@MattLowne I was more referring to the nay sayers that use the scrapped boosters as some form of argument that they can't be re-used without considering the tainted results of testing with a used article(Can't rule a design flaw if the possibility of wear is on the table)
Imagine being a little bird and finding a nice flat island in the middle of the ocean all for yourself and then a freaking flaming building falls from the sky disintegrating you
@@Concavenator_corcovatus they can solve that by just posting a sign saying "No fly zone." That will keep the birds away. That's how we keep the flies away from our patio. 😅
Blue Origin does have past experience of landing boosters with New Shepard, so I don't it will take them as long to get New Glenn landing reliably (not to mention the fact we have SpaceX to learn from, and many ex-SpaceX people work at Blue now)
it took spacex seven launch attempt to not go to orbit, so by this account, it was also not expected by anyone. so while yes, it was a bit on the good luck with it side, it was not as insane as it seems on first glance.
@@MattLownewhen do you think BO will land New Gleen? I’m thinking NG-2 but likely NG-3. Also thoughts about getting New Gleen to carry Jebediah in the command seat flying in the payload fairing.
Well... SpaceX landed super heavy on their first try (actually succeeded on every attempt), so BO could do it. They do have experience landing rockets. As it turns out, hopping above the Karmann line and orbital velocity, are completely different levels of difficulty.
I'm American. I wish they'd use m/s for velocity. I use miles/h in my daily life and understand it better than km/h, but 7,233 mph means nothing to me, it's way too fast. I'd be able to parse m/s to something useful though. But that being said, those numbers aren't there for us. They're for people who don't know much about space to go "WOAH that thing is going fast" and make Blue Origin more popular. Since they're a US company and care mostly about the opinion of Americans, they'll definitely be more successful at doing that by using US standard units. I'll also point out that airplanes in almost every country still use feet for altitude and knots for speed, so...
as an american person who loves imperial for normal use, i felt like i was hit in the head with a hammer when i saw the imperial readouts for new glenn.
@@HeitorSFS I think people overlook the fact that just about anything you can touch in modern life had its catastrophic failure in development(Should I bring up the days of exploding phones, burning PC components, cars that's hood would randomly fly up and obstruct your view, most powerful fighter jet that had an issue with its oxygen system etc.)
@@HeitorSFS just to sum up, 2 things changed since days of ol'... #1 No one is as pressured to be first to a milestone(Cold War Space-Race) and #2 Development is alot more in the hands of the press lately, where previously you'd only hear of the development failures once the development was over and people had access to the final product without any of its "teething problems"
The use of imperial units shows how far behind the times Blue Origin is. Or was it meant to confuse people comparing starship and the New Glen performance?
Looks like after the first catch they've ramped up to a speed more indicative of normal operation. Flight 5's catch was slow because it was the first one. Given how much the booster swayed like a pendulum this time they may dial back the speed or tweak the angle of that final maneuver onto the arms.
I'm old fashioned, because I still think in MPH, and am always converting. So, I was pleased to see them using Imperial units.; it saved me the trouble.
Even if Space X has spoiled us with their live streams. The BO live stream was totally garbage. That lady was just yelling nonsense. The best part was when we were looking at the map, she said like she was talking to a kid "Look, we will land over there". That or the random spewing of corporate propaganda like how "they are one of the select few countries/companies that made it to orbit" when at this point I would be surprise for someone not to make it to orbit when they have the budget. Someone just grabbed some random mom and put here there with a microphone in her throat.
Not really a surprise if the first instance of a new version has problems - they'll be working out how to make the thing - it may suffer some manufacturing scars along the way, and may not have fully identified when, where and how to inspect for manufacturing defects. I'm sure the next will fare better.
" *Before life began, there was the Cube.* *We don't know where he comes from,We only know that he has the power to create worlds,And Fill them in with life* " *Transformers Soundtrack*
"SpaceX's determination to learn from challenges like Starship Flight 7's explosion is what sets them apart! 🚀 Meanwhile, New Glenn making progress adds even more excitement to the space race. Can't wait to see what Flight 8 brings! 🔥🌌"
Blue Origin doesn't yet have a recoverable 1st stage in New Glenn until they prove the landing works as intended. They have to demonstrate that reuse capability to avoid the expense of building a booster for each launch and enhance their launch cadence.
