Cynthia Nyamai, Dr. Wahome Ngare and David Kuria in this panel interview tackle the topic of LGBTQ. Can one be Christian and gay? What part has the media played in pushing this agenda?
Glad to see this issue being discussed in religious congregations. However a few details stuck out for me: 1. Studies have shown that psychosocial trauma in childhood doesn't contribute to one's sexual orientation. This we know because children raised in loving and caring families are just as likely to identify as gay or lesbian as are children from troubled backgrounds. (Source: Nelson Textbook of Paediatrics) 2. Intersex people don't have a disability. 3. If you're going to discuss matters pertaining to the LGBTQ+ community, let them be the ones telling their own story, not heterosexuals. It's their story to tell. As pope Francis says, the church needs to listen.
1. Not true, may not be the case for everyone, but childhood trauma does contribute to one's sexual orientation, as does adult trauma. 2. Agreed. 3. Absolutely, the lgbtqia should at least be involved in these kinds of discussions. I get that this discuss is about the church's policy, but it's only logical to listen to the people in a situation about their situation. I don't even know how I stumbled on this, this is a debate in a conservative African church, yes?
@@kush1775 "In instrumental variable models, history of sexual abuse predicted increased prevalence of same-sex attraction by 2.0 percentage points (95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.4, 2.5), any same-sex partners by 1.4 percentage points (95% CI = 1.0, 1.9), and same-sex identity by 0.7 percentage points (95% CI = 0.4, 0.9) (Roberts, Glymour & Koenen, 2014). The study by Sellami et al. (2020) on homosexual and heterosexual adults in Tunisia also identified that "The childhood trauma total score was 49.6 in the homosexual group and 35.0 in the heterosexual group, which is a statistically significant difference (p = 0.001)." We cannot ignore the role of trauma in one's sexual orientations.
My God!! This is exactly what we need to see in all media channels, online, everywhere. We are living in a time where lawlessness is the norm. The Church in Kenya needs to speak up like this amazing team! God bless you my brothers and sisters in Christ. Let’s continue to tell the truth in love to save this generation from God’s wrath
As a mom raising a son, I've learned a lot. I thought at my age I knew at least somewhat...but I actually don't. Quite enlightening discussion. Thank you to the panelists for having such a candid discussion.
I have been educated......the history of media...the great wisdom and teaching from a medical point of view from Dr. Wahome...wow!! Thank you guys for this 👏👏 I hope there's a PART 2
I have seen a childhood friend, come out as gay....one thing we observed since we were young boys who still didn't understand sexuality in full, he usually was comfortable with the company of young girls, most of his friends were female....he was comfortable playing more "female games", and mostly "behaved" like a girl......this was a small boy. This has overly disturbed my mind, we saw him behave "girly" since he was a young boy; 1. Was it by design or was he born that way? 2. If he was born that way, was/is there hormonal differences with the other straight young boys? 3. If by design, did he choose to behave that way when we still didn't know anything about sexuality?...In our society today and ever before, i see young girls behave "boyish" hence pick the name tomboy....does this relate someway to Gayism?...Scientist please help, religion will not explain this because religion is a way of living, it doesn't explain some things in the society!
You make a good point, whereas some people choose this path, there are others who are predisposed because of a hormonal imbalance. Also those with both genitals but looking one way...its complex..I will never judge
Ephesians 6:12 “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.” God love ALL humans, he loathes anti-humanity organizations (Romans 1:26-32) These organizations, such as Sodom, Nazi, CCP, drug cartels, human traffickers, organ harvesters, genocide performers, are the true meanings of “men committed shameful acts with other men.” Don’t take Romans 1:26-27 out of context and use it to attack gay people. It has nothing to do with gays. LGBTQ+ are humans. Churches attack them are anti-humanity organizations too. Don’t be fooled by Satan’s teachings and explanations. He wants to turn churches into anti-humanity organizations for sure. In Christianity, marriage is holy. It’s a spiritual covenant between two souls. It’s sad to see churches today define marriage as physically as a union between a male body and a female body adopted from unbelievers.
Thank you for sharing this video. David Kuria is right, the indoctrination is already in public schools in the US and as a parent, I always talk to my children about authentic sexuality. Thank you, Dr Kuria for educating us and providing clarity on this topic.
What a wonderful message coming to us at a time when Paul's message in Romans 1:24 is gradually taking root in our generation. Thank you to Nairobi Chapel and the panelists for talking openly, confidently, and with grace from the Lord about this topic. You have earned a new subscriber.
