I really appreciate your candor brother. Its rare to see a reviewer thats not afraid to give a negative review where it is warranted. Most just skip the review altogether. Rock on, man!
Normally I would too but I considered getting this myself and I don't want people to get something that just resonates all over the place and is hard to get dialed in correctly. It's just not very good.
@@gamescents3719 Oh i was apprehensive towards Monoprice at first, till I got and opened my sub up. Cabinet solid built, decent woofer magnet, toroidal transformer on the power supply. Dont over-expect and youll be pleasantly surprised ; )
Thanks, Mr Bravo. Lol. We’d be having problems over here if the 300th video wasn’t better than the 1st. But thank you very much. I have been trying to improve
@@cheapaudioman you HAVE improved, your videos now have a watchable and consistent personal style. a year ago some videos caused headaches when watched at night...now just chuckles at your dark humor.
Any chance of reviewing Fluance's 10 inch Subwoofer. It's very inexpensive yes but maybe worth the budget buy ...I'm not sure if it's worth you reviewing.
I juuuust purchased this guy for my PC setup (gaming and light music listening) and it does the job. I HATE the volume knob; The LED blinks green when the volume changes, but even THAT blinks indefinitely. For my use, though, it works pretty well. Great review! Just found your channel and the videos are great. Thank you!
I picked up the Monoprice 12" sub (with the curved sides & integrated amp) for $99. The thing is an absolute beast and can output some serious amounts of clean bass. It might not be the lowest reaching, but I think it's the clear value sub champ.
I have a cheap sub that is a sloppy rag mess that I tried, I really tried to make work, but it is now stored away. I could change the driver and plate amp, but why bother. It is a reminder to me to spend hard earned $ on better gear after saving up for it.
35hz at the bottom is compared to most devices more like a woofer than a sub. This is what I find a little problematic with the shaky term sub woofer, as some totally don't sub. :) Most 3 way standmounts and floorstanders go lower, like 22hz for a standmount and even have some more room below. I would consider buying a regular woofer sold as a sub a waste of money, even when it would have tight bass, because as a sub it needs a sub. I haven't tested the other ones mentioned but I would say that the B&W Asw608 is awesome bang for buck. It is a serious sub in probably the smallest possible form factor. It is heavy for its size and has a really tight bass and loads of options.
Bought this 2 months ago to throw in home office. Used included RCA wires to hook up to my old Avr X 1000 Denon receiver. The connections on the sub twisted off as I tried to plug them in. Needless to say put it right back into box and sent it back. Picked up the Monoprice instead.
A gallon of milk weighs 8 pounds also. I love milk. I can drink half a subwoofer in an evening. The woofer in that obviously doesn't have a very heavy magnet. I had an expensive Scan Speak tweeter that had an 8 pound magnet, and it was a tweeter. A good magnet is good for transient response. I used to like to play a selection that had someone playing a triangle real fast. The heavy Scan Speak tweeter was the only one that could keep up with such fast playing and complex harmonics. Speakers with bosomy ill defined bass should at least be tried elevated off the floor several inches and away from corners. Randy didn't mention if this is a Chinese product. If you don't know how to internally brace the cabinet or make the cabinet into a transmission line bass enclosure like I do, then you might be stuck. Muddy bass is usually mostly due to the enclosure needing to be more inert, otherwise there's a problem with too many cabinet resonances. If too small a magnet is used on a driver, don't expect state of the art transient response either.
@@Ratboy1 It was Spell Correct that changed the word bosomy to boomy, in fact it does it every time. and for not having thought of the obvious, let me guess you are no engineer.
I'm a street performer a.k.a. busker I need lightweight and the shape is perfect to fit on my dolly for traveling through the subway system here in Washington DC Maryland Virginia at 40 years of being a street performer 76 years old I need light and certain shapes
There is a downfiring version. I thinks it's better. I have this side firing one and it's not that bad for small systems, PC, small room, small garage, etc. I put polyfill in it and have it sounding tighter and it's not sloppy. You don't need a lot of volume on it otherwise it distorts quickly and is sloppy. I was surprised how low it needs to be. I may put a Dayton driver in it. I will be getting the other downfiring one to see if it's better.
thanks again for sharing your very appreciated knowledge always checking here first,i just bought 2 sets (4) of speakers Moukey M20-1 following your advice in order to set a cheap decent budget sound system for an improvised mini gym of 15 x 10 feet in my house, my amp is a Sony STR-DH190,which subwoofer would be better the Monoprice 60W/8 inch or the Polk PSW10? my priority is price per performance.(not to listen loud but nice sound) (my english is my very poor 2nd language).
Alex, your English is good, brother. The polks are pretty good. Monoprice also has a few other bigger options too but the polks are good for their price for sure.
Here is the thing to remember about subs, you are paying for a large driver that needs a stiffer cabinet than bookshelves, and it has a power amp built in. That just can't be done well for cheap. In my opinion, you should generally spend at least as much on your sub as you speakers to get similar quality.
Thank you for saying this. Cheap is good but seriously? a 6.5in woofer or a small 10in woofer in a cheap encloser does not make a subwoofer. It's better to do it right the first time around and just buy an svs sub or a rythmik or a rel.
@@brasen576 If you spend a small amount in this case you WILL be disappointed. A subwoofer makes bass so it vibrates things a lot. If it's cheaply made you will get little to no bass with lots of cabinet resonance. Do what you want but if you don't do things right you're just wasting your money.