12:41 My buddy did some simple calculations and figured out that somewhere, someone was using imperial when they were supposed to be using metric or vise vera 😂
🙄 The entire point is to have failures. They've made about 1000 changes, what do you mean "they shouldn't be experiencing things like this by now."? They are trying experimental things on every launch.
Correction, New Glenn has to actually recover a booster for it to enter the ranks of reusable orbital class rockets. While I believe they may eventually land a booster Falcon 9/Heavy are the only rockets in that class.
Pro tip: for the ones in orbit, right click the command pod. Then go to rename vessel, and click “space station”. This will give you a space station in mun orbit, and u won’t have to rescue them!
@@sja45uk it's the whole philosophy of FTS, if any part of the rocket is considered as uncontrollable ie ballistic, then FTS is engaged by procedure as the smaller fragments are alot more likely to burn up before hitting anything and those that do make landfall would do alot less damage than an entire shuttle hitting infrastructure...and then there's the fact FTS also detonates all the fuel so less likely to explode upon hitting ground
Oh and obvious counterpoint, if it were in stable orbit when loss of contact happens, then FTS would be locked out as the fragments generated by such would be stuck in a similar orbit, at which point more fragments would be a greater threat to other orbiting objects... so then you'd need something to boost up and force the marooned ship to de-orbit, much like the planned ISS maneuver
@jakobusswart1376 - I agree that is the idea ! I would prefer to see clear confirmation from SpaceX, as the Starship was obviously subject to a fire that might have disabled the FTS.
It gets *really* cold on the dark side, cold enough to freeze batteries, PCBs, maybe even the integrated circuits themselves. Heating yourself through that for 15 days would take a ton of power and even heavier batteries. There's not really much more to see past the landing site anyway, unless you're checking out a specific rock, drilling, or travelling for weeks, and there's plenty of science to do in just a few days. Why take 2 experiments for 8 weeks of one location if you could take 8 experiments for 2 weeks of the same location? Especially if those experiments are sample analysis, and limited to one location anyway.
@@lucasgrd4258 -- Insulation (probably made of soil sourced nearby), and building on a pole so solar panels work nearly all the time. Building on the south pole may also provide access to ice in the permanent shadow of craters, so even better to go for a pole. You could also try an RTG or just a lot of power in general, but those are heavy and you need to cool down during the day too. Thermally resilient electronics could work too, but we don't have good ones yet, and you'd have to make every part special; no cutting edge image processing chips or high-density batteries. Small rovers might be able to bury themselves to gain insulation I suppose, but lunar dust is really abrasive and larger rovers work better anyway.
So, now that SpaceX has competition again, we might actually get to see a StarShip reach orbit ... in the next two years, as MuskyHusky would say. I am at least not holding my breath that StarShip flight 8 will be any different, but we will see. I mean apart from the fully missed contract goals for Artemis but we're not speaking about SpaceX not fullfilling their 3 billion dollar contract with NASA, don't we. I loved your KSP Jool Misison though
Currently, all the boosters and ships are prototypes, and are intended to be lost at the end of test. It may be cheaper to blow it up than to scrap it. Thankfully, they can afford this development method due to income from starlink and other services they provide, IMO.
@@davidcleere5689 - SpaceX has a Starship design that minimise materials and manufacturing costs and time, so they can optimise development using an iterative implementation strategy.
In my opinion blue origin is doing it more methodically and scientifically. Reaching orbit first try is no small feat. After all that is your main objective during any launch. Reaching target orbit.
Those two trapped on the ISS by Boeing must be anxiously counting the days. 6 days dragged out to over 6 months because Boeing is Boeing. Now their Dragon leaves the ISS on the 7th or 8th of next month. They must be counting down the days. Side note, glad to see the Pi engine survived the booster flight! I wonder if they'll try using it a third time
Think about it Blue Origin has an American Audience primarily, especially government officials. Spacex has a more international audience. This BO using imperial measurements so the politicians who watch can more easily understand.
I still hate the imperial system and I was born in the US. Compared to the metric system it’s just unnecessary complication having to deal with fractions
Metric is always better but ngl it was nice to be able to see the units and just intuitively get them instead of the quick head conversions I typically have to do. Again not saying imperial is better but it was definitely more comfortable for me.
