i don’t know about that, the whole second half of the interview was rogan interrupting Matt every 10 seconds with circular arguments. It was pretty hard to listen to.
@@lalithrockz he did though. He says everybody is naturally attracted towards different sins. Some people are born attracted to money and do immoral things to obtain it, some people are addicted to alcohol, most people are involved in polygamy and fornication. All of those sins are just as equal as homosexuality and every person living under the Christian faith has to fight theses urges.
Yeah, embrace yourselves, because maybe, just maybe, we are pretty close to some1 saying "I am identifying as a pedophile... Give me my "rights"" ;) F**ked up world for sure ;)
gay people don't choose to be gay though haha. If it was a choice, they would be able to simply reverse it. The fact that not a single "pray the gay away" case has ever worked shows its in their nature, not their decision.
God knows everything that has happened and will ever happen. Meaning he knows if you will stray from him or not. He will also send you to hell if you don't recognize him. God already knows what you will do before your born. He punishes people for things he knows you will do already.
Matt Walsh is the wrong person to ask this question. I do not believe he understands the Christian faith adequately enough to be qualified to give an official Christian response to it.
It's very easy to fall into feeling intimidated by a man that is socially Loved by the world and admired for his capacity to talk to rocks and recieve atenction Joe Rogan is Loved because he defends his agnostic point of view with a pasion.
When an evil man decides to kill an innocent man, where is the free will of the innocent? What If the innocent man wants to live, but he still gets kill? Why does he have to die for no reason? Does god values one’s person free will over another?
@lllllll what If the man wanted to live, that’s the question. What if he wanted to keep being their for his family? Why does god chooses the free will of the evil person to commit an evil deed. It seems like you didn’t understand the question
I'm not a huge Rogan fan, but this is exactly why people like him. He is asking the REAL questions without looking for a specific answer. It allows a real discussion and very productive conversations.
@@HaggisMuncher-69-420 an all knowing entity already knows a person's character, so what do you mean "test character". God can do anything he should be able to prevent things like people being gay, if it's considered a sin. But he doesn't
@@MikeJoseph-sb5mf but why would he create you in the first place if he will control your actions? You aren't useful to him anyhow. Life is a test, you have options and you decide which road you will take simple like that.
@@monicaisreallycool3904 all pronoun makers are delsional and insane. Due to the reason they live in a first world country they don't have actual hard problems so they just come up with stupid things and argue with each other
@@cadmusmusicthe heart is deceitful and wicked. All it wants is to sin. Gay is lust. You can’t have children with gay sex. So you’d be having pointless sex.
@@cadmusmusicThe heart of man is wicked and deceitful in that it is selfish and desires all that brings it pleasure. It will gladly step upon others to ensure its well being. If you deny this, please tell me whether morals are subjective or objective. Obviously your sarcasm indicates you are capabale of critical thinking so please demonstrate your critical thinking once again for me.
Yeah so Christian’s love for thy neighbors and thyself is therefore deceitful and wicked? Yeah some of these passages are dubious and contentious at best, outright bullshit many times.
Is a Heterosexuality a Choice❓❓ Did you wake up and go I have chosen to be Heterosexual today❓❓ -- A person can choose to get married or to stay single. They can choose the person they’re in a relationship with. They can choose who to or not to sleep with. - However, the very core element, which gender are you attracted to, that is not a choice.
Resisting a sin is hard, you can want to have sex with a lot of women but you have to resist and follow gods word… same with gay people they need to follow gods word
@@christiangallego679 do you eat shellfish? Wear different fabrics together? Do you take your kid to the elders and have them stone your kid to death when he or she doesn't listen? If your answers is yes, yes, and no then your not following gods word now are you.
@KingofTheCrows Dude...the fuck are you talking about? It's been...YEARS since they tallied the dislikes. And this is what every short video on a topic like this does. Matt Walsh more than anyone...other than the pre-pubescent Bem Shapiro.
"God didn't kill that little girl.. Fate didn't butcher her.. Destiny didn't feed her to those dogs.. If God saw what any of us did that night, He sure didn't seem to mind. From then on I knew.. God doesn't make the world this way, We do.." -Rorschach
@@sharkythedev oh stfu you unintelligent naive simpleton. God and heaven are delusions created by a chemical being released in your brain when it believes you are near death as a mechanism to calm you as you die.
@@sharkythedev yes that's the basis for religion. Living doesn't actually make sense. Nothing objectively matters, so may as well believe in a reason that U can't understand rather than no reason at all.
@@sharkythedev god is supposedly outside of time, so even with free will, he still knows your outcome in life. He could choose to change everyone’s life for the better, but he doesn’t. Worst part is, most people are just a product of their surroundings. Some people are born into Muslim countries and brainwashed into a different way of thinking, and you might think they deserve hell for no other reason than them being unlucky enough to be born into a country that has the wrong set of beliefs. You think a merciful being would punish you for an eternity? For finite crimes that don’t even directly hurt this all powerful being? I mean, c’mon man, do you not see how it’s just a scare tactic? It also makes it easier to cope with the loss of a loved one, to think that they’re up in paradise somewhere. It’s a nice thought, but I’m content with oblivion. I don’t wish to live any longer than this body can support. Remember what it was like before you were born? You don’t, it’s just dark, silent, and as peaceful as it will ever be. Imagine creating something sentient, just to punish it forever, for doing something you hardwired it to do. Gods were alright back when we didn’t understand the water cycle, or how lightning struck, but today it’s kind of stupid to not think for yourself. Cause the more questions you ask, the less sense it makes, you need to really think for yourself. If any religion had any more proof than another, there wouldn’t be hundreds of them. Crazy how just about every civilization has come up with their own version of a god. Just goes to show how easy it was to persuade people when you know something they don’t, rather when you make up something they weren’t able to refute with logic.
As a former lesbian and now Christian, I can tell you that soooo many people in general have been sexually abused as children, and as adults. And due to that trauma the normal ways it plays out in behaviors and emotions is a person is more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol to numb pain, memories, etc. Often has no sex drive, or hypersexual and sleeps around and has risky sexual exploits with men and women, or you completely swear off the gender whom abused you and form emotional and romantic bonds with the same sex because it's safer. So God didn't make anyone born gay, it is through sin of others and sexual abuse that often creates those nuances in our personalities. Look how we all cope with trauma, either you know someone or are someone struggling with trauma. Only God can bring peace and healing, and although therapy and self development can help, God is the only healing balm we truly have.
I have several LGBT friends, and none of them were abused as children. Using your subjective personal experience as an argument proves absolutely nothing, as everyone has a different life experience! And no, being gay is not a choice. And this is already more than scientifically proven.
@@williancamaraporteladefran1791 This is a statistic actually so it is not subjective at all. I am samoan from california, and it is common but not permited for men to touch children in their family. Those children often become gay or bisexual, although its the same thing. What you alphabet gang people won’t accept is that it is not just the world you see but the spirtual world, demons that keep gays and sexually immoral people in bondage and confusion of who they are.
Blame the devil when God is the one who lets the devil do everything he does. If the devil was the cause of every bad thing then why would God let the devil continue to cause bad things. Temptation doesn't have to be a part of free will, and God already knows how you will respond to a test so why would he allow the devil to temp and test you?
@Phosphur he already answered the question. free will. god gave all his creations free will including the devil. the devil wasnt always the devil he chose to be that way
@@zawrldo2335He did give us free will. But is who you are sexuality attracted to a choice? Let’s say someone offered me 1 MILLION dollars to get a boner from gay porn. I would love to get the money, but I wouldn’t be able to get a boner watching naked men, no matter how much I wanted. I can’t choose and make myself get a boner for naked guys. We definitely have free will. But we don’t choose who gives us boners. Sexual orientation is not a choice, it can’t be a choice.
@@zawrldo2335He did give us free will. It’s a choice to act on it. But why does God make some men be sexually attracted to other men. Let’s say someone offered me 1 MILLION dollars to get a boner from gay porn. As much as I would want to win the money, it would be impossible for me to decide to get a boner watching naked men. We don’t decide who gives us a boned. We can only decide, wether to act on it. So if it’s a sin, why does God allow certain men to be sexually attracted of other men?
actually it's the stoned look on his face he smokes a lot of weed, and his show is no different then what us stoners did on a easy night back in the 80's. we got high and had Philosophical conversations.
