Insider's Perspective: "The Order" Polygamous Group Claiming Pure Bloodline of Christ w/ Amanda Rae
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It’s always a good day when Amanda Rae shows up. Thank you all. 💜
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The fact that someone really claims or actually thinks that they’re directly descended from Christ is just….wild. But I’ve met a woman in the church who literally said, “my husband did our genealogy all the way back to Adam and Eve,” and wasn’t kidding. Just amazing.
I have a cousin who makes the same claim
That’s some dope genealogy
Yeah. Maybe they did it while high af? 🤔
Hi, Bible PhD here! There is little scholarly consensus around the teachings of the historical Jesus, but I can tell you that 1. The urgent eschatological teachings of the historical Jesus and even much of Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels and Paul’s non-pseudepigraphal teachings wouldn’t be coherent with an insistence on marriage and children for salvation, 2. there is no evidence that the historical Jesus was married, and no evidence that I know of that the early Christ-followers thought he was married, 3. cultural norms surrounding polygamy had changed in many of the relevant areas in which the Hellenistic New Testament was written (as opposed to the earlier Hebrew Bible). If you’re interested in happy to speak with you or send you some scholarship recs!
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There's a scripture that says, in the last days there will be many Christs. I think this Mormon jesus is one of them. Clearly, not the same Christ as Christianity. Because, Jesus is not the brother of satan. If he was, that would make him being a demon also.
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy This would be a really cool interview. Impartial academic discussion of religion is so interesting, especially people who know the history related to the bible, such as the culture of the time and historical evidence.
There's no evidence
Glad you three are doing a collab.
So I'm 50 and I notice that the older I get the more I feel like I have to deprogram and reprogram my thinking. For instance one area is so much of what I was taught in public schools has been wrong or like I've been programmed to think a certain way. It's so exhausting sometimes how much I was programmed not to question things. Now obviously y'all have probably had way more growing up in a cult. I now have to question and rethink many things when I hear or read or see them. It's like I can't take much at face value. But I would like to say because of that I have raised my son to think completely outside the box and think for himself as well as search out answers for himself. My goal was to teach him how to think more than what to think cause let's be honest the older I get the less I know what to think anyway. 😂 I truly love when all 3 of you get together!
My 2 brothers that served missions both came home early. The first time it happened I was at yw camp. My leaders came and got me and said my parents wanted me home early, and all they'd tell me was it was about one of my brothers. The way everyone was acting I thought for sure he was dead. When I finally got home my mom couldn't even get the words out. I was like, is he dead?! And my dad said something alone the lines of if he was it would have been more honorable. It was WILD. And I was so embarrassed to go to church that week. My poor brother.
We're so sorry it was handled that way. So sad!
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy Thank you. You two have really helped me embrace compassion. My grandma grew up in a Mecixan colony, and my aunt is a devote follower of Jeffs. There's a lot of generational trauma in my family and it's been hard to differentiate between my anger for the establishment and choices made in my family. So thank you for always helping me remember to treat situations with grace and not anger.
I'm so sorry you went through this. One thing that has helped me deal with trauma is just remembering that sometimes people just don't know any better. Your parents were indoctrinated in this, they probably thought they were doing the right thing. Be easy on yourself. 🤗🤗
@@corriebelle Thank you. :) you're very right.
Wtf 🙄🤦♂️
If someone goes to college to become a geneticist, I don't see how they could possibly stay in a cult like that. They'd have to study for years and learn everything about biology and science that the cult withheld or denied for so many years. They'd have to interact with outsiders and take years of general education classes in things like ethics and philosophy and stuff like that, which would make them wake up and realize they were in a cult. Is their high school education even good enough to get into college to get a degree like that?
It’s actually indicates a pretty insidious worldview to go through life completely denying the reality in order to further “the cause.” Sick.
@@basicallyno1722 But their kids wouldn't be able to deny that reality anymore if their parents made them go to college to study biology and become a geneticist. Maybe it'd just be a weird kind of dumb irony, where those parents think they're furthering the cause, when in reality, they're actually ending it. They'd be ending the cult by doing something to further it. I mean, if they did really continue to believe in the cult while in college, they'd just be arguing with their professors all the time and flunking out of all their classes.
As a counselor I can tell you that everyone is shaped by a combination of nature and nurture.
I first watching TLC’s Escaping Polygamy (starring Amanda Rae![among others]) in 2015. At the time I felt like FLDS was more extremist than the Kingstons.