@@V1ralB1ack Many will be just fine with a sub on the cheaper end. Most don't even need their subs to go low-low, just enough to make their speakers a little more full. Of course, if you're looking to get super deep, then yeah you'll have to spend a bit more.
I've seen the Polk PSW10, new in box, for as low as $100 on occasion. The Klipsch 2.1 Promedia system is about $10 more than that cheap bestian and you get satellite speakers included.
The pro-media's have been the best value PC speakers for some time now literally by default as no other major brands actually have any similar offerings.
@@cirrus8791 Samsies! Except I have the Altec equivalent of that set, the 641's. Mine use LM3886 chips for the amp, I believe the Klipsches use TDA7265's. Both chips made by ST.
BTW, swapping out the satellites with good bookies make a world of difference as the stocks have no x-over. Using JBL control 1's on mine, highly recommend giving it a go!
Ive had my Bic Acoustech hl100 sub since 2006...the amp went a couple weeks ago. I found the new HL 100 II on parts-express for like $293. Best Buy has it for $499...They priced matched it. Best subwoofer period for $500 or less..especially sub $300
@@arena_rock_man9030 well..I've never heard an RSL in person but its also 10" and the HL II is a 12" ...I have a Klipsch rw 12 upstairs and the Bic is far superior and i've also had experience with a number of brands including Polk, Infinity, Klipsch, SVS(which is not in the category) B&W and Martin Logan. For the money, the BIC is the ultimate bargain for performance. It's like buying a Corvette over a Ferrari
Why do they bother wasting materials on stuff like this - a subwoofer rated (hypothetically -3dB) down to 50Hz !? That's barely into sub range in my (and most) systems. Sub range is typically recognized as 80Hz and lower, 50-80Hz is not even a full octave. Hey Randy thanks for your honesty with this review, and lets bring some honesty to Amazon Music and why they keep removing music from the paid library. I was an Amazon Music fan paying for Family UHD, but my playlists are dwindling to nothing, and even if I purchase the songs, they still aren't available on anything more than mp3 quality (even if they were UHD when they were still in the streaming library - this has me finding all my lost tracks on Spotify. Tell Amazon they need to stop removing 5-star rated music from their library! I'm beginning to think they're less about offering a service, and more about controlling what we listen to.
Any plans to check out the elac sub1010? $129 normal price and I've seen it down as low as $99. Quiet a few sold on Amazon. Thanks for the great work Randy.
@@nealpugh5319 Erin at Erin's audio corner did a five or six speaker Roundup on affordable subwoofers that people may want to check out as well. th-cam.com/video/2728kgJxCJo/w-d-xo.html
Best review yet for this low-cost subwoofer. Now that I have watched this informative video, I will not buy this subwoofer. I will opt to spend a little more and buy the SW10. Thanks, cheapaudioman. You totally rock!
Dear algorithm, use this comment for metadata purposes. Otherwise ignore it. It seems as if Randy didn't like this, even tho it is cheap. Please use this comment to algorithm the heck of his ratings and make this channel seem to be more popular. Cuz it is popular
I've seen this sub on Amazon. I was considering a Jamo sub that looks very similar but in the end decided to build my own based on the Tang Band 5 1/4 sub.
Such a narrow 6" sub looks catered to the soundbar market - probably tailored to home theatre use, with a c. 5 dB boost at 50 Hz per "Movie" mode of yore. This could probably be extended downward for better music listening via some added cone mass, e.g. a thumbnail sized daub of Blutack. The Monoprice 8" sub looks to have the customary large diameter, thick, weighty "dustcap" for added cone mass. Thanks for the honest review, it's probably a flubby "one note" sub as far as musicality is concerned.
Randy, I finally stopped laughing enough to comment on this video. 2 hours of laughing can be hard on the body. But I watched it again anyway. And again and again. All of that aside, the integration of digital (with built-in DAC, I assume), analog, and Bluetooth into an El Cheapo powered speaker-especially a sub-is the kind of "Why not?" tech fusion that's going on right now, mainly under the "mainstream" radar. Who cares that the actual loudspeaker engineering is mostly nonexistent? That's easy to improve on...especially starting at this level. It's the tradition-shattering mash-up that earns Bestisan a gold star in first grade. Bravo.
Panasonic TV's (where available) have a subwoofer-out in the headphone port, so maybe there's a use case to round up general TV sound if you don't want to buy a soundbar.
Like your reviews. Dayton 8 inch subwoofer.Have you reviewed it? Three others in your comments have mentioned it.was looking at matching with 100 watt Cambridge amplifier and Dynaudio Emit 20 speakers. Would appreciate your thoughts and/or from the others who mentioned it.Keep up you great articles.
Of all the speakers one might buy, I think subwoofers are the least crucial for spending a lot of money. The narrow band that a subwoofer covers can be handled by a cheap subwoofer more than a full range can be handled by a cheap speaker. My opinion.
I would say it is the opposite actually. A good well designed subwoofer is actually hard to do on the cheap. It requires a larger/better driver, a properly designed and braced cabinet, well designed port and its own amp with decent power. Not to mention the crossover and other features you might want. A bookshelf speaker would be far easier to make on the cheap. And I think center channel speakers are WAAY over priced too. There is simply no reason a center channel should cost twice as much as a pair of bookshelfs which some do.
Thanks for the review Randy the only reason I have a look at this one was for the compact size do you know of any other subwoofer that’s pretty good but it has the same size factor
Personally I much prefer speakers that tend to be expensive that go down to a flat +/- 3 db at 30 Hz. Haha, can't afford the high quality ones these days, but a quality 45 Hz will do
Hi Randy! What if I want a home theater that can sound good at reasonably low volume? Half of the time we watch movies the kids are asleep. Will regular 5.25” bookshelfs do fine or I should look at smaller speakers? You have like less than 12 kids, as you mentioned, so you must know. Thank you.