So god is not allmighty? If he can't control free will, is he really above us? Why could he create everything and by that the free will, if he can't control that single thing? Religion falls apart the moment you surpass 14th century brainpower.
Free will only exists in those who take it though, most people are drones who don't take advantage of free will, think for themselves, and do what they actually want with life, sexual deviance aside; I'll take my hate now 🤷♂️
Biological drive doesn't equate to what you morally ought to be doing. And its not like the Bible hasn't given straight people their own set of gudelines as well.
Exactly. And by joes logic pedos have a biological drive made by God. Joe is on the edge of a slippery slope with the way he said what he did because people could use his logic to defend their actions being a pedo which is sooo wrong and disgusting.
i love how you act like he had an actual argument. all he does is repeat the same weak and worn out talking point. that “man” is a pathetic dimwit grifter who just pedals dogsh*t to absolute degenerate bigots like yourself.
He didn't make them gay, just like he didn't make murderers. He gives people their choices to make on their own and not everyone makes the right ones. And everyone wants to talk about god does this or that, but leaves out the other part of the conversation. The devil absolutely wants you to be gay and blasphemous in any way possible and will certainly influence you down paths of self destruction. It's your god given right to make your own choices ultimately regardless of influences.
So humans can understand that life isn't solely about having children. It's about developing our love. It isn't about which sex you are attracted to, but about the sincerity of the love between partners.
They cut off his response to the question. If a question is given then the answer should be included. Not cut off to look like he won some conversational debate
yea because Matt absolutely destroys the argument after. He makes the argument that everyone struggles to fight their sins, but just because all people sin doesnt mean we should embrace some sins
@@tooeasylol first of all relax it’s a debate nobody is getting DESTROYED that’s some cringe shit. Second that argument still doesn’t work because being gay isn’t like other sins the way you feel like you wanna steal something isn’t the same desire you have to fuck a women. Stop being a cringe Christian and just let people be them
@@peewee130946 Nobody is arguing that people shouldnt have freedom to commit sins, but the argument is simply that if you believe in religon, you dont have to believe that everything that feels good was made by God to be abused and indulged in. 1 of the 7 deadly sins is glutony, much of the same reads across.
@@taylorhilliard7764and you better make up your mind. The audacity to ask God to change His mind could make you in danger. Imagine, what if He changes His mind and chooses to not wake you up tomorrow? How about that?
@@taylorhilliard7764 the ultimate relationship has to be with God. Earthly Christian marriages are fine and are a sign of Gods love for us and help us grow. Being in friendship groups and communion with God also does that. Not all fulfilment comes from earthly romantic relationships
My grandpa would say that God would create people who were "different" to test our kindness and love for our neighbors. I'm not Christian but those words have stuck with me for years. Edit: it seems a lot of you interpreted this in different ways. I'm not saying a God exists, like I said I'm not Christian. And "different" can apply to many things, not just sexual orientation. I'm also not saying that person A was to test the virtues of person B but to perhaps test society as a collective. Basically, my grandfather's message to us kids was to embrace our differences because in the end its not how much money you made or what career you had that matters, its how you treated others and how others remember you. We are all different from each other so embracing those differences (as long as it doesn't physically harm others) is important. Treat each other kindly.
im not religious either but this is actually a good point! that almost seems like the ultimate test tbh. to see how kind and understanding you are to people who are still normal good people who aren't hurting anyone, but are just different in some way. good words from your grandpa!
Well I believe God made man perfect. But with the ability to choose. Just because you have an inclination towards doing what is a sin in Gods eyes doesn’t mean you have to do it. I’m fact you shouldn’t we should heed the word of God almighty for the fact that one he loves us and if he is telling us to do something it’s for our sake and two because he is all powerful and he has punishment for the ones who don’t consider his word in the way they choose to live. The fact he makes you a way is true but he didn’t make us evil he says this in genesis “and God said his creation was very good”
@@jaypettius8661 When someone can actually show what God, if he exists, actually thinks is a sin, then I'll listen. Since the only source that has been provided is a collection of books that isn't remotely internally consistent, it can easily be ignored. Besides, if God truly cared about what actions we shouldn't do, he should probably let us know in a way other than that which is mostly believed by those that are fooled the easiest and are the least educated.
It's like stunning me how the ppl in USA process things in their brains... Still nowadays😂 God instilling "lust"... The "devil" trying em with sins😂😅 like...wtf we on the brink of aa LITERAL WORLD WAR III🙈👀
We aren’t talking about the world , we’re talking about the individual. I don’t think gay people made themselves gay, why would anyone wiling make life harder for themselves.
@@galvanizedgnome Joe's a reasonably perceptive guy, and in entertainment. He's not gay, but he almost certainly knows enough gay people to understand how shortsighted and idiotic the 'Christian's' position is.
@@Hello-xb8re So God made men who are attracted to other men. Their attraction to other men harms no one. And for arbitrary reasons your God has declared that attraction a sin. You're welcome to explain the divine intelligence of it all, but I'm afraid the default position will be that it's idiotic.
“He made you in his image, but we remade you in ours…” - Nefarious Nobody is born gay, they choose, and thats when you start straying into the enemies camp
It has to be. You cannot choose to be gay lmao. Just like how you cannot tell a straight man not to be attracted to a women. It has to do with your brain and your brains natural born activity.
@@RespectedSpice People frankly do not understand that no straight man is suddenly deciding to start liking dick lol. People are born with their sexuality they don't just decide it. But sadly people are so blinded by a mistranslation in a 2,000 year old book rather than listening to science that the world is divided in every category. There will always be 1 person who disagrees with your opinion no matter what it is.
Lmao just delusions to justify the Bible being inaccurate…..it’s a sin to be gay and you’ll burn in hell for eternity even tho it’s not a choice to be gay it’s a instinct you are born with shows how silly the Bible actually is
I love the people who say Joe Rogan hates gay people because if you listen to this with Matt Walsh he went into about a 40-minute discussion and didn't let up for one second about gay marriage
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed." (James 1:13-14 KJV)
You can be attracted without acting upon desire. You can want to drink alcohol without drinking alcohol. Each person is tested according to their level of faith.
The James bible was commissioned by king James, a gay icon who told the church “Christ had John and I have George” (his boyfriend and the Duke of Buckingham) check your sources 😅
@@cosplash9754 I may be insane, but i'm not delusional. Its a choice and thats okay. Like peppermint ice cream with gravy smotthered on top. Not for everyone but a good mix of shits and tickles 😊
Being gay is definitely a decision. There's literally no gene you're born with that makes you gay, it's like saying you're born obese. And religion and your fake little book you worship that 10 HUMANS wrote is all BS. You're brainwashed by religion so you're all mindless easy to control sheep sitting here arguing over a fake deity. Lol.
We are part of universal creation and evolution is part of it. It goes hand in hand. Being gay is not morally wrong, it’s a deviation from the natural baseline (to procreate) This is like a discussion at kids level.
There is no free will if u believe in an all-powerful God. I thought God knows everything past present and future. He already knows who’s going to be saved or not already. OR, if there is Free will, then You HAVE to admit that GOD does NOT know everything, therefore he is not All powerful.
@@mitchellwhite3054 False. God knows past, present, and future. But the future isn't set in stone. God knows all the different possibilities, but we use free will to pick which possibility occurs. It's not one or the other. Free will and an all powerful God can both exist. Also all knowing and all powerful are not the same thing.
@@lightning10053 god knowing all possibilities isn't special. I know most possibilities of an action. God knows the future. This is known. The Christian God is flawed. Either he is not all good or all powerful since bad things happen on his watch. I believe in God but I think the bible has been too corrupted by man. Something is off
@@thog2915 The answer can only be two things... either god is a dick giving someone an attraction then saying not to follow that attraction or as it doesn't hurt anyone, same sex relationships are not a sin and god really doesn't care...