I started watching your channel, Mormon Stories Podcast, Amanda Rae’s channel, etc about 3 weeks ago. Now I think the Kingstons are the more extreme group. They don’t have the flashy clothes and they’re less insular but what they’re doing is crazy.
Absolutely loving Sam and Melissa’s hair in this, both absolutely stunning!
This was so crazy! The discussions of breeding kind of gave eugenics vibes?? And seems very contradictory to how religious people are normally very pro life? Really crazy stuff!!
Yeah Amanda's Grandfather the former leader was super into eugenics and horse breeding :/
I was raised in a fundamentalist non-denominational Christian church and left mentally in my late 40’s, stopped going to church a few years later. That’s an interesting question about personality and beliefs. I think I compartmentalize a lot, think one way logically and another way emotionally.
This is great having all of you!
I am new to your channel. I have just watched your video My spiritual journey from 3 years ago and it has made me feel I am not alone. I was brought up RC and I no longer believe in everything I was taught to believe. I had so much guilt for feeling this way but you have just confirmed to me that it’s okay to question religion and the term ‘I don’t know!’ Is okay. Thank you both.
I just love when you guys collaborate with Amanda. Such a good video. Good job Sam and Melissa. ❤
Love Amanda Rea!! Great conversation! Thank you all!
This was such an interesting conversation. Thank you to the three of you. It was eye opening for me having been born and raised in Ireland.
❤ thank you for the collaboration
Love your collaborations, they are always the best!
If we believe the history, Jesus didn't have a sibling or child so the bloodline ended. As a born non practice Catholic, we all heard the rumor Mary Magdalena was actually his wife and equal, but on the 4th century, she got removed from history and calimed as a "steet" woman. But polygamy was not Jewish practice at the time/region/religion.
Wasn't Jesus married?
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Protestant Christianity does believe Jesus had a brother… James.
Jesus had 4 brothers and several sisters. When I have a question about something like this I go to the Got Questions website, they are a reliable source and back up their answers with scripture you can read and study for yourself
Happy to see y’all together again! I adore both channels ✨
Super interesting as always. Also, I loooved the thunder in the background!
Good stuff! Amanda Rae is great!
I have learned so much from your videos, and this show ,each week leaves me shaking my head . I find it so ,so sad .for these people that have to leave . I can see the suffering on their faces . I’m glad there are people to help them
I have a sign in my bathroom that says "Mirror, mirror on the wall, I am my mother after all."
👏 YEA 3 of my favorite u-tubeers together again 👍👍
Thank you for sharing, I really like this video.
Thanks for sharing
I think that Gloriavale does the blood tests too.
I watch Amanda’s channel and y’all’s channel, such great content. Keep up the great work guys this is awesome👍🏼
There’s no such thing as a pure bloodline from Christ because Christ never had any children so the closest you could find to Christ bloodline is his half siblings
Perfect viewing to inform and entertain
Always iconic when you guys collab!!
Oh yeah Amanda is amazing
Wow, i subscribe to Amanda's channel and never heard that the Order said Jesus practiced polygamy.
Growing up Catholic, it was emphasized that Jesus gave up a wife and a family and earthly happiness for us.
I appreciate Sam's sentiments at the end. I try to look for the good in everything (and I can say that is my trauma, Amanda Rae, because it's a core part of how I got myself out of the worst of my depression). I've had the same reflection on my own life. It could have been better, sure, but it could've been much worse too. At the end of the day I'm happy with my life and I wouldn't want to trade for a different element because I wouldn't want to change what I have. For instance, I have a lot of problems with my dad and how he's handled being a father to my half-brother (from his then-girlfriend, now second wife who he's been with for 1.5x as long as my mom, and counting) versus a parent to me and his other two kids with my mom, but my brother has graduated high school, he's happy, he has his first girlfriend, and tomorrow I'm going to his graduation from welding school. (It shouldn't be used to justify suffering, certainly, but I think it's healthy to be happy with the good in your life even if it's connected to bad)
46:46 This is something I’ve struggled with long after leaving my high control family system and their version of Christian Fundamentalism. Defining my core values and identity did not happen until I was in my late 20s and continues into my mid 30s. I think it’s something more likely to occur when people grow up with limited autonomy and freedom to build and choose their own life as their brains are developing. Trying to build an identity later in life, after living in a high control system and/or experiencing trauma, is much more difficult as an adult because society treats most adults like we should already know who we are. Those of us who have to do this as adults must do so under pressure with judgement from the world as well as our own internal judgement, neither of which tend to be so strong when people are still children and teens. But even if building an identity later in life is difficult, it IS possible and it is SO rewarding and worth it!!!
