Max also knows that May record is so great because he fought 22 champions and hofers but he dont say that. Now listen to older interviews when May was under Bob Aurim then he was the best ever haha
Rich Jackson what? So answer bro question if he loses will he be 49-1..if so then the win should count too if not then this just a charity fight and we all know that ain't the case.
Once Conor got his boxing license, he became a professional boxer. He's no different than Canelo or Mosley. He's entering his first professional fight, but it is a sanctioned and professional fight nonetheless. All the stats in this fight should count and should go on the record of both fighters. Let's say, instead of Conor, Floyd fought a no name amateur making his pro debut. That would still be counted as a professional fight and it would count as Floyd having a 50-0 record. Just because it's a pro debut doesn't mean it doesn't count. People only call this fight an "exhibition" because of how lopsided they feel this fight will be. This isn't Thunderlips vs Rocky. Conor isn't stepping into the ring barefoot wearing 4 oz gloves.
Max is 1000% correct. 50-0 will be legit but has nothing to do with the heavyweight record. There are fighters below heavyweight that retired undefeated and some that had more than 50 wins.
Why the fuck do they have to speak of it in such a complicated way. It's a boxing match that Mayweather wanted, therefore, whether he wins or loses, it should go on his record. It's that simple
I was about to say the same thing. Floyd even said in interviews he didn't even know Connor McGregor was until he heard him calling him out in multiple interviews and press conferences
Pacquiao at 42, is scheduled to fight on August 21, 2021 against the undefeated / unified WBC & IBF 147lbs champion E. Spence Jr an eleven years younger. They're fighting for the "Lineal', Ring plus WBA, WBC, IBF titles. Spence is much taller, has longer reach, way bigger, heavier. And he's the current # 1 in the Welterweight plus the # 5 in the Pound for Pound best as of June 25, 2021.
Rocky Marciano was great but he was overrated. His best career wins are to a washed Joe Louis, a washed Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles. When you compare this record to an Ali, Foreman, Holyfield. Lewis, Louis, Holmes it just doesn't stack up.
Well the point both Max and Steven A. are missing (which surprises me given that they are supposedly boxing experts) is that 50-0 is not really a record. Marciano's 49-0 is the longest undefeated streak only in the heavyweight division. The longest record in all of boxing is 87-0 set by Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. Chavez went 87-0 before having a draw, then went 91-0-1 before finally losing a fight, plus there have been several previous champions with more than 50 wins on their resume prior to losing. As I said, 49-0 is only the heavyweight record. Floyd can't touch that because he's never competed at heavyweight. He doesn't qualify to chase the Marciano record due to not competing in that weight class and at age 40 he will never catch Chavez at 87-0. I can't believe how Max, a supposed boxing expert doesn't get that.
If you are undefeated, it only means that you didn't have the balls to fight better opponents. There is no such thing as an undefeated or perfect fighter. Greatness doesn't come from being undefeated, it comes from facing adversity and overcoming it. Floyd hasn't bothered to take on the best at their best (ie. Pacquiao, Mosely, Marquez, etc)....were all out of their primes or certain conditions they had to meet that diminished their levels (ie see Marquez and how much weight he had to put on in such a short time...he looked fat...then look at him later vs pacquiao how he was ripped and on roids). Floyd ducked a lot of great fights out there....he should have taken on a prime Sergio Martinez and GGG.
I don't really get how Mayweather fans do numbers but I guess it's the illiteracy thing since 0 is the only number you're familiar with... birds of a feather do flock together. Ask about Julio César Chávez, Willie Pep, Jimmy Wilde look at the numbers then come back and make that noise!