@@thog2915 bro there are things you do because u want and there are things u do because u have to, it’s impossible to make yourself stop breathing till you die ,that’s inherent,same way u are attracted to what you like, something goes off in your head that makes u do something ,u can’t choose it bruh
@@MeAndMoeMoe Ahh the lie that gay people exists because of trauma or medical conditions has been debunked time and time aggain. If it was hormonal issues people would randomly turn gay when they have certain medical conditions and most gay people have perfectly normal upbringing. Being gay is as hard wired in to gay peoples brains as being straight is hard wired in to straight people.
You guys should definitely watch the whole conversation. Both sides brought up great points that made you think. Most importantly tho they never raised their voices or got angry at each other, I wish we could see more polite discussions like it
the only reason why it didn't blow up is because Joe rogan is a great podcast host and he has massive amounts of influence that could crush Matt Walsh into oblivion. sincerely doubt Matt Walsh would make any great points about any of it when he couldn't even counter argue something as simple as this. i agree with Joe's point any way but still.
I dont even need to watch the whole episode. The whole thing is stupid off the start. The way it works is that people are attracted to secret wierd fetishes. Just flip the context to why psychopath are attracted to killing, decieving, lying. Its all the same answers everytime. They have all chosen their sinful lives. And most of them are sickos. Arguing with a non-believers is so hard because its so dumb.
What about people that are attracted to children? As a Christian I don’t think being gay is a sin. However, saying that if something is fundamental to your attraction should be ok just doesn’t hold up as a standard
Sin is what makes someone gay. It's a mental disorder or a chemical imbalance. Just like kids getting cancer. We were made perfect in his image, and then we committed, which has corrupted everything.
@@jrfw96 it’s not the only the gay people who’ve got a ‘forbidden fruit’ every one has a few it’s just easier to see others problems and say I’m better than them but in reality you could be much worse than them or you could be better than them but I’ll never know if you are
Galatians 5:13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh ; rather, serve one another humbly in love.
Man exactly. Also after thinking about this video for a bit. Being gay isn’t the sin. It’s the actions of being gay that’s the sin. So sure let’s say that God created people who are gay. That doesn’t mean he’s setting that person up to fail. They still have a choice to indulge in their sexuality.
@@thelemonboy6233 If god gave them attractiveness to the same sex. Then it shouldn't be a sin. Because if god gave men attractiveness to heterosexual people and is ok for them having sex than god is a hypocrite. And nobody should have sex, if sex is a sin. Btw god isn't real we don't live in de middle ages grow up. If you die your dead.
@@thelemonboy6233 so you’re saying if someone is attracted to the same sex, they should somehow try to reverse that lust and pretend they’re not gay? Cause you can’t just reprogram your mind to be attracted to something else.
this is how I know most of you guys haven’t studied the Bible thoroughly for yourself with no bias and just go by what your pastor says, like just literally read the first part of the Bible and use your common sense, then you will have answer
oftentimes, he'll play devil's advocate just to see if the person he's speaking to is educated in the topic or not. comparing this to when he met and communicated with adam from adam ruins everything is interesting
Fair but he is a freemason a satanist n hides better than most of em, being gay is just one out of many of lucifers plans to tear at gods image n tear our morals n soul away from god, I don't care to change minds we all will find out the truth one day
The simple answer is that God doesn’t make people gay. That’s the equivalent of saying God makes people murders or adulterers. People make their own decisions and over time their views and feelings might change. Even still, it is one thing to struggle and have sinful desires, as we all do, it is a total other thing to act out those desires and have pride in them. Also, this is isn’t the full clip, and the other man actually gives a pretty good answer
God didn’t create homosexuality. He gave us all free will. The Devil and his fallen angels manipulated that free will and introduced homosexuality to humanity amongst other things. The more the world turns away from God the stronger Satans hold gets. God tried to eradicate it, “Sodom and Gamorrah”. All praise be to God, the father and the almighty ❤
The answer I was given by a pastor was "I believe that God gives us all challenges that we must overcome. Each of us must earn our place in his hallowed halls, as each of us must suffer through existence to prove ourselves worthy of eternal bliss." I countered with "But he already knows all things that have and will ever happen, so why even bother at that point?" He responded with "It's not my place to speak for him. I don't know exactly why the world works as it does, all I can do is have faith in him and live my life righteously and faithfully." One of the coolest dudes I ever met, btw. Always supportive of other people's choices and aspirations whether they were correct according to his religion or not. He was one of the few people I would consider a true Christian, instead of the vindictive asshats that are more prevalent.
I believe we’re not meant to understand every little thing but I also think even though he knows we don’t, we need to experience it ourselves in order to understand why we are in hell or heaven.
I’m sorry that your idea of a true Christian is someone accepting people no matter what but that’s not it. A true Christian will let someone know when their sin is going to lead them to hell. And if a Christian is supporting gay people or whatever then they aren’t doing the right thing god wants us to spread his truth not accept the deceit from satan
And being a Christian is not meant to be an easy task people are going to say we are “hate crime” or whatever and I guarantee I will be blasted on here for what I have said
@@loganvittitoe3341 Love thy neighbor, friend. I never said he didn't let people know he disagreed with their choices. I only said he was supportive of each person's decisions. He believed it was up to each individual to make their own mistakes and learn/better themselves.
@Logan Vittitoe It's not up to the Christian people to judge anybody. Judgement is the lord's domain. All we can do is do our best to educate. Accept people for what and who they are so long as they aren't hurting anyone, and leave all the rest for the creator.
Are we just gonna ignore “free will” EDIT: I noticed a lot of you took the the concept of free will and indoctrinated into “gays don’t choose who they date “. Free will is a thing . You choose everything you do from what you wear, to what you eat , to who you’re attracted to . Just bc there’s incentive to do or not do something doesn’t mean you can’t choose to do whatever you want . And let’s use some basic critical thinking skills to interpret just bc free will comes from a god doesn’t mean it’s a deity itself , Free will can be physically blocked when certain conditions are met. Say you get incarcerated and you’re physically in jail . You can still choose everything that you do up to those limitations like should you sit or stand eat or sleep workout or pout rehabilitate or continue to be destructive when your free.
Matt Walsh is the last person of whom you should ask any questions of God and the nature of sin in man. The dude literally admitted to thinking someone will go to heaven if they love others and have lived a good life, while NOT accepting Christ as their savior. Some jacked up Catholic legalism there.
While this makes the most sense in regards to Christianity. It makes zero sense in our actual world. If it wanted us to be a certain way wouldn't it ensure that we know it's law comes from God itself..not just thousand year old texts from power hungry humans.... God would have us all on our knees and say this is how you'll be. You can do whatever but if you break my rules you are damned to hell. But the rules of what's allowed and not allowed has changed just within Christianity itself, let alone the fact theres 200 + religions. We have free will and a conscience. They go hand in hand. We do right or wrong and reward or punish ourselves for it. And some ppl reward themselves for doing the wrong things and it spirals them towards a negative life, or in other words, hell... Where when you do right and reward yourself for the good and right you do you'll be in heaven..... And if you're twisted enough mentally you can be in hell for doing right and be in heaven for doing wrong....
@@HashiramaSells man you just wasted a whole textbook worth of writing 🤣 at this point write some funny stuff like, "Stacey, you ever had a man wear a condom? Contraceptives are a sin... SINNER!" It's way more fun getting it across that way lol
@@HashiramaSells i would say that God did make sure we know the laws. That is what our conscience is. Our conscience points us to what’s right and what’s wrong regardless of how we feel. It is something outside of our own moral judgement that points us to God’s law. It says in Romans 2:15 that when those who didn’t have the written law follow the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
The fundamental flaw in rogan's argument is the assumption that what God allows, is willed with the intent that people should pursue it. And that's where it falls apart. I think that in this argument, what is not considered is the possibility that God also allows evil, so then by default he wills it, but does he encourage it then?
Definitely not intelligent, you got one guy believing there's a beard floating diety in the sky who knows everything, created the world and the heavens in 7 days, THEN said let there be light, mf created everything in the dark apparently then turned on the lights, and I'm not talking about dark like when the lights are out, im talking a darkness that has no light what so ever, light wasn't even a thing when he was apparently doing this shit, faith is good blind faith is bad and God is just blind faith
@@Aphorim The only thing in the bible that references homosexuality, is one line stating not to lay with(grape) your male slaves. It's about consent in the bible not about the act. there has been a a lot added to and inferred into christianity that wasn't in any of the books that were left in the canon bible. Not to mention is goes along stating that yhwh isn't the only god just the god you should follow. The bible was a way to control a populace and get people to follow moral guidelines to keep people orderly.
