Using a CF Card as an SSD in a PowerBook 1400c

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  • @brokenelectronics3665
    @brokenelectronics3665 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Interesting how much we seem to work along the same lines. I have a PowerBook 1400 cs/166, a year later than yours. The screen is actually decent enough, and the speed bump is helpful. It's the machine on which I installed Mac OS 8.0 on 27 floppies. That was a fun video to make. I also got a PC ethernet card for it, but I will have to install 8.6 in order to get the drivers to work. And I also covet one pf the 3rd party CPU card upgrades. Sonnet did make them and NewerTech did as well. Sadly, they just don't pop up often. I did recently use it to install System 8.0 from a Power Computing recovery CD that I found on eBay. That was a fun video to shoot as well.

  • @thebristolbruiser
    @thebristolbruiser 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The 1400c is a great laptop. I use one for most of my writing, since the keyboard is so good. I also upgraded to a CF card on mine, the issue was that I only have a floppy disk drive. To get around this I simply copied a System folder from Sheepshaver on to the CF card from a PC. I don't think I had to do anything extra to bless it. Now I have 7.6 and 8.6 installed on the card.
    Good video/channel , by the way. It's nice to see PowerPC videos with such great production quality!

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's awesome, and thank you so much! I love the 1400 series keyboard - I think it's probably the best feeling keyboard in any Mac laptop.

  • @wojiaobill
    @wojiaobill 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    "This is a compromised Powerbook. It has no cache."
    oh man, i can totally relate...

  • @bamdadkhan
    @bamdadkhan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    just for the record (i think you already know by now): disk utility never works for copying images sector-by-sector. dd is awesome, but you need to unmount it (not eject) first and give dd the raw device *and* run dd as root (sudo) like so:
    $ diskutil list
    (find your volume e.g. disk2s1)
    $ diskutil unmountdisk disk2s1
    $ sudo dd if=/path/to/file.img of=/dev/rdiskNsN (substitute with above)
    then it wil work like a charm. : )

    • @bamdadkhan
      @bamdadkhan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mt441pl try using bs=1M as a parameter, that speeds it up. also you can use the buffered device (diskNsN) instead of the raw device (rdiskNsN). this might cause errors sometimes though.

    • @stefarossi
      @stefarossi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bamdadkhan Yep, always use bs=1M or bs=4M. Then it all depends on the speed of the drives :)
      I usually use the raw device, just wondering, why should a buffer help in a sequential copy scenario?

    • @bamdadkhan
      @bamdadkhan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stefarossi i honestly don't have any low-level architectural details to back it up, my guess is that when the write operation is buffered the storage device (especially a slower ones like USB floppies and old pendrives) can use its fastest native speed ignoring the pace set by the block size.
      of course this creates a backlog of data that then has to be sync-ed to the device on eject or issuing `sync` in the command line - but even so the whole operation seems to take significantly less time than using the raw device. but this might just be my case.

  • @athrunzala75
    @athrunzala75 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    16:25 the aesthetic of that version of Internet Explorer for Mac is still on point in my opinion. It just looks so slick.

  • @MaxOakland
    @MaxOakland 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a powerbook 1400cs/ 133
    It has one of the best laptop keyboards I’ve ever used in any laptop

  • @TheducksOrg
    @TheducksOrg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The G3 upgrades are relatively easy to find from Japan Auctions.. have a look into it :) I have had a couple of these (still have a C/166!) Love them..

  • @JessicaFEREM
    @JessicaFEREM 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I enjoy your content, really in depth and interesting to watch. I like what oddities and plans you make for the little cute Macs

  • @PupNuggs
    @PupNuggs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hope you've put some electrical tape over the bottom of that CF-laptop IDE adapter board since filming.

  • @miguimau
    @miguimau 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your Powerbooks are very much like new!!!! Thanks for sharing.

  • @hermannschaefer4777
    @hermannschaefer4777 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are still IDE-SSD-drives around, commonly for industrial purposes. Not cheap, but I tend to use those instead of CF cards (or SD-cards or USB-sticks).

  • @zuur303
    @zuur303 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As with modern mobile phones I'd say it takes more engineering prowess to make a device come apart easily, than simply glueing it shut or soldering everything down, from ram to storage. My last two phones I had to ditch not because they were faulty, but because trying to replace a failing battery truly killed them. Seeing the easy way you can enter this 1400c makes me think we've lost a lot as consumers.