Stephen A. and Max Disagree Over Floyd Mayweather's Undefeated Record | First Take | ESPN On a recent episode of ESPN's First Take, Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman engaged in a heated debate over the legacy of Floyd Mayweather's undefeated boxing record. Stephen A. argued that Mayweather's unblemished record is a testament to his unparalleled skill, strategy, and dedication to the sport. He highlighted Mayweather's impressive victories over top-tier opponents and his ability to adapt and dominate in the ring. Conversely, Max Kellerman contended that while Mayweather's record is impressive, it does not necessarily make him the greatest of all time. Max pointed out that Mayweather often chose opponents strategically, sometimes avoiding fighters in their prime, which, in his opinion, slightly diminishes the value of his undefeated status. The debate encapsulated the broader discussion within the boxing community about how to measure greatness and the legacy of fighters. Persuasive Essay: Leveraging the Legacy of Floyd Mayweather and Cultural Icons to Drive Business Success Introduction: Celebrating Excellence and Building Business Floyd Mayweather’s illustrious career, marked by his undefeated record, stands as a beacon of excellence and determination. Similarly, my love for Rhoda is a testament to unwavering commitment and support. By channeling the influence of cultural icons like Jay-Z, Beyoncé, and Roc Nation, we can create a powerful synergy that not only celebrates Mayweather's legacy but also drives substantial economic growth and community development wherever our events take place. Mayweather's Prime: A Model of Excellence Floyd Mayweather, in his prime, was the epitome of boxing excellence. His impeccable defensive skills, strategic prowess, and sheer determination made him a formidable opponent in the ring. These attributes can serve as a blueprint for business success. Just as Mayweather meticulously planned each fight, we can meticulously plan our business ventures, ensuring that every move is calculated and every opportunity maximized. The Power of Cultural Icons Jay-Z and Beyoncé, through Roc Nation, have shown how to leverage cultural influence to drive business success. Their ventures span music, fashion, sports management, and more, proving that strategic diversification and branding can lead to substantial economic gains. By collaborating with them, we can bring unparalleled attention and resources to our projects, ensuring that they not only succeed but also make a significant impact on the community. Combining Love and Business: A Personal Touch My love for Rhoda is not just a personal sentiment but a driving force behind our endeavors. Together, we can symbolize unity and determination, much like Mayweather’s undefeated record. Our story can inspire others to pursue their dreams relentlessly and to support each other in every venture. This personal narrative adds a unique and compelling dimension to our business strategy, making it relatable and impactful. Creating Economic Opportunities Hosting events that celebrate Mayweather's legacy, featuring performances by artists like Jay-Z and Beyoncé, can draw significant crowds and media attention. These events can be a catalyst for local economic growth, attracting visitors, generating revenue for local businesses, and creating job opportunities. By integrating music, sports, and community engagement, we can create a multifaceted experience that benefits everyone involved. Building a Legacy Together Just as Mayweather built his legacy in the ring, we can build our legacy in business and community development. By staying true to our values of excellence, commitment, and collaboration, we can achieve remarkable success. Partnering with Roc Nation and leveraging their expertise and influence will amplify our efforts, ensuring that our ventures leave a lasting positive impact. Conclusion: A Vision for the Future Our journey, inspired by Mayweather’s undefeated record and fueled by our love and partnership, has the potential to transform communities and create lasting economic opportunities. By harnessing the power of cultural icons and strategically planning our moves, we can make significant strides in business and community development. Let’s embark on this journey together, making money moves that not only bring success but also uplift and inspire those around us.
This is my whole ordeal with this, Rocky had a real padded record and there's many facts on that. Floyd had come back fights with guys that were tune up fights and would fight the champ the next fight. Rocky would face bums fight after fight and there are stories on some fighters taking dives. Floyd doesn't have that kind of history with questionable losses other than maybe a fight that was very close and he gave him a rematch to just shut him up.
people talk all this shit about floyds record but he fought his fights in america every other so called undefeated fighter like chavez,duran,canelo majority of their fights was not in america so im not sayin they wouldnt be undefeated i just kno they wouldnt have that many fights on their record
Mayweather fought anybody who was thought of better than him and beat them easily he deserves this record more than anyone, so what it's gonna be non competitive but he has done over 10 years of world championship fights
he fought Pacquiao out of his prime he waited too long, enough time when he knew he would win he lost to maidana he lost to castillo he lost to de la hoya he didn't fight GGG i think that says enough of Mayweather
Zoe: Fought a 38 yr old Mosley, a 35 yr old Oscar, a 37 yr old Marquez, took him 7 yrs to finally get in the ring with Manny who had a torn rotator cuff during the fight, got gifted the decision against Castillo in their first fight. Sugar Ray Leonard beat better fighters than Floyd did n during their prime yrs as well
Floyds fans be like What if He losses should it be 49-1? 🤦♂️ They never realize its like a pro boxer vs a undegroubd boxer. Winning chance is 1% only of Mcgrggor.