For sure. Properly crossed over, 5 1/4” drivers can deliver in big rooms even at reasonable levels. Once you limit the bass from the smaller speakers they can really surprise you as far as how they perform
If you want to watch movies at low volumes and not bother people but still want bass effects look into some bass shaker transducers and a separate amp, like a plate amp for a diy subwoofer. You can get them at parts express. It isn't the same as a subwoofer but it comes pretty close and the effect is pretty cool. They are a little tricky to get crossed over correctly and dialed in but its worth it in the end. It will get you into that 20 hz rumble zone without shaking the whole house. I used to use them in my home theater set up but now I use them for headphone set up. They are awesome paired with headphones. They work really well in cars too. That is what I think they are mostly marketed for I think. Which makes sense since mine are 4 ohm drivers.
bummerr price nice sound not right I saw 75 bucks wooo... oh well....I remember BIC America...one of my friends had one...It was solid..thanx for the other options my dude...😎 I know so little about them I think mentioned a brand that set itself up by us going through steps that analyzed the room, maybe it was SVS?
Hey Randy, I know you're a big fan of Jamo. Was wondering what you thought of the S808 sub, which is on sale at amazon in white for $114. It's about 22lbs, lol.
@@cheapaudioman Yeah, they have a high wife/girlfriend approval factor. I just ordered a new system ( jamo s803, aiyama a07, etc. ) for my office using your links. Do you get credit for items in the order but not from your links? I hope so. Thanks for the great reviews/advice.
Just dropping by with a humble non-patreon request, I'm curious about the Jamo a s810/s808 subwoofers. Other than being slim, sleek and cheap, are they any good? Currently enjoying my MA Bronze 100 hooked up to Aiyima A07 + T8 based on your recommendations. But I'm considering switching the Bronzes for Jamo C 93 II + a S810 subwoofer for more clarity - love to hear your thoughts. Thanks for all the great reviews!
I've heard great things about the jamo subs. I've also heard that they may no longer produce new models. that's just hearsay though so I could definitely be wrong. the c93's will definitely give you more clarity. the details on that soft dome is probably the best that I've heard. you're going to a much smaller speaker though so keep that in mind. I love them, personally so I've got no complaints about them. They're also built better that the MA's
I'm a muscian who busks. I'm looking for a small battery powered speaker to reproduce bass frequencies for my stereo rig. I've used aux in on several bluetooth speakers but oddly, had latency issues with several. I already use two small battery powered acoustic amps for the mids. Using a small Tascam D60 4 track camera audio recorder as a mixer/ recorder. Need a sub for kick drum and bass frequencies down to 50 or 60hz minimum. Lower is better, 'cause I also rock a Volca bass synth. Entire rig needs to fit on my bike's rack in a small duffle bag. Any recomendations? Thanks!
@@brandonbrodbeck6688 Price isn't my primary concern. Portability, Lowpass filtering and battery power are. Anything under $150 will work. Decebel level only needs to reach 85-95 or so. This rig isnt about melting faces. I've got a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier for that, lol... Also have a pair of Hartke ACR 5 50 watt acoustic combo amps. They sound great, but are like bags of cement to lug around, (very solid - Hartke is famous for their bass guitar speaker cabs) and require AC power. This is a "fly rig" small, light and portable - Highs are covered - just needs a little low end grunt to hold down the fort. Currently using a Ancheer 25 watt BT speaker for that, but it's a bit underpowered and muddy. Very Small and portable though....Thanks!
I have become quite sceptical about subwoofers, as two out of three I have/have had are humming. I currently have a System Audio one stored because of the humming. The amp in it has been changed twice without any improvement. The supplier says it is supposed to be this way. Many years ago I purchased a Paradigm sub, which the shop took back due to the hum. After that I got a cheap Jamo sub which has a hum level I can live with (masked by any minimal background sound). I have tried all advice I can find without any improvement to the (by my standards expensive) System Audio, so the last resort is to try to find an alternative power amp for it, but who knows if that one will hum as well...
I had 2. Subs one was expensive for me around 600 and one was around 200. The expensive one would hum unless it was at or below the crossover range I had put in the receiver for the speakers to be. Wasn't anything bad. I was the only one that could tell. Was just wierd that after playing around with it it was exactly at that level each time.
I'm currently starting to hear the same problem with an ancient Polk PSW10 next to my desk. Nothing else has changed. Pretty sure it's an internal power suppply filter issue. It exactly aligns with startup of the house furnace blower. It sounds like almost pure 60 Hz. Usually, I expect there to be a ton of 120 Hz and 180 Hz buzz in power supply issues. Let's think... should I buy a PSAudio $6,000 power line regenerator, or should I repurpose the PSW10 as a buoy anchor...?
@@jimshaw899 Buy a PC backup battery power supply. The battery in the battery back up should buffer out enough of that inline noise where you won't be able to tell anymore, if that's what's truly going on.
lol reminds me of my first 2.1 setup for my pc - it had dual 4" woofers! (that's like the same as an 8 or better right?). Similarly, it played down to about 50hz, if you listened very carefully, and it distorted super easy if you cranked it past half way on the volume. ugh. a decent pair of bookshelf spkrs would do much better.