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Okay he had a bad example, but I would say how is it a sin if it’s virtually unavoidable? God, not allowing somebody to love another is really only practiced by catholic priests and look how well that ends up 🙃
I don’t believe this but this would be my answer. “Any sin cast upon an individual is a test of will and faith towards the path and whether you are deserving of a place in paradise”.
His logic is completely out the window though. "If God made thing why thing bad" God created Lucifer, we're all pretty clear on the free will of angels and how that played a role there. Just because you're homosexual doesn't mean commit sodomy. Maybe God would prefer these people become Monks and Nuns as I would too. I'd rather them live lives for God than in their individual sin as I would prefer for all people
@@John777-3 because this guest is using religion and god to judge others... thats why hes asking thjs specific question to this person... so they themselves look introspectively
@@John777-3the question isn’t meant to pose the origin of sin. The question is a little more subtle, but also a little darker. The question Joe is asking is posing the idea of god not existing at all. Why would “God” do anything outside his bounds of rules, if they weren’t meant to be broken in the first place. Of course every single religion in the world has an answer to this, but it is in essence Joe’s question.
Joe made it very clear in his question, he is not speaking on free will. You have the freedom of will to take action, sure. You do not have the freedom of will to determine what causes physical attraction to another.
@@jdparker2007 There is nothing convenient about it. Joe was very clear in his question, he asked why would God create people where "their fundamental attractiveness" is to the same sex. If your answer to that is "God gave humankind free will, so anyone who is gay is only that way because they choose to be." Then you're not answering his question, and that's OK, because do any of us really know?
@Nathaniel I'm not doubting the validity of his questioning and it's certainly in line with one of the hundreds of questions people ask about why God does this or why he created humans in such a way regarding whatever their issue is at that moment. Especially Atheist. However, the answer is simply human will, and the option to know what is right and wrong and be free to choose between the 2. People are attracted to who they are attracted to, it's not my place to pass judgment on that, or try to understand why. Unless it's a pedophile, they can fucking burn.
@@jdparker2007 Couldn't agree more with you. Unfortunately, as we see in the times we're living in today - what we know/believe to be right and wrong is not simply being challenged but outright changed/corrupted. Unless there is some nexus event in the near future, there is nothing to stop or reverse course on what is happening. Just as it was normal to marry out children and inbreed and all those things we consider heinous today - our beliefs will be looked upon in similar fashion, and similarly the answer for why God does/allows x, y, and z will be answered differently than you answer today.
That's like saying "Why would God give someone the lust for murder?" Do you think God condones murder? No, He does not! God does not make people one way or another... people make their choices. free will
I can respond on behafe of every christian .. God gave us free will and sometimes it will lead you to hell instead of paradise.. that why we got the Bible , it's instruction so you dont piss off God so much that he will punish you with hell , and yes sodomy is punishable .. He did it before to sodom
the christian response to this is that all humans were born with an inherent sin (as a result of adam and eve eating the forbidden fruit and receiving the knowledge of good and evil) and while that sin varies from person to person, some people's inherent sin is homosexuality or the desire to be another sex that is different than what they were born with. not attempting arguments just stating what the belief behind born homosexuality is to those of the christian faith
That part. "Why would God give them that lust." So incredibly ignorant it's almost laughable when people speak on subjects with no research and all emotion Being without God, Free Will, Generational Curses, Demonic Influence, all these factors exist.
@@masonloup8934 I’m mean, when you want a relationship with someone do you lie and manipulate them to get what you. Or do you want them to choose you genuinely not because they’re forced are forced to but because they actually care about you over all the other “nonsense” things in this world. Because how else would you know that they actually care about you. He gave a you choice, a choice to pick him on your own. Your own will, doesn’t mean that you can run from consequences.
@@masonloup8934 So then why be punished for anything? Us having freedoms and having the option to kill someone and when you actually kill them bam the cops show up and arrest you. Just complete nonsense
@@KevinOrtiz-ul9th i believe this is the biggest lie ever and this lie serve some agenda to normalize it and slide it to the society and destroy the families
@@basilalsulami8411 Gay people don't have a problem with themselves, people like you and a supposed ''god'' does. Don't try and weasle yourself out of this.
Joe really fell on his own sword here and they cut out Matt Walsh’s response. The short answer is that god tests people with temptation. Same with alcoholism, greed, pedophilia, violence. God tempts people with the desire to sin and the explosion of homosexuality is a failure where all gay people are not allowed into the kingdom of heaven. Personally I’m not religious and don’t care if someone is gay but Joes logic here was heading off a cliff lol
@@DanBlabbers God doesn't tempt anyone with such atrocities. satan does. It's up to us to turn away from those temptations. God only allows it because of free will, but with that comes consequences. It's all a test. Mankind is responsible for their own actions. This is why God doesn't just kill all gay people, pedophiles, murderers, abortionist, etc. He leaves it up to us (another test) to properly deal with these situations. We all fall short and no one is perfect.
@@DanBlabbers that’s not a good answer though because gay relationships include consent, and there are no consequences to it unlike your other examples
@@darkazurr9891 it's so hard tho i am very passionate and am 28. I try not to let others influence my emotions but I am not that disciplined yet. More focus, more practice, then application.
Joe’s goal is getting an answer/ understanding his way of thinking and reasoning for his statements. He’s not trying to maintain a relationship or even “prove” his point. Why would you want to prove someone wrong, especially if they aren’t in your daily life? Why waste that energy? There’s no point in getting emotional over another persons beliefs/ opinions. Especially if they aren’t your close friend or someone you care about. “Anger is punishment we give ourselves for others mistakes”. It’s like why get mad at him? Do his beliefs align with mine? No, but what is their intent? I’m sure if you asked him if he wants the best for being itself and for everyone to be happy, he would say yes (like most would, if they truly asked themselves what they want for the world). Now does that mean everyone has good intent? No! However in today day and age we are so quick to throw stones at each other. “You don’t think this way therefore you must believe x” which is simply untrue, life is far more nuanced and black and white than we’d like to admit. When engaging in a conversation like this where you feel emotions take over, ask yourself what do I want out of this? How does their opinion impact me? (it doesn’t) and how can I use this new found knowledge to help guide me in the future and in future instances. What is your intent?😎 Cheers!☀️
@@fiachoconnor it’s a great conversation since he’s not arguing he’s just talking. Rogan does a great job and Walsh never escalated what he was being asked about.
You blame the devil, but isn’t he the direct son of God and he is an Angel and is he not the one that punishes the sinners? Why do we blame him if we are created in Gods image? So many questions so little time.
We are made in God's image, but because we are not gods we are not perfect. The devil was created by God but again they are not perfect. They have their own free choice, like we do. So you can't say God is the problem.
But a lot the gays still believe in God tho and Christianity so that doesn't make sense. They don't worship the devil, they sin and repent like is said in the Bible. So does it still make it wrong even tho they still seek God ? I'm just saying, I have friends that are of that nature and support them but they believe in God and still seek and repent.
@@jpelonrun6692most of those questions are literally misunderstandings that can be solved by opening the first page of the bible,but really the devil got lost in pride and sought to destroy everything that god holds dear(us) and hes doing that by making everything bad that’s happening in the world be Gods fault yet we are sinners because the devil brought temptation and sin into the world,and Jesus took it out that why we can still make it to heaven after we have sinned,we just need to believe in Jesus dying for our sins and acknowledging that we are sinners who are saved,God loves you and the devil despises everything about you,remember tht always😊
Is socially learned behavior. God doesn’t make a murderer a murderer, you learn to sin as you go in life. God gave us free will so we decide what to do with the gift of life.
Here is the simple explanation: God in fact does not instill homosexuality in people, that is what the devil does (not Lucifer, but a different “devil”). But here’s what is so interesting about God (Christian and Jewish) he gives us FREE WILL! Because of this we all get the choice to live in God’s name or worship evil and the devil/the adversary. That is the best way of putting it, hope this answers anyone’s questions 😁
😂😂😂 what a degenerative utterance. Free will!? You likely recognize that’s such an illogical mythical thing. It’s a disservice to you to fall for that shit.