I don't see why it is called LGBTQ panel when there's no LBBTQ representative. 2.The fact that you are even talking about it.That's the advocacy we need from you.
This is not the only panel discussing the issue , the internet is full of such foryms , its not 1 fit for all . This is from the chirch. am sure you could constitute one and include all ... it would be a learning platform . meanwhile lets learn to pick the lessons and affirm efforts
This is great. Very insightful and mind opener. It's time we embrace such open talks in our churches if we have to save our generation from the enticement of the cunning serpent
the embelishment in the converstion to demean lgbtqi is fragrant! the information given is good and powerful but from one point of view...different voices ought to have been included. above all God is Good....
I have learnt so much in one hour watching this. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge. Thanks be to God. "Did God really say..... " - a narrative that is as old as the garden events where humans first meet SATAN in Genesis 3. If we don't really understand who SATAN is, then we will always succumb to His craftiness in every generation. SATAN is everyone's enemy. His very nature is against truth. John 8:44
IF you talk about a community you need to have on of them on the panel. It's not only from trauma that one is gay please get someone from the actual community..
@@becomingchannel9674 you also aren’t listening to learn, how can you learn from something that’s not authentic? Have someone from the community and actually LEARN about them not what someone says about them.That’s actually learning, not arguing.
Chapel watchers if you die today will you go to heaven? Have you ever lied, stolen, hated, used God's name as a curse word (O-M-G)? According to God's law, you're guilty, your headed for hell, ignorance will not be an excuse... But wait, God loves you, he made a way out for you, God's son Jesus died paying for your sin. God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will not die but have everlasting life. John 3:16 Love Y'all
Thank you for the informative talk. I appreciate your admiration for the supposedly outstanding performance of LGBTQ+ advocacy; however, please do consider race as a social construct and how this taints activism and media visibility, and how this relates to the accelerated breakthroughs that organizations, e.g., GLAAD, seem to enjoy.
@wairimu Eve... Makes the two of us... The fact that he had to spread misinformation calmly and eloquently is disturbing... It would make everyone that went through sexual traumas gay then...huh!
I have been there before ie I was molested by a high school teacher ie a Mathematics and a Chemistry teacher it was traumatic I know how it feels I could committed suicide by the grace of God I survived by Steve Irungu Jermaine
It's LGBTIQ. THERE IS AN "I". standing for Intersex. Currently over 4000 persons in Kenya are BORN Intersex. I don't know if you'd preach for or against them.
For intersex, the discussion was very clear that we need it in law and are already protected in law so as to facilitate change to the gender they identify with once it becomes prevalent esp in their puberty.
manze you have reminded me of the ridiculous last season of Designated Survivor. Btw, Kal Penn came out as gay the other day..... Detest anything from the cast nowadays for that betrayal of what was previously a wholesome show.
May the spirit of discernment rule here, if it doesn't Glorify God's Kingdom then it not worth your attention or love as my learned friend qoutes here..as a researcher , kindly research on the influence of jews on media and all this stuff, love should not be equated for tolerance..let truth stand tall no matter what. AS A BODY OF CHRIST , LETS NOT BE DECEIVED ITS RIGHT THING TO BE PART OF LGBTQ, WHY focus more on RIGHTS..as acclaimed by this movements while forgetting the issue of morals and consequences.
Cleverly labelled but still enforcing the usual stance churches have about those who are different. The host and speakers are very careful to tow the church line.
@@Goshenite. then you have to ignore your feelings...every feeling that doesn't align with the Bible. Its literally the whole point of religion. Watastruggle(Christian but gay) but in the end must confide with the Bible.
@@jaystone5036we have to control our actions / not because we feel to do something that make it right to do/ if we feel to steel r I'll treat our wife do not make it right
Brethren, let's go back to Bible. Our opinions, media perception, etc etc do not matter...only what our Father who art in heaven says and pleasing Him by keeping His commands. Remember.......1 Cor 3:19....For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.” Who are we to hold a debate, symposium, or forum to discuss God's requirements of us to be deemed Holy in his presence. Further to quote "men" and their philosophies, research, studies, or what have you. Deut 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you. Ecc 3:14 I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that people will fear him.
Praise YHWH, it is all about submitting to Him, die to desires, carry own cross and follow Him. Sensual, intellectualized chat based on people's precepts harm growth in Spirit. Careful these last days many will come with feel good to listen talks. Be very wary these last days.
