A most informative yet sobering segment. It only stands to reason that it is just a matter of time before AI driven scam apps will become so prevalent that they will become virtually indiscernable from legitimate ones..
It really appreciate that in the end you point out the spectrum of security. That not all of these concerns affect all users. Some of us aren't going to fall for dark app design but some of us will. We can adjust as needed. I haven't flipped over to hardware yet but I'm using three different apps. Authy (Desk/Mobi), Aegis (Mobi), an open source browser extension (Desk). Definitely something to be mindful of regarding the apps.
Authy is owned by Twillio who got breached and Authy also requires a phone number which can make your account vulnerable to sim swapping attacks. I would recommend Raivo OTP for iOS or Aegis Authenticator for android or even better a hardware security key such as Yubikey.
@@IdkG7 Welp I'm not sure if you finished reading my post but I'm aware of the breach with Twillio. And hardware keys keys won't work with my use case. In my particular case I'm not concerned about SIM swapping but thanks for the general concern and the tips.
Also something to note: 2FAS and Microsoft Authenticator have biometric lock on the app itself while Google Authenticator doesn't, at least on Android. This makes the former options even more secure
@@alvaromonteiro7766 that's good. I mean I'm genuinely happy for ios users and even more pissed at Google now. For their own Android OS which has biometrics built in, they couldn't implement it yet🤦♂️
Separate discussion, but this is one of the reasons I absolutely hate generic names for apps with common functionalities, and all big tech companies are guilty of doing this. It's just another anti-consumer measure to confuse people, and it ends up enabling bad actors to do stuff like that - release their own app with some generic name that will live in peoples phones there scamming them out of their privacy and security because of a greedy decision by big tech. This includes not only authenticator apps, which a whole ton of companies decided to name it simply as "Authenticator", but also almost all more common or system apps such as Clock, Calendar, Weather, Dialer, Messenger, MyFiles, Gallery, Camera, Voice Recorder, etc etc etc. In a fair world this should be grounds for anti-trust investigations. A whole bunch of those apps are proprietary and often mass harvesting data without authorization. The practice should also be considered a dark pattern.
In addition to the official reliable authentication apps like Google and Microsoft, it's worth mentioning that Apple has a built in authenticator under settings in the password section. Of course, for those who have an iPhone.
i just came across your channel. I haven’t finished the first video but started scrolling through your videos. Subscribed for all your content👍🏾(I finished the video and greatly appreciate your content. Made me happy I’d decided all these years to stick with SMS. Now I need to get a good security key)
@@NaomiBrockwellTV o Thank you very much. I'd heard about a year ago about the problems with using SMS for 2FA. I decided to stick with it rather than get an authenticator app.
You should mention SIM-LOCKING if you want to use SMS for the second factor. It sounds like that mitigates the risk of sim-swapping. Now all you have to worry about is a man in the middle attack for SMS to get your codes.
A (yearly) update on the best VPN, email, DNS, browser, search engine, etc. would be very cool! ☺️ Or a website that keeps updating when your top 10/top 5 change and why they change. ☺️
Luv your delicious accent and your classy vintage garde robe. So bri-ish. But most of all your knowledge and desire to share it in such a simple and easy to understand way for such technical topics. Thank you for sharing Naomi. You are the queen of the geeks.
Great show 👍 and a very important subject you are explaining in way, that everyone can understand. You have some great posters on the wall with Snowden and Monero. Could you please leave a link to where I can buy them? 😎
I think apple’s 2FA in their password manager not being mentioned is a problem because even though they might be tracking usage, it’s inbuilt into all Apple devices
I just saw a video by The WSJ about the iPhone's entire security relying on the phone's lockscreen passcode and how all of your data on that phone can easily be compromised just by knowing that one short PIN... so i would never advise using Apple's options for password management and/or 2FA authentication, you're better off using a 3rd party app which offers a separate way to lock the app itself (and don't use the same pin as to your phone of course)
@@beriont. while I agree that’s a problem right now, Apple will fix it. And the video wasn’t about the best way to keep safe and secure, it was about the easiest options that are better than “fake” apps.
oh snap. looks like it HAS been abandoned. > This repository has been archived by the owner on Jun 14, 2022. It is now read-only. Seems he got a "big boy job" as it were and doesn't have time and energy to do even more work after that. I wish the developer well. Sounds like it couldn't happen to a better person.