It’s not free will if you are born that way lmao. Imagine if being straight was against gods will… you’d legit just say “ but but I was born that way” then imagine having to have gay sex to appease a “man in the sky” all while having a bunch of people keep telling you your a sinner and going to hell for how you feel from birth 😂 joke of a concept to believe in
So if you wanted to, you could choose to be gay? I'm pretty sure I didn't choose to be attracted to both genders when I was a toddler lmao. If you're able to choose to be gay then that means your were gay in the first place l. No matter how hard gay people try it is impossible to start only being attracted to the opposite sexz that's why gay camps and therapy never actually worked.
Everyone is different and everyone gets a different test specifically designed for him , that’s how great this phase of our existence is , and how fair Gos is
Totally. For some people the test is homosexuality which they're somehow supposed to "cure" I guess? Others maybe get terminal cancer when they're 8. And I guess your test was being able to spell a 3 letter word that was literally the subject of this video? (Sorry, you failed and are going to hell now) All totally fair.
Ex-bisexual here who was in a 7 year relationship with a woman. Homosexuality of any kind is a choice. When I was a kid, I often found myself staring at the women modeling for bras in the store. It was so instinctual, I couldnt take my eyes off it. Maybe it was a desire to look like them, or to feel them, or idk. Whatever it was, even as a child, I knew it was wrong. I FELT that it was wrong yet I didnt stop myself, it felt good. As I got older and was able to make my own choices, I wasnt in a good place mentally. I slept around, and increasingly made it worse every time and Id try things that maybe Id like until I met my ex. I genuinely felt true love for her, but the love felt...off. It was love, but not the right type of love. I convinced myself that I was just born that way, and to accept myself. However, we broke up and I had a lot of time to think. I married my now husband and found God, but I still struggled with finding women attractive. I did some deep-diving into myself and thought "was this really how I was born? Or was I tempted from the beginning?" As it turns out, I was. Going back to my childhood, yknow I said that it felt wrong when I looked at the bras? Like I wasnt supposed to? Albeit it was a BRIEF feeling, I focused on that feeling. It wasnt because Id get into trouble or Id be embarrassed like I thought it was. It was conviction. As much as I enjoyed what my eyes saw, my heart was screaming at me not to do it, not to look, to behave. I rebelled against that feeling and ended up in a sinful relationship. I was my own god, and I didnt feel that conviction. I was without the Holy Spirit. When I became Christian and actively fought the desire to look at women and fantasize about them, I became stronger and truly fought those urges away. As of today, its only once in a blue moon do I see an attractive woman, but part of the healing process has made me only stare at oddly masculine women, not feminine like I used to enjoy. I look away and pray for strength, and I no longer find that person attractive. Being gay IS a choice, and to those who say its "scientifically proven not to be", those people have decieved themselves down a rabbit hole so far down that they truly believe that you cant "pray the gay away", "its just who I am", "God made me this way". No, we are ALL born with sin, its inherited, and each sin attacks us differently. Gay is lust, and for many, lust is a powerful sin that they cant fight, just as corrupt politicians cant fight their greed, or seriel killers cant fight their wrath, and so on. Couple all that with satan and his demons constantly swarming around those who are without God in their lives, and youre pretty much done for. How can you see what your sinful flaws are when youve been blinded with so much pleasure and self-worship to where you genuinely think theres nothing wrong with you? How arrogant must you be to truly think that God would purposely implant a sin within you while hand-crafting you - therefore making it "okay" to act on it? Pride is such a powerful tranquilizer, where you wont dare bow down to anyone in favor of what pleases you most. for the sake of "This is who I am!". No, it isnt, you're a soul who is lost, blind, and as far as Satan is concerned, you're property destined to suffer with him in Hell. The worst part of it is, when you die and fall, you'll know that it was by your own hand. I dont consider myself bisexual anymore, I consider myself a Christian who is healing from one of the worst cases of lust. God did not make me this way, He gave me free will, and I chose that path just as I now choose THIS path. I love my husband and my eyes are only for him. Ive been healed and I still got some ways to go.
@@duartebarradas4581 Why would god make people pedos if he disapproves? Joe’s argument is fucking retarded. Just because god created something doesn’t not make it a sin 💀
@@pedroguilherme868 Why? How is it dumb? Sounds pretty solid to me. God made the heavens and the earth then made gay people along with the rest of us. So the question still stands. Why would god make gay people?
"`Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales--whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water--you are to detest.
Finally, two people that have different ideas that aren’t screaming and interrupting each other💀💀
The most quiet and civilized version of this conversation thats ever been seen to date.
i don’t know about that, the whole second half of the interview was rogan interrupting Matt every 10 seconds with circular arguments. It was pretty hard to listen to.
@@Robnoxious77matt had no answers, atleast answers that sound reasonable
@@lalithrockz he did though. He says everybody is naturally attracted towards different sins. Some people are born attracted to money and do immoral things to obtain it, some people are addicted to alcohol, most people are involved in polygamy and fornication. All of those sins are just as equal as homosexuality and every person living under the Christian faith has to fight theses urges.
Yeah, embrace yourselves, because maybe, just maybe, we are pretty close to some1 saying "I am identifying as a pedophile... Give me my "rights"" ;) F**ked up world for sure ;)
God made no one gay, he gave us free choice, read your Bible. Your heart is easily deceived.
Have you never fallen in love?
gay people don't choose to be gay though haha. If it was a choice, they would be able to simply reverse it. The fact that not a single "pray the gay away" case has ever worked shows its in their nature, not their decision.
Sure he did you don't just chose what you are attracted to and god knew these people would be gay and still created them so there is no free will
He doesn’t make one gay, but He does allow for temptation
God knows everything that has happened and will ever happen. Meaning he knows if you will stray from him or not. He will also send you to hell if you don't recognize him. God already knows what you will do before your born. He punishes people for things he knows you will do already.
Matt Walsh is the wrong person to ask this question. I do not believe he understands the Christian faith adequately enough to be qualified to give an official Christian response to it.
It's very easy to fall into feeling intimidated by a man that is socially Loved by the world and admired for his capacity to talk to rocks and recieve atenction Joe Rogan is Loved because he defends his agnostic point of view with a pasion.
Matt Walsh had the perfect opportunity to tell him that God doesn’t give them these desires. It’s free will and of the Devil but he didn’t. Sad
@@0411owenfitzbecause that's stupid. You would never be able to defend that idiocy in a real conversation.
@@roarblast7332 i could defend it with the word of God
its not idiocy but what the Bible says. Im only citing scripture@@roarblast7332
Freewill is the answer to that. That's like asking God why he made serial killers.
Lol exactly bc he’s not real.
When an evil man decides to kill an innocent man, where is the free will of the innocent? What If the innocent man wants to live, but he still gets kill? Why does he have to die for no reason? Does god values one’s person free will over another?
No one chooses to be gay you complete simp
@lllllll what If the man wanted to live, that’s the question. What if he wanted to keep being their for his family? Why does god chooses the free will of the evil person to commit an evil deed. It seems like you didn’t understand the question
@lllllll where is his free will?
I'm not a huge Rogan fan, but this is exactly why people like him. He is asking the REAL questions without looking for a specific answer. It allows a real discussion and very productive conversations.
It's a bit of a low IQ question tbh.
Why does any sin exist?
TO TEST CHARACTER AND DEVOTION TO GOD.
It's no wonder gay people are depressed.
@@HaggisMuncher-69-420 an all knowing entity already knows a person's character, so what do you mean "test character". God can do anything he should be able to prevent things like people being gay, if it's considered a sin. But he doesn't
@@MikeJoseph-sb5mf Because anyone can be a degenerate. You've obviously never experienced hardship or a test of your moral character, have you?
@@MikeJoseph-sb5mf but why would he create you in the first place if he will control your actions? You aren't useful to him anyhow. Life is a test, you have options and you decide which road you will take simple like that.
@@MS-ip6vy you must abide by rules, and if you don't you will burn for eternity... Doesn't sound like much options to me
This is why I love Joe. He’s always open minded. Regardless how he feels about a situation.
