What's great is that since Korg is using the MS style patching in their DS-10 and their iMS-20 for the iPad, that this is incredibly useful information for those applications as well. Thank you so much!
very helpful ... not just in making fun noise but explaining the how and why this is exactly what i need to help me get to grips with this machine and start making some music
dude, your synth vids are amazing... you don't only manage to demonstrate the instrument you're playing, but it kinda teaches people how to use it for real.
So, I just bought iMS-20 for iPad and these tutorials are coming in very handy. My college pep band is a little low on resources (read: players, instruments), so I'm going to use iMS-20+amp as a tuba/baritone (might post a video once it's all said and done). One complaint, though: the video res is too poor to read the MS-20 labels.
Hi Marc, holding down a note and triggering the envelope that way did the trick...and I solved the noise problem as well, I just "mispatched" it a little bit :) Everything's working great now! I'm really thankful for your MS20 tutorial videos since they actually made me buy one. At first you think it's too much to handle with the patch panel and all but as soon as there's somebody to explain it to you, things look a lot brighter!
I watched your series on the mini, but thought i would give this rundown of the patch panel a watch. Definetely worth my time! I never thought about the thing you point out at 3:54: The Triangle MG is by default routed to pitch. You went on to send two different LFO waveforms with the same frequency to modulate the same destination. Such a weird but interessting machine.
Thanks for the videos. They make a great start for my iMS-20 on the iPad. With the iPad version you can use the mod wheel (or any other control source) to control multiple items. Just drag from the item you want to control to the controller to get multiple wirings. Example: from VC HP filter to mod wheel and then from VC LP filter to mod wheel.
Hey this is a very helpful video! Thanks a lot for sharing this! I have the VST-version of the MS-20, and I am going to have great use of this next time I'm using it. Appreciate it man!
***** no this is a problem stretching all the way back to the 80s, the insistent and obsessive desire for the demoist to make you stand and watch them play endless 70s styled funk riffs rather than letting you try the gear for yourself. Now it has infected the interwebs. In future please play some Kraftwerk lines, or something spacey. I do however applaud you for not going down the Trance route !
Govt Hired Sheep/Shill Well, my procedure has always been to proceed through the functionality of the synthesizer function by function so that the viewer has the ability to decide whether the timbres created or the functional parameters were suitable for their tastes. So, ultimately, what notes I play are pretty irrelevant. These days, you can't see a synth demo without it just being some person triggering their analog from a sequencer and them wrenching on the filter cutoff. While I have been as horrified by funk, etc. from people demoing synths since time immemorial, I'd rather see someone play something with their hands than what passes these days for "demonstration." Also, every single thing I play is original. You'll never hear Kraftwerk here, I'm sorry to tell you. :)
Boy, you had a lot of coffee before recording that one. Or it might just be the excitement of playing the MS20 patchbay. In any case, it is really useful!
Thanks from Canada 10 years later. I have the MS-20 mini. Tutorial translates pretty well, finally gunna do more than bass stuff with it! Ps 666th like :O
@AutomaticGainsay Well you helped me to play my Legacy MS-20 software! So now if I ever see a real MS-20 in my life I'll be able to do awesome things! Like most of things the Korg isn't complicated... Once you understand how its working!
Did you snort anything before making this? seriously it's one thing to actually know so much about the synth, but to be able to actually explain it.... im deeply impressed, thanks
4:50 : Hey Marc, I can't seem to get my Ext. Input to work...I routed an Output of my Interface directly to the Input but nothing happened...anything I have to adjust aside from the filters before I hear a result? Also the Noise Generator and the White Noise Oscillator on my MS20 are way more quiet than yours in the video. Is my MS20 somewhat damaged?
hey mark is there any 'workaround' for having the filters track the oscillator cv? i know there is a kbd cv out but it only works for the range of the built in keyboard, if you use the octave switches it doesnt do anything. is there no other way to acheive the effect of being able to 'play' the self oscillating filter across the keyboard somewhat accurately. i always thought if one of the osc had audio and cv out you could do this plus fm sounds too. maybe its a mod?