Same.
Some people just shouldn't have any children.
Look at my other comment too but Jesus does say there is no marriage in heaven. And there is no evidence to believe he married. And it's clear we are adopted in to God's 'family' (also calls it grafted into the vine in the Bible) not actual spirit babies type thing.
I loved those questions about family and culture influences and I have comments!
My first thought was that when my eldest was 18/19/20 - she hated me and actually isnt talking to me any more, but it cracked me up that once she was talking about how idiotic she told people were because they said they wouldnt nurse their babies because it makes you look poor - she'd seen me nursing her 2 younger siblings and clearly that had rubbed off.
I grew up relatively well off (and jewish but not extremely so). I rebelled against the money parts, especially, and moved to a (secular) commune at one point. But when I left there, I realized taht I'd gone there looking for people I had more in common with, but we ended up only seeing our differences. It seemed like it made more sense to live in the outside world and look for the things we had in common.
and finally, once i had kids, I ended back in a fairly well-off suburb . . . . just because that felt comfortable to me when I had a family. Even earlier, it felt wrong to have kids and no dog, since i always had a dog growing up - but only 1 of my 3 kids likes dogs now!
Married 9 years! Happy anniversary! ❤❤
AMANDA!!!! Yesssssss
We went to the Bountiful Baby “seconds” sale at Rose Doll Show this year and yeah… you can tell on some of those kits something was very wrong with those babies.
The Kingstons are middle-eastern? Learn something new every day.
Lol the idea that these Anglo-white bread middle of America people think they’re descended from any tribes of Israel always cracked me up.
Love Amanda ❤❤
What's also amazing to see that the God himself shows the Kingstons and these cults that they are in the wrong by simply letting the "nature" unfold and these people reap what they saw.
I was raised mainstream LDS and was taught Jesus was a polygamist.
a couple days ago i saw an FLDS woman at walmart in Grand Forks, ND. i dont think she was very old, but her face look so hardened and sad ): is it known where these FLDS properties are in ND?
I’m trying to recall whose book I read- but in the book they talked about settlements and houses of hiding in Colorado, ND and Idaho? It was a woman who left and wrote a book. It was either Elissa Wall or Racheal Jeffs book that talked about property outside of Utah and Texas.
I think it's Pringle, ND.
@@user-dk6oo1rg6vPringle is in SD and recently the compound was either put up for sale (again) or sold (again) and is supposed to be empty presently.
Yes 100% ppl who aren’t raised in a strict religion have the same thoughts of “why do I believe this” or I’m just like my family. It’s prob easier to navigate through those ideas, but the same thought process is there. People generally believe what they do because they’ve been programmed to believe it. If we lived in a different society at a different time we’d think differently, we’re all trained somewhat into our thoughts.
Doris Hanson does a great job of explaining the polygamy that exists in the Bible.
Mennonites discourage higher education. There was a family, an outsider family who did end up joining, a couple with a 12ish year old boy, and I remember her saying she was very concerned about this mindset for her son because she thought it was very important. I know one woman did become a nurse before having kids and some women go to bible college. But yeah, college is definitely discouraged and if it is a college, it better be a conservative mennonite one.
I'm mostly Ashkenazi Jewish, unfortunately we are the genetic population most prone to generic disease*.
So in general if Jewish people marry each other it is expected that they'll do geneteic testing before trying to conceive.
*That's because in all jewish communities had a very specific structure of marriage for hundreds of years. The only diasporas that are considered "safe" are Mizrahi jews of yemanies descent and two specific groups of sfaradi jews, they have a record of quite a bit of rap3s and none "wipe out" attacks from the populations that lived next to them.
P.S. - We are talking mostly autoimmune things in these populations.
Yes 🎉
I just finished this episode so I came here to watch after. I knew they had issues with incest, but I didn't know it was this severe in terms of the birth defects. I feel very sad for those children. I mean, in one sense, disability is a fact of life. But I think it's very different when you deliberately take actions that cause those disabilities. I had no idea they were engaging in blood tests and genetic tests and all that. It makes me wonder if that storyline from Big Love was partially inspired by the Kingstons. If it's any consolation guys, people on the outside wonder how much of their personality is organic too, or at least I do. You have genetics, epigenetics, social conditioning, family system conditioning and beliefs, religion, school. I think we all struggle with these type of questions as humans. I think it's very normal.