He's not open minded, he just lets people speak. He doesn't give the guy he's talking to any credence or acknowledgement of perhaps being correct.
He’s whipped back in line and controlled and all it took was one compilation from a think tank.
He’s not open minded 😂 he literally said people shouldn’t use “they/them” pronouns
@@monicaisreallycool3904 all pronoun makers are delsional and insane. Due to the reason they live in a first world country they don't have actual hard problems so they just come up with stupid things and argue with each other
Joe forgot one thing, The Devil! who is way more powerful then God.
"The heart is deceitful above all things, & desperately wicked."
True, So the love a mother gets when she first sees her born child is deceitful and wicked....good to know
@@cadmusmusicthe heart is deceitful and wicked. All it wants is to sin. Gay is lust. You can’t have children with gay sex. So you’d be having pointless sex.
@@cadmusmusicThe heart of man is wicked and deceitful in that it is selfish and desires all that brings it pleasure. It will gladly step upon others to ensure its well being. If you deny this, please tell me whether morals are subjective or objective. Obviously your sarcasm indicates you are capabale of critical thinking so please demonstrate your critical thinking once again for me.
Yeah so Christian’s love for thy neighbors and thyself is therefore deceitful and wicked? Yeah some of these passages are dubious and contentious at best, outright bullshit many times.
@@snowfrosty1 A Christians love comes from God and not our deceitful selves.
Is a Heterosexuality a Choice❓❓ Did you wake up and go I have chosen to be Heterosexual today❓❓ -- A person can choose to get married or to stay single. They can choose the person they’re in a relationship with. They can choose who to or not to sleep with. - However, the very core element, which gender are you attracted to, that is not a choice.
Exactly my nephew is gay and I knew he would be gay since he was a kid before he reached puberty.
Is pedophilia a choice? They can't choose their attraction. Must be nothing morally wrong with it.
Being sexually abused as a child isn't a choice.
Resisting a sin is hard, you can want to have sex with a lot of women but you have to resist and follow gods word… same with gay people they need to follow gods word
@@christiangallego679 do you eat shellfish? Wear different fabrics together? Do you take your kid to the elders and have them stone your kid to death when he or she doesn't listen? If your answers is yes, yes, and no then your not following gods word now are you.
Not showing Matt's response is the most cowardice thing I've seen this month
Edit: Thank you very much for wasting your time
Was thinking the same
He knows that It would take his point so fast😂
it's probably to cause outrage in the comments. notice the dislikes are disabled already. it'll be the comments before long
gods not real quit the bitching
@KingofTheCrows Dude...the fuck are you talking about? It's been...YEARS since they tallied the dislikes.
And this is what every short video on a topic like this does. Matt Walsh more than anyone...other than the pre-pubescent Bem Shapiro.
"God didn't kill that little girl.. Fate didn't butcher her.. Destiny didn't feed her to those dogs.. If God saw what any of us did that night, He sure didn't seem to mind. From then on I knew.. God doesn't make the world this way, We do.." -Rorschach
God allows free will, he just set up the basis for actions and allowed most and denied some
@@sharkythedev oh stfu you unintelligent naive simpleton. God and heaven are delusions created by a chemical being released in your brain when it believes you are near death as a mechanism to calm you as you die.
@@jasonminiken2502 If it's that way I'd rather die believing something good is after than die with no hope
@@sharkythedev yes that's the basis for religion. Living doesn't actually make sense. Nothing objectively matters, so may as well believe in a reason that U can't understand rather than no reason at all.
@@sharkythedev god is supposedly outside of time, so even with free will, he still knows your outcome in life. He could choose to change everyone’s life for the better, but he doesn’t. Worst part is, most people are just a product of their surroundings. Some people are born into Muslim countries and brainwashed into a different way of thinking, and you might think they deserve hell for no other reason than them being unlucky enough to be born into a country that has the wrong set of beliefs. You think a merciful being would punish you for an eternity? For finite crimes that don’t even directly hurt this all powerful being? I mean, c’mon man, do you not see how it’s just a scare tactic? It also makes it easier to cope with the loss of a loved one, to think that they’re up in paradise somewhere. It’s a nice thought, but I’m content with oblivion. I don’t wish to live any longer than this body can support. Remember what it was like before you were born? You don’t, it’s just dark, silent, and as peaceful as it will ever be. Imagine creating something sentient, just to punish it forever, for doing something you hardwired it to do. Gods were alright back when we didn’t understand the water cycle, or how lightning struck, but today it’s kind of stupid to not think for yourself. Cause the more questions you ask, the less sense it makes, you need to really think for yourself. If any religion had any more proof than another, there wouldn’t be hundreds of them. Crazy how just about every civilization has come up with their own version of a god. Just goes to show how easy it was to persuade people when you know something they don’t, rather when you make up something they weren’t able to refute with logic.
As a former lesbian and now Christian, I can tell you that soooo many people in general have been sexually abused as children, and as adults. And due to that trauma the normal ways it plays out in behaviors and emotions is a person is more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol to numb pain, memories, etc. Often has no sex drive, or hypersexual and sleeps around and has risky sexual exploits with men and women, or you completely swear off the gender whom abused you and form emotional and romantic bonds with the same sex because it's safer. So God didn't make anyone born gay, it is through sin of others and sexual abuse that often creates those nuances in our personalities. Look how we all cope with trauma, either you know someone or are someone struggling with trauma.
Only God can bring peace and healing, and although therapy and self development can help, God is the only healing balm we truly have.
Including generational sins up to 4 generations
You're a joke
I have several LGBT friends, and none of them were abused as children. Using your subjective personal experience as an argument proves absolutely nothing, as everyone has a different life experience! And no, being gay is not a choice. And this is already more than scientifically proven.
@@williancamaraporteladefran1791 This is a statistic actually so it is not subjective at all. I am samoan from california, and it is common but not permited for men to touch children in their family. Those children often become gay or bisexual, although its the same thing. What you alphabet gang people won’t accept is that it is not just the world you see but the spirtual world, demons that keep gays and sexually immoral people in bondage and confusion of who they are.
huh?? that’s super dumb 😂
Thats the devil buddy. God also gave us free will
Yep
Blame the devil when God is the one who lets the devil do everything he does. If the devil was the cause of every bad thing then why would God let the devil continue to cause bad things. Temptation doesn't have to be a part of free will, and God already knows how you will respond to a test so why would he allow the devil to temp and test you?
@Phosphur he already answered the question. free will. god gave all his creations free will including the devil. the devil wasnt always the devil he chose to be that way
@@zawrldo2335He did give us free will.
But is who you are sexuality attracted to a choice? Let’s say someone offered me 1 MILLION dollars to get a boner from gay porn. I would love to get the money, but I wouldn’t be able to get a boner watching naked men, no matter how much I wanted. I can’t choose and make myself get a boner for naked guys.
We definitely have free will. But we don’t choose who gives us boners. Sexual orientation is not a choice, it can’t be a choice.
@@zawrldo2335He did give us free will. It’s a choice to act on it. But why does God make some men be sexually attracted to other men.
Let’s say someone offered me 1 MILLION dollars to get a boner from gay porn.
As much as I would want to win the money, it would be impossible for me to decide to get a boner watching naked men. We don’t decide who gives us a boned. We can only decide, wether to act on it.
So if it’s a sin, why does God allow certain men to be sexually attracted of other men?
I love when Joe gets serious you can see the inquisitiveness on his face
actually it's the stoned look on his face he smokes a lot of weed, and his show is no different then what us stoners did on a easy night back in the 80's. we got high and had Philosophical conversations.
@@timothyblackburn6801 no he has a serious death stare look
That’s just Joe trying to get through the fog of being stone
That pot working smh
@@timothyblackburn6801 literally doesn’t smoke that much weed lol
I'm not religious, but Joe is missing that God can't mess with free will.
So god is not allmighty? If he can't control free will, is he really above us? Why could he create everything and by that the free will, if he can't control that single thing? Religion falls apart the moment you surpass 14th century brainpower.
