Deep Intel on the F-22 Raptor
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Hey Mooch, big fan of your videos :)
Have you every considered making a video about proficiency of fighter pilots from other countries with whom we train compared to US pilots? Either from your experience or air force guys.. A good friend of mine is an air force pilot and he's told me that as much as it hurts to admit, German and Israeli pilots outclass our guys every time. Might be a good idea for a video!
Anyways love what you're doing, keep 'em coming!
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@@OGMaverickGaming: My condolences, mate. God bless. 🙏
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Excellent video ! It would be really awesome😊
I love how this guy says he's a bad pilot but obviously knows his shit when discussing weapons employment in the Air to Air role. Seems like his humility and great attitude is also a big asset.
Did he say he went straight from trainers to the 22?! Which is obviously single-seat lol...those simulators must be incredible these days!
Definitely a "Professional!" Literally "the Right Stuff!"
Probably like anything else..when you know enough about your specialty...you realize just how much you DON'T know. So he is so knowledgeable about his job and his own capabilities, that he realizes that others may actually be better than he is, despite likely being a solid pilot himself.
Humility is what makes great pilots. I hope I one day can be a great pilot.
Maybe that mysterious SCAR incident taught him a little humility and modesty, and he has held onto that lesson ever since?
"Much of the air war is won at the mission planning table". Truth! Great interview with nice background info. BZ Mooch!
As an infantryman, this absolutely holds true on the ground as well.
True about planning, but I can't help but think of a Mike Tyson quote, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
Planning is most useful with well-trained pilots utilizing superior battlefield equipment.
Shout-out to the furniture makers providing the table so that the mission planners aren't planning on the floor or in the dirt.
Long may they fly!
He forgot lost at the lack of will , integrity and logistics
Andrew "Scar" Van Timmeren is a well rounded, top notch fighter pilot. Towards the end, Andrew talks about the balloon shoot down and his appreciation for the maintenance guys and weapons guys reveals his great character. Maintenance guys always appreciate the respect they get from pilots (I know cause I was both).
Agreed! I think it’s a good sign of good leader to recognize that everyone involved has an important role. Everyone from the janitor stocking the toilet paper so you don’t have an itchy ass during your mission, to mission command. What’s the most important component on a Ferrari? The engine?… doesn’t do you any good if the nut holding the steering wheel on isn’t a part of the equation.
I just saw the F-22 Raptor Demo team for the first time. The presence of the F-22 cannot be portrayed by any video I've ever seen. The sound of those engines and the insane maneuverability really is something to behold.
For sure , I’ve seen it perform as well. 💯 ⚡️ 📈
The TGM scene with the SU-57 and Rooster says "WTF was that?" My mind went to the F22. That thing is incredible.
Also... and hear me out.... Replace the F119 engines with the F135 engines.
Wow. Fantastic guest. Thanks Mooch!! Obviously you have to be at the top of your game to come right out of school and go into the F-22 community. This guy is smart, articulate, diplomatic in his choice of words, able to comprehend and explain complicated subjects coherently, and is a gregarious story-teller. I wish America fielded politicians with his traits. I wish him the best going forward. We need more like him.
Well what about McCain? BaaaaWaaaaaa! Haaaaaa!
@@JonCox-fn3hn Maybe being confined in a prison camp for a few years and getting the crap kicked out of you every time the guard felt like it, could cause long-term deterioration of my sense of humor and ability to put up with the BS in Washington. I have immense respect for that man and what he and his "cell-mates" were subjected to, but I'm not sure, with that background, he was the best choice to send to Washington to be immersed in that swamp!
Mooch, you are our window in the exotic and exciting world of the fighter crew community. Combine that with your deep domain knowledge and insightful analysis of all things Naval Aviation. And you are a fun guy to boot. Thank you so much for creating this channel. Tried to buy you a beer. You should look into adding super thanks (so we can tip you).