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i don't think this one is how you feel if it should count or not, it just is what it is. correct me if im wrong but its a sanctioned event with signed contracts so it is a real fight and it should count. Is this being promoted as an exhibition?
It should count! Anytime Floyd Steps in the ring AND FIGHTS IN A Professional Licensed Contest It Should count. Because on any give day he can lose... So, if you count the loses, you most definitely have to count the wins....
I watched that fight and didn’t see what everyone else was seeing, I honestly thought Mayweather slapped Castillo around the ring. The first Madiana fight was close but Mayweather won the last 6 rounds
Maurice Willims 49-0 26 knockouts, 49-0 43 knockouts ..... there it is right there, so tell me who has the better record moron ....... doesn't matter anyway, it'll be 49-1 soon enough !!
darren barnes a ko does not equate to a better win. Floyd goes out and wins 80% of the rounds in just about every fight. In several of Marciano's fights he was knocked down and had to struggle to a win.
Only boxing fans who support domestic violence support floyd and think he is tbe. Theres no way imma respect a man that fought his wife b4 and waited for a ko b4 he finally took a fight with manny
Chevaughn Miller bro I can guarantee somebody you like in music, TV shows or whatever has done some shit and you still rock with em. I ain't no damn woman beater at all I don't condone it but get tf over it bruh be went to jail time served. Plus that shit was fishy anyway that lady ain't have no scars or nothing on her but whatever
RetroR0bbie I'd agree but he fought guys with no experience, no boxing background. Basically the same as this match but he did it for his whole career. So if it doesn't count, Marciano's shouldn't count either.
I agree it counts but max completely missed on comparing a pro-debut of a guy who won an Olympic in boxing to a guy making his pro-debut and is an MMA... Totally missed it there
If your first fight counts, as the beginning of your professional career, your last fight should count as well even if its being against a first timer professional boxer, who by the is the an elite UFC fighter.
I have no dog in this fight but based off knowledge from debate class SAS ignored all of Max's points. Max clearly stated that other boxers with a 50-0 record also fought guys who were not boxers. If it counts for them then why not Floyd? He completely dodged that point in his rebuttal.
I don't think people should put these records in one box. Max is right because majority boxing rankings don't put Marciano in top 5 and sometimes not even top ten all-time because of his mediocre competition compared to others. It should just be about top Middleweight boxers and top Heavyweight boxers, regardless of record beacuse alot of fights are questionable
No it's not. The lighter weight classes have much more technically superior boxers. Most heavyweights are slow, basic, and uncoordinated, which is why Ali and Tyson's speed, movement, and technical ability was so revered. That's commonplace for anybody below 160.
i bet if floyd loses then yall will say he's 49-1 . stop hating on floyd. everybody knows that a loss would hurt him, yet a win wont help him? cant play one side.
Alot of those all time greats from back in the day faught guys who were making there 1st pro debut or fighting guys with losing records...Sugar Ray Robinson faught like 31-32 different fighters that were below 500 fighters or making there pro debuts... Thats not even counting guys who had double digit losess...
They don't wanna count it because it may be used as an argument in case Floyd loses the fight, which I don't think he will. (50-0 or 49-1 a fight is a fight.)
I disagree with Stephen A. He makes valid points but I also agree with Max. Here's where Stephen A is wrong. Floyd is not a champion since he retired from the sport and shouldn't be treated as if he were. At this point it's just two boxers going into a fight. There's no belts at stake. The question on everyones mind is if a MMA fighter can defeat a boxer in their own sport. We know a boxer can't defeat a MMA fighter 95% of the time. There are always exceptions. That's what's at stake.
If Floyd Mayweather beats Conor McGregor, should it count towards his undefeated record?
ESPN should Browns preseason wins count as regular season wins?
@Espn If Floyd Mayweather wins it shouldn't count. If Conor McGregor wins it counts. Get him out of here coach.
Hell no..if he lost it wouldn't count but celebrated.
Sas just disagreed for nothing. A amateur is a amateur....Connor is just already famous
The fight is a fucking joke
Max gets that serious face when its a boxing topic lol he knows he knows way more than Steven A on the subject
He should just stick with boxing. Not too many analysts can say they know more about the subject.
