They should of kept the framer buff..... and they need to get rid of forger. Forger is one of the most boring or useless roles if it gets paired up with janitor or a Second forger....
Caps and exclamation points in wills are so if you die, it grabs the players’ attention. A lot of ppl miss what is said in wills and forget to check, so that’s why i do it.
I like how you slowed down on the 3, 2, 1 thing. Really bugged me when you did it too fast that the system saw it as spam and before the jailed player could even panic from it.
I still think he does it too fast. Especially if I'm not expecting to be jailed (because it's a 1/9 to 1/14 chance for the most part) , Im thinking Im going to be able to perform my nightly action. It takes a hot second to realize that "oh, I cant do anything? Oh, I'm in jail!" and at that point he's already typed out '2'. Yea, I'm going to claim slowly because I wasn't expecting to be in jail!
@@OneFloofyBooper I always look at chat before anything else to see of I got jailed, with a lot of jailors I put my claim out there before they even ask for a role, also the noises from the chat log should clue you in that you should probably look over there
I find it interesting to see people scumreading through the game with Skimm, and taking things in their own ways (such as finding mistakes in the evil fake claims and whatnot) I’m slowly learning how to do this, playing in both classic and ranked PRACTICE but it’s cool to see you guys all picking up on things!
Delphine didn't do what she told jailor nor what KIDD asked all TI's to do D2 by posting will's every day. Delphine didn't check easy to fake mafia spy claims. "You jailed me twice, how would I be useful?" Cmon... really? You don't need to be a sheep and follow what town says 100% (because ToS is a social deduction game) but doing your own thing and not following through on your own word just hurts everyone else and you. I believe Delphine just checked who she wanted to check which lead to useless information which leads to skimm jailing her twice. One day with useless information and one day with nothing but an insult? It's not surprising other townies also assumed Delphine wasn't a sheriff (5:42 - smithers (accusation of evil) | 8:42 - KIDD (agrees with skimm's suspicion of Delphine)).
Glad you exed that vig claim. I figured the Med claim was evil (saying something other than one's role first thing to the Jailor is insta-sus), but with no other TS at that point, exeing would have been risky.
I did! The thing is I was in a game where there isn’t Vet as a role option and I was so much in Skimm mode that when someone asked for TP, i put in my will that I hoped it wasn’t vetbait. Whooooops.
as an evil i always live to the end of the game you know why? 1. im quick to claim 2.i start writing a will the moment the game starts 3. I engage the town in their conversation in deduction (usually to throw in doubt or to make them more susp of an innno boy) the moment the game starts i Write down 3 different claims i can use If i am godFather for instance ill write it down like this BG (this is last resort claim if i am invested NEVER USE THE OBVIOUS CLAIM UNLESS YOU KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN INVESTED ) Doc Sheriff (if you have a Consig or janitor then use Their results and claim investigator instead which will carry more clout) i will write a will actively for each one each night when jailed ill pick one and roll with it for the rest of the game being evil isnt that hard. just dont make these mistakes 1.never be slow to claim to the jailor if jailor is aggressive dont tell him to "calm down jeez" if talk to the jailor like you are flustered its an obvious scum read and you will get exed 100% of the time HOWEVER if you are 100% business with the jailor then you will likely avoid his axe 2.dont be overly defensive when accused stay calm and always have something to say that throws doubt out there for instance if you are godfather and its an arsonist game adn you are investigated you can roll with yoru doctor or sheriff claim just throw it out that "im doused" if you are SK or random mafia and sheriff calls you susp always come out with "Im framed then spy come out and confirm" you have to strive to make yourself sound as towny as possible, 3.NEVER CLAIM THE OBVIOUS CLAIM UNLESS YOU KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY INVESTIGATED BY AN INVESTIGATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you are consort and there is a spy DO NOT CLAIM ESCORT AS SPY WILL CALL YOU OUT ON YOUR BS If you are janitor THEN DO NOT CLAIM MEDIUM OR RETRI!!! (although claming retri might save you from being lynched for a day and waste a day for town making them wait 2 days to lynch you instead of lynching you when they should have (and wasting 3 nights for the jailor if he jails you and tells you to revive) but you can only do this when there is no confirmed retri )
I've been watching your videos ever since I've discovered this game. They are very entertaining and I love this game even more each day ! So I just had to post two little story that happened to me not long ago. I was playing as an Lookout and had an eye on a guy that claimed TP from the very start. I've never seen FOUR people visiting ONE target. Thankfully, my target was healed and I started to type in chat the discovery I made. I post my will and see that another LO visited my target as well and confirmed it. But I noticed that instead of posting my will, I get a message that I was BM. Fine, I can still confirm the claims of the other LO in the next round. But then they started to investigate all those people listed in LO will. I'm praying not to get picked, but no such luck. Guilty. So I quickly wrote down the information on my will and confirming second LO. While typing I get a whisper from the BM apologizing for blackmailing me. I added it to my will and couldn't stop laughing. Needless to say, Mafia lost that round. That person had a big heart ! Another time I was playing Vet and the town managed to work together. I had some people who I trusted so I claimed vet, told Mafia good luck and loaded my gun. I shot two Mafia members and defended a WW attack (I believe it was WW). One Mafia Member left early game and all we had to do, is to find WW and other MF. Fun :D I really love this game !