Thank you. I've had an MS20 for ages and it's always been a love hate affair for me. Without someone to explain the patch bay it can be a complete dog to figure out. I started off by trying to copy patches from the VSTI but it's pretty obvious that as well as sounding nothing like the real deal the softsynth has had a lot of enhancements added to it. Which is really misleading when you try to copy it's patching. Cheers for the info.
Hi, Gene! Welcome to TH-cam. 1. Did you happen to glance at the date of upload for this video? 2. Do you have any idea what TH-cam's expectation was for uploads that year? 3. Try here: /watch?v=QOeVZSoUiNA It's probably too small for you too, but again: this was shot in 2008. Thanks for visiting!
Ok Mr. Doty, So what would you able to do with that "little box" if EVERYONE of the jacks on the front panel was routed one of the other jacks so that all 32 jacks were filled with a patch cord at one time?
Hey man i enjoy ur review, especially the moog realistic :D, anyway is there a way to latch the ms20 mini sound n make it arpeggiatin while synch to drum machine? Thanks...
Hi. In not too long I will be buying either an MS20 Mini or an MS20 kit. Would you please recommend which one to buy? It would be a great help to me. Thank you in advance.
(apology in advance for stupid question) but i must ask, Do you have to use the modular side for the knobs to work? Eg: Do i have to plug one thing into another, to use the knobs on the left to control cut off, filters, etc.!
is this "eurorack" type of patches? i mean... are they minijack? 1/4"? ... i suppose you can use the patchbay as modules to use in conjunction with a modular system... right? if so... i am goingo to ebay right now!
Ive just got me an ms-20 mini and your vids have been invaluable in helping me understand my first 'modular' synth. Thanks for all of them. I do have one question, have you tried the iPad version? Ive been comparing the sounds on both and often the ims sounds are much fuller and have more presence and attack. Would you agree?
Any chance you could help me recreate the Soulwax "krack" patch? I have tried my very best to achieve this on my own but, i just cannot fathom how its actually made, PLEASE help a man in need!!!!
@AutomaticGainsay: I vote for the latter. The size is rather unimportant. Voltage instabilities, quality of resistors amd stuff like that play a lot greater role. VacTrooper, your theory of "lost power" sounds not very plausible. Filter and oscillator design/waveform shape seem to be much more plausible factors for "grittiness", in addition to modulation possibilities. The MS-20 has a pretty unique triangle waveform shape, for example, like a ring modulated sawtooth wave.
Marc, have you tried the new Korg MS20 mini? I would love to know your thoughts on it. I would love to buy one but only if it actually DOES sound like the original MS20. Your videos are always entertaining, thanks for that ;-)
I think I have a theory as to why this thing sounds so gritty... Since they put SO much into such a little package, there is less resistance going through the whole thing, therefore it's LOUDER and GRITTIER, NASTIER... A legit theory? People say that's the reason why the TB-303 is different sounding than the x0xb0x, is becuase Roland made the 303 cheaply and crammed a lot into a small package, thusly creating that sound, whereas the x0xb0x is better made... Make sense, or am I crazy?
Ok. You really know how to use this .. thing. It´s obviously a typical Korg design. UI is as bad as it can get. The only defence is: It´s from the 70ties. Why would anyone buy this as new now?
What's great is that since Korg is using the MS style patching in their DS-10 and their iMS-20 for the iPad, that this is incredibly useful information for those applications as well. Thank you so much!
extremely helpful, ive comitted this entire series to memory since buying my ms-20 mini.
Picked an original MS-20 today and these videos are hugely helpful. Thanks so much for uploading.
Thanks for watching! I'm glad I can help!
Hey Mr. Ball, I'm nosey & stuck in Mini land... how much did you pay?!
Caalamus Did a private deal, so a bit fortunate. They're pretty pricey on eBay and Reverb. Think the going rate is £1,000 - £1,500.
