Basically as an INFP I am content sitting and my mind is busy thinking about abstract things. My inner world is so rich that it is enough to amuse and entertain me. The ISFP I imagine will be so restless if he/she can't turn the Fi into something concrete like a painting or a song or something kinetic like extreme sports.
I'm an INFP and I can relate both of what you said. It is a bit frustating to not utilize my flexibility in my movement though I'm not an athletic person.
this helps, im perfectly fine just thinking of stories and creative thoughts and not actually turning them in to written works. id like to but im fine not doing so
My masculine Fi Ne likes to put the emotions into something, honestly like an ISFP. It’s just that I don’t finish what I’m working on most of the time.
Haha I can usually tell easily an isfp, probably since I'm infp, we're quite similar.. Ususally the isfp is the one that does the crazy shit I only think about doing xDDD
That's actually a fit reason. ISFP, as well as ISTP, has Ni child=> Ne blindspot = Ne is about abstract possibilities, patterns, idea theorizing, brainstorming, multiple perspectives etc. Instead, ISFPs observe the concrete reality with Se parent, and like things that they can see, touch, experience, or conceptually understand with Ni right in the moment. INFP has Se blindspot = not very aware of the their surroundings or what "actually happens" (physically), but rather looking at why did the thing happen and what does it mean that it happened with their Extraverted Intuition. They observe the patterns and metaphysical reality, trying to understand their values, and what other people value, overthinking (to others) small insignificant situations, such as how did a situation occurr, what happened prior that had an effect and so on. Basically ISFP is more focused on the now reality, what's possible in the moment. INFP is future focused, what possibilities does the future hold based on the now moment. Also: ISFPs can be more decisive and just start doing whatever they want with their Ni child, although I'm sure ISFPs can be lazy as well--they are Introverted Perceivers after all. The INFP having Ni critic, (=aka Ne parent) makes them criticize single viewpoints or understanding about things, and they keep looking at other possibilities with Ne parent, taking stock of what is possible, to find what is actually the best option or path to take, instead of taking action and picking the option that makes most sense right away. This sometimes can make it take a long time to come to a decision. The way I've understood it, is that INFPs having Ne and Te as their extraverted functions in the 2nd and 4th positions, makes them very open minded (can even seem naive, because of the Se, factual sensible blindspot) toward the mechanical possibilities of things, seeing that spectrum of objective Te facts, ways of doing things and Ne possible consequences and paths to take etc. Basically it can be hard to make a choice because INFPs kinda see the whole spectrum of the objective world, but aren't certain about it (Ti demon). I've heard that ISFPs have easier time taking action, as they "ignore" or "disregard" the consequences (Ne). They do better in taking action and then gaining sensory data from that experience (through Se). ISxPs do not like to sit around thinking things through forever, they like to move on quicker than INxPs. INFPs on the other hand do similar things but in their minds lol. They imagine things with Ne and try to gain understanding of the world that way into their Si child. Instead of the way that ISFPs do it with Se, where they go do things and gain raw sensory data and then compiling, narrowing down, that into an Ni child insight. *TL;DR* relating to your comment. Se parent and Ni child makes the ISFP go for things they see in the environment, rather than to keep thinking about the meaning of things or how they fundamentally work. I have an ISTP friend who plays guitar like I do (I'm an INFP btw) and he doesn't have the time or patience to figure theory out. I've tried to teach him, but for him it takes too long to form a conceptual understanding that is firm and palpable, and he just wants to start playing. I think he might pick up the instrument mechanically better/faster than I do, probably because he has high Ti+Se, and also he just plays and doesn't keep thinking whether he should play or not--something that I do a lot. Edit: Generally speaking, ISFPs (as well as ISTPs) don't enjoy thinking about things that are too far out of the sensory reach. What this means is, while everyone is capable of using their imagination, S-types do not like to spend a lot of time doing that, because of the amount of uncertainty in entertaining such thoughts; I'd say especially SJs don't like to imagine too far out of their understanding of reality, without factual backup. INxPs on the other hand, like to play out every scenario of possibilities when they are looking for the answer. This can also be exhausting when taken too far (overthinking), but they are more comfortable and natural in doing that a lot of the time.
THIS. Just found this test, did it, and this it what I find on TH-cam. Fifth video of this channel? Just feel like I'm getting mocked and confused here, what's this all about dafuq
I’ve thought I was an ISFP for a year, but I can’t rule out FiSi INFP. I’m a real perfectionist and I love to organize. I’d say most people would think I was an ISFJ, and I share a lot in common with my ISFJ grandma. The aesthetic/spontaneous side of the ISFP has never really been relatable to me, so maybe I’m an INFP jumper after all. I certainly enjoy exploring intuitive conversations and I sit around gathering the abstract more than.. going outside? Lol
So true. I'm INFP. My best friend is ISFP. The only way to tell us apart is his extroverted data gathering which when pushed to the extreme makes him quite pedantic compared to me.
I relate more with the Fi-Ni loop. And with the Se being the so called savior, I feel great getting physical being in the moment, not necessarily doing extreme stuff like crazy sports but experiencing the real world. And I think isfp is more aesthetic leaning
Just to be clear guys, facts don't mean trivia or information, but all that you can see, feel or touch. It's using your senses, where as intuition is everything imaginative. Daydreaming, abstract thoughts, concepts, internal worlds are all intuition. It's looking at a statistic and thinking about if it's really true, where as a sensor would probably take it a face value.
Haha I care about my fashion aesthetics, but it's true, I wouldn't get out of my way to wear/do something uncomfortable for the sake of looking fashionable. Like I refuse to wake up early to put on make up, I don't wear heels because they mess up my feet, and on some days I just roll out of bed and put on a hoodie. Also I care more about personal style than what's currently trendy. Like 80% of my closet is black clothes.
@Layered Hollister Polos true true I'm INFP 9w8 which makes me want to be comfy with a hint of uniqueness/details so I look a bit presentable aka a hippie with a sense of fashion. Usually because I see fashion as very useless but I still care about how my Te & Si wants to look, normal, approachable, but my Fi Ne wants to not be bored but my apathy gets to me sometimes. (Yes 9s usually support numbness of feelings, we feel then pretend I never felt that & deal with it later. & my 8w wants to be aggressive with other areas like you know, getting my life together hehe)
I'm not organized in an outward since. I'm very lazy but I do feel like a double observer. I either take things too abstractly or,way too literally. My memory is strong and detailed. Even though my Ne picks up on stuff I like it all to make sense to me. I often seek comfort over novelty
Comfort over novelty... that is so well put. I am the same, yet I also find myself yearning for some kind of novelty, I always hate having to push myself to actually do the things I dream of doing. It’s painful
ENFP looping Ne-Te, here: I grew up in an oppressive environment where it was the only way I could clear space for myself in which to live. -- i.e. consistently presented logical arguments to defend myself from being micromanaged. -- i.e. my Fi is useless in helping me fight off Si monster, but this Te seems to work pretty well. -- in plain words, "You should get off my back and let me splurge on Ne brainstorming. Here's why..."
Finding demon functions, ask mom, dad, sibling, S/O, etc. what were your big blind spots growing up and/or now: Me: doesn't like or believe in himself, doesn't pay bills on time, doesn't clean, collects clutter Sounds like Fi-Si demon functions. This would suggest jumper ESTJ or ENFP.
