@@jsghetler yeah exactly. My parents stopped listening after abacab it was commercial pop. I heard the first few Collins singing albums and Gabriel albums a million times. This guy is missing out.
Hey Steve! (Love the channel, BTW). Two things: 1) Los Endos is sort of a compilation of various key motifs from "A Trick of the Tail" (a must listen from start to finish) and other pieces of Genesis album magic. 2) If you get an opportunity, crank up Seconds Out (a 2-Album Genesis live set from the ). It will set your toms on fire. The whole thing is also here on TH-cam. Keep rockin' the skins, brother!
@@JunkdrummerTV -Absofreakinlutely, Steve! Like you, music saved my life (I was fortunate to do a summer tour with Peter Gabriel in 1992). Music is so important to me, I recently crafted this as a homage to my musically-rich past: www.webnu.co/Kids-Music-Voice
Phil had been singing with Genesis for around 5 years years by the time of this performance, and had fronted four albums and a live album. He is an incredible drummer (as was Chester) The band were probably at their 'tightest' at this time, although they were distinctly moving away from prog rock. My favourite era of the band was 1976 - 1980 (A Trick of the tail - Duke)
If you’re really into Genesis why wouldn’t you want to discover in depth the most complex drumming of Phil’s career? He played some crazy shit before the 80s “big drum” sound he morphed more into. He was the lead singer since 1976 too. Come on man! So much drumming for you to discover.
Phil was very much like Grohl is today. Everyone at the time wanted him on their records, or even live if they could. And remember he's probably still the only guy to play the same concert in two continent on the same day (Live Aid)
Collins, is a Paul McCartney/ Prince like talent. Dude can play an assortment of instruments. I love the early mid 80's version of Genesis. No reply at all, is my fave. Rutherford is a beast on bass on that track too. My short story of who inspired me, wasn't a song. Actually was a picture. 1982, Van Halens, Diver Down album. When I seen those 4 kicks and the wall of roto Tom's with all the long cylinders and the huge gong. I was in awe. Before that a basic trap set was my visual. I thought gee whiz...how in the hell can he hit all that? Then two years later hot for teacher. Now I know how he does. Haha! Bonzo, will always be my idol. But Alex, is who made me wanna pick up that first pair of 7A's, I ever had. Here's one to add to your arsenal....Artimus Pyle. The Joe Walsh, of Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Hey Steve, Thanks for doing some Phil Collins drumming excellence!! When you first started this channel I subscribed immediately and was quietly (stealthily) waiting for you to sample some Phil Collins on the drums as I know that he gets both admired and crucified for his 80's pop output while many have no idea of his actual "since three years old drummer" origins and how few never understood just how phenomenal a drummer he was far before he reluctantly became a stand out vocalist. So here it finally came true and to my surprise Im hearing some pre-conceptions/bias against the prog of the 70's with a bit of dismissal attitude around that "dinosaur rock", "self indulgence" label that got applied to that style to make room for Punk at the time. WHAT???? Without a doubt there was some truth to all of that and while Punk did serve it's purpose of flushing the toilet so to speak I think you will find that in the long run the music of the Prog giants such as Genesis, King Crimsom, ELP, Yes, Jethro Tull and a few others will stand the test of time far better than any of the Punk music that had a Disco-like burst in the late 70's. Without a doubt there is some very dated throw away Prog output in the 70's but at the same time there is some cream of the crop Prog groups and albums that stand tall to a listen today that haven't dated an iota and will set you back in your seat IF you are willing to re-open your mind for a good solid listen. However, I do respect each's own personal taste in music so all is what it is. I really do feel you were fed an opinion at some point and adopted it as a generalization before you actually had a listen and made the decision yourself. So if you are willing, how about start with an album like Genesis' Duke to hear a Pop-Prog transition moment (and some killer drumming) and then venture carefully backward(if you dare). Not done yet... I should add that I never took a single drug to listen to a single note of Prog so please ditch that misperception as well. There I have had my rant....I feel much better now. Keep on tubing!!! And let's here some Progressive Rock! More Phil, More Bill Bruford and Carl Palmer etc etc.
This is a spot on comment. Seems like a nice guy and all, but he says he doesn’t like the song after literally talking through the entirety of it. You certainly don’t have to like 70s Genesis as it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but to dismiss it outright as self indulgent is insulting and proves you know nothing about it. Some prog rock definitely is, but Genesis is anything but self indulgent. They’ve always been about the song, not the playing which is why they attracted me as a fan. I also find it funny when people say how they know Phil Collin’s is a great drummer and then cite In The Air Tonight as the reason. 😂 they have no idea what they’ve never heard from him. I’ve also never taken a single drug when listening to Genesis music. The music itself is my drug. Some people will never understand what that’s like and I feel bad for them. But yes, please ditch the stereotype that we’re all high as a kite and our brains are fried. That’s just plain ignorance shining through. There’s my little rant.
This was a medley ending to the 1976 Trick of the Tail album, Collins first singing album w Genesis. His drumming on all the “pre-pop” records was unreal. Worth a study. I loved that you played this but I did cringe when you said you preferred the later pop records better. I think if you gave it the time you’d change your mind. In my opinion Duke was their last great album. ✌️ Peace brother.
I grew up in the seventies so i come to love early Genesis. As it so happens their first drummer vanished, actually so in about-72(from memory here ;)) In there persuit of a new drummer the choice fell on Phil partly because of his humor, he lightend them up. They were a quite serious bunch, anyway so it says in the book about Genesis.
Phil's finest drummerific moments : Apocalypse in 9/8 section of Supper's Ready will RIP your head off!! ( I am also a veteran drummer btw) Also: Fly on a Windshield Squonk Dance on a Volcano Watcher of the Skies You GOTTA hear all 22 min of Supper's Ready!!!!!!! THEN YOU HAVE TRULY HEARD THE REAL GENESIS!!! ( sorry I am a hard , Gabriel Genesis nerd, we are everywhere) Phil was also a huge inspiration to me as a drummer....as a singer, he was..... nice. Peter Gabriel was the huge, ragged, eerie voice that was Genesis from 1969-1974
Apocalyps in 9/8, man, yeah. '1-2-3, 1-2, 1, 1-2-3, 1-2,...' Tucked away at the end of a 20 minute long epic by Genesis. Sadly, that's exactly why most people will never hear it. Their loss!
@@njits789-- I find it a bit odd that no-one has issues about sitting through a two hour movie including trailers and commercials, but a 23 minute musical masterpiece is such hard work for everyone's poor little ears. The drumming throughout the entire piece is superb, but with Apocslypse section,, rock fusion drumming has achieved the level of the pure and sublime.
You are correct that Progressive Rock caused its own fall from favour, via the Punk revolution against Prog's self-indulgence. However, it was mostly ELP and Yes, especially the former, whose musical masturbations yanked the patience of all but their most ardent lovers -- I mean, their most loyal fans. Genesis saw the writing on the wall by 1978 and realised that they could and should sell out -- I mean, progress to shorter songs. Genesis started trying for shorter Pop songs as early as 1973, when they wrote and Peter Gabriel sang "I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)". It was a very catchy and fun tune yet it failed to become a hit. Then, their massive concept album, the double-record set of "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway", contained mainly shorter Rock songs and ballads, in 1974. Gabriel conceived the idea during the band's first visit to New York City, where they caught sight and smell of their first Punk / Proto-Punk Rockers. The point is that Genesis were ready to move on to more "normal" music by the time of the Punk explosion. Furthermore, even in the heat of their Progressive creativity, the members of Genesis always wrote and played in service of the songs, whereas the guys in ELP and Yes, among others, wrote songs in slavish service to their musicianship. This is what caused the next generation to rebel. This, and of course poverty and government ineptitude.