Hi cheapaudioman! I have two options: kef q350 or jamo s801 w jamo sub 808. I’m in Brazil and the prices are crazy . Can you help me? 😁i enjoyed a lot y videos. Great job! Hugs! 🤜🏻🤛🏻🙏🏻btw my receiver is a Denon and i listen rock 🎸 only
Is there any chance I can add subwoofer to my 2 channel speaker amp if it has no sub out? I can't replace my amp, I love it, I die with it. Maybe there is a combining device out there that can do the job?
Most subwoofers have speaker in and out plugs for that purpose. The sub then does the bass management. Look for videos on the subject, there are plenty out there. Shop for subs in your price range and then look up the owners manual online and that will explain how that particular sub need to be connected. Good luck!!
I have the perfect sub for you! polk psw10 all the way just get it u wont regret it! It takes the speaker level from the amp into the speaker level inputs and then you connect your right and left to the outs on the sub.
Isn't that Bestisan a Glorified and more expensive "Logitec" sub? !! I think it's the same sub but the logitech box is a bit heavier because of the board like material they use.
nah I bet logitech has better heavy magnet in it and a nicer transformer, thicker poly cone, bigger better capacitors and circuit boards well as this one just sucks.
I'm the cheaper audio oldman. Use market where its at baby. Now abuse and who cares at 10-20% of retail vs lose 50% as soon as exiting store. plus I give lots away mid-fi receivers make a good sub amp plate. blow one channel up use the other free repair
I could have sworn you were going to say did does have and honest use say as a foot rest or door stop. Ahahahahahahah yeah it works... That's technically semantics...
i was considering this as a pair of portable subwoofers (i already have 24 volt batteries) and the weight sounds perfect, but Cheap's report on the sound is...deadly. i wonder if Cheapaudioman would consider reviewing the Reloop Grooveblaster BT speakers?
I had to click on the thumbs up just because it had 666 clicks and I didn't like that. lol But on a positive note, maybe it could work well in a small restroom under the sink. You get that extra little low end while singing in the shower.
Someone once invented an IQ test. How many uses can you think of for a brick. Here's a different IQ test. How many uses can you think of for a rubbish subwoofer.
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Randy, why not reply our message?
I have the Dayton Audio 8" 80w sub and it's shockingly good, especially in a 2 channel music system and it only cost $99 shipped.
I really appreciate your candor brother. Its rare to see a reviewer thats not afraid to give a negative review where it is warranted. Most just skip the review altogether. Rock on, man!
Normally I would too but I considered getting this myself and I don't want people to get something that just resonates all over the place and is hard to get dialed in correctly. It's just not very good.
@@cheapaudioman beware compliments from men with two first names. Especially when it's the same name.
Monoprice's $120 12" sub is the best overall budget sub deal going right now if you ask me.
Just bought one of these and itl be here on the 28th we'll see about thay
@@gamescents3719 Oh i was apprehensive towards Monoprice at first, till I got and opened my sub up. Cabinet solid built, decent woofer magnet, toroidal transformer on the power supply. Dont over-expect and youll be pleasantly surprised ; )
@@AllboroLCD does it have a battery inside it at all? Its listed on Amazon as battery operated.
@@AllboroLCD if it doesn't have a battery then maybe Amazon will refund me and let me keep it because its mislabeled?
@@gamescents3719 Most likely a misprint, subs have no batteries.
Thanks for your honest reviews on these entry level products to help us not waste our money and we can spend it on better paired equipment.
Thanks, Randy, for the warning shot on this sub! Also, your cinematography skills are showing, my friend! Both lighting and focus are on point!
Thanks, Mr Bravo. Lol. We’d be having problems over here if the 300th video wasn’t better than the 1st. But thank you very much. I have been trying to improve
@@cheapaudioman you HAVE improved, your videos now have a watchable and consistent personal style. a year ago some videos caused headaches when watched at night...now just chuckles at your dark humor.
Any chance of reviewing Fluance's 10 inch Subwoofer. It's very inexpensive yes but maybe worth the budget buy ...I'm not sure if it's worth you reviewing.
It pairs perfectly with my favorite speakers of all time, (wait for it.....)the Polk T15
Nailed it
Love the sloppy analogy with the married man getting drunk at a baseball game
I juuuust purchased this guy for my PC setup (gaming and light music listening) and it does the job. I HATE the volume knob; The LED blinks green when the volume changes, but even THAT blinks indefinitely. For my use, though, it works pretty well.
Great review! Just found your channel and the videos are great.
Thank you!
I picked up the Monoprice 12" sub (with the curved sides & integrated amp) for $99. The thing is an absolute beast and can output some serious amounts of clean bass. It might not be the lowest reaching, but I think it's the clear value sub champ.
yeah. I like the monoprice stuff. great value
Anything from Dayton for a few more dollars?
@@jetfansuperd I heard the dayton sub 1200 was good
@@Omlet221 yes same
I added the same sub to my home theater after my Pioneer sub died. I have also had one with my desktop computer for many years.
If you need something that will not take up that much room, sound good and be relatively cheap - I suggest the Jamo Studio Series S 808 sub
I have a cheap sub that is a sloppy rag mess that I tried, I really tried to make work, but it is now stored away. I could change the driver and plate amp, but why bother. It is a reminder to me to spend hard earned $ on better gear after saving up for it.
35hz at the bottom is compared to most devices more like a woofer than a sub. This is what I find a little problematic with the shaky term sub woofer, as some totally don't sub. :)
Most 3 way standmounts and floorstanders go lower, like 22hz for a standmount and even have some more room below. I would consider buying a regular woofer sold as a sub a waste of money, even when it would have tight bass, because as a sub it needs a sub.
