What Is The Shaded Area?

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  • This popular problem is stumping everyone, and many, many people emailed it to me. I give extra thanks Chaitanya from India who was the first person who sent it to me. I also thank David K, Achille Hui, and Seyed who found geometric solutions to this problem when I posted it to Math StackExchange. Watch the video for 3 ways to solve this problem!
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  • @MindYourDecisions
    @MindYourDecisions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +389

    The first comment is from 1 month ago because I posted it to Math StackExchange where I received great help: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3016718/a-way-to-find-this-area-without-calculus
    Early comments also come from Patreon, as I do my best to give early access to supporters on Patreon: www.patreon.com/mindyourdecisions
    And finally, thanks for 1 million subscribers! We are building one of the best mathematical communities in the world. Thank you.

    • @jonbell3531
      @jonbell3531 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi Mind your decisions, isn't the solution just a specially sheared version of a slice of the upper semicircle limited by points P and Q?

    • @matheusmendes4969
      @matheusmendes4969 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hey, I solved it in a different way that does not require as much knowledge of trigonometry!

    • @canaDavid1
      @canaDavid1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Now noone has an excuse for saying "first"

    • @Doppio5
      @Doppio5 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi mind your decisions I have a problem for you:
      In a trapeze abcd (ab||dc)
      The ac and bd diagrams are cut at point e the ratio between the bases is 4:9 and the area of the triangular bec is 108
      What is the area of the whole trapeze?

    • @juanperezmondragon1676
      @juanperezmondragon1676 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Matheus Mendes yeah I also did it , well I used basic geometry and one equation system.

  • @rayvon2806
    @rayvon2806 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7125

    Just check the resolution of picture and count the red pixels. It will be surprisingly accurate.

    • @onnilattu9138
      @onnilattu9138 5 ปีที่แล้ว +586

      Yeah this is big brain time.

    • @sayantan2201
      @sayantan2201 5 ปีที่แล้ว +730

      That is actually a legit answer. The method is Monte Carlo method.

    • @technosiam4480
      @technosiam4480 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Tell me this
      Sfhnxdkmvddghcssasfhkkmnjggcghjhy cnbvyul iyvvjygvbjuydfvjjnnb hgjjbffhjgtynoolmnbc hhyrszxvnklopplkkjhgh

    • @Deibler666
      @Deibler666 4 ปีที่แล้ว +393

      That is the basis for calculus.

    • @DrTWG
      @DrTWG 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@technosiam4480 I see what you mean.

  • @slvtlv8696
    @slvtlv8696 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2968

    Another solution: print it on a paper, cut out the red part, weight it, divide by the total weight.

    • @adrianpaweek3298
      @adrianpaweek3298 4 ปีที่แล้ว +370

      this may sound funny but it's how they did it before calculus/geometry was common, in fact no so long ago, math became more common in 18th century or so

    • @wifebeater69
      @wifebeater69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +144

      @ then print a modified picture of it without the red part colored in

    • @mohammedarjunaid1495
      @mohammedarjunaid1495 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Lame

    • @adrianpaweek3298
      @adrianpaweek3298 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @Aryan Sharma you think from perspective of today. Note that only few in only few nations knew this in ancient times. Rest of nation was not able to read or write. What more geometry was expressed primarily graphically, there wasn't kind of todays' equations.

    • @sextupledvanillabeans559
      @sextupledvanillabeans559 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Engineers vs mathematicians

  • @PhoenixLive_YT
    @PhoenixLive_YT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2339

    -"the first method is simple"
    me: "alright, this might be the first time where i can solve a hard Math problem on my ow..."
    -"shows space rocket schematic"
    me: "okay, next video"

    • @schwartzseymour357
      @schwartzseymour357 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I'm just watching it to see what I DON'T understand.

    • @janjan55555
      @janjan55555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@schwartzseymour357 Just watch the first method, the other ones are waaaay too abstract and you're needlessly complicating things. With some knowledge of geometry and testing your 3D logical insight it's fairly doable.
      If you lack these concepts, yeah this video is as good as impossible for any newbie.

    • @williamhexberg6748
      @williamhexberg6748 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@janjan55555 I disagree. If you know integral calculus, the third method is VERY straight forward, and is definitely the way I would have went before he even mentioned the geometric solutions.

    • @janjan55555
      @janjan55555 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@williamhexberg6748 I do and I still disagree with your method

    • @jerryliu6150
      @jerryliu6150 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@janjan55555 To me the integral method feels brute force and it’s the way I went about solving it before watching the explanation. I was expecting some clever/creative geometry trick and it turned out to be really simple. I just couldn’t see it.

  • @AntonOrSomething
    @AntonOrSomething 3 ปีที่แล้ว +304

    I'm proud of myself for this one. It is the first time I solved one of your math puzzles. It took me like an hour but I got the right result of 9.77
    I'm only 14 years old and I've never had anything like this in school before.

    • @Soefae
      @Soefae 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Ayo good job!!

    • @AntonOrSomething
      @AntonOrSomething 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@Soefae lol, you answer on my 11 month old comment. But anyways, thank you

    • @commonlogicart1604
      @commonlogicart1604 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@AntonOrSomething out of curiosity, if you didn’t learn it in school then where did you learn it? And which method did you use?

