for developers to make a game perform or look better. Without them, a lot of issues where maybe never even really addressed like shader complilation stutter. I'm with you when it comes to John, he is the reason i watch there content because of DF Retro. His videos are in my personal opinion on of the best on this platform, when it comes to love for gaming and pure high quality production.
Maybe you are right. Like I said I took the peanut gallery comment personally.
Frogboy VS Rich! Royal Rumble!!
Bro stop saying 1440P no one is buying the pro to play on 1440P monitor 💀
Yes, the ps5pro should be a 1080p machine
It's the best visual option for the Pro.
The PC community is full of some of the biggest toxic cry babies in all of gaming. I've been trolling them the last few weeks and the responses from them are comedy gold. They have this superiority complex and the PS5 Pro is a significant threat to their self importance and egos.
lol oh yeah dood, get em! PC guys are sweating that 3700x/4060Ti BEAST. Ahahaha
@@Phil_529 the ps5pro is not even a 4060ti, it's a 3060ti with worse upscaler😂😂
@@那人冷靜一點 Facts
Geez, you just don't know
@@erey214 how much did you spend on your rig?
the ps5 pro isnt running 4k 60fps without upscaling either, and bro i can see the grass artifacting and flickering from here
100% and upscaling technologies like DLSS to a far better and convincing 4k resolve than PSSR or that on console
ya i’m tired of the negativity. and we have idiots crying about freakin pronouns! i’m so tired of these anti woke grifters. gaming is suppose to be happy and fun. for all of us!!!
I guess the next Xbox and PS6 are both so going to be PC wanna-be..
The PS5 Pro is for people who do not know PCs. PC gaming will always he superior, and consoles will be for the casuals who do not know PCs.
Why are you being a shill for Sony now?
Thanks for clearing my head. I love my Pro. You put things in an easy understandable way. I’m happy so that’s all that matters.
Appreciate the support!
Yea for real content creators be lying 🤥
10:55 you did a side by side and it looked so bad 😂
The floor looked like clay and the lighting was completely removed making it look ps4 lmao.
How was that close to the pc version!!??
@@c523jw7 he's used to looking at TAA or another form of filter based temporal image reconstruction on the PC. Not a hard bar to pass.
@@Sp3cialk304 in his comparison of Star Wars Outlaws, it looked obviously a lot worse on the Pro
@@FewCan456 it looked worse in a few games, imo. It currently struggles with RT lighting and needs a fairly high base resolution to be usable. Along with the frame time cost. It reminds me a lot of the DP4A mode of XeSS.
@FewCan456 they looked like 2 different games. The art style looked so different simply due to the lighting. Like the lighting made the world look star wars like and had character the pro just made in look like a another last gen game. The lighting in outlaws really makes a huge difference.
It think jedi survivor and even jedi fallen order look better so do most games i play on the pro
Console Peasants
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@@c523jw7 😂 👊
Digital Foundry must be PC Snobs.
Most pushback from PC users is due to them trying to self justify the cost of a hi end PC and still not being able to better consoles.
PCs will ALWAYS have stutter, no matter how powerful the rig.
You don't need a high end pc to beat the ps5pro😅 the pro is a 3060ti which is $150 on ebay
@那人冷靜一點 lmao PS5 pro is widely accepted to be closest to a 4070. Do your research before spouting bs.
Even when I was gaming on my GTX 1080TI I was having a better gaming experience than on PS5. A 4070 is better than the pro especially in ray tracing capabilities. Alan wake 2 is a great example of that.
@@jedinite128 a 4070 is 43% faster than the ps5pro, even a 3070 is 10% faster 😂 Stop being a delusional console peasant
@@jedinite128 a 4070 is 43% faster than the pro, even the 3070 is 10% faster😂😂😂👉🤡
click and bait get u a thumbs down .