I haven't tested the other ones mentioned but I would say that the B&W Asw608 is awesome bang for buck. It is a serious sub in probably the smallest possible form factor. It is heavy for its size and has a really tight bass and loads of options.
Bought this 2 months ago to throw in home office. Used included RCA wires to hook up to my old Avr X 1000 Denon receiver. The connections on the sub twisted off as I tried to plug them in. Needless to say put it right back into box and sent it back. Picked up the Monoprice instead.
A gallon of milk weighs 8 pounds also. I love milk. I can drink half a subwoofer in an evening. The woofer in that obviously doesn't have a very heavy magnet. I had an expensive Scan Speak tweeter that had an 8 pound magnet, and it was a tweeter. A good magnet is good for transient response. I used to like to play a selection that had someone playing a triangle real fast. The heavy Scan Speak tweeter was the only one that could keep up with such fast playing and complex harmonics. Speakers with bosomy ill defined bass should at least be tried elevated off the floor several inches and away from corners. Randy didn't mention if this is a Chinese product. If you don't know how to internally brace the cabinet or make the cabinet into a transmission line bass enclosure like I do, then you might be stuck. Muddy bass is usually mostly due to the enclosure needing to be more inert, otherwise there's a problem with too many cabinet resonances. If too small a magnet is used on a driver, don't expect state of the art transient response either.
I rarely, if ever, get to see the word "bosomy" used in print, especially in an engineering context.
@@Ratboy1 It was Spell Correct that changed the word bosomy to boomy, in fact it does it every time. and for not having thought of the obvious, let me guess you are no engineer.
@@Ratboy1 I mean it changed the word boomy to bosomy. There, it did it again.
I'm a street performer a.k.a. busker I need lightweight and the shape is perfect to fit on my dolly for traveling through the subway system here in Washington DC Maryland Virginia at 40 years of being a street performer 76 years old I need light and certain shapes
I got a sub from Dayton Audio for a little over $100…sounds great.
There is a downfiring version. I thinks it's better. I have this side firing one and it's not that bad for small systems, PC, small room, small garage, etc. I put polyfill in it and have it sounding tighter and it's not sloppy. You don't need a lot of volume on it otherwise it distorts quickly and is sloppy. I was surprised how low it needs to be. I may put a Dayton driver in it.
I will be getting the other downfiring one to see if it's better.
How is the downfiring version?
Good morning, LOL, thank you so much for your early Monday morning news reports, have a most excellent day
I got my jbl subwoofer for $8, paradigm pdr series also coincidentally for $8.
You guessed it right…from a yard sale. Both working perfectly.
Try reviewing dayton audio powered subwoofers! (If you haven’t already)
Sub-800, Sub-1000, Sub-1200, and maybe the Sub-1500.
1000L too. Can fit under a couch or against a wall. Low profile model!
thanks again for sharing your very appreciated knowledge always checking here first,i just bought 2 sets (4) of speakers Moukey M20-1 following your advice in order to set a cheap decent budget sound system for an improvised mini gym of 15 x 10 feet in my house, my amp is a Sony STR-DH190,which subwoofer would be better the Monoprice 60W/8 inch or the Polk PSW10? my priority is price per performance.(not to listen loud but nice sound) (my english is my very poor 2nd language).
Alex, your English is good, brother. The polks are pretty good. Monoprice also has a few other bigger options too but the polks are good for their price for sure.
@@cheapaudioman thanks, clicking on Amazon right now for the Polk! blessings!
"Randy's not pickin' up Good Vibrations
For Bestisan, he got no excitations."
Here is the thing to remember about subs, you are paying for a large driver that needs a stiffer cabinet than bookshelves, and it has a power amp built in. That just can't be done well for cheap. In my opinion, you should generally spend at least as much on your sub as you speakers to get similar quality.
Thank you for saying this. Cheap is good but seriously? a 6.5in woofer or a small 10in woofer in a cheap encloser does not make a subwoofer. It's better to do it right the first time around and just buy an svs sub or a rythmik or a rel.
@@V1ralB1ack Unfortunately, not everyone's budget allows them to spend $500+ on a subwoofer
@@brasen576 If you spend a small amount in this case you WILL be disappointed. A subwoofer makes bass so it vibrates things a lot. If it's cheaply made you will get little to no bass with lots of cabinet resonance. Do what you want but if you don't do things right you're just wasting your money.
@@V1ralB1ack Many will be just fine with a sub on the cheaper end. Most don't even need their subs to go low-low, just enough to make their speakers a little more full. Of course, if you're looking to get super deep, then yeah you'll have to spend a bit more.
@@brasen576 why spend multiple times when you can buy one that won't give you upgrade-itis 🤷♀️
I've seen the Polk PSW10, new in box, for as low as $100 on occasion. The Klipsch 2.1 Promedia system is about $10 more than that cheap bestian and you get satellite speakers included.
The pro-media's have been the best value PC speakers for some time now literally by default as no other major brands actually have any similar offerings.
I bought a Klipsch Promedia 4.1 set in 2003 - still going strong (with a couple fixes over time).
@@cirrus8791 Samsies! Except I have the Altec equivalent of that set, the 641's. Mine use LM3886 chips for the amp, I believe the Klipsches use TDA7265's. Both chips made by ST.
BTW, swapping out the satellites with good bookies make a world of difference as the stocks have no x-over. Using JBL control 1's on mine, highly recommend giving it a go!
I got my polks for 99 bucks each at best buy a few years ago. They do go on sale. Or look for an open box deal maybe.
