In real history Hurrem and Gulfem were close friends. There are saved letters in Topkapi Palace-Museum, where Hurrem writes to Suleiman on campaigns and frequently mentions Gulfem as their friend. Gulfem often received gifts from Hurrem and Suleiman. She was like Harrem manager. Suleiman and Hurrem both trusted Gulfem a lot.
Dear God people it is amazing how you guys over and over tell those stupid stories based on internet source 🤦🏻 This is most stupid thing what I read here. First of all, Suleyman was not even in palace like they show in show, those womens didn’t even communicate a lot
@@dimael657 who told you? 🤣🤣 Suleiman was in the palace with his beloved wife Hurrem and mother Hafsa Sultan. Also there are many letters saved in Topkapi Palace Museum and also in history, between Hurrem and Suleiman mentioning Gulfem and other members of family. Maybe if you read history you would know🤔
@@dimael657 Read the books by Andre Clot or Leslie Peirce or other historians and learn better! Suleiman lived in Topkapi Palace with his wife Hurrem- who was also his state advisor. Suleiman spent totally 10 years at war campaigns, but the rest more than 60 years he spent at palace, also travelling with Hurrem to Edirne. And there are many letters saved between Suleiman and Hurrem and also Ambassadors letters on Suleiman and Hurrem. You must be living under rock😂
@@dimael657 Don't be nonsensical, Suleiman and Hurrem lived together because they were married. Suleiman didn't spend every second in war you know that?
2:26 I'm really happy how Mature and wise Hürrem grew to be and apologized for her past mistakes. It's quite emotional to see this scene a bunch of times, finally they forgave each other, along with so many others.
It's also interesting that she never received an apology for the things she went through. The later seasons paint the characters in a different light indeed
Hurrem never had hatred in her heart. She also respected her enemies and it was good to see that Gulfem finally understood her when she was talking about Hurrem's life journey. It was great. 💖
@@lilymasood3O67 here in Italy we say "It's easy to say that you love everyone and forgive everyone in the death's bad". If you don't hate someone don't try to kill, screm and others. And we want remember Suleiman's sisters? I think that is normal that not everyone can be our friend but we should to say the things in right way. Hürrem hated some people with her reasons. Hate exist in the life
Historical Hurrem Sultan is known to have very good relationship with Hafsa Valide Sultan-Suleiman’s mother, with Suleiman’s sisters: Shah Huban and Hatice Sultan especially, with Nurbanu and with Gulfem. Apparently Gulfem was the harem Lady Stewardess, in some historical documents she is also mentioned as Suleiman’s first concubine and “mother of the deceased Şehzâde Murâd”- Suleiman’s first born son. After Gulfem’s children died, Suleiman’s intimacy with Gulfem ended and they stayed on friendly terms. Hurrem and Gulfem had respectful and friendly relationship to the point where Hurrem used to include only Gülfem next to her own children in the private letters sent to Suleiman, when he was away. Hurrem was also fine with Gulfem writing private letters directly to her husband, which was rather unique for Hurrem. This indicates on immense trust between these two women. The only people Hurrem wasn’t on good terms with are: Ibrahim Pasha and Mahidervan. There are saved letters where Hurrem mentions Ibrahim in a letter to Suleiman this way: “An explanation has been requested for why I am angry at the pasha, God-willing, if it becomes possible to speak in person, it will be heard. At present, we still send greetings to the pasha, may he accept them.” As for Hurrem’s relationship with Mahidervan-before she left to province with Mustafa, apparently it was so tense, that the Austrian ambassador Ogier Ghiselin de Busbecq, who was visiting Suleiman’s court wrote: “These two women are like hungry Hyenas locked in one cage”. 😂 So basically, the feud between Hurrem and Suleiman’s sisters, Valide Sultana, Gulfem, Nurbanu is all made up for drama by MC producers for the drama and views.✋🏼✔️
Thank you for that information. I knew that Gulfem two children died in infancy and he took Mahindra as his next favorite. I have always ys like Gulfem
