Hello. I have really enjoyed watching your reviews on the different Genelec speakers. There are not a lot of audiophiles reviewing Genelecs, so I appreciate what you are doing with your channel. In your review of the 6040's, you mentioned their bass performance. Do you think they need a subwoofer? How does the bass performance of the 6040's compare to the 8030 and 7350 combination you reviewed? I look forward to your response. Thanks, Jim
i enjoyed the acid house comparison too. i love both Chopin and LFO, and the ability to play both well (sometimes I wonder if it's even a consideration) is pretty elusive!
Glad to see another brilliant video by your hands. My god, this quality (both the clear content and especially the visuals) is absolutely unique on You Tube. Please keep up this good work and happy holidays to you and your beloved. Greetings from the Netherlands !
This is quite brilliant. The visuals get better every day, and this is one of those days where I really DO want to try a set of those speakers with the subwoofer. Connected to my dCS and Naim probably. A former mate used these in their plain aluminium guise and they sounded GREAT! More bass than I expected as well! Such a pity you're quitting, but quite understandable...
fantastic content; would love to own some Genelec's someday. However the Harbeth 30.2xd are what I'm budgeting for in my smaller room. I've got maggie 1.7i for my primary listening room but the Harbeth sound is just so sweet in terms of mid range and vocal quality. I heard the 30.2 and really want the badly especially for late night low volume listening with a nice glass of Bourbon. Merry Christmas to you!
Pfhhh,, I thought we had lost u Simon,, 😬. Im very happy to see you back,, 🤩. Where to sign up for Patreon? Cheers, happy holidays and thank you soooo much for your time and work, Mr Masterreviewer,, 🍻🥰👍👍.
Simon, Best wishes over the holidays and I wish you well on your new efforts in video production. You have really spurred my interest in the genelec products. I’m curious what your thoughts are on the smaller versions with their pro woofers verses going to the 6.5” - 8” without the woofer? In any event, thanks for sharing this video and I hope that you enjoy your holidays. Take care….John
Thanks very much John, I’m always happy to help but I do so on PayPal or patreon because I think if people value my further advice….also bearing in mind how much people spend on hifi. It’s not really the amount but the principle
I really like your reviews. Have you compared the node via digital vs good dac/ streamer via xlr? Running my Genelec 8340 via nuprime dac9/ifi zen stream today.
Honestly these would be cracking good, and such a brilliant solution. For +/- $6000, you get EVERYTHING, and audiophile level design, engineering, and build. The styling is really the only thing I can thing one would objectively have issue with (style to me is a bit.....sort of Chinese blob thermoplastic essence, but I know it all has function). But it's brilliant: no preamp, no amp, no dac, no speaker cables, no 'sort of proper' stands, etc. The only 'fancy' cables needed are from streamer to unit, and maybe the power cables to the speakers. The only thing I think would sort of set people back might be no more tweaking and swapping of gear!!!!!!
Respect your view, thanks for adding. I think the days of speakers all needing to be wood are going and because of new modern spaces. Probably why we see brands making speakers in off tone colours like greys, and greens etc. Also sustainability issues of making wood cases and veneers and not from sustainable sources - another feather in genelecs cap which I didn’t mention is the aluminium is from recycled sources. How many speaker firms will be using the material from your old speakers - people care about that sort of thing nowadays.
Interesting speaker design and industrial, rough surface finish. But for that money I'd go for the Buchardt A500 or - if you have a bigger roorm - A700. They both go much deeper in the bass and with the wireless hub you have less cables running around and also have dsp sound control with room correction. And you have the option of a cardioid directivity which is not possible with any Genelec speaker.