Dude this! For me it was being gay in school i had to settle my feelings down or "turn them off" and defend myself logically or my emotions would get in the way. Basically finding the tribe reasons on why my identity should be accepted. And whats the worst is when the person is looking for a concrete reason instead of an interpsersonal abstract reason im just like "uuuugh ill fight u ." 😂😂😂
Its,hard to explain but my gut tells me so. I read the actual cognition for isfp it does fit. Plus when a huge group of people tell you you're isfp it sends red flags. I thought I was infp but it did not hit hard enough. My Dad is also isfp and were very identical in behaviours and every thing. Isfps are the nf of sps. But my si sucks because I don't have it. Im lazy and struggle with hygentical stuff. And I thought I had ne it's actually se. I notice things very well when I'm paying attention. I see the weirdest details in social situations that most people miss. I also notice hair colours like if someone changes it I see it. I notice things people wear etc...
P T when a huge group of people who know me for real say I'm an ISFP and the reasons are valid I can't argue. So I'm an S. I focus too much on details and often miss the big picture.
P T I'm flattered I think Infps are amazing. And when I read type differences I relate to 50/50 So I'm like damnit lol. But ISFPs are the NF of the sps and alot of them mistype as INFPs and infjs the more sensory ones miss type as ISFJ
@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa Fi makes one authentic and genuine. Fi users can be more empath than Fe users. That's why people like Fi users as they perceive it as being true.
@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaafi gives authenticity.If fi Dom fully goes for a cause he/she believes in no one could stop them. That's the strength of Fi
Still clear as mud. I am very in-the-moment regarding Art, am very impressionistis and realistic regarding Art. However, daydream a lot. Have daily Se being pretty weak though Art visual Se is extremely good. Am very good at interpreting peoples intent but no clue about what to do about it. Fascinated about the psychic and read almost all fiction. Must be some way of getting best fit rather than actual type.
Let me simplify what Be and See are. Ne is the gathering of concepts and ideas to create something. It's more abstract. Think of it like this. If you use Ne, you may look around a room and dream up crazy, outta nowhere scenarios. "What if a ninja jumps from under the table?", or "What if a tornado busts into the room and tears everything apart? What would that do to me, how would I be prepared?" Se draws from physical surroundings. They are doers, they enjoy the physical aspects of life more than the theoretical. If you use Se, you may think "Hey, I'm gonna go do that thing,'' unlike the Ne user who thinks of different possibilities. Se looks at it's surroundings with a desire to "do", where as Ne looks at it's surroundings for inspiration. You sound like an Ne user of some kind. Forget all of what you heard about tastes in art or music, because all that matters are the functions. As an INFP myself, I love asthetics art, but my mind it filled with possibilities and scenarios. And yet despite my constant inspiration, I have trouble simply being a doer, it's the famous INFP indecisiveness. I'll start a project, yet finish it halfway through because I'm not inspired anymore. Then I'll move on to another thing, and the cycle repeats itself. Remember, you can be an INFP with a developed sense of surroundings, many INFPs develop that as they get older, as have I at only 17 years. Anyways, mad ramblings aside, I hope this helped :)
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Se is about the physicality of the earth, the 5 senses, the body, the surrounding environment- the wind in the trees, the smells in the air, the icing on the cake. NE is about thinking and imagining new concepts, new ideas, and letting your mind wonder around and around trying to find novel ideas or novel things in the environment.
@@orangeziggy348 I highly relate to se but sometimes I think of crazy scenarios but they aren’t necessarily random like for example I live in the us and I’m still in school and there was a shooting in a Texas school and I live in Texas so sometimes in class I’ll think what if a shooter comes and stuff like that would this make me a ne or se user
So I'm at the point where I'm between these two types. I can't figure out my observers at all, because I feel simultaneously good and bad at all of them haha. Like, I'm kind of organized, but kind of not, and I love to gather, but then get overwhelmed by too much gathering. I feel balanced between the two. Also, would an INFP with savior Si "look like" a mini ISFJ, and an ISFP with savior Ni "look like" a mini INFJ?
@@marous91 this, I'm not sure if I'm Ni/Fi or Fi/Ni. I see my life as being more about control vs chaos than self vs tribe but apparently people often get that wrong for some reason
Everyone really just fits into a vibe that intuitives can see the best. Like how people of the same time look similar, there’s no real way to teach someone how to type people
I feel like ISFP would give a more concrete explanation based on facts. But with INFP, I imagine would be more vague. If you want a concise solution, tried and true one then go to ISFP. And if you met someone that has know-it-all attitude, then most likely it's INFP.
It seems that imaging is talked about very little on the Web with MBTI. To me imaging is very important especially when working with P functions and the J introverted functions. Example: Se is going to see the image in their mind as they observe it. Si takes the image and relates with Fi to how they want to see it. Intuition can also play in by coming up with more visual ideas. Bottom line though is Fi is the judge determining the best visual appearance.
Looking at the PoLR function makes it much easier. Visually I've noticed Isfps have what the Asians call Aegyo-sal naturally under their eyes and Infps don't. Se users seem to have that. Higher the Se the more prominent.
What does he mean when he says "Your life is about controlling"? Does anyone have an example of an INFP jumper and/or ISFP jumper who is about controlling? As an INFP I hate the idea of being controlling, but I want to see if that is something I do. I just want to make sure I am not being congnitively biased and I really am an unaware ISFP jumper.
I don't know about the jumper thing. The cognitive functions still confuse the heck out of me. People mistype me as an ISFP. I don't relate to anything I read about them though. SO, take what I say with a grain of salt lol. When it comes to control- the idea of controlling other people rubs me the wrong way. But, because I'm a big picture thinker, I need to go over (and over and over) all possible interactions and lines of communication before appointments and such. When I take a trip, I imagine every single way things could go horribly wrong. It doesn't scare me, it helps me prepare and control the outcome. I absolutely need to control my environment. I don't like surprises, being caught off guard, or being perceived as stupid or incapable. Chaos is my number one enemy because I have to relinquish that control.
I'm relatively new to this, but I think what he means by controlling is just organizing the information (extroverted) with relation to the self (introverted). So if you observe the connections/principles/patterns of your environment (Ne), you will do that to inform your sense of what was/is/should be (Si). That's INFP. For example, seeing a couple arguing, extracting the concept of disagreement or discontent (Ne) to create an opinion like "Love is full of pain" (Si) or something like that. For ISFP, it's would be like observing the couple's body language/what they look like/the weather, etc. (Se) and connecting it to your path/intentions/desire (Ni) to create a decision or reaction like "They sound pissed, I don't like their tone, I'll walk around them to stay out of it". I think that's why ISFPs tend to be more "doers" than "dreamers". Preferring control makes sense. It's always less work to jump to conclusions, and introverts are more comfortable in their heads than interacting with the outer world. Just taking in information without organizing it would be pretty chaotic feeling for a creature designed to preserve itself, hence "organization" meaning "control". Like I said, I'm new to this, so be skeptical. Any critique is appreciated!.
@@Maria-ir1wq Yeahhhh, so gimme a video describing all that in detail, and slower?^^ Just did this MBT test and this shit here is just confusing oO I just feel mocked by this channel lol
@@BLoodyEx th-cam.com/video/BEB5Le9kfgo/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/VMFAkq97kU4/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/PzL2G_zUnpk/w-d-xo.html hopefully these lists of videos help
Jung did that because he assume think that the auxiliary, tertiary, and inferior functions were differentiated in attitude. Meaning the attitude function of the function type. For example he would differentiate the two by saying one was FiNx and the other FiSx. So he didn't assume that each type would have auxiliary that had a different attitude type to the dominant function.