@@sharonmccoy4535 Leslie Peirce wrote that Suleiman had at the same time 4 new concubines Yasemin hatun, Hubeh hatun, Server hatun and Mahidevran hatun. Before them, he had allready two concubines who allready had childern.Mother of Prince Mahmud and the other one was mother of Raziye Sultan. None of them was Gülfem. According to Leslie Peirce, Gülfem is not listed among 17 harem girls of Suleiman. But i agree with Lana with other things, except Gülfem beeing a concubine
Hurrem and gulfem would be on good terms if it wasn't for valide ayse hafsa sultana but still they had a good bond and hurrem asked for forgiveness too before dying which proves she indeed is a real sultana❤
@@lauri8696 She was her best friend, Gülfem helped her a lot at beginning when Hürrem started to rule the harem. Hürrem always mentioned Gülfem in her letters. And Gülfem was like a sister to Suleiman ( she isn't listed as his concubine)
Ha..ha😂Gulfem has no one ,by now..to lean onto Hence now talking like an angel to hurrem She had been a silent spectator thru all evil schemes& crimes against hurrem
@@bharathiramesh5878 Gulfem never ever sided with valide sultan in her evil schemes against Hurrem. She had a petty respectable bond with Hurrem. However Hurrem was the one to throw the first stone by attacking Gulfem in order to get Mahidevran removed from the position. It was from then when she became against Hurrem.
In real life Gulfem was close to Hurrem. The only time Gulfem got involved in any drama was telling Bayezid to stand down & obey his father. This was after Hurrem had passed away.
For most of the series, I believe I knew where Gulfem stood. I'm glad, however, that despite the difficulties of their circumstances, she and Hurem were able to build a relationship. This particular scene was beautiful because it perfectly depicts how intimate trust can be. I love their honesty with each other.
I was watching this episode when it first aired and rewatching it today is like revisiting old family photos and really brings back memories of what I felt watching it and how life was for me back when this aired, it’s beautiful.
This Short episode proved that Gulfem and Hürrem would've been good friends. I'm happy to see that they aren't bickering their mouths but instead having a heart to heart talk, it's really warming to see.
Ottoman Empire(turkey) and Mughal Empire(India) were the strongest Islamic Empires in the medieval era. Also both empires influenced by women as well at some point. The difference is, In Ottomans, status of women was depend on their children and In Mughals, status of women was depend on their intelligence . Ottomans used to bought slave girls for Sultan's harem . If concubine don't have children she can't be a Sultana . In Mughal empire slavery was ban,so they used to marry with Princesses of other Kingdoms & with Common Women . Even if they don't have children they could still be a Sultana. Mostly high ranking Sultanas were childless . Highest title for Women in Ottoman Empire were Haseki Sultan & Valide Sultan. In Mughals highest Title for Women were Padishah Begum & Malika Also:- In Ottomans majority of Concubines were Greeks and from other parts of Europe. In Mughals majority of Concubines were Turk, Persian, Indian Hindu and Indian Muslim .
That wasn't India. It was called united subcontinent. If you call India the first thing that comes to mind are hindus but Mughal empire was of muslims and they ruled the subcontinent.
Actually, in real life women who gave birth to sultan's sons weren't called sulatanas, they only wore title "hatun", a slave woman could only receive the title "sultana" after her son become a sultan or if they were legally married by a sultan (that's why Hurrem was a sultana but Mahidevran only had the "hatun" title in real life)
@@cirambenim Empire's official name was Sultanate e Hindostan (which means Empire of India) . It was an Indian Empire with Dynasty of Turkic origins (not Turkish both are different). Also after Babur Dynasty was very much mix of Turk-Indian and Persian ethnicities.
I wouldn't call Hurrem's life a fairy tale. Stolen from her home and family, made a slave and then all the fighting with literally every other woman. Her 2 sons were killed/died during her lifetime, if i recall correctly. Better than what Mahidevran and many others got- yes, undoubtedly. But fairy tale is pushing it. I still like this scene a lot. Nice conclusion.