Oh My God, this must be all over other medias, citizen tv, ntv all everything.... Our generation is completely finished, most of the youths from universities and college and now even highschool are completely gays.... without put this on table we wont make it, and it seems like the world is going to an end.
The host and speakers are very careful to tow the church line. It is simple INTOLERANCE wrapped up cleverly in so many words. God's word is steadfast - we know that, but this "panel" has gone OUT OF ITS WAY to dismiss an entire experience of people.
It would have been better to have them respond with strictly bible verses and not opinions/narratives. It is so so unfair to just blanket a group of people and say things like "they suffered some form of trauma and that's why they are the way they are" I don't understand LGBTQ people completely but I know how it feels for narratives to be created about me because I am different. It's something that has been done to black people for so many years " they are violent" "studies have shown that black people are lazy" these are statements that have been made from a point of ignorance. Anyway my point is just be sensitive, you cant possibly know how it feels to be LGBTQ unless you are one yourself. Stick to bible verse and avoid spreading unconfirmed narratives.
You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. You must love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus the anointed is Lord! Repent and be baptized and believe the Gospel.
You know...this will prompt many victims of sexual abuse in happy hetero marriages to come out and then the narrative will change again. Point is, if you are religious the Bible is clear, no homosexuality and dont throw stones. When churches discuss this, in the end they will conform to the Bible. This is more of human sense.
@@christineochuchi7448 The speaker put it that the gay couples have higher chances of divorce than heterosexual couples. If that's the case, heterosexuals have argued that their companion is God's design why is there divorce in heterosexuals? My point is you find the person you are compatible with yourself and gay people find it with people of same sex.
Where are heading to when church starts to talk about these issues. God's word is very explicit on this topic and lending audience to it is a disservice. Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10. The church is going rogue if such content get audience. Stand by God's word and admonish what is evil. You should talk on important matters such as how corruption is finishing the country, how youths can better their lives amid the high unemployment rate. FOCUS CHURCH. BE BOLD.
It may not be an issue to you,but this is actually happening so much nowadays and we need such people to help others heal and come out of such a life style...
Dr. I would to differ with u that some are inborn,some do it for money and also as u said childhood experiences.But for instance u can notice and inborn right at the early age a baby girl playing with boys,love to dress like a boy from loving football , everything is boyish n same to baby boy wearing shirt tops walks like a girl plays with dolls n dressing up the dolls,doing some catwalks everything girlish...no one can change that.n that when a parent realises something bis amiss.
@@Esther_N To be honest, It'd be more engaging if there was some form of representation from the LGBTQ community rather than just hearing from one perspective. Seeing it as an ISSUE to be part of the LGBTQ community sadness me.
@@jeccym8715 the lgbt created the word straight, heterosexual and cis and more. And you told the world we were and are a cancer to your lives. Take responsibility for the shit you created.
9:00 When he called "gay" a self-label, I laughed! Cleverly labelled but still enforcing the usual stance churches have about those who are different. The host and speakers are very careful to tow the church line.
You expected the church to curse and insult them? Do you know that even HIV positive people used to be judged by the church until the church realized that that was a wrong approach? Not even Jesus would do that. I'm sure you haven't watched the entire video. Please do.
Glad to see this issue being discussed in religious congregations. However a few details stuck out for me:
1. Studies have shown that psychosocial trauma in childhood doesn't contribute to one's sexual orientation. This we know because children raised in loving and caring families are just as likely to identify as gay or lesbian as are children from troubled backgrounds. (Source: Nelson Textbook of Paediatrics)
2. Intersex people don't have a disability.
3. If you're going to discuss matters pertaining to the LGBTQ+ community, let them be the ones telling their own story, not heterosexuals. It's their story to tell. As pope Francis says, the church needs to listen.
1. Not true, may not be the case for everyone, but childhood trauma does contribute to one's sexual orientation, as does adult trauma.
2. Agreed.
3. Absolutely, the lgbtqia should at least be involved in these kinds of discussions. I get that this discuss is about the church's policy, but it's only logical to listen to the people in a situation about their situation.
I don't even know how I stumbled on this, this is a debate in a conservative African church, yes?
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@@diamond852 Do you have a reference or source?
