I'm 57, so my first 2 watches were mechanical because back in the 70s you wouldn't give a kid an expensive high-tech item such as a quartz watch. Yes, expensive, and high-tech. Roughly speaking, quartz was more expensive than mechanical, at least in the low-tier segment until Swatch came along. I bought my first quartz watch out of my own savings at age 15 and it was much better than my mechanical watch, even better than my dad's gold Omega. The ticking second hand was absolutely mesmerizing, it took real effort to stop looking at it and pay attention in school. Fast forward to today, I have 1 Smartwatch, 5 quartz and 12 mechanical watches (one hand wound). They are different watches. I appreciate the effort that goes into making an automatic watch and most of the designs are much more appealing. Yet, quartz is usually more accurate than even my COSC and METAS certified mechanicals. You can think of the difference between a painting and a photograph. Want accuracy? Go for a photograph or a quartz watch. Want art and a glimpse of the creator's soul? Go for a painting or a mechanical watch
Just took my 21yr old Citizen Eco drive out of storage, charged it on a super bright flood light, reset it by pulling the pin for 30 seconds and hey presto it works. Never had the capacitor changed either. This is what I love about Citizen and when I was watch shopping at the time I noticed most of the staff wearing Citizens so that told me how good they were
@@profound369 I don't know where you are but In the UK they sell lots of other brands at most watch stores like Seiko, Tag Heur, Casio, Lorus, Swatch and usually a few others too.
casio 5600 turns off when knot moved. not even a smart one. very impressive. would like ceramics tho... but vGv i guess ^ ^ yes my cit diver is still running but not nearlie 5 months without light... borderline heavy towards my 1 seiko auto titanium is nice n light in my junkers ^^
I’ve collected watches for years and own both mechanical and quartz.The problem with mechanical watches is the expense of servicing them. If like me you own a good number of these watches, the expense of service is just too much. My suggestion would be to own a few very nice mechanical watches and the rest of your collection be quartz. I’ve gotten the point now where I wear my quartz watches more often than the mechanical. Quartz timepieces keep much better time and are much more robust.
@ I love all my mechanical watches and yes they’re much more interesting than most of my quartz watches but the cost of keeping all my mechanical pieces serviced is pretty steep. Hope you have a good holiday.
I have a Casio Wave Ceptor that I like because it sets itself every day, so it's always right on time, and I don't have to manually set it ever, even for daylight savings time. I like automatic watches too for the look and seeing the gears at work, but when it comes to accurate timekeeping, the one true purpose of watches, quartz is the way to go.
I have a casio wave cepter as well. Hard to fault it. I like the way the seconds hand is in sync. with my citizen radio controlled watches. I can't discern any lag at all between them. It's quite enjoyable to watch!
Reminds me of the debate in photography between film vs digital. I personally really enjoy classic designs, but with modern functionality. Quartz watches and digital cameras with a retro style. A mechanical watch isnt going to tell the time better for me, in fact it's going to be much less accurate. A film camera is going to be incredibly limiting to me and my vision. As Pedro meyer said, many people today are looking towards the future in a rearview mirror.
Actually, as a citizen watch owner and small collection owner, mainly of citizen watches, I find it really annoying that the myth about the eco drive system not needing a new battery (capacitor) is being perpetuated by people like you. Yes, it does!! It is a rechargable battery, but still a battery and subject to failure. However, these rechargable batteries last for at least 20 years as opposed to non rechargeable batteries. They also cost a lot more. I have one of the first citizen skyhawk watches, which is now some 25 to 30 years old and I have only recently had a new capacitor fitted. Being radio controlled it is accurate to about 1sec. a day and water resistant to 200m without any tiresome screw down crown. It has a multitude of other features (complications) as well and cost me £350 all those years ago. If you want to pay many thousands of pounds/dollars, what have you, for a lesser useful watch then you've got too much money. If you want a piece of jewelry then go out and buy yourself a few diamond encrusted bangles, rings and ear rings, ducky! Yeah, I know what you're thinking. I'm jealous and you're right, I am, but I'd still put a citizen eco drive, radio controlled watch on my wrist. Wear it and forget it, until you want to know the time or day or month or year.
I own mechanical, automatics, quartz, quartz solar. My go to is quartz solar. Sturdy and accurate. What is the primary function of a wrist watch? To tell accurate time comfortably. Everything else is secondary and subjective.
@@polong99perhaps for your lifestyle, picture a factory worker that needs to know time but isn't allowed a phone on the factory floor for safety reasons. Or a individual participating in a mud run. Imagine a rifleman on patrol checking time for small unit coordination. These are just three of potentially endless examples where lifestyle requires accurate and durable time keeping where a phone isn't optional where a quartz watch is required.
I wear a watvh as assessory with a function. Well made automatic gives me a smile when I look at them . If i am not wearing automatic. I go for the casio F91. Looks retro and easier to wear than all Quatz wstches. Quartz are so bland for me.
I agree with everything said in the video. I've been slowly selling my moderately priced ($300 to $1200) automatic watches and now primarily wear a $45 quartz watch.
As a watch collector the more watches you get the more you wish they were quartz because you can grab and go. That alone is huge for me and I mostly wear quartz now and I great mechanical watches from Rolex, Tudor, Sinn, Seiko, etc etc. If it’s a special occasion I’ll pull out, wind, set my auto but when I’m off to work in a hurry I grab quartz. I wish all watches had a quartz option! If they did I would own very few mechanical watches. Also watch check: as I type this I’m wearing my brand new quartz Wolbrook skindiver chrono with the brown dial! It’s a beautiful watch.
I'd argue the differences in timekeeping ability are almost irrelevant in a time where everyone has a smartphone that's linked to an atomic clock. Adjust your crappy Vostok/Seiko/China watch once a week, and they are more than precise enough for all intents and purposes.
@@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097 Seems to me your argument is self defeating, acknowledging that the only time pieces of relevance are those that are run by the atomic clock? Wearing a light powered, radio regulated quartz, with perpetual calender means never having to reset or service your watch and never having to pull your phone out and turn it on, just to check the time.
Just picked up the Quarts Tissot PRX. The Automatic version with the waffle dial just doesn’t do it for me because the movement and dial I feel is not worth the extra 300 bucks. Great video. ❤
50 dollars quartz that tells time more accurately than a 200 dollars automatic. It's a no brainer. If you need to change battery less than a year that means you have a shitty battery or a shitty watch.
Quartz is closer to perfection than mechanicals, and atomic is closer to perfection than quartz. There's almost always something better, but if you're buying a watch for the aesthetic factor, then it doesn't really matter what you get.
What a great explanation! I loved the heart reference to the auto watches. I liked how you compared the two movements in a simple, understandable way. Cheers! 🍻
I have about 15 affordable watches. About 10 are quartz and 5 are automatic. None over $250. 4 of them are solar powered, one is radio controlled and 2 of them are high frequency quartz. I don’t do anything that requires the accuracy of the uhf watches but the smooth second hand is mesmerising. The automatics are flight style with the “B” style face so always a conversation starter. One thing you didn’t mention (or maybe I missed it) is the cost of servicing an automatic watch. My quartz watches will all outlive me but they will eventually die while a well serviced automatic can be handed down for generations.
That’s true, but it’s a bit like Triggers broom. Trigger has been rewarded by his local council for using the same broom for 20 year’s. This old broom has had 17 new heads and 14 new handles in its time. ( Only Fools and Horses )
I would like to get involved with my watch. I would like to have that personal interaction with it because it is appreciated: To check it against the atomic clock daily, to wind it if needs be, to set the time to the second (against the atomic clock) once in a while, to adjust the date for months without the 31st day. Or just by watching that minute hand ticking ever so smoothly at 28,800 vph makes you marvel at such great feat that it could be chronometer standard. And so you guessed right that I prefer the craftsmanship of a mechanical watch that had been so intricately designed to keep that beating heart on your wrist. To wear a Quartz and simply forget about it, is no thrill. It simply keeps the time accurately for years end without ever interacting with it. You are just DEAD to it: Just a “Grab & Go” watch is all it is. Yes it’s reliable alright, but none of the emotional attachment to it whatsoever. You know it will always tell you the right time every time. So what’s the point of having it on your wrist when your phone can do the same?
I bought my first quartz Seiko diver watch back in the 70s. That was when quartz was very well-regarded and cost more than the automatic equivalent. I thought quartz was the way of the future, but eventually, mechanical watches made a comeback.
It definitely was the way of the future. You may not see it, but almost all electronic devices have a quartz clock in them, especially phones and computers.
i prefer quartz over automatic for reasons you mentioned. also, get one with the most common movent, such aa miyota 2035, so that if it breaks, you can repllace the whole movement for cheap. automatics are good if one is into modding because of assortment of (seiko) parts out there that you can build your own watch
I like both types for different reasons. Quartz watches have the edge when it comes to precision, simpler maintenance, fewer moving parts, and overall convenience. I usually wear quartz when I’m working with my hands or doing something outdoorsy. Mechanical watches feel more like jewelry. They’re often finished to higher standards and made with better materials. That’s the kind of watch I’d wear to dinner. Plus, the idea that a mechanical watch can be repaired decades down the line is comforting, even though I realize no one actually cares - and honestly, I probably won’t either by then.