I always love hearing about the different explanations people were given for why missionaries are not allowed to swim. In my family there is some story about a great-great-something grandfather of mine having to "bring his mission companion back to life" because he drowned in the ocean, so my parents and grandparents used to tell us it was so nobody had to do that again 😂 Then when I learned the whole "Satan controls the waters thing" I was like you know that somehow makes more sense than this one thing that happened with one family lmao
Amanda was such a rebel rouser in the zcult❤
I grew up with the no swimming on Sundays, devil controls the water thing too. We’re Methodist.
My “great generation” grandparents talked about it, but our parents didn’t enforce it. Also the grandparents weren’t allowed to wear red back in the day. There’s a story where my grandfather was given a maroon sweater and it was considered quite borderline and a bit daring to let him wear it.
Just your run of the mill midwestern methodists in the 20s and 30s.
I wonder if that goes back to the some of the older ideas in the Middle Ages about swimming being a cause of sickness and infection….even in the early 1900’s there was some caution about swimming due to the polio outbreaks. Funny how folk memories can become something much bigger in contemporary religions
Wow! So interesting. Thank you for sharing.
This is the first time I’ve heard Jesus was a polygamist.
Yeah, that’s because it’s a lie
In the Catholicism I was raised with they go the polar opposite, not only do they believe Jesus never married like most Christians but I was also taught that he never had any biological siblings and Mary remained a virgin all her life. The explanation is that either they’re his “cousins” or half-siblings from an earlier marriage Joseph had but this is one thing many Catholics get into arguments with Protestants over.
There actually is a tribe of Israel in Ethiopia.
This reminds me of Mormon vs JW- each thinking the other is so weird but there are actually a lot of similarities lol
Could gene editing Crisper technology being used by now?
Crispr gene editing sounds far too risky for the planet, in my opinion. Somatic gene editing is the way to go due to its non-heritability. Whatever is edited won’t be passed down to future generations and cause untold effects.
Amanda you are exactly right bible says there are no marriages in heaven.
Curious....is the window grouping behind you a symbolic design choice ❤
I'm an only child :( I hate it. I hated it as a kid, I hate it as an adult. My parents used birth control and wanted it this way.
At the beginning of this video, you mentioned what episode you’re on, episode of what? I must’ve missed it. Thx ☺️
Oh, you mentioned it at the end, never mind 😊
If the Kingston blood line was so pure because they had apparently all been marrying within the family for the last 2,000 years, then obviously that wasn't happening because you would have seen birth defects from the beginning then as you supposedly are continuing on what's already been happening. And if it was pure for the first 2,000 years without marrying your siblings, then maybe you don't need to marry your siblings for it to stay pure. Ah too much logic.
The Hapsburg royal bloodline bread themselves out of existence. By the end of it, there were many birth defects. So I doubt that is remotely true.
@@seameologynot true only Spanish Habsburg male line died out female Spanish Habsburg line still survive are royal family of Spain
Wow, for a guy that never got married to even one woman, now Jesus is a polygamist. Go big or go home, right? Pretty sure his bride was supposed to be the church... but maybe Christians made that up later.
52:00 no man is an island! we are deeply influenced by our families, friends, and society. That's called being human. But it is false that there is an authentic version of yourself divorced from the society you lived in is false.
I'd like to share this perspective of how I understand scripture through scholars study on that culture and the Hebrew language. In the OT, It's not that God said it was 'okay' for people to live polygamy. It was not set up in His order or plan but he did create creatures of free will and a world capable of 'goodness' has the chance for 'evil'. If you look at the history of mankind he set up a perfect Covenant with Adam and Eve and then they failed and allowed sin and Chaos into the world. Then he tried to start again with Noah and Mankind drifted again.. Look at Sodom and Gommorah that were full of pedophiles, orgies, violence, etc. Most of the stories recorded in OT are not prescriptions for living, only some are commands and laws. But rather they are to show us how when mankind is left to try to be 'good' on their own, even with God keeping his covenant with them, they continue to prostitute themselves out to other gods, their own desires, etc. (read Hosea which is analogy of God's undying love for us even when we are unfaithful). Then he made a covenant with Abraham and ultimately his descendants, Israel. All along pointing to the one who is coming to relieve mankind of having to sacrifice over and over bc they can't stop being a slave to their own horrible ways. Remember 'I AM' who appears to Moses in the bush. The same 'I AM' later appears before Pilot and is crucified for us. But back to the OT. then at this point it was really only Kings and royalty that taking on a bunch of wives. Bc that was a pagan way of status and making deals. Also it's the human nature of taking what you can get. But you can see by NT times it was obvious to then that polygamy was not God's order or we would have seen it in the early church and Jesus would not have spoken of marriage as man and woman, referencing Gen 2 - man cling to his wife and become 1 flesh. How could 1 man and many wives be 1 flesh? There were some unique occasions in the OT /very depraved time of humanity that because of the culture and how abused Women would be within that culture that God did allow men to take on a widow or things like that. He is kind to meet us in our wicked culture and showed from day one His Love for women and how the culture was wrong about them. But the examples of the men we see in Scripture that took on another wife such as Abraham, David, Solomon, etc all show us how devastating and drama-filled it is when you take on a more than one wife or a concubine. Specifically Solomon is a perfect example on how you can receive all the knowledge and wisdom related to principles but if you don't apply that wisdom to your life and live morally, your life will be completely chaotic and even your children and ancestors will suffer from it. A lot of people confuse the purpose of the old testament. If you notice, Jesus and the apostles never referenced the men of the Old Testament as moral men. They praised them for their faith. They were saved by their faith because God tells us that salvation is by faith through grace alone. They had strong faith but had major consequences for their sins. God used this to point to our need for a Savior. Those OT men are an examples of how when men try to be moral on their own they fail miserably and turn to their selfish desires. It's all pointing to why we needed Jesus to be the final sacrifice. It breaks my heart that false prophets come along and say the very things that made humanity fall. Doesnt JS sound just like the serpent (Satan) in the garden "you surely won't die, you will become like God".