@@kush1775 "In instrumental variable models, history of sexual abuse predicted increased prevalence of same-sex attraction by 2.0 percentage points (95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.4, 2.5), any same-sex partners by 1.4 percentage points (95% CI = 1.0, 1.9), and same-sex identity by 0.7 percentage points (95% CI = 0.4, 0.9) (Roberts, Glymour & Koenen, 2014). The study by Sellami et al. (2020) on homosexual and heterosexual adults in Tunisia also identified that "The childhood trauma total score was 49.6 in the homosexual group and 35.0 in the heterosexual group, which is a statistically significant difference (p = 0.001)." We cannot ignore the role of trauma in one's sexual orientations.
Informative.
Is only me who realised that the one hour looked like 20 mins ? Very informative
You're not alone!
Myles Munroe once said, whoever owns the media owns the people.
I am Nigerian. This is wholesome. I wish many more churches had these kinds of discussions
I'm glad to be here. I have always wanted us to have this conversation in our show
God bless you...this is incredible. Am glad I landed here.. the discussion has be to the law and to the testimony. May the bible standards be lifted!
My God!! This is exactly what we need to see in all media channels, online, everywhere. We are living in a time where lawlessness is the norm. The Church in Kenya needs to speak up like this amazing team! God bless you my brothers and sisters in Christ. Let’s continue to tell the truth in love to save this generation from God’s wrath
Lol
Thank You God For this Sobering and Educating Session To God Be The Glory. Amazing that the Body of Christ.
As a mom raising a son, I've learned a lot. I thought at my age I knew at least somewhat...but I actually don't.
Quite enlightening discussion. Thank you to the panelists for having such a candid discussion.
I am waiting for part two
I have been educated......the history of media...the great wisdom and teaching from a medical point of view from Dr. Wahome...wow!! Thank you guys for this 👏👏 I hope there's a PART 2
Thank you for this.
Thank you for this conversation ive learnt alot
D. Kuria and Dr. Wahome great show.....thanks...
I have seen a childhood friend, come out as gay....one thing we observed since we were young boys who still didn't understand sexuality in full, he usually was comfortable with the company of young girls, most of his friends were female....he was comfortable playing more "female games", and mostly "behaved" like a girl......this was a small boy. This has overly disturbed my mind, we saw him behave "girly" since he was a young boy; 1. Was it by design or was he born that way? 2. If he was born that way, was/is there hormonal differences with the other straight young boys? 3. If by design, did he choose to behave that way when we still didn't know anything about sexuality?...In our society today and ever before, i see young girls behave "boyish" hence pick the name tomboy....does this relate someway to Gayism?...Scientist please help, religion will not explain this because religion is a way of living, it doesn't explain some things in the society!
You make a good point, whereas some people choose this path, there are others who are predisposed because of a hormonal imbalance. Also those with both genitals but looking one way...its complex..I will never judge
play the video once again, you will get the anwers you need
@@MrNoNonsenseYes there are no answers on this panel, just opinions
Ephesians 6:12 “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”
God love ALL humans, he loathes anti-humanity organizations (Romans 1:26-32) These organizations, such as Sodom, Nazi, CCP, drug cartels, human traffickers, organ harvesters, genocide performers, are the true meanings of “men committed shameful acts with other men.”
Don’t take Romans 1:26-27 out of context and use it to attack gay people. It has nothing to do with gays.
LGBTQ+ are humans. Churches attack them are anti-humanity organizations too. Don’t be fooled by Satan’s teachings and explanations. He wants to turn churches into anti-humanity organizations for sure.
In Christianity, marriage is holy. It’s a spiritual covenant between two souls. It’s sad to see churches today define marriage as physically as a union between a male body and a female body adopted from unbelievers.
Religion is man made it can't answer questions just stories based on myths of a foreign cultural laws once upon a time.
Thank you for sharing this video. David Kuria is right, the indoctrination is already in public schools in the US and as a parent, I always talk to my children about authentic sexuality. Thank you, Dr Kuria for educating us and providing clarity on this topic.
Such Godly wisdom and eloquence from this panel! God bless you for revealing His Truth.
What a wonderful message coming to us at a time when Paul's message in Romans 1:24 is gradually taking root in our generation. Thank you to Nairobi Chapel and the panelists for talking openly, confidently, and with grace from the Lord about this topic. You have earned a new subscriber.
Very resourceful facilitators. It is indeed quite true that people perish for lack of knowledge
Listening to this is so heartbreaking. May God give healing to the wounded. So sorry..
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I don't see why it is called LGBTQ panel when there's no LBBTQ representative.