Another better solution is not paying for the scam software. You can close the app most of the times and if not, just switch the phone off. When reboot your phone, just uninstall that software. The biggest problem is that people are more and more "click happy" and clicking every button they see. Think about the "don't push this button" test. Everyone is going to hit that button.
I wish youtube would also allow you to archive Playlist... I have several IT related ones (this one for example I put in a Playlist "security") it would make my life easier with the amount of Playlists I have 😅
SMS is more secure than 2FA especially for eSIM. And SIM cloning is not easy anymore, it also need physical access to the sim and therefore more secure than Yubi keys.
Interesting video. One thing I do wonder is how those free 2fa generators that seem legit earn their money. When things are free, usually you are the product.
Another excellent video, once again, but in this case I have very little sympathy for users who download and trust random software developers on the Internet, regardless of whether it's security software, or social media software, or games. If I am thinking about downloading any software I first spend an hour researching the company that I'm downloading it from and also studying its Privacy Statement. Half of the products that I examine fail these tests and I don't download them.
❤ thanks for your help, I have been targeted for 6 years by Leigh McLean who is a covert Narcissist. I could barely type this, do you have any information for me?
I'd really like to see exactly how Tommy and Talal check these apps for maliciousness, like do they have an internet bandwidth monitoring app or tool they prefer to use to monitor every in and out bound communication from these apps and the nature of those communications and the info they're gathering and sending? Is the preferred software for this, Proxyman?
The more authentication you need the less safe it is in my opinion specially if its Google and other similar company's. Best open source Apps, where the public can check it, if ther is some wrong.
So much for Apple to not do anything for authenticity and still people believe that they respect our privcay bcoz they are premier and costly. Dont understand these money sucking corporates.
naomi this was helpful.. general.. would it not be helpful to list apps that are actual examples of apps that were uncovered, and documented to be examples of what you are reporting?? respect achilles
I will NEVER understand why anyone in their right mind would use their FACE (unique identifier) OR THEIR FINGERPRINTS (yet another unique ID) on a device thats tethered to the internet pretty much 24/7 and on a device that may or may not be transmitting those unique ID's to some 3rd party either deliberately or by interception of that information, and on a device that has been shown that corporations habitually use to take away our freedoms and liberties every bit day by day. I will never understand humans sometimes.
But can someone tell us which apps are compromised and which are secure? I have a 2FA and even if I understand all this I still don't know if mine is one of the bad ones
That's highly illegal because of terms of service and bypassing device software via the website or an app is also illegal report this asp or else you'll be hacked, force restart your device if it's trying to force you to purchase something you don't want to buy, delete the website data immediately and completely delete the app from your account on all devices, update all devices to the latest version and turn on privacy settings to mitigate further hacking or fishing 8:44
Is it though? Because, its pretty obviously fake just by looking at the publishers name. There is only a handful of companies that make legitimate security apps and only two of them are actually worth using. Microsoft and Bitwarden.
This is scary. And reason why I try to stay away from all these new gadgets. I use passwords, I have a few very complex passwords that I have memorized. Edward Snowden recommends you have "a long phrase sentence as a password" and use it everywhere. I do not recommend this approach and wonder how the hell did Edward Snowden even tell people that it is a great practice. Imagine AI robots in the future who have access to your "long phrase password" and just like that, your whole identity everywhere is compromised.
>Edward Snowden recommends you have "a long phrase sentence as a password" and use it everywhere. That seems wildly incorrect can you find any source on this? long sentence passwords are great but using the same one everywhere that's bad idea since before Snowden became a public figure.
I don't believe Snowden ever said to use the same password everywhere, I think you misunderstood him, he doesn't say that in the video you linked, he's suggesting the use of passphrases in general everywhere.