Hey Phil we can't find a singer to replace Gabriel. Well screw it. I'll sing then. Are you sure? What's the worst that can happen? Hey you know what Phil? You're a pretty good singer. Yeah maybe I should do a solo album.
Wow, my gut hurt when you said you didn't know much about Genesis !!!! And then, I think Gabriel is gone by then !!! : O My God I know I'm not alone on this, As a long time drummer myself, I'm 60' now Prog & Jazz Fusion was where it was at and all the Classic Prog Bands were my favs !!! You got so much Great music to catch up on, I feel good for you really, enjoy it !! Phil's Best playing with Genesis was 1971'-77'
On the 1973 album "Selling England by the Pound", in the song "Cinema Show", the instrumental section has Phil Collins being powerful yet at the same time delicate and very intricate. If you listen via headphones, it sounds like Phil has five hands. I always assumed that they must have multi-tracked the drums, but then I saw the Genesis recreation band called The Musical Box, and their drummer was playing all of those intricate details, AND the big, strong hits, all by himself. And I realized that Phil had developed his skills to that great a degree by the early 1970s. Neil Peart himself has said that when he heard this album, he realized that he was going to have to "up his game" and challenge himself to become a better drummer -- because of what Phil Collins was doing.
Do yourself a favor and listen to some of Genesis' older material. Firth of fifth, Supper's ready, The knife, all of A trick of a tail. These are the songs where Phil was really great
@@j8ste He's on the version on their 1973 live album. The difference his playing makes to the song is astonishing and the version on Genesis live is considered to be the definitive one by fans.
...and Los Endos is from Trick of the Tail, the first post-Gabriel Genesis album, so yes, Phil was singing then, though some of the songs were written by the band while Gabriel was still part of the band and the music was heavily influenced by Gabriel. The band turned more and more vacuous top-40 album by album after this, and most older Genesis fans think of Collins as the man who killed Genesis.
All iterations of Genesis are worthy. Best band breakup ever tho. Gave us a new version of Genesis. Peter Gabriel solo. Phil Collins solo. I suppose Mike and the Mechanics too.
His.whole gig is a solo! His work w Genesis is stellar but his stick stuff w brand x is realy beyond.incredibly underrated as most folks know him as a singer.his backing vocals were better than wen hes out front ...I think? Phil is a true stick monster that realy is so far ahead of most drummers it's not even close.anyway keep up the kool stuff bro
This was one year before In The Air Tonight came out on Phil's Face Value solo album. Phil took over vocal duties in 1975 after Peter left the band. Genesis became more pop oriented starting around 1979, but never left their progressive roots. Every subsequent album had at least one progressive song and their progressive songs were always the highlight of their concerts.
Phil joined Genesis in 1970 just before they recorded their 2nd album. Peter left in 1975 and Phil became the lead singer in 1976 during the recording of A Trick Of The Tail because they couldn't find anyone else that gelled with their sound. It was during Phil's marriage problems in the late 70s that lead to him starting to write more and lead to his first solo album Face Value and his bigger contributions to Genesis' Duke album.
@Junkdrummer TV I suppose I’m the first comment(er) on this video. Watching the rest of this reaction after I post this. Thumbs way up buddy much love and respect to you. Still love your opinions and approach, which is saying a lot because I’m only a guitar player. Wanted to apologize for the snobby comment on the last video. Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas 😎😎
yep ya right you dont know anything at all about Genesis !!this was taken from the duke tour which phil was singing phil started singin lead for the band years before this phils first album on lead vocals was a trick of the tail in 1975/6 los endos rocks !!!
When this tour was on the road, Phil already recorded Face Value, or at least the demos. There's the well-known anecdote in which Phil claims he played In The Air Tonight to the band, but they declined it for inclusion on the next Genesis album. Tony Banks disputes Phil ever played it to them. We'll never know!
...1980..i was 6. I remember Carter..Mt.St. Helens..and Genesis🙏. It was great growing up inna 80's. Phil Collins and the music they made helped me as well to become the musician I am today. Ty brother👌👍👍
Los Endos is from the 70's as was all the classic Genesis output. Seconds Out is a recording of a live concert in Paris in 1977. The "full" band minus PG played and the Los Endos recording is definitive. There is a video recording from the same concert tour, which was "overdubbed" with the Paris concert (different venue for the video I think). The video is a rarity in original form but exists(ed?) on YT.
Totally agreed with you Steve. But me personally I would always prefer the 70s Genesis over the 80s. The 80s genesis was good and so was Phil . Hats off to him for showing that music does not always needs to be from notes or techniques but also from what you feel.
The story goes that when Phil auditioned for Genesis as a drummer, he just tagged along with a mate who was auditioning as a guitarist. The audition was taking place in the grounds of a posh house. I think it was Rutherford's parents house, because the band were basically a bunch of privately educated posh kids. Anyway, there is Phil, who came from much leaner roots, swinging his legs off the side of the swimming pool, whilst listening to all the other drummers doing the sane set routine. When it was his turn Peter Gabriel, remembered how he shuffled in, in a very understated matter of fact way. And how he sat down at the drum kit, made a couple of adjustments, and then just belted out the routine backwards!! How cool is that? Although he was not musically trained, he had a natural god given gift. The band were blown away, and the rest is history.
This was in 1980 on the 'Duke' tour. Peter had already been gone for 5 years having left in 1975. And on this particular tour, Phil had the bottom heads back on the toms. The last tour he did so.
I got the privilege to sit behind Phil Collins and Chester Thompson at a Genesis show at the Los Angeles Forum I think it was 1984 it was absolutely amazing, long time Genesis fan since 'in the beginning" Peter Gabriel era, I would also like to know that Peter Gabriel was also a drummer multi-instrumentalist as well
Man You ain't heard Collins if you haven't heard early Genesis, Check it out , Battle of epping forest, riding the scree, Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers, most of The Lamb, Foxtrot and loads more, in my opinion his best work was back than, that fill on In The Air with the gated drum sound (a Peter Gabriel sound check Intruder) was something he had done for years but the pop world picked up on it, Legend drummer
Bro, early Genesis with Peter Gabriel is one of the best band of all time. Listen to "Firth Of Fifth", "The cinema show" or "Supper's Ready". You will regret not listening to them earlier.
CHECK OUT PROG GENESIS. I love Phil as a vocalist, don't get me wrong, but where he shines is what he's doing here. He and Chester are LOCKED. Neither is trying to cut the other. As you said, they are playing off each other. I got to see them live in '07. When Phil was drumming, it was heaven. I am a drummer because of these 2 men.
Listen to the monumental "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" by Genesis... when Gabriel was still singing most of the vocals. Do yourself that favor, you can thank me later.