Oh yeah I also get gamethrowers. Such as a maf when we had majority he threw and voted a maf up. Then he didn't kill. His response was gamethrowing is the way to win.
TwoPercentSkimm, just one thing that you have to fix with your Jailor meta is that answering on the number "2" is not late. that just means that they aren't the fastest typer or they aren't paying attention to chat in the night time or that they are trying to put in RT into their will.
Skimm, I found two vet baits you can use 1. be quiet at night 1 - mafia might think you are mayor or jailor, and mostly people will try to get the quiet ones 2. claim medium right before night 1 - kinda hard to explain, but maf will think you're actually medium and will try to kill you N1 (Also, shadow claimed medium night 1 and died straight away)
Don't be quiet on Day 1.. That's how TI and TP get killed when visiting you. Yes, Mafia does tend to visit people who do not speak day 1 because people who do are potentially vet baiting, but so does town. Claiming medium is a bad idea because since some medium claims die day 1 people will be on them, and TP can die.
Arso ignoring TP and dousing without consequences is the point. Arso needed that buff. If BG prevents dousing without killing Arso it still makes it complicated for Arso.
- Is Godfather in All Any - Mafioso, GF, Consig, Janitor - Whispers to random townies to look townie (as well as communicate with witch) - Makes deductions about spy wills - Mafioso reports me for gamethrowing coz I whispered with non-mafias - Left game and put me as GF in will. mfw
Sjon Hoedoorn is a Dutch name. Sjon is pronounced as sssjohn, at least thats the closest I can make it for people who dont speak the weird language that is Dutch.
Just practice and know how to play. If you have any questions or want to know some strategies on a particular role, lemme know. Strategies just depend on what kind of situation you're in.
I still favour this Jailor tactic nevertheless, it's the best strat for Jailor anyway. I also wonder how the Medium claim lives to tell the story :thinking:
Lol I tried this tactic and the townies killed me because I 'wasn't being chill'. Anyway, have you ever been in the position where you are mafia, and you are the only one left? That happened to me, everyone knew that I was the mafia, and somehow I managed to get the win. Spambots suck
Random Person I don't know what ELO you are in, but this tactic is very useful and they probably hung you because they didn't know better. Yes, once I was GF and all my mafia left before the game started. A good tactic, if this happens, is to not kill when jailor is still alive. Then, you can accuse whoever was jailed as the GF. And if YOU are jailed, you just say that GF is messing with town and not killing (instead of saying you were attacked in jail).
I hate the 321 thing you do. You do it fine, but other idiots who copy you type 3-2-1 in a matter of 1 second and slam the execute button instantly. Really, REALLY annoying.
Hey, if you guys ever see Kam213 enter game room a in which you are just leave! He will ruin your match! Got in 3 matches with him and every match he was afk bc he was watching youtube.
I like your style and attitude at all, but that "role 3 2 1" style is rude af i hate it. Ik its important to get fast claims, but u dont need to do that its annyoing and irritating as fuck.
Don't really care if it's annoying, it's a fantastic way to have evils make mistakes. Never really seem to have town get upset at me for it, only the evils since they are forced to claim right away.
New sheriff nerf doesn't announce whether people is mafia, coven, serial killer, or werewolf any longer.
It just says: " Your target is Suspicious"
Brilliant move! It's not like sheriff is one of the most weak roles and probably the weakest TI!