@@futurecactus Why do you guys always have to sound so unintelligible? Listen to the discussion again. The discussion is centered around people using one password for their logins. And usually that one password is so weak, that people ought to rethink their password. Cause how many people have the ability to have 2 or 3 or more passwords and remember which one to use on which website? Hardly many people. And so Snowden, suggests people keep and use a passphrase. Sure go-ahead, use 10 passphrases and let me know how that works out for you. People don't even remember what their spouse accurately said last night, and you think Snowden is suggesting them to keep multiple passphrases... he was talking to people who use "passwerd" all over the internet as their main password.
Time for Congress and FBI to put as much pressure on app stores to verify their offerings as the FBI puts on Facebook to fact-check and remove harmless comments and opinions.
I get what you're saying, I started out making a non livable wage a few years ago, but the problem with just increasing wages is that the higher ups will refuse a pay cut so it gets passed on to consumers creating a vicious cycle of not enough money to pay for goods.
There are flavors of Android that allow you to block internet access to certain apps. I bet if you block access before setting them up, they can’t leak anything. OnePlus’s flavor of Android has allowed for this but being a Chinese company, you may be subject to a lot of other data being leaked.
There's nothing to steal. They seem to have it all already. And they're still compulsively scavenging. It should tell you something about their real natural place on the food chain.
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@@sevenelven Hi! You can give me compliments too. It helps balance out the nasty ones!
A most informative yet sobering segment. It only stands to reason that it is just a matter of time before AI driven scam apps will become so prevalent that they will become virtually indiscernable from legitimate ones..
This channel has both given me confidence and anxiety LOL
knowledge enables us to empower ourselves and make more informed decisions! :)
Exactly right.
Naomi has that affect (effect?) on people.
Now read what I just wrote again if you're neurotypical or neurodiverse. 🙊🙉🙈
It really appreciate that in the end you point out the spectrum of security. That not all of these concerns affect all users. Some of us aren't going to fall for dark app design but some of us will. We can adjust as needed.
I haven't flipped over to hardware yet but I'm using three different apps. Authy (Desk/Mobi), Aegis (Mobi), an open source browser extension (Desk). Definitely something to be mindful of regarding the apps.
Good points .
Authy is owned by Twillio who got breached and Authy also requires a phone number which can make your account vulnerable to sim swapping attacks.
I would recommend Raivo OTP for iOS or Aegis Authenticator for android or even better a hardware security key such as Yubikey.
@@IdkG7 Welp I'm not sure if you finished reading my post but I'm aware of the breach with Twillio. And hardware keys keys won't work with my use case. In my particular case I'm not concerned about SIM swapping but thanks for the general concern and the tips.
Also something to note: 2FAS and Microsoft Authenticator have biometric lock on the app itself while Google Authenticator doesn't, at least on Android. This makes the former options even more secure
In iOS Google Authenticator also has biometric lock like Microsoft Authenticator.
@@alvaromonteiro7766 that's good. I mean I'm genuinely happy for ios users and even more pissed at Google now. For their own Android OS which has biometrics built in, they couldn't implement it yet🤦♂️
Thanks Naomi for breaking it down and keeping it real!!
You and these guys been doing God's work. Thank you.
Thank you Naomi for highlighting this danger. You really are a treasure.
This woman really does a great job. I wish I had found this channel sooner
You're here now! Welcome 💛
Thanks Naomi for enlightening us all😇
Aegis authenticator is what i use and its great thank you reddit
Seems like the app store could have liability for letting these scammers steal seeds
i feel like a lot of liabilities go away when a user agrees to the terms prior to using the app store.
Great content! Curious to see the next vid on the open source ones.
Separate discussion, but this is one of the reasons I absolutely hate generic names for apps with common functionalities, and all big tech companies are guilty of doing this.
It's just another anti-consumer measure to confuse people, and it ends up enabling bad actors to do stuff like that - release their own app with some generic name that will live in peoples phones there scamming them out of their privacy and security because of a greedy decision by big tech.