Land of Confusion was the first song I heard. I don't play, but learning the guitar gave me an appreciation for every type of music. I Can't Dance is just fun, get outta here. I like it. Those songs define Phil for me, sorry. When I heard Land of Confusion, I had to find out the name of the band. I wanted a Phil Collins album, lol. I put that cassette tape right next to ...And Justice For All. That was top shelf, boys.
Chester was playing with Weather Report when Phil recruited him to replace Bill Bruford , prior to weather report Chester played with Frank Zappa at the Time Phil recruited Chester was when he started singing ,
Thanks Steve , Thanks a lot. Deep Menon is happy. Good that you took "Los Endos" to review its a good mixture of all the songs in this Genesis album. ( 1976 "A trick of the Trail") . Phil Collins is Saturday evening drum class bonding time for me and my father. He has been Phil's fan since his youth day's. I will be surely showing him this video.This made my 20year old mind return to playing drums harder than ever. Thanks again Steve.
I’ve watched just about all your videos but some how missed this till now, Collins was a huge influence on a young me (and a fellow lefty) I love all his playing from the early, kind of progy Gabriel Genesis years all the way up through his career. Thanks for the video! Love it
You should definitely take a look at "Genesis: In Concert - 1976". This would feature Bruford as the touring drummer before Chester would join in 1977.
This makes no sense. You never listened to prog Genesis but you’re already dismissing going to listen to them? They’re wayyyyyyy more melodic and catchy than Crimson as a prog band. And he was the lead singer of Genesis before he had any kind of solo career. Come on dude!
I was actually the same age when I got into Genesis and Phil! I was around 3 during the But Seriously and We Can't Dance tours, and 8 by the time Genesis final album Calling All Stations came out (sadly without Phil, but still a great album with a drum solo!) Check out "The Dividing Line" song, one of their best drum-focused songs of all time, and it was on their LAST album, drummed by Nir Z who replaced Phil on drums.
You NEED to listen to get into his 70's Genesis prog work. Odd times out the wazoo!! Selling England By the Pound is my Go To. LOS ENDOS is from Trick Of The Tail, the first album AFTER Peter left and Phil taking over as front man. The overall tone was infectious and beautiful and his drumming was always top notch. I copied and pasted from a spot from a 1997 interview by William F. Miller: “Los Endos” was a tune composed around a pattern that Phil “borrowed” from rhythm-master Airto. “I got that beat almost directly from a Santana album that Airto played on called Borboletta,” Phil admits. “I don’t think it was one of Santana’s most popular records, but I was really inspired by it.” “Los Endos” doesn’t quite sound like a tune you’d hear on a Santana record. (“I was trying for that feel,” Phil jokes.) Yes, there’s that salsa-esque bass drum pattern, but it’s played at such a hyper-space speed that the feel ends up being much more aggressive. The pattern Phil plays with his hands is blistering."
How in the world can you say you prefer their pop songs to this? Especially as a drum teacher, don't get it. Admittedly I'm a dyed in the wool prog rock fan but this is one of their finest arrangements in their history (although there are better clips available of it). I'm disappointed in your reaction even having claimed to like his In The Air Tonight sound as an early music memory. I have been loving drums and drummers for well over 60 years as a music lover.
Any chance doing Tommy Aldridge??? I learned how to play double bass from his video(beta,not vhs,showing my age...lol)& used parts from his solo in my HS drum solo performance.
YOU HAVE TO listen to ALL the 70' from PCollins ( Genesis and Brand-X ) before you left this world. I play drum for 37 years and i know very well all the rock drummer and he is the best in the rock-prog era, the most solid technically , whit a very strong artistic feel on his play. Start with 1) "Genesis live" 1973, 2) selling england by the pound 3) second out live 4) every albums afther "selling england by the pound" up to "and then there were three" inclusivelly. and dont forget Brand-X.
Los endos is the final track of the 1975 Trick of the Tail album. PC was singing in this 1980 gig but not on this track, obviously. Los Endos is partially a reprise of some of the songs on the album.
I really like Phil Collins as well! I always say that solo is the most memorable 10 drum hits of any song. Nathan Camarena of Chon is also a great drummer, I’d love to see you react to video of him. You may enjoy the prog jazz fusion.
I don’t think that is the best version of los Endos, maybe I’m wrong but I think 86’s version is better. Also I think that Duke’s travels/Duke’s end is a better example of Phil’s capabilities as a drummer.
Phil played on (and produced) several of Peter Gabriel's albums. Yes, the music that helped make Punk happen. He played drums throughout his pop era, but all the way his playing was top drawer stuff. Dramatic music yes, but you need to drive into more earlier Genesis. Great MUSIC.
I would think that you as a drummer would appreciate Dance On A Volcano from the same album (opening track). Or, The album Selling England By The Pound from 1973 ( my favorite album ).
On the subject of two drummers, I’d like to hear your thoughts and analysis on Butch Trucks and Jaimoe of the Allman Brothers Band. I can’t play an instrument but I know when I hear something I like and the Allman’s sound is it. The two lead guitars and guitar harmonies of Duane and Dickey are easy to hear and sound amazing, but I’d like to know how and why those two drummers playing together sound so good and work so well together. Never having played an instrument, it seems counterintuitive. Thoughts? Thanks!
If you are a drummer, especially a professional drummer, you are doing yourself a huge disservice by not being aware of Phil Collins’ drumming work with Genesis in the 70s. You’ll also realize that the In The Air Tonight drum fill (it’s not a solo) is just another day at the office for Phil. He was one of the most creative, inventive, groovy drummers there ever was and he obviously had a great pop sensibility on top of it.
Junkdrummer TV wasn’t necessarily directed at you since you are obviously a drummer and like Phil Collin’s. But I think it’s important to be aware of the greats and what they did to become great if you are looking to improve as a drummer, which we all should be. I don’t particularly like jazz music, but I am certainly familiar with Buddy Rich’s work. All I mean to say is don’t dismiss Phil Collin’s work in the 70s just because you have your preconceptions about prog rock. You are seriously overlooking some incredible drumming that will stick with you forever.
Insanely talented man! I h8 it because theres something bout his voice that drove me crazy & caused me not 2 enjoy Genesis when Phil took ovr, but Gabriel👍 Godsmack does an epic drum duel w/ singer & drummer u might like if u havent seen it
This was five years (and four studio albums) after Peter Gabriel left, and already very much into the "pop" Genesis era, at least where radio play was concerned. They'd already had two big radio hits in the States by this time (one off the album they were touring here, one of the one before). They never stopped being an amazing live band, this tour being a case in point, but for me their recorded output really started to suffer after the Duke album. It's strange to me that, as a drummer, you aren't that familiar with Phil's seventies work with Genesis. For my money, that's where most of his finest playing is to be found. I'm no Gabriel era purist, but I do much prefer the seventies Genesis stuff, on the whole. Half of his solo stuff used drum machines. Not something I condemn out of hand, but certainly a lot less interesting from a drumming perspective. Each to their own, I suppose. They certainly made a lot more money for themselves during the following years. Also, I'd take issue with the notion that nobody tried to take the Collins drum sound. There was a period there in the 80s when you couldn't turn on the radio without hearing that gated reverb drum sound. Of course, half the time the records we were hearing had been produced by Collins in any case! Everyone from Eric Clapton to Adam Ant had Phil on the desk, but a hell of a lot of people tried to copy that sound back then too (interestingly, it actually first appeared on a Peter Gabriel record, not a Collins set). It often shows up as a kit selection on modern drum machines and sequencing software as well, so we'll keep hearing it here and there for a while yet.