    • @AntonOrSomething
      @AntonOrSomething 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@commonlogicart1604 I found some method to calculating the different circle pieces area, and subtracting them.
      But it's almost a year ago, so I don't remember exactly what I did.

    • @tomomi1
      @tomomi1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I'm 14 too and I get 21.4

  • @outernetisdangerous
    @outernetisdangerous 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1015

    I’m majoring in Mechanical Engineering and the calculus method seemed to be the easiest method. 😂

    • @KingBobXVI
      @KingBobXVI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      It included the most important step I remember from my calculus class - "annnd... skip some steps".
      Though in my class this was the "and from there... it's obvious" step :P

    • @MAKChaosLander
      @MAKChaosLander 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I dont think so, its easier to error with calculus, and more work demanding in my opnion. If you can work with basic algebra or geometry and have a good trig perception you should use it. Calculus is too powerfull, like trying to catch a fly with a gun when you have a fly swatter.

    • @theunique140
      @theunique140 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      1! +2!+ 3! +...........25! divided by 13 then what will be the remainder left?

    • @jjm7797
      @jjm7797 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@theunique140 Using python.
      x = 0
      for i in range(1,26):
      x += factorial(i)
      x%13
      = 9

    • @goudaeater5107
      @goudaeater5107 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@theunique140
      If you're still looking for an answer, you can do it like that
      1! + 2! + 3! + ... + 12! + 0 (x!%13 = 0 for x>=13)
      1(1 + 2(1 + 3(1 + 4(1+5(1+6(1+7(1+8(1+9(1+10(1+11(1+12))))))))))) % 13
      11*(12+1) = 11*0
      10*1
      9*11 = 99, 99%13 = 8
      8*9 = 72, 72%13 = 7
      7*8 = 56, 56%13 = 4
      6*5 = 30, 30%13 = 4
      5*5 = 25, 25%13 = 12
      4*0 = 0
      3*1 = 3
      2*4 = 8
      1*9 = 9

  • @halfmoon26
    @halfmoon26 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1036

    i have enough problems in my life

  • @vk4289
    @vk4289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    For those who are wondering where π came for θ, it is the radian system or circular system for angles. 180 degree = π radian. And 1 radian = 57 degree (approx). *And 1 radian can also be represented by the angle formed at the centre of a circle by 2 radii separated by an arc of 1 unit length (on the circumference of the circle)*

    • @Mike-rw1jw
      @Mike-rw1jw ปีที่แล้ว +1

      this is a 7th grade problem

    • @pleasedontlookforme8036
      @pleasedontlookforme8036 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mike-rw1jw akshully I could do it at 1st grade 🤡

  • @askanddevanand4651
    @askanddevanand4651 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Any mathematics enthusiast will be blessed by finding this channel...Hats off to the creator❤️🎉🙏👍

  • @AhmedHan
    @AhmedHan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +894

    Next video: Put many circles inside a square; make most of them pass from intersections of other circles. Find the most absurd looking piece of area. And then solve for it.

    • @Kyle-ns4yk
      @Kyle-ns4yk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @Tokisaki Kurumi using only a ouija board

    • @massimookissed1023
      @massimookissed1023 5 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      And then realise a 7 year old Korean kid solved it quicker than you did.

    • @pkmelodies3426
      @pkmelodies3426 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      U don't have any other work or what?🤔😑

    • @karljo8064
      @karljo8064 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      haha, this one is so complicated i don't want to watch through it.

    • @sayoriutsugj2856
      @sayoriutsugj2856 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      AhmedHan that actually sounds fun

  • @mamertvonn
    @mamertvonn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    you know i've been watching a couple of your vids and there's usually a common theme in finding the correct answer. Either you use coordinates or geometry. When using geometry there's always one rule... find triangle and you'll find the answer.
    Just throwing that out. It's amazing to how much extent you can use this simple concepts to solve something like this

    • @mathpedia1
      @mathpedia1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solve this problem guys. This is a challenge for you. Problem given in the link below.
      th-cam.com/video/pgWx7CipFlo/w-d-xo.html

    • @cdmcfall
      @cdmcfall 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yup. This is exactly why trigonometry is taught as a standalone course and not as the subset of geometry that it is.

  • @nilsastrup8907
    @nilsastrup8907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I Just loooooove the feeling when you can use so many different solutions to find the same answers. Keep up the good work!

    • @muhammadwaleedarshad4444
      @muhammadwaleedarshad4444 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I once solved this really hard Q in class which no one could solve and then the teacher told us how to do it and his method was completely different than mine but we had the same answers.