It's because her role in tv show just doesn't make sense. Sooner or later Gülfem as former concubine without childern would be freed and married off to someone else, what's the point of keeping her in harem for 50 years? It just doesn't make sense. But i guess they kept her on the show for so long because real Gülfem was very important person as their servant and high ranked Kalfa
It was nice seeing Hurrem and gulfem speaking on good terms. Letting go of the previous misunderstandings, quarrels etc. Too bad that Hurrem can do the same with others of her former rivals
@@virginiaalo7434 hahahahahaha! Stole???? Suleiman was never Mahidervan’s 😂😂😂😂 Mahidervan was conncubine as hundreds! Suleiman married only on Hurrem and loved only her! Sit down botttt!
@@virginiaalo7434 Stole Suleiman? Lmaooo whatttt? Mahidervan stole Suleiman from Gulfem you🤡🤡🤡 Mahdiervan was CONCUBINE! Suleiman was never hers! He had hundreds conncubines! Suleiman loved and married only on Hurrem! He never loved Mahidervan! Get over it botttt!
@@virginiaalo7434 Stole??!! Mahidervan stole Suleiiman from Gulfem! Did you forget? Hurrem never stole others man! Suleiman was FREE! Mahidervan was conncubine as hundreds others! Suleiman never loved her! He loved and married only Hurrem! Cryyy botttt
In the end, death brings down even the most powerful, the richest, the most beautiful (or whatever superlative degree we can add to many many human forms and status). But at least, Hurrem died on the arms of a man who gave her not only sorrows but precious love and a social standing as well, unlike Mahidevran and Gulfem who died "unrecognized" by that man for whom they spent their entire youth wasted within the narrow walls of the palace with no official position or power that could give them lasting security.
Lol May I offer you a different perspective In Islam ,it does not matter whether you die sorrounded by the loved one or die alone. It does not matter whether you are accorded a state funeral or your burial site hidden somewhere in the forest. Hurrem was just had a heart to heart talk with Gulfem. Hurrem did not see Gulfem as an enemy as Gulfem did not have a living prince, competing to succeed Sulaiman. However, Hurrem.was ruthless towards Mahidevran as the latter had a son and as such Mustapha was a claimant to the throne too. Many trying to absolve Hurrem of her many sins ( like sending concubine to sway Mustapha from Friday prayer or getting Efsun to poison Mustapha or getting Mihrimah to steal the seal or giving tacit blessing to Rustem to attack Mustapha). But why on earth she felt the need for pay a courtesy call to Mahidevran when the latter was no longer a threat to her position once Mustapha was eliminated). Because she knew she was sinful to many people and above all,Mahidevran. Let us be objective here. Even Beyazid,Cihangir could not accept what Hurrem did to Mahidevran. Even Sualiamn was rebuked by Yahya Yahya point blank told off Sulaiaman that he was indeed very cruel to execute Mustapha and worse still denied Mahidevran the comfort she deserved as a mother of a prince.
Hürrem asking Gülfem for forging, but Gülfem never asking Hürrem to. She was the one who fighting Hürrem with Suleyman's sisters, put a killer in harem, playing the games behind her back, saying terrible words to her and lying.
Hurrem was not nice to gulfem. Gulfem turned bitter when hurrem did wrong to her. Do u really imply that all servants and royals was against hurrem? She didn't do any wrong and one day all of them some up and chose to hate hurrem? Don't u think she did wrong to so many ppl and went on a killing spree?
Hurrem and Gulfem are smart. They both showed maturity in responding to certain circumstances..I think I lost enthusiasm to enjoy the series after the death Rustem P to see how this scoundrel ended..
@@sunnybananny5737 Minus the terrible pain of burying your own children then yes she was lucky in the other aspects (the war between Mahidevra/Hurrem). She kept her head down, worked hard and was able to stay at the Palace for years.