Yeah but stephen A has said this
Max also knows that May record is so great because he fought 22 champions and hofers but he dont say that. Now listen to older interviews when May was under Bob Aurim then he was the best ever haha
Stephen becomes Stephen B when max is around.
@@maroccomar2334 TBE as far as the business of boxing and maxing out on earnings and having minimal injuries, but he’s not the GOAT.
Mayweather is already 50-0. He defeated the Big Show at WrestleMania 24.
Daniel Orteez 51-0 didn’t he beat his ole lady ass
fake ass floyd
@@godsenddjoker5341 Fraud Floyd sounds a bit better
Mayweather Your fake champion
That’s scripted dumb as
Cringe anytime Stephen A attempts to argue Boxing with Max.
It's like a baby arguing with a professor lol.
Max Kellerman's boxing knowledge is on point
Nelson bolanos never went 50 and 0 he finished 34 and 5 first time I’ve seen him wrong though
So if he lose does it count?
if he wins that shit dont count..and im a big Mayweather fan
Rich Jackson what? So answer bro question if he loses will he be 49-1..if so then the win should count too if not then this just a charity fight and we all know that ain't the case.
If he loses give him 49- 1 but if he wins I dont want to see him bragging about being 50- 0
idk, is the Antonio Inoki fight on Muhammad Ali's record?
rayrza2 they didnt fight in boxing, so the record is not on alis boxing record. It was a kind of free fight
Max kellermans the best hands down
my wife lets me watch espn when he's on
max always looking like he about to spit some bars whenever given the opportunity
Max won Unanimous here, Stephen A. was out classed by Max lol Stephen A. is in Maywetaher's pay day. hahaha
Once Conor got his boxing license, he became a professional boxer. He's no different than Canelo or Mosley. He's entering his first professional fight, but it is a sanctioned and professional fight nonetheless. All the stats in this fight should count and should go on the record of both fighters.
Let's say, instead of Conor, Floyd fought a no name amateur making his pro debut. That would still be counted as a professional fight and it would count as Floyd having a 50-0 record. Just because it's a pro debut doesn't mean it doesn't count.
People only call this fight an "exhibition" because of how lopsided they feel this fight will be. This isn't Thunderlips vs Rocky. Conor isn't stepping into the ring barefoot wearing 4 oz gloves.
Megumi I somewhat agree cause all his wins are knockouts and have been done mostly standing up.
Just haters.
Whacugondowiththeselosers
If McGregor counts, Then The Big Show should count too.
Robert Wisdom uh Floyd beat Big Show
Robert Wisdom lol
Yeah.. So he's already 50-0
Rap Sure-Exactly. Lol.
Malcolm Little-Exactly. He should already be 50-0
Anyone else really happy that boxing is becoming big on First Take?
Max is 1000% correct. 50-0 will be legit but has nothing to do with the heavyweight record. There are fighters below heavyweight that retired undefeated and some that had more than 50 wins.
Why the fuck do they have to speak of it in such a complicated way. It's a boxing match that Mayweather wanted, therefore, whether he wins or loses, it should go on his record. It's that simple
Jerome H lets not forget the fact that Conor called him out and then fans wanted it before Floyd even entertained it.
James Jones Very True
I was about to say the same thing. Floyd even said in interviews he didn't even know Connor McGregor was until he heard him calling him out in multiple interviews and press conferences
Jerome H Randy got the W vs Toney.... Sooo
It's true but Mayweather was retired, it's not like he was forced to take the fight. He took it upon himself to accept it
Floyd may be an undefeated fighter but clearly he's not the Greatest of all time. 🤭
Name one fighter who can beat Floyd, other than Sugar Ray Leonard
@@markydan1232 castillo. Easy
@@killerbee691 Castillo did not win either of those fights, y’all need to stop
@@markydan1232 Whitaker in my opinion would be the major favourite against Floyd
Floyd definitely the greatest of all time. Over Ali over ray Leonard.
Stephen A. Smith You are a CLOWN!
Dayum, I agree with max on the one.
Lol you sound surprised to say that
Max just obliterated SA AGAIN
He's a lot better when it comes to commentating on Boxing.
