@xkonsentox Yeah, at Penn State we had 1 ITG2 Machine for about a year then it disappeared. We used to live in South Elgin between 1994-1998 and I remember there were a decent amount of arcades around there. I don't know if there still are anymore.
You are jumping to conclusions a bit there. in the groove came out when DDR EXTREME was still the newest game and there was no word on the next release yet. So of course all the players were going to go to the newly upgraded in the groove and in the groove 2 arcade machines because it was simply something new. It grew fast and more favored then DDR because it had cheap upgrades and nice dedicated cabinets, was more challenging at the time and had some good songs.
Yeah and you could bring your own USB and really extend the song list. The few machines I played had a TON of songs, but a lot of those added ones were simply too hard with only 1 step file. Anyhow, ITG machines definitely had much better pads than DDR and of course more Settings which is always a plus.
Yeah, that's about what I was seeing too. It just looks like there's too much in the songs that go from being "hard but possible" to "just unfair", throwing in things that make no sense with that kind of speed. Thanks very much for answering my questions! :D
@xkonsentox Ah I didn't know that. Though there are absolutely no DDR Arcade machines near me, so the only experience I've had with Arcade versions are at amusement parks like Hershey Park so I've never really had much chance to notice something like that.
I've been out of the loop for a few years, with my only venue being a DDR Extreme machine at a nearby arcade. However, I'm getting back into it, and I've heard a lot of people say that the newer "super-hard songs" (like Faxx and Pluto: Relinquish) have really bad stepcharts compared to the classic 10-footers of old. I can kind of see it, but I wanted to get the opinion of someone that played them regularly, as I'm still working up to that level. Do you agree? If so, what makes them worse?
@SegaFanatic5188 That's okay. Sometimes DDR and ITG machines just are not that abundant. Illinois has a ton for some reason. Our local theme park (Six Flags Great America) had 5 DDR machines last season. A few seasons before that they had 6 DDR machines, 2 Pump It Up machines, 2 beatmania (HipHopMania) machines, a Percussion Freaks 5th Mix and a MTV Drumscape. 0_o That was wild!
@SegaFanatic5188 The timing windows on the home versions are made more open when they are made making scores easier to get. Arcade AAA's can be extremely difficult to achieve because the window is so much smaller.
@schindelerium That's one of the things that made DDR so great in the early days, the fastest songs were the "big boss songs" like Max 300/Unlimited/Legend of... They were hard and looked harder, but they were possible and realistic. The new songs like fascination maxx, Pluto Relinquish, and other songs like 888 are just I enjoyable because they are way too fast, and they are simply bothersome. I like playing songs that keep a food beat and are fun to dance to, not extremely hard and tiring.
@xkonsentox Eh. I stand by what I said. A new challenge may be cool, but some things just get redonculous. Although, I gotta admit, watching you do this shit is impressive.
ALSO, it wouldn't have put "DDR out of business". DDR is not a business, KONAMI is, and the American arcade business is so tiny that it really would not have affected them at all. Especially since production and distribution of the game was handled by Betson. Also who knows if it would have "killed DDR in the states". Konami filed a lawsuit after BoXoR infringed KONAMI's patent for using hardware on their arcade machines.
@LegendKillerO2Jammer Its just my personal preference. Sometimes double stepping will save your stamina, but you loose your accuracy. Sometimes its the other way around, and sometimes it just is not possible to double step.
That song is crazy hard, how long did it take you to pull this off. but what does it take to beat this song really... I think you need very fast reflexes and memorization.
Maybe two or three times a week. Sometimes I take breaks due to school and work so it might take up to two weeks for me to play again, but for the most part I try to fit playing into my schedule.
all though that may be true, you cant argue that itg would have put ddr out of business if they had not sued them because itg grew faster in popularity then ddr did. But the factor that much of the older players of ddr did switch over to itg because beginner players were unfamiliar with the way itg is layed out.
The game was getting over-shadowed in difficulty by other bemani titles as well as DDR's competition. It was really saddening to see that the difficulty never exceeded a certain point and then finally Konami delivered. I think it is and was a welcome addition to the game and finally gave players a chance to really improve and challenge themselves.