I tried the passive S400 mk2’s and they are lovely speakers, although having said that I’d sooner have these Genelec’s than the S400 mk2’s and a Naim Supernait 3, which is way more money. Although I haven’t tried the A500’s, I suspect I would be going towards these Genelec’s. Reason?….First the room correction works a bit better than the i150/Buchardt app I have used with the i150 review I did, which is the same in use with the A500 - you get a calibrated mic for more precise calibration over the full range with Genelec GLM. Buchardt use iPhones remember and are set to only correct for bass better as Mads Buchardt told me - see i150 video. On cables, the GLM Ethernet cables can be removed once you set up GLM, plus you have power cables on the Buchardt’s anyway so it’s only two cables in normal use with these Genelec’s - power and one digital / analogue cable, which arguably can just be loomed together. The sound quality of Genelec is more proven I think too, particularly in a studio sense, and the GLM software has much more in it and it’s clearly been developed much more. Things like full room reports, multipoint calibration etc. I like what the passive radiators do with the S400 mk2’s but when you add rear firing active drivers into a speaker you are creating boundary effects that you are then trying to sort out in less precise room correction software, relative to GLM. So whether cardioid directivity is a good thing is questionable, but correcting after that doesn’t seem to make sense to me. As I say the GLM software corrects for peaks and dips in the response much better than the iPhone Buchardt app for the A500’s / i150. As I understand it, the Buchardt app is based on algorithms in measuring your room at different points which may not be perfect in a final result, whereas GLM is more purist in giving you the results from the listening position and letting you tweak it accordingly with more shelf adjustments too. The master tunings look a nice touch for different uses, but you can’t help think room correction needs for more there. In my experience (NAD M33) Dirac is very good for HiFi because it can correct for a perfectly flat response which you can then tailor, but it depends, like I said in the review, how much truck is placed on room correction because not everyone wants or likes it and it often just comes down to the inherent quality of the speakers. A dealer friend I know sets up room correction for customers to regularly just prefer the sound without correction. Looking at the pedigree of Genelec, they would not be one I’d miss a trial of, in a buying decision for active speakers, based on design and materials reputation, build quality, market standing, not based on any of these things which are hugely open to debate and technical discourse. Having said that the aluminium construction is I think huge too in getting inert speakers at this size where you don’t want colouration, as I said in the video. Maybe using aluminium with a sealed cabinet and no rear driver, probably makes for a faster speaker than the Buchardt although that’s one for a speaker designer. Cheers.
@13th Note HiFi Reviews Genelec references the critical listening distance for many of their monitors, the majority of which are stated to be within 2 meters. Are you saying that listening distances can be further than this? Possibly 3m-4m? (I really appreciate your reviews btw).
Id hazard a guess bigger driver than normal Genelecs , bigger internal space as a sealed non ported design playing out to creating displacement of the main driver, powerful 150w drivers and a bit more than some Genelecs and the ideal you are not then just getting direct sound of a smaller near field design , if that makes sense to you? Welcome your thoughts.
@@13thnotehifireviews7 I'm merely a consumer fascinated by the genelec monitors. I have a large space and I'd like very much for them to work ~4m-5m seating distance. I'm primarily a 2 (or 2.1) channel stereo listener, but atmos intrigues me. Thank you for all you do.
On mobile so not easy to find, but I know Genelec has recommended listening distances for all their monitors on their site. I remember they’re a bit longer than assumed. Some their bigger ones are made to be sitting more than a meter or two away.
Thank you for the answer. Do you think there is degradation in sound quality using the digital volume control or has bluesound succeeded in making a good implementation? How do you think the impedance converter affect the sound quality? I have 8330 and 7350 feed by nuprime dac 9se and sonos as streamer, but thinking of going fully digital.
They recommend the digital connection foremost with these . The node digital volume control sounds great imo. I’ve not used straight in aes ebu but Genelec recommend it as an adapter if you have a rca dig coax out, so you have to use it anyway.
