My diesel gladiator is unbelievably capable off road with just a simple, albeit somewhat costly, bolt in 4” suspension and 40s. What I wanted to see more of with this is the actual ground clearance impact and the torque ratings of the axle tubs, shafts and the front ujoint assembly and also hear how many batteries were fitted underneath.
Do they have any plans do so things like conversions of ICE passenger vehicles to PHEV style on their unused axle? You'd think if they could come up with drop ins for common vehicles that make them all wheel drive and PHEV efficient it would be a much larger market than making tanks that are heavy for off road...
I love that location. Go all the time. Now I am about to reach the LA finish line, Solar Cannonball Run. How could I reach you to chat Cannonball Runs?
I just don't see the feasibility of their rear drive axle. EVERYone who knows anything knows that unsprung weight is the enemy when it comes to road manners which is literally over 95% the use scenario. A normal solid axle truck shimmies like crazy over washboard/railroad tracks. That is the reason why many half ton have moved to IRS. I can't imagine how poorly road manners will be with a rear axle that's gotta be 2x-3x heavier.....??
@@prerunnerwannabe No it really isn't since many auto manufacturers outsource to companies like Magna for various systems some of which are off the shelf solutions that are tweaked a small bit for a customer if they require it, many do not and use the off the shelf solution as it comes from Magna with no changes before it goes into the vehicle.
Interesting to note the failure of the Magna i-Pace. According to Autoline it took much longer to make as the e-Pace made on the same line (Wards Auto, McElroy | Apr 03, 2019). Plagued with problems and now discontinued after abysmal sales.
@@lawnmowerdude But the fact that Magna is there means that more generic solutions are available which make for less interesting and bland vehicles. But true the mfrs are so cheap and greedy today I agree the blame is on their shoulders.
*May be "incredible tech" but you still need those rare Earth metals to make it all happen.* Which requires extensive strip mining to obtain and they are also not in friendly countries. EVs are destined to fail, just like they did over a century ago.
No you don't! Tesla gen 3 synchronous drive train has no rare earth elements and costs ~ $1000 including gears and invertor. LFP and NA batteries use commonly available cheap elements in abundant supply. BEVs are so massively improved over ICE there is no doubt at all that they will overtake ICE before 2030 and already have in Norway, Sweden and Iceland. EG Tesla Model 3 is now $9000 cheaper than average USA purchase yet is a premium car with 21C tech features, best safety and sparkling performance.
@@waynerussell6401 Fact is that all modern EV batteries use lithium and even though Tesla claims they will go back to using electric motors without the rare earth minerals, they haven't yet. That EV is heavy too and require special heavy duty sidewall tires to shoulder all that extra weight that wear at twice the rate ICE spec tires do, even in passenger cars. Finally the US electric grid simply cannot and will never sustain large numbers of vehicles charging on it. The only reason Sweden and Norway have so many EVs is because the govt has forced consumers to buy them and the EU is trying to force all of Europe to do the same. I can guarantee you EVs are dead on arrival, just like they were over 100 years ago in all but very specialized environments, and even in Norway and Sweden those cold climates seriously limit the range of the batteries and charging abilities as Kyle has shown you here in the USA. Sorry I won't be "eating ze bugs, and be happy" like Klaus Schwab would like.
@@waynerussell6401 Also while 39,000$ might be a inexpensive buy to you it isn't to most consumers even so in the USA. In fact most people cannot easily afford to buy a car worth 25k today, because you also have other expenses like insurance and taxes that are due yearly in some states.