Nice Job. And I envy your HD recording skills :) What do you use to record your gaming? Also, what's wrong with going back to play Fascination MAXX? It's not in the current versions we play (although it might be DLC for the PS3 in the future), so there's nothing wrong with it. You've done better than I ever could.
once again, you AA'd a song I can't even pass XD! (well I haven't try this in forever) so idk if I can now, not impressed honestly, since you can beast pluto the first :) .. good job :D keep it up
Oh if your talking about stamina I definatly got that I did an entire 10k run and Iv'e ran on the treadmill at 9mph nonstop for 20 minutes... I got the stamina for sure, just not the sence of beat i guess.
@MISSsuperstarrr What? How is the home version any different from the Arcade to make it not count. If anything it's HARDER to get a AAA on the home version since the quality of pads ranges from close to arcade quality to absolute shit. It's not like the step charts are dumbed down or anything. It's the exact same engine playing the exact same game using the exact same songs and stepcharts from the Arcade version. The only difference is you don't have to pay $1 a song to play at home.
@MISSsuperstarrr haha I love it because you are still watching all of my videos. Thanks for the extra hits by the way. Did you ever think that maybe there was not a machine anywhere near me like many other people? Plus I really dont care who is better then me. If your better then me great, what does that gain you in the end? I dont care what you say its the things people want to watch I care about. Everyone enjoys my videos that are on my channel, there is no reason to be a douche like u.
Two things: 1 - Typically only the licenses contain copyright. 2 - I am uploading gameplay that follows the community guidelines. If a copyright warning comes up it also typically can get cleared and published onto TH-cam as its all part of gameplay. If any issues do come up my Partnership higher ups will take care of it.
in the groove lost all its fun. The community is honestly barely staying alive and any effort put towards "reviving it" are immediately put to rest. DDR is awesome, its officially supported, still has a large audience in Asia and the best part is the community surrounding it is amazing and Konami and its artists even support the community. Also in the groove would have never existed if DDR wasn't even made. So if "DDR sucks" then "in the groove sucks" because its based on the DDR series.
Well sure in America you might be right. If you are talking worldwide, HELL NO. I still fail to see the point that you are trying to make here. Both games are fine, its just a matter of opinion. Each game is equally as difficult had both have a different audience. in the groove isn't really in the groove anymore though, its what hackers make out of it now.
@MISSsuperstarrr Notice how I dont give a shit? Also notice how much more people watch my videos then yours? Notice I do count arcade AAA's and have a name on both websites? Get out of here kid.
Compared to classic boss songs, ya they are pretty bad. One of the reasons why is because they are filled with very stupid gimmicks. It makes in nearly impossible to AAA and just takes away the fun. Also Faxx has some really stupid crossovers in the chart, which is rather dumb as the sections that has the crossovers are the 400 BPM runs. Relinquish is dumb for the gimmicks and last stream. I probably have only full combo'd it twice.
in the groove is boring. Nothing is official anymore and everyone in that community is a bunch of assholes. Who cares if you can play custom songs, that doesn't make the game any better.
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1080p in 2009 :O
Wow.
@@Matt-kl7qc Apparently TH-cam added support for 1080p video around November 15, 2009. So this was only two weeks after that happened.
dude moves as fast as a startled cat
@xkonsentox Yeah, at Penn State we had 1 ITG2 Machine for about a year then it disappeared.
We used to live in South Elgin between 1994-1998 and I remember there were a decent amount of arcades around there. I don't know if there still are anymore.
You are jumping to conclusions a bit there. in the groove came out when DDR EXTREME was still the newest game and there was no word on the next release yet. So of course all the players were going to go to the newly upgraded in the groove and in the groove 2 arcade machines because it was simply something new.
It grew fast and more favored then DDR because it had cheap upgrades and nice dedicated cabinets, was more challenging at the time and had some good songs.
Yeah and you could bring your own USB and really extend the song list. The few machines I played had a TON of songs, but a lot of those added ones were simply too hard with only 1 step file. Anyhow, ITG machines definitely had much better pads than DDR and of course more Settings which is always a plus.
Yeah, that's about what I was seeing too. It just looks like there's too much in the songs that go from being "hard but possible" to "just unfair", throwing in things that make no sense with that kind of speed.