Dude....SAME! Well said! And a Raptor ep?! With a RAPTOR PILOT?! I'm losing my shit dude I didn't even know this was coming!! Bravo sir...Bravo! 👏👏👏👏
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Retired Chief here ... Thanks! That was a most informative interview with a very well spoken pilot. Very interesting .. always amazed at you guys zooming around faster than I can think.. :)
Im glad we have intelligent, grounded, cool calm and collective pilots like Scar within our ranks. Although our military may have its problems the individual service members are world class as usual.
Having worked at Northrop Grumman through the 80s and 90s the F-23 will always be my plane along with Northrops portion of the F-18s.
Be that as it may Scar is another example of Americas best, brightest and bravest.
They did this same thing hundreds of time over Syria, but don’t talk about it much in the open.
The ability to go Mach 2 alongside the excess power that allows you to accelerate in a 9g turn is just uncanny.
I can’t think of another jet that could reach Mach 2 in a combat scenario, maybe a Eurofighter.
The fact that it’s 30 year old technology is even more insane.
Thank you for the excellent Intel, Ward.
The F-4 has gone Mach 2 during combat. A neighbor of mine was a Phantom pilot in Vietnam who later transitioned to the Tomcat in the 80's
When he said it can accelerate through a 9g turn my mind was blown. Just when you thought you’ve heard it all
@@OGMaverickGaming I haven't heard of a Phantom engaging an enemy fighter in combat at Mach 2. I've read this statement before.
"Military analysts reviewed more than a hundred thousand of flight data from sorties flown by the American fighters over North Vietnam. It was found that none of these F-4s flew at Mach 1.8 and above during combat. Regardless, a few minutes were flown at Mach 1.4 while there were several hours of flight time at Mach 1.2."
@@Kevhoe A clean Viper can accelerate through a 9G turn
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 Where have you heard of a Raptor engaging an enemy at Mach 2?
SCAR was so calm cool and collected in all his explanations. It made you really understand every topic or concept he was discussing 👍🏽
I love his enthusiasm and happiness on his face just sharing his thoughts on his Raptor, like a proud daddy on his son. SCAR is so humble too. Awesome dude.
Great episode Mr. Caroll.
Grand Rapids representing!
SCAR: Somehow crashed another raptor ;)
Good one!
Sh*t Cr*p Aircraft Readiness
Wow! Easily one of my favorite deep dives to date! Great job Mooch! Scar was awesome!
13:55 Absolutely, I’ve seen this jet perform, it is incredible 💯. The reverberations the F22 causes is most definitely awesome 🤩
This guest pilot is intelligent and a great wealth of knowledge
That's probably one of the reasons why he was selected to fly the F-22!
@@davidsmith8997
USAFA don’t take no dummies.
Not sure about that. They take quite a few dummies. Not this guy of course. Just saying, military isn’t what it used to be.
"the worlds greatest distributor of MIG parts" 🤣
Yes, MIG parts scattered all over Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. Love it!
My sister did all of the interior desk systems at Tyndall Raptor hangers and got to see the F-22s debut! She commissioned a beautiful statue for the entryway at the 325th fighter wing / 43rd fighter squadron building . Awesome video as usual. Thank you so much to you and the SME
I've seen a couple of air show performances of the F-22 and was totally blown away by two things: its maneuverability, and how damn loud it is. It's a different kind of loud than the AV-8B Harrier was. That one was like sticking an ice pick in your ear, the F-22 is a "whole body" experience, like a flying earthquake. Thanks, Ward, for putting this together.
Running up the 119 engines in the early days of production in Marietta, Georgia, set off car alarms in the nearby neighborhoods.
Very well-described, thank you. I remember hearing a Harrier (more than I remember seeing it) do a vertical takeoff at Oshkosh when I was a kid. It probably remains the loudest sound I have ever heard.
That "sound of freedom" is heard frequently in Anchorage, AK. flying out of JBER. The visual show ain't bad either. Awesome plane.
@Ari GSD I vote for the F-4 Phantom. Maybe not as maneuverable as the Hornet or Tomcat, but I've seen both the T-Birds and Blue Angels show when they had Phantoms, and it was a visceral experience in both cases.