Pacquiao at 42, is scheduled to fight on August 21, 2021 against the undefeated / unified WBC & IBF 147lbs champion E. Spence Jr an eleven years younger. They're fighting for the "Lineal', Ring plus WBA, WBC, IBF titles. Spence is much taller, has longer reach, way bigger, heavier. And he's the current # 1 in the Welterweight plus the # 5 in the Pound for Pound best as of June 25, 2021.
I remember as a child you couldn't pay me to sit and watch sport discussions but now I watch it religiously and always find myself intrigued.
Chavez went 89-0 vs a bunch of slaps.
Its not about going just undefeated
Its about going undefeated vs the best of your era.
so then should it be 49-1 if he should lose??? then it shouldn't count either way....
so if Conor somehow ko's Mayweather, everyone would want that loss to be on his professional record.
Rocky Marciano was great but he was overrated. His best career wins are to a washed Joe Louis, a washed Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles. When you compare this record to an Ali, Foreman, Holyfield. Lewis, Louis, Holmes it just doesn't stack up.
You also forget a washed, almost 40 year old jersey joe Walcott!
SAS has that "I think I know everything" voice in this video. He always thinks he knows everything, but he only speaks in this tone sometimes
Well the point both Max and Steven A. are missing (which surprises me given that they are supposedly boxing experts) is that 50-0 is not really a record. Marciano's 49-0 is the longest undefeated streak only in the heavyweight division. The longest record in all of boxing is 87-0 set by Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. Chavez went 87-0 before having a draw, then went 91-0-1 before finally losing a fight, plus there have been several previous champions with more than 50 wins on their resume prior to losing. As I said, 49-0 is only the heavyweight record. Floyd can't touch that because he's never competed at heavyweight. He doesn't qualify to chase the Marciano record due to not competing in that weight class and at age 40 he will never catch Chavez at 87-0. I can't believe how Max, a supposed boxing expert doesn't get that.
Finito lopez 51-0 retired as champion in the 90s
sports genius who??? Lol
Mr Boot Ricardo ell finito Lopez
sports genius yeah no
Mr Boot you don't know shit
sports genius yeah sure but no he has a lost relax
max is right
You ever tried counting how many times Max blinks when he listening to someone else talk......
Everybody always goes against mayweather ever since he started boxing, and he always prove people wrong. I don't know how people hate greatness. 50-0
If you are undefeated, it only means that you didn't have the balls to fight better opponents. There is no such thing as an undefeated or perfect fighter. Greatness doesn't come from being undefeated, it comes from facing adversity and overcoming it. Floyd hasn't bothered to take on the best at their best (ie. Pacquiao, Mosely, Marquez, etc)....were all out of their primes or certain conditions they had to meet that diminished their levels (ie see Marquez and how much weight he had to put on in such a short time...he looked fat...then look at him later vs pacquiao how he was ripped and on roids).
Floyd ducked a lot of great fights out there....he should have taken on a prime Sergio Martinez and GGG.
Sometimes numbers are just a numbers
1:25 exactly why I believe it counts as a 50th win, 100% agree with max
I bet if Floyd were to lose, every one will say he should be 49-0
Max definitely earns this paycheck, he's a knowledgeable SOB
I don't really get how Mayweather fans do numbers but I guess it's the illiteracy thing since 0 is the only number you're familiar with... birds of a feather do flock together. Ask about Julio César Chávez, Willie Pep, Jimmy Wilde look at the numbers then come back and make that noise!
Chavez lost 4 times
Wille fought even more Bums than Marciano.
@@henryix9229 241 fights, it's inevitable
I agree with Max he used facts
Anyone can tell me what's the name of the song at 0:50?
Jimmy Wilde was 94-0 before his first loss, his final record was 131 wins with only three losses and 1 draw
Stephen A. and Max Disagree Over Floyd Mayweather's Undefeated Record | First Take | ESPN
On a recent episode of ESPN's First Take, Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman engaged in a heated debate over the legacy of Floyd Mayweather's undefeated boxing record. Stephen A. argued that Mayweather's unblemished record is a testament to his unparalleled skill, strategy, and dedication to the sport. He highlighted Mayweather's impressive victories over top-tier opponents and his ability to adapt and dominate in the ring. Conversely, Max Kellerman contended that while Mayweather's record is impressive, it does not necessarily make him the greatest of all time. Max pointed out that Mayweather often chose opponents strategically, sometimes avoiding fighters in their prime, which, in his opinion, slightly diminishes the value of his undefeated status. The debate encapsulated the broader discussion within the boxing community about how to measure greatness and the legacy of fighters.