I think I might be angling more towards INFP because with History class for example, if there's no test coming up soon I might just have a general idea and see the patterns of what we've been learning about (Ne), but when I have to study for a test I have to achieve more than this mental image and actually gather and organize all the facts (dates, etc...) from our History course (Si)
Can someone explain me the difference between ENFP and ISFP? I think i’m more ISFP but i sometimes have this random bursts of ideas ENFP has and get over excited like ENFP.I’m 100% not INFP.
Are you a doer or a dreamer? ISFPs are more hands on than ENFPs, even if ENFPs are idea powerhouses. Basically, here's how I describe Ne vs Se. If Se is slapstick humor, than Ne is puns or play on words. Se is concerned with the physical and immediate, where as Ne connects two seemingly unrelated things to firm a punchline.
Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase follow this structure to be more pedagogic: Prework: Tell us how you define each function, according to the theory you have developed. where are the overlaps between functions, what is more specific to each? first the principles that govern them, then concrete examples. Then: 1. How do Different Personality Type React to a Certain Situation (fears, self confidence, course of action, ) the "what" 2.How does the Functions Influence This behavior? the "why" 4. How does this contrast to other personality types? the "how" 3.Tie it back to your theory: (Four human fears?, what do you call it?)
they go in to more detail in the classes on their website, which you have to have a paid monthly membership to be able to access. They've spent 20 years developing their system so they're not going to just give out all their info for free.
Im an ENTP hand have brains of steel(which makes me hard headed). Any way i digress. I observed both and believe it or not my female best friend is INFP. The reason i get along with INFP is because i have a well developed Fe function and im here to tell you that there is a specific characteristic that one has which the other doesnt have and that is a simple thing as a smile. INFPs have a forced brief smile while ISFP has a relaxed long lasting smile. There you go. INFP vs ISFP in a nutshell
I don't know whether you had covered it. However, can you discuss the Ni-Fi loop when it comes to the INTJ. Although there have been websites that have covered it, there are still some things that don't make sense. Just out of curiosity, it would also be nice if you could do a contrast or comparison to the Te-Se loop for ENTJ. Thanks in advance. These brief videos are very helpful.
4:34 INFP - Fi Ne Si Te this feel right, didn’t know if I was for sure a infp because I didn’t really understand the spectrum thingy - Thank you for making me laugh ✨🤣✨!!!
Now I feel confused because I don't really hate thinking about why I feel about things in certain way, for me it's kind of fun actually. But my problem is more of a "why people don't like the things I like? I mean, it's subjective, but I can't relate with their feelings, and because feelings are just our unconsuis acting up there should be A REASON for them not liking what I like, and I should have a REASON to like what I like too, cause otherwise it would be unfair." Does anybody know what functions can work like this? 🤷♀️
filthy casual Try to look for your F function, do your morals & world views come from within or from society? Do you expect others to behave a certain socially acceptable way or do you emphasize on individualism? If you're an Fi, then you could be ENFP & vice versa
Question. Is Sensing an Angel or a Demon if you have a really hard time thinking of anything else when your senses are engaged? Like if it's really noisy and you can't concentrate on something else, or something is uncomfortable and you can't stop thinking of that thing.
Elizabeth Phillips I think you need to revisit what Extroverted and Introverted Sensing are, because they don’t really deal with the five senses in that way. What you’re describing isn’t really a MBTI issue. Sorry if that’s not overly helpful.
Might be Savior NE (or your Sleep/Consume) being invaded by Se's hyper-awareness of loud noises in the environment, with result that the noise keeps pulling you out of your NE.
If it's true that so many people have duel extroverted or introverted functions ( like an ISFP who uses ni more than se for example), doesn't that mean the entire theory of functions needs to be revised? You use it as a convenient way of explaining some of the contradictions, but don't seem to acknowledge that it undermines one of the foundational principles of mbti...
Arch I agree. Though I must admit since my friends & I started using the "human needs" (or better yet "human fears" haha) we've got better at typing, and somehow got better in predicting behaviors & attitudes. Yet I agree, like the nature of Te, for example, isn't primarily used for tribe validation though a pairing of Te-Fi can work like a heavily processed Fe. I feel this coz I'm an ESTJ and it was very difficult for me to get social acceptance when I was a kid. Most of the time my friends saw me as bigoted & convoluted when all I ever wanted was to fix what I thought was a problem or to streamline an otherwise unnecessarily ineffecient way of doing things (especially in games we played). I got terribly bullied in high school which made me run away from my Si aux causing me to technically ruin my life these past ten years. I've been constantly mistyped as INFJ or ENTP by those online tests but my fiance & I started digging into mbti & somehow the past few months of my life has been wonderfully rehabilitative for me as I actually landed a job just by figuring out how to rely on my previously hated aux function! It was also doubly productive for my fiancee as she was ISTP & developing her Fe helped her land a promotion! Davesuperpowers certainly has a point but he's not the only sources we relied on--we even relied on the perspective of a friend of ours who was a professional & licensed psychotherapist. And we agree this oversimplification is shying away from the crucial nuances that the cognitive functions really show us. Then again, we're complex creatures so yeah. Nevertheless as for career help though (or at least to help with managing relationships) this simplification helps a lot!
I've wondered this too. I've also wondered if one can switch between their demonstrative function and their creative function and be functioning as their "shadow" self because of life experiences? This year I found out I am a Ni Fe who was turned off using Fe using it because of harsh criticism and bullying I got for using it. I grew up trying to use "Fi" and mistyping as an INxP as a result.
Andrew Caleb Gorospe I also agree that the whole needs/fears dynamic is the most interesting part of his new approach to typing. The thing is he talks a lot about mbti taking the necessary steps to becoming legitimate science, but has only experimented with typing will assuming that the theory itself is completely valid... Instead of rationalizing the blindspots, someone should revise briggs' work to accommodate them. Until then I'm afraid it's going to have to stay in the pseudoscience designation :(. Still fun though... Validity aside, I'm glad to hear you, your wife and probably many other peple were able to get so much out of it. Generally speaking what he says in these videos IS still good advice. I've consistently tested as INTP and I've always thought that my communication skills (weak fe I guess) were my biggest weakness, but after hearing him talk about the whole fear of the tribe thing, I've begun to really look for a different approach to get what I'm think across. Also you really do come off as a high Te user. Caring more about how effective it's been for you and your friends instead of if it's true or not. Not a bad thing though. I feel like I shouldn't care as much about things like this.
Bug Folk bullied for using Fe? That's a kinda hard to picture. Were you in military school or something? It's also hard to imagine forcing yourself to switch to your shadow function, but who knows. Maybe it's possible. I'd imagine that it's incredibly draining.
Not military school. Just being someone with high functioning autism in a small public school system that had no clue how to handle such people. This is the late 80's- mid 90's mind you. Autism back then was poorly understood in general. It was treated more as a behavioral problem than what it is, sensory processing issues. Being female interested in boy type things like insects and reptiles also alienated me from the other girls growing up. I played better with the boys, but got confused when they turned on me at recess and picked on me about cooties, kissing and whatnot. None of those things were happening. The other girls were jealous, I think but not sure. They were just mean. Tore my coat and threw rocks at me. I also got picked on heavily for having severe seasonal allergies and being the sick one all the time as a result. Because I learned to talk in Colorado before moving to WI, I was also made fun for having an accent. Talking differently in general. Asking stuff like Okay at the end of my sentences. Fe made me feel like I was doing something wrong for being different. So yeah I shut off Fe (or desired to), because I felt terrible for being the odd one out, wanting to have friends, be included but rejected. Felt like no matter how hard I tried I was missing what was needed to connect with the other children. My mother helped but as an INFP if I had any criticisms about her behavior, she took it very personally and would yell back at me, Fi-Te style, with some added Si thrown in, guilt trip me and whatnot. So no I didn't really appreciate the thing that made me feel constantly out of place. But now as an adult when I use it, I feel empowered. I can connect with customers and use it to provide guest service. But it took me to my 20's and 30's to appreciate Fe for what it should be.