  • @junaidseedat7852
    @junaidseedat7852 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    The amount of work that goes into your videos is truly phenomenal 🙌

  • @svenminoptra756
    @svenminoptra756 5 ปีที่แล้ว +821

    I used the 4 option.... I watched the video

    • @pratyushabala9136
      @pratyushabala9136 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Me too 😅

    • @winu1981
      @winu1981 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sven Minoptra , 😂😂😂😂 I did the same

  • @bennyfactr6122
    @bennyfactr6122 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1355

    If I only had 5min to solve, I would answer "definitely less than 100" & walk away

    • @natepolidoro4565
      @natepolidoro4565 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      exactly

    • @hendrilibrata3353
      @hendrilibrata3353 5 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      "definitely less than 50" to be more accurate

    • @eggyrepublic
      @eggyrepublic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @TheMutedGamer I would bet it was less than 18. (haven't watched yet)

    • @idmarilamri6398
      @idmarilamri6398 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      Well definetely more than zero

    • @danpat8135
      @danpat8135 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @Yash Hriddha I bet it's 9.77

  • @geminwanzo
    @geminwanzo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    9:00 instead of using trig functions, we can also apply the similar triangles rule. Find the ratio of the kite triangle and smaller triangle hypotenuse, then their areas have ratio to the square

  • @mariagabrielasouza356
    @mariagabrielasouza356 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hello! I am from Brazil and I love your channel. Thanks for everything

  • @fc63457
    @fc63457 5 ปีที่แล้ว +390

    Option 4 - Depending on how many sig figs you need.
    Step 1: Find a sheet of graphing paper.
    Step 2: Sse a compass and rulers to draw out the figure.
    Step 3: Spend the last 3 hours of the exam to count the number of little squares.

    • @sykes1024
      @sykes1024 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      This is essentially how some computer programs compute areas. They just make the squares small enough so that they get the desired precision and of course they can count the squares much faster :)

    • @user-mx4sx1ul8h
      @user-mx4sx1ul8h 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      마인드 유어 디시젼

    • @swipingeverymoment
      @swipingeverymoment 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@user-mx4sx1ul8h dak chua!!

    • @AlexanderGieg
      @AlexanderGieg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I work at a railway testing lab. There's a test that involves pressing a rubber pad in between a mechanical actuator and a cast iron mold with small high relief squares carved on it, over which a powder is spread. You place the rubber pad, press it using a specific pressure, and leave it there for a while. Afterwards you remove the pressure, shoots a photo of the rubber side with the square marks the powder made, transfer that photo to a computer, and have it calculate the ratio powdered area vs. non-powered area by literally counting how many pixels in the photo got this or that color and dividing one number by the other.

    • @mochdrew3364
      @mochdrew3364 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what I would do in exam..

  • @bhcf2m
    @bhcf2m 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I paused the video and solved the problem on my own before watching the full video. I approached it geometrically. I did it in my head without even using paper and pencil. I thought it was quite simple. I continued to watched the full video just to make sure I got the same answer. I was surprised that all the 3 methods in the videos are so long. Below is the outline of my method. Using the same labelling as 00:34 of the video,
    Area of shape DPQ = Area of shape DPQC - Area of shape DQC.
    It is easy to see that the shape DPQC repeated 4 time will fill the square. So the area of DPQC is just 25.
    Next step is to solve for area of shape DQC. Let midpoint of DC be E.
    Area of DQC = Area of sector QEC + Area of quadrilateral DEQA - Area of sector DAQ.
    It can be easily checked that Angle QEC = 2 * Angle QDC = Angle QAD = 2 * tan^-1(0.5).
    Therefore, Area of shape DQC = pi * 5^2 * (2 * tan^-1(0.5)/2pi) + 2 * 1/2 * 5 * 10 - pi * 10^2 * (2 * tan^-1(0.5)/2pi)
    =50 - 75*tan^-1(0.5)
    Finally, Area of DPQ = Area of shape DPQC - Area of shape DQC
    = 25 - (50 - 75*tan^-1(0.5))
    = 75*tan^-1(0.5) -25
    This is the same answer.
    I didn't finish reading all the 1.5k comments. But so far among the comments I've read, I haven't seen a similar method. This is the first time I see this problem. I'm not sure whether or not this method above has been posted before elsewhere on the internet.

    • @GGReaver
      @GGReaver 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Finally an elegant solution without huge calculations and variables. Bravo!

    • @bhcf2m
      @bhcf2m 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GGReaver Thanks for taking notice of my solution. I thought no-one would bother reading it 😆

  • @GillesF31
    @GillesF31 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The method by the integrales is great !!! And it's a good mean to understand how powerful are the integral concept and tool !!! Very nice video !!!

  • @tomcruz9866
    @tomcruz9866 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I just recently discovered your channel. I did the problem with both methods, the area subtraction using geometry (since that stood out to me) and the calculus way (because that just made sense integrals for the win). I set up the problems in my head and didn't particularly solve for an exact solution. Once that was done I finished watching the video. I m glad my physics/math brain is always on the ball great problem. Math is just awesome!

  • @naif277
    @naif277 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1713

    It's funny how calculus is 10 time easier than geometriy

    • @avhuf
      @avhuf 5 ปีที่แล้ว +357

      that's because the calculus way is the robot way, the geometric way is the intelligent way.