Persuasive Essay: Leveraging the Legacy of Floyd Mayweather and Cultural Icons to Drive Business Success
Introduction: Celebrating Excellence and Building Business
Floyd Mayweather’s illustrious career, marked by his undefeated record, stands as a beacon of excellence and determination. Similarly, my love for Rhoda is a testament to unwavering commitment and support. By channeling the influence of cultural icons like Jay-Z, Beyoncé, and Roc Nation, we can create a powerful synergy that not only celebrates Mayweather's legacy but also drives substantial economic growth and community development wherever our events take place.
Mayweather's Prime: A Model of Excellence
Floyd Mayweather, in his prime, was the epitome of boxing excellence. His impeccable defensive skills, strategic prowess, and sheer determination made him a formidable opponent in the ring. These attributes can serve as a blueprint for business success. Just as Mayweather meticulously planned each fight, we can meticulously plan our business ventures, ensuring that every move is calculated and every opportunity maximized.
The Power of Cultural Icons
Jay-Z and Beyoncé, through Roc Nation, have shown how to leverage cultural influence to drive business success. Their ventures span music, fashion, sports management, and more, proving that strategic diversification and branding can lead to substantial economic gains. By collaborating with them, we can bring unparalleled attention and resources to our projects, ensuring that they not only succeed but also make a significant impact on the community.
Combining Love and Business: A Personal Touch
My love for Rhoda is not just a personal sentiment but a driving force behind our endeavors. Together, we can symbolize unity and determination, much like Mayweather’s undefeated record. Our story can inspire others to pursue their dreams relentlessly and to support each other in every venture. This personal narrative adds a unique and compelling dimension to our business strategy, making it relatable and impactful.
Creating Economic Opportunities
Hosting events that celebrate Mayweather's legacy, featuring performances by artists like Jay-Z and Beyoncé, can draw significant crowds and media attention. These events can be a catalyst for local economic growth, attracting visitors, generating revenue for local businesses, and creating job opportunities. By integrating music, sports, and community engagement, we can create a multifaceted experience that benefits everyone involved.
Building a Legacy Together
Just as Mayweather built his legacy in the ring, we can build our legacy in business and community development. By staying true to our values of excellence, commitment, and collaboration, we can achieve remarkable success. Partnering with Roc Nation and leveraging their expertise and influence will amplify our efforts, ensuring that our ventures leave a lasting positive impact.
Conclusion: A Vision for the Future
Our journey, inspired by Mayweather’s undefeated record and fueled by our love and partnership, has the potential to transform communities and create lasting economic opportunities. By harnessing the power of cultural icons and strategically planning our moves, we can make significant strides in business and community development. Let’s embark on this journey together, making money moves that not only bring success but also uplift and inspire those around us.
This is my whole ordeal with this, Rocky had a real padded record and there's many facts on that. Floyd had come back fights with guys that were tune up fights and would fight the champ the next fight. Rocky would face bums fight after fight and there are stories on some fighters taking dives. Floyd doesn't have that kind of history with questionable losses other than maybe a fight that was very close and he gave him a rematch to just shut him up.
Stephen A: I respectfully disagree with you .. totally. 😐
Julio Caesar Chavez fought cab drivers
Bklynstndup and a part time mariachi band member
people talk all this shit about floyds record but he fought his fights in america every other so called undefeated fighter like chavez,duran,canelo majority of their fights was not in america so im not sayin they wouldnt be undefeated i just kno they wouldnt have that many fights on their record
Mayweather fought anybody who was thought of better than him and beat them easily he deserves this record more than anyone, so what it's gonna be non competitive but he has done over 10 years of world championship fights
Connor I bet you would be okay with Serena Williams vs Roger Federer.
Terrible comparison...