@@horseathalt7308Lithium is abundant and only subject to prospecting and refining limitations. Look how its price has fallen in recent months. Tesla will open its own acid free refining facility using local lithium next year. Oil companies are switching focus with Exxon Mobil drilling for lithium in Arkansas and expects to begin production by 2027. Tyre wear is not twice that of ICE as proven in my other post to your falsehoods. The grid has and always will expand to meet the profit potentials increased consumption gives. No difference to when air conditioning became popular. Solar generation and battery storage are now the cheapest solution available and virtual power grids promise localized solutions with the elimination of polluting peaker plants and stabilization of the grid frequency huge bonuses of BEVs. All the top countries for BEV adoption are cold - Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland , Switzerland, Austria,,, all over 20% adopters, and not all EU members. Recurrent Auto tests show Tesla range loss at freezing is only 15% - same as ICE. Your 'guarantee' is flimsy oil-soaked PR as promulgated by the Koch brother's 'studies'. Take instead a lesson on the history of technology. BEVs are well passed the tipping point, with adoption much greater than simple linear growth. ICE sales peaked in 2017, gasoline demand peaked in 2019, and the ICE fleet will peak in the middle of the decade. Rocky Mountain Institute forecasts EV sales will grow at least four-fold by 2030, and make up between 62 percent and 86 percent of global car sales in 2030. EV sales could overtake ICE sales as early as 2026. High profile investor Canos just closed his $6 billion hedge fund shorting Tesla with just $200M remaining... If you put money where your mouth is - you are going to be very poor.
As with all EV’s they are heavy as a tank. Weight is bad. Weight in an off road vehicle is even worse. The result of excessive vehicle weight is tremendous stress and wearing of all suspension and wheels. Trying doing jumping jacks with 300 pounds strapped on your back. Your legs won’t last to long. Same thing. And what is not talked about is the impact on insurance claims with EV’s. The large increase in vehicle weight causes more vehicle damage in collisions. This is being studied now and wait and see if insurance premiums don’t double for an EV vehicle because of the large increase in damage- dollar claim loss. Someone is going to pay for this and you know it won’t be the insurance companies.
@uutube243 BINGO. The entire EV industry almost NEVER speaks about the "weight issue" due to the enormous batteries required to make the vehicle usable. They are so heavy that they require specialized re-enforced sidewall tires as well, these tires also wear almost twice as rapidly as standard tires for ICE vehicles. Bottom line is that EVs are impractical, and outrageously expensive for what you get, as well as the increase in repair costs and very specialized training required.
Hey horseshit TSLAQ - Tesla model 3 is similar weight to a BMW M3, and better performance. Cyber truck had more towing and load weights than its F150 rival. In a recent study by The Clunker Junker, Tesla vehicles claimed the victory of being the cheapest luxury car brand to maintain. Tesla’s average maintenance cost was 7.09% of the car’s value, compared to 12.28% for the next best, Lexus. "Unlike other makers of cars, our goal is *not* to profit from service. Best service is not needing service in the first place." Musk Tweet 8:11 PM · Jul 26, 2021 Tesla's have no scheduled maintenance. All service manuals are free to access online. Tyre wear is not higher on an EV: "most professional users (Taxi, Bus, Rental) experience similar tyre wear as for ICEVs." Users' experiences of tyre wear on electric vehicles A survey and interview study, June 2022 Report number: 1126AAffiliation: Swedish National Road and Transport Research Institute. "Tires on a modern electric car will wear down much slower than in a car with a traditional internal combustion engine. This is due to good traction control. The driver assist systems reduce slipping by utilizing the electric motor's rapid power adjustment. This system is much quicker than in ICE vehicles, where it is based on braking and limiting engine RPM," Nokian Tyres
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I enjoy how the Magna people are not just spokespeople who want to control the conversation.
My diesel gladiator is unbelievably capable off road with just a simple, albeit somewhat costly, bolt in 4” suspension and 40s. What I wanted to see more of with this is the actual ground clearance impact and the torque ratings of the axle tubs, shafts and the front ujoint assembly and also hear how many batteries were fitted underneath.
We need to get you into B roll footage Kyle...