It's supposed to be a slight buff to SK and WW, giving them the ability to claim framed. Although that's still vacated by any spies or dead RM
They should of kept the framer buff..... and they need to get rid of forger. Forger is one of the most boring or useless roles if it gets paired up with janitor or a Second forger....
Alexander Gonzalez I’ve gotten some crazy kills with forger a you need is a consig and boom ez forges
@@jacobkonze9631 you're right but it's all rng so you never know.
Game:
You must wait a day before executing
*37 seconds later*
You did not perform your night ability
Me: Excuse me what the -hell-
Excuse me what the dagnabbit
Flummery!
Caps and exclamation points in wills are so if you die, it grabs the players’ attention. A lot of ppl miss what is said in wills and forget to check, so that’s why i do it.
I like how you slowed down on the 3, 2, 1 thing. Really bugged me when you did it too fast that the system saw it as spam and before the jailed player could even panic from it.
I still think he does it too fast. Especially if I'm not expecting to be jailed (because it's a 1/9 to 1/14 chance for the most part) , Im thinking Im going to be able to perform my nightly action. It takes a hot second to realize that "oh, I cant do anything? Oh, I'm in jail!" and at that point he's already typed out '2'. Yea, I'm going to claim slowly because I wasn't expecting to be in jail!
@@OneFloofyBooper I always look at chat before anything else to see of I got jailed, with a lot of jailors I put my claim out there before they even ask for a role, also the noises from the chat log should clue you in that you should probably look over there
Well that problem doesn't exist anymore with the giant bars that go on your screen lol
I find it interesting to see people scumreading through the game with Skimm, and taking things in their own ways (such as finding mistakes in the evil fake claims and whatnot)
I’m slowly learning how to do this, playing in both classic and ranked PRACTICE but it’s cool to see you guys all picking up on things!
Delphine didn't do what she told jailor nor what KIDD asked all TI's to do D2 by posting will's every day. Delphine didn't check easy to fake mafia spy claims. "You jailed me twice, how would I be useful?" Cmon... really? You don't need to be a sheep and follow what town says 100% (because ToS is a social deduction game) but doing your own thing and not following through on your own word just hurts everyone else and you. I believe Delphine just checked who she wanted to check which lead to useless information which leads to skimm jailing her twice. One day with useless information and one day with nothing but an insult? It's not surprising other townies also assumed Delphine wasn't a sheriff (5:42 - smithers (accusation of evil) | 8:42 - KIDD (agrees with skimm's suspicion of Delphine)).
ImJustJoshin honestly delphine couldve been so much useful to the town , or just more towbie in general, if she just listened to skimm and me(kidd)
Mayor and ret? mafia and nk might as well just not play at all.
SXH one game i was mafia and town had 4 confirmed ts 1 mayor 1 ret and 2 trans, 2 lo and 2 tp and we still won with 4 mafia still alive lol
@koam Wow, impressive.
Glad you exed that vig claim. I figured the Med claim was evil (saying something other than one's role first thing to the Jailor is insta-sus), but with no other TS at that point, exeing would have been risky.
Who else plays a few games of ToS after Skimm's videos?
Aleksi Karppinen all the time
not me ;]
@@brian-us6vw I do it before skimms video. They tend to be something I watch when i dont comfortably have enough time to start a new game myself.
I did! The thing is I was in a game where there isn’t Vet as a role option and I was so much in Skimm mode that when someone asked for TP, i put in my will that I hoped it wasn’t vetbait. Whooooops.
@@sophiad548 ??? so youre saying tk wasnt a thing in that game??
8:08 *Skim mistypes*
"Skim... Skim, no... No, wait!" Literally got so nervous for you, but it worked out anyway. lol
as an evil i always live to the end of the game you know why?