@@njits789 Yes, Collins and Padgham (who was also the engineer on the Gabriel record I mentioned) were messing about with mics and desk effects, in this case an old spring reverb compressed and fed through a sound gate, whilst trying to get the drum track for The Intruder recorded. Gabriel heard it and said "Use that. It's weird." The sound was copied by just about everyone after Collins began using a more polished version on both his and Genesis's records. It wasn't exclusively Padgham or Collins who came up with the sound and it wouldn't have become a thing if Gabriel hadn't piped up at the moment he heard it either. Many of the people who tried to copy it didn't understand that you needed concert toms like Collins played to get the full effect, which is why the Collins version of the sound is the one people tend to remember.
Bro Mike is the hearth of Genesis, Phil is The Drummer but Peter Gabriel was vocal that Phill was to learn to sign... you must know and find the Masters.
If you want to hear some absolute top notch Phil, check out the last album of the Gabriel era - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. It's my fave Genesis rekkid. You won't be sorry :) Oh, and btw, if you want to review Bruford, check out Larks Tongues in Aspic era King Crimson. Way better than anything he did with Yes.
I like “The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway” mainly because of Peter Gabriel (“Carpet Crawlers” especially) but so much of it sounds like 70’s/80’s Television “music bed” music. I need more guitar! Phil was great but long live The Sex Pistols and the punk movement.
Hey anybody that can play along with Claypool, is ausum! You may as well throw everything out the window you've ever learned. That shit does not apply anymore. Herb, puts accents and fills in places that ........well hell, I dunno. They're an entity all their own. Love some, (Herb)!
I have to agree with you, Phil and Genesis were better in the 80s. At least you could dance to it! Seems like Sussudio kicked it all off. The latter songs of Invisible Touch are also amazing, strung together like a theater production. You don’t have to do yourself any favors, lol
Now everyone has a right to an own opinion and taste of music. But it kinda makes me sad to hear you say you would rather listen to another band if you would like to listen to such music. I think Los Endos is one of the best instrumental songs I have ever heard.
Peter Gabriel left after The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (1974). Genesis released Duke in 1980, which is probably their last real "prog" album. "Los Endos" was was the last song on A Trick of the Tail (1976), but there are also bits and pieces in this medley from a few other songs, including "Dance on a Volcano" off aforementioned album. Some outstanding Phil Collins album tracks would be "Nuclear Burn" from Brand X's first album Unorthodox Behaviour (1976) or "Dancing With the Moonlit Knight" from Genesis' Selling England By the Pound (1973).
Do we really need a history lesson?....yes..it's true...Phil is a drummer....and one of the best.If Bill Bruford fills in for you on tour,that's really all you need to know.
@@MrDNAcurry123 I'm afraid your the wrong one...Bill filled in for Phil on the Trick of the Tail tour..learn your history but then again,if you are too young to know that,your forgiven.I have no time to argue "facts" with neophytes.Your thinking of Chester Thompson,who did that tour,not Bill Bruford and it was the Wind and Wuthering tour.There was never any Seconds Out tour...ever...
Great a) that you dig Phil and b) that you checked out a huge Genesis stage favourite in Drum duet/Los Endos. imho, however, this version from Wembley Stadium '87 shows off the whole thing much better: th-cam.com/video/3pS_eQT0Uz8/w-d-xo.html Have a great day!
'POP' Genesis??? Noooooooooo!!! :-) You should check out the album this track came from: 'Trick Of The Tail'. It's his drumming which makes that album. Seriously. Please don't be put off by this live version.
Oh. Phil Collins era drumming for genesis is some of the best drumming ever seen. Period.
In my opinion Phil was the best drummer of his time
one of the BEST musicians. He played to the music, to the other musicians. He made everything and everybody BETTER.
no, there is'nt
@@jareczek1980 Do you know 70s Phil's drumming with early Genesis and Brand X?
My all time favorite drummer.
Phil, Bill, and Neil
I'm amazed you have not heard early Genesis best drumming from Phil. Best drumming he's ever done.
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Phil's work with Brand X is pretty damn good.
Yeah I don’t get this dude. Phil’s more complex and interesting drumming was Duke and earlier.
@@jsghetler yeah exactly. My parents stopped listening after abacab it was commercial pop. I heard the first few Collins singing albums and Gabriel albums a million times. This guy is missing out.
His Drumming with Brand X is amazing.
Sad that Phil Collins no longer has the ability to play drums anymore due to his health. All those years of drumming had took a toll on him.
Johan Eights drumming and alcohol and drugs. Not just drumming.
Sam as ginger baker
At this point Collins had already been the lead vocalist for about 4 1/2 years.
Apocalypse in 9/8, live.
Phil is, and always has been, a fucking BEAST.
Hey Steve! (Love the channel, BTW). Two things:
1) Los Endos is sort of a compilation of various key motifs from "A Trick of the Tail" (a must listen from start to finish) and other pieces of Genesis album magic.
2) If you get an opportunity, crank up Seconds Out (a 2-Album Genesis live set from the ). It will set your toms on fire. The whole thing is also here on TH-cam.
Keep rockin' the skins, brother!
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@@JunkdrummerTV -Absofreakinlutely, Steve! Like you, music saved my life (I was fortunate to do a summer tour with Peter Gabriel in 1992).
Music is so important to me, I recently crafted this as a homage to my musically-rich past: www.webnu.co/Kids-Music-Voice
@@MarkAlanEffinger Wow that must've been a great experience!
Phil had been singing with Genesis for around 5 years years by the time of this performance, and had fronted four albums and a live album. He is an incredible drummer (as was Chester) The band were probably at their 'tightest' at this time, although they were distinctly moving away from prog rock. My favourite era of the band was 1976 - 1980 (A Trick of the tail - Duke)
Sooooo crazy. Phil was the "master" in this iteration but wow. Few people know how masterful Phil is/was.
The thing about Genesis was that they were basically what would happen if you put Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Wagner and Phil Collins in a band together.
If you’re really into Genesis why wouldn’t you want to discover in depth the most complex drumming of Phil’s career? He played some crazy shit before the 80s “big drum” sound he morphed more into. He was the lead singer since 1976 too. Come on man! So much drumming for you to discover.
Phil was very much like Grohl is today. Everyone at the time wanted him on their records, or even live if they could. And remember he's probably still the only guy to play the same concert in two continent on the same day (Live Aid)
Only thing is.........Collins is way F###ING better than grohl
I've been playing drums since I was 10 years old. And Phil has always been my favorite drummer.