The real INFP’s gets bored with all this comparisons over youtube because REAL INFP don’t care about all this shit instead we (INFP) cares more on what we can offer to make things better... comparisons and social stigma and dogma sucks! We do what we want to do! Hate the rules but never break it because you’ll be in jail...
ISFPs are more factual, sensory, they ARE 'intuitive' , they organise patterns INFPs are more hypothetical, idea generating, gathering patterns, tangible
He theorized in one of his early videos that Se and Ne are information gatherers. You're so far up your ass that you think Se is all about football, gamble and skydiving
WhoWillYouCallOnThen? Fact here does not mean the general knowledge or statistics one. It means what your can sense directly, what you can see directly, hear directly, smell directly. Intuition is imagination, filling the gaps between the unseen data, finding invisible connections between two separate things, forming patterns, imagining possibilities.
@@nachiketpargaonkar8646 As an Ne user myself, I'm a very analytical person, but all of the info I gather is meant to connect patterns and correlations.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 The more we learn about this stuff, the more confusing it gets! Even I don't know the precise definitions of these terms anymore
It's good that you're taking seriously the criticism that function stacks are a bit arbitrary. If auxiliary intuition is your demon, then labeling you as an intuitive becomes debatable. In that case there could be anywhere between 96 (16 general types with 6 permutations each) and 40,320 (8! permutations of all the functions) actual types. If you further distinguish what you're good/bad at from what you respect/fear - you could have anywhere from 1-4 saviors/demons in any of your functions - then the number of types could be expanded into the millions. I like that you're trying to take the pseudoscience out of MBTI, but I think labeling people so specifically is a fool's errand.
Bogdán Komáromi Thanks, if you give your demons almost as much time as your dominant one, can they become almost as strong as your saviors do you think?
The dominant-inferior axis is the real deal. The over reliance on one will lead to a severe lack of the other. The middle parts of the stack is what makes it tricky. This is what I've learned so far from his videos (I hope it helps!): Decider/Preference functions: Fx/Tx Observer/Informing functions: Nx/Sx Self-first vs social-acceptance: Lead Fi (IxFP's) Lead Ti (IxTP's) Control-dependent vs chaos: Lead Si (ISxJ's) Lead Ni (INxJ's) Freedom-oriented vs authority/control: Lead Ne (ENxP's) Lead Se (ESxP's) Responsibility-prioritizing vs personal identity: Lead Te (ExTJ's) Lead Fe (ExFJ's) Those issues are their core issues or at least is reflected heavily in their thought processes. But then the existence of the aux. & tert. functions adds this layer of complexity which is further complicated by the addition of discovering the "tertiary loops" where due to circumstances a certain type is forced to be afraid of his/her aux.function & becomes heavily dependent on his/her tert.function, then aux.func. is then "borrowed" by the inferior func. and pairs up to become a demon function, as Jung pointed out whatever part of you that you reject it becomes the shadow.
+ Juan Cena Uhhh.. Because there's a fixed number of functions? And each function has an opposite/other end to it to even work/exist (aka Yin Yang or Hot Cold)? It's not that hard. Look, for anything to happen in psychology you need a subject and and object (so the functions, a facet of cognition, reflect that.). Lastly, and I guess most importantly for you, there is no 'stack'. It's a only a model like a molecule, molecules don't really look like outdated solar system maps, it's a picture of what's going on. But there is an order, Why? Because of what Dave's said about muscle imbalances. If you love one, you're going to hate/ignore the other, in working with your middle two, you're going to use one to feed the other. This will give you a 'stack' naturally. Oil floats on Water, Up hill is also downhill. Make sense?
I’ve thought for a long time that I’m an INFP but once I learned the difference between Se and Si I’m confused. I know I’m one of the two but I think I use extroverted sensing more than introverted sensing.
Ne-Si balance each other. Si grounds Ne. Si tells Ne that it needs to organize the data, so it can be stored for future reference. Ne tells Si that it needs to go out and get more information for it to store. Remembering that stuff will help.
Basically as an INFP I am content sitting and my mind is busy thinking about abstract things. My inner world is so rich that it is enough to amuse and entertain me. The ISFP I imagine will be so restless if he/she can't turn the Fi into something concrete like a painting or a song or something kinetic like extreme sports.
I'm an INFP and I can relate both of what you said. It is a bit frustating to not utilize my flexibility in my movement though I'm not an athletic person.
this helps, im perfectly fine just thinking of stories and creative thoughts and not actually turning them in to written works. id like to but im fine not doing so
If you don't mind, could you give examples of "abstract things" you might think about?
ISFPs also are quite abstract ive heard
My masculine Fi Ne likes to put the emotions into something, honestly like an ISFP. It’s just that I don’t finish what I’m working on most of the time.
Haha I can usually tell easily an isfp, probably since I'm infp, we're quite similar.. Ususally the isfp is the one that does the crazy shit I only think about doing xDDD
yep. we may be quiet but we’re wildddddd
That depends on the energy animal- of youre a sleep and consume first then youre probably not going to be a wild ISFP.
I knew i was ISFP when i realized theory bores me
So if it's fascinating to me I'm an INFP?
That's actually a fit reason. ISFP, as well as ISTP, has Ni child=> Ne blindspot = Ne is about abstract possibilities, patterns, idea theorizing, brainstorming, multiple perspectives etc. Instead, ISFPs observe the concrete reality with Se parent, and like things that they can see, touch, experience, or conceptually understand with Ni right in the moment.
INFP has Se blindspot = not very aware of the their surroundings or what "actually happens" (physically), but rather looking at why did the thing happen and what does it mean that it happened with their Extraverted Intuition. They observe the patterns and metaphysical reality, trying to understand their values, and what other people value, overthinking (to others) small insignificant situations, such as how did a situation occurr, what happened prior that had an effect and so on.
Basically ISFP is more focused on the now reality, what's possible in the moment.
INFP is future focused, what possibilities does the future hold based on the now moment.
Also: ISFPs can be more decisive and just start doing whatever they want with their Ni child, although I'm sure ISFPs can be lazy as well--they are Introverted Perceivers after all.
The INFP having Ni critic, (=aka Ne parent) makes them criticize single viewpoints or understanding about things, and they keep looking at other possibilities with Ne parent, taking stock of what is possible, to find what is actually the best option or path to take, instead of taking action and picking the option that makes most sense right away. This sometimes can make it take a long time to come to a decision. The way I've understood it, is that INFPs having Ne and Te as their extraverted functions in the 2nd and 4th positions, makes them very open minded (can even seem naive, because of the Se, factual sensible blindspot) toward the mechanical possibilities of things, seeing that spectrum of objective Te facts, ways of doing things and Ne possible consequences and paths to take etc. Basically it can be hard to make a choice because INFPs kinda see the whole spectrum of the objective world, but aren't certain about it (Ti demon).
I've heard that ISFPs have easier time taking action, as they "ignore" or "disregard" the consequences (Ne). They do better in taking action and then gaining sensory data from that experience (through Se). ISxPs do not like to sit around thinking things through forever, they like to move on quicker than INxPs.