Sadly after getting into automatic and getting 3, sadly I am going to quartz since I am tired of the winding every few days, and became boring. I am looking at some citizen with radio control and solar, I do wish i find one with a light and hourly beep.
I like both for the reasons you said. especially the ECO series of Citizen. but you cant beat the craftmanship put into a great hand made Automatic. Great job describing the pros and cons of both.
Grand Seiko makes a high accuracy hand-made quartz movement with the same craftsmanship they put into their mechanicals. Servicable, while accurate to within 10 seconds a year, more EMF resistant and tougher than any mechanical, with hand-polishing that beats the polishing on a Rolex, it's truly the best of both worlds. Sure, it's pricey for a quartz, but still less than their mechanicals.
Automatic watches are overrated in my opinion no craft is small or useless or unnecessary but in my opinion, automatics are the weapon business of the world where if you want to keep on selling them you have to keep on paying your government to create more conflicts in home and anywhere possible so that those high prices are paid in an industrialized scenario it doesn't cost as much money and effort, etc but you have to overprice the guns and stuff because they are not a general product! similarly, automatic watches are unnecessary but a business of riches and they just can not let go of it if they do then they can't charge you with an absolute unjustifiable crazy price in the name of craftmanship which is like 10% truth 90% BS it's just a loop hole to keep on people believing that it's worth the reason to price it like that! just like currencies it's a piece of paper but every country is agreeing to accept that made up resource which is in reality of no value if you don't agree to it but we do and it's a resource we fight for to have more in value and quantity!
love your passion. i believe watches nowadays are more of a fashion statement or a status statement. i know tons of people in my circles who owns luxurious watches who knows nthg about them but wears them to show off.
Personally I wear an automatic watch simply because the one I own is more comfortable the my citizen chronograph as I’m not accidentally starting and stopping the chronograph. My Seiko 5 doesn’t have that problem for me. Still love my citizen and I still wear a quartz watch with my American Aviator watch(wear them both every so often) but I mostly wear my Seiko 5 or Heimdallr Seaghost
@asensibleyoungman2978 There's no logical way to explain why something is fun or not... it just is, or isn't, depending on the person. But I will argue that mechanicals give you something to focus on (OCD), "take care of," fiddle with, think about (there are gears in there!), etc., etc. Quartz is just like, 🤷 -- except for a few really cool ones (such as G-Shocks)
@@crybabychrononaut I can easily explain fun. I have fun swimming because I love the feeling of water splashing past me, I love to feel my body float and the sensation that feels like I'm flying. I have a mechanical watch but I wouldn't say it's fun. The only fiddling I do is having to re-set it every time I want to wear it and the novelty soon wears off. You say it has cogs inside? A quartz watch has a pulsating crystal inside. Maybe looking at the back of a watch at moving cogs excites you but I think it's pretty boring after the first few seconds. Mechanical watches are nice but I think quartz are superior. I'm more fascinated by the watch dials than the movements and mechanical watch dials are no more beautiful than quartz watch dials. .
This video has saved so much money and stress for me in the long run. I will be buying Eco drives and I love them. I would love to get a new Citizen automatic Tsuyosa in yellow and I am wondering about its longevity when compared to eco drives. May you be well.
Great video, although the romanticism of automatic watches is overrated. Many automatics are as mass produced (including Rolex) as quartz watches. Plus there are high end quartz watches that absolutely knock the socks off of Tissot and Hamilton automatics. Great video though! I own a Promaster aqualand as well
Justin C Hsu I agree with the quartz comment about being high end. There is really high end quartz Movement from Seiko and grand Seiko that would knock the socks off of nearly anything. And honestly, I’m considering the Spring Drive Grand Seiko in the future. And that pro master diver is amazing, I’m taking it to Hawaii in a month and I’m gonna be doing some free diving
@@allthingsrandom8137 you should do a video on memorable Citizen dive watches. I see so many videos on Seiko dive watches but none on Citizen. IMHO citizen dive watches are just as good if not better quality than Seiko dive watches. I honestly see Citizen as the revolutionaries that Seiko was when they came out with the quartz watches.
High end quartz is a contradiction in terms. A quartz watch is an electronic circuit with a battery and a quartz crystal - END OF!! Yeah, you can polish this turd however much you like, but it's still a turd.
I prefere quartz watches, I own seven of them😊. Two others that are Eco drive citizen and solar power Seiko dive watch. I own one fossil automatic, but it's annoying because it stops working after two days. Excellentbvideo😅
I love the engineering of manual watches. I tend to prefer them because I never have to worry about a battery. I have a Grand Seiko spring drive that is accurate to 2 minutes a year. It is the best automatic watch out there. However, I have a Bulova Lunar Pilot high frequency quartz that is accurate to 5 seconds per year. For 700 bucks, I have one of the most accurate watches ever made. And looks great, too!
It would be more accurate to say that you like the craftsmanship of CNC machines and robots, however many watchmakers they show on promotional materials, most of the work is done by automatons. That's not a bad thing, the quality is much better than before, but that romantic notion of a mechanical watch being a 'living' thing assembled by craftsmen is fiction. Pinocchio is not a real boy, sorry.
I have a lot of watches, quartz and automatic, but for everyday use I wear a Casio Duro/Marlin. It only loses or gains a couple seconds a month. Pretty impressive for accuracy.
This is the same car arguments Manual vs Automatic LOL. I personally think quartz watches are better overall but 70% of best looking watches are automatic. Best example is the Omega speedmaster vs the Bulova Lunar pilot after I got the Bulova I don't have the same itch to sell my kidney to buy a speedy and the quartz movement is pretty accurate and top notch.
I suppose the only thing that annoys me a bit is to discover that the Swiss quartz movement (Ronda 515) inside my new $300 quartz watch can be purchased for $18.00 .
Some people give a fuck about having a watch that tells the correct time everytime, and doesn't need servicing, lubing and fucking around with it to work. For decades!
If I ever going to be in a combat scenario, I have more confidence that a quartz watch won't die on me while getting banged around ruble, the woods and the vibrations and shocks of gunshots and hand-to-hand combat.
Cheap, accurate, thinner, lighter and some solar operated. Mechanical are beautiful but inefficient, but it's like comparing a Tesla to an Aston Martin.....and I know which one I would choose.
A lil late to the party though I rarely comment on YTube horological vids as most of these channels' OP's didn't even own a mechanical watch ten years ago, much less a luxury example, lol. Speaking as a collector of luxury pieces for 43+ years, along with having co-owning a luxury vintage/pre-owned store for 18+ years, the last 9+ as a Swiss Certified Master (CSOMH), I always find it amusing when most speak of quartz watches, of which they know almost as little as they do about mechanical pieces, though the one cliche that seems to have been stamped into every one of the sheeps' Is brains is, "quartz has no soul," 😂😂 The information that was posted on the white board my first day in my Master's class(yah, I'm a dinosaur🦖) stated how we as masters were to judge and assess a time piece. It stated simply... 1) Quality 2) Accuracy 3) Value If ya notice, not a single thing about quartz, mechanical or the engine that powers either!! Ironically, while the luxury quartz are equal to their mechanical brethren quality wise, most are superior to them in the accuracy and especially value departments. When I hear this ignorant uneducated "no soul" cliche out of an individual's mouth, while my demeanor with them will not change, my horological conversation with them will have ended with that statement as their ignorance tells me that they are not worth conversing with regarding horological subjects. I am very involved in myriad FB horological groups, including Timmy Mosso's, where I find it amazing the number of guys that actually own a substantial luxury collection, yet they are so horologically ignorant, lolz. It's great to see an accurate educated vid amongst the ocean of bullsh!t, lol Very Nicely Played My Friend👊 Continued Success🍻 RP
I own 4 watches, 2 are quarz, 2 are automatic. The most accurate is of course my citizen eco drive radio controlled watch with perpetual calender. Since 2016 I did not need to adjust anything, I also use this watch to measure the accuracy of my Longines and Mido.
I keep hearing about Citizen Eco-Drive. I tried looking for one that looks decent and is sized for normal humans and couldn't find one. Believe me, I've looked... Or maybe you're referring to their dive watches, which are probably ok, but dive watches aren't my style.
Watches are more jewelry today than anything else. If you just need to know what time it is you can get the time off the cellular phone. Which watch is better is a matter of personal taste. Why do you wear a watch? If it is to be cool or to show off than a cool looking watch is a lot better than a 20 dollar casio. A casio is pretty cheap and accurate. If you are a frugal person I guess the casio would be the best watch.
That's debatable, a well regulated automatic watch can rival many quartz movements. If accuracy is the main criteria then a radio controlled watch or Bluetooth paired watch is always going to be the best. I have a couple of Bluetooth phone paired watches, they automatically adjust themselves 4 times a day and are always accurate to the second. They're solar powered too and about as practical as they come. Perpetual calendar, LED light so can always see the time. Set once and let them get on with it. Cheap and virtually indestructible. An automatic watch is a completely different thing. Then there's Seikos Spring Drive, a mechanical watch, spring driven but regulated by a quartz oscillator. This is perhaps the most advanced mechanical watch movement and it equals the performance of quartz movements.