Collins, is a Paul McCartney/ Prince like talent. Dude can play an assortment of instruments. I love the early mid 80's version of Genesis. No reply at all, is my fave. Rutherford is a beast on bass on that track too. My short story of who inspired me, wasn't a song. Actually was a picture. 1982, Van Halens, Diver Down album. When I seen those 4 kicks and the wall of roto Tom's with all the long cylinders and the huge gong. I was in awe. Before that a basic trap set was my visual. I thought gee whiz...how in the hell can he hit all that? Then two years later hot for teacher. Now I know how he does. Haha! Bonzo, will always be my idol. But Alex, is who made me wanna pick up that first pair of 7A's, I ever had. Here's one to add to your arsenal....Artimus Pyle. The Joe Walsh, of Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Hey Steve, Thanks for doing some Phil Collins drumming excellence!!
When you first started this channel I subscribed immediately and was quietly (stealthily) waiting for you to sample some Phil Collins on the drums as I know that he gets both admired and crucified for his 80's pop output while many have no idea of his actual "since three years old drummer" origins and how few never understood just how phenomenal a drummer he was far before he reluctantly became a stand out vocalist.
So here it finally came true and to my surprise Im hearing some pre-conceptions/bias against the prog of the 70's with a bit of dismissal attitude around that "dinosaur rock", "self indulgence" label that got applied to that style to make room for Punk at the time. WHAT???? Without a doubt there was some truth to all of that and while Punk did serve it's purpose of flushing the toilet so to speak I think you will find that in the long run the music of the Prog giants such as Genesis, King Crimsom, ELP, Yes, Jethro Tull and a few others will stand the test of time far better than any of the Punk music that had a Disco-like burst in the late 70's.
Without a doubt there is some very dated throw away Prog output in the 70's but at the same time there is some cream of the crop Prog groups and albums that stand tall to a listen today that haven't dated an iota and will set you back in your seat IF you are willing to re-open your mind for a good solid listen.
However, I do respect each's own personal taste in music so all is what it is. I really do feel you were fed an opinion at some point and adopted it as a generalization before you actually had a listen and made the decision yourself. So if you are willing, how about start with an album like Genesis' Duke to hear a Pop-Prog transition moment (and some killer drumming) and then venture carefully backward(if you dare).
Not done yet... I should add that I never took a single drug to listen to a single note of Prog so please ditch that misperception as well.
There I have had my rant....I feel much better now. Keep on tubing!!! And let's here some Progressive Rock! More Phil, More Bill Bruford and Carl Palmer etc etc.
Progressive Rock is incredible and prog drummers are some of the best ever, IMO!
This is a spot on comment. Seems like a nice guy and all, but he says he doesn’t like the song after literally talking through the entirety of it. You certainly don’t have to like 70s Genesis as it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but to dismiss it outright as self indulgent is insulting and proves you know nothing about it. Some prog rock definitely is, but Genesis is anything but self indulgent. They’ve always been about the song, not the playing which is why they attracted me as a fan.
I also find it funny when people say how they know Phil Collin’s is a great drummer and then cite In The Air Tonight as the reason. 😂 they have no idea what they’ve never heard from him.
I’ve also never taken a single drug when listening to Genesis music. The music itself is my drug. Some people will never understand what that’s like and I feel bad for them. But yes, please ditch the stereotype that we’re all high as a kite and our brains are fried. That’s just plain ignorance shining through.
There’s my little rant.
This was a medley ending to the 1976 Trick of the Tail album, Collins first singing album w Genesis. His drumming on all the “pre-pop” records was unreal. Worth a study. I loved that you played this but I did cringe when you said you preferred the later pop records better. I think if you gave it the time you’d change your mind. In my opinion Duke was their last great album. ✌️ Peace brother.
I grew up in the seventies so i come to love early Genesis. As it so happens their first drummer vanished, actually so in about-72(from memory here ;))
In there persuit of a new drummer the choice fell on Phil partly because of his humor, he lightend them up. They were a quite serious bunch, anyway so it says in the book about Genesis.
"The Book of Genesis". I just now caught that... awesome!
It was 1970.
Phil's finest drummerific moments : Apocalypse in 9/8 section of Supper's Ready will RIP your head off!! ( I am also a veteran drummer btw)
Also: Fly on a Windshield
Squonk
Dance on a Volcano
Watcher of the Skies
You GOTTA hear all 22 min of
Supper's Ready!!!!!!!
THEN YOU HAVE TRULY HEARD THE REAL GENESIS!!!
( sorry I am a hard , Gabriel Genesis nerd, we are everywhere)
Phil was also a huge inspiration to me as a drummer....as a singer, he was..... nice. Peter Gabriel was the huge, ragged, eerie voice that was Genesis from 1969-1974
Apocalyps in 9/8, man, yeah. '1-2-3, 1-2, 1, 1-2-3, 1-2,...' Tucked away at the end of a 20 minute long epic by Genesis. Sadly, that's exactly why most people will never hear it. Their loss!
@@njits789-- I find it a bit odd that no-one has issues about sitting through a two hour movie including trailers and commercials, but a 23 minute musical masterpiece is such hard work for everyone's poor little ears.
The drumming throughout the entire piece is superb, but with Apocslypse section,, rock fusion drumming has achieved the level of the pure and sublime.
Very true. Single kick drums have always looked cooler than double.
You are correct that Progressive Rock caused its own fall from favour, via the Punk revolution against Prog's self-indulgence. However, it was mostly ELP and Yes, especially the former, whose musical masturbations yanked the patience of all but their most ardent lovers -- I mean, their most loyal fans. Genesis saw the writing on the wall by 1978 and realised that they could and should sell out -- I mean, progress to shorter songs. Genesis started trying for shorter Pop songs as early as 1973, when they wrote and Peter Gabriel sang "I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)". It was a very catchy and fun tune yet it failed to become a hit.
Then, their massive concept album, the double-record set of "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway", contained mainly shorter Rock songs and ballads, in 1974. Gabriel conceived the idea during the band's first visit to New York City, where they caught sight and smell of their first Punk / Proto-Punk Rockers. The point is that Genesis were ready to move on to more "normal" music by the time of the Punk explosion.
Furthermore, even in the heat of their Progressive creativity, the members of Genesis always wrote and played in service of the songs, whereas the guys in ELP and Yes, among others, wrote songs in slavish service to their musicianship. This is what caused the next generation to rebel. This, and of course poverty and government ineptitude.
Phil Collins is very underrated as a drummer.
I mean I Don't Care Anymore is a legit pop song written around a drum riff.
Hey Phil we can't find a singer to replace Gabriel. Well screw it. I'll sing then. Are you sure? What's the worst that can happen? Hey you know what Phil? You're a pretty good singer. Yeah maybe I should do a solo album.
No. He's rated just right by those of us who don't underrate things.
@Ken Fullman he is not underrated at all LOLLLL
DAVE GROHL LIKES HIM
BONHAM TOO
PORTNOY TOO
HANTSON TOO
TwoandaHater
Not in *my* house!
Wow, my gut hurt when you said you didn't know much about Genesis !!!!
And then, I think Gabriel is gone by then !!! : O
My God I know I'm not alone on this, As a long time drummer myself, I'm 60' now Prog & Jazz Fusion was where it was at and all the Classic Prog Bands were my favs !!!
You got so much Great music to catch up on, I feel good for you really, enjoy it !!