    • @SticklyDaKing
      @SticklyDaKing 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      avhuf why is it robot

    • @goyonman9655
      @goyonman9655 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      No it's not

    • @shilpimitra5342
      @shilpimitra5342 5 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      @@SticklyDaKing because u don't need to use a lot of ur brain , even a 10 th grade student can solve it that way given hr know all the formulas

    • @charli216
      @charli216 5 ปีที่แล้ว +119

      Calculus is mostly used to program computers and calculators which uses the same definite way to solve one type of questions. Intelligent ways are much more diverse and allows shortcuts that cannot be discovered by machines. It also varies from one person to another, signifies creativity. Unlike calculus, geometry defines intelligences that a machine will never have. (Unless somebody invented artificial intelligence that will eventually cause global extinction.)

  • @randomthoughts6067
    @randomthoughts6067 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm proud to report I sat through the entire video without skipping. That alone is an accomplishment given how little I understand anything that was said.

  • @mohabatkhanmalak1161
    @mohabatkhanmalak1161 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did't solve it but just watched the solutions. Very interesting, and of the three I think the second solution is simpler and better. The Calculus solution is very drawn out and would need a person who is good at it - we all can be good at Calculus, just keep practicing and memorize first pricipals. Thanks for posting and really enjoy your maths videos.

  • @JaydentheMathGuy
    @JaydentheMathGuy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Thanks, dude you made me realized I need to retake Calculus and Integration.

    • @mathpedia1
      @mathpedia1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solve this problem guys. This is a challenge for you. Problem given in my channel.

  • @pratiksarve
    @pratiksarve 5 ปีที่แล้ว +472

    I put this in AutoCAD
    😎😎😎
    Ans - 9.7736

    • @ahmedmonjid5696
      @ahmedmonjid5696 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      you are THE MAN

    • @mayanktomar5022
      @mayanktomar5022 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      9.773570675

    • @pratiksarve
      @pratiksarve 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ahmedmonjid5696 Thanks man

    • @pratiksarve
      @pratiksarve 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mayanktomar5022 exactly

    • @-shadowz-5933
      @-shadowz-5933 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      How did you measure the area of the shape? (I created the same things as shown in the video but I can't measure it)

  • @siamvat
    @siamvat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, this was so brilliant! I've got stuck with the area of lenses. I tried to get the area of circle fractions, then I tried to subtract them, but it needed the lens part. Thank you so much for teaching me how to calculate new shape!

  • @pain6797
    @pain6797 4 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    Me: I know calculus well
    Me after watching this: I know nothing about calculus

    • @kaos7012
      @kaos7012 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Facts. I haven't even begun learning integral calculus, only differential, so I found the geometry a million times easier to understand.

    • @DanTheManTerritorial
      @DanTheManTerritorial 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This was basic calculus actually, you do have some problems

    • @kameronrogers4000
      @kameronrogers4000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@DanTheManTerritorial lmao, you have the reduction formulas memorized?

    • @kameronrogers4000
      @kameronrogers4000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't feel bad, unfortunately this problem calculus wise is very reliant on formulas from table of integrals. The solving was largely done by the reduction formulas, which I don't think any reasonable calc teacher would expect u to have memorized because they don't pop up that often, outside of situations like this where the curves happen to be parts of circles.

    • @pankajdas142
      @pankajdas142 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kameronrogers4000 no it would if you have enough practice of indefinite integration during 12th std, or even if you face such difficulty later you could always look on internet, these are basic reduction

  • @andrewwwmnt
    @andrewwwmnt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Love your vids! Please don't stop!

  • @monkklein8282
    @monkklein8282 5 ปีที่แล้ว +219

    One of the best math channels of TH-cam, greetings from Brazil!

    • @shyamsn2124
      @shyamsn2124 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yes really

    • @l.3ok
      @l.3ok 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Papa Flamme ficou triste agora

    • @gustavol2500
      @gustavol2500 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Super exatas>>>

    • @gustavol2500
      @gustavol2500 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Xande god

    • @goyonman9655
      @goyonman9655 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah
      This and 3Blue1Brown

  • @epimaths
    @epimaths 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for your helpful lecture. The method of subtracting area to calculate the area of ​​the figure to find.

  • @ihavetowait90daystochangem67
    @ihavetowait90daystochangem67 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for making me feel like I learned both something and nothing in this video

  • @SuperMariocapo
    @SuperMariocapo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I solved this problem using calculus, it was the fastest and easiest way, in my opinion. I really liked the other two geometric forms of solving it!

  • @cubeeater6458
    @cubeeater6458 4 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    Your first "little lens" can be calculated much simpler, namely as the 5x5 square without the two other shapes, so that's 25 - (25 - quarter circle) - (25 - quarter circle), so that is a half circle of radius 5, minus 25 all in all, making it 12.5pi - 25. That's a whole lot faster than your "lens" calculation.

    • @--Za
      @--Za 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've had a similar reasoning to do that part (square - 2 whole circles and then divide by 4).
      I wish there is a close way (substract areas) to solve the second part... i'm pretty sure there is one but i can't find it

    • @AlexKuz
      @AlexKuz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Isn't this basically a way he went in the second option?

    • @Nicolas-zf3pv
      @Nicolas-zf3pv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      His first “little lens” could be calculated in the way you showed, but what about the second “little lens”? You probably will need a different method to solve it, on the other hand, his method of the first “little lens” was applicable to the second lens, thus, saving him time and making the overall solution easier, at least in my opinion. How would you calculate the second “little lens”?