It's such a shame they look so ugly to me. I understand why they use the shape but couldn't they house that shape in a box like way ,on the outside?.. Thank you for the review.
why anybody would pay 6K$ for genelec 8040 with stands lol, yea bit more power on amps but its same Tymphany drivers, get Genelec 8340 if you want same amps same everything for 2K$
@@13thnotehifireviews7 Simon!...Now you're talking,, 2 timeless classics....I used to work with late great Pete Harris and Kickin. Seeing that label brought back a ton of memories of a remarkable period in music...thanks for that.
Good to see you back!
Hello. I have really enjoyed watching your reviews on the different Genelec speakers. There are not a lot of audiophiles reviewing Genelecs, so I appreciate what you are doing with your channel. In your review of the 6040's, you mentioned their bass performance. Do you think they need a subwoofer? How does the bass performance of the 6040's compare to the 8030 and 7350 combination you reviewed? I look forward to your response. Thanks, Jim
Simon! Great, again and again. You do surprise us with great content and production. Happy holidays to you to.
glad to see you back!
Yay! New video! Thank you! Your video editing and composing skills are amazing!
Thank you Jose.
Great to see you back Simon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very nice touch with Chopin! Glad to see you're back.
i enjoyed the acid house comparison too. i love both Chopin and LFO, and the ability to play both well (sometimes I wonder if it's even a consideration) is pretty elusive!
Great to see you again!
Glad to see another brilliant video by your hands. My god, this quality (both the clear content and especially the visuals) is absolutely unique on You Tube. Please keep up this good work and happy holidays to you and your beloved. Greetings from the Netherlands !
Thank you Jan. And merry Xmas to you and your family too.
Glad you are back! I really do appreciate your videos!
I appreciate that!
This is quite brilliant. The visuals get better every day, and this is one of those days where I really DO want to try a set of those speakers with the subwoofer. Connected to my dCS and Naim probably. A former mate used these in their plain aluminium guise and they sounded GREAT! More bass than I expected as well! Such a pity you're quitting, but quite understandable...
Nice to have you back Simon 😊
Thanks Simon! Merry Christmas to you too. We miss you.
Brilliant video. Thanks Simon.
Immaculately produced review as usual, thanks Simon and all the best for '23
Thanks Simon for the review and amazing video 3d demo
fantastic content; would love to own some Genelec's someday. However the Harbeth 30.2xd are what I'm budgeting for in my smaller room. I've got maggie 1.7i for my primary listening room but the Harbeth sound is just so sweet in terms of mid range and vocal quality. I heard the 30.2 and really want the badly especially for late night low volume listening with a nice glass of Bourbon.
Merry Christmas to you!
Merry Christmas! I appreciate you.
Thank you so much Andy. Very kind . Merry Xmas to you too.
Merry Christmas, and I do hope you continue to post reviews, despite your previously stated intention to quit reviewing. All the best.
SIMON,IT IS GREAT TO SEE 👀 YOU BACK…🤷♂️even if we note that this is not the 13th😊💚💚💚
Excellent review thank you.
Another great video. You deserve way more subscribers!
Thanks , TH-cam’s a numbers game though - 🥱 I prefer taking my time and making something I’m proud of.
Great 3D video Simon, nice speakers and good technical advice
Merry Christmas Simon
Thanks Richard, and to you too.
Production value on point, man.
Thanks very much
Excellent comparison to the ATC 40A, quite a famous speaker, so it really puts the Genelecs in a practical perspective.
Pfhhh,, I thought we had lost u Simon,, 😬.
Im very happy to see you back,, 🤩.
Where to sign up for Patreon?
Cheers, happy holidays and thank you soooo much for your time and work, Mr Masterreviewer,, 🍻🥰👍👍.
Thanks I’ll still do the odd one but I want to concentrate on monetising videography in 2023.
Simon,
Best wishes over the holidays and I wish you well on your new efforts in video production.
You have really spurred my interest in the genelec products. I’m curious what your thoughts are on the smaller versions with their pro woofers verses going to the 6.5” - 8” without the woofer?
In any event, thanks for sharing this video and I hope that you enjoy your holidays.