1. im quick to claim
2.i start writing a will the moment the game starts
3. I engage the town in their conversation in deduction (usually to throw in doubt or to make them more susp of an innno boy)
the moment the game starts i Write down 3 different claims i can use
If i am godFather for instance ill write it down like this
BG (this is last resort claim if i am invested NEVER USE THE OBVIOUS CLAIM UNLESS YOU KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN INVESTED )
Doc
Sheriff (if you have a Consig or janitor then use Their results and claim investigator instead which will carry more clout)
i will write a will actively for each one each night
when jailed ill pick one and roll with it for the rest of the game
being evil isnt that hard. just dont make these mistakes
1.never be slow to claim to the jailor if jailor is aggressive dont tell him to "calm down jeez" if talk to the jailor like you are flustered its an obvious scum read and you will get exed 100% of the time HOWEVER if you are 100% business with the jailor then you will likely avoid his axe
2.dont be overly defensive when accused stay calm and always have something to say that throws doubt out there
for instance if you are godfather and its an arsonist game adn you are investigated you can roll with yoru doctor or sheriff claim just throw it out that "im doused" if you are SK or random mafia and sheriff calls you susp always come out with "Im framed then spy come out and confirm" you have to strive to make yourself sound as towny as possible,
3.NEVER CLAIM THE OBVIOUS CLAIM UNLESS YOU KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY INVESTIGATED BY AN INVESTIGATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you are consort and there is a spy DO NOT CLAIM ESCORT AS SPY WILL CALL YOU OUT ON YOUR BS If you are janitor THEN DO NOT CLAIM MEDIUM OR RETRI!!! (although claming retri might save you from being lynched for a day and waste a day for town making them wait 2 days to lynch you instead of lynching you when they should have (and wasting 3 nights for the jailor if he jails you and tells you to revive) but you can only do this when there is no confirmed retri )
I've been watching your videos ever since I've discovered this game. They are very entertaining and I love this game even more each day !
So I just had to post two little story that happened to me not long ago.
I was playing as an Lookout and had an eye on a guy that claimed TP from the very start.
I've never seen FOUR people visiting ONE target. Thankfully, my target was healed and I started to type in chat the discovery I made. I post my will and see that another LO visited my target as well and confirmed it. But I noticed that instead of posting my will, I get a message that I was BM. Fine, I can still confirm the claims of the other LO in the next round.
But then they started to investigate all those people listed in LO will. I'm praying not to get picked, but no such luck. Guilty. So I quickly wrote down the information on my will and confirming second LO. While typing I get a whisper from the BM apologizing for blackmailing me. I added it to my will and couldn't stop laughing. Needless to say, Mafia lost that round.
That person had a big heart !
Another time I was playing Vet and the town managed to work together. I had some people who I trusted so I claimed vet, told Mafia good luck and loaded my gun. I shot two Mafia members and defended a WW attack (I believe it was WW). One Mafia Member left early game and all we had to do, is to find WW and other MF.
Fun :D I really love this game !
Lol that bm is unbelievably stupid
What games do you get in. I normaly play with morons such as people who dont claim on stand or I get super unlucky and my maf gets found out by d2.
Oh yeah I also get gamethrowers. Such as a maf when we had majority he threw and voted a maf up. Then he didn't kill. His response was gamethrowing is the way to win.
'Delphine'
That sounds familar...
Wait a second.
BELLE.
TwoPercentSkimm, just one thing that you have to fix with your Jailor meta is that answering on the number "2" is not late. that just means that they aren't the fastest typer or they aren't paying attention to chat in the night time or that they are trying to put in RT into their will.
8:13 It was at this moment thats Skimm knew he fudged up.
dont mind me, i watch your videos when im crying & i use ur tactics thank y o u
Shadow brotherhood, I feel you bro don't worry.
Skimm, I found two vet baits you can use
1. be quiet at night 1 - mafia might think you are mayor or jailor, and mostly people will try to get the quiet ones
2. claim medium right before night 1 - kinda hard to explain, but maf will think you're actually medium and will try to kill you N1 (Also, shadow claimed medium night 1 and died straight away)
Don't be quiet on Day 1.. That's how TI and TP get killed when visiting you. Yes, Mafia does tend to visit people who do not speak day 1 because people who do are potentially vet baiting, but so does town.
Claiming medium is a bad idea because since some medium claims die day 1 people will be on them, and TP can die.
@@artloverrarts Oh, that's true. Didn't think that far.
Dude just whisper a lot day 2, mafia hate whispers more than town
As medium, you still have dead chat in jail. Would have exed that right away...
i do that as town. I put commentary in my will sometimes that only really gets seen if I die that night/day.
Dead chat is almost never silent in ranked, if a medium can’t copy paste something believable then I execute every time.
That strat 20 years ago still works????
I was in that game, just excited to play with you.
Who were you?