@@MarkChamberlain-gq6ru We don't know, it might have lost control and fallen into the ocean without an explosion. (Note "might" - not "had"; it might just as well exploded - we don't know). But Starship is a petard that consistently keeps giving..
Atleast for the people arguing about boosters being scrapped, re-using a raptor is definitely a milestone for the stress they take
Too many vehicles at Starbase to be nostalgic! SpaceX need all the room they can get. Would be cool if Ship 20 could be shipped to a Museum though.
@MattLowne I was more referring to the nay sayers that use the scrapped boosters as some form of argument that they can't be re-used without considering the tainted results of testing with a used article(Can't rule a design flaw if the possibility of wear is on the table)
It would have been a milestone if they used Booster 12. IFT-7 was a step back.
the only thing they should save is the first landed ship because that marks full reusability
@@MattLowne I hope they give engine No. 314 to a museum, after teardown and inspection.
Imagine being a little bird and finding a nice flat island in the middle of the ocean all for yourself and then a freaking flaming building falls from the sky disintegrating you
"Just another Thursday"
hmm, the bird is okey
@@Concavenator_corcovatus they can solve that by just posting a sign saying "No fly zone." That will keep the birds away. That's how we keep the flies away from our patio. 😅
Those debris are unimaginably beautiful.
Well…. We had one full rocket launch. BO handled the second stage and SpaceX handled the first stage! Fantastic
A real team effort 😂
It took SpaceX 19 attempts to land a booster nobody seriously expected it to make it all the way to the barge on the 1st go
Blue Origin does have past experience of landing boosters with New Shepard, so I don't it will take them as long to get New Glenn landing reliably (not to mention the fact we have SpaceX to learn from, and many ex-SpaceX people work at Blue now)
it took spacex seven launch attempt to not go to orbit, so by this account, it was also not expected by anyone. so while yes, it was a bit on the good luck with it side, it was not as insane as it seems on first glance.
@@MattLownewhen do you think BO will land New Gleen? I’m thinking NG-2 but likely NG-3.
Also thoughts about getting New Gleen to carry Jebediah in the command seat flying in the payload fairing.
Well... SpaceX landed super heavy on their first try (actually succeeded on every attempt), so BO could do it. They do have experience landing rockets.
As it turns out, hopping above the Karmann line and orbital velocity, are completely different levels of difficulty.
@@MattLowne No they are using the 0 patent Elon makes happen they piggy back as they should, do not forget where all get the experience from
I'm American. I wish they'd use m/s for velocity. I use miles/h in my daily life and understand it better than km/h, but 7,233 mph means nothing to me, it's way too fast. I'd be able to parse m/s to something useful though.
But that being said, those numbers aren't there for us. They're for people who don't know much about space to go "WOAH that thing is going fast" and make Blue Origin more popular. Since they're a US company and care mostly about the opinion of Americans, they'll definitely be more successful at doing that by using US standard units.
I'll also point out that airplanes in almost every country still use feet for altitude and knots for speed, so...
Planes also use analog fm radio.
Analog radar altimeters.
60 x 60 x 2 😊
as an american person who loves imperial for normal use, i felt like i was hit in the head with a hammer when i saw the imperial readouts for new glenn.
Real people use imperial lol
Also in Transporter 12, Mark Rober's SATGUS was one of the payloads
Listen here buddy I'm not here to promote other TH-camrs I only want people to subscribe to me ☠
Two MASSIVE launches, you know what else is MASSIVE
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Sea dragon
Looooooow taper faaaaaadddeee
>hears massive
>instantly scrolls down to see how many people mentioned it
ah im so happy the trend is so MASSIVE
At 1:36 slight correction : Most Engines cutoff
So pedantic
@cartanfan-youtube 😅😅
@@cartanfan-youtubehey, accurate reporting is what we’re here for
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Superheavy landed, Starship exploded, New Glenn Booster exploded, New Glenn Stage 2 completed, lol
also RIP bird
New Glenn 1 was deffo more successful than Flight 7 - I don't think anyone was 100% expecting the first stage to stick the landing first time
@@HeitorSFS I think people overlook the fact that just about anything you can touch in modern life had its catastrophic failure in development(Should I bring up the days of exploding phones, burning PC components, cars that's hood would randomly fly up and obstruct your view, most powerful fighter jet that had an issue with its oxygen system etc.)