Take care….John
Thanks very much John, I’m always happy to help but I do so on PayPal or patreon because I think if people value my further advice….also bearing in mind how much people spend on hifi. It’s not really the amount but the principle
Merry Christmas from New York
Merry Christmas :)
They're often to be seen in Scandinavian tv series (detectives) as wel.
BBC use Genelec in their radio stations - happened to go into my local radio station once, and Genelec were everywhere.
Nice intro man.
excellent review outstanding video. ho ho ho to u 2. hope santa delivers u. health and happiness for 2023 thanku thank u thank u. cheers
I really like your reviews. Have you compared the node via digital vs good dac/ streamer via xlr? Running my Genelec 8340 via nuprime dac9/ifi zen stream today.
I guess you have not made any comparison? 😊
Honestly these would be cracking good, and such a brilliant solution. For +/- $6000, you get EVERYTHING, and audiophile level design, engineering, and build. The styling is really the only thing I can thing one would objectively have issue with (style to me is a bit.....sort of Chinese blob thermoplastic essence, but I know it all has function). But it's brilliant: no preamp, no amp, no dac, no speaker cables, no 'sort of proper' stands, etc. The only 'fancy' cables needed are from streamer to unit, and maybe the power cables to the speakers. The only thing I think would sort of set people back might be no more tweaking and swapping of gear!!!!!!
Respect your view, thanks for adding. I think the days of speakers all needing to be wood are going and because of new modern spaces. Probably why we see brands making speakers in off tone colours like greys, and greens etc. Also sustainability issues of making wood cases and veneers and not from sustainable sources - another feather in genelecs cap which I didn’t mention is the aluminium is from recycled sources. How many speaker firms will be using the material from your old speakers - people care about that sort of thing nowadays.
Interesting speaker design and industrial, rough surface finish. But for that money I'd go for the Buchardt A500 or - if you have a bigger roorm - A700. They both go much deeper in the bass and with the wireless hub you have less cables running around and also have dsp sound control with room correction. And you have the option of a cardioid directivity which is not possible with any Genelec speaker.
I tried the passive S400 mk2’s and they are lovely speakers, although having said that I’d sooner have these Genelec’s than the S400 mk2’s and a Naim Supernait 3, which is way more money. Although I haven’t tried the A500’s, I suspect I would be going towards these Genelec’s. Reason?….First the room correction works a bit better than the i150/Buchardt app I have used with the i150 review I did, which is the same in use with the A500 - you get a calibrated mic for more precise calibration over the full range with Genelec GLM. Buchardt use iPhones remember and are set to only correct for bass better as Mads Buchardt told me - see i150 video.
On cables, the GLM Ethernet cables can be removed once you set up GLM, plus you have power cables on the Buchardt’s anyway so it’s only two cables in normal use with these Genelec’s - power and one digital / analogue cable, which arguably can just be loomed together.
The sound quality of Genelec is more proven I think too, particularly in a studio sense, and the GLM software has much more in it and it’s clearly been developed much more. Things like full room reports, multipoint calibration etc. I like what the passive radiators do with the S400 mk2’s but when you add rear firing active drivers into a speaker you are creating boundary effects that you are then trying to sort out in less precise room correction software, relative to GLM. So whether cardioid directivity is a good thing is questionable, but correcting after that doesn’t seem to make sense to me. As I say the GLM software corrects for peaks and dips in the response much better than the iPhone Buchardt app for the A500’s / i150. As I understand it, the Buchardt app is based on algorithms in measuring your room at different points which may not be perfect in a final result, whereas GLM is more purist in giving you the results from the listening position and letting you tweak it accordingly with more shelf adjustments too.
The master tunings look a nice touch for different uses, but you can’t help think room correction needs for more there. In my experience (NAD M33) Dirac is very good for HiFi because it can correct for a perfectly flat response which you can then tailor, but it depends, like I said in the review, how much truck is placed on room correction because not everyone wants or likes it and it often just comes down to the inherent quality of the speakers. A dealer friend I know sets up room correction for customers to regularly just prefer the sound without correction. Looking at the pedigree of Genelec, they would not be one I’d miss a trial of, in a buying decision for active speakers, based on design and materials reputation, build quality, market standing, not based on any of these things which are hugely open to debate and technical discourse.