INFPs on the other hand do similar things but in their minds lol. They imagine things with Ne and try to gain understanding of the world that way into their Si child. Instead of the way that ISFPs do it with Se, where they go do things and gain raw sensory data and then compiling, narrowing down, that into an Ni child insight.
*TL;DR* relating to your comment. Se parent and Ni child makes the ISFP go for things they see in the environment, rather than to keep thinking about the meaning of things or how they fundamentally work.
I have an ISTP friend who plays guitar like I do (I'm an INFP btw) and he doesn't have the time or patience to figure theory out. I've tried to teach him, but for him it takes too long to form a conceptual understanding that is firm and palpable, and he just wants to start playing. I think he might pick up the instrument mechanically better/faster than I do, probably because he has high Ti+Se, and also he just plays and doesn't keep thinking whether he should play or not--something that I do a lot.
Edit: Generally speaking, ISFPs (as well as ISTPs) don't enjoy thinking about things that are too far out of the sensory reach. What this means is, while everyone is capable of using their imagination, S-types do not like to spend a lot of time doing that, because of the amount of uncertainty in entertaining such thoughts; I'd say especially SJs don't like to imagine too far out of their understanding of reality, without factual backup. INxPs on the other hand, like to play out every scenario of possibilities when they are looking for the answer. This can also be exhausting when taken too far (overthinking), but they are more comfortable and natural in doing that a lot of the time.
@@era1442 ok thank you this clears it I'm an isfp, 😺 took so long! I love you
@@era1442 do you have kik/twitter id love to have a conversation with regarding this topic because i need some help
@@trollloloololooo I'm glad if I could be of any help :). I just updated my comment a little, more information and some editing.
Yeah, I don't know what that means. Tell me like i'm 5.
THIS. Just found this test, did it, and this it what I find on TH-cam. Fifth video of this channel? Just feel like I'm getting mocked and confused here, what's this all about dafuq
I’ve thought I was an ISFP for a year, but I can’t rule out FiSi INFP. I’m a real perfectionist and I love to organize. I’d say most people would think I was an ISFJ, and I share a lot in common with my ISFJ grandma. The aesthetic/spontaneous side of the ISFP has never really been relatable to me, so maybe I’m an INFP jumper after all. I certainly enjoy exploring intuitive conversations and I sit around gathering the abstract more than.. going outside? Lol
So true. I'm INFP. My best friend is ISFP. The only way to tell us apart is his extroverted data gathering which when pushed to the extreme makes him quite pedantic compared to me.
I relate more with the Fi-Ni loop.
And with the Se being the so called savior, I feel great getting physical being in the moment, not necessarily doing extreme stuff like crazy sports but experiencing the real world.
And I think isfp is more aesthetic leaning
Just to be clear guys, facts don't mean trivia or information, but all that you can see, feel or touch. It's using your senses, where as intuition is everything imaginative. Daydreaming, abstract thoughts, concepts, internal worlds are all intuition. It's looking at a statistic and thinking about if it's really true, where as a sensor would probably take it a face value.
infp fashion sense: if it's comfy, I fit
i do that but if im infp or isfp
Haha I care about my fashion aesthetics, but it's true, I wouldn't get out of my way to wear/do something uncomfortable for the sake of looking fashionable. Like I refuse to wake up early to put on make up, I don't wear heels because they mess up my feet, and on some days I just roll out of bed and put on a hoodie. Also I care more about personal style than what's currently trendy. Like 80% of my closet is black clothes.
not true. as an INFP i like to express my indiviuality and uniqueness by dressing in an interesting way.
@Layered Hollister Polos i am an Infp 3w4
@Layered Hollister Polos true true I'm INFP 9w8 which makes me want to be comfy with a hint of uniqueness/details so I look a bit presentable aka a hippie with a sense of fashion. Usually because I see fashion as very useless but I still care about how my Te & Si wants to look, normal, approachable, but my Fi Ne wants to not be bored but my apathy gets to me sometimes. (Yes 9s usually support numbness of feelings, we feel then pretend I never felt that & deal with it later. & my 8w wants to be aggressive with other areas like you know, getting my life together hehe)
can you say all that again but in English, please? I didn't understand a thing.
exactly this.
Winner’s here
I'm not organized in an outward since. I'm very lazy but I do feel like a double observer. I either take things too abstractly or,way too literally. My memory is strong and detailed. Even though my Ne picks up on stuff I like it all to make sense to me. I often seek comfort over novelty
Charles Benson what's your type? (New).
INFP
Is Charles an ISFP? Coz this comments sounds ISFP lol.
Comfort over novelty... that is so well put. I am the same, yet I also find myself yearning for some kind of novelty, I always hate having to push myself to actually do the things I dream of doing. It’s painful
Charles Benson MF-Fi/Si-SC/B(P)
ENFP looping Ne-Te, here:
I grew up in an oppressive environment where it was the only way I could clear space for myself in which to live.
-- i.e. consistently presented logical arguments to defend myself from being micromanaged.
-- i.e. my Fi is useless in helping me fight off Si monster, but this Te seems to work pretty well.
-- in plain words, "You should get off my back and let me splurge on Ne brainstorming. Here's why..."
Finding demon functions, ask mom, dad, sibling, S/O, etc. what were your big blind spots growing up and/or now:
Me: doesn't like or believe in himself, doesn't pay bills on time, doesn't clean, collects clutter
Sounds like Fi-Si demon functions. This would suggest jumper ESTJ or ENFP.
Dude this! For me it was being gay in school i had to settle my feelings down or "turn them off" and defend myself logically or my emotions would get in the way. Basically finding the tribe reasons on why my identity should be accepted. And whats the worst is when the person is looking for a concrete reason instead of an interpsersonal abstract reason im just like "uuuugh ill fight u ." 😂😂😂
@@austinharris7653 This is also what happened to me lol it is hard to live with homophobes so you improve your Si, Te
Excellent description of why Jumpers Jump!
Ok im ISFP thought I was infp but no I gather actual data and try to paint a big picture with data
P T I still feel more ISFP. But the 2 types are so alike it can be very confusing. Alot of my videos are home guitar rigs too
Its,hard to explain but my gut tells me so. I read the actual cognition for isfp it does fit. Plus when a huge group of people tell you you're isfp it sends red flags. I thought I was infp but it did not hit hard enough. My Dad is also isfp and were very identical in behaviours and every thing. Isfps are the nf of sps. But my si sucks because I don't have it. Im lazy and struggle with hygentical stuff. And I thought I had ne it's actually se. I notice things very well when I'm paying attention. I see the weirdest details in social situations that most people miss. I also notice hair colours like if someone changes it I see it. I notice things people wear etc...
P T I still feel more like an sp and when a huge group of people point it out and they give good details why I don't argue
P T when a huge group of people who know me for real say I'm an ISFP and the reasons are valid I can't argue. So I'm an S. I focus too much on details and often miss the big picture.
P T I'm flattered I think Infps are amazing. And when I read type differences I relate to 50/50 So I'm like damnit lol. But ISFPs are the NF of the sps and alot of them mistype as INFPs and infjs the more sensory ones miss type as ISFJ
Wow. This settled everything. :) thank you for confirming me & my istp fiance's suspicions: I'm not enfp, I'm a broken estj.
all us isfps are the knights of ni
I’m am INFP. I said ‘yes’ aloud about four times in this video. Spot on.
When you're an infp but you favor your extraverted thinking
you're basically in a grip
Just want to inform you that demon Te burnout is real. Been there.
Do you really? You might need to be honest with yourself first.