Phil's Best playing with Genesis was 1971'-77'
On the 1973 album "Selling England by the Pound", in the song "Cinema Show", the instrumental section has Phil Collins being powerful yet at the same time delicate and very intricate. If you listen via headphones, it sounds like Phil has five hands.
I always assumed that they must have multi-tracked the drums, but then I saw the Genesis recreation band called The Musical Box, and their drummer was playing all of those intricate details, AND the big, strong hits, all by himself. And I realized that Phil had developed his skills to that great a degree by the early 1970s. Neil Peart himself has said that when he heard this album, he realized that he was going to have to "up his game" and challenge himself to become a better drummer -- because of what Phil Collins was doing.
Do yourself a favor and listen to some of Genesis' older material. Firth of fifth, Supper's ready, The knife, all of A trick of a tail. These are the songs where Phil was really great
DrSmooth96 Phil wasn’t on the knife
@@j8ste I apologize, I'm incorrect. I thought he was part of that song. Still a great song
@@j8ste He's on the version on their 1973 live album. The difference his playing makes to the song is astonishing and the version on Genesis live is considered to be the definitive one by fans.
Go back to Brand X (before even Pete Gabriel Genesis) for the real amazing Phil stuff, or search out some of the jazz gigs he’s done.
...and Los Endos is from Trick of the Tail, the first post-Gabriel Genesis album, so yes, Phil was singing then, though some of the songs were written by the band while Gabriel was still part of the band and the music was heavily influenced by Gabriel. The band turned more and more vacuous top-40 album by album after this, and most older Genesis fans think of Collins as the man who killed Genesis.
Phil is the best. Period! In the Air Tonight changed my life, too. Oh, and Los Endos ROCKS!
Not a gigantic fan? This was some of the, most epic Genesis EVER!!!!!
All iterations of Genesis are worthy. Best band breakup ever tho.
Gave us a new version of Genesis.
Peter Gabriel solo.
Phil Collins solo.
I suppose Mike and the Mechanics too.
Excellent point
And Bankstatement.
His.whole gig is a solo! His work w Genesis is stellar but his stick stuff w brand x is realy beyond.incredibly underrated as most folks know him as a singer.his backing vocals were better than wen hes out front ...I think? Phil is a true stick monster that realy is so far ahead of most drummers it's not even close.anyway keep up the kool stuff bro
Steve Hackett, also great solocareer.
You need to react to Genesis - The cinemashow with Phil and mr. Bill Bruford
and i know what i like too
This was one year before In The Air Tonight came out on Phil's Face Value solo album.
Phil took over vocal duties in 1975 after Peter left the band. Genesis became more pop oriented starting around 1979, but never left their progressive roots. Every subsequent album had at least one progressive song and their progressive songs were always the highlight of their concerts.
Phil joined Genesis in 1970 just before they recorded their 2nd album. Peter left in 1975 and Phil became the lead singer in 1976 during the recording of A Trick Of The Tail because they couldn't find anyone else that gelled with their sound.
It was during Phil's marriage problems in the late 70s that lead to him starting to write more and lead to his first solo album Face Value and his bigger contributions to Genesis' Duke album.
Phil did not appear until their third album " Nursery Cryme".
@@mikelmart You're right. I keep forgetting about Trespass.
@Junkdrummer TV I suppose I’m the first comment(er) on this video. Watching the rest of this reaction after I post this. Thumbs way up buddy much love and respect to you. Still love your opinions and approach, which is saying a lot because I’m only a guitar player. Wanted to apologize for the snobby comment on the last video. Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas 😎😎
Thank you!! That makes me feel great. Have a good holiday.
yep ya right you dont know anything at all about Genesis !!this was taken from the duke tour which phil was singing phil started singin lead for the band years before this phils first album on lead vocals was a trick of the tail in 1975/6 los endos rocks !!!
When this tour was on the road, Phil already recorded Face Value, or at least the demos. There's the well-known anecdote in which Phil claims he played In The Air Tonight to the band, but they declined it for inclusion on the next Genesis album. Tony Banks disputes Phil ever played it to them. We'll never know!
...1980..i was 6.
I remember Carter..Mt.St. Helens..and Genesis🙏.
It was great growing up inna 80's. Phil Collins and the music they made helped me as well to become the musician I am today. Ty brother👌👍👍
Los Endos is from the 70's as was all the classic Genesis output. Seconds Out is a recording of a live concert in Paris in 1977. The "full" band minus PG played and the Los Endos recording is definitive. There is a video recording from the same concert tour, which was "overdubbed" with the Paris concert (different venue for the video I think). The video is a rarity in original form but exists(ed?) on YT.
Both Bill Bruford and Chester Thomson have played the drum duet from Los Endos with Phil Collins. The concert you are watching is from 1987.
Totally agreed with you Steve. But me personally I would always prefer the 70s Genesis over the 80s. The 80s genesis was good and so was Phil . Hats off to him for showing that music does not always needs to be from notes or techniques but also from what you feel.
The story goes that when Phil auditioned for Genesis as a drummer, he just tagged along with a mate who was auditioning as a guitarist. The audition was taking place in the grounds of a posh house. I think it was Rutherford's parents house, because the band were basically a bunch of privately educated posh kids. Anyway, there is Phil, who came from much leaner roots, swinging his legs off the side of the swimming pool, whilst listening to all the other drummers doing the sane set routine. When it was his turn Peter Gabriel, remembered how he shuffled in, in a very understated matter of fact way. And how he sat down at the drum kit, made a couple of adjustments, and then just belted out the routine backwards!! How cool is that? Although he was not musically trained, he had a natural god given gift. The band were blown away, and the rest is history.
This was in 1980 on the 'Duke' tour. Peter had already been gone for 5 years having left in 1975. And on this particular tour, Phil had the bottom heads back on the toms. The last tour he did so.
I got the privilege to sit behind Phil Collins and Chester Thompson at a Genesis show at the Los Angeles Forum I think it was 1984 it was absolutely amazing, long time Genesis fan since 'in the beginning" Peter Gabriel era, I would also like to know that Peter Gabriel was also a drummer multi-instrumentalist as well
Man You ain't heard Collins if you haven't heard early Genesis, Check it out , Battle of epping forest, riding the scree, Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers, most of The Lamb, Foxtrot and loads more, in my opinion his best work was back than, that fill on In The Air with the gated drum sound (a Peter Gabriel sound check Intruder) was something he had done for years but the pop world picked up on it, Legend drummer
Bro, early Genesis with Peter Gabriel is one of the best band of all time. Listen to "Firth Of Fifth", "The cinema show" or "Supper's Ready". You will regret not listening to them earlier.
CHECK OUT PROG GENESIS. I love Phil as a vocalist, don't get me wrong, but where he shines is what he's doing here. He and Chester are LOCKED. Neither is trying to cut the other. As you said, they are playing off each other. I got to see them live in '07. When Phil was drumming, it was heaven. I am a drummer because of these 2 men.
At 12 years old heard foxtrot by genesis...phil is creative * and feels the music
Interestingly, the 1980 tour was the only Genesis tour in which he didn't play concert toms, he played conventional two headed toms on this show!
Love Phil Collins
Watch Thomas Lang "Time"
Listen to the monumental "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" by Genesis... when Gabriel was still singing most of the vocals. Do yourself that favor, you can thank me later.