2.The fact that you are even talking about it.That's the advocacy we need from you.
EXACTLY!! Like white people talking about a black experience they don't understand.
This is not the only panel discussing the issue , the internet is full of such foryms , its not 1 fit for all . This is from the chirch. am sure you could constitute one and include all ... it would be a learning platform . meanwhile lets learn to pick the lessons and affirm efforts
Maybe there want one who came up. Were they to wait until they found one, maybe next time they will be one.
What a fountain of wisdom 🥰🤗...Iam indeed Blessed.@ David kuria ( Cousin) nice to see you.God bless you all.
WOW!!!Very informative
This is great. Very insightful and mind opener. It's time we embrace such open talks in our churches if we have to save our generation from the enticement of the cunning serpent
Good work GLAAD !
I am learning a lot. A good appraach to tough issues. Understanding is key.
I'm so happy the church is discussing such topics...it's important to demystify sexual issues.. ignorance is expensive..
Healed people heal others.....
Very informative
the embelishment in the converstion to demean lgbtqi is fragrant! the information given is good and powerful but from one point of view...different voices ought to have been included. above all God is Good....
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I have learnt so much in one hour watching this. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge. Thanks be to God.
"Did God really say..... " - a narrative that is as old as the garden events where humans first meet SATAN in Genesis 3. If we don't really understand who SATAN is, then we will always succumb to His craftiness in every generation. SATAN is everyone's enemy. His very nature is against truth. John 8:44
Moral of the story …….thank you GLAAD. Keep up your good work🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 You have made the world kinder for the LGBTQI+
How do you hold a talk about LGBTQ without anyone from the community to voice their thoughts on the matter
Wish Mr Kuria will be given like one-hour forum to teach us. It is sad he was cut short but we understand.
A whole syllabus ... wow , 🙌🙌🙌🙌
One of the most insightful LGBTQ & I conversation I have ever listened to
Me too ... wow
Interesting presentation but what about the people who have not suffered sexual abuse and are not straight
That's what am looking for too. I didn't have bad opposite gender representatives so I wonder
IF you talk about a community you need to have on of them on the panel. It's not only from trauma that one is gay please get someone from the actual community..
Agreed
It depends... If you are listening to learn, the panel is enough... But if you're listening to argue then your point is valid.
I agree, I wish someone from the community spoke
@@becomingchannel9674 you also aren’t listening to learn, how can you learn from something that’s not authentic? Have someone from the community and actually LEARN about them not what someone says about them.That’s actually learning, not arguing.
@@itskionii5793 Please say it LOUDER for the congregants seated on the back pews.
And contrary to you spiritual daddies. We are actually born this way and all that matters is us stepping into our power and living our lives boldly.
Good to see a church handling this sensitive issue!
True namesake
woow"healed people,heal others"
Interesting conversation.
Wow!
Chapel watchers if you die today will you go to heaven? Have you ever lied, stolen, hated, used God's name as a curse word (O-M-G)? According to God's law, you're guilty, your headed for hell, ignorance will not be an excuse... But wait, God loves you, he made a way out for you, God's son Jesus died paying for your sin. God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will not die but have everlasting life. John 3:16 Love Y'all
Everyonr goes to thr grave when they die ...Ecc 9:5,6,10
You sound like you know and follow Ray Comfort, I love his version of spreading the Gospel.
@@bethmainagakunga4017 but you wouldn't live in the grave forever. One day you will be judged and you will go where you chose
Thank you for the informative talk. I appreciate your admiration for the supposedly outstanding performance of LGBTQ+ advocacy; however, please do consider race as a social construct and how this taints activism and media visibility, and how this relates to the accelerated breakthroughs that organizations, e.g., GLAAD, seem to enjoy.
All I hear 'transphobia,transphobia,homophobia, homophobia'
Please define the word Phobia... No one has phobia we just don't condone the behaviour.
@wairimu Eve...
Makes the two of us...
The fact that he had to spread misinformation calmly and eloquently is disturbing...
It would make everyone that went through sexual traumas gay then...huh!
Lol the Bible itself doesn't allow gayism, what do you expect from a church discussion
The amount of misinformation being spread in that video is scary.
I am very concerned with content targeting children on media these days,
I have been there before ie I was molested by a high school teacher ie a Mathematics and a Chemistry teacher it was traumatic I know how it feels I could committed suicide by the grace of God I survived by Steve Irungu Jermaine
Awesome
Why do people refer to their thoughts as conversation between them and God...