@@negan4269 that's not true lol
Te grip lol
Love this video Dave. Need a lot of help breaking the mbti mold in my brain lol
I feel sorry for those poor saps that don't respect their primary function. INFPs who hate Fi, ESTPs that hate their Se, etc.
ISFP here. I hate Fi. It's literally good for nothing, at least Fe users can make good therapists. I'm just useless :(
BLACKPINK in your area! Without Fi everything would be less authentic:)
@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa Fi makes one authentic and genuine. Fi users can be more empath than Fe users. That's why people like Fi users as they perceive it as being true.
@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaafi gives authenticity.If fi Dom fully goes for a cause he/she believes in no one could stop them. That's the strength of Fi
Still clear as mud. I am very in-the-moment regarding Art, am very impressionistis and realistic regarding Art. However, daydream a lot. Have daily Se being pretty weak though Art visual Se is extremely good. Am very good at interpreting peoples intent but no clue about what to do about it. Fascinated about the psychic and read almost all fiction. Must be some way of getting best fit rather than actual type.
Let me simplify what Be and See are. Ne is the gathering of concepts and ideas to create something. It's more abstract. Think of it like this. If you use Ne, you may look around a room and dream up crazy, outta nowhere scenarios. "What if a ninja jumps from under the table?", or "What if a tornado busts into the room and tears everything apart? What would that do to me, how would I be prepared?"
Se draws from physical surroundings. They are doers, they enjoy the physical aspects of life more than the theoretical. If you use Se, you may think "Hey, I'm gonna go do that thing,'' unlike the Ne user who thinks of different possibilities.
Se looks at it's surroundings with a desire to "do", where as Ne looks at it's surroundings for inspiration.
You sound like an Ne user of some kind. Forget all of what you heard about tastes in art or music, because all that matters are the functions. As an INFP myself, I love asthetics art, but my mind it filled with possibilities and scenarios. And yet despite my constant inspiration, I have trouble simply being a doer, it's the famous INFP indecisiveness. I'll start a project, yet finish it halfway through because I'm not inspired anymore. Then I'll move on to another thing, and the cycle repeats itself.
Remember, you can be an INFP with a developed sense of surroundings, many INFPs develop that as they get older, as have I at only 17 years.
Anyways, mad ramblings aside, I hope this helped :)
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Se is about the physicality of the earth, the 5 senses, the body, the surrounding environment- the wind in the trees, the smells in the air, the icing on the cake. NE is about thinking and imagining new concepts, new ideas, and letting your mind wonder around and around trying to find novel ideas or novel things in the environment.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 I highly relate to se but sometimes I think of crazy random scenarios they don’t usually come out of no where though
@@orangeziggy348 I highly relate to se but sometimes I think of crazy scenarios but they aren’t necessarily random like for example I live in the us and I’m still in school and there was a shooting in a Texas school and I live in Texas so sometimes in class I’ll think what if a shooter comes and stuff like that would this make me a ne or se user
@@orangeziggy348 basically I’m saying I think of crazy scenarios but they are usually based of something I am currently seeing or I saw before
So I'm at the point where I'm between these two types. I can't figure out my observers at all, because I feel simultaneously good and bad at all of them haha. Like, I'm kind of organized, but kind of not, and I love to gather, but then get overwhelmed by too much gathering. I feel balanced between the two. Also, would an INFP with savior Si "look like" a mini ISFJ, and an ISFP with savior Ni "look like" a mini INFJ?
I think an ISFP with savior Ni looks more like an INTJ, as they share the same functions.
Rather it would b a INFP a mini ISTJ and a ISFP a mini INTJ. Letters don't matter, functions do.
@@marous91 this, I'm not sure if I'm Ni/Fi or Fi/Ni. I see my life as being more about control vs chaos than self vs tribe but apparently people often get that wrong for some reason
@@muhsinashardow998 this is why i see an ISTJ in myself if i like what im doing
All INFPS get overwhelmed by too much NE Gathering, that's normal. Once you get overwhelmed, you swing back to your FI.
i cringe whenever someone says they’re deciding between INFJ and INFP.. they don’t have a single function in common 💀
I got "you have little to no preference for thinking over feeling" on one test and the opposite on another.
Everyone really just fits into a vibe that intuitives can see the best. Like how people of the same time look similar, there’s no real way to teach someone how to type people
I feel like ISFP would give a more concrete explanation based on facts. But with INFP, I imagine would be more vague. If you want a concise solution, tried and true one then go to ISFP.
And if you met someone that has know-it-all attitude, then most likely it's INFP.
It seems that imaging is talked about very little on the Web with MBTI. To me imaging is very important especially when working with P functions and the J introverted functions. Example: Se is going to see the image in their mind as they observe it. Si takes the image and relates with Fi to how they want to see it. Intuition can also play in by coming up with more visual ideas. Bottom line though is Fi is the judge determining the best visual appearance.
Looking at the PoLR function makes it much easier. Visually I've noticed Isfps have what the Asians call Aegyo-sal naturally under their eyes and Infps don't. Se users seem to have that. Higher the Se the more prominent.
Where does that come from? I mean I don't see any correlation between cognitive functions and having something under your eyes...
What does he mean when he says "Your life is about controlling"? Does anyone have an example of an INFP jumper and/or ISFP jumper who is about controlling? As an INFP I hate the idea of being controlling, but I want to see if that is something I do. I just want to make sure I am not being congnitively biased and I really am an unaware ISFP jumper.
I don't know about the jumper thing. The cognitive functions still confuse the heck out of me. People mistype me as an ISFP. I don't relate to anything I read about them though. SO, take what I say with a grain of salt lol.
When it comes to control- the idea of controlling other people rubs me the wrong way. But, because I'm a big picture thinker, I need to go over (and over and over) all possible interactions and lines of communication before appointments and such. When I take a trip, I imagine every single way things could go horribly wrong. It doesn't scare me, it helps me prepare and control the outcome. I absolutely need to control my environment. I don't like surprises, being caught off guard, or being perceived as stupid or incapable.
Chaos is my number one enemy because I have to relinquish that control.
I'm relatively new to this, but I think what he means by controlling is just organizing the information (extroverted) with relation to the self (introverted).
So if you observe the connections/principles/patterns of your environment (Ne), you will do that to inform your sense of what was/is/should be (Si). That's INFP. For example, seeing a couple arguing, extracting the concept of disagreement or discontent (Ne) to create an opinion like "Love is full of pain" (Si) or something like that.
For ISFP, it's would be like observing the couple's body language/what they look like/the weather, etc. (Se) and connecting it to your path/intentions/desire (Ni) to create a decision or reaction like "They sound pissed, I don't like their tone, I'll walk around them to stay out of it". I think that's why ISFPs tend to be more "doers" than "dreamers".
Preferring control makes sense. It's always less work to jump to conclusions, and introverts are more comfortable in their heads than interacting with the outer world. Just taking in information without organizing it would be pretty chaotic feeling for a creature designed to preserve itself, hence "organization" meaning "control".
Like I said, I'm new to this, so be skeptical. Any critique is appreciated!.
@@genericbotface you said you’re new but this is actually a really great explanation!
This is just making me confused with all the random letters ToT
Lilo those are the cognitive functions, It's important to know them to understand the video
@@Maria-ir1wq Yeahhhh, so gimme a video describing all that in detail, and slower?^^ Just did this MBT test and this shit here is just confusing oO I just feel mocked by this channel lol
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Jung did that because he assume think that the auxiliary, tertiary, and inferior functions were differentiated in attitude. Meaning the attitude function of the function type. For example he would differentiate the two by saying one was FiNx and the other FiSx. So he didn't assume that each type would have auxiliary that had a different attitude type to the dominant function.