You said Ralph Humphries. Now you have my respect.
Land of Confusion was the first song I heard. I don't play, but learning the guitar gave me an appreciation for every type of music. I Can't Dance is just fun, get outta here. I like it. Those songs define Phil for me, sorry. When I heard Land of Confusion, I had to find out the name of the band. I wanted a Phil Collins album, lol. I put that cassette tape right next to ...And Justice For All. That was top shelf, boys.
Chester was playing with Weather Report when Phil recruited him to replace Bill Bruford , prior to weather report Chester played with Frank Zappa at the Time Phil recruited Chester was when he started singing ,
Before ,even watching the video . Thank you Steve for finally answering my prayers. Thanks. Now I shall watch the complete video.
I hope you enjoy it!
Thanks Steve , Thanks a lot. Deep Menon is happy. Good that you took "Los Endos" to review its a good mixture of all the songs in this Genesis album. ( 1976 "A trick of the Trail") . Phil Collins is Saturday evening drum class bonding time for me and my father. He has been Phil's fan since his youth day's. I will be surely showing him this video.This made my 20year old mind return to playing drums harder than ever. Thanks again Steve.
@@dbmdrums1105 no problem man. It was my pleasure.
And bill bruford played with Phil in genesis during the seconds out tour. Amazing drumming.
I’ve watched just about all your videos but some how missed this till now, Collins was a huge influence on a young me (and a fellow lefty) I love all his playing from the early, kind of progy Gabriel Genesis years all the way up through his career. Thanks for the video! Love it
Also.....please do a Ronnie Vannucci video some day! I’m not a huge killers fan, but his playing is great and I’d love to hear your thoughts, etc
Also Phil was singing by this time, Lester didn’t join till Phil started singing around ‘76ish
Funny thing is Phil is playing double headed premier drums on this tour, and yet he still gets them to “bark” like he did with his concert toms
You should definitely take a look at "Genesis: In Concert - 1976". This would feature Bruford as the touring drummer before Chester would join in 1977.
'In the Air Tonight' is a beautiful atmospheric song..
This makes no sense. You never listened to prog Genesis but you’re already dismissing going to listen to them? They’re wayyyyyyy more melodic and catchy than Crimson as a prog band. And he was the lead singer of Genesis before he had any kind of solo career. Come on dude!
I was actually the same age when I got into Genesis and Phil! I was around 3 during the But Seriously and We Can't Dance tours, and 8 by the time Genesis final album Calling All Stations came out (sadly without Phil, but still a great album with a drum solo!) Check out "The Dividing Line" song, one of their best drum-focused songs of all time, and it was on their LAST album, drummed by Nir Z who replaced Phil on drums.
You NEED to listen to get into his 70's Genesis prog work. Odd times out the wazoo!! Selling England By the Pound is my Go To. LOS ENDOS is from Trick Of The Tail, the first album AFTER Peter left and Phil taking over as front man. The overall tone was infectious and beautiful and his drumming was always top notch. I copied and pasted from a spot from a 1997 interview by William F. Miller:
“Los Endos” was a tune composed around a pattern that Phil “borrowed” from rhythm-master Airto. “I got that beat almost directly from a Santana album that Airto played on called Borboletta,” Phil admits. “I don’t think it was one of Santana’s most popular records, but I was really inspired by it.”
“Los Endos” doesn’t quite sound like a tune you’d hear on a Santana record. (“I was trying for that feel,” Phil jokes.) Yes, there’s that salsa-esque bass drum pattern, but it’s played at such a hyper-space speed that the feel ends up being much more aggressive. The pattern Phil plays with his hands is blistering."
How in the world can you say you prefer their pop songs to this? Especially as a drum teacher, don't get it. Admittedly I'm a dyed in the wool prog rock fan but this is one of their finest arrangements in their history (although there are better clips available of it). I'm disappointed in your reaction even having claimed to like his In The Air Tonight sound as an early music memory. I have been loving drums and drummers for well over 60 years as a music lover.
Any chance doing Tommy Aldridge???
I learned how to play double bass from his video(beta,not vhs,showing my age...lol)& used parts from his solo in my HS drum solo performance.
YOU HAVE TO listen to ALL the 70' from PCollins ( Genesis and Brand-X ) before you left this world. I play drum for 37 years and i know very well all the rock drummer and he is the best in the rock-prog era, the most solid technically , whit a very strong artistic feel on his play. Start with 1) "Genesis live" 1973, 2) selling england by the pound 3) second out live 4) every albums afther "selling england by the pound" up to "and then there were three" inclusivelly. and dont forget Brand-X.
Los endos is the final track of the 1975 Trick of the Tail album. PC was singing in this 1980 gig but not on this track, obviously. Los Endos is partially a reprise of some of the songs on the album.
I really like Phil Collins as well! I always say that solo is the most memorable 10 drum hits of any song. Nathan Camarena of Chon is also a great drummer, I’d love to see you react to video of him. You may enjoy the prog jazz fusion.
I don’t think that is the best version of los Endos, maybe I’m wrong but I think 86’s version is better. Also I think that Duke’s travels/Duke’s end is a better example of Phil’s capabilities as a drummer.
A drummer who claims Phil Collins as a influence, but doesn't know/like the Genesis prog years (what is wrong with you?)
So many things
@@JunkdrummerTV Catch some Brand X albums with Phil (his drumming is waaaay underrated, even though he's famous for the pop fluff)
Phil played on (and produced) several of Peter Gabriel's albums. Yes, the music that helped make Punk happen. He played drums throughout his pop era, but all the way his playing was top drawer stuff. Dramatic music yes, but you need to drive into more earlier Genesis. Great MUSIC.
I would think that you as a drummer would appreciate Dance On A Volcano from the same album (opening track). Or, The album Selling England By The Pound from 1973 ( my favorite album ).
On the subject of two drummers, I’d like to hear your thoughts and analysis on Butch Trucks and Jaimoe of the Allman Brothers Band. I can’t play an instrument but I know when I hear something I like and the Allman’s sound is it. The two lead guitars and guitar harmonies of Duane and Dickey are easy to hear and sound amazing, but I’d like to know how and why those two drummers playing together sound so good and work so well together. Never having played an instrument, it seems counterintuitive. Thoughts? Thanks!
Please do a video on nicko mcbrain !
Torres anybody know whether Nic Collins is now substituting Chester for good?
If you are a drummer, especially a professional drummer, you are doing yourself a huge disservice by not being aware of Phil Collins’ drumming work with Genesis in the 70s. You’ll also realize that the In The Air Tonight drum fill (it’s not a solo) is just another day at the office for Phil. He was one of the most creative, inventive, groovy drummers there ever was and he obviously had a great pop sensibility on top of it.
What do you mean if?
Junkdrummer TV wasn’t necessarily directed at you since you are obviously a drummer and like Phil Collin’s. But I think it’s important to be aware of the greats and what they did to become great if you are looking to improve as a drummer, which we all should be. I don’t particularly like jazz music, but I am certainly familiar with Buddy Rich’s work. All I mean to say is don’t dismiss Phil Collin’s work in the 70s just because you have your preconceptions about prog rock. You are seriously overlooking some incredible drumming that will stick with you forever.