Ive had my Bic Acoustech hl100 sub since 2006...the amp went a couple weeks ago. I found the new HL 100 II on parts-express for like $293. Best Buy has it for $499...They priced matched it. Best subwoofer period for $500 or less..especially sub $300
Even better then the RSL Speedwoofer at $429? I believe the HL 200ii isn't for much more. I've been eyeing that one myself.
@@arena_rock_man9030 well..I've never heard an RSL in person but its also 10" and the HL II is a 12" ...I have a Klipsch rw 12 upstairs and the Bic is far superior and i've also had experience with a number of brands including Polk, Infinity, Klipsch, SVS(which is not in the category) B&W and Martin Logan. For the money, the BIC is the ultimate bargain for performance. It's like buying a Corvette over a Ferrari
My HT100 amp died last fall. Got an SVS PB1000 pro to replace it.
Well done. It’s interesting that this kind of brand innovates on connection options even though they don’t know how to brace a driver. Polk take note.
Nice and subtle on that way way down pun 👌
Why do they bother wasting materials on stuff like this - a subwoofer rated (hypothetically -3dB) down to 50Hz !? That's barely into sub range in my (and most) systems. Sub range is typically recognized as 80Hz and lower, 50-80Hz is not even a full octave.
Hey Randy thanks for your honesty with this review, and lets bring some honesty to Amazon Music and why they keep removing music from the paid library. I was an Amazon Music fan paying for Family UHD, but my playlists are dwindling to nothing, and even if I purchase the songs, they still aren't available on anything more than mp3 quality (even if they were UHD when they were still in the streaming library - this has me finding all my lost tracks on Spotify. Tell Amazon they need to stop removing 5-star rated music from their library! I'm beginning to think they're less about offering a service, and more about controlling what we listen to.
Dude you're the best keep it up...you help me our alot when it come out to choices
Any plans to check out the elac sub1010? $129 normal price and I've seen it down as low as $99. Quiet a few sold on Amazon. Thanks for the great work Randy.
I haven’t gotten one of those in yet. I may see if I can
I own the Elac sub but would classify it as "mehhhh"
@@nealpugh5319 Erin at Erin's audio corner did a five or six speaker Roundup on affordable subwoofers that people may want to check out as well. th-cam.com/video/2728kgJxCJo/w-d-xo.html
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Best review yet for this low-cost subwoofer. Now that I have watched this informative video, I will not buy this subwoofer. I will opt to spend a little more and buy the SW10. Thanks, cheapaudioman. You totally rock!
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Dear algorithm, use this comment for metadata purposes. Otherwise ignore it. It seems as if Randy didn't like this, even tho it is cheap. Please use this comment to algorithm the heck of his ratings and make this channel seem to be more popular. Cuz it is popular
I've seen this sub on Amazon. I was considering a Jamo sub that looks very similar but in the end decided to build my own based on the Tang Band 5 1/4 sub.
@@johnm3544 I built the Voxel sub. So far it sounds great for a 5 1/4 sub. I use it on my desk. I'm making a video on building it.
@@johnm3544 I just finished putting the box together. It's still unfinished MDF but I wanted to listen to it. It's pretty impressive so far.
Such a narrow 6" sub looks catered to the soundbar market - probably tailored to home theatre use, with a c. 5 dB boost at 50 Hz per "Movie" mode of yore. This could probably be extended downward for better music listening via some added cone mass, e.g. a thumbnail sized daub of Blutack. The Monoprice 8" sub looks to have the customary large diameter, thick, weighty "dustcap" for added cone mass.
Thanks for the honest review, it's probably a flubby "one note" sub as far as musicality is concerned.
Randy, I finally stopped laughing enough to comment on this video. 2 hours of laughing can be hard on the body. But I watched it again anyway. And again and again.
All of that aside, the integration of digital (with built-in DAC, I assume), analog, and Bluetooth into an El Cheapo powered speaker-especially a sub-is the kind of "Why not?" tech fusion that's going on right now, mainly under the "mainstream" radar.
Who cares that the actual loudspeaker engineering is mostly nonexistent? That's easy to improve on...especially starting at this level. It's the tradition-shattering mash-up that earns Bestisan a gold star in first grade. Bravo.
A sub so cheap not even sith audio wants in on the ads.
They make more than one model with a 6.5" driver, and the one that interests me is downward-firing.
Found one of these at a thrift shop for 30$ it now lives in my car as a cheap sub and it does it’s job I guess
Maybe it should be called, Worstisan, thanks for the review.
Like a computer system speaker I think I put two of those on the curb last year
Panasonic TV's (where available) have a subwoofer-out in the headphone port, so maybe there's a use case to round up general TV sound if you don't want to buy a soundbar.
CAM (if I may call you CAM), you’ve done it again!
What did I do, Ed?
@@cheapaudioman Delivered another kickass video! I love you (cheap audio) man…
Hey Bestisan…What would you say….ya do here???
Like your reviews. Dayton 8 inch subwoofer.Have you reviewed it? Three others in your comments have mentioned it.was looking at matching with 100 watt Cambridge amplifier and Dynaudio Emit 20 speakers. Would appreciate your thoughts and/or from the others who mentioned it.Keep up you great articles.
Of all the speakers one might buy, I think subwoofers are the least crucial for spending a lot of money. The narrow band that a subwoofer covers can be handled by a cheap subwoofer more than a full range can be handled by a cheap speaker. My opinion.