  • @onigvd77
    @onigvd77 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've done the same upgrade myself, but to the 166Mhz version. I also got one of the G3 upgrades and maxed out the RAM. I did have video out but it did not fit at the same time as the G3 upgrade and had to remove it unfortunately. Thanks for bringing back the memories of the process, I did my conversion about 20 years ago.

  • @dreamersink9446
    @dreamersink9446 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is one of my favorite laptops ever. I had the 117c to start with and with upgrades have a 333 G3 upgrade in it. I Swapped the screens when it broke. Maxed the ram out, I added a 56.6 modem card and an orinco wifi card. I have the cd, floppy, and zip drive modules. I started using more modern machines and never got around to installing a CF card. I did have a 20gig hdd.

  • @krissjacobsen9434
    @krissjacobsen9434 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had one of these a long time ago that I bought used. Unfortunately neither the touchpad (nor an external mouse) worked, so I sold it again a while later. I regret that today. Maybe I could've fixed it. It was in quite good cosmetic condition, and worked pretty well apart from the mouse/touchpad.

    • @MaxOakland
      @MaxOakland 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You could buy one now. They sell for around $200

  • @jaybrooks1098
    @jaybrooks1098 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 1400 was supposed to have a liIon batteries too.. but the previous issues with the flaming batteries

  • @transitengineer
    @transitengineer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Excellent video. Cool, I never knew you could use a CF memory card to replace a computers internal Hard Drive. However, for myself in my 1990's vintage apple computers speed is not very important for me but, storage space is. So, I prefer to stay with slower internal Hard Drives but replace them with a much larger size (i.e. 30GB, 60GB, 80GB, etc.).

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh yeah, CF cards are very close to IDE

    • @deathventure
      @deathventure 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are msata to 44pin ide for laptops like this. I just purchased one for my aging gen 1 athlon 64 laptop.

  • @Natures_Intentions
    @Natures_Intentions 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoying your content I love the classic MAC computer's I have one G4 and looking for others like the g3 systems they are sure very high in price right now.

  • @SantaClaw
    @SantaClaw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @ActionRetro - Your CF adapter has bare solder on the bottom side, a side you have against a metal cover..

  • @A1L2E3X44
    @A1L2E3X44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have 2 1400c and both work great. One of them has a white qwertz keyboard having its origins from Germany

  • @esseferio
    @esseferio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm actually not sure if it feels faster or just less slow? :)
    Sometimes I think we are (or at least, I am) spoiled by how easy convenient and fast computers have become... I miss all these old machines just like the NeXT guy (hahaha, a French man trying to be funny in english...), but I wouldn't use any one of them for more than a couple minutes a year :) (yes, that's MY excuse for not hoarding retro stuff :))

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Oh yeah less slow is a great way of putting it. Like a sloth after a cup of coffee :)

  • @sjgrall
    @sjgrall 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I managed to use a CF to PCMCIA adapter to boot directly from a PC Card slot. Tricky to get the driver installed, but works great, and FAST.

  • @TestHandlePleaseIgnore
    @TestHandlePleaseIgnore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just snagged a working 1400c off of eBay for just under $100. I've been wanting to replay SimTower, SimCity 2000, and other old PPC games for awhile.

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Aw man that's a good score! I think the 1400c is a great machine for a lot of old games like that.

    • @TestHandlePleaseIgnore
      @TestHandlePleaseIgnore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@ActionRetro Thanks! The only bummer is that it has the floppy drive and not the cd-rom drive. But it is coming with a CF card in a PC Card adapter so I'll just use that along with installing an internal CF drive.

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh yeah the CF card makes such a huge difference!

  • @PaulBaker85
    @PaulBaker85 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I also have a 1400/117, although mine is the cs version so no fancy screen. Bought a spare parts 166 version from eBay that still worked, so swapped the whole motherboard from the 166 into the much nicer 117 chassis. You have to watch out when upgrading processors, the 117's motherboard won't accept one of the better chips without some major modifications; simply putting a 166 chip into a 117 won't work, it won't fire up.