Thank you both! Been hoping for a video about the mysterious F-22 Raptor. As usual you delivered with the goods!
SCAR: Shit Canned And Ran
It's not a great guess. But this was a great guest! Thanks Ward and Andrew.
Another excellent video. SCAR is obviously still deeply involved, and I appreciate both of you doing what you’re doing.
Amazing guy telling interesting stories. It was my pleasure to listen to him.
Geez, my whole life runs at zero knots and 1g, and I struggle with success on every little thing it seems! Many thanks to Scar and all his community for everything they do!
I worked acquisition at Wright-Patt in the late 80s-early 90s, when the Raptor was fairly early in its development cycle. Different SPO but I had buds in the F-22 SPO. Yes, there will be efficiencies in production and supply chain that can lower per-unit costs - that’s true for any system. Arguably, a larger if not the largest contributor to lowering per-unit costs is how many units you are amortizing the program’s fixed costs across. All the design, engineering, config, development, plant and other costs before unit #1 is delivered are fixed. If the program total fixed costs are $1m and you build 1,000 units, you’re loading each unit with $1,000 in fixed costs. If you build just 100 units, you are loading each unit with $10,000 in fixed costs, or 10x the bill. Scar was gracious to SECDEF Gates, but I predict history will judge Gates harshly based on the preponderance of his decisions.
Unit costs in Full Rate Production would have dropped to $93.6 million last I looked. We never even touched FRP with the Raptor, which is one of the biggest crimes against the US in all of our military aviation history for the reasons you describe. People I know who worked with Gates when he was acting in his capacities with XXX and DARPA said they always had this funny feeling that he was working for the Soviets. He had a tendency to shut down programs with proven performance and early success in RDT&E, while then promoting non-starters and throwing money at them. What he did to the Raptor can be described as nothing other than treason. Multiple USAF CoSs fell on their swords and sacrificed their careers trying to save the Raptor from being killed by Gates, across 2 White Houses. China and Russia didn’t want 200 each in their back yards in permanent basing, ready to be plussed-up from the US coasts and HI.
The Chinese rubbed it in Gates’ face when he showed up in time for them to unveil the J-20. Traitors aren’t respected by either side.
@@LRRPFco52 I noticed that too. When explaining his decision to stop F-22 production he cited that there wasn’t a foreseen threat for another 20 or so years. Then, right on cue, the Chinese roll out the J-20 weeks after.
We wouldn’t need the F-15EX or have 40+ year old F-15Cs still flying if we had bought enough F-22s.
@@christianvalentin5344 F-22s would have been a money-saver compared to what we did with F-15C. We pumped billions into a rathole on broke-a** airframes that needed SLEP and aren't something I'd want my kids to be in up against J-20.
To add insult to injury, Gates then went over to Boy Scouts of America and perverted it with allowing degenerates to serve as Scout Leaders.
If I make a matrix showing Gates' actions and make columns of "Who does this benefit?", it's our enemies every time.
I would hope that history will judge Gates harshly. I consider what he did with the F-22 program to be akin to treason. I would tell him this to his face if I ever saw him. If we just had 100 to 200 more of these jets we would have been ready for just about anything. The fact that they are not allowed to sell this to anybody else and they are allowed to sell the f-35 all over the world, tells you all you need to know. They can talk about how much better the f-35 is all they want to but they can sell the f-35 to other countries but they cannot sell the Raptor because it's illegal, literally.
SCAR:
South Carolina Animal Rescue!
Damn I’m good!!!
Wow! What an interview! Truly a humble airman. This was quite the treat!
Great interview, as usual, Mooch.
I love how he says things like “this is open source” or “you can find this in public record” because there are things the Raptor can do that we keep hush-hush so that our enemies don’t know it can do. So he has to cover his bases so he doesn’t get in trouble.
I remember watching a former SR-71 giving a talk to our CAP squadron more than 20 years ago.. In the back row sat a uniformed USAF officer. When we got to the Q&A portion, I lost count of how many times the speaker had to look back at the USAF guy, who would give either nod or ar a shake of the head S to whether or not the question could be answered.