Finally, someone who doesn't just give examples but explains how the ms20's patch panel works. Thank you thank you thank you.
very helpful ... not just in making fun noise but explaining the how and why
this is exactly what i need to help me get to grips with this machine and start making some music
Anders Panders I'm glad I could help!
dude, your synth vids are amazing... you don't only manage to demonstrate the instrument you're playing, but it kinda teaches people how to use it for real.
All the wonder of the original Korg MS-20!
In 240p...
Love it!
My vintage synth examinations are now vintage, too
Tried an MS-20 today for first and love it- so basic and fun! Makes patching a joy and good way to modular.
So, I just bought iMS-20 for iPad and these tutorials are coming in very handy. My college pep band is a little low on resources (read: players, instruments), so I'm going to use iMS-20+amp as a tuba/baritone (might post a video once it's all said and done).
One complaint, though: the video res is too poor to read the MS-20 labels.
Hi Marc, holding down a note and triggering the envelope that way did the trick...and I solved the noise problem as well, I just "mispatched" it a little bit :)
Everything's working great now! I'm really thankful for your MS20 tutorial videos since they actually made me buy one. At first you think it's too much to handle with the patch panel and all but as soon as there's somebody to explain it to you, things look a lot brighter!
I watched your series on the mini, but thought i would give this rundown of the patch panel a watch. Definetely worth my time! I never thought about the thing you point out at 3:54: The Triangle MG is by default routed to pitch. You went on to send two different LFO waveforms with the same frequency to modulate the same destination. Such a weird but interessting machine.
This is one of the better synth tutorials I've seen! GREAT job man!
Thanks for the videos. They make a great start for my iMS-20 on the iPad.
With the iPad version you can use the mod wheel (or any other control source) to control multiple items. Just drag from the item you want to control to the controller to get multiple wirings. Example: from VC HP filter to mod wheel and then from VC LP filter to mod wheel.
Very helpful for learning how to patch on the iMS20 as well. Really gives me a grip on it. Thanks!
Ahhaa. Already first example explained me how Mr Oizo probably made Flat Eric to speak. Inspiration started to flow - thank you.
Really useful. Thanks for doing these. And the cs15. Wonderful instruments.
Thank you so much, I am just learning all about patching, and got myself the MS20, this helps heaps...🙂🙂🙂
Great video, very helpful and entertaining, thanks.
This is great, I learned a great deal from this. Thank you very much.
excellent demonstration, THANK YOU
Hey this is a very helpful video! Thanks a lot for sharing this! I have the VST-version of the MS-20, and I am going to have great use of this next time I'm using it. Appreciate it man!
So funny the hiperactive way Marc explains. Thanks, it was fun.
Is it possible for an analogue synth demo that doesn't involve some kind of funk lead line ?
Govt Hired Sheep/Shill I'll bet at least ONE of my demos doesn't have some kind of funk lead line.
*****
Then you have broken the mold of demoists and synth store workers around the globe if it's true ;-)
I INVENTED THE MOLD OF DEMOISTS! Oh, wait. Yes, so you can blame me. :)
*****
no this is a problem stretching all the way back to the 80s, the insistent and obsessive desire for the demoist to make you stand and watch them play endless 70s styled funk riffs rather than letting you try the gear for yourself. Now it has infected the interwebs. In future please play some Kraftwerk lines, or something spacey. I do however applaud you for not going down the Trance route !
Govt Hired Sheep/Shill Well, my procedure has always been to proceed through the functionality of the synthesizer function by function so that the viewer has the ability to decide whether the timbres created or the functional parameters were suitable for their tastes. So, ultimately, what notes I play are pretty irrelevant.
These days, you can't see a synth demo without it just being some person triggering their analog from a sequencer and them wrenching on the filter cutoff. While I have been as horrified by funk, etc. from people demoing synths since time immemorial, I'd rather see someone play something with their hands than what passes these days for "demonstration."