This includes not only authenticator apps, which a whole ton of companies decided to name it simply as "Authenticator", but also almost all more common or system apps such as Clock, Calendar, Weather, Dialer, Messenger, MyFiles, Gallery, Camera, Voice Recorder, etc etc etc.
In a fair world this should be grounds for anti-trust investigations. A whole bunch of those apps are proprietary and often mass harvesting data without authorization. The practice should also be considered a dark pattern.
That's an interesting point. I've certainly had that problem distinguisihing the contacts app I downloaded vs the one that came with my phone.
Great to see you and Heidi talking together. My 2 fave tech and crypto girls keeping it real 🙏🏾💕🙏🏾
She's great :)
In addition to the official reliable authentication apps like Google and Microsoft, it's worth mentioning that Apple has a built in authenticator under settings in the password section. Of course, for those who have an iPhone.
Excellent guests . And the host is sublime .
Thanks. Really interesting one - nice mix of what and how. Cheers!
Dark Side of 2FA = Mouse Guarding Cheese!
i just came across your channel. I haven’t finished the first video but started scrolling through your videos. Subscribed for all your content👍🏾(I finished the video and greatly appreciate your content. Made me happy I’d decided all these years to stick with SMS. Now I need to get a good security key)
here's a deep dive into sms to show you the other side of things! th-cam.com/video/hLQpys14wW0/w-d-xo.html
@@NaomiBrockwellTV o Thank you very much. I'd heard about a year ago about the problems with using SMS for 2FA. I decided to stick with it rather than get an authenticator app.
You should mention SIM-LOCKING if you want to use SMS for the second factor. It sounds like that mitigates the risk of sim-swapping. Now all you have to worry about is a man in the middle attack for SMS to get your codes.
This is a video people should pay attention to.
A (yearly) update on the best VPN, email, DNS, browser, search engine, etc. would be very cool! ☺️
Or a website that keeps updating when your top 10/top 5 change and why they change. ☺️
Luv your delicious accent and your classy vintage garde robe. So bri-ish. But most of all your knowledge and desire to share it in such a simple and easy to understand way for such technical topics. Thank you for sharing Naomi. You are the queen of the geeks.
"queen of the geeks" 😂 I'll take it
Naomi I miss you. Where have you been? You are even more beautiful today!!!
thanks, just sent this to a colleague who didn’t want to recommend any specific app because the users should be able to decide by themselves
Thank you. When a business pushes 2FA, it is often done without training. We had several people click on the wrong application.
Excellent content. I think these clone apps/sites are not just targeting 2FA but all apps
Fortunate to find your channel! Good video! Keep it up! 👍🏼
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Great show 👍 and a very important subject you are explaining in way, that everyone can understand. You have some great posters on the wall with Snowden and Monero. Could you please leave a link to where I can buy them? 😎
Actually unsure where to buy them these days! I'll find out
Naomi , love you and your videos! You explain everything so well but in a way a dummy like me can understand!
Thanks
I think apple’s 2FA in their password manager not being mentioned is a problem because even though they might be tracking usage, it’s inbuilt into all Apple devices
Yeah. It's baffling why she didn't mention that, especially Apple being big on Privacy.
I just saw a video by The WSJ about the iPhone's entire security relying on the phone's lockscreen passcode and how all of your data on that phone can easily be compromised just by knowing that one short PIN... so i would never advise using Apple's options for password management and/or 2FA authentication, you're better off using a 3rd party app which offers a separate way to lock the app itself (and don't use the same pin as to your phone of course)
@@beriont. while I agree that’s a problem right now, Apple will fix it. And the video wasn’t about the best way to keep safe and secure, it was about the easiest options that are better than “fake” apps.
Thank you Naomi.
2FAS is open-source and the most featured app.
Fantastic content !! Thank you very much
I like open source FreeOTP+ although I disabled network access which I guess is used for icons.
Thanks Naomi you are a guardian angel !
Thanks alot! I needed this info....
2FAS is great! That's by far my fav
Great video. I'm very fortunate to enjoy computers because the pitfalls for the unwary are endless.