I think I might be angling more towards INFP because with History class for example, if there's no test coming up soon I might just have a general idea and see the patterns of what we've been learning about (Ne), but when I have to study for a test I have to achieve more than this mental image and actually gather and organize all the facts (dates, etc...) from our History course (Si)
Where did you come from!? Bout to binge on your channel, bro. NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can someone explain me the difference between ENFP and ISFP? I think i’m more ISFP but i sometimes have this random bursts of ideas ENFP has and get over excited like ENFP.I’m 100% not INFP.
Are you a doer or a dreamer? ISFPs are more hands on than ENFPs, even if ENFPs are idea powerhouses.
Basically, here's how I describe Ne vs Se. If Se is slapstick humor, than Ne is puns or play on words. Se is concerned with the physical and immediate, where as Ne connects two seemingly unrelated things to firm a punchline.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Yet, ENFPs are chads that also like hands on activities, yet with burst of ideas.
Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase follow this structure to be more pedagogic:
Prework: Tell us how you define each function, according to the theory you have developed. where are the overlaps between functions, what is more specific to each? first the principles that govern them, then concrete examples.
Then:
1. How do Different Personality Type React to a Certain Situation (fears, self confidence, course of action, ) the "what"
2.How does the Functions Influence This behavior? the "why"
4. How does this contrast to other personality types? the "how"
3.Tie it back to your theory: (Four human fears?, what do you call it?)
they go in to more detail in the classes on their website, which you have to have a paid monthly membership to be able to access. They've spent 20 years developing their system so they're not going to just give out all their info for free.
@@cecidoo4003 thanks I discovered that two years ago
Sam School glad to hear it lol
ceci doo hey at least you showed you care! 😂
Im an ENTP hand have brains of steel(which makes me hard headed). Any way i digress. I observed both and believe it or not my female best friend is INFP. The reason i get along with INFP is because i have a well developed Fe function and im here to tell you that there is a specific characteristic that one has which the other doesnt have and that is a simple thing as a smile. INFPs have a forced brief smile while ISFP has a relaxed long lasting smile. There you go. INFP vs ISFP in a nutshell
i might be an isfp who never uses Se or an INFP who can only use Ne on command or when something really quick is happening
Wow. I'm going to have to watch this a few more times to get my head around it. God knows if I'm a jumper. I don't think so.
I don't know whether you had covered it. However, can you discuss the Ni-Fi loop when it comes to the INTJ. Although there have been websites that have covered it, there are still some things that don't make sense. Just out of curiosity, it would also be nice if you could do a contrast or comparison to the Te-Se loop for ENTJ. Thanks in advance. These brief videos are very helpful.
Yes my father-in-law controlling INFP as head of church and family.
And my soon to be ex-wife controlling ISFP getting pregnant on her terms.
4:34 INFP - Fi Ne Si Te this feel right, didn’t know if I was for sure a infp because I didn’t really understand the spectrum thingy - Thank you for making me laugh ✨🤣✨!!!
Enfj vs esfj please
YES!
I'm listening to these videos Dave but it's not improving my flying ;-D
Nice to hear from you though!
I used to think I was an N but yeah I use Se and my S and N are very balanced so yeah I'm a double observer
this didnt really help
Now I feel confused because I don't really hate thinking about why I feel about things in certain way, for me it's kind of fun actually. But my problem is more of a "why people don't like the things I like? I mean, it's subjective, but I can't relate with their feelings, and because feelings are just our unconsuis acting up there should be A REASON for them not liking what I like, and I should have a REASON to like what I like too, cause otherwise it would be unfair."
Does anybody know what functions can work like this? 🤷♀️
Im kinda confused, my MBTI type is INFP but I did a cognitive func test and got extraverted intuition as my main function. Am I actually an ENFP?
filthy casual
Try to look for your F function, do your morals & world views come from within or from society? Do you expect others to behave a certain socially acceptable way or do you emphasize on individualism? If you're an Fi, then you could be ENFP & vice versa
Cognitive Function of an INFP is Fi Ne Si Te. Ne stands for Extraverted Intuition. So yeah, you're probably an INFP.
Question. Is Sensing an Angel or a Demon if you have a really hard time thinking of anything else when your senses are engaged? Like if it's really noisy and you can't concentrate on something else, or something is uncomfortable and you can't stop thinking of that thing.
Elizabeth Phillips I think you need to revisit what Extroverted and Introverted Sensing are, because they don’t really deal with the five senses in that way. What you’re describing isn’t really a MBTI issue. Sorry if that’s not overly helpful.
sounds like youre describing sensory overload. look into adhd and/or autism those both can cause sensory overload
Might be Savior NE (or your Sleep/Consume) being invaded by Se's hyper-awareness of loud noises in the environment, with result that the noise keeps pulling you out of your NE.
Well Carl Jung only mentioned the first components because P and J was added later on by Isabel Briggs.
That's what I've read atleast
If it's true that so many people have duel extroverted or introverted functions ( like an ISFP who uses ni more than se for example), doesn't that mean the entire theory of functions needs to be revised? You use it as a convenient way of explaining some of the contradictions, but don't seem to acknowledge that it undermines one of the foundational principles of mbti...
Arch I agree. Though I must admit since my friends & I started using the "human needs" (or better yet "human fears" haha) we've got better at typing, and somehow got better in predicting behaviors & attitudes. Yet I agree, like the nature of Te, for example, isn't primarily used for tribe validation though a pairing of Te-Fi can work like a heavily processed Fe. I feel this coz I'm an ESTJ and it was very difficult for me to get social acceptance when I was a kid. Most of the time my friends saw me as bigoted & convoluted when all I ever wanted was to fix what I thought was a problem or to streamline an otherwise unnecessarily ineffecient way of doing things (especially in games we played). I got terribly bullied in high school which made me run away from my Si aux causing me to technically ruin my life these past ten years. I've been constantly mistyped as INFJ or ENTP by those online tests but my fiance & I started digging into mbti & somehow the past few months of my life has been wonderfully rehabilitative for me as I actually landed a job just by figuring out how to rely on my previously hated aux function! It was also doubly productive for my fiancee as she was ISTP & developing her Fe helped her land a promotion! Davesuperpowers certainly has a point but he's not the only sources we relied on--we even relied on the perspective of a friend of ours who was a professional & licensed psychotherapist. And we agree this oversimplification is shying away from the crucial nuances that the cognitive functions really show us. Then again, we're complex creatures so yeah. Nevertheless as for career help though (or at least to help with managing relationships) this simplification helps a lot!
I've wondered this too. I've also wondered if one can switch between their demonstrative function and their creative function and be functioning as their "shadow" self because of life experiences? This year I found out I am a Ni Fe who was turned off using Fe using it because of harsh criticism and bullying I got for using it. I grew up trying to use "Fi" and mistyping as an INxP as a result.
Andrew Caleb Gorospe I also agree that the whole needs/fears dynamic is the most interesting part of his new approach to typing. The thing is he talks a lot about mbti taking the necessary steps to becoming legitimate science, but has only experimented with typing will assuming that the theory itself is completely valid... Instead of rationalizing the blindspots, someone should revise briggs' work to accommodate them. Until then I'm afraid it's going to have to stay in the pseudoscience designation :(. Still fun though...
Validity aside, I'm glad to hear you, your wife and probably many other peple were able to get so much out of it. Generally speaking what he says in these videos IS still good advice. I've consistently tested as INTP and I've always thought that my communication skills (weak fe I guess) were my biggest weakness, but after hearing him talk about the whole fear of the tribe thing, I've begun to really look for a different approach to get what I'm think across.