Free will only exists in those who take it though, most people are drones who don't take advantage of free will, think for themselves, and do what they actually want with life, sexual deviance aside; I'll take my hate now 🤷♂️
No he's not. He's not asking about acting gay, he's asking about the urge that's in their psyces.
@@DutchObserver Then the answer is self-evident.
@@michaelgallagher3814 The answer to why god did that?
God didn't make people gay, Satan did.
God created, allowed, allows, and knew satan would do all the things he does. He is directly to blame for any criticism of satan
@@colinschmitt6571How? It’s not remotely his responsibility to deal with satan. And if it was then he’s already done his part.
Biological drive doesn't equate to what you morally ought to be doing. And its not like the Bible hasn't given straight people their own set of gudelines as well.
Exactly. And by joes logic pedos have a biological drive made by God. Joe is on the edge of a slippery slope with the way he said what he did because people could use his logic to defend their actions being a pedo which is sooo wrong and disgusting.
Uganda reporter has entered the chat room?
Why you gey?
Who said I’m gey?
Then who’s gey?
You are gey.
I am not gay
Yes, you are gey
Uragay
I love right after he asks, "Who said I'm gae?" he just death stares him and goes, "You are gae."
Why are u gae ?
Its spelt gay u retards 😄
I love the part where Matt's response is not shown. Great job
Hope your being sarcastic
It was shown, some don't hear what is said.
i love how you act like he had an actual argument. all he does is repeat the same weak and worn out talking point. that “man” is a pathetic dimwit grifter who just pedals dogsh*t to absolute degenerate bigots like yourself.
Probably didn’t want us to lose brain cells
Welcome to the leftist propaganda machine called “social media”
He didn't make them gay, just like he didn't make murderers. He gives people their choices to make on their own and not everyone makes the right ones. And everyone wants to talk about god does this or that, but leaves out the other part of the conversation. The devil absolutely wants you to be gay and blasphemous in any way possible and will certainly influence you down paths of self destruction. It's your god given right to make your own choices ultimately regardless of influences.
are u comparing being gay to being a murderer?
So humans can understand that life isn't solely about having children. It's about developing our love. It isn't about which sex you are attracted to, but about the sincerity of the love between partners.
They cut off his response to the question. If a question is given then the answer should be included. Not cut off to look like he won some conversational debate
THANK YOU
But he did win, do you have an answer?
Lol anything matt Walsh has to say is nothing worth keeping in 😂
Because his response was fucking stupid.
@Phasefella tv Jesus says you have to be reborn again. U cant go to heaven if your not reborn you have to leave your old self
didn’t show his response. classic.
Because it’s irrelevant Christians will jump through any hoops imaginable to say gay people are bad
I hate when they do this, like wow nice point only showing your argument
yea because Matt absolutely destroys the argument after. He makes the argument that everyone struggles to fight their sins, but just because all people sin doesnt mean we should embrace some sins
@@tooeasylol first of all relax it’s a debate nobody is getting DESTROYED that’s some cringe shit. Second that argument still doesn’t work because being gay isn’t like other sins the way you feel like you wanna steal something isn’t the same desire you have to fuck a women. Stop being a cringe Christian and just let people be them
@@peewee130946 Nobody is arguing that people shouldnt have freedom to commit sins, but the argument is simply that if you believe in religon, you dont have to believe that everything that feels good was made by God to be abused and indulged in. 1 of the 7 deadly sins is glutony, much of the same reads across.
Being gay is not a sin but living as a gay which includes sexual immorality is a sin. It's the sin not the person.
It’s. Sinful lifestyle. If you are gay you aren’t a Christian.
Pretty cruel of god t make life harder for gay people like that then. He should change his mind sometime
@@taylorhilliard7764and you better make up your mind. The audacity to ask God to change His mind could make you in danger. Imagine, what if He changes His mind and chooses to not wake you up tomorrow? How about that?
@@jayveerodelas1682Thankfully Dog is just a fairy tale spurred by the cowardly, who are far too afraid to look reality in its face.
@@taylorhilliard7764 the ultimate relationship has to be with God. Earthly Christian marriages are fine and are a sign of Gods love for us and help us grow. Being in friendship groups and communion with God also does that. Not all fulfilment comes from earthly romantic relationships
some people really hate that god gave us free choice
My grandpa would say that God would create people who were "different" to test our kindness and love for our neighbors. I'm not Christian but those words have stuck with me for years.
Edit: it seems a lot of you interpreted this in different ways. I'm not saying a God exists, like I said I'm not Christian. And "different" can apply to many things, not just sexual orientation. I'm also not saying that person A was to test the virtues of person B but to perhaps test society as a collective. Basically, my grandfather's message to us kids was to embrace our differences because in the end its not how much money you made or what career you had that matters, its how you treated others and how others remember you. We are all different from each other so embracing those differences (as long as it doesn't physically harm others) is important. Treat each other kindly.
im not religious either but this is actually a good point! that almost seems like the ultimate test tbh. to see how kind and understanding you are to people who are still normal good people who aren't hurting anyone, but are just different in some way. good words from your grandpa!
I like that moral/ethical reasoning
Well I believe God made man perfect. But with the ability to choose. Just because you have an inclination towards doing what is a sin in Gods eyes doesn’t mean you have to do it. I’m fact you shouldn’t we should heed the word of God almighty for the fact that one he loves us and if he is telling us to do something it’s for our sake and two because he is all powerful and he has punishment for the ones who don’t consider his word in the way they choose to live. The fact he makes you a way is true but he didn’t make us evil he says this in genesis “and God said his creation was very good”
Not a bad way to look at it
@@jaypettius8661 When someone can actually show what God, if he exists, actually thinks is a sin, then I'll listen. Since the only source that has been provided is a collection of books that isn't remotely internally consistent, it can easily be ignored.
Besides, if God truly cared about what actions we shouldn't do, he should probably let us know in a way other than that which is mostly believed by those that are fooled the easiest and are the least educated.
“God doesn’t make the world this way, we do!” -Rorschach
It's like stunning me how the ppl in USA process things in their brains... Still nowadays😂 God instilling "lust"... The "devil" trying em with sins😂😅 like...wtf we on the brink of aa LITERAL WORLD WAR III🙈👀
We aren’t talking about the world , we’re talking about the individual. I don’t think gay people made themselves gay, why would anyone wiling make life harder for themselves.
This is such a stupid quote 💀 people are often born gay
@@cyborgboy9854there is no “gay gene.”
@@cyborgboy9854 it's a mental disorder. It's been proven
It’s like how some people have more violent tendencies it doesn’t mean it’s ok for them to be violent
Arguing with religious ppl is one of the hardest things I’ve ever experienced in my life. No exaggeration. They just don’t want to get it. 🥴
Bruh Joe looks like he's asking the question to the universe lmfao.
Is Joe gay?
Joe looks like he hates this topic
@@galvanizedgnome Joe's a reasonably perceptive guy, and in entertainment. He's not gay, but he almost certainly knows enough gay people to understand how shortsighted and idiotic the 'Christian's' position is.
@@Jermbot15 it's not idiotic
@@Hello-xb8re So God made men who are attracted to other men. Their attraction to other men harms no one. And for arbitrary reasons your God has declared that attraction a sin.
You're welcome to explain the divine intelligence of it all, but I'm afraid the default position will be that it's idiotic.
Love how they didn't show his response to it...
Youtoube shorts can only go up to 30 seconds. It's good that he added the first arguements for context.
@@CubeRNGG Ahh that's true, my b
“He made you in his image, but we remade you in ours…” - Nefarious
Nobody is born gay, they choose, and thats when you start straying into the enemies camp
Freewill is a thing that is completely overlooked when these type of questions are asked
It has to be. You cannot choose to be gay lmao. Just like how you cannot tell a straight man not to be attracted to a women. It has to do with your brain and your brains natural born activity.
@@RespectedSpice People frankly do not understand that no straight man is suddenly deciding to start liking dick lol. People are born with their sexuality they don't just decide it. But sadly people are so blinded by a mistranslation in a 2,000 year old book rather than listening to science that the world is divided in every category. There will always be 1 person who disagrees with your opinion no matter what it is.