More accurate yes, better NO! You are comparing apples with oranges. I don't give a shit about ultra-accuracy, I don't fucking need it. What I do want is a great looking watch that feels great, is acceptably accurate and gives me satisfaction in wearing it. A mechanical watch is a little wonder of engineering, a quartz watch is just a little electronic circuit with a battery!! And don't get me started on 'smart' watches.
"More accurate yes, better NO!" A watch tells time. That's it's most basic function. By default, the more accurate one is better. In this case quartz. Quartz also give more 'satisfaction' as they don't need baby sitting in keeping them in time or keeping them wound. Quartz just works. Quartz watches are generally lighter in weight and thinner, so more comfortable. The only people who deny that are watch collectors who call themselves "horologists". People bring up battery changes like spending 10-15 minutes every few years is exhausting.
@@THunt-ss4hy You completely misunderstand people who like mechanical watches! I actually LIKE the fact that mechanicals are heavier, and I LIKE the daily hand winding and weekly synching the watch to the atomic clock. I really fu**ing LIKE doing these things!! For me all this is not a chore, it's a pleasure! For me, 5 seconds a day is all I NEED in terms of accuracy, I don't need 5 seconds a month because I synch my watch every week so it's always accurate!! You just don't get it, do you? Mechanical watches are for ENTHUSIASTS - if you are not one then stop lecturing me and crawl back into your electronic chip.
@@tancreddehauteville764 Look, you commented saying that quartz aren't 'better' than mechanical. I'm saying they are, by the basis that there isn't a single thing mechanicals are better at than quartz. It's simple fact. If you love mechanical watches, that's fine. But don't get overly defensive with the facts. I have mechanicals also, one that I've modded (bead blasted, domed sapphire, movement upgrade), but even with all that I still won't say that its better than my AWG-M100. The Casio is better in every (technical) way, it's just not a very flexible watch stylistically. However, at least we can both agree that smart watches are pretty lame.
Collecting mechanical watches is like collecting cassette tapes and vinyl records, while vinyl records actually have a legitimate excuse for sound quality. The Quartz Crisis during the late 70's to early 80's gutted the Swiss watch making industry and the only companies that survived rebranded themselves as luxury brands appealing to a small niche group of hobbyists. Ever since phones started telling time, watches have become relegated to functional piece of jewelry.
Only quartz for me! Preferably solar. No room at all for mechanicals. My "best" is a Casio Lineage. Always dead accurate. Day date with no fatutsing about for non-31 day months. And looks pretty spiffy too IMO. Regardless of how gorgeous some mechanicals are, and they ARE, I will not put up with the hassles that come with them.
Quartz is more accurate, durable, and affordable to build but they just dont have the soul an automatic has. Theyre just so pleasurable to watch them when they come to life.
I keep seeing mechanical fanboys saying 'mechanical watches have soul.' Maybe they do but that doesn't mean other watches don't. Personally I think there's something quite exotic and mysterious about a little unit inside my watch sending pulses to a quartz crystal causing it to vibrate and create accurate energy. Mechanical is steampunk whereas quartz is Star Trek.
Preferences, preferences, preferences..... Quarts are cheaper, keep better time, lighter etc. But mechanical can be kept for generations. Quarts has life time, regardless how good they are. Preferences....
Nope,so can a quartz,the Ronda 715li has a 10 year battery life,has 5 jewels,is made to be serviced AND is mass produced,meaning parts and spare movements are available. Long as you can source batteries or the equivalent it's good to go for centuries as well.
@@deanwaller8283How do you know a quartz can last centuries!?? There is no evidence yet for a quartz watch lasting centuries/generations, so you can't say that for a quartz movement.
to me what makes watches cool is the fact that I have on my wrist a tiny machine working constantly, some people say that it's like watches have a heart beating, like they were some kind of living being, still, my first watch is a Casio Marlin, a beast!
As long as you know that the wrist watches become a piece of jewelry for men when everyone has a cellphone that tells the more accurate times everyday, but people can lifted up their wrists anytime to checking the time at a glance with the watches, so if you don't feel bother or have more time everyday to correct your time piece, the classic mechanical watches is the perfect choice, otherwise, the quartz watches is the more worry free choice to make.
I saw the promotion video from Seiko GS Quartz, honestly I did not know how can it cost more than the other Quartz watches, the second needle was not aligned and didn't hit the marker, my $50 Casio Duro did a better QA job than GS Quartz. I can see the internal PCB of GS is gold plate printed, my Casio is copper printed, copper is the norm for electronics, it'll last as long as we replace the battery every 3-4 years, no battery leakage, no corrosion. I owned an Orient Racer Automatic, water got in, the service cost more than the watch, I gave it away, I owned another Tissot PR100 and I got robbed in Asia, ominous event always followed by expensive automatic watch, so no thanks. Quartz watch is cheap which translated to safety in public, easy to maintain, we can replace the whole Quartz movement for an easy DIY.
The whole automatic verse quartz debate is not really all that interesting because both serve different purposes and they both have pros and cons. Yes quartz is generally more accurate but with these cheaper movements, they might as well be disposable. Eco drive isn't also a perfect solution either, you should be changing the batteries every 5 yesrs even if they dont die because they can still leak after a certain amount of time and the battery acid could corrode the movement. When you service a quartz watch, specifically a cheaper quartz watch, generally they just replace the movement entirely. With an automatic caliber, as long as a watch servicer takes it apart periodically to clean it and applies new lubrication, the movement will keep running forever. In other words, quartz watches might be more accurate but there movements are harder to maintain over large periods of time while automatic watches require a bit of love but can last much longer. Obviously this is just a generalization, some higher-end quartz movements can last just as long as an automatic movement but they are extremely expensive to fix. Take for example the Rolex oyster quartz from the '70s-80s, those watches continue to run because a fair amount of the movement is actually mechanical (It has a balance spring with an escapement) but the electronic parts are very expensive because the watch is no longer made. Also, I don't understand why some people too lazy to wind their watches. I have a watch collection of about 10 different watches, most of them are on winders but for the ones that aren't, every morning I wake up and wind them. All you have to do is turn the crown clockwise 20 to 30 times and the watch will keep running. Just because it's automatic doesn't mean that you can't wind it from the crown. I find it's soothing to sit down and wind my movements every morning. I have a cheap Bulova quartz chronograph watch that my father gave me years ago and while the movements still works, the second hand is not aligned with the dial anymore and the bracelet fell apart because it required some screws to keep it attached to the case. It also eats through batteries with the last one only lasting 6 months. I can take it in and get movement replaced but it's not really worth it for a watch this cheap. Meanwhile, my grandfather left me a vacheron 222 from the '70s which still runs within -1 second a day.
Mechanical is always better in my opinion because if there are no batteries left then a quarts is completely useless. I like things that are timeless… haha
I think the assumption that there is no craftsmanship involved simply because the movement operates on a different principle is a really weird point of view, and of course not true. It's true for a lot of watches, but the same can be said about a lot of mechanical movements. There are plenty of cheap mechanical movements that are mass produced in a factory just like some quartz movements are. Grand Seiko is an excellent example quartz watches with immense craftsmanship. There are more examples of course. The only real argument that can be made is simply that you prefer x over y, which is fine. The rest are just fallacies that can be applied sometimes, but not always.
The Grand Seiko Dive watch is available in both an automatic and spring drive movement. Both movements are hand made in Japan by master watchmakers. The automatic movement ranks with some of the best swiss in-house movements. The spring drive is unique, but I think the automatic movement version is a better fit for the unique requirements of diving in remote areas.
i like both movements because of the quartz watch invention mechanical watches are being made better and more accurate than before which is really great good video
Every evening I need to charge my 3 phones, my tablet, my laptop, my headphones. Every couple of days I need to charge my work headphones, every week I need to charge my my work keyboard. I need to replace batteries in my 2 mice. May I have at least something that is not needed to be charged or battery replaced PLEASE!?
OF COURSE quartz is superior to automatic in almost every aspect from a purely practical standpoint. But humans are not purely practical. We are emotional. We will always cherish and crave beautiful, hand-crafted mechanical instruments.
If you just want an accurate watch that tells the time, buy a quartz. If you want a timepiece that was meticulously crafted and engineered, requires love, maintenance and care to keep reliable time, will last you a lifetime and strikes up conversation with anyone that knows anything about horology, then buy a mechanical watch.
Mechanical moments will probably stop being produced long before batteries and capacitors are, and in a Carrington event, I don't think people will be so concerned with timekeeping. For one, it's possible that older quartz watches, from the 70s or so, may survive such an event, but even if all you have are mechanical ones, how will you set them? You won't really have anything as a reference, so they'd really only be good to estimate how much time has passed.
@@Shock_Treatment I meant the type of battery you need for a certain watch. What is the correct time? Even atomic clocks need to be averaged, which takes 28 seconds. Then you have time dilation, depenting on your elevation, variations in the earth's orbit etc.