Also you really do come off as a high Te user. Caring more about how effective it's been for you and your friends instead of if it's true or not. Not a bad thing though. I feel like I shouldn't care as much about things like this.
Bug Folk bullied for using Fe? That's a kinda hard to picture. Were you in military school or something? It's also hard to imagine forcing yourself to switch to your shadow function, but who knows. Maybe it's possible. I'd imagine that it's incredibly draining.
Not military school. Just being someone with high functioning autism in a small public school system that had no clue how to handle such people. This is the late 80's- mid 90's mind you. Autism back then was poorly understood in general. It was treated more as a behavioral problem than what it is, sensory processing issues.
Being female interested in boy type things like insects and reptiles also alienated me from the other girls growing up. I played better with the boys, but got confused when they turned on me at recess and picked on me about cooties, kissing and whatnot. None of those things were happening. The other girls were jealous, I think but not sure. They were just mean. Tore my coat and threw rocks at me. I also got picked on heavily for having severe seasonal allergies and being the sick one all the time as a result. Because I learned to talk in Colorado before moving to WI, I was also made fun for having an accent. Talking differently in general. Asking stuff like Okay at the end of my sentences.
Fe made me feel like I was doing something wrong for being different.
So yeah I shut off Fe (or desired to), because I felt terrible for being the odd one out, wanting to have friends, be included but rejected. Felt like no matter how hard I tried I was missing what was needed to connect with the other children. My mother helped but as an INFP if I had any criticisms about her behavior, she took it very personally and would yell back at me, Fi-Te style, with some added Si thrown in, guilt trip me and whatnot. So no I didn't really appreciate the thing that made me feel constantly out of place. But now as an adult when I use it, I feel empowered. I can connect with customers and use it to provide guest service. But it took me to my 20's and 30's to appreciate Fe for what it should be.
that is actually very handy
I don't understand.............
The real INFP’s gets bored with all this comparisons over youtube because REAL INFP don’t care about all this shit instead we (INFP) cares more on what we can offer to make things better... comparisons and social stigma and dogma sucks! We do what we want to do! Hate the rules but never break it because you’ll be in jail...
hey, what about musicians? drummers, guitarists, bass players?
Yeaaaah so I can see ISFP and INFP for myself.
THAT was helpful!
Can you talk like 25% slower so I don't have to check the "run at 0.75 speed" setting for every video?
Jeremy Vega nahh quicker I'm on 1.5x and it's staring to sound ridiculous
INFP have memory. ISFP do not
is this a joke
@@lookiams Si v. Se.
Ok to simplify this its facts vs concepts. isfp better with facts. infp better with concepts. Yes/No?
Yeh
No. ISFP is sensory data, sensory details, sensory information from the 5 senses- smell, touch, etc.
ISFPs are more factual, sensory, they ARE 'intuitive' , they organise patterns
INFPs are more hypothetical, idea generating, gathering patterns, tangible
I don't get the letters just....Be clear please lol☺
"Se gathers facts."
Hmmm...
Well, now, there's a plot twist.
He theorized in one of his early videos that Se and Ne are information gatherers. You're so far up your ass that you think Se is all about football, gamble and skydiving
Not a plot twist at all
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Fact here does not mean the general knowledge or statistics one. It means what your can sense directly, what you can see directly, hear directly, smell directly. Intuition is imagination, filling the gaps between the unseen data, finding invisible connections between two separate things, forming patterns, imagining possibilities.
@@nachiketpargaonkar8646 As an Ne user myself, I'm a very analytical person, but all of the info I gather is meant to connect patterns and correlations.
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The more we learn about this stuff, the more confusing it gets! Even I don't know the precise definitions of these terms anymore
thank u so much for this video omg this is very helpful
Why crazy?
ESFP vs ENFP? :)
Now that you know you are an ExxP you should try to figure out if you're an ESxP or an ENxP. You can't compare ESFP ENFP as closely.
What's the difference between ESFP and ISFP?
ESFP has Se Fi Te Ni
ISFP has Fi Se Ni Te.
It's good that you're taking seriously the criticism that function stacks are a bit arbitrary. If auxiliary intuition is your demon, then labeling you as an intuitive becomes debatable. In that case there could be anywhere between 96 (16 general types with 6 permutations each) and 40,320 (8! permutations of all the functions) actual types. If you further distinguish what you're good/bad at from what you respect/fear - you could have anywhere from 1-4 saviors/demons in any of your functions - then the number of types could be expanded into the millions. I like that you're trying to take the pseudoscience out of MBTI, but I think labeling people so specifically is a fool's errand.
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Oh yeah you got me thur
biased ?
Can you actually tell me why an ISFP or any type needs to have a specific stack or are you just making shit up as you go along?
Juan Cena this shit is so helpful
It's the stack that makes the type. Fi-Se-Ni-Te is exactly what an ISFP is. The type doesn't have a stack, the type IS the stack.
Bogdán Komáromi Thanks, if you give your demons almost as much time as your dominant one, can they become almost as strong as your saviors do you think?
The dominant-inferior axis is the real deal. The over reliance on one will lead to a severe lack of the other. The middle parts of the stack is what makes it tricky.
This is what I've learned so far from his videos (I hope it helps!):
Decider/Preference functions: Fx/Tx
Observer/Informing functions: Nx/Sx
Self-first vs social-acceptance:
Lead Fi (IxFP's)
Lead Ti (IxTP's)
Control-dependent vs chaos:
Lead Si (ISxJ's)
Lead Ni (INxJ's)
Freedom-oriented vs authority/control:
Lead Ne (ENxP's)
Lead Se (ESxP's)
Responsibility-prioritizing vs personal identity:
Lead Te (ExTJ's)
Lead Fe (ExFJ's)
Those issues are their core issues or at least is reflected heavily in their thought processes. But then the existence of the aux. & tert. functions adds this layer of complexity which is further complicated by the addition of discovering the "tertiary loops" where due to circumstances a certain type is forced to be afraid of his/her aux.function & becomes heavily dependent on his/her tert.function, then aux.func. is then "borrowed" by the inferior func. and pairs up to become a demon function, as Jung pointed out whatever part of you that you reject it becomes the shadow.
+ Juan Cena Uhhh.. Because there's a fixed number of functions? And each function has an opposite/other end to it to even work/exist (aka Yin Yang or Hot Cold)? It's not that hard. Look, for anything to happen in psychology you need a subject and and object (so the functions, a facet of cognition, reflect that.). Lastly, and I guess most importantly for you, there is no 'stack'. It's a only a model like a molecule, molecules don't really look like outdated solar system maps, it's a picture of what's going on. But there is an order, Why? Because of what Dave's said about muscle imbalances. If you love one, you're going to hate/ignore the other, in working with your middle two, you're going to use one to feed the other. This will give you a 'stack' naturally. Oil floats on Water, Up hill is also downhill. Make sense?
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Go slower please and be more basic and don’t throw in other types if talking about ISFP s as and
Cont … and INFP. We know you have this down, but you don’t have to show off.
I’ve thought for a long time that I’m an INFP but once I learned the difference between Se and Si I’m confused. I know I’m one of the two but I think I use extroverted sensing more than introverted sensing.
Now Why Should An INFP Ever Value There Si Over Ne ?
Ne-Si balance each other. Si grounds Ne. Si tells Ne that it needs to organize the data, so it can be stored for future reference. Ne tells Si that it needs to go out and get more information for it to store. Remembering that stuff will help.