    • @m4rkus618
      @m4rkus618 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did the same.

    • @ruce9269
      @ruce9269 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@--Za did the exact same thing and the second part is bothering, you need to get the area of about 6.47 by using the circles but I cant seem to figure out how

  • @kingcrimson1631
    @kingcrimson1631 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! What an amazing problem. I used something close to the long geometric method. However, I wouldn't call this 'insanely hard' compared to some of the other maths problems on your channel haha. Really interesting to see the different methods of solution

  • @jiahgl
    @jiahgl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    okay, at the end of the video, you asked if i got this question and what method I used, but I did Not in fact get an answer, but I had the thought process of what methods I would have used which were all correct. I haven't been in math for two going onto three years, but I knew and followed everything you were explaining. Made me smile

  • @tomcsvan
    @tomcsvan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    I literally looked at the thumbnail and tried to solve it for 10 mins. My friend said “are you looking for something on the screen?”

    • @theunique140
      @theunique140 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      1! +2!+ 3! +...........25! divided by 13 then what will be the remainder left?

    • @joseluiscuervolopez-mora1814
      @joseluiscuervolopez-mora1814 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I graphically solved it without paper after looking for hour and a half HAHAHAHA ocd

  • @kayy2823
    @kayy2823 5 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    And i was there thinking i can do it in my head with my calc 🤣

    • @mathpedia1
      @mathpedia1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solve this problem guys. This is a challenge for you. Problem given in my channel.

  • @markjust86
    @markjust86 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    🤯 I get the second solution best out of all of them but I wouldn't have got there in a million years and I wouldn't be able to do it even now without watching this again!

  • @DaBestNub
    @DaBestNub 3 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    I’m just gonna pretend I understand what he said

    • @baslelassefa6668
      @baslelassefa6668 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hahahahahaha so so good to know its not just me

    • @G-raverobber
      @G-raverobber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i could solve the yellow one with an easier formula
      but i will have to pretend to know about the blue one

    • @-Chicken_
      @-Chicken_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What his teacher hears: So if 3 - 2 = 1 it means that 1 is the answer
      What I hear:
      So if the power of xy squared divided by 5.73x10 to the power of -82 you can calculate the coefficients of angles bdgx2 and x over y to the power of 68 in an a standard form and that’s how you calculate the efficiency of booster 2 in a 2500 litre rocket...

  • @justpaulo
    @justpaulo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow! You really had a lot of work with this one! Great job!
    I used a mix of methods. For the 5x5 lens, I used geometry b/c its very easy to calculate: Area of 1/2 circle with radius 5 - 1/4 Square area.
    For the 5x10 lens I used calculus, but I turned the original pic upside down. So then it became integral of smaller circle from x=0 to 8 minus the integral of the larger circle from x=0 to 8. To solve the "sqrt's" integrals I had to look it up in a table of common indefinite integrals.
    PS: I also did it in the geometrical way, but my final solution uses arcCos function b/c I used the cosine law to determine the angle of the circumference arcs.

  • @clieding
    @clieding 5 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    I am still struggling with this problem so I haven‘t watched the solution- it is driving me nuts! I am not yet ready to give up. Wish me luck. 🤔🙄😳😠😩

    • @sushiboy679
      @sushiboy679 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      u done yet?

    • @drew7311
      @drew7311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Affinizationz lmaoo 1 year later

    • @alistaw1866
      @alistaw1866 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I bet he stills solving it

    • @efhi
      @efhi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Updates ?

    • @Mike-iz9kh
      @Mike-iz9kh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I don't know of a way to do it without calculus. This isn't one of those "clever" problems that has a trick solution once you see it. Instead, it's a lot of grinding calculation.

  •  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the feeling when you can use so many different solutions to find the same answer. So great!

  • @mahdi7d1rostami
    @mahdi7d1rostami 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Same with me.
    As soon as I saw the picture I thought this is to complicated to think about. Let's just integrate and get it over with. But I knew for sure there must be a geometric solution.

  • @johnnull1375
    @johnnull1375 5 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I did not calculate it, I guesstimated 10%, being a building contractor has it's perks ! ;)

    • @adi-sngh
      @adi-sngh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol

    • @cubeeater6458
      @cubeeater6458 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      "its" used as a genitive gets no apostrophe.

    • @SpaghettiRuin
      @SpaghettiRuin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@cubeeater6458 dude, get a life.

    • @hisham_hm
      @hisham_hm 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      whoa, that's great!

    • @robbrown7592
      @robbrown7592 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cubeeater6458 Ha ha. I couldn't do the maths problem, but like you I can see all the grammatical errors in the comments :-)

  • @m4rkus618
    @m4rkus618 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I used the 2nd method with some modifications. When calculating the blue shape I first calculated both of the sectors, and then I took the total "kite" area (= 50) and substracted one of the sectors from it to get the part of the other sector that is outside the blue lens. And then I simply subtracted this area from that other sector to calculate the blue shape. Seems to be easier.

  • @user-nx9lt6ir5b
    @user-nx9lt6ir5b 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this channel ,it is great!!