  • @michalnemecek3575
    @michalnemecek3575 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:05 I have the same all-in-one card adapter! can't get it to read full size SD cards though.

  •  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Should of showed us boot time differences!!

  • @DavideNastri
    @DavideNastri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Does it make more sense for a newer mac (g3/G4) getting a cheap ssd or a sdcard?

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      SSD in my opinion. I've been using mSATA SSDs with inexpensive IDE adapters and you wind up with a really fast solution with a lot of storage space for $30-$40. Check out the adapter I used in this video on my PowerBook G4 - it's my go-to solution for these: th-cam.com/video/37e-4CM8VH4/w-d-xo.html

    • @brokenelectronics3665
      @brokenelectronics3665 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ActionRetro I agree. The speed is limited by the speed of the IDE bus, but an SSD on that bus will still perform much faster than a spinning hard drive.

  • @RichsRandomRetroReviews
    @RichsRandomRetroReviews 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not sure if you know this already, but you can just drop a control panel, font or extension onto the System Folder and it'll automatically put it in the right place. Means you don't have to manually choose the destination folder.

  • @noahpaulette1490
    @noahpaulette1490 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Going to be honest for a second there I was expecting "hey smoker's druaga one here"

  • @fsfs555
    @fsfs555 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sure you're aware but it's best to run a CF-based hard drive without VM for the longest lifetime of the CF card.
    The 1400 was basically a recased and marginally improved version of the 5300: the 1400/117 had basically the same logic and thus the same performance as the 5300ce/117. The best feature of the 1400 is its keyboard, which is arguably the best of the older PowerBooks (competing with the 2400 and WS/PDQ for the title, depending on your preference/hand size).
    Also, be gentle with the display: the hinge mounts are known fault points on these (and most other period PBs) and the plastics tend to crack.

  • @lukeweeks3470
    @lukeweeks3470 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Sean, I think the way to get the image restored was to just open (and mount) the .img file to the desktop and then have the source as Mac HD (the drive from the IMG file) and have the destination as the CF card volume. I've done USB drive restores with burning disk images of Mac OS X installers so I'd assume it works the same way.
    I know this is a bit late but I hope this helps in the future :)

  • @Combine_Harvester_of_Truth
    @Combine_Harvester_of_Truth ปีที่แล้ว

    When you put the cf card in and used the Mac, it seemed as fast as my 167mhz PowerBook 1400.

  • @zetorek83
    @zetorek83 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    on amazon is there sata to 44pin IDE so u can put 2.5 ssds now

  • @JessicaFEREM
    @JessicaFEREM 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    As a linux nerd, i love DD

    • @LostieTrekieTechie
      @LostieTrekieTechie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      dd is the best

    • @pokemaster2129
      @pokemaster2129 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the combination profile picture

    • @PeachIceCreamy
      @PeachIceCreamy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As a uh... something lover... I also love DD

    • @Mangiatorte
      @Mangiatorte 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Whats DD

    • @JessicaFEREM
      @JessicaFEREM 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mangiatorte unix tool, jokingly called Disk Destroyer because it can destroy disks if you type the wrong command in

  • @bashisobsolete.pythonismyn6321
    @bashisobsolete.pythonismyn6321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    there should be a scsi/sata adapter to put an ssd in the cd bay.

  • @floflo7550
    @floflo7550 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do anyone know how can a screen of this 1400cs powerbook break in the closet? Incredibile I did not check 1400cs for a while and today I found screen damaged cracked bottom point and the foil peals off in one-point (same as the cracking point). No one touched the the notebook.

  • @CoolStuffZone
    @CoolStuffZone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Uncheck erase destination should fix the restore error. Also, try RAM Doubler from Connectix to use Classilla.

  • @sfpratt1954
    @sfpratt1954 ปีที่แล้ว

    HFS+ seems to be unstable sometimes. I use HFS with multiple partitions.

  • @Blazeoptimus
    @Blazeoptimus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoyed your video. I think its worth noting that for compatibility reasons, a the CF card you used is your best bet for getting an SSD to work. The powerbook 1400c isn't very compatible with the sata to IDE converters that are out there. If you ever run into an issue cloning a drive, I use a free version of carbon copy from that generation. It works without having to figure your way through everything. Also, let me know if you're still looking for 133 processor. Also worth note on these is that the IDE cable to the HDD is extremely difficult to remove and very easy to tear. It makes it very easy to ruin the cable headed to the card.