Lmao just delusions to justify the Bible being inaccurate…..it’s a sin to be gay and you’ll burn in hell for eternity even tho it’s not a choice to be gay it’s a instinct you are born with shows how silly the Bible actually is
Yeah, low IQ question from Joe.
@@RespectedSpice That's the lie you've bought. Being gay is a sin. You're a sin. Your existence is haram.
I love the people who say Joe Rogan hates gay people because if you listen to this with Matt Walsh he went into about a 40-minute discussion and didn't let up for one second about gay marriage
He’s still extremely transphobic which sucks cuz I’m trans and I used to love his podcast years ago
@@zoexoxo999 sucks for you
@zoeypeterson9040 what exactly makes him extremely transphobic?
@@sykotikmommy exactly
@@zoexoxo999 If you're referring to him thinking trans women competing in all female sports is unfair, the he's not transphobic, he's right
He gave us free will
It’s the same reason why God creates violent people. Everyone has their own desires that they are not suppose to submit too.
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed." (James 1:13-14 KJV)
Well said thank you !!!!!!!!
@@regeidachristian455 its directly from God, so very well said haha
If only something like that was said in the video!!
I love joe ,, thank you 🤘❤
Congrats you remember a verse. You are now closer to your god.
A bear can never be gay
-joe Rogan
Joe - "ever seen a grizzly bear eat a man? Ever seen a GAY grizzly bear eat a man???"
Check out dolphins and most monkeys.
@@gabeslife0601 yeh they start from the dicks
Bear made by God
Lol
I never thought i'd see Joe Rogan win a debate lmao
against people who hardline for a fictional fairy flying in the sky, it's actually not hard at all to be fair.
@@ChristopherGray00prove that statement
@@ChristopherGray00 "I can't do it so you do it"
You can be attracted without acting upon desire.
You can want to drink alcohol without drinking alcohol.
Each person is tested according to their level of faith.
Men are drawn away by their own desires James 1:14
The James bible was commissioned by king James, a gay icon who told the church “Christ had John and I have George” (his boyfriend and the Duke of Buckingham) check your sources 😅
@@Fgggffhejdhhdbdhdjebgo read the New International Version then
The bible is not a reliable source. Faith is not a source. Belief is not a source. Imaginary delusions are not a source.
@@Itsdasummer32if you need to have different versions of something that all proclaim to be divine, then you know it’s horseshit
Also it is called self improvement and diligence which is a virtue to god not your personal wanton wims
He gave us a choice he didn’t decide for them to be gay.
People invented god
god invented people
He gave us full control of our own decisions amongst other humans.
being gay isnt a decision
@@cosplash9754 I may be insane, but i'm not delusional. Its a choice and thats okay. Like peppermint ice cream with gravy smotthered on top. Not for everyone but a good mix of shits and tickles 😊
Being gay is definitely a decision. There's literally no gene you're born with that makes you gay, it's like saying you're born obese. And religion and your fake little book you worship that 10 HUMANS wrote is all BS. You're brainwashed by religion so you're all mindless easy to control sheep sitting here arguing over a fake deity. Lol.
I could make a million comparisons lol are murderes born to kill people? WhY would GoD dO tHaT?! Uhhh durrrr
So all gay people just shouldn’t be gay.. gotcha
I’m not religious but I’d have to say free will.
Free will made your biochemistry say you were gay?
Exactly it’s such a was answer
Damn im not either but i went to temptation.
It's really that simple. We still have a choice to not engage in our desires! Regardless of why!
“I say we have no choice but to have free will. The religious say ‘of course we have free will, the boss insists upon it!’”
Christopher Hitchens
Evil spirits provoke homosexuality just like every sin.
We are part of universal creation and evolution is part of it. It goes hand in hand. Being gay is not morally wrong, it’s a deviation from the natural baseline (to procreate) This is like a discussion at kids level.
He gave us free will to do good or to sin in this test we call life.
Life is not a test it is an expression of our will and a process by which we learn and grow or evolve through the results we create.
Who you're attracted to is not an act of will
There is no free will if u believe in an all-powerful God. I thought God knows everything past present and future. He already knows who’s going to be saved or not already. OR, if there is Free will, then You HAVE to admit that GOD does NOT know everything, therefore he is not All powerful.
@@mitchellwhite3054 False. God knows past, present, and future. But the future isn't set in stone. God knows all the different possibilities, but we use free will to pick which possibility occurs. It's not one or the other. Free will and an all powerful God can both exist.
Also all knowing and all powerful are not the same thing.
@@lightning10053 god knowing all possibilities isn't special. I know most possibilities of an action. God knows the future. This is known. The Christian God is flawed. Either he is not all good or all powerful since bad things happen on his watch. I believe in God but I think the bible has been too corrupted by man. Something is off
“If god is all good then he cannot be all powerful, and if he is all powerful then he cannot be all good”
He gave us free will and it's the choice they made to be attracted to the same sex. He didnt instill the lust they chose to sin.
Did you make a choice to have the sexual orientation you currently have?
I notice nowadays nobody ever wants to answer a direct question
The answer is free will.
@@thog2915 The answer can only be two things... either god is a dick giving someone an attraction then saying not to follow that attraction or as it doesn't hurt anyone, same sex relationships are not a sin and god really doesn't care...
@@thog2915 bro there are things you do because u want and there are things u do because u have to, it’s impossible to make yourself stop breathing till you die ,that’s inherent,same way u are attracted to what you like, something goes off in your head that makes u do something ,u can’t choose it bruh
the answer is more likely sexual abuse as a child or a hormonal imbalance
@@MeAndMoeMoe Ahh the lie that gay people exists because of trauma or medical conditions has been debunked time and time aggain. If it was hormonal issues people would randomly turn gay when they have certain medical conditions and most gay people have perfectly normal upbringing. Being gay is as hard wired in to gay peoples brains as being straight is hard wired in to straight people.
You guys should definitely watch the whole conversation. Both sides brought up great points that made you think. Most importantly tho they never raised their voices or got angry at each other, I wish we could see more polite discussions like it
the only reason why it didn't blow up is because Joe rogan is a great podcast host and he has massive amounts of influence that could crush Matt Walsh into oblivion. sincerely doubt Matt Walsh would make any great points about any of it when he couldn't even counter argue something as simple as this. i agree with Joe's point any way but still.
I dont even need to watch the whole episode. The whole thing is stupid off the start.
The way it works is that people are attracted to secret wierd fetishes. Just flip the context to why psychopath are attracted to killing, decieving, lying. Its all the same answers everytime.
They have all chosen their sinful lives. And most of them are sickos. Arguing with a non-believers is so hard because its so dumb.
@JohnnySilverfoot where exactly is the proof that being gay is a choice?
Id ask Joe why pedophiles exist. Its called free will. A 2 year old can honestly figure it out.
Yes discussion without foolishness.
What about people that are attracted to children? As a Christian I don’t think being gay is a sin. However, saying that if something is fundamental to your attraction should be ok just doesn’t hold up as a standard
God didn’t instill lust in gay people. It’s far more complex than that and I hope that his guest was able to elaborate properly.
Wow. What a great question. I can’t wait to hear the response- oh the clip is over 🥴
Sin is what makes someone gay. It's a mental disorder or a chemical imbalance. Just like kids getting cancer. We were made perfect in his image, and then we committed, which has corrupted everything.
@@randomcanadaguy32 so god sounds like a dick if he real. Why would anyone want to worship such a dick
@roberto5red5rocky God didn't make that, God gave people free will and people commit sin with thier free will.
@@michaelmoore5698 what
@@jrfw96 it’s not the only the gay people who’ve got a ‘forbidden fruit’ every one has a few it’s just easier to see others problems and say I’m better than them but in reality you could be much worse than them or you could be better than them but I’ll never know if you are
We need somebody from UGANDA to answer this
Only one man can teach him the danger of eating da poo poo
We need DA PASTAH to answer...
@@wealthforthecommoners3146 Confiushon of the haighast ordah !!!!
"WHY, ARE YOU GAY??"
we need that presenter on the JR show
God did not give us attraction to sin we do that ourselves ❤
Galatians 5:13
You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh ; rather, serve one another humbly in love.
Man exactly. Also after thinking about this video for a bit. Being gay isn’t the sin. It’s the actions of being gay