There's room for both. I'm old enough to remember the days before quartz and affordable mechanical watches were pretty terrible. Woefully slow or ridiculously fast and they spent too much time at the watchmaker being repaired...again! Quartz watches forced the makers of mechanical watches to up their game. It gave them a much needed kick up the arse. I think it's great that we have choice. I see my mechanical watch as a classic car that I take out every other Sunday, whereas my quartz watches can be anything from daily drivers to sexy sports cars. I don't see why there should be a quartz vs mechanical war within the hobby. Do you like pizza or do you like fish and chips? You like both? Well I have some good news for you.
l thought it was a strange discussion comparing mecanical and Quartz watches together, so l was goingto to participate, but after reading some of these comments, l realized that most of the people who commented, probably use their phone to keep track of time and l doubt they even have a Quartz watch. There is nothing wrong with owning a quart watches or just to use the phone to keep track of time, but for those of us who enjoyes mechanical watches and who appreciate the art and the rich and interesting history of watchmaking, we like our mechanical watche and we never have enough of them 😊
Citizen and Seiko these days are bridging that gap. Cool, well designed solar quartz watches, Only thing Auto watches have going is their attention to design... Citizen and Seiko are both getting better with design without the problems of stinky unreliable movements. Great exterior with Autos, terrible interiors.
I have two 10 year old chronographs watch’s same brand quartz work perfect automatic need service Valjoux 7750 cost over $500 dollars service watch cost $900 …
Ten years with a light-powered radio-sync Citizen and… it’s fine. Almost always within a second of the time on my phone. Hasn’t needed service. I’m not sure what could be fixed: maybe a broken capacitor? $400 list, paid $300.
If it has an analog (hands) display, there's still a gear train in there that can benefit from new oil via servicing. Also, the tiny electric stepper motors that move the hands can burn out.
I have loads of Quartz Watches ! I can't hear any of them ticking ! The most expensive is my Bulova Precisionist Divers Watch ! I never buy Mechanical Watches. Mecha Quartz is Fantastic if you want a Mechanical Looking Second Sweep !
I think that Swiss watches are nice because of the long heritage, craftsmanship, and design. And sadly due to their pricing (not all of them of course) many people wear them because they make a statement about their wealth and power, which is quite disgusting. Japanese endorsement of the quartz, the constant innovation and a lot of bold designing on their part, have made them a world favorite, for a good reason: highly functional pieces that are affordable. Purely in terms of function and overall cost, quartz is the way to go. But in the end, It's not really about finding the most bang for your buck then calling it the "best", but rather to each his own.
Best part is, the Japanese even made mechanicals so much more affordable. No, my Seiko Turtle doesn't have the finesse of my Omega GMT, but, the Omega cost me literally 15 times as much but isn't even twice the watch. I'll not part with either, though.
I don’t care if my watch is one or the other. My requirement is that my watch *must* have a sapphire crystal. I’m tired of scratched crystals. I love small (36mm) field watches. I have a Citizen Eco-Drive that is exactly that, which has day/date. Unfortunately, it has a mineral crystal. If that watch had a sapphire crystal, that would be the only watch I would wear.
I just want a watch that grabs and go, automatic - no it now sits inside my safebox, smart watch - no i dont want to charge it every few days. So my only option is quartz. Worry free. Grab and go, accurate time telling which is what all i need. I wear watches to tell time, not to impress others.
@@allthingsrandom8137 That's fine, but a watch isn't meant to do that anyway! What you want is a mini computer, which is what a lot of modern quartz watches are.
Automatic are for vintage sports car drivers who love excitement and quartzs are for regular family car drivers prefferably with some shitty battery inside the car.
Great video. I like mechanical watches too, but want to be an advocate for quartz in this comment: I actually was a collector and mechanical watch guy. However, it was so frustrating with the watches that randomly stopped and had to be set all the time. I also like to switch watches. I mean that was the reason I collected. Every time I switched I had to set date and time. I just got bored and sold my collection. This christmas I got Seiko Speedtimer solar and a G-shock. My interest in wearing watches came back and I enjoy very much the feeling of knowing that they tick all the time and I can just pick and wear the one I want in the mornings. I plan to buy a Grand Seiko quartz. They have better accuracy in one YEAR than mechanical watches have for one DAY. Quartz is cheaper and much more accurate. And for the no soul argument: my solar quartz live on the same energy source as my plants. All things with «soul» gets energy by the sun. That’s more soul-like and fascinating (to me) than a winded mainspring. We just need to change the way we think. Most people don’t understand how quartz and mechanical movements works anyway. Choose what function best for less money. Is the «stigma» on quartz based on snobbery as they are usually more expencive? I love mechanical movements, but quartz simply do a better job in a more simpe and cheaper way. And high end quartz like 9F is boarderline art.
There is a snobbery when it comes to quartz watches, I will admit that. I’ve been looking at the grand Seiko GMT quartz, and though the mechanics are extremely fine. But I know the quality behind it, so I’m probably going to get it anyway.
"All things with «soul» gets energy by the sun. That’s more soul-like and fascinating (to me) than a winded mainspring." You need to broaden your mind. Automatic watches are wound by our body movement. But, what powers our bodies? Food. What is the main source of energy for all food? That's right... The sun. So, if you think about it, the veggies or meat (still powered by veggies) we eat powers us, which powers an automatic watch. The ramen I'm having for lunch right now will be powering the automatic watch I'm wearing soon enough. LOL
I’m no snob regarding quartz watches. I just don’t like the jerky ticking of the seconds hand on quartz. Time is fluid and flowing. I do own a Bulova Precisionist quartz which has a smoother sweep than any mechanical I’m aware of. Too bad they haven’t used this movement in more stylish watches. My (2) favorite quartz watches are my Casio MRW200 H at $20 and my Citizen Promaster solar diver.
I'm 57, so my first 2 watches were mechanical because back in the 70s you wouldn't give a kid an expensive high-tech item such as a quartz watch. Yes, expensive, and high-tech. Roughly speaking, quartz was more expensive than mechanical, at least in the low-tier segment until Swatch came along. I bought my first quartz watch out of my own savings at age 15 and it was much better than my mechanical watch, even better than my dad's gold Omega. The ticking second hand was absolutely mesmerizing, it took real effort to stop looking at it and pay attention in school. Fast forward to today, I have 1 Smartwatch, 5 quartz and 12 mechanical watches (one hand wound). They are different watches. I appreciate the effort that goes into making an automatic watch and most of the designs are much more appealing. Yet, quartz is usually more accurate than even my COSC and METAS certified mechanicals. You can think of the difference between a painting and a photograph. Want accuracy? Go for a photograph or a quartz watch. Want art and a glimpse of the creator's soul? Go for a painting or a mechanical watch
I agree with what you say apart from the smartwatch. That's a wrist computer that just happens to have a clock on it.
Just took my 21yr old Citizen Eco drive out of storage, charged it on a super bright flood light, reset it by pulling the pin for 30 seconds and hey presto it works. Never had the capacitor changed either. This is what I love about Citizen and when I was watch shopping at the time I noticed most of the staff wearing Citizens so that told me how good they were
I feel like Citizen is the Lexus of watches, a premium brand with better reliability than literally any other manufacturer.
They barely sell anything other than citizen at most watch stores
@@profound369 I don't know where you are but In the UK they sell lots of other brands at most watch stores like Seiko, Tag Heur, Casio, Lorus, Swatch and usually a few others too.
Citizen is a reliable watches with reasonable prices.
casio 5600 turns off when knot moved. not even a smart one. very impressive. would like ceramics tho... but vGv i guess ^ ^
yes my cit diver is still running but not nearlie 5 months without light... borderline heavy towards my 1 seiko auto
titanium is nice n light in my junkers ^^
I’ve collected watches for years and own both mechanical and quartz.The problem with mechanical watches is the expense of servicing them. If like me you own a good number of these watches, the expense of service is just too much. My suggestion would be to own a few very nice mechanical watches and the rest of your collection be quartz. I’ve gotten the point now where I wear my quartz watches more often than the mechanical. Quartz timepieces keep much better time and are much more robust.
Just don't service them, it's a scam.
@Tom-x6q5c Maybe every 10 or 15 years or so. Unless you continuously stress them with golf- or tennis playing.
I owe over 40 mechanical watches, 8 or more quartz each type has a time and place to wear. Preference is mechanical.
@ I love all my mechanical watches and yes they’re much more interesting than most of my quartz watches but the cost of keeping all my mechanical pieces serviced is pretty steep. Hope you have a good holiday.
I love automatic watches. I love quartz watches. They are both fantastic and you should own both. Both are history on your wrist.
That’s perfectly worded
You might love a spring drive then
@@steve8510I do, but not the price.
@@steve8510 me too money comes in middle haha
I have a Casio Wave Ceptor that I like because it sets itself every day, so it's always right on time, and I don't have to manually set it ever, even for daylight savings time. I like automatic watches too for the look and seeing the gears at work, but when it comes to accurate timekeeping, the one true purpose of watches, quartz is the way to go.