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Good to know about the CF card. It does really seems to work great. It's amazing how much it makes up for the other bottlenecks in this machine. Also yes, I'm totally still looking out for one of those!

    • @Blazeoptimus
      @Blazeoptimus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ActionRetro Without putting my e-mail address on TH-cam, what's the best way to contact you regarding a mailing address. I have an extra 133 (I've purchased around 4 of these over the years) I can mail to you. From what I understand you can't transplant a 166 into the 133 or 117 and have it work at 166, otherwise I'd try to get you that.

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aw man thank you so much! My email is garbagecomputers@protonmail.com. And you're right about the 166 - it's not supposed to go in the lower-specced two machines.

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much! My email is garbagecomputers@protonmail.com

  • @kristenroos
    @kristenroos ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, do you think there's any reason why an 8 GB 60 MB/s compact flash card would not work? I'm trying to choose compact flash cards to do a similar install.

  • @ww21943
    @ww21943 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to install a SSD in a white G3 iBook. What is a good set of tools I can buy on Amazon to compete this? I noticed you have a set of tools you use in your videos.

  • @reluttr2
    @reluttr2 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How is that CF to IDE adapter not shorting out on the metal drive caddy? The solder points for the pins are clearly touching it.

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If I remember correctly, it's a thin piece of plastic covering the bottom of the caddy.

  • @Oz390gta
    @Oz390gta ปีที่แล้ว

    Were you able to get the CD working with the CF card installed? I have not been able to get any solid state solution working for the HD and the CR ROM work as well.

    • @ast3663
      @ast3663 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah, its an IDE conflict between the CD drive and the CF card..the CD must be set as master.

  • @stephensalex
    @stephensalex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    An OS 9 machine is much better suited for copying that HD to the CF card. Just erase it, select all, drag drop and go!

  • @ww21943
    @ww21943 ปีที่แล้ว

    I purchased the same adapter and it isn't getting power in my 1400c. I don't have a mechanical drive to test in its place. The issue might be the cable, but I don't know.

  • @SimonQuigley
    @SimonQuigley 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Haha, I have a 5300c that I got about a year ago. I finally managed to upgrade it from 7.something to 8.5. Still haven't managed to get a pcmcia Ethernet card working.

  • @wilfredpayne433
    @wilfredpayne433 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is where the upgrade CPU cards started 😂😅😂!!!

  • @alcobufff
    @alcobufff ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there any trick to getting the CF card reader and or CF card to be recognized? I used the same one, got it with the link provided and it won't show up is disk utility when I try to install os 9.2 on my g3 wallstreet.

    • @sfpratt1954
      @sfpratt1954 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've found you have to use 8.6 to initialize a CF card on a Wallstreet. I use PCMCIA CF adapter to initialize. HFS+ seems a little unstable so I use HFS with multiple partitions to cut down on wasted space.

    • @sfpratt1954
      @sfpratt1954 ปีที่แล้ว

      So obviously I'm running 8.6 on the internal drive.

  • @Nymunariya
    @Nymunariya 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10.2.8 introduced a command line tool called asr. Apple Software Restore. You can use that to copy over a backup image into a harddrive/ssd without the destination being resized to the original drive (as dd does). This does not compute has a good video that explains how to use it: th-cam.com/video/agsy77XXCt0/w-d-xo.html

  • @dvdbytes4348
    @dvdbytes4348 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Did i end up at a Druaga1 video ?

  • @DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs
    @DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I Glad Im Not The Only One That HasThat Issue Nice Job Great Video

  • @elverjimenez
    @elverjimenez 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you find a g3 upgrade? I have the same machine with that upgrade I can take video or sell it to you if your interested.

  • @JessicaFEREM
    @JessicaFEREM 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you need a coffee table, just grab a piece of glass with rubber feet and put 2 G5's under it.

  • @cheesetoast99
    @cheesetoast99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wanted to see the boot speed :(

  • @Smullaghy
    @Smullaghy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Getting a sub for spelling Sean Correctly.

  • @justmuil5355
    @justmuil5355 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It took over 5 minutes of keloel before any action was shown.