SCAR obviously doesn't want to run afoul of his security clearance.
Same energy as Habitual Linecrosser (Patriot missile operator) going "...Yeah, I can answer this one without going to jail."
Same goes for my submarine nuclear weapons officer cousin who was discharged 25 YEARS AGO! Yet still won’t give a definitive answer to what’s the yield on the warheads. And it’s not like I was I interrogating him, it was just a question in a conversation. The answer I got was, “well, they don’t need to be 15 megatons anymore because we can reliably hit something smaller than ‘a city’”.
This seems to happen in all areas of the US airforce. You’ll find that all F35’s flying still retain their lunenberg reflectors to hide their true stealth profile whenever at air shows and even while conducting patrols and intercepts on a regular basis. The same goes for the F22 when operational in these roles.
They also don’t “display” the aircraft’s true flying characteristics or capabilities in airshows for this same reasoning…
@@MikeOxlong- Wrong!
JK, just felt like saying “wrong.” lol Interesting info.
My favorite F-22 story was when an F-22 pilot pulled a Maverick on two Iranian F-4 pilots. He flew behind and under the Iranian F-4s. Checked out the load out on both aircraft. Pulled up on their left wing and called them on the international channel. He said if I was in your shoes I would just go home they turned and went home. I imagine they had to change their underwear when they landed.
For a second there I thought you were talking about an AGM-65 and I was thinking how is that even possible.
Good Lord he looked like a kid - then he spoke...Ahh this cat knows his stuff!!!!
Something about books and their covers :p
The only part where I think he misspoke is on the the idea of the high-low mix, which should have been going from F-15 + F-16 to F-22 + F-35, as those are the respective mixes.
So the USAF ended up with two high-low mixes in the end.
I always think, "I'll watch for a few minutes" and then before I know it, you are thanking your guest for coming on the show, and it is over. Great video as always.
Great interview! The F-22 is so “new” I hadn’t bothering to study up on it much. This was really informative and enjoyable.
I still think it is a shame that we have so few of these amazing aircraft, but I really appreciate SCAR putting it into the context of trade offs.
It's an order of magnitude more expensive than any other fighter and its stealth coatings are tissue paper delicate (seriously, it can be abraded off by flying through a cloud). It can do amazing things, but it's shockingly expensive and that money can be better spent pretty much literally anywhere else.
@@cptjeff1 Some of the issues have to do with the economies of scale. Things get a lot cheaper when you can buy a thousand rather than a hundred. That is especially true if you try to speed the hundred out over years without any real commitment.
I could see dropping the F-22 if we already had it’s replacement in-hand, but NGAD is at least 15 years out. Let’s hope nobody decides to start WWIII before then.
@@jakelilevjen9766 Economies of scale are a total cop-out. We're not talking about the B-2 here with like 30 units, there are nearly 200. That's not actually a small buy, and when it comes to aerospace parts of this precision and complexity, you're still talking about cnc machining each one from ungodly expensive alloys, you're not able to build some mold and cast them. Things like 3-D printing that have come about since the F-22 could have made a difference, but there is just no possible way to make this aircraft remotely viable on a cost basis. We have other defense needs and money isn't unlimited.
We need a low end spammable plane. Not F-22s or F-35s. We need the new A-6 or A-10, and we need the new F-16 that the 35 was supposed to be before it turned into a gold plater. These budget busting high end systems that you can't actually risk in combat due to their cost and inherently limited numbers are just unforced strategic blunders.
@@cptjeff1 Let me start off by saying you are correct. We do have other defense priorities, as was pointed out in the video. When we were making the decision to cut back on the number of F22s, our boys were getting blown up by IEDs while a damn blimp could have sailed over the area without much threat of being shot down. It was a reasonable decision given the situation.
Doesn’t mean it isn’t a badass war plane that we could use more of if we get into it with either of our prime adversaries. For instance, when operating in a highly contested air space, that stealth plane with a radar cross section roughly the size of a golf ball would be pretty handy for taking out long range missile systems which are bombarding civilians from behind their protective nets of anti-air missiles, or shooting down enemy aircraft who are lobbing hypersonic missiles from around 700 miles away.