Engineering is fascinating
Rivian needs to step up their off-road game, magna appears to get it, we'll see what makes it in to production though
Do they have any plans do so things like conversions of ICE passenger vehicles to PHEV style on their unused axle? You'd think if they could come up with drop ins for common vehicles that make them all wheel drive and PHEV efficient it would be a much larger market than making tanks that are heavy for off road...
Since Magna is producing Fisker Ocean vehicles maybe some of their technology end up in vehicles.
I love that location. Go all the time. Now I am about to reach the LA finish line, Solar Cannonball Run. How could I reach you to chat Cannonball Runs?
Haha this was awesome!
I just don't see the feasibility of their rear drive axle. EVERYone who knows anything knows that unsprung weight is the enemy when it comes to road manners which is literally over 95% the use scenario. A normal solid axle truck shimmies like crazy over washboard/railroad tracks. That is the reason why many half ton have moved to IRS. I can't imagine how poorly road manners will be with a rear axle that's gotta be 2x-3x heavier.....??
Magna needs to bring a vehicle to Easter Jeep Safari 2024 in Moab, Utah
Jeep is bringing their Magneto 4.0 version. Ive seen it and it is bananas
No burnouts, no donuts, no tank turns? WTF
First. Happy TGing Kyle
It’s refreshing to hear KW NM and kph
I feel like Magna is one of the main reason why most of our traditional car manufacturers “create”so many bland / the same looking cars and specs.
That's a weird take..
@@prerunnerwannabe No it really isn't since many auto manufacturers outsource to companies like Magna for various systems some of which are off the shelf solutions that are tweaked a small bit for a customer if they require it, many do not and use the off the shelf solution as it comes from Magna with no changes before it goes into the vehicle.
Interesting to note the failure of the Magna i-Pace. According to Autoline it took much longer to make as the e-Pace made on the same line (Wards Auto, McElroy | Apr 03, 2019). Plagued with problems and now discontinued after abysmal sales.
Lol it’s not magna forcing the manufacturers. The manufacturers like spending less money and outsourcing development.
@@lawnmowerdude But the fact that Magna is there means that more generic solutions are available which make for less interesting and bland vehicles. But true the mfrs are so cheap and greedy today I agree the blame is on their shoulders.
Nerd
*May be "incredible tech" but you still need those rare Earth metals to make it all happen.*
Which requires extensive strip mining to obtain and they are also not in friendly countries.
EVs are destined to fail, just like they did over a century ago.
No you don't!
Tesla gen 3 synchronous drive train has no rare earth elements and costs ~ $1000 including gears and invertor.
LFP and NA batteries use commonly available cheap elements in abundant supply.
BEVs are so massively improved over ICE there is no doubt at all that they will overtake ICE before 2030 and already have in Norway, Sweden and Iceland.
EG Tesla Model 3 is now $9000 cheaper than average USA purchase yet is a premium car with 21C tech features, best safety and sparkling performance.
@@waynerussell6401 Fact is that all modern EV batteries use lithium and even though Tesla claims they will go back to using electric motors without the rare earth minerals, they haven't yet. That EV is heavy too and require special heavy duty sidewall tires to shoulder all that extra weight that wear at twice the rate ICE spec tires do, even in passenger cars. Finally the US electric grid simply cannot and will never sustain large numbers of vehicles charging on it. The only reason Sweden and Norway have so many EVs is because the govt has forced consumers to buy them and the EU is trying to force all of Europe to do the same. I can guarantee you EVs are dead on arrival, just like they were over 100 years ago in all but very specialized environments, and even in Norway and Sweden those cold climates seriously limit the range of the batteries and charging abilities as Kyle has shown you here in the USA. Sorry I won't be "eating ze bugs, and be happy" like Klaus Schwab would like.
@@waynerussell6401 Also while 39,000$ might be a inexpensive buy to you it isn't to most consumers even so in the USA. In fact most people cannot easily afford to buy a car worth 25k today, because you also have other expenses like insurance and taxes that are due yearly in some states.