Thanks very much for answering my questions! :D
O.O Dang. Simply, dang. I wish I could dance like that, I have a hard enough time doing this song on difficult
@xkonsentox Ah I didn't know that. Though there are absolutely no DDR Arcade machines near me, so the only experience I've had with Arcade versions are at amusement parks like Hershey Park so I've never really had much chance to notice something like that.
I've been out of the loop for a few years, with my only venue being a DDR Extreme machine at a nearby arcade. However, I'm getting back into it, and I've heard a lot of people say that the newer "super-hard songs" (like Faxx and Pluto: Relinquish) have really bad stepcharts compared to the classic 10-footers of old. I can kind of see it, but I wanted to get the opinion of someone that played them regularly, as I'm still working up to that level. Do you agree? If so, what makes them worse?
@SegaFanatic5188 That's okay. Sometimes DDR and ITG machines just are not that abundant. Illinois has a ton for some reason. Our local theme park (Six Flags Great America) had 5 DDR machines last season. A few seasons before that they had 6 DDR machines, 2 Pump It Up machines, 2 beatmania (HipHopMania) machines, a Percussion Freaks 5th Mix and a MTV Drumscape. 0_o That was wild!
@xkonsentox That was the only one in my area listed on DDRFreak.
Practice, practice, practice. That's all it is!
@SegaFanatic5188 The timing windows on the home versions are made more open when they are made making scores easier to get. Arcade AAA's can be extremely difficult to achieve because the window is so much smaller.
No way I could AAA it probably ever.
@schindelerium That's one of the things that made DDR so great in the early days, the fastest songs were the "big boss songs" like Max 300/Unlimited/Legend of... They were hard and looked harder, but they were possible and realistic. The new songs like fascination maxx, Pluto Relinquish, and other songs like 888 are just I enjoyable because they are way too fast, and they are simply bothersome. I like playing songs that keep a food beat and are fun to dance to, not extremely hard and tiring.
Over 8 years.
@xkonsentox Eh. I stand by what I said. A new challenge may be cool, but some things just get redonculous. Although, I gotta admit, watching you do this shit is impressive.
1:35 That blur in the foot-cam makes it look sped up lol
@ddrkingjb Its only on SuperNOVA, SuperNOVA 2, X and X2. On SuperNOVA you need to earn it by AAing your final stage song with a AA or AAA.
Afaik it can only be played on Boss Rush Episode IV, a course on SuperNOVA. From SuperNOVA 2 onwards the Challenge chart is available in normal play.
ALSO, it wouldn't have put "DDR out of business". DDR is not a business, KONAMI is, and the American arcade business is so tiny that it really would not have affected them at all. Especially since production and distribution of the game was handled by Betson.
Also who knows if it would have "killed DDR in the states". Konami filed a lawsuit after BoXoR infringed KONAMI's patent for using hardware on their arcade machines.
@LegendKillerO2Jammer Its just my personal preference. Sometimes double stepping will save your stamina, but you loose your accuracy. Sometimes its the other way around, and sometimes it just is not possible to double step.
That song is crazy hard, how long did it take you to pull this off. but what does it take to beat this song really... I think you need very fast reflexes and memorization.
Maybe two or three times a week. Sometimes I take breaks due to school and work so it might take up to two weeks for me to play again, but for the most part I try to fit playing into my schedule.
all though that may be true, you cant argue that itg would have put ddr out of business if they had not sued them because itg grew faster in popularity then ddr did. But the factor that much of the older players of ddr did switch over to itg because beginner players were unfamiliar with the way itg is layed out.
@SegaFanatic5188 Might want to check DDRFreak and give a few places a call. Doesn't hurt to try and ask if those machine are still there.
The game was getting over-shadowed in difficulty by other bemani titles as well as DDR's competition. It was really saddening to see that the difficulty never exceeded a certain point and then finally Konami delivered. I think it is and was a welcome addition to the game and finally gave players a chance to really improve and challenge themselves.
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Nice Job. And I envy your HD recording skills :)
What do you use to record your gaming?
Also, what's wrong with going back to play Fascination MAXX? It's not in the current versions we play (although it might be DLC for the PS3 in the future), so there's nothing wrong with it. You've done better than I ever could.