Great video. When will we see you on the Fediverse?
andOTP has been abandoned
It has? When was the last active development? I'll look into that, thanks!
flocke Unmaintained on Jun 14, 2022
andOTP GitHub
oh snap. looks like it HAS been abandoned.
> This repository has been archived by the owner on Jun 14, 2022. It is now read-only.
Seems he got a "big boy job" as it were and doesn't have time and energy to do even more work after that. I wish the developer well. Sounds like it couldn't happen to a better person.
@@okay4634 will mention that in our upcoming followup video when we dive into open source options, thanks!
Another better solution is not paying for the scam software. You can close the app most of the times and if not, just switch the phone off. When reboot your phone, just uninstall that software. The biggest problem is that people are more and more "click happy" and clicking every button they see. Think about the "don't push this button" test. Everyone is going to hit that button.
algorithms
gracias
Great video
The problem with a key is that you need two and have to carry something else about. If they were smaller, I would use them.
I would use Aegis.
Do you carry a house or car key around?
I wish youtube would also allow you to archive Playlist... I have several IT related ones (this one for example I put in a Playlist "security") it would make my life easier with the amount of Playlists I have 😅
Great video !
SMS is more secure than 2FA especially for eSIM. And SIM cloning is not easy anymore, it also need physical access to the sim and therefore more secure than Yubi keys.
I am constantly asking myself how I have decided to trust this person/creator/company/news source/app, etc. It's essentially a process audit.
Who are these people who buy an authenticator app??? 🤷♀
Important video
Ya gotta watch out for fake password manager apps too.
absolutely
Interesting video. One thing I do wonder is how those free 2fa generators that seem legit earn their money. When things are free, usually you are the product.
Why was this 8:03 not identified during Apple's manual app verification process?
Good data, thanks. What do you thnk of getting codes via email or phone call, rather than SMS text?
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You are such a splendid mind !
What about password managers with a OTP field, like 1Password?
Another excellent video, once again, but in this case I have very little sympathy for users who download and trust random software developers on the Internet, regardless of whether it's security software, or social media software, or games. If I am thinking about downloading any software I first spend an hour researching the company that I'm downloading it from and also studying its Privacy Statement. Half of the products that I examine fail these tests and I don't download them.
❤ thanks for your help, I have been targeted for 6 years by Leigh McLean who is a covert Narcissist. I could barely type this, do you have any information for me?
Excellent video
Thanks for your excellent work❤🙏
Hi, can i have this question. How can i be able to figure out which app is real and which app not not real? Thanks
Waited and waited but I never heard what apps to avoid.
Great Video!!!
🙏
I use Microsoft Authenticator and 2 Secure Keys
I'd really like to see exactly how Tommy and Talal check these apps for maliciousness, like do they have an internet bandwidth monitoring app or tool they prefer to use to monitor every in and out bound communication from these apps and the nature of those communications and the info they're gathering and sending? Is the preferred software for this, Proxyman?
The more authentication you need the less safe it is in my opinion specially if its Google and other similar company's.
Best open source Apps, where the public can check it, if ther is some wrong.
So much for Apple to not do anything for authenticity and still people believe that they respect our privcay bcoz they are premier and costly. Dont understand these money sucking corporates.
Nice video
naomi this was helpful.. general.. would it not be helpful to list apps that are actual examples of apps that were uncovered,
and documented to be examples of what you are reporting?? respect achilles
Very. Ice and informative
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I will NEVER understand why anyone in their right mind would use their FACE (unique identifier) OR THEIR FINGERPRINTS (yet another unique ID) on a device thats tethered to the internet pretty much 24/7 and on a device that may or may not be transmitting those unique ID's to some 3rd party either deliberately or by interception of that information, and on a device that has been shown that corporations habitually use to take away our freedoms and liberties every bit day by day. I will never understand humans sometimes.
Kind of a nightmare.
But can someone tell us which apps are compromised and which are secure? I have a 2FA and even if I understand all this I still don't know if mine is one of the bad ones
That's highly illegal because of terms of service and bypassing device software via the website or an app is also illegal report this asp or else you'll be hacked, force restart your device if it's trying to force you to purchase something you don't want to buy, delete the website data immediately and completely delete the app from your account on all devices, update all devices to the latest version and turn on privacy settings to mitigate further hacking or fishing 8:44
Mwuahahahaaaa my chastity belt are now more secure than ever!