I have a casio wave cepter as well.
Hard to fault it. I like the way the seconds hand is in sync. with my citizen radio controlled watches.
I can't discern any lag at all between them. It's quite enjoyable to watch!
Reminds me of the debate in photography between film vs digital. I personally really enjoy classic designs, but with modern functionality. Quartz watches and digital cameras with a retro style. A mechanical watch isnt going to tell the time better for me, in fact it's going to be much less accurate. A film camera is going to be incredibly limiting to me and my vision. As Pedro meyer said, many people today are looking towards the future in a rearview mirror.
Well said
Actually, as a citizen watch owner and small collection owner, mainly of citizen watches, I find it really annoying that the myth about the eco drive system not needing a new battery (capacitor) is being perpetuated by people like you.
Yes, it does!! It is a rechargable battery, but still a battery and subject to failure. However, these rechargable batteries last for at least 20 years as opposed to non rechargeable batteries. They also cost a lot more.
I have one of the first citizen skyhawk watches, which is now some 25 to 30 years old and I have only recently had a new capacitor fitted. Being radio controlled it is accurate to about 1sec. a day and water resistant to 200m without any tiresome screw down crown.
It has a multitude of other features
(complications) as well and cost me £350 all those years ago.
If you want to pay many thousands of pounds/dollars, what have you,
for a lesser useful watch then you've got too much money.
If you want a piece of jewelry then go out and buy yourself a few diamond encrusted bangles, rings and ear rings, ducky!
Yeah, I know what you're thinking.
I'm jealous and you're right, I am, but
I'd still put a citizen eco drive, radio controlled watch on my wrist.
Wear it and forget it, until you want to know the time or day or month or year.
I own mechanical, automatics, quartz, quartz solar. My go to is quartz solar. Sturdy and accurate.
What is the primary function of a wrist watch? To tell accurate time comfortably. Everything else is secondary and subjective.
Err no? Smartphone do a better job on that.. People wear watches just for accessories.. 💁♂️
@@polong99perhaps for your lifestyle, picture a factory worker that needs to know time but isn't allowed a phone on the factory floor for safety reasons. Or a individual participating in a mud run. Imagine a rifleman on patrol checking time for small unit coordination. These are just three of potentially endless examples where lifestyle requires accurate and durable time keeping where a phone isn't optional where a quartz watch is required.
Watch is faster
I wear a watvh as assessory with a function. Well made automatic gives me a smile when I look at them .
If i am not wearing automatic. I go for the casio F91. Looks retro and easier to wear than all Quatz wstches. Quartz are so bland for me.
@@25557813 dude the F91 is a quartz watch
I agree with everything said in the video. I've been slowly selling my moderately priced ($300 to $1200) automatic watches and now primarily wear a $45 quartz watch.
I sold most of my watches and mainly wear a 100 dollar all black G Shock 😏
As a watch collector the more watches you get the more you wish they were quartz because you can grab and go. That alone is huge for me and I mostly wear quartz now and I great mechanical watches from Rolex, Tudor, Sinn, Seiko, etc etc. If it’s a special occasion I’ll pull out, wind, set my auto but when I’m off to work in a hurry I grab quartz. I wish all watches had a quartz option! If they did I would own very few mechanical watches. Also watch check: as I type this I’m wearing my brand new quartz Wolbrook skindiver chrono with the brown dial! It’s a beautiful watch.
Quartz keeps time better. Seems pretty simple
There you go, being logical.
Tougher, too, and usually cost far less. And can usually be found with more functions.
Yes.No needs for 16 minutes
I'd argue the differences in timekeeping ability are almost irrelevant in a time where everyone has a smartphone that's linked to an atomic clock. Adjust your crappy Vostok/Seiko/China watch once a week, and they are more than precise enough for all intents and purposes.
@@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097 Seems to me your argument is self defeating, acknowledging that the only time pieces of relevance are those that are run by the atomic clock? Wearing a light powered, radio regulated quartz, with perpetual calender means never having to reset or service your watch and never having to pull your phone out and turn it on, just to check the time.
Mechanical watches have soul,they are pieces of art.
So do quartz watches. They're more exotic. Cogs and oil are a bit steampunk whereas pulsating quartz is Star Trek.
Just like a Steam powered car with a Coal Bunker in the Trunk !
Just picked up the Quarts Tissot PRX. The Automatic version with the waffle dial just doesn’t do it for me because the movement and dial I feel is not worth the extra 300 bucks. Great video. ❤
Thanks!
50 dollars quartz that tells time more accurately than a 200 dollars automatic. It's a no brainer. If you need to change battery less than a year that means you have a shitty battery or a shitty watch.
Why did you stop at the 200 value for the mechanical? You can add as many zeros as you want and the cheap quartz will probably beat it in accuracy.
I love my automatic watch i don't care if there is anything better than my watch. Nothing is perfect we should be thankful for everything we have.
This was in jest. Clearly I prefer automatics and people can buy whatever makes them happy
Quartz is closer to perfection than mechanicals, and atomic is closer to perfection than quartz. There's almost always something better, but if you're buying a watch for the aesthetic factor, then it doesn't really matter what you get.
What a great explanation! I loved the heart reference to the auto watches. I liked how you compared the two movements in a simple, understandable way. Cheers! 🍻
I have about 15 affordable watches. About 10 are quartz and 5 are automatic. None over $250. 4 of them are solar powered, one is radio controlled and 2 of them are high frequency quartz. I don’t do anything that requires the accuracy of the uhf watches but the smooth second hand is mesmerising. The automatics are flight style with the “B” style face so always a conversation starter. One thing you didn’t mention (or maybe I missed it) is the cost of servicing an automatic watch. My quartz watches will all outlive me but they will eventually die while a well serviced automatic can be handed down for generations.
That’s true, but it’s a bit like Triggers broom. Trigger has been rewarded by his local council for using the same broom for 20 year’s. This old broom has had 17 new heads and 14 new handles in its time. ( Only Fools and Horses )
Quartz Crisis happened for a reason!
I wear a watch to keep accurate time. Wear a $40.00 Timex. I'm happy.
fern Haloo completely understandable!
fern Haloo and to add, at least you wear a watch, so many don’t
Fine for you. Some of us are enthusiasts.
You can get a Chinese quartz for $10.
@@tancreddehauteville764 Enthusiasts can also prefer quartz. If you disagree then you're not actually an enthusiast but an elitist.
Rather than saying “ Automatic Watches “ you really should be saying “ Mechanical Watches “ not all mechanical watches are automatic… great video !!
I would go for Mechaquartz or EcoDrive!
You can put a Citizen Chronomaster on your wrist and after setting it never have to touch it again before you die, perpetual calendar included
What a depressing thought.
@@varanid9 The dying part is never good... but virtually guaranteed
I would like to get involved with my watch. I would like to have that personal interaction with it because it is appreciated: To check it against the atomic clock daily, to wind it if needs be, to set the time to the second (against the atomic clock) once in a while, to adjust the date for months without the 31st day. Or just by watching that minute hand ticking ever so smoothly at 28,800 vph makes you marvel at such great feat that it could be chronometer standard.
And so you guessed right that I prefer the craftsmanship of a mechanical watch that had been so intricately designed to keep that beating heart on your wrist.
To wear a Quartz and simply forget about it, is no thrill. It simply keeps the time accurately for years end without ever interacting with it. You are just DEAD to it: Just a “Grab & Go” watch is all it is. Yes it’s reliable alright, but none of the emotional attachment to it whatsoever. You know it will always tell you the right time every time. So what’s the point of having it on your wrist when your phone can do the same?
I bought my first quartz Seiko diver watch back in the 70s. That was when quartz was very well-regarded and cost more than the automatic equivalent. I thought quartz was the way of the future, but eventually, mechanical watches made a comeback.
It definitely was the way of the future. You may not see it, but almost all electronic devices have a quartz clock in them, especially phones and computers.
Quartz watches still are well regarded.
i prefer quartz over automatic for reasons you mentioned. also, get one with the most common movent, such aa miyota 2035, so that if it breaks, you can repllace the whole movement for cheap.
automatics are good if one is into modding because of assortment of (seiko) parts out there that you can build your own watch
I like both types for different reasons. Quartz watches have the edge when it comes to precision, simpler maintenance, fewer moving parts, and overall convenience. I usually wear quartz when I’m working with my hands or doing something outdoorsy. Mechanical watches feel more like jewelry. They’re often finished to higher standards and made with better materials. That’s the kind of watch I’d wear to dinner. Plus, the idea that a mechanical watch can be repaired decades down the line is comforting, even though I realize no one actually cares - and honestly, I probably won’t either by then.
Sadly after getting into automatic and getting 3, sadly I am going to quartz since I am tired of the winding every few days, and became boring. I am looking at some citizen with radio control and solar, I do wish i find one with a light and hourly beep.
There's nothing sad about that. Quartz watches are beautiful.
Did you ever forgive your wife for throwing your prized automatic watch at the garage wall? 😂
Wow! That's a really mean wife. Better prepare to lose your house too in the future.