@@horseathalt7308Lithium is abundant and only subject to prospecting and refining limitations. Look how its price has fallen in recent months. Tesla will open its own acid free refining facility using local lithium next year. Oil companies are switching focus with Exxon Mobil drilling for lithium in Arkansas and expects to begin production by 2027.
Tyre wear is not twice that of ICE as proven in my other post to your falsehoods.
The grid has and always will expand to meet the profit potentials increased consumption gives. No difference to when air conditioning became popular. Solar generation and battery storage are now the cheapest solution available and virtual power grids promise localized solutions with the elimination of polluting peaker plants and stabilization of the grid frequency huge bonuses of BEVs.
All the top countries for BEV adoption are cold - Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland , Switzerland, Austria,,, all over 20% adopters, and not all EU members. Recurrent Auto tests show Tesla range loss at freezing is only 15% - same as ICE.
Your 'guarantee' is flimsy oil-soaked PR as promulgated by the Koch brother's 'studies'. Take instead a lesson on the history of technology. BEVs are well passed the tipping point, with adoption much greater than simple linear growth. ICE sales peaked in 2017, gasoline demand peaked in 2019, and the ICE fleet will peak in the middle of the decade. Rocky Mountain Institute forecasts EV sales will grow at least four-fold by 2030, and make up between 62 percent and 86 percent of global car sales in 2030. EV sales could overtake ICE sales as early as 2026.
High profile investor Canos just closed his $6 billion hedge fund shorting Tesla with just $200M remaining... If you put money where your mouth is - you are going to be very poor.
As with all EV’s they are heavy as a tank. Weight is bad. Weight in an off road vehicle is even worse. The result of excessive vehicle weight is tremendous stress and wearing of all suspension and wheels. Trying doing jumping jacks with 300 pounds strapped on your back. Your legs won’t last to long. Same thing.
And what is not talked about is the impact on insurance claims with EV’s. The large increase in vehicle weight causes more vehicle damage in collisions. This is being studied now and wait and see if insurance premiums don’t double for an EV vehicle because of the large increase in damage- dollar claim loss. Someone is going to pay for this and you know it won’t be the insurance companies.
@uutube243
BINGO. The entire EV industry almost NEVER speaks about the "weight issue" due to the enormous batteries required to make the vehicle usable. They are so heavy that they require specialized re-enforced sidewall tires as well, these tires also wear almost twice as rapidly as standard tires for ICE vehicles. Bottom line is that EVs are impractical, and outrageously expensive for what you get, as well as the increase in repair costs and very specialized training required.
th-cam.com/video/aLtkTp4GVuE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=X-2bwIyDc5HyvaFm What if all we had was EVs, many car fires? Electric car explosions worldwide, 5 minutes.
Hey horseshit TSLAQ -
Tesla model 3 is similar weight to a BMW M3, and better performance.
Cyber truck had more towing and load weights than its F150 rival.
In a recent study by The Clunker Junker, Tesla vehicles claimed the victory of being the cheapest luxury car brand to maintain. Tesla’s average maintenance cost was 7.09% of the car’s value, compared to 12.28% for the next best, Lexus.
"Unlike other makers of cars, our goal is *not* to profit from service.
Best service is not needing service in the first place."
Musk Tweet 8:11 PM · Jul 26, 2021
Tesla's have no scheduled maintenance. All service manuals are free to access online.
Tyre wear is not higher on an EV: "most professional users (Taxi, Bus, Rental) experience similar tyre wear as for ICEVs." Users' experiences of tyre wear on electric vehicles A survey and interview study, June 2022 Report number: 1126AAffiliation: Swedish National Road and Transport Research Institute.
"Tires on a modern electric car will wear down much slower than in a car with a traditional internal combustion engine. This is due to good traction control. The driver assist systems reduce slipping by utilizing the electric motor's rapid power adjustment. This system is much quicker than in ICE vehicles, where it is based on braking and limiting engine RPM," Nokian Tyres