Gotta also add it's so odd that the LDS church seems to ignore that Jesus was likely a 'brown' person
Well said.
@@ATiredMom well Joseph Smith said that jesus was a white man. But we all know Joseph Smith was a liar and a pedophile.
God created marriage - one husband, one wife = Genesis 1-2 God's Way.
I sort of believe that. That in the afterlife we will all be Angels of Christ.
Imagine being so deep in a cult and you fancy your sister so bad, but you're married that you come up with a "revelation" that says you have to keep the blood line pure and Jesus was a polygamist. Boom you can marry your sister now 🤣🤣🤣
Mormons still believed that Jesus was half god? I thought he was another brother, the first born but a brother. How did he become half god? Was he from another planet & he was really good but not good enough to become full god & was Satan technically also half god too? Or was he just human? He had powers though so he can’t just be human.
No. To my understanding, it’s because God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus are one. Former member though, and when I was a member I didn’t really believe it all….fact check me.
Its powerful to me knowing that I am directly related to ADAM AND EVE.... ❤
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@LibraLoo I am a child of God and Adam and Eve were his first children
I mean, they're mythological, but do you.
Im not sure how true it is but I was told that the "devil controls the water" came from the church trying to avoid liability from water related injuries or deaths.
Sam’s hair!!
"... and Jesus was a polygamist. " 🤧😅
Wait, what? 🤪
48:00 I'm always in such awe of when Amish, Mormon, Christian Fundies 'defect' and lament what could have been for their lives in the absence of that upbringing. Do you guys not understand how deeply intelligent, moral, and respectable you are? Those three traits particularly combined are nearly extinct worldwide. In fact, you guys are a living positive testimony for the way you were raised.
Poligamy was never Gods idea, you notice Adam in the beginning had ONE wife, and everyone who came after you notice, Lamach had two wife’s, and you notice he was of the line of Cain, who went apart from God and developed what would be pagan/Godless society. -Genesis 4:19
Later on the Apostle Paul made it clear especially for leaders the importance of having one wife: 1 Timothy 3:2-5
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, etc.
Great content! Horrible audio quality.
Did yall forget to sync the mic audio? 😅
And the bible literally says not to concern yourselves with genealogy. But who cares what the bible says?
Well, Mormons, don’t care for starters, since they say that the book of Mormon is more important than the Bible
Where does it say that?
@@dbprice100 1 Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Thank you!
Amanda Rae is so pretty. If you were in the kingston cult it would be easy to believe that girl is related to God. 😂
Polygamy is not mentioned until after the fall in the Garden.
Polygamy is not commanded in the Bible.
Nothing in the Scripture teaches, or even hints, that Jesus entered into a marriage of ANY type… let alone a polygamous marriage.
The bible doesn't shed a good light on polygamy. You never hear it anymore in New Testament.
Give Back Yard Professor a call...
You are wrong about Jesus not able to be of color. He certainly NOT whita, but rather had brown skin like most of us, the Jews. You, on the other hand, are far away from being remotely related to Jesus by color or origin. Jesus was a JEW who practiced judaism very strictly, was persecuted for being a Jew and died as a Jew. The same people who murdered him are also those who later proclaimed ownership on Christianity.
Amanda is gorgeous!!