I Dont Have This Song Yet In My Arcade =(
nvm, im just being stupid right now, dammn your hard to troll. Anyway, what pad are you using?
once again, you AA'd a song I can't even pass XD! (well I haven't try this in forever) so idk if I can now, not impressed honestly, since you can beast pluto the first :) .. good job :D keep it up
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Oh if your talking about stamina I definatly got that I did an entire 10k run and Iv'e ran on the treadmill at 9mph nonstop for 20 minutes... I got the stamina for sure, just not the sence of beat i guess.
@Zero100009 It takes very little memorization. You just need a sense of beat, and be able to play the entire song (stamina).
@MISSsuperstarrr What? How is the home version any different from the Arcade to make it not count. If anything it's HARDER to get a AAA on the home version since the quality of pads ranges from close to arcade quality to absolute shit. It's not like the step charts are dumbed down or anything. It's the exact same engine playing the exact same game using the exact same songs and stepcharts from the Arcade version. The only difference is you don't have to pay $1 a song to play at home.
Thank you. :)
I will make it today. Should be uploaded later.
have u done max 300 supermax me mix
I will continue to use it then.
and look at it, people (serious players) still play lot more then ddr, and it has a bigger expert player community then ddr
OMG.
that, and I think it's hard with shitty plastic dance pads
thanks as usual :)
Thank :)
What brand of mat and how's it been holding up for you so far?
he doesn't have diz pad no more! he owns his own arcade cab now! watch his latest vids
Because there is totally a decent piu machine in Illinois. :P
Yes I can do the Challenge chart.
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TX2000. I sold it to someone as soon as I got a machine.
Yes arcade version. I quit console ages ago.
now AAA this
I can't because its locked on DDR SuperNOVA.
@MISSsuperstarrr haha I love it because you are still watching all of my videos. Thanks for the extra hits by the way. Did you ever think that maybe there was not a machine anywhere near me like many other people? Plus I really dont care who is better then me. If your better then me great, what does that gain you in the end? I dont care what you say its the things people want to watch I care about. Everyone enjoys my videos that are on my channel, there is no reason to be a douche like u.
yes I passed it.
@SegaFanatic5188 Oh ya... Then I feel sorry for you then dood that really sucks :(
Hey Kon, I'm curious. Isn't all of DDR copyrighted music? How has your channel not been removed by TH-cam?
Two things:
1 - Typically only the licenses contain copyright.
2 - I am uploading gameplay that follows the community guidelines. If a copyright warning comes up it also typically can get cleared and published onto TH-cam as its all part of gameplay. If any issues do come up my Partnership higher ups will take care of it.
So if someone had a video of just the song, then that would be copyright infringement?
Typically yes. That is especially true if someone is making money on the video as well.
Ok. I guess that makes sense then. Thanks!
OMG KON!
Wait, what if it's a video of autoplay?
in the groove lost all its fun. The community is honestly barely staying alive and any effort put towards "reviving it" are immediately put to rest. DDR is awesome, its officially supported, still has a large audience in Asia and the best part is the community surrounding it is amazing and Konami and its artists even support the community.
Also in the groove would have never existed if DDR wasn't even made. So if "DDR sucks" then "in the groove sucks" because its based on the DDR series.
No, I did not.
Well sure in America you might be right. If you are talking worldwide, HELL NO. I still fail to see the point that you are trying to make here. Both games are fine, its just a matter of opinion. Each game is equally as difficult had both have a different audience. in the groove isn't really in the groove anymore though, its what hackers make out of it now.
@MISSsuperstarrr Notice how I dont give a shit? Also notice how much more people watch my videos then yours? Notice I do count arcade AAA's and have a name on both websites? Get out of here kid.
Compared to classic boss songs, ya they are pretty bad. One of the reasons why is because they are filled with very stupid gimmicks. It makes in nearly impossible to AAA and just takes away the fun. Also Faxx has some really stupid crossovers in the chart, which is rather dumb as the sections that has the crossovers are the 400 BPM runs. Relinquish is dumb for the gimmicks and last stream. I probably have only full combo'd it twice.
in the groove is boring. Nothing is official anymore and everyone in that community is a bunch of assholes. Who cares if you can play custom songs, that doesn't make the game any better.
wow your a monster hahaha!! peace!!!
Thank you :)
wow your a monster hahaha!! peace!!!