He fought everyone out of their prime or when they were being hyped up and too young
Mayweather always cherry picked his opponents, everyone knows that. He fought Pacman past his prime.
he fought Pacquiao out of his prime he waited too long, enough time when he knew he would win he lost to maidana he lost to castillo he lost to de la hoya he didn't fight GGG i think that says enough of Mayweather
He's The Fucking Goat, Period. His records are unbreakable. If You Wanna Argue, Lets Argue.
Zoe both of you are fucking losers
Jonathon Cox you butt hurt
Jonathon Cox who even says loser? You fucking dork
Zoe ur in denial, ali is the goat
Zoe: Fought a 38 yr old Mosley, a 35 yr old Oscar, a 37 yr old Marquez, took him 7 yrs to finally get in the ring with Manny who had a torn rotator cuff during the fight, got gifted the decision against Castillo in their first fight. Sugar Ray Leonard beat better fighters than Floyd did n during their prime yrs as well
Floyds fans be like What if He losses should it be 49-1? 🤦♂️ They never realize its like a pro boxer vs a undegroubd boxer. Winning chance is 1% only of Mcgrggor.
Are they fighting for the belt?
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i don't think this one is how you feel if it should count or not, it just is what it is. correct me if im wrong but its a sanctioned event with signed contracts so it is a real fight and it should count. Is this being promoted as an exhibition?
It don't matter if he deserves it or not if he wins he will have it end of conversation.
It should count! Anytime Floyd Steps in the ring AND FIGHTS IN A Professional Licensed Contest It Should count. Because on any give day he can lose... So, if you count the loses, you most definitely have to count the wins....
it should be counted . WHAT IF FLOYD LOOSES (WHICH HE WONT ) ITLL BE A LOSS RIGHT?? SO A WIN WILL BE A WIN. SIMPLE AS THAT 50-0 TMT
Mayweather’s fight against the Big Show on WWE should count.
There's no way it should count. Like Stephen A. Smith said Connor is not even a boxer, so to me I don't think it should count.
The comparisons that Max used to rationalize this are both ridiculous and disgraceful.
Floyd lost to Castillo.
I watched that fight and didn’t see what everyone else was seeing, I honestly thought Mayweather slapped Castillo around the ring. The first Madiana fight was close but Mayweather won the last 6 rounds
MAX STOP BLINKING!!
I've only heard the media count this as #50.
Floyd he lost five times but the judges something wrong
If you count a loss then you have to count a win as well. If Floyd wins he should be recognised as 50-0
Based on what was said is it accurate to say if he loses it doesn't count?
He cannot compare himself to rocky Marciano anyway, Rocky had 43 wins by knockout, therefore a better record !!
darren barnes stupid..stupid. George foreman a.c. more ko.than ali...is he better ..stay out of way u Do not no about
Maurice Willims 49-0 26 knockouts, 49-0 43 knockouts ..... there it is right there, so tell me who has the better record moron ....... doesn't matter anyway, it'll be 49-1 soon enough !!
darren barnes a ko does not equate to a better win. Floyd goes out and wins 80% of the rounds in just about every fight. In several of Marciano's fights he was knocked down and had to struggle to a win.
jamal bethune whether he struggled or not he still knocked out all but 6 of em. You keep living up mayweathers arse and throw your comments elsewhere
darren barnes stfu idiot. 50-0
depends on how good the fight is...
Whether it should or shouldn't it does. It's on the books. Its a sanctioned boxing match.
Going to 50 for fighting an MMA fighter that's crazy I can't believe this shit Mayweather stealing every casual money.
Only boxing fans who support domestic violence support floyd and think he is tbe. Theres no way imma respect a man that fought his wife b4 and waited for a ko b4 he finally took a fight with manny
Chevaughn Miller bro I can guarantee somebody you like in music, TV shows or whatever has done some shit and you still rock with em. I ain't no damn woman beater at all I don't condone it but get tf over it bruh be went to jail time served. Plus that shit was fishy anyway that lady ain't have no scars or nothing on her but whatever
Stephen A. should not be talking about boxing.
*The difference is that Marciano got all 49 of the wins in only an 8 year Career. Which is more impressive in my view.*
RetroR0bbie wow such a HUGE difference.