Your content is underrated and should get more views. Very indepth breakdown of todays gaming
I appreciate the support my friend
Couldn't tell a difference 90% world gaming population can't Eirther its minimal GT7 no pc racing game can get near its graphics console great ya turn it on it works straight away..If go Pc ya go 4090
DF is biased against Playstation
lol good one
@FiniteRich Watch the next time they do a Microsoft exclusive game. Every time they find a problem, they say it's just a bug along those lines.
As a pc gamer. Things i hate about pc... optimizing every game i try to play. Unoptimized games on pc. I basically play pc just for fps shooters... everything else on console.
Digital Foundry getting a lot of clicks, and attention because of the pro.
No different than usual.
Like most content creators. Negativity is what people seem to like.
Frogboy1xgaming
- Manager, Peanut Gallery
What if I told you that 90% of gamers do not care about gaming in 4k, so therefore the 4k capable pc argument is out the window. Furthermore, most don't care about Ray tracing either lol.
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I can confirm, IDGAF about raytracing or 4k....Ive tried a 4k monitor is there a difference? sure very slight but not enough of a difference to want 4k over more frames...ill take frames over everything else all day everyday
@leonydus9889 same here, sold it and went back to 1440p. Imo it's just another one of those fomo things, and a big money grab in gaming. Just my opinion
@@leonydus98894k monitor is vastly different than playing on a massive 4k tv.
These clowns are such losers they try so hard to put gta 6 down comparing to cyberpunk they will get a wake up call when rockstar shows how to make and optimize a game on console to look next gen. These guys are hard on Nvidia D ridding and everything to them is less they even lied in last of us comparisons where you can clearly see pssr looks better in motion.
You mean 30fps gta5 on ps3? Yeah great performance and optimization😂😂😂
The ps5 pro naaaahhh…
The RTX Nvidia yes 🙌
My 3070 just won’t quit its running like a champ… and I also got the 4080☺️😌😌
Theirs some truth to what your saying especially Oliver hes really nit picky on console graphics. Compared to ps5 the pro rocks
Playstation is ass
always was
always will be
@@FiniteRich bro ps1 and 2 were the bomb
I know digital foundry trashes the pro by comparing it to a 3080 with DLSS. They never compare it to Xbox series x or ps5
They do compare it to PS5 and Series X and it looks/performs worse on the Pro in some instances 😂😂
They compared the pro to a rtx3070, and the pro is 10% slower😂
richard literally compared it to the power of a 3090 before it released lol
I have watched DF for a long time back to 2011 . But this time my friends 😂
They ve been trying their best to make PS5 Pro looks bad !!
Ive said this before , i will say it again . How on earth that comparing a 2500USD PC with a 700 USD console that make ANY sense ?!
More than that ! Only few garbage unreal 5 game like SilentHill 2 looks bad with PSSR which all of us KNEW its all about those devs NOT the machine's fault !
Ive said so so many time that you guys need to ask why that upscale pssr looks so freaking GOOD on FF7 Rebirth , TLoU 1&2 , Horizon 1&2 , Spider Man 2 , RE 4 remake ... Etc
And why it looks bad on few garbage like Silent Hill 2 😂
It is all about those devs , not the hardware ! If they suck at developing pssr into their game then even rtx 4090 still suck a s s ( stalker 😂 )
Do me a favour : Go out there and pick random 5 guys who love playing AAA games asking them build a 700 usd pc that COULD ACTUALLY beat the PS5 Pro ( literally DLSS vs PSSR ) . Dont forget that if you pick a 8G vram vga , you already lost !
Silent Hill 2 looks bad because it's upscaling from like 864p. Beating the PS5 Pro for $700 would be tough if only buying new parts. $900 would be plenty, though. The PS5 Pro CPU is always going to hold back the potential for proper high refresh rate gaming. When GTA6 comes out at 30fps for the PS5 Pro... told you so. Meanwhile the $900 PC will do 60fps just fine.
@@phatminhphan4121 the ps5pro is a 3060ti which is $150 on eBay, so a $600 pc is enough to match the $700 console. You don't need $2500, you're just stupid 😅