I would say it is the opposite actually. A good well designed subwoofer is actually hard to do on the cheap. It requires a larger/better driver, a properly designed and braced cabinet, well designed port and its own amp with decent power. Not to mention the crossover and other features you might want. A bookshelf speaker would be far easier to make on the cheap. And I think center channel speakers are WAAY over priced too. There is simply no reason a center channel should cost twice as much as a pair of bookshelfs which some do.
Thanks for the review Randy the only reason I have a look at this one was for the compact size do you know of any other subwoofer that’s pretty good but it has the same size factor
Never mind I found what I was looking for. I got a great deal on a super cube 2000 :-)
What's the rms? Any LFE input?
I spend more on dinner than this costs.
Another "your get what you pay for" item.
I still think a series about the used market from your local facebook marketplace \craigslist\thrift store would be cool.
Hi. Do you know de truaudio ss-10 or SS-8 subwoofer?
Personally I much prefer speakers that tend to be expensive that go down to a flat +/- 3 db at 30 Hz. Haha, can't afford the high quality ones these days, but a quality 45 Hz will do
Your thumbnails look like you're struggling with the new CRT Tuesday morning meeting
Thanks for the warning, Randy!!
The entertainment in this video is worth more than that subwoofer.
Thanks, Paul
Hi Randy! What if I want a home theater that can sound good at reasonably low volume? Half of the time we watch movies the kids are asleep. Will regular 5.25” bookshelfs do fine or I should look at smaller speakers? You have like less than 12 kids, as you mentioned, so you must know. Thank you.
For sure. Properly crossed over, 5 1/4” drivers can deliver in big rooms even at reasonable levels. Once you limit the bass from the smaller speakers they can really surprise you as far as how they perform
If you want to watch movies at low volumes and not bother people but still want bass effects look into some bass shaker transducers and a separate amp, like a plate amp for a diy subwoofer. You can get them at parts express. It isn't the same as a subwoofer but it comes pretty close and the effect is pretty cool. They are a little tricky to get crossed over correctly and dialed in but its worth it in the end. It will get you into that 20 hz rumble zone without shaking the whole house. I used to use them in my home theater set up but now I use them for headphone set up. They are awesome paired with headphones. They work really well in cars too. That is what I think they are mostly marketed for I think. Which makes sense since mine are 4 ohm drivers.
bummerr price nice sound not right I saw 75 bucks wooo... oh well....I remember BIC America...one of my friends had one...It was solid..thanx for the other options my dude...😎
I know so little about them I think mentioned a brand that set itself up by us going through steps that analyzed the room, maybe it was SVS?
Pick it up with one hand? You are strong.
Hey Randy, I know you're a big fan of Jamo. Was wondering what you thought of the S808 sub, which is on sale at amazon in white for $114. It's about 22lbs, lol.
I need to check it out. I’ve heard that jamo may not be producing subs anymore. Would be a shame as I love their designs
@@cheapaudioman Yeah, they have a high wife/girlfriend approval factor.
I just ordered a new system ( jamo s803, aiyama a07, etc. ) for my office using your links. Do you get credit for items in the order but not from your links? I hope so. Thanks for the great reviews/advice.
@@joec222 I do. Appreciate it. Great system. Hard to beat that for the price. Think you’ll enjoy it.
Thoughts on the Elac1010?
Just dropping by with a humble non-patreon request, I'm curious about the Jamo a
s810/s808 subwoofers. Other than being slim, sleek and cheap, are they any good?
Currently enjoying my MA Bronze 100 hooked up to Aiyima A07 + T8 based on your recommendations. But I'm considering switching the Bronzes for Jamo C 93 II + a S810 subwoofer for more clarity - love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks for all the great reviews!
I've heard great things about the jamo subs. I've also heard that they may no longer produce new models. that's just hearsay though so I could definitely be wrong. the c93's will definitely give you more clarity. the details on that soft dome is probably the best that I've heard. you're going to a much smaller speaker though so keep that in mind. I love them, personally so I've got no complaints about them. They're also built better that the MA's
I'm a muscian who busks. I'm looking for a small battery powered speaker to reproduce bass frequencies for my stereo rig. I've used aux in on several bluetooth speakers but oddly, had latency issues with several. I already use two small battery powered acoustic amps for the mids. Using a small Tascam D60 4 track camera audio recorder as a mixer/ recorder. Need a sub for kick drum and bass frequencies down to 50 or 60hz minimum. Lower is better, 'cause I also rock a Volca bass synth. Entire rig needs to fit on my bike's rack in a small duffle bag. Any recomendations? Thanks!
Whats ur price range?
Buy a REL; outstanding quality in every price range !
@@brandonbrodbeck6688 Price isn't my primary concern. Portability, Lowpass filtering and battery power are. Anything under $150 will work. Decebel level only needs to reach 85-95 or so. This rig isnt about melting faces. I've got a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier for that, lol... Also have a pair of Hartke ACR 5 50 watt acoustic combo amps. They sound great, but are like bags of cement to lug around, (very solid - Hartke is famous for their bass guitar speaker cabs) and require AC power. This is a "fly rig" small, light and portable - Highs are covered - just needs a little low end grunt to hold down the fort. Currently using a Ancheer 25 watt BT speaker for that, but it's a bit underpowered and muddy. Very Small and portable though....Thanks!
Reminds me of a cheap sub i got for my little Yaris from Walmart and it was not even noticeable.