We didn’t need the F22 at the time. I am hoping we never need it.
Also, regarding 3D printed parts. Some components may be able to be printed, but it is a lot fewer than people would like to believe, at least for now. One problem is the lack of faith in the resulting material properties, and the difficulty/expense in detecting flaws. By the time the part has gone through all of the necessary QC/QA, it may not be any less expensive than a CNC’ed part which has decades of data behind it. The government is very risk averse. They would (and pretty much always do) pay significantly more for a product they are sure will work than one with a chance of failing in some unexpected way.
As for economies of scale: 200 airplanes over 15 years is hardly a large buy. That is around 13 units per year. Those are not the kinds of numbers a company will invest heavily in optimized production processes in order to support. We may not be talking about moldings or castings, but statistical process control could be used to lower inspection costs rather than having to perform 100% inspection. But, all of that is a drop in the bucket. The real hitter is the NRE. The cost of all the engineering and development that went into the F22 is divided across 200 airframes rather than the 750 originally planned. So, the return on that development investment was never fully realized.
Again, I agree it was the right decision. Just would be cool to have a bunch of Raptors around. It is a damn sexy aircraft.
Thanks for a good episode Mooch and Scar, I was more surprised by what was not on the F-22 than what it could do, thinks for the info
GREAT VIDEO. One of your best Mooch
I grew up in Marquette Wartsmith and Oscoda at two Air force bases with my Dad! left when i was a young boy! Miss it! I served in the Navy on Air Craft Carriers as an AO
Great interview Mooch, many thanks to you and Scar.
What is your view on phasing out the A-10 Warthog? Have you done videos on that?
I don't think Ward has made a video, and I too hope he makes a video on his take.
LazerPig has a good video on the A-10's obsolescence and its role in the modern battlefield. I highly recommend checking it out.
@@TheCatpirate Lazerpig, unlike a lot of military commentators, has absolutely no experience with what he’s talking about. Everything he says is second or 3rdhand (if even real) and highly opinionated. His video on the T14 was a complete farce. You can’t understand how annoying it was to have people quoting parts of his video that are just simply false as fact.
To know the really Tay is a fighter jet nerd… amazing. This made my day
@@TheCatpirate
Lazer Pig is an entertainer, not a military analyst by any stretch of the imagination.
I've caught him repeating myths and nonsense to the point where I blocked the channel.
If you wanna go through life believing his take on thing's knock yourself out, but the fact is he's no more than a morning radio show host that acts like he's some kind of authority about military subjects.
@@dukecraig2402Glad somebody said it. He’s said so much BS about the a10 and he’s sorta popularized the idea that the a10 only ever uses binoculars just because it was forced in the Gulf War
Ward you always do a great job and you’re my favorite channel for anything aircraft. Keep up the good work!
Easily the best clip about the F-22 I have viewed to date. Well done 🍁
The way guest answers questions, real deal. Thanks mooch.
Brilliantly explained as usual, thanks to both of you!
Raptor pilot is a good dude! Glad he's enjoying the aircraft.
Great discussion thank you both! I hope you get to keep flying your dream jets sir.
Great interview. Thanks to both of you.
Thanks for the all info.
Thank you "Mooch!" Incredible content as the public doesn't get to experience this side of the conversation. Enthusiasts get to read a lot about the F-22 but never get to understand the complexities of the job/pilot/aircraft.
Thank you so much, Mooch and Scar!!
Great video Ward and awesome guest. Thanks SCAR.
Imagine having 300+ Raptors let alone 700+
180 is still enough to dominate.
I hope he realizes that not telling us what SCAR means will have us making up far worse versions. Better to just pull the bandaid off and take it like a man!
Totally well grounded human being
An excellent presentation. I can understand why Scar is such an accomplished pilot and excellent trainer by listening to him.
Fantastic video it is awesome to have Scar he is a fantastic, knowledgeable, interesting, and passionate guest and it was a real pleasure to listen to you both. Hope you have a fantastic day.