@@HeitorSFS just to sum up, 2 things changed since days of ol'... #1 No one is as pressured to be first to a milestone(Cold War Space-Race) and #2 Development is alot more in the hands of the press lately, where previously you'd only hear of the development failures once the development was over and people had access to the final product without any of its "teething problems"
@ yeah I remember the early Rubiks cubes could kill a man if not handled properly
you missed the flapping narrow heat tile on the S33. It was out of your frane
The use of imperial units shows how far behind the times Blue Origin is. Or was it meant to confuse people comparing starship and the New Glen performance?
Blue Origin works in metric just like all science.
The data was converted for the challenged.
Ackshewally, I'll think you'll find we have _lots_ of footage of Ship 33 reentering...
That footage must exist. Always great content. 7:05
Looks like after the first catch they've ramped up to a speed more indicative of normal operation. Flight 5's catch was slow because it was the first one.
Given how much the booster swayed like a pendulum this time they may dial back the speed or tweak the angle of that final maneuver onto the arms.
I'm old fashioned, because I still think in MPH, and am always converting. So, I was pleased to see them using Imperial units.; it saved me the trouble.
Between SpaceX and Blue Origin there was one whole successful rocket launch last week 😂
Longtime subscriber, my kids are huge fans!
Imagine if he goes to gilly today (I have 0 insider info)
Nothin beats playing ksp in hard mode while watching a new matt video
Huh wait a Matt Lowne video but it's onl... IT'S MONDAY LETSGOOOO
The launch of New Glenn seems to question its lift capacity. Of course with the tortise logo, maybe this was a demonstration of its design theme.
First launches are throttled down.
@@TheMoneypresident not this one. Also no they are not.
@judet2992 pay more attention. Yes watch Scott Manley.
The starship explosion looks like the arrival of the death angels from a quiet place
The bird is fine okay and is living a happy life being a puddle.
I wouldn't classify new glenn as an operational reusable rocket. Operational yes, but not an operational reusable rocket
Under 2 mins is crazy😭
Hope to see success on flight 8!
Just in Time matt And Thanks for keeping us informed all the time
Everymonday etc happy 10 years matt Cheers!
Blue Origin still doesn’t know that NG can safely deorbit. On moral points, SpaceX is ahead.
Even if Space X has spoiled us with their live streams. The BO live stream was totally garbage. That lady was just yelling nonsense. The best part was when we were looking at the map, she said like she was talking to a kid "Look, we will land over there". That or the random spewing of corporate propaganda like how "they are one of the select few countries/companies that made it to orbit" when at this point I would be surprise for someone not to make it to orbit when they have the budget. Someone just grabbed some random mom and put here there with a microphone in her throat.
Just wondering as i saw in the reflection of filming it was some kind of aircraft do we know what it is? The explosion if starship i mean?
Not really a surprise if the first instance of a new version has problems - they'll be working out how to make the thing - it may suffer some manufacturing scars along the way, and may not have fully identified when, where and how to inspect for manufacturing defects. I'm sure the next will fare better.
" *Before life began, there was the Cube.*
*We don't know where he comes from,We only know that he has the power to create worlds,And Fill them in with life* "
*Transformers Soundtrack*
Even being American I was stunned by the audacity to use imperial units
idk why they dont just show both the imperial and metric conversions
You're not American then.
"SpaceX's determination to learn from challenges like Starship Flight 7's explosion is what sets them apart! 🚀 Meanwhile, New Glenn making progress adds even more excitement to the space race. Can't wait to see what Flight 8 brings! 🔥🌌"
Blue Origin doesn't yet have a recoverable 1st stage in New Glenn until they prove the landing works as intended. They have to demonstrate that reuse capability to avoid the expense of building a booster for each launch and enhance their launch cadence.
CONGRATS ON 600K ALSO RESTOCK, STOCK WATERFALL EFFECTS AND RESTOCK WATERFALL GOT UPDATED JUST SAYING
Woah, when are they going to Minmus though?