Also, every single thing I play is original. You'll never hear Kraftwerk here, I'm sorry to tell you. :)
Great tutorial. Just what I was looking for. Thankyou.
Learned an A$$ load watching this video!!!! THANKS! Now I get my MS-20 that much more! Rock on!
awesome video again. roll on part 2
Boy, you had a lot of coffee before recording that one. Or it might just be the excitement of playing the MS20 patchbay. In any case, it is really useful!
Thank you!
Thanks from Canada 10 years later. I have the MS-20 mini. Tutorial translates pretty well, finally gunna do more than bass stuff with it!
Ps 666th like :O
@basslinegenerator I'm glad I could help!
I keep returning to these videos. You should be knighted for making them!
Excellent tutorial, thank you!
Hey, this also works on the VST version. This video gave me some ideas.
@AutomaticGainsay Well you helped me to play my Legacy MS-20 software! So now if I ever see a real MS-20 in my life I'll be able to do awesome things! Like most of things the Korg isn't complicated... Once you understand how its working!
A bit hyperactive indeed, but with some pause-buttoning very instructive indeed. Thank you.
No, the jacks are just for extra control of the sound. You can still get a lot of different sounds without even touching any cables.
Hey, thank you! Keep watching this channel... I will be answering your question soon... :)
@AutomaticGainsay It is if you buy (or build) the Korg MS-02 interface!
@MyroslavMakashov Thank you! It's a small passive Rolls 4-channel mixer!
Did you snort anything before making this? seriously it's one thing to actually know so much about the synth, but to be able to actually explain it.... im deeply impressed, thanks
4:50 : Hey Marc, I can't seem to get my Ext. Input to work...I routed an Output of my Interface directly to the Input but nothing happened...anything I have to adjust aside from the filters before I hear a result?
Also the Noise Generator and the White Noise Oscillator on my MS20 are way more quiet than yours in the video. Is my MS20 somewhat damaged?
Cool vid, now if only I had as MS-20...
Cool vid! Thanks dude. Your voice sounds a bit like Zappa doing his speeches between songs like for example Penguin in bondage :)
hey mark is there any 'workaround' for having the filters track the oscillator cv? i know there is a kbd cv out but it only works for the range of the built in keyboard, if you use the octave switches it doesnt do anything.
is there no other way to acheive the effect of being able to 'play' the self oscillating filter across the keyboard somewhat accurately.
i always thought if one of the osc had audio and cv out you could do this plus fm sounds too. maybe its a mod?
Even in glorious 240p...
you're still a fucking Boss√
Thank you. I've had an MS20 for ages and it's always been a love hate affair for me. Without someone to explain the patch bay it can be a complete dog to figure out. I started off by trying to copy patches from the VSTI but it's pretty obvious that as well as sounding nothing like the real deal the softsynth has had a lot of enhancements added to it. Which is really misleading when you try to copy it's patching.
Cheers for the info.
Hi, Gene! Welcome to TH-cam. 1. Did you happen to glance at the date of upload for this video? 2. Do you have any idea what TH-cam's expectation was for uploads that year? 3. Try here: /watch?v=QOeVZSoUiNA It's probably too small for you too, but again: this was shot in 2008.
Thanks for visiting!
Ok Mr. Doty,
So what would you able to do with that "little box" if EVERYONE of the jacks on the front panel was routed one of the other jacks so that all 32 jacks were filled with a patch cord at one time?
Never seen a white one? I that a custom casing? Or is that the virtual version?
Hey man i enjoy ur review, especially the moog realistic :D, anyway is there a way to latch the ms20 mini sound n make it arpeggiatin while synch to drum machine? Thanks...
whats the hackbox attached to it? top right...
I shall be the proud owner of an ms20 mini in a matter of hours. (huge grin!)
How are you enjoying it?
It's the most playable monosynth I've ever owned. Love it. The wheel adds so much expression and the filters are pure unadulterated filth!