I like both for the reasons you said. especially the ECO series of Citizen. but you cant beat the craftmanship put into a great hand made Automatic. Great job describing the pros and cons of both.
Anytime!
Grand Seiko makes a high accuracy hand-made quartz movement with the same craftsmanship they put into their mechanicals. Servicable, while accurate to within 10 seconds a year, more EMF resistant and tougher than any mechanical, with hand-polishing that beats the polishing on a Rolex, it's truly the best of both worlds. Sure, it's pricey for a quartz, but still less than their mechanicals.
Automatic watches are overrated in my opinion no craft is small or useless or unnecessary but in my opinion, automatics are the weapon business of the world where if you want to keep on selling them you have to keep on paying your government to create more conflicts in home and anywhere possible so that those high prices are paid in an industrialized scenario it doesn't cost as much money and effort, etc but you have to overprice the guns and stuff because they are not a general product! similarly, automatic watches are unnecessary but a business of riches and they just can not let go of it if they do then they can't charge you with an absolute unjustifiable crazy price in the name of craftmanship which is like 10% truth 90% BS it's just a loop hole to keep on people believing that it's worth the reason to price it like that! just like currencies it's a piece of paper but every country is agreeing to accept that made up resource which is in reality of no value if you don't agree to it but we do and it's a resource we fight for to have more in value and quantity!
love your passion. i believe watches nowadays are more of a fashion statement or a status statement. i know tons of people in my circles who owns luxurious watches who knows nthg about them but wears them to show off.
It's always been the case. Do you think Victorian chimney sweeps and peg sellers wore Vacheron Constantin and Patek Philippe watches?
Personally I wear an automatic watch simply because the one I own is more comfortable the my citizen chronograph as I’m not accidentally starting and stopping the chronograph. My Seiko 5 doesn’t have that problem for me. Still love my citizen and I still wear a quartz watch with my American Aviator watch(wear them both every so often) but I mostly wear my Seiko 5 or Heimdallr Seaghost
The same reason why LED lights are better than incandescent bulbs
Mechanicals are 1000 times more fun.
agreed
In what way? What fun do you derive from them that you don't with a quartz watch?
@asensibleyoungman2978 There's no logical way to explain why something is fun or not... it just is, or isn't, depending on the person. But I will argue that mechanicals give you something to focus on (OCD), "take care of," fiddle with, think about (there are gears in there!), etc., etc. Quartz is just like, 🤷 -- except for a few really cool ones (such as G-Shocks)
@@crybabychrononaut I can easily explain fun. I have fun swimming because I love the feeling of water splashing past me, I love to feel my body float and the sensation that feels like I'm flying. I have a mechanical watch but I wouldn't say it's fun. The only fiddling I do is having to re-set it every time I want to wear it and the novelty soon wears off. You say it has cogs inside? A quartz watch has a pulsating crystal inside. Maybe looking at the back of a watch at moving cogs excites you but I think it's pretty boring after the first few seconds. Mechanical watches are nice but I think quartz are superior. I'm more fascinated by the watch dials than the movements and mechanical watch dials are no more beautiful than quartz watch dials. .
This video has saved so much money and stress for me in the long run. I will be buying Eco drives and I love them. I would love to get a new Citizen automatic Tsuyosa in yellow and I am wondering about its longevity when compared to eco drives. May you be well.
Great video, although the romanticism of automatic watches is overrated. Many automatics are as mass produced (including Rolex) as quartz watches. Plus there are high end quartz watches that absolutely knock the socks off of Tissot and Hamilton automatics. Great video though! I own a Promaster aqualand as well
Justin C Hsu I agree with the quartz comment about being high end. There is really high end quartz Movement from Seiko and grand Seiko that would knock the socks off of nearly anything. And honestly, I’m considering the Spring Drive Grand Seiko in the future.
And that pro master diver is amazing, I’m taking it to Hawaii in a month and I’m gonna be doing some free diving
@@allthingsrandom8137 you should do a video on memorable Citizen dive watches. I see so many videos on Seiko dive watches but none on Citizen. IMHO citizen dive watches are just as good if not better quality than Seiko dive watches. I honestly see Citizen as the revolutionaries that Seiko was when they came out with the quartz watches.
Justin C Hsu good idea!
High end quartz is a contradiction in terms. A quartz watch is an electronic circuit with a battery and a quartz crystal - END OF!! Yeah, you can polish this turd however much you like, but it's still a turd.
@@tancreddehauteville764 Mechanical watches are heavy and needy. Quartz 4 lyfe!!
I prefere quartz watches, I own seven of them😊. Two others that are Eco drive citizen and solar power Seiko dive watch. I own one fossil automatic, but it's annoying because it stops working after two days. Excellentbvideo😅
Eco drive are great watches
eco drive > everything else
I love the engineering of manual watches. I tend to prefer them because I never have to worry about a battery. I have a Grand Seiko spring drive that is accurate to 2 minutes a year. It is the best automatic watch out there. However, I have a Bulova Lunar Pilot high frequency quartz that is accurate to 5 seconds per year. For 700 bucks, I have one of the most accurate watches ever made. And looks great, too!
Yet you have to worry about servicing them, having to re-set them and getting the repaired when they stop working.
It would be more accurate to say that you like the craftsmanship of CNC machines and robots, however many watchmakers they show on promotional materials, most of the work is done by automatons. That's not a bad thing, the quality is much better than before, but that romantic notion of a mechanical watch being a 'living' thing assembled by craftsmen is fiction. Pinocchio is not a real boy, sorry.
Understandable
I have a lot of watches, quartz and automatic, but for everyday use I wear a Casio Duro/Marlin. It only loses or gains a couple seconds a month. Pretty impressive for accuracy.
This is the same car arguments Manual vs Automatic LOL. I personally think quartz watches are better overall but 70% of best looking watches are automatic. Best example is the Omega speedmaster vs the Bulova Lunar pilot after I got the Bulova I don't have the same itch to sell my kidney to buy a speedy and the quartz movement is pretty accurate and top notch.
Love my 43.5 Lunar Pilot!
I suppose the only thing that annoys me a bit is to discover that the Swiss quartz movement (Ronda 515) inside my new $300 quartz watch can be purchased for $18.00 .
Just got my Casio GWM-5610 and I'm confident in asking watch snobs are you sure your Swiss watch has the exact correct time to the second 😅
Who fucking needs correct time to the second? It's like driving a Ferrari on roads with 55mph limits.
Some people give a fuck about having a watch that tells the correct time everytime, and doesn't need servicing, lubing and fucking around with it to work. For decades!
5:04 a smooth running chronograph seconds hand is common on many quartz watches. Not a big deal.
If I ever going to be in a combat scenario, I have more confidence that a quartz watch won't die on me while getting banged around ruble, the woods and the vibrations and shocks of gunshots and hand-to-hand combat.
That's incorrect. You can put as much confidence in a mechanical watch, they're not as fragile as you think
Cheap, accurate, thinner, lighter and some solar operated. Mechanical are beautiful but inefficient, but it's like comparing a Tesla to an Aston Martin.....and I know which one I would choose.
A lil late to the party though I rarely comment on YTube horological vids as most of these channels' OP's didn't even own a mechanical watch ten years ago, much less a luxury example, lol. Speaking as a collector of luxury pieces for 43+ years, along with having co-owning a luxury vintage/pre-owned store for 18+ years, the last 9+ as a Swiss Certified Master (CSOMH), I always find it amusing when most speak of quartz watches, of which they know almost as little as they do about mechanical pieces, though the one cliche that seems to have been stamped into every one of the sheeps' Is brains is, "quartz has no soul," 😂😂
The information that was posted on the white board my first day in my Master's class(yah, I'm a dinosaur🦖) stated how we as masters were to judge and assess a time piece. It stated simply...
1) Quality
2) Accuracy
3) Value
If ya notice, not a single thing about quartz, mechanical or the engine that powers either!!
Ironically, while the luxury quartz are equal to their mechanical brethren quality wise, most are superior to them in the accuracy and especially value departments.
When I hear this ignorant uneducated "no soul" cliche out of an individual's mouth, while my demeanor with them will not change, my horological conversation with them will have ended with that statement as their ignorance tells me that they are not worth conversing with regarding horological subjects.
I am very involved in myriad FB horological groups, including Timmy Mosso's, where I find it amazing the number of guys that actually own a substantial luxury collection, yet they are so horologically ignorant, lolz.
It's great to see an accurate educated vid amongst the ocean of bullsh!t, lol
Very Nicely Played My Friend👊
Continued Success🍻
RP
I own 4 watches, 2 are quarz, 2 are automatic. The most accurate is of course my citizen eco drive radio controlled watch with perpetual calender. Since 2016 I did not need to adjust anything, I also use this watch to measure the accuracy of my Longines and Mido.
Especially when you consider the Citizen “Eco-Drive.
Agreed
I keep hearing about Citizen Eco-Drive. I tried looking for one that looks decent and is sized for normal humans and couldn't find one. Believe me, I've looked... Or maybe you're referring to their dive watches, which are probably ok, but dive watches aren't my style.