In the entire series...hurrem was the only one who asked for forgiveness even from mahi devil who started endless sufferings for hurrem The things the gang of mahi devil,ibrahim,hatice,valide did to hurrem were countless & unspeakable Hurrem did whatever she did in defence..to protect herself& her children None of the ppl from evil gang had the decency to ask for forgiveness from hurrem They never even acknowledged their crimes
Gulfem always supported those who harmed Hurrem, at least she knew about almost all evils that were being done or supposed to be done to Hurrem. I wonder what had Hurrem done to Gulfem? I can understand others, but Gulfem? nope.
Because her son died so young. And after that they didnt have any relationship with Sultan Suleyman. But she actually became stewardess of the harem and ended on good terms with Suleiman. Even Mahidevran didnt earn the title "sultana".
In ottoman empire, if you don't have a living prince of your own, you will lose the status of Sultana. After gulfem's child died she could no longer be called a Sultana.
@@sharbasmitasaha2496 that's the difference between Ottoman Empire and Mughal Empire. In Mughal Empire(India) Status of Women were depend on her qualities not on her Children. Majority of Powerful Sultanas were childless.
Becaue this show doesn't make sense when it comes to titles. Show Gülfem was former concubine of Suleiman, whom kids died as infants and that's why she "lost" the title. But reallity was different. Only because a concubine gives birth to a biy it doesn't make her "sultana". They are still slaves and how can a slave carry a royal title? Sultanas were only sisters of the Sultan (Bayezid II invented this rule, before that, sister were also called hatun), Valide was a sultana, also a rule during Suleiman's reign, before that they were called also hatun and Haseki's were sultanas, this title was invented in 1533/1534 and first holder was Hürem. But not every concubine had the Haseki title.
In real history Hurrem and Gulfem were close friends. There are saved letters in Topkapi Palace-Museum, where Hurrem writes to Suleiman on campaigns and frequently mentions Gulfem as their friend. Gulfem often received gifts from Hurrem and Suleiman. She was like Harrem manager. Suleiman and Hurrem both trusted Gulfem a lot.
Dear God people it is amazing how you guys over and over tell those stupid stories based on internet source 🤦🏻
This is most stupid thing what I read here. First of all, Suleyman was not even in palace like they show in show, those womens didn’t even communicate a lot
@@dimael657 who told you? 🤣🤣 Suleiman was in the palace with his beloved wife Hurrem and mother Hafsa Sultan. Also there are many letters saved in Topkapi Palace Museum and also in history, between Hurrem and Suleiman mentioning Gulfem and other members of family. Maybe if you read history you would know🤔
@@dimael657 Read the books by Andre Clot or Leslie Peirce or other historians and learn better! Suleiman lived in Topkapi Palace with his wife Hurrem- who was also his state advisor. Suleiman spent totally 10 years at war campaigns, but the rest more than 60 years he spent at palace, also travelling with Hurrem to Edirne. And there are many letters saved between Suleiman and Hurrem and also Ambassadors letters on Suleiman and Hurrem. You must be living under rock😂
@@lilymasood3O67 is it in English? I would love to read that.
@@dimael657 Don't be nonsensical, Suleiman and Hurrem lived together because they were married. Suleiman didn't spend every second in war you know that?
2:26 I'm really happy how Mature and wise Hürrem grew to be and apologized for her past mistakes. It's quite emotional to see this scene a bunch of times, finally they forgave each other, along with so many others.
It's also interesting that she never received an apology for the things she went through. The later seasons paint the characters in a different light indeed
She is the only one of them all who actually apologized and never pretended to be an angel
Hurrem never had hatred in her heart. She also respected her enemies and it was good to see that Gulfem finally understood her when she was talking about Hurrem's life journey. It was great. 💖
Oh well... not all. She hated Firuze, Isabella, Maria, Mahidevran. Is little easy say this in death time
She had enough reason to hate them....they threw the first stone...not her.
@@ramn_bennington she never haated them.