@@Randoperson63 Chuck
what's the tactic
People in classic do something as sheriff results like: MAFIA!!! Anyone else won’t
You’re better than calling someone “useless.”
Good game and good exe on the mafioso.
Bodyguard should still prevent dousing even if it doesn't kill arso, because otherwise Arso just ignores TP.
Arso ignoring TP and dousing without consequences is the point. Arso needed that buff. If BG prevents dousing without killing Arso it still makes it complicated for Arso.
- Is Godfather in All Any
- Mafioso, GF, Consig, Janitor
- Whispers to random townies to look townie (as well as communicate with witch)
- Makes deductions about spy wills
- Mafioso reports me for gamethrowing coz I whispered with non-mafias
- Left game and put me as GF in will.
mfw
I put extra info as town if like I’m vet I put the names of my kills
That's a waste of space & time, you should keep track of all the claims and who didn't vote up mafia, etc.
artloverr it helps me keep track of roles and claim space as well as confirming me further by saying what I have done
artloverr for example I put
N1-alert(nv)
N2-alert(shot framer-John)
"like: WHOA! ITS MAFIA!" LOL
Sjon Hoedoorn is a Dutch name. Sjon is pronounced as sssjohn, at least thats the closest I can make it for people who dont speak the weird language that is Dutch.
So Skimm at 1500 Elo gets 200IQ townies and Shadow at 2000 Elo gets mongoloids
Nice game skimm peace bro
I was pirate for my first time the other day, N1 i killed a Mafia, N2 i killed a vet on alert
gg
If skimms the jailor, you're practically fucked
U jailed the Med in Night 2, so he can't talk on N1 and N2 (cause of Jail)
8:15 thats when he know. he made a mistake, and people make mistakes :)
Lol I watched your videos last night and tried to play a game after. Was so tired I tried to make fake will and ended up mixing up lo and invest
for the first time deodat is good
i rly thought this was a werewolf game because of my last tos video lmfaoaoaoa.
How do you get so good
Just practice and know how to play. If you have any questions or want to know some strategies on a particular role, lemme know. Strategies just depend on what kind of situation you're in.
I still favour this Jailor tactic nevertheless, it's the best strat for Jailor anyway. I also wonder how the Medium claim lives to tell the story :thinking:
I’ve been getting my fair share of useless TIs in my games lately. Ugh.
Lol I tried this tactic and the townies killed me because I 'wasn't being chill'. Anyway, have you ever been in the position where you are mafia, and you are the only one left? That happened to me, everyone knew that I was the mafia, and somehow I managed to get the win. Spambots suck
Random Person I don't know what ELO you are in, but this tactic is very useful and they probably hung you because they didn't know better.
Yes, once I was GF and all my mafia left before the game started. A good tactic, if this happens, is to not kill when jailor is still alive. Then, you can accuse whoever was jailed as the GF. And if YOU are jailed, you just say that GF is messing with town and not killing (instead of saying you were attacked in jail).
@@artloverrarts Lol. I just play All any chaos, which is kind of annoying because it is literal chaos XD
10:14 > 10:28 sokwksmekeeie
Yo two, Ctrl+a to select all text
man i wish i was as good as you
Nice tactic mind if i steal it?
Toxic Kid it is a well known and widely used tactic in ranked.
@@artloverrarts i dont get jailor often i dont know any tactics
"/e" made me... sad...
I hate the 321 thing you do. You do it fine, but other idiots who copy you type 3-2-1 in a matter of 1 second and slam the execute button instantly. Really, REALLY annoying.
i just had the quickest game,i killed consig while SK killed mafiso,we hanged consig,next night i shot GF,and jailor exe SK,thats quick
Killed consig then hanged him? Shot gf?
@chaoticwarps 2 consigs,i was vet and alerted when GF attacked me
Hey, if you guys ever see Kam213 enter game room a in which you are just leave! He will ruin your match! Got in 3 matches with him and every match he was afk bc he was watching youtube.
Many people go afk and break the rules. ToS is truly a sad environment these days.
Sup boiii
I like your style and attitude at all, but that "role 3 2 1" style is rude af i hate it. Ik its important to get fast claims, but u dont need to do that its annyoing and irritating as fuck.
Don't really care if it's annoying, it's a fantastic way to have evils make mistakes. Never really seem to have town get upset at me for it, only the evils since they are forced to claim right away.
Early :3
Also, 5th comment.