Yet again, another great and informative interview. Thanks.
Fantastic episode! I love the interviews with real experts. 👍
Such a great download of interesting information. Amazing!
I bet I speak for all of your viewers -- the episodes are riveting. Thanks.
Wait accelerating at 9G !!!
That is absolutely awesome
Incredibly interesting episode! Please have SCAR on again!
Ward, informative interview. Sharing among those who care. Thank you!
Excellent interview.
Thank you.
Saw the F-22 demo team perform at the Geneseo Airshow in upstate NY last year (2022).....absolutely amazing aircraft! Thrilling to watch! The team puts on an awesome show!
Very insightful interview! Upon landing after a flight, Raptor pilots would have the biggest grin on their faces. Remarkable jet flown by remarkable people.
-Ed Victory, former F-22 Raptors test team member, Edwards AFB CA.
Fantastic overview of the Raptor. Great job!
I looooooove Mooch's show! I wish there were subtitle explanations for many of the acronyms that he uses. I was Army 13b AND 13 F, so some of these aviation acronyms are unfamiliar to me.
Btw, my most loved airframe is the F-4 Phantom...
The phantom looks pretty amazing to be honest, but personally the f14 is one of my top 3 fighter designs!
I couldn't believe this was 30 minutes long. Great job and interview! very interesting. Thanks Scar and Mooch
Great Interview! Thanks Ward!
Great interview, thank you for this!
Thanks Ward, with people like yourself and SCAR, I sleep very well at nite.
Great episode. Thanks
Excellent episode.- thanks!
Job well done, Scar. That was great.
Great episode. Thanks Ward.
Sensational interview, absolute bottom of the 9th walk-off home run! Keep at it ret CDR Carroll.
Excellent deep intel episode on the F-22, Ward. Again, another fascinating look at our country's air defense capabilities.
Fascinating. Another great video.
Humble and informative, thanks guys.
Brilliant, much thanks for the enlightenment 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for recognizing the maintainers.
This jet is just amazing. Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it thoroughly.
Talk about making Us Proud to be Americans!! SCAR just made us all Smarter!!! Quality Dude
I really enjoyed this episode and hope to see SCAR on your channel again soon. Thank you!
You guys have to have one heck of a memory. Not only to learn how to fly from the beginning but moving on to your final destination and what you be assigned to fly.
I would never make it out of flying a Cesna at the local airport.
God bless all you guys that fly and on the ground protecting our country. You people are amazing.🇺🇸
Great stuff !! Never fail to entertain and educate. 👍🇺🇸
Great interview!!
Great interview. Both sides spoke well and the recording audio quality is excellent.
A most interesting video. Thank you both.
Thanks for a great episode, Mooch and Scar , I was more surprised by what is not on the F-22, thanks for the info
Great Interview!
Enjoyed the interview Ward. Keep up the great work!
Wow.. gotta love the Raptor.. ❤
Great show.. thx, Admiral..
SCAR speaks well and is highly informative. A great guest
Super episode: finally getting some real nits & grits of Raptor superiority!
Ok scar is a badass very cool and informative video as always thanks mooch!
Excellent video. Facts, inner understanding education (as much as security will allow), get the detailed feel (limited as a third party viewer) of the topic. Excellent hosting. Ward, your brains+personality came through, yet the Scar the guest was in center spotlight. He was able to talk without interference, his content gently nudged forward by you for us.
I REALLY appreciate Scar kudos for us general aviation (or .mil) ppl who have our skills with non computer assisted flight. We ARE, generally great pilots when achieving typical advanced tickets (commercial, multi-engine, instrument) flying steam gauges, non assisted flight controls and navigation. In challenging weather and other high workload environments. Many times carrying friends, family as passengers. We have to be proficient, and take the time to plan our flying. His kudos (from such a talented and skilled/experienced USAF professional) for many of us bright a thank you from our lips.
I have challenged you before related portions of your interjections on a few productions. Which is main reason why writing this note of appreciation.
Great episode !!