12:41 My buddy did some simple calculations and figured out that somewhere, someone was using imperial when they were supposed to be using metric or vise vera 😂
🙄 The entire point is to have failures.
They've made about 1000 changes, what do you mean "they shouldn't be experiencing things like this by now."?
They are trying experimental things on every launch.
No the entire point of this flight was to test the changes not fail completely.
@@michaelreid2329 They found a problem with the V2 Ship that will be fixed by flight 8.
I agree, they shouldn't have used imperial units for displaying the telemetry data.
Correction, New Glenn has to actually recover a booster for it to enter the ranks of reusable orbital class rockets. While I believe they may eventually land a booster Falcon 9/Heavy are the only rockets in that class.
help I miss calculated my first mun landing I have 2 stuck I in orbit and 1 on the mun. I don't know how to share saves though. could you help?
Pro tip: for the ones in orbit, right click the command pod. Then go to rename vessel, and click “space station”. This will give you a space station in mun orbit, and u won’t have to rescue them!
Tbf it was the first ever v2 and the first ever v1 to launch did explode aswell so i guess its just trial and error
So why did the ship explode? Was the FTS activated? Would ship have tumbled into the ocean otherwise?
The FTS was activated.
@@Rockethead293- how do we know for sure ?
@@sja45uk it's the whole philosophy of FTS, if any part of the rocket is considered as uncontrollable ie ballistic, then FTS is engaged by procedure as the smaller fragments are alot more likely to burn up before hitting anything and those that do make landfall would do alot less damage than an entire shuttle hitting infrastructure...and then there's the fact FTS also detonates all the fuel so less likely to explode upon hitting ground
Oh and obvious counterpoint, if it were in stable orbit when loss of contact happens, then FTS would be locked out as the fragments generated by such would be stuck in a similar orbit, at which point more fragments would be a greater threat to other orbiting objects... so then you'd need something to boost up and force the marooned ship to de-orbit, much like the planned ISS maneuver
@jakobusswart1376 - I agree that is the idea ! I would prefer to see clear confirmation from SpaceX, as the Starship was obviously subject to a fire that might have disabled the FTS.
Would it help if SpaceX was routinely flying Starship over the gulf and returning it to the launch pad?
those robots on the moon, can't they use battery power in some kind of sleep mode to survive 15 night days until the sun rises again ?
It gets *really* cold on the dark side, cold enough to freeze batteries, PCBs, maybe even the integrated circuits themselves. Heating yourself through that for 15 days would take a ton of power and even heavier batteries. There's not really much more to see past the landing site anyway, unless you're checking out a specific rock, drilling, or travelling for weeks, and there's plenty of science to do in just a few days.
Why take 2 experiments for 8 weeks of one location if you could take 8 experiments for 2 weeks of the same location? Especially if those experiments are sample analysis, and limited to one location anyway.
@ damn i didn’t realize that. How could they overcome this freezing issue for a lunar settlement ?
@@lucasgrd4258 -- Insulation (probably made of soil sourced nearby), and building on a pole so solar panels work nearly all the time.
Building on the south pole may also provide access to ice in the permanent shadow of craters, so even better to go for a pole.
You could also try an RTG or just a lot of power in general, but those are heavy and you need to cool down during the day too. Thermally resilient electronics could work too, but we don't have good ones yet, and you'd have to make every part special; no cutting edge image processing chips or high-density batteries.
Small rovers might be able to bury themselves to gain insulation I suppose, but lunar dust is really abrasive and larger rovers work better anyway.
2 out of 3 thats pretty good catch record yet
Big week in space 👍
That's one way to cook a bird...
congrats on 600k!
This was the episode of smooth transitions
Did I just see a magnetometer boom on that Lunar lander?
Congrats on 600k mate
Just joining in after gest left
We really got New Glenn before GTA 6 huh...
are you going to play space engineers 2
So, now that SpaceX has competition again, we might actually get to see a StarShip reach orbit ... in the next two years, as MuskyHusky would say. I am at least not holding my breath that StarShip flight 8 will be any different, but we will see. I mean apart from the fully missed contract goals for Artemis but we're not speaking about SpaceX not fullfilling their 3 billion dollar contract with NASA, don't we.
I loved your KSP Jool Misison though
don’t expect contracts to be fulfilled in time in the space industry my friend. Starliner, ML2, Gateway ect.