Hi, what’s the best 2fa for iPhone for personal use. Thank you.
Something to note andOTP is no longer getting updates as the dev has stepped away from the project.
video with using vpn as firewall, like netguard? which can be setup as block by default so new app can't connect to the internet,
Oh thanx for that, i never used any of those but I didn't have a clue either
I always try to use well knows FOSS apps of all kinds
Ok how would they be able to get your SEID, EID, or IMEI to do this? If your phone is locked how would you be able to stop this?
Why Apple permit all those apps in the App Store?
So much for the app store being safer. "side loading" is dangerous they say. Sounds like you are taking your chances either way.
Surely the big weakest of a 2fa app is your phone which typically has a short code?
Unfortunately there are many fake 2FA apps in the app store and Google Play store and it can be hard to tell whether they are real or fake apps
Is it though? Because, its pretty obviously fake just by looking at the publishers name. There is only a handful of companies that make legitimate security apps and only two of them are actually worth using. Microsoft and Bitwarden.
This is scary. And reason why I try to stay away from all these new gadgets.
I use passwords, I have a few very complex passwords that I have memorized. Edward Snowden recommends you have "a long phrase sentence as a password" and use it everywhere. I do not recommend this approach and wonder how the hell did Edward Snowden even tell people that it is a great practice.
Imagine AI robots in the future who have access to your "long phrase password" and just like that, your whole identity everywhere is compromised.
There are open source 2FA Apps, so your comment doesn't make sense.
>Edward Snowden recommends you have "a long phrase sentence as a password" and use it everywhere.
That seems wildly incorrect can you find any source on this? long sentence passwords are great but using the same one everywhere that's bad idea since before Snowden became a public figure.
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I don't believe Snowden ever said to use the same password everywhere, I think you misunderstood him, he doesn't say that in the video you linked, he's suggesting the use of passphrases in general everywhere.
@@futurecactus Why do you guys always have to sound so unintelligible? Listen to the discussion again. The discussion is centered around people using one password for their logins. And usually that one password is so weak, that people ought to rethink their password. Cause how many people have the ability to have 2 or 3 or more passwords and remember which one to use on which website? Hardly many people. And so Snowden, suggests people keep and use a passphrase. Sure go-ahead, use 10 passphrases and let me know how that works out for you. People don't even remember what their spouse accurately said last night, and you think Snowden is suggesting them to keep multiple passphrases... he was talking to people who use "passwerd" all over the internet as their main password.
Companies dont mention as they make a lot off the Leigh McLeans of the world
Time for Congress and FBI to put as much pressure on app stores to verify their offerings as the FBI puts on Facebook to fact-check and remove harmless comments and opinions.
I get what you're saying, I started out making a non livable wage a few years ago, but the problem with just increasing wages is that the higher ups will refuse a pay cut so it gets passed on to consumers creating a vicious cycle of not enough money to pay for goods.
There are flavors of Android that allow you to block internet access to certain apps. I bet if you block access before setting them up, they can’t leak anything.
OnePlus’s flavor of Android has allowed for this but being a Chinese company, you may be subject to a lot of other data being leaked.
As long as Google Auth app is straight, I'm good!
How can they do sim swap if you are using an Apple iPhone with only e-sim?
esim is functionally no different to a normal sim. number just gets ported to a new IMSI
She very good thank you
I won't buy a security key because I don't know how to pick one I REALLY trust. Forget Amazon... that's just a crapshoot...
Yubico is easily the best security key maker currently and supports a wide range of protocols.
@@IdkG7 yeah but where do I get one that I can believe isn't a knock off or fake. Does Best Buy sell them?
How the f did we mess up so badly that downloading an app from the package repository is less safe than going to the app's website…
There's nothing to steal. They seem to have it all already. And they're still compulsively scavenging. It should tell you something about their real natural place on the food chain.