  • @sgirix65
    @sgirix65 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Out of curiosity, why most of retro geeks on TH-cam use CF card as a HDD replacement? Is there any advantages of it over something like SD cards which has more R/W speed nowadays

    • @thinkpad4
      @thinkpad4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The CF card interface is essentially a IDE interface so the computers see it as another IDE device. The CF device contains an ATA controller and appears to the host device as if it were a hard disk

    • @sgirix65
      @sgirix65 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thinkpad4 but now there is many SD to IDE adapters which also has ATA controller in it and SD cards are faster than CF cards nowadays. Is there any advantage of CF other than built-in ATA controller?

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sgirix65 compatibility. Some systems just never like those adapters. Plus, those adapters are often flaky, slow, or both. In addition some of them can have a hard time fitting in laptops like this if you’re unlucky.
      For personal use, if you have one project machine, you may prefer to test various adapters for the best speed, reliability, and compatibility. But for a video (or a collector with dozens of machines) it’s just not worth-it for marginal gains.
      These CF cards often max-out the system’s ATA bus anyway, and they frequently have better controllers on-board than an SD card has (important for longevity if you’re going to be using a few CF cards on a bunch of machines, but less-so if you’re a casual collector who’d only use them occasionally).
      In that regard there’s often no downside (except perhaps dollars per gigabyte) to using a CF card for this purpose, and a whole host of potential downsides to an SD card.

  • @JamesnLollify
    @JamesnLollify 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait, is that an iPod 4th gen CF adapter?

  • @oliversakic5907
    @oliversakic5907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I CAN'T BELIVE IT I'M THE FIRST COMMENT!!!!

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And I'm the first reply!!

    • @oliversakic5907
      @oliversakic5907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      :D

    • @esseferio
      @esseferio 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And no courtesy like to the video? How rude ;)

  • @Lemony1456
    @Lemony1456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fun!

  • @mblack1045
    @mblack1045 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, I have a PowerBook 1400 cs 133 - some one should buy it from me AND MAKE MY WIFE HAPPY THAT I GOT THINNED THE HERD BY ONE OLD GREAT MAC

  • @omfgbunder2008
    @omfgbunder2008 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    117/3.5 would make it a 33mhz bus, as if not having cache wasn't bad enough 🤮

  • @retrochristmas7329
    @retrochristmas7329 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if they put a power pc chip in the iPhone. THE POWER PHONE

  • @harshbarj
    @harshbarj 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Clearly not something you want to do for long term use. A CF card is not a SSD. You will end up killing memory cells in that card fairly quickly without wear leveling. It would be better getting a real SSD which they do sell with an IDE interface. The CF route is MUCH cheaper though, and is fine for a machine that will not see use often.

    • @PupNuggs
      @PupNuggs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      CF cards are actually pretty reliable. Why do you think they've been used in professional video cameras of years past? Besides the speed. Also, if this was a real huge risk, the retro PC community wouldn't be making and using things like the XT-IDE CF adapters you can buy/build, they'd be using SD cards or just straight-up using SSDs with adapters.
      SD cards wear down pretty quickly, they're not good to use as "SSDs", but CF cards are literal IDE SSDs in a portable form-factor. There's a rather smart controller on CF cards, unlike SD which was built for simplicity and cheapness.
      Though also, it is incredibly expensive to buy an IDE SSD. Especially one designed for laptops. What you're likely thinking of is the SATA/mSATA/m.2 to IDE adapters that you can buy. Believe me, I've searched far and wide in Australia and online, the only IDE "SSDs" you can find are Enterprise DOMs (Disk-On-Module) and usually are for desktop and embedded applications with a full 40pin interface.

  • @sdgx0
    @sdgx0 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    man srsly you used a hard drive adapter for a mac? see now this is why linux is better cuz it knows what to read in terms of hard drives or other things

    • @onigvd77
      @onigvd77 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      he used a CF to IDE adapter to make a SSD, you would have to do that for any old computer these days that has IDE

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The idea that a Linux install would do anything for electrically-compatible but physically-incompatible connectors is hilarious. Linux doesn’t make a mini-USB port accept micro-USB, and that’s an exactly equivalent comparison.

  • @bigmacgamer69
    @bigmacgamer69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    good video. i love ur content.