Do you think SpaceX will launch all of Starships test flights in the morning again
How much does it cost space x every time they loose the ship, booster and engines ????? How long can they keep ding this ???
Currently, all the boosters and ships are prototypes, and are intended to be lost at the end of test. It may be cheaper to blow it up than to scrap it. Thankfully, they can afford this development method due to income from starlink and other services they provide, IMO.
@@davidcleere5689 - SpaceX has a Starship design that minimise materials and manufacturing costs and time, so they can optimise development using an iterative implementation strategy.
dude i just realized matt sounds almost identical to marley a siege youtuber
Matt, the debris field were the dummy satellites.
I don't noticed the bird being fried on the droneship.
good content Matt keep up the good work
Yay Matt lowne :D
We hope the bird is okay
0:06 you know what else is massive
That poor bird😭😭😭
3:01 just you.
No one knows why starship failed but we can theorise..
In my opinion blue origin is doing it more methodically and scientifically. Reaching orbit first try is no small feat. After all that is your main objective during any launch. Reaching target orbit.
massive you say (GET OU-
What will explode on the SpaceX Spaceship 8 test flight ???
A) -the booster
B) -the Starship
C) -the launch site
D) -the booster landing tower
When will BONG fly again?
a)2 years
b)5 years
c)10 years
d)25 years
e)Never
Bro doesn't understand what a TEST FLIGHT is. 🤣
Those two trapped on the ISS by Boeing must be anxiously counting the days. 6 days dragged out to over 6 months because Boeing is Boeing. Now their Dragon leaves the ISS on the 7th or 8th of next month. They must be counting down the days.
Side note, glad to see the Pi engine survived the booster flight! I wonder if they'll try using it a third time
0:08 massive??? You know what else is massive???
Oh man you're kicking a hornets nest with that thumbnail.
Did you say 5 months? … to the moon? Am I missing something?
hi matt
Think about it Blue Origin has an American Audience primarily, especially government officials. Spacex has a more international audience. This BO using imperial measurements so the politicians who watch can more easily understand.
Here's hoping 314 makes another appearance on Flight 8!
Who knows maybe they'll reuse B14
@@KiRiTO72987 I think they're going to start reflying Boosters starting with Flight 9. That will be exciting to see too!
@@KiRiTO72987I've heard they're gonna reuse it for flight 9
@@notgreg123 they're gonna need to of they want to keep flight rates up boosters just can't be built fast enough
Imperial before metric, please. We don't understand mini mesurements., with no real reason. Example a foot is 12inches, the size of a average foot.
RIP bird🕊️🍗
I still hate the imperial system and I was born in the US. Compared to the metric system it’s just unnecessary complication having to deal with fractions
Metric is always better but ngl it was nice to be able to see the units and just intuitively get them instead of the quick head conversions I typically have to do. Again not saying imperial is better but it was definitely more comfortable for me.
If elon says February, flight 8 will problably be on June...
you know what else is MASSIVE?
Yuk
New Glenn overall seems much more realistic and achievable and in practice was more successful than starship.
Starship -the most expensive fireworks ever.
No that was BONG's first stage! There must be footage.
@@MarkChamberlain-gq6ru We don't know, it might have lost control and fallen into the ocean without an explosion. (Note "might" - not "had"; it might just as well exploded - we don't know). But Starship is a petard that consistently keeps giving..
Congrats for 600k!
These Starship explosions shouldnt still be happening.
This guys has got to get it together
Rip bird.
The bird was not OK.
Watching from mars hello lazy gen G 🎉🎉🎉 how u doing on earth come on vaccation here in mars here is way more crazy thing happening here
Day 129 of asking you to play REAL SOLAR SYSTEM the KERBAL SPACE PROMGRAM 1 Mod
I prefer imperial units.
Elon Musk is just a professional Kerbal Space Program player
SLS, or the super leaky system, is one of the first government programs that DOGE will axe. And rightly so! What a giant waste of taxpayer money.
The SLS program has put many engineer's kids, and now their kids through college. Why stop the gravy train!
12:42 foreigner frightened by the superior freedom units. We'll use metric when a eurocommunist lands on the moon
12:39
Nope, we Americans like Imperial. 😁