Having said that the aluminium construction is I think huge too in getting inert speakers at this size where you don’t want colouration, as I said in the video. Maybe using aluminium with a sealed cabinet and no rear driver, probably makes for a faster speaker than the Buchardt although that’s one for a speaker designer. Cheers.
currently running Hs8 - for Dj in small room - whats your thoughts switching to genelec and which ones ?
@13th Note HiFi Reviews Genelec references the critical listening distance for many of their monitors, the majority of which are stated to be within 2 meters. Are you saying that listening distances can be further than this? Possibly 3m-4m? (I really appreciate your reviews btw).
Thanks. I listen about 2.5m but you’ll have no issue at 3-4m at all !
Id hazard a guess bigger driver than normal Genelecs , bigger internal space as a sealed non ported design playing out to creating displacement of the main driver, powerful 150w drivers and a bit more than some Genelecs and the ideal you are not then just getting direct sound of a smaller near field design , if that makes sense to you? Welcome your thoughts.
@@13thnotehifireviews7 I'm merely a consumer fascinated by the genelec monitors. I have a large space and I'd like very much for them to work ~4m-5m seating distance. I'm primarily a 2 (or 2.1) channel stereo listener, but atmos intrigues me. Thank you for all you do.
On mobile so not easy to find, but I know Genelec has recommended listening distances for all their monitors on their site. I remember they’re a bit longer than assumed. Some their bigger ones are made to be sitting more than a meter or two away.
Nice review, how do you adjust the volume when you use the digital output from the node?
Thank you. You use the volume slider as I showed if you were watching closely Tony. Or in the relevant app - bluOS or Roon etc.
Thank you for the answer. Do you think there is degradation in sound quality using the digital volume control or has bluesound succeeded in making a good implementation? How do you think the impedance converter affect the sound quality?
I have 8330 and 7350 feed by nuprime dac 9se and sonos as streamer, but thinking of going fully digital.
They recommend the digital connection foremost with these . The node digital volume control sounds great imo. I’ve not used straight in aes ebu but Genelec recommend it as an adapter if you have a rca dig coax out, so you have to use it anyway.
Thanks 🙏
How do you compare this with KEF LS 60?
Never tried it so wouldn’t have a scooby do. 🤔
do they have same frequency as 8040?
Not sure, best check specs or contact Genelec.
It's such a shame they look so ugly to me.
I understand why they use the shape but couldn't they house that shape in a box like way ,on the outside?..
Thank you for the review.
I suppose that avoids the minimum defraction sound.
why anybody would pay 6K$ for genelec 8040 with stands lol, yea bit more power on amps but its same Tymphany drivers, get Genelec 8340 if you want same amps same everything for 2K$
A £600 streamer with £6000 actives? Surely not.
Yes all you need, the expensive streamer transport is one of the biggest cons in hifi
@@13thnotehifireviews7 you're probably right, is it a good way to spend £7K on a hifi system though.
? Don’t know what you mean
LFO, Prodigy, Shades Of Rhythm and no mention of Orbital....Shame on you brother ;)
Oh yeah Dave - a bit of Belfast from the first album , or this lesser known track th-cam.com/video/TNRa28zUGmo/w-d-xo.html
Or this one th-cam.com/video/wZ4aQ-TMDnI/w-d-xo.html
@@13thnotehifireviews7 Simon!...Now you're talking,, 2 timeless classics....I used to work with late great Pete Harris and Kickin. Seeing that label brought back a ton of memories of a remarkable period in music...thanks for that.
On the main topic of Genelec... I've been using them in one form or another on a daily basis for over 30 years...Remarkable speakers.