  • @marcelofaviodesigner
    @marcelofaviodesigner 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    THe calculus method is very elegant. Congratulations. I def lack the skills but I get some of the geometrical solutions thou.

  • @thousandwater
    @thousandwater 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As soon as I saw this picture, the word "calculus " came to my mind, even though I had no idea how exactly...

    • @mathpedia1
      @mathpedia1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solve this problem guys. This is a challenge for you. Problem given in my channel.

  • @striker8445
    @striker8445 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I liked it at the end when he said "did you figured out this problem ?" XD
    Please have mercy

  • @leopoldsalzbrenner7791
    @leopoldsalzbrenner7791 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it! I actually tried to solve it for about an hour. Then I gave up. I used a smilar methode like your first one, I even used triangles but only once instead of twice and could have hit myself as you explained it lol

  • @BamThwok76
    @BamThwok76 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was fun! Reminds me of being in university long ago, thank you.

  • @blooper5li
    @blooper5li 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I ended up a lot closer than I expected. I've been challenging myself recently to not use a calculator while solving problems, so when I tried using the geometric solution mentioned here, I ran into a major snag when having to calculate the inverse tangent. I ended up taking a best guess on it based on what looked right for the problem and ended up with a final answer of "9.9 or a little less". I'm surprised that I ended up using the correct method though. Usually geometry is my Achilles Heel for mathematics. I didn't even consider using calculus to solve for the answer, which surprises me given how much I tend to default to it.

  • @takyc7883
    @takyc7883 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I did integrals but I’m finding a common theme. Whenever looking for an area of a circular shape, find a right angle triangle that splits the needed area into a right triangle and a proportion of the circle

  • @aswinos6400
    @aswinos6400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My hearty thanks:from India

  • @ciemathsolutions
    @ciemathsolutions 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanations! Thank you for this very detailed solutions.

    • @praneethkunala3733
      @praneethkunala3733 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      can u please explain to me how did he get those curve equations?

    • @praneethkunala3733
      @praneethkunala3733 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just got it he transformed the origin .

  • @karthikpakki1290
    @karthikpakki1290 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Presh, love your vids, very helpful and fun

  • @shiladityachakraborty6373
    @shiladityachakraborty6373 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    As an alternative, one might use symmetry and scale to simplify the solution.
    Steps:
    1) 'Symmetrize' the picture by drawing another quarter circle radius 10, centered at the TOP, RIGHT vertex of the square.
    This divides the square into 8 regions, of which 3 are pairwise identical, thereby resulting in 5 distinct shapes ( with areas x1 thru x5). Our target region (shown in red in video) is one of the paired regions (say x2).
    2) Express the areas of the small semicircle, the large quarter circle, and the square as linear equations in the variables x1 thru x5.
    3) Thus far we have 3 linear equations, (and 5 unknowns) so we need 2 more.
    These are a) The area of the small 'lens' region formed by the intersection of the two semicircles, which can be easily computed as described in the video, or otherwise.
    and b) The area of the larger 'lens' formed by the intersection of the two large quarter circle.
    Since the larger lens has the same shape and twice the linear dimensions as the smaller lens, its area is 4 times as large.
    4) Now we have a complete set of equations, from which x2 can be easily obtained.

    • @christophmayer3991
      @christophmayer3991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thought that would be the "best" solution as well when trying the problem on my own, but sadly the equation system is underdetermined and you can't solve for x2 (the red "wanted" region) with these equations alone. You somehow need to calculate the area of one of the "paired" regions on their own and for that you always need the right most corner of the red region (or its symmetrical counterpart). And at that point you can just use the calculus solution from the get go...

  • @birkest3220
    @birkest3220 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found the second method the most intuitive, but thank god for calculus for making things much easier

  • @viniciusfernandes2303
    @viniciusfernandes2303 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video!

  • @Retinetin
    @Retinetin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I literally just finished calc 3 this morning so it was still very fresh in my head. I was thinking "oh, you could do polar coordinates and use single or double integrals (whatever you fancy), broken up by the intersection point, with the origin being in the top-right corner"
    I actually hate that these solutions were significantly easier and used a much more basic version of math

    • @bloodraven2.036
      @bloodraven2.036 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea exactly, I was counting it by transforming into polar coordinates and in my head it was much easier with a double integral, than three basic integrals in cartesian

  • @GustaCakes
    @GustaCakes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Something tells me we may be able to solve this with a system of equations. I named each section with constants a --> f (with b being the objective), and got to b + e = pi*(10)^2/8. Only worked on it for a couple of minutes but I'm sure I can represent e (which would the the lower right section of the quarter circle) in terms of the total area of the square then I'm good! Thanks for sharing this Presh!

    • @MeTiMiTe
      @MeTiMiTe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you manage to do it that way, I'm really curious because I have been trying that myself but no results yet

    • @joseraimundo3387
      @joseraimundo3387 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did the same and got to a matrix 6x6. I’ve tried solve it using Cramer’s rule but didn’t work. So I had to appel to the integral method and found 11,0743. I still didn’t watch the video.

  • @candidfever3445
    @candidfever3445 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used hyperoperated calculus with stable equality with a trig failsafe, also including operation successorship. This method is unbeatable.