Watches are more jewelry today than anything else. If you just need to know what time it is you can get the time off the cellular phone. Which watch is better is a matter of personal taste. Why do you wear a watch? If it is to be cool or to show off than a cool looking watch is a lot better than a 20 dollar casio. A casio is pretty cheap and accurate. If you are a frugal person I guess the casio would be the best watch.
A 500$ Casio looks better than your "cool watch" and shows more accurate time than your phone, believe it or not.
That's debatable, a well regulated automatic watch can rival many quartz movements. If accuracy is the main criteria then a radio controlled watch or Bluetooth paired watch is always going to be the best. I have a couple of Bluetooth phone paired watches, they automatically adjust themselves 4 times a day and are always accurate to the second. They're solar powered too and about as practical as they come. Perpetual calendar, LED light so can always see the time. Set once and let them get on with it. Cheap and virtually indestructible. An automatic watch is a completely different thing. Then there's Seikos Spring Drive, a mechanical watch, spring driven but regulated by a quartz oscillator. This is perhaps the most advanced mechanical watch movement and it equals the performance of quartz movements.
Let's say it as it is...if quartz had been invented first?
Mechanical watches would never have been invented
Lets not forget about Seikos Kinetic quartz watch. It was Seikos 1st iteration of a mechanical quartz hybrid.
More accurate yes, better NO! You are comparing apples with oranges. I don't give a shit about ultra-accuracy, I don't fucking need it. What I do want is a great looking watch that feels great, is acceptably accurate and gives me satisfaction in wearing it. A mechanical watch is a little wonder of engineering, a quartz watch is just a little electronic circuit with a battery!! And don't get me started on 'smart' watches.
"More accurate yes, better NO!" A watch tells time. That's it's most basic function. By default, the more accurate one is better. In this case quartz. Quartz also give more 'satisfaction' as they don't need baby sitting in keeping them in time or keeping them wound. Quartz just works. Quartz watches are generally lighter in weight and thinner, so more comfortable. The only people who deny that are watch collectors who call themselves "horologists". People bring up battery changes like spending 10-15 minutes every few years is exhausting.
@@THunt-ss4hy You completely misunderstand people who like mechanical watches! I actually LIKE the fact that mechanicals are heavier, and I LIKE the daily hand winding and weekly synching the watch to the atomic clock. I really fu**ing LIKE doing these things!! For me all this is not a chore, it's a pleasure! For me, 5 seconds a day is all I NEED in terms of accuracy, I don't need 5 seconds a month because I synch my watch every week so it's always accurate!! You just don't get it, do you? Mechanical watches are for ENTHUSIASTS - if you are not one then stop lecturing me and crawl back into your electronic chip.
@@tancreddehauteville764 Look, you commented saying that quartz aren't 'better' than mechanical. I'm saying they are, by the basis that there isn't a single thing mechanicals are better at than quartz. It's simple fact. If you love mechanical watches, that's fine. But don't get overly defensive with the facts. I have mechanicals also, one that I've modded (bead blasted, domed sapphire, movement upgrade), but even with all that I still won't say that its better than my AWG-M100. The Casio is better in every (technical) way, it's just not a very flexible watch stylistically. However, at least we can both agree that smart watches are pretty lame.
accurate is purpose of time
Collecting mechanical watches is like collecting cassette tapes and vinyl records, while vinyl records actually have a legitimate excuse for sound quality. The Quartz Crisis during the late 70's to early 80's gutted the Swiss watch making industry and the only companies that survived rebranded themselves as luxury brands appealing to a small niche group of hobbyists. Ever since phones started telling time, watches have become relegated to functional piece of jewelry.
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Only quartz for me! Preferably solar. No room at all for mechanicals. My "best" is a Casio Lineage. Always dead accurate. Day date with no fatutsing about for non-31 day months. And looks pretty spiffy too IMO. Regardless of how gorgeous some mechanicals are, and they ARE, I will not put up with the hassles that come with them.
Quartz is more accurate, durable, and affordable to build but they just dont have the soul an automatic has. Theyre just so pleasurable to watch them when they come to life.
my everyday watch is a G-SHOCK ggb100 Mudmaster , when I dress up is the tissot Swiss Automatic T-Classic Powermatic 80
Two great choices.
I keep seeing mechanical fanboys saying 'mechanical watches have soul.' Maybe they do but that doesn't mean other watches don't. Personally I think there's something quite exotic and mysterious about a little unit inside my watch sending pulses to a quartz crystal causing it to vibrate and create accurate energy. Mechanical is steampunk whereas quartz is Star Trek.
Preferences, preferences, preferences..... Quarts are cheaper, keep better time, lighter etc. But mechanical can be kept for generations. Quarts has life time, regardless how good they are. Preferences....
Nope,so can a quartz,the Ronda 715li has a 10 year battery life,has 5 jewels,is made to be serviced AND is mass produced,meaning parts and spare movements are available.
Long as you can source batteries or the equivalent it's good to go for centuries as well.
@@deanwaller8283How do you know a quartz can last centuries!?? There is no evidence yet for a quartz watch lasting centuries/generations, so you can't say that for a quartz movement.
to me what makes watches cool is the fact that I have on my wrist a tiny machine working constantly, some people say that it's like watches have a heart beating, like they were some kind of living being, still, my first watch is a Casio Marlin, a beast!
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I love that pagani design and it’s affordable, way cheaper then a automatic
And has great materials
As long as you know that the wrist watches become a piece of jewelry for men when everyone has a cellphone that tells the more accurate times everyday, but people can lifted up their wrists anytime to checking the time at a glance with the watches, so if you don't feel bother or have more time everyday to correct your time piece, the classic mechanical watches is the perfect choice, otherwise, the quartz watches is the more worry free choice to make.
I saw the promotion video from Seiko GS Quartz, honestly I did not know how can it cost more than the other Quartz watches, the second needle was not aligned and didn't hit the marker, my $50 Casio Duro did a better QA job than GS Quartz. I can see the internal PCB of GS is gold plate printed, my Casio is copper printed, copper is the norm for electronics, it'll last as long as we replace the battery every 3-4 years, no battery leakage, no corrosion. I owned an Orient Racer Automatic, water got in, the service cost more than the watch, I gave it away, I owned another Tissot PR100 and I got robbed in Asia, ominous event always followed by expensive automatic watch, so no thanks. Quartz watch is cheap which translated to safety in public, easy to maintain, we can replace the whole Quartz movement for an easy DIY.
If you don't know why a GS costs more then its wasted on you anyway.
Which holds better resale value
Quartz watches are worthless. You can't pawn or hock them. But even cheap automatics hold their value with age.
My Heuer watch which is quartz from 1984 people want on eBay etc and sells at a good price of course not as much as an good automatic
@@reynaldoflores4522 'Quartz watches are worthless.' Are you sure about that?
@asensibleyoungman2978 That's what the pawnshop man told me when I tried to hock a Seiko Kinetic watch.
The whole automatic verse quartz debate is not really all that interesting because both serve different purposes and they both have pros and cons. Yes quartz is generally more accurate but with these cheaper movements, they might as well be disposable. Eco drive isn't also a perfect solution either, you should be changing the batteries every 5 yesrs even if they dont die because they can still leak after a certain amount of time and the battery acid could corrode the movement. When you service a quartz watch, specifically a cheaper quartz watch, generally they just replace the movement entirely. With an automatic caliber, as long as a watch servicer takes it apart periodically to clean it and applies new lubrication, the movement will keep running forever. In other words, quartz watches might be more accurate but there movements are harder to maintain over large periods of time while automatic watches require a bit of love but can last much longer. Obviously this is just a generalization, some higher-end quartz movements can last just as long as an automatic movement but they are extremely expensive to fix. Take for example the Rolex oyster quartz from the '70s-80s, those watches continue to run because a fair amount of the movement is actually mechanical (It has a balance spring with an escapement) but the electronic parts are very expensive because the watch is no longer made.
Also, I don't understand why some people too lazy to wind their watches. I have a watch collection of about 10 different watches, most of them are on winders but for the ones that aren't, every morning I wake up and wind them. All you have to do is turn the crown clockwise 20 to 30 times and the watch will keep running. Just because it's automatic doesn't mean that you can't wind it from the crown. I find it's soothing to sit down and wind my movements every morning.
I have a cheap Bulova quartz chronograph watch that my father gave me years ago and while the movements still works, the second hand is not aligned with the dial anymore and the bracelet fell apart because it required some screws to keep it attached to the case. It also eats through batteries with the last one only lasting 6 months. I can take it in and get movement replaced but it's not really worth it for a watch this cheap. Meanwhile, my grandfather left me a vacheron 222 from the '70s which still runs within -1 second a day.
Mechanical is always better in my opinion because if there are no batteries left then a quarts is completely useless. I like things that are timeless… haha
Quartz is King! ( In my humble opion). Good video
I think the assumption that there is no craftsmanship involved simply because the movement operates on a different principle is a really weird point of view, and of course not true. It's true for a lot of watches, but the same can be said about a lot of mechanical movements. There are plenty of cheap mechanical movements that are mass produced in a factory just like some quartz movements are. Grand Seiko is an excellent example quartz watches with immense craftsmanship. There are more examples of course.