I hope you've found the time to get into 70's Genesis. It's well worth the effort
Insanely talented man! I h8 it because theres something bout his voice that drove me crazy & caused me not 2 enjoy Genesis when Phil took ovr, but Gabriel👍 Godsmack does an epic drum duel w/ singer & drummer u might like if u havent seen it
This was five years (and four studio albums) after Peter Gabriel left, and already very much into the "pop" Genesis era, at least where radio play was concerned. They'd already had two big radio hits in the States by this time (one off the album they were touring here, one of the one before). They never stopped being an amazing live band, this tour being a case in point, but for me their recorded output really started to suffer after the Duke album. It's strange to me that, as a drummer, you aren't that familiar with Phil's seventies work with Genesis. For my money, that's where most of his finest playing is to be found. I'm no Gabriel era purist, but I do much prefer the seventies Genesis stuff, on the whole. Half of his solo stuff used drum machines. Not something I condemn out of hand, but certainly a lot less interesting from a drumming perspective. Each to their own, I suppose. They certainly made a lot more money for themselves during the following years.
Also, I'd take issue with the notion that nobody tried to take the Collins drum sound. There was a period there in the 80s when you couldn't turn on the radio without hearing that gated reverb drum sound. Of course, half the time the records we were hearing had been produced by Collins in any case! Everyone from Eric Clapton to Adam Ant had Phil on the desk, but a hell of a lot of people tried to copy that sound back then too (interestingly, it actually first appeared on a Peter Gabriel record, not a Collins set). It often shows up as a kit selection on modern drum machines and sequencing software as well, so we'll keep hearing it here and there for a while yet.
I rather think it's the Hugh Padgham sound you're hearing. He engineered / produced their 80s albums and the albums of many other artists of that era.
@@njits789 Yes, Collins and Padgham (who was also the engineer on the Gabriel record I mentioned) were messing about with mics and desk effects, in this case an old spring reverb compressed and fed through a sound gate, whilst trying to get the drum track for The Intruder recorded. Gabriel heard it and said "Use that. It's weird." The sound was copied by just about everyone after Collins began using a more polished version on both his and Genesis's records. It wasn't exclusively Padgham or Collins who came up with the sound and it wouldn't have become a thing if Gabriel hadn't piped up at the moment he heard it either. Many of the people who tried to copy it didn't understand that you needed concert toms like Collins played to get the full effect, which is why the Collins version of the sound is the one people tend to remember.
Bro Mike is the hearth of Genesis, Phil is The Drummer but Peter Gabriel was vocal that Phill was to learn to sign... you must know and find the Masters.
If you want to hear some absolute top notch Phil, check out the last album of the Gabriel era - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. It's my fave Genesis rekkid. You won't be sorry :) Oh, and btw, if you want to review Bruford, check out Larks Tongues in Aspic era King Crimson. Way better than anything he did with Yes.
I like “The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway” mainly because of Peter Gabriel (“Carpet Crawlers” especially) but so much of it sounds like 70’s/80’s Television “music bed” music. I need more guitar! Phil was great but long live The Sex Pistols and the punk movement.
Dude, its not self indulgent, its made to evoke emotion and go with the light show, stop ragging on prog and keep to you 4 on the floor easy bullshit
Hey man! Would love to see a vid on Jimmy Chamberlain. Keep doing what you do! Cheers
ITS NOT 1980 steve hackett left way before ...this was 1977
Tim Alexander?
He's coming. I promise
Hey anybody that can play along with Claypool, is ausum! You may as well throw everything out the window you've ever learned. That shit does not apply anymore. Herb, puts accents and fills in places that ........well hell, I dunno. They're an entity all their own. Love some, (Herb)!
I have to agree with you, Phil and Genesis were better in the 80s. At least you could dance to it! Seems like Sussudio kicked it all off. The latter songs of Invisible Touch are also amazing, strung together like a theater production. You don’t have to do yourself any favors, lol
Now everyone has a right to an own opinion and taste of music. But it kinda makes me sad to hear you say you would rather listen to another band if you would like to listen to such music. I think Los Endos is one of the best instrumental songs I have ever heard.
Especially live, that ending will never fail to make my spine tingle and neck hairs stand up. Purely divine
Peter Gabriel left after The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (1974). Genesis released Duke in 1980, which is probably their last real "prog" album. "Los Endos" was was the last song on A Trick of the Tail (1976), but there are also bits and pieces in this medley from a few other songs, including "Dance on a Volcano" off aforementioned album. Some outstanding Phil Collins album tracks would be "Nuclear Burn" from Brand X's first album Unorthodox Behaviour (1976) or "Dancing With the Moonlit Knight" from Genesis' Selling England By the Pound (1973).
Thank you for that info. I love learning this kind of stuff!!
Nuclear burn...so good...
Do we really need a history lesson?....yes..it's true...Phil is a drummer....and one of the best.If Bill Bruford fills in for you on tour,that's really all you need to know.
@@gpk9993 Bill never filled in for Phil. He dueted with him on the Secinds Out tour
@@MrDNAcurry123 I'm afraid your the wrong one...Bill filled in for Phil on the Trick of the Tail tour..learn your history but then again,if you are too young to know that,your forgiven.I have no time to argue "facts" with neophytes.Your thinking of Chester Thompson,who did that tour,not Bill Bruford and it was the Wind and Wuthering tour.There was never any Seconds Out tour...ever...
Great a) that you dig Phil and b) that you checked out a huge Genesis stage favourite in Drum duet/Los Endos.
imho, however, this version from Wembley Stadium '87 shows off the whole thing much better:
th-cam.com/video/3pS_eQT0Uz8/w-d-xo.html
Have a great day!
1980....
I was.....
20.
Crap.
I'm old !
You prefer their pop songs? Many of those were done with drum machines...
so does a lot of Michael Jackson songs. And I love those too
@@JunkdrummerTV So do I. But this is a drum channel.
I'd like to think of it as a music channel where I happen to use drums to make that music.
Incorrect.
react to Phil Collins play In The Air Tonight live on drums in 1985
I will eventually
Can you please react to Ronnie Vannucci from the Killers doing when you were young (the one from the BBC on TH-cam)
Genesis Pop over Prog? Check your head bro lol
Nah. I just like what I like bro.
Chris Adler. Because Lamb of God (burn the priest) is the greatest band of all time....for me lol
Could you do a reaction video to George kollias from Nile? This dudes technique is just not from this world
Two of my favorite drummers! Check out this drum duo with Phil and Chester from 2004. th-cam.com/video/F0nW9F0Jrqs/w-d-xo.html
Can you please do a review of Chad Sexton with 311?
How bout some Alex Van Halen!!!
Maybe all you right-handed drummers look weird to us lefties
Hahaha. Touchè!
I play left because of Phil Collins.
Jimmy Chamberlin please
The Wembley Stadium 1987 version is much better. Of course, with 80,000 fans it's much better than 10,000-15,000.
'POP' Genesis??? Noooooooooo!!! :-)
You should check out the album this track came from: 'Trick Of The Tail'. It's his drumming which makes that album. Seriously.
Please don't be put off by this live version.
Phil took some lessons : not 100%self taught
the wembley 1987 version of this is better i think