  • @conexant51
    @conexant51 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My first thought was to use calculus as well. It's just such a powerful tool.

  • @zangetsuzanpakuto5221
    @zangetsuzanpakuto5221 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    LETS GOOOO I ACTUALLY GOT ONE OF YOUR VIDEOS RIIGHTT ✊🏼😤 Damn I've never been so proud of myself lmao

  • @sushirl3036
    @sushirl3036 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Could you work out the area of the semi circles and the quarter circle, then add them up, then take away the area of the square, then since you have two layers of the required area then dive it by 2?

  • @srijoymukherjee2121
    @srijoymukherjee2121 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoy solving your questions. I think questions apart from geometry would be better

  • @i.apilado
    @i.apilado 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am so happy that answered it correctly

  • @kevinmartin7760
    @kevinmartin7760 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The second method seemed to me to just be the first method worked out twice with specific values for a and b. In both cases you find all the triangles etc.

    • @mathpedia1
      @mathpedia1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solve this problem guys. This is a challenge for you. Problem given in the link below.
      th-cam.com/video/pgWx7CipFlo/w-d-xo.html

  • @Rottwiler44
    @Rottwiler44 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    i just drew this up in Fusion360 and had it measure the area for me.

  • @chrisrybak4961
    @chrisrybak4961 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice. Before watching the video I managed to do it with method 2, but my calculus is way too rusty (engineering degree >30 years ago!) to have done method 3. But I must admit that back in those days that would have been the quickest go to solution.

  • @betanapallisandeepra
    @betanapallisandeepra 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for doing this… all solutions are good… I liked calculus one…

  • @WhySoSquid
    @WhySoSquid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    My ignorant younger self took AP Stats instead of AP Cal..so I did this the long geometric way, and essentially just nodded my head as you narrated the on-screen calc operations, like, "Yes, the audio appears to be in sync with the video here," so, long story short... 🙏
    I appreciate your videos, which make me wish I'd taken more maths courses at university, because I always enjoyed the subject and I ought to have continued to be good at it (Well, that wasn't very short, was it?) ✌️

  • @miikey_lol
    @miikey_lol 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Wait a second, this video was a month ago. Was it only for patreons or something?

    • @MindYourDecisions
      @MindYourDecisions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      You posted before my comment appeared...The first comment is from 1 month ago because I posted it to Math StackExchange where I received great help: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3016718/a-way-to-find-this-area-without-calculus
      Early comments also come from Patreon, as I do my best to give early access to supporters on Patreon: www.patreon.com/mindyourdecisions
      And finally, thanks for 1 million subscribers! We are building one of the best mathematical communities in the world. Thank you.

    • @mathpedia1
      @mathpedia1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solve this problem guys. This is a challenge for you. Problem given in my channel.

    • @corpo8630
      @corpo8630 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      why this have 69 likes ?

  • @mrmathcambodia2451
    @mrmathcambodia2451 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good solution , I like this .

  • @gomathisidheswaran6542
    @gomathisidheswaran6542 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Calculus part is nice. Verifications and comparisons of the three answers are interesting.

  • @ichigo449
    @ichigo449 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I solved this when I was a fetus in India.

  • @andrejsasd8904
    @andrejsasd8904 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When you showed that the length of the side of square is 10, my first guess was "the area is somewhere around 10". And then you showed that it is around 9.77. :D

  • @borjaroca1262
    @borjaroca1262 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Intersection between two equal circles in that position will always be (pi/2 - 1)*rˆ2. You can easily deduce it drawing the combination of the two circles into a square of its diameter.

  • @alakenno5497
    @alakenno5497 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much for this video

  • @kdmq
    @kdmq 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I literally wrote a python code to do this computationally:
    start with an nxn grid.
    Imagine a circle at point (0,0) of radius n. (circle 1)
    Imagine a circle at point (0,n/2) of radius n/2. (circle 2)
    Imagine a circle at point (n/2,0) of radius n/2. (circle 3)
    Loop through literally every point in the nxn grid.
    Add to variable A if the point is:
    inside circle 1 AND outside circle 2 AND inside circle 3.
    The ratio A/n^2 is the percentage of the square containing the area we want.
    Multiply by 100 square units and you have the answer to the question.
    I blew n up to 5000 and waited about 45 seconds for my code to run and I got 9.77,
    so there is a "Red Green" solution lol.

  • @chaitanyaatale.5626
    @chaitanyaatale.5626 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0:53 yeah

  • @withorem088
    @withorem088 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, it helps a lot

  • @anuradhaverma4350
    @anuradhaverma4350 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are really a super hero presh
    I love your maths tricks

  • @strangebird5974
    @strangebird5974 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    After watching the solutions, I realize that I'm simply mathematically undereducated, I didn't have the tools to solve it with what little trigonometry I remember from school. I guess, I'll have to start from scratch with basic maths if I want to be able to tackle problems like these... Oh well, it was fun trying to derive what I could with what little I could remember.