@@user-ke9ir1xn7p I'm still searching Maria's fault
@@lilymasood3O67 here in Italy we say "It's easy to say that you love everyone and forgive everyone in the death's bad". If you don't hate someone don't try to kill, screm and others. And we want remember Suleiman's sisters? I think that is normal that not everyone can be our friend but we should to say the things in right way. Hürrem hated some people with her reasons. Hate exist in the life
Historical Hurrem Sultan is known to have very good relationship with Hafsa Valide Sultan-Suleiman’s mother, with Suleiman’s sisters: Shah Huban and Hatice Sultan especially, with Nurbanu and with Gulfem.
Apparently Gulfem was the harem Lady Stewardess, in some historical documents she is also mentioned as Suleiman’s first concubine and “mother of the deceased Şehzâde Murâd”- Suleiman’s first born son.
After Gulfem’s children died, Suleiman’s intimacy with Gulfem ended and they stayed on friendly terms.
Hurrem and Gulfem had respectful and friendly relationship to the point where Hurrem used to include only Gülfem next to her own children in the private letters sent to Suleiman, when he was away. Hurrem was also fine with Gulfem writing private letters directly to her husband, which was rather unique for Hurrem. This indicates on immense trust between these two women.
The only people Hurrem wasn’t on good terms with are: Ibrahim Pasha and Mahidervan.
There are saved letters where Hurrem mentions Ibrahim in a letter to Suleiman this way: “An explanation has been requested for why I am angry at the pasha, God-willing, if it becomes possible to speak in person, it will be heard. At present, we still send greetings to the pasha, may he accept them.”
As for Hurrem’s relationship with Mahidervan-before she left to province with Mustafa, apparently it was so tense, that the Austrian ambassador Ogier Ghiselin de Busbecq, who was visiting Suleiman’s court wrote: “These two women are like hungry Hyenas locked in one cage”. 😂
So basically, the feud between Hurrem and Suleiman’s sisters, Valide Sultana, Gulfem, Nurbanu is all made up for drama by MC producers for the drama and views.✋🏼✔️
Yep, that's how historical adaptions work
Thank you for that information. I knew that Gulfem two children died in infancy and he took Mahindra as his next favorite. I have always ys like Gulfem
Thank you ,here are so many who doesnt know the real hostory
@@sharonmccoy4535 Leslie Peirce wrote that Suleiman had at the same time 4 new concubines Yasemin hatun, Hubeh hatun, Server hatun and Mahidevran hatun. Before them, he had allready two concubines who allready had childern.Mother of Prince Mahmud and the other one was mother of Raziye Sultan. None of them was Gülfem. According to Leslie Peirce, Gülfem is not listed among 17 harem girls of Suleiman. But i agree with Lana with other things, except Gülfem beeing a concubine
Lol 😂 I’m a history buff that knew generally mahidevran and pasha were not liked by hurrem but danggggggg hyenas??!?!?!
Hurrem and gulfem would be on good terms if it wasn't for valide ayse hafsa sultana but still they had a good bond and hurrem asked for forgiveness too before dying which proves she indeed is a real sultana❤
Hurrem framed Mahi for trying to kill Gulfem. I thought that was why they didn't really get along too well?
In real life gulfem was one of hurrems friends
@@lauri8696 Yes. In this case, I am talking about the show. I have taken the time to read the real history pf Hurrem and Suleiman.
@@lauri8696 She was her best friend, Gülfem helped her a lot at beginning when Hürrem started to rule the harem. Hürrem always mentioned Gülfem in her letters. And Gülfem was like a sister to Suleiman ( she isn't listed as his concubine)
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Finally after 40 years Gulfem chose the right side! ✋🏼
Hürrem was already sick. I wouldn't say she chose her sadly
Really ? I know you love hurrem but her mistakes are unjustifiable
I like kosem but im against her bad decision
Ha..ha😂Gulfem has no one ,by now..to lean onto
Hence now talking like an angel to hurrem
She had been a silent spectator thru all evil schemes& crimes against hurrem
@@bharathiramesh5878 Gulfem never ever sided with valide sultan in her evil schemes against Hurrem. She had a petty respectable bond with Hurrem. However Hurrem was the one to throw the first stone by attacking Gulfem in order to get Mahidevran removed from the position. It was from then when she became against Hurrem.