Hi. In not too long I will be buying either an MS20 Mini or an MS20 kit. Would you please recommend which one to buy? It would be a great help to me. Thank you in advance.
i was lyke i has synth affects but now u hav shown my flaw. i appraise much lol
merci beaucoup!
(apology in advance for stupid question) but i must ask, Do you have to use the modular side for the knobs to work?
Eg: Do i have to plug one thing into another, to use the knobs on the left to control cut off, filters, etc.!
@caseyDsutherland Glad I could help!
How do i fix my white/pink noise issue
is this "eurorack" type of patches? i mean... are they minijack? 1/4"? ... i suppose you can use the patchbay as modules to use in conjunction with a modular system... right? if so... i am goingo to ebay right now!
Ive just got me an ms-20 mini and your vids have been invaluable in helping me understand my first 'modular' synth. Thanks for all of them. I do have one question, have you tried the iPad version? Ive been comparing the sounds on both and often the ims sounds are much fuller and have more presence and attack. Would you agree?
Is that a custom case on the ms20? Is it screwed to the synth or does it just sit in it?
Any chance you could help me recreate the Soulwax "krack" patch? I have tried my very best to achieve this on my own but, i just cannot fathom how its actually made, PLEASE help a man in need!!!!
It was actually sloppily painted WITH HOUSE PAINT. But it's a cool idea. :)
Thank you!
nice 1!
@AutomaticGainsay Haha, THAT makes a bigger difference, I think.
also using them to learn patching on the ipad. thanks heaps :)
dood - you know your sh*t!!!! thanks for explaining this rather impenetrable patch bay to me!
@ThatVoiceAgain Aww, thank you! Tell the Queen. :)
Dude! Do you sleep with this machine! You know every inch of it! :)
@AutomaticGainsay: I vote for the latter. The size is rather unimportant. Voltage instabilities, quality of resistors amd stuff like that play a lot greater role. VacTrooper, your theory of "lost power" sounds not very plausible. Filter and oscillator design/waveform shape seem to be much more plausible factors for "grittiness", in addition to modulation possibilities.
The MS-20 has a pretty unique triangle waveform shape, for example, like a ring modulated sawtooth wave.
Thanks
great
NEW MINI MS20!!!
Marc, have you tried the new Korg MS20 mini? I would love to know your thoughts on it. I would love to buy one but only if it actually DOES sound like the original MS20.
Your videos are always entertaining, thanks for that ;-)
2:40 now i know how to do mr oizo kind vocals;)
veeery nice
This is great, and boasts some of the most hilariously brazen and obnoxious sounds I've ever heard. 6:45 - hell yeah!!
I prefer the pin grid on EMS' stuff.
Thanks God: TH-cam allows to set playback speed to 0.5.
This makes him sound really fucking drunk
lol exactly like a drunk guy explaining the ms20, nice
That is one complicated machine.
I guess anyone can 'muck around' with a synth, part of the appeal!
I think I have a theory as to why this thing sounds so gritty... Since they put SO much into such a little package, there is less resistance going through the whole thing, therefore it's LOUDER and GRITTIER, NASTIER... A legit theory? People say that's the reason why the TB-303 is different sounding than the x0xb0x, is becuase Roland made the 303 cheaply and crammed a lot into a small package, thusly creating that sound, whereas the x0xb0x is better made... Make sense, or am I crazy?
It is less complicated than it looks. I have the vsti version. :)
looks like a line mixer
k2 brought me here
Wow, turn the down the video quality, I can almost see the synth.
R watching a movie from 1940: "How about some color in here?"
7:10 that's what she said
who the hell disliked this?
Ha ha, thanks!
It's a pity you have to be as clever as Marc in order to use a synth!
5/5
Ok. You really know how to use this .. thing. It´s obviously a typical Korg design. UI is as bad as it can get. The only defence is: It´s from the 70ties. Why would anyone buy this as new now?
thats too damn much plugging and unplugging