Haha, you're right it's very weird indeed
It is the fashion with Pentecostal church
Lol. Best comment in this whole comments section
@@trudyb4841 true😅😅😅
It's LGBTIQ. THERE IS AN "I". standing for Intersex. Currently over 4000 persons in Kenya are BORN Intersex. I don't know if you'd preach for or against them.
Where is this data? Or your source?
@@matts6894 KNBS obviously
You sound like one
@@sarahsain2708 how do intersex people sound? educate me
For intersex, the discussion was very clear that we need it in law and are already protected in law so as to facilitate change to the gender they identify with once it becomes prevalent esp in their puberty.
manze you have reminded me of the ridiculous last season of Designated Survivor. Btw, Kal Penn came out as gay the other day..... Detest anything from the cast nowadays for that betrayal of what was previously a wholesome show.
May the spirit of discernment rule here, if it doesn't Glorify God's Kingdom then it not worth your attention or love as my learned friend qoutes here..as a researcher , kindly research on the influence of jews on media and all this stuff, love should not be equated for tolerance..let truth stand tall no matter what. AS A BODY OF CHRIST , LETS NOT BE DECEIVED ITS RIGHT THING TO BE PART OF LGBTQ, WHY focus more on RIGHTS..as acclaimed by this movements while forgetting the issue of morals and consequences.
The world Comforting and consoling the world!!!,, _ "until you know things of the Spirit,--- in this Realm you may seem correct but"..... Neigh""""
I didn’t watch the whole vid. It’s too long. Can someone tell me if this is pro or anti LGBT?
anti
Completely anti filled with propaganda
Cleverly labelled but still enforcing the usual stance churches have about those who are different. The host and speakers are very careful to tow the church line.
Lazy ...🙆♀️🙆♀️🙆♀️ unfortunately your opinon is required ❤
@@Francis-Kanja ‘different’ is an understatement. The LGBTQYA3+ keeps dividing humanity into two species.
watu wa kanisa should leave the LGBTQ alone
But they are Christians too.They come to church and love God genuinely. So just talk for yourself not others
True, Sexual orientation and gender identity has nothing to do with gods and demons moshene
@@Goshenite. the bible says those who love God are those who follow His commands
@@Goshenite. then you have to ignore your feelings...every feeling that doesn't align with the Bible. Its literally the whole point of religion. Watastruggle(Christian but gay) but in the end must confide with the Bible.
@@jaystone5036we have to control our actions / not because we feel to do something that make it right to do/ if we feel to steel r I'll treat our wife do not make it right
This God telling people things has never told me anything.
I know right 😊😁
Yes me too.i have tried talking to him about my financial situation lakini wapi? hanijibu?
God talks in various ways.
God talks to you only if you have a genuine relationship with Him
@@newtonmutea 😒😏whatever that means
I run to the comment section and soon realised it's not worth Watching!!
Very wise
Brethren, let's go back to Bible. Our opinions, media perception, etc etc do not matter...only what our Father who art in heaven says and pleasing Him by keeping His commands.
Remember.......1 Cor 3:19....For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.”
Who are we to hold a debate, symposium, or forum to discuss God's requirements of us to be deemed Holy in his presence. Further to quote "men" and their philosophies, research, studies, or what have you.
Deut 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.
Ecc 3:14 I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that people will fear him.
Praise YHWH, it is all about submitting to Him, die to desires, carry own cross and follow Him.
Sensual, intellectualized chat based on people's precepts harm growth in Spirit. Careful these last days many will come with feel good to listen talks. Be very wary these last days.
Oh My God, this must be all over other medias, citizen tv, ntv all everything.... Our generation is completely finished, most of the youths from universities and college and now even highschool are completely gays.... without put this on table we wont make it, and it seems like the world is going to an end.
Dear Lord Jesus Christ help me to make the right decisions in life so help me God in Jesus name Amen 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 by Steve Irungu Jermaine
Predictive programming=Media
This is hate. Is anybody preaching about the rampant corruption in this country? The church should keep itself to its lane.
The church is right on it's lane bro
The host and speakers are very careful to tow the church line. It is simple INTOLERANCE wrapped up cleverly in so many words. God's word is steadfast - we know that, but this "panel" has gone OUT OF ITS WAY to dismiss an entire experience of people.