In real life Gulfem was close to Hurrem. The only time Gulfem got involved in any drama was telling Bayezid to stand down & obey his father. This was after Hurrem had passed away.
For most of the series, I believe I knew where Gulfem stood. I'm glad, however, that despite the difficulties of their circumstances, she and Hurem were able to build a relationship. This particular scene was beautiful because it perfectly depicts how intimate trust can be. I love their honesty with each other.
No matter what was going on between Hurrem, Merhidevan, and Hatice, Gulfem was a good woman.
No she was not
@@baldeh4 she was neutral
@@SexhatClhxlhxyoxyl She was supporting Hatice no matter what, even lies and schemes. She wasn't neutral. But she wasn't evil as well.
@@DadoPandaEvilness is allowing bad to prosper and that was what she did.
@@kayodewa She was stupid, and protected Hatice as one would protect their daughter.
The only friendly conversation between valide sultan and gulfem.
Indeed her life is a fairytale
She isn't Valide Sultan. She is the Haseki Sultan.
@@navneethkrishnan3412 yes she is valide sultan
@@DimSK. she didn’t see her son ruling so no she isn’t. Valide sultan is when her son is on the throne.
@@desertmoonlee6631 yes she was valide sultan
Hurrem was not Valide Sultan, Mihrimah was, even she was not a mother of a Sultan.
I was watching this episode when it first aired and rewatching it today is like revisiting old family photos and really brings back memories of what I felt watching it and how life was for me back when this aired, it’s beautiful.
What a magnificent series, indeed.
100% true.Hurrem never been a biased to Gulfem.
So true... everything was perfect...
This Short episode proved that Gulfem and Hürrem would've been good friends. I'm happy to see that they aren't bickering their mouths but instead having a heart to heart talk, it's really warming to see.
From what I read in another commment, apparently they were actually good friends and hurrem emntioned gulfem in her letters to suleiman as her friend
Gulfem was actually Hurrem's closest friend. She was mentioned in Hurrem's letters to Suleiman.
Ottoman Empire(turkey) and Mughal Empire(India) were the strongest Islamic Empires in the medieval era. Also both empires influenced by women as well at some point. The difference is, In Ottomans, status of women was depend on their children and In Mughals, status of women was depend on their intelligence . Ottomans used to bought slave girls for Sultan's harem . If concubine don't have children she can't be a Sultana . In Mughal empire slavery was ban,so they used to marry with Princesses of other Kingdoms & with Common Women . Even if they don't have children they could still be a Sultana. Mostly high ranking Sultanas were childless .
Highest title for Women in Ottoman Empire were Haseki Sultan & Valide Sultan. In Mughals highest Title for Women were Padishah Begum & Malika
Also:- In Ottomans majority of Concubines were Greeks and from other parts of Europe. In Mughals majority of Concubines were Turk, Persian, Indian Hindu and Indian Muslim .
That wasn't India. It was called united subcontinent. If you call India the first thing that comes to mind are hindus but Mughal empire was of muslims and they ruled the subcontinent.
Actually, in real life women who gave birth to sultan's sons weren't called sulatanas, they only wore title "hatun", a slave woman could only receive the title "sultana" after her son become a sultan or if they were legally married by a sultan (that's why Hurrem was a sultana but Mahidevran only had the "hatun" title in real life)
Babür Empire also Turkish Empire
@@cirambenim Empire's official name was Sultanate e Hindostan (which means Empire of India) . It was an Indian Empire with Dynasty of Turkic origins (not Turkish both are different). Also after Babur Dynasty was very much mix of Turk-Indian and Persian ethnicities.
One of my fave lines from Hurrem!
I wouldn't call Hurrem's life a fairy tale. Stolen from her home and family, made a slave and then all the fighting with literally every other woman. Her 2 sons were killed/died during her lifetime, if i recall correctly. Better than what Mahidevran and many others got- yes, undoubtedly. But fairy tale is pushing it. I still like this scene a lot. Nice conclusion.