Always try to compliment even if it's not really a compliment
I have become quite sceptical about subwoofers, as two out of three I have/have had are humming. I currently have a System Audio one stored because of the humming. The amp in it has been changed twice without any improvement. The supplier says it is supposed to be this way. Many years ago I purchased a Paradigm sub, which the shop took back due to the hum. After that I got a cheap Jamo sub which has a hum level I can live with (masked by any minimal background sound). I have tried all advice I can find without any improvement to the (by my standards expensive) System Audio, so the last resort is to try to find an alternative power amp for it, but who knows if that one will hum as well...
I had 2. Subs one was expensive for me around 600 and one was around 200. The expensive one would hum unless it was at or below the crossover range I had put in the receiver for the speakers to be. Wasn't anything bad. I was the only one that could tell. Was just wierd that after playing around with it it was exactly at that level each time.
I'm currently starting to hear the same problem with an ancient Polk PSW10 next to my desk. Nothing else has changed. Pretty sure it's an internal power suppply filter issue. It exactly aligns with startup of the house furnace blower. It sounds like almost pure 60 Hz. Usually, I expect there to be a ton of 120 Hz and 180 Hz buzz in power supply issues.
Let's think... should I buy a PSAudio $6,000 power line regenerator, or should I repurpose the PSW10 as a buoy anchor...?
@@jimshaw899 Buy a PC backup battery power supply. The battery in the battery back up should buffer out enough of that inline noise where you won't be able to tell anymore, if that's what's truly going on.
lol reminds me of my first 2.1 setup for my pc - it had dual 4" woofers! (that's like the same as an 8 or better right?). Similarly, it played down to about 50hz, if you listened very carefully, and it distorted super easy if you cranked it past half way on the volume. ugh. a decent pair of bookshelf spkrs would do much better.
What’s a good powered subwoofer for a somos amp
Your really picking up some speakers now Randy. Q acoustics 2070i rather than that sub happy time's
Looks like a decent box to use for a diy sub though! Hahaha
Hi cheapaudioman! I have two options: kef q350 or jamo s801 w jamo sub 808. I’m in Brazil and the prices are crazy . Can you help me? 😁i enjoyed a lot y videos. Great job! Hugs! 🤜🏻🤛🏻🙏🏻btw my receiver is a Denon and i listen rock 🎸 only
The best $75 subwoofer is an open box Dayton Audio 8" subwoofer, open box!
This is like a rebranded home theator in a box satelite system sub sold seperate
Is there any chance I can add subwoofer to my 2 channel speaker amp if it has no sub out? I can't replace my amp, I love it, I die with it. Maybe there is a combining device out there that can do the job?
Most subwoofers have speaker in and out plugs for that purpose. The sub then does the bass management. Look for videos on the subject, there are plenty out there.
Shop for subs in your price range and then look up the owners manual online and that will explain how that particular sub need to be connected. Good luck!!
I have the perfect sub for you!
polk psw10 all the way just get it u wont regret it!
It takes the speaker level from the amp into the speaker level inputs and then you connect your right and left to the outs on the sub.
If you include Rugby games (where I'm from its very popular) then I know people just like you describe. I might be a bit like it myself if I'm honest.
It’s good subwoofer because “you can pick it up with one hand”. 😆🤣😂
will you be reviewing active speakers?
Yea
Just looking for a decent midbass woofer. Sub is for sub frequencies.
How does this compare to no sub at all?
Love it.
How about Elac SUB1010 120 Watt 10" Powered Subwoofer $129.98
Whenever I look at speakers in thrift stores my first test is how much does it weigh.
Isn't that Bestisan a Glorified and more expensive "Logitec" sub? !! I think it's the same sub but the logitech box is a bit heavier because of the board like material they use.
nah
I bet logitech has better heavy magnet in it and a nicer transformer, thicker poly cone, bigger better capacitors and circuit boards well as this one just sucks.
I'm the cheaper audio oldman. Use market where its at baby. Now abuse and who cares at 10-20% of retail vs lose 50% as soon as exiting store. plus I give lots away mid-fi receivers make a good sub amp plate. blow one channel up use the other free repair
I could have sworn you were going to say did does have and honest use say as a foot rest or door stop. Ahahahahahahah yeah it works... That's technically semantics...
Elac sub 1010 good budget sub.
I want one :)
There ain't no shame in delivering pizzas just so you can afford something nice.
pop out the speaker and make it a planter
"I'm not saying this product is worthless."
Guess this Bestisan is actually a Worstisan.
That is just junk. Plain to see. No other way to say it. Thanks for the review !!
i was considering this as a pair of portable subwoofers (i already have 24 volt batteries) and the weight sounds perfect, but Cheap's report on the sound is...deadly.
i wonder if Cheapaudioman would consider reviewing the Reloop Grooveblaster BT speakers?
I had to click on the thumbs up just because it had 666 clicks and I didn't like that. lol But on a positive note, maybe it could work well in a small restroom under the sink. You get that extra little low end while singing in the shower.
A sub that you can pick up with one hand, hmmm.
Summary: Its great when it is turned off.
That made me chuckle
@@cheapaudioman … glad to return the favor.
Someone once invented an IQ test. How many uses can you think of for a brick. Here's a different IQ test. How many uses can you think of for a rubbish subwoofer.
A speaker stand for a bookshelf speaker.
Turn it on its side and grow a plant in it.
Uses for a brick uh? Now I know why they say Russell Westbrook has a high IQ.
It cant tell you if its braced well. but it can tell you if its braced BAD
Why would you waste the time?
TPS reports, anyone?
The lack of Sith Audio(TM) ad is troubling. Step up Sith Audio! Those Sith Audio Audiophile salad tongs are not going to sell themselves.