Also hollering at GLAAD because heeeeeeeey. 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈😘😘😘😘😘
It would have been better to have them respond with strictly bible verses and not opinions/narratives. It is so so unfair to just blanket a group of people and say things like "they suffered some form of trauma and that's why they are the way they are" I don't understand LGBTQ people completely but I know how it feels for narratives to be created about me because I am different. It's something that has been done to black people for so many years " they are violent" "studies have shown that black people are lazy" these are statements that have been made from a point of ignorance. Anyway my point is just be sensitive, you cant possibly know how it feels to be LGBTQ unless you are one yourself. Stick to bible verse and avoid spreading unconfirmed narratives.
Shut up
@Alvin Ochola what are you talking about ?
You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. You must love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus the anointed is Lord! Repent and be baptized and believe the Gospel.
You know...this will prompt many victims of sexual abuse in happy hetero marriages to come out and then the narrative will change again.
Point is, if you are religious the Bible is clear, no homosexuality and dont throw stones. When churches discuss this, in the end they will conform to the Bible. This is more of human sense.
If man and woman is God design and chooses partners. Why is there divorce among heterosexuals.
Divorce has no relation with sexual orietation , don't the gay divorce ?
@@christineochuchi7448 The speaker put it that the gay couples have higher chances of divorce than heterosexual couples. If that's the case, heterosexuals have argued that their companion is God's design why is there divorce in heterosexuals? My point is you find the person you are compatible with yourself and gay people find it with people of same sex.
Brokeback Mountain is a ridiculously good movie.
The irony is that the nairobi chapel logo is a nonbinary pride flag 😂💀💀
Where are heading to when church starts to talk about these issues. God's word is very explicit on this topic and lending audience to it is a disservice. Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10. The church is going rogue if such content get audience. Stand by God's word and admonish what is evil.
You should talk on important matters such as how corruption is finishing the country, how youths can better their lives amid the high unemployment rate. FOCUS CHURCH. BE BOLD.
It may not be an issue to you,but this is actually happening so much nowadays and we need such people to help others heal and come out of such a life style...
Dr. I would to differ with u that some are inborn,some do it for money and also as u said childhood experiences.But for instance u can notice and inborn right at the early age a baby girl playing with boys,love to dress like a boy from loving football , everything is boyish n same to baby boy wearing shirt tops walks like a girl plays with dolls n dressing up the dolls,doing some catwalks everything girlish...no one can change that.n that when a parent realises something bis amiss.
There are masculine girls and feminine boys...doesn't mean they are gay
God can change anyone..
@@joykamiza2593 He's all powerful so I agree but it won't be that easy like it'll need more effort sacrifice endurance etc
@@joykamiza2593 Does that mean that He made a mistake creating those children as they are and now they need changing?
I beg to differ.
We must have your kind.... For a fallen society to be complete..
the empty headed difference
@@becomingchannel9674 Lol
what specifically do you differ with?
I watched the entire video but I respectfully don't agree with this.
Personally, I am bit disappointed.
just curious, what don't you agree with? and what has sparked disappointment?
@@Esther_N To be honest, It'd be more engaging if there was some form of representation from the LGBTQ community rather than just hearing from one perspective. Seeing it as an ISSUE to be part of the LGBTQ community sadness me.
@@david2011yes I just started watching but I won't continue, thanks for saving my time💕
@@jeccym8715 the lgbt created the word straight, heterosexual and cis and more. And you told the world we were and are a cancer to your lives. Take responsibility for the shit you created.
9:00 When he called "gay" a self-label, I laughed! Cleverly labelled but still enforcing the usual stance churches have about those who are different. The host and speakers are very careful to tow the church line.
Repent Jesus is coming soon
How do you have these conversation without the LGBTQ community representatives speaking for themselves. This is patronising
So in a panel about terrorism, al shabab and isis should be represented to give their side of the story? That is a church not the court of law
@@kod4130 Listen to your homophobic self yet you are God's people. How do you even compare the two? Do you know a gay person who has killed anyone?
@@njokiwamaiphd2468 the LGBT movement is taking away the rights of their critics in the developed world.
Can't go beyond 5 min mark and bigotry is glaring. Please not everyone have your god lens.
Wow such apologetic attitude towards homosexuality. This is not a church of God.
You expected the church to curse and insult them? Do you know that even HIV positive people used to be judged by the church until the church realized that that was a wrong approach? Not even Jesus would do that.
I'm sure you haven't watched the entire video. Please do.