The only real argument that can be made is simply that you prefer x over y, which is fine. The rest are just fallacies that can be applied sometimes, but not always.
The Grand Seiko Dive watch is available in both an automatic and spring drive movement. Both movements are hand made in Japan by master watchmakers. The automatic movement ranks with some of the best swiss in-house movements. The spring drive is unique, but I think the automatic movement version is a better fit for the unique requirements of diving in remote areas.
i like both movements because of the quartz watch invention mechanical watches are being made better and more accurate than before which is really great good video
Thanks!
Every evening I need to charge my 3 phones, my tablet, my laptop, my headphones. Every couple of days I need to charge my work headphones, every week I need to charge my my work keyboard. I need to replace batteries in my 2 mice.
May I have at least something that is not needed to be charged or battery replaced PLEASE!?
If you have large colection of Qautz watches it gets expensive replacing batteries I just spent $400.00 replacing batteries on 35 watches.
OF COURSE quartz is superior to automatic in almost every aspect from a purely practical standpoint.
But humans are not purely practical. We are emotional. We will always cherish and crave beautiful, hand-crafted mechanical instruments.
If you just want an accurate watch that tells the time, buy a quartz. If you want a timepiece that was meticulously crafted and engineered, requires love, maintenance and care to keep reliable time, will last you a lifetime and strikes up conversation with anyone that knows anything about horology, then buy a mechanical watch.
Quartz watches is most better than automatic watches no more shake at all anytime u just keep it is work it👌
When the batteries/capacitators are not produced any longer, or after a Carrington event, any mechanical watch will be better.
Mechanical moments will probably stop being produced long before batteries and capacitors are, and in a Carrington event, I don't think people will be so concerned with timekeeping. For one, it's possible that older quartz watches, from the 70s or so, may survive such an event, but even if all you have are mechanical ones, how will you set them? You won't really have anything as a reference, so they'd really only be good to estimate how much time has passed.
@@Shock_Treatment I meant the type of battery you need for a certain watch.
What is the correct time? Even atomic clocks need to be averaged, which takes 28 seconds. Then you have time dilation, depenting on your elevation, variations in the earth's orbit etc.
There's room for both. I'm old enough to remember the days before quartz and affordable mechanical watches were pretty terrible. Woefully slow or ridiculously fast and they spent too much time at the watchmaker being repaired...again! Quartz watches forced the makers of mechanical watches to up their game. It gave them a much needed kick up the arse. I think it's great that we have choice. I see my mechanical watch as a classic car that I take out every other Sunday, whereas my quartz watches can be anything from daily drivers to sexy sports cars. I don't see why there should be a quartz vs mechanical war within the hobby. Do you like pizza or do you like fish and chips? You like both? Well I have some good news for you.
l thought it was a strange discussion comparing mecanical and Quartz watches together, so l was goingto to participate, but after reading some of these comments, l realized that most of the people who commented, probably use their phone to keep track of time and l doubt they even have a Quartz watch.
There is nothing wrong with owning a quart watches or just to use the phone to keep track of time, but for those of us who enjoyes mechanical watches and who appreciate the art and the rich and interesting history of watchmaking, we like our mechanical watche and we never have enough of them 😊
Thanks a lot for the video)
Automatic has class
no maintenance other than a battery change, reliable and of course much cheaper. Everything the mechanical watch snobs hate.
Citizen and Seiko these days are bridging that gap. Cool, well designed solar quartz watches, Only thing Auto watches have going is their attention to design... Citizen and Seiko are both getting better with design without the problems of stinky unreliable movements. Great exterior with Autos, terrible interiors.
Good points!
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It’s not just my wife now who’s correcting me! LOL
I have two 10 year old chronographs watch’s same brand quartz work perfect automatic need service Valjoux 7750 cost over $500 dollars service watch cost $900 …
Bauhaus with a quartz movement
Ten years with a light-powered radio-sync Citizen and… it’s fine. Almost always within a second of the time on my phone. Hasn’t needed service. I’m not sure what could be fixed: maybe a broken capacitor? $400 list, paid $300.
If it has an analog (hands) display, there's still a gear train in there that can benefit from new oil via servicing. Also, the tiny electric stepper motors that move the hands can burn out.
I have loads of Quartz Watches ! I can't hear any of them ticking ! The most expensive is my Bulova Precisionist Divers Watch ! I never buy Mechanical Watches. Mecha Quartz is Fantastic if you want a Mechanical Looking Second Sweep !
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I think that Swiss watches are nice because of the long heritage, craftsmanship, and design.
And sadly due to their pricing (not all of them of course) many people wear them because they make a statement about their wealth and power, which is quite disgusting.
Japanese endorsement of the quartz, the constant innovation and a lot of bold designing on their part, have made them a world favorite, for a good reason: highly functional pieces that are affordable.
Purely in terms of function and overall cost, quartz is the way to go.
But in the end, It's not really about finding the most bang for your buck then calling it the "best", but rather to each his own.
Great points
Best part is, the Japanese even made mechanicals so much more affordable. No, my Seiko Turtle doesn't have the finesse of my Omega GMT, but, the Omega cost me literally 15 times as much but isn't even twice the watch. I'll not part with either, though.
I don’t care if my watch is one or the other. My requirement is that my watch *must* have a sapphire crystal. I’m tired of scratched crystals. I love small (36mm) field watches. I have a Citizen Eco-Drive that is exactly that, which has day/date. Unfortunately, it has a mineral crystal. If that watch had a sapphire crystal, that would be the only watch I would wear.
I just want a watch that grabs and go, automatic - no it now sits inside my safebox, smart watch - no i dont want to charge it every few days. So my only option is quartz. Worry free. Grab and go, accurate time telling which is what all i need. I wear watches to tell time, not to impress others.
Quartz made automatics obsolete.
Thus… the quartz crisis..
Sounds like you need to learn how NOT to drop your watches onto concrete to me…
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Want an accurate time piece? Get a cellphone.
Want to make an impression, get at least a Rolex automatic watch
I don't like quartz watches they are boring, I've been always into automatic watches no matter what!
I’m right there with you, but an automatic watch doesn’t offer me a depth reading!
they boring because they for adults like me
They are indeed boring! I get much more pleasure and satisfaction from an automatic or hand winding watch.
@@allthingsrandom8137 That's fine, but a watch isn't meant to do that anyway! What you want is a mini computer, which is what a lot of modern quartz watches are.
that parnis looks killer!
Automatic are for vintage sports car drivers who love excitement and quartzs are for regular family car drivers prefferably with some shitty battery inside the car.
Haha 😁
Actually, I drive a fast classic car. I’ve got enough to worry about with that thing. I wear a solar quartz!
Quartz - better accuracy, less to none maintainece, better shock resistance, that's plenty of plusses in my case.
Great video. I like mechanical watches too, but want to be an advocate for quartz in this comment:
I actually was a collector and mechanical watch guy. However, it was so frustrating with the watches that randomly stopped and had to be set all the time. I also like to switch watches. I mean that was the reason I collected. Every time I switched I had to set date and time. I just got bored and sold my collection. This christmas I got Seiko Speedtimer solar and a G-shock. My interest in wearing watches came back and I enjoy very much the feeling of knowing that they tick all the time and I can just pick and wear the one I want in the mornings. I plan to buy a Grand Seiko quartz. They have better accuracy in one YEAR than mechanical watches have for one DAY. Quartz is cheaper and much more accurate. And for the no soul argument: my solar quartz live on the same energy source as my plants. All things with «soul» gets energy by the sun. That’s more soul-like and fascinating (to me) than a winded mainspring. We just need to change the way we think. Most people don’t understand how quartz and mechanical movements works anyway. Choose what function best for less money.
Is the «stigma» on quartz based on snobbery as they are usually more expencive? I love mechanical movements, but quartz simply do a better job in a more simpe and cheaper way. And high end quartz like 9F is boarderline art.
There is a snobbery when it comes to quartz watches, I will admit that. I’ve been looking at the grand Seiko GMT quartz, and though the mechanics are extremely fine. But I know the quality behind it, so I’m probably going to get it anyway.
"All things with «soul» gets energy by the sun. That’s more soul-like and fascinating (to me) than a winded mainspring."
You need to broaden your mind. Automatic watches are wound by our body movement. But, what powers our bodies? Food. What is the main source of energy for all food? That's right... The sun. So, if you think about it, the veggies or meat (still powered by veggies) we eat powers us, which powers an automatic watch. The ramen I'm having for lunch right now will be powering the automatic watch I'm wearing soon enough. LOL
I’m no snob regarding quartz watches. I just don’t like the jerky ticking of the seconds hand on quartz. Time is fluid and flowing. I do own a Bulova Precisionist quartz which has a smoother sweep than any mechanical I’m aware of. Too bad they haven’t used this movement in more stylish watches. My (2) favorite quartz watches are my Casio MRW200 H at $20 and my Citizen Promaster solar diver.