  • @rmsgrey
    @rmsgrey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    As an observation, the formula found for the area of a lens in the video is for the special case of a lens where the two circles meet at right angles - in general, you won't have right-angled triangles, and end up with a longer general formula (the standard version is given in terms of r and R, the two radii, and d, the distance between the two centers)

    • @goyonman9655
      @goyonman9655 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you state the longer one?

    • @we-are-electric1445
      @we-are-electric1445 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely. It's only going to be a right angle if you have a tangent which, as you say, is only in one special case. I'd stick with the calculus !

    • @goyonman9655
      @goyonman9655 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@we-are-electric1445
      But being bent at an angle other than 90 degrees would complicate the Cartesian plane needed for the integration

    • @we-are-electric1445
      @we-are-electric1445 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@goyonman9655 It is in two dimensions so the integration should be straightforward. I haven't checked the proof. The narrator seemed to be skipping bits from the part I listened to and his calculus explanation didn't seem clear. The key point is equating two of the curves to determine the x,y limit points through which you need to integrate. When people skip bits of an explanation most usually it's because they are so clever they expect everyone else sees the missing bits as obvious or they don't fully understand the proof. If he comes back and corrects me then fine but at least i hope he comes back with more information.

    • @goyonman9655
      @goyonman9655 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@we-are-electric1445
      Remember the dimensions of the square gave him values of points on the axes and how to pinpoint their values on the plane

  • @daniellemazzone7132
    @daniellemazzone7132 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great problem for AP Calc students!

  • @beginneratstuff
    @beginneratstuff ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember a few years ago I wasn't able to solve this. I was able to solve it today having learned calculus. The geometric way requires less calculations, but the critical thinking involved in that method would have taken me longer to be honest. So the calculus way was the fastest way to solve it for me.

  • @COZYTW
    @COZYTW 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I feel like if I just studied, revisited and rediscovered the maths I learned in polytechnic I'd be able to solve using both trigo & calculus.
    I really need a jumpstart course on that.

    • @mathpedia1
      @mathpedia1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solve this problem guys. This is a challenge for you. Problem given in my channel.

  • @bibhuprasadmahananda6986
    @bibhuprasadmahananda6986 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I approached it with calculus.
    BUT the geometric solutions were elegant.

    • @markcross109
      @markcross109 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you get the right answer or you just tried to solve it?

    • @mathpedia1
      @mathpedia1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solve this problem guys. This is a challenge for you. Problem given in my channel.

  • @jackychanfang7448
    @jackychanfang7448 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ngl its an emotion
    After 2.5 hrs of constant doing math i did itttt
    Yess i did it

  • @ASLearningPoint
    @ASLearningPoint 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    OMG ... seriously this is Awesome

  • @jimsavino4729
    @jimsavino4729 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is solvable using geometry and algebra only. Algebra can find the coordinates of the right-most circular intersection using the general equation for circles and the known centers. Knowing that, a sufficient system of triangles can be constructed such that the desired area is obtained purely by addition / subtraction of triangular areas and arc segment areas. I will confess it took 2 hrs to come to this conclusion.

    • @ligaseptian6612
      @ligaseptian6612 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly, i did it. And i got 9,78%

    • @kasra5096
      @kasra5096 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It took me 3 hours using the same method!

  • @sonofsarek
    @sonofsarek 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    It’s been 20 years and I still remember soh cah toa.

    • @philbytan284
      @philbytan284 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mah man!!

    • @mathpedia1
      @mathpedia1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solve this problem guys. This is a challenge for you. Problem given in the link below.
      th-cam.com/video/pgWx7CipFlo/w-d-xo.html

  • @nibaranghosh2202
    @nibaranghosh2202 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent Mathematics sir!

  • @unstabilize
    @unstabilize 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a question like this on one of my tests a few years back. Boy, no one was happy about it

  • @beztmuzic8900
    @beztmuzic8900 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Nice and clear presentation. Great Job!

    • @shyamsharma1746
      @shyamsharma1746 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      How can your comment be one month old...🤔

    • @beztmuzic8900
      @beztmuzic8900 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shyamsharma1746 About 1+ months ago, I found the problem on MSE and there was a comment by Presh pointing to this vid. The vid already exist then because I indeed watched it and commented. I don't know why the published date now was changed to Jan 10, 2019. There must be a mess-up by YT or some other reasons I don't know. Today is the 11th, it is unlikely that video of this nature could receive so many comments in just one day.

  • @DerKleineThilo
    @DerKleineThilo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Took me a full hour, now i finally can go to bed

  • @GurmeetSingh0802
    @GurmeetSingh0802 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Area of intersection of two semi circles can be calculated by drawing all four semi circles inside a square. Suppose area of semi circle is A, area of intersection of two semi circles is B and area of the square is C than 4*A - 4*B = C. Because when you add areas of four semi circles together, each intersection will be counted twice so you have to subtract four times of the area of intersection in order to make it equal to the area of squire. For a square of side 10, the value of B is comes out to be 14.26. It is first half of the solution.

  • @zakthefurryfeline8865
    @zakthefurryfeline8865 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I gave my math teacher this problem at the end of last lesson and she, her sixth form class and the head of math spent their whole lunch and the entire sixth form period attempting it, she had to watch this video to figure it out