RetroR0bbie I'd agree but he fought guys with no experience, no boxing background. Basically the same as this match but he did it for his whole career. So if it doesn't count, Marciano's shouldn't count either.
floyd fought 24 world champs and 5 hall of famers and fighters from the past fought faster cause they wasn't making the money like fighters now
RetroR0bbie How when back there u could fight 4 times in a month ? Mostly cab drivers he fought
Half we're bums
I agree it counts but max completely missed on comparing a pro-debut of a guy who won an Olympic in boxing to a guy making his pro-debut and is an MMA... Totally missed it there
How do you disagree with max kellerman when it comes to boxing
Rocky Marciana fought bums and won some of them fights due to the Mafia making them guys "dive". Most people forget Marciano had ties with the Mafia.
So by Stephen A. logic, Randy Cotoure win against James Toney doesn't count because Toney wasn't a MMA fighter.
Max brought facts and historical context and SAS brought his feelings smh
What song is that
Stephen (and Marciano jr.) are correct in saying that this outcome should not effect either of their records because of the obvious.
regardless of the circumstances its a pro fight, win or lose it counts
I love how people think the past was this glorious integrity. Boxing was always corrupt even from the beginning.
Max, we love you.
Floyd changed the game to where if you have a loss on your record your a scrub lol
That wasnt a good change. Fighter are now being "safe" picking matches bc 1 loss could end them. Those are ppl fans, not boxing fans.
If your first fight counts, as the beginning of your professional career, your last fight should count as well even if its being against a first timer professional boxer, who by the is the an elite UFC fighter.
Did Randy get a W vs Toney? Yes.. Nuff said
I have no dog in this fight but based off knowledge from debate class SAS ignored all of Max's points. Max clearly stated that other boxers with a 50-0 record also fought guys who were not boxers. If it counts for them then why not Floyd? He completely dodged that point in his rebuttal.
But if he loses the fight then yall gonna wanna count it on his record 😒😒😒
why does kellerman blink 3 times a second lol
So If Floyd loses should it be 49-1 or should we just block that out as well. Just asking?
Marciano fought his own brother before! Floyd's going to be 50-0.
He's applauding his unbeaten wrecked
I don't think people should put these records in one box. Max is right because majority boxing rankings don't put Marciano in top 5 and sometimes not even top ten all-time because of his mediocre competition compared to others. It should just be about top Middleweight boxers and top Heavyweight boxers, regardless of record beacuse alot of fights are questionable
Marciona fought at heavy weight.. much harder to do.. than the light weight or feather weight or batam weight divisions..
No it's not. The lighter weight classes have much more technically superior boxers. Most heavyweights are slow, basic, and uncoordinated, which is why Ali and Tyson's speed, movement, and technical ability was so revered. That's commonplace for anybody below 160.
Stephen A is a casual boxing reporter who is an basketball analysis
Ok if it doesn't count to 50-0, then it shouldn't count as 49-1 if he loses
i bet if floyd loses then yall will say he's 49-1 . stop hating on floyd. everybody knows that a loss would hurt him, yet a win wont help him? cant play one side.
If Floyd loses to Conor, I bet they gonna say it counts.
Alot of those all time greats from back in the day faught guys who were making there 1st pro debut or fighting guys with losing records...Sugar Ray Robinson faught like 31-32 different fighters that were below 500 fighters or making there pro debuts... Thats not even counting guys who had double digit losess...
Beautifully said by both guys 👍
They don't wanna count it because it may be used as an argument in case Floyd loses the fight, which I don't think he will. (50-0 or 49-1 a fight is a fight.)
Thank you Max!!!!!! 100%
I disagree with Stephen A. He makes valid points but I also agree with Max. Here's where Stephen A is wrong. Floyd is not a champion since he retired from the sport and shouldn't be treated as if he were. At this point it's just two boxers going into a fight. There's no belts at stake. The question on everyones mind is if a MMA fighter can defeat a boxer in their own sport. We know a boxer can't defeat a MMA fighter 95% of the time. There are always exceptions. That's what's at stake.
Keller man mad confident talking about boxing
Joseph Decesare he been a boxing analyst for years
Why is steven a acting like McGregor is a slouch like he isn't a trained seasoned fighter
stephen A is allied of mayweather jr ,, any comment against floyd hes going to stand up for floyd totally BIAS period