Gulfem was one of the most nonexistent characters I have ever seen in a television show 🙃🙃
@Leo worst ghosts can be interesting
It's because her role in tv show just doesn't make sense. Sooner or later Gülfem as former concubine without childern would be freed and married off to someone else, what's the point of keeping her in harem for 50 years? It just doesn't make sense. But i guess they kept her on the show for so long because real Gülfem was very important person as their servant and high ranked Kalfa
It was nice seeing Hurrem and gulfem speaking on good terms. Letting go of the previous misunderstandings, quarrels etc.
Too bad that Hurrem can do the same with others of her former rivals
Esp. Majidevran..whom she first stole suleiman
@@virginiaalo7434 she does so later on. Too bad these two couldn't come to an understanding or make peace sooner. It would have saved a lot of people
@@virginiaalo7434 hahahahahaha! Stole???? Suleiman was never Mahidervan’s 😂😂😂😂 Mahidervan was conncubine as hundreds! Suleiman married only on Hurrem and loved only her! Sit down botttt!
@@virginiaalo7434 Stole Suleiman? Lmaooo whatttt? Mahidervan stole Suleiman from Gulfem you🤡🤡🤡
Mahdiervan was CONCUBINE! Suleiman was never hers! He had hundreds conncubines!
Suleiman loved and married only on Hurrem! He never loved Mahidervan! Get over it botttt!
@@virginiaalo7434 Stole??!! Mahidervan stole Suleiiman from Gulfem! Did you forget?
Hurrem never stole others man! Suleiman was FREE! Mahidervan was conncubine as hundreds others! Suleiman never loved her! He loved and married only Hurrem! Cryyy botttt
Valide sultan admits her bad actions here unlike others.
In the end, death brings down even the most powerful, the richest, the most beautiful (or whatever superlative degree we can add to many many human forms and status). But at least, Hurrem died on the arms of a man who gave her not only sorrows but precious love and a social standing as well, unlike Mahidevran and Gulfem who died "unrecognized" by that man for whom they spent their entire youth wasted within the narrow walls of the palace with no official position or power that could give them lasting security.
Finally someone here with who i can says nd think same.
He should have been just with all hos wifes. Not just one.
One wife working under the other nd one is stripped of of the money
Lol
May I offer you a different perspective
In Islam ,it does not matter whether you die sorrounded by the loved one or die alone.
It does not matter whether you are accorded a state funeral or your burial site hidden somewhere in the forest.
Hurrem was just had a heart to heart talk with Gulfem.
Hurrem did not see Gulfem as an enemy as Gulfem did not have a living prince, competing to succeed Sulaiman.
However, Hurrem.was ruthless towards Mahidevran as the latter had a son and as such Mustapha was a claimant to the throne too.
Many trying to absolve Hurrem of her many sins ( like sending concubine to sway Mustapha from Friday prayer or getting Efsun to poison Mustapha or getting Mihrimah to steal the seal or giving tacit blessing to Rustem to attack Mustapha).
But why on earth she felt the need for pay a courtesy call to Mahidevran when the latter was no longer a threat to her position once Mustapha was eliminated).
Because she knew she was sinful to many people and above all,Mahidevran.
Let us be objective here.
Even Beyazid,Cihangir could not accept what Hurrem did to Mahidevran. Even Sualiamn was rebuked by Yahya
Yahya point blank told off Sulaiaman that he was indeed very cruel to execute Mustapha and worse still denied Mahidevran the comfort she deserved as a mother of a prince.
If it was true then Suleiman will pay the price of what he did with Mahidevran and Gulfem in the court of Allah SWT.
@@sohail8725 oh honey, he didn't only pay for his sin to both of them, but to many other women 🤣
Good ending relationship between Lady Gulfem and Haseki Hurrem Sultan 💕 a heartbreaking 💔 recollection of the past
I love the pacing this masterpiece. Very engaging and heartwarming like Ruyi love in the Place. Captivating! Kudos to the creators and producers!
I loved how gulfem stepped up and became like a mother for mihrimah
2:23 I wish old Hurrem to be here
Hürrem asking Gülfem for forging, but Gülfem never asking Hürrem to. She was the one who fighting Hürrem with Suleyman's sisters, put a killer in harem, playing the games behind her back, saying terrible words to her and lying.
Hurrem was not nice to gulfem. Gulfem turned bitter when hurrem did wrong to her. Do u really imply that all servants and royals was against hurrem? She didn't do any wrong and one day all of them some up and chose to hate hurrem? Don't u think she did wrong to so many ppl and went on a killing spree?
Such fine acting, esp from Hurrem character 👌
Hurrem and Gulfem are smart. They both showed maturity in responding to certain circumstances..I think I lost enthusiasm to enjoy the series after the death Rustem P to see how this scoundrel ended..
So true!
At the altar of death, many people often acknowledge their crimes and sins!
Had Gulfems children lived who knows maybe their positions would be different.
True. But good for her. She never had to worry for her own life and her precious children. She was lucky.
@@sunnybananny5737 Minus the terrible pain of burying your own children then yes she was lucky in the other aspects (the war between Mahidevra/Hurrem).
She kept her head down, worked hard and was able to stay at the Palace for years.
I love the words of gulfem
In the entire series...hurrem was the only one who asked for forgiveness even from mahi devil who started endless sufferings for hurrem
The things the gang of mahi devil,ibrahim,hatice,valide did to hurrem were countless & unspeakable
Hurrem did whatever she did in defence..to protect herself& her children
None of the ppl from evil gang had the decency to ask for forgiveness from hurrem
They never even acknowledged their crimes
She was a ghost in the palace 🤣🤣🤣
Gulfem...the fair weather friend.
Gulfem always supported those who harmed Hurrem, at least she knew about almost all evils that were being done or supposed to be done to Hurrem. I wonder what had Hurrem done to Gulfem? I can understand others, but Gulfem? nope.
As always, history has had to be altered for the drama. In truth these women got along according to historical writings
I want ask if Hürrem would die if they would be friends. A little nonsense this scene for me.
They became close before Hurrem knew she was dying. Hurrem asked Suleiman to hire Gulfem as Harrem Manager.
@@lilymasood3O67 yeah but was for have advantage against Fatma. Maybe in this they became more closer. Could be :)
Sermin Ve Hunkar, like nephew and aunt 😂
3:49 is behind hurrem a lamp or Light intant of candle
Should not Mahidevran bow before Hurrem?
But finaly gulfem try kill Suleiman
Gulfem was the best person there!
Why would she agree to see that old witch?
Que historia x dios, 🙏⭐😊
I don’t understand why she was never granted sultana status.
Because her son died so young. And after that they didnt have any relationship with Sultan Suleyman. But she actually became stewardess of the harem and ended on good terms with Suleiman. Even Mahidevran didnt earn the title "sultana".
In ottoman empire, if you don't have a living prince of your own, you will lose the status of Sultana. After gulfem's child died she could no longer be called a Sultana.
@@sharbasmitasaha2496 that's the difference between Ottoman Empire and Mughal Empire. In Mughal Empire(India) Status of Women were depend on her qualities not on her Children. Majority of Powerful Sultanas were childless.
Thanks.
Becaue this show doesn't make sense when it comes to titles. Show Gülfem was former concubine of Suleiman, whom kids died as infants and that's why she "lost" the title. But reallity was different. Only because a concubine gives birth to a biy it doesn't make her "sultana". They are still slaves and how can a slave carry a royal title? Sultanas were only sisters of the Sultan (Bayezid II invented this rule, before that, sister were also called hatun), Valide was a sultana, also a rule during Suleiman's reign, before that they were called also hatun and Haseki's were sultanas, this title was invented in 1533/1534 and first holder was Hürem. But not every concubine had the Haseki title.
What disease did she had 😮
Fairy tale ?????
She was a wicked witch
Read whole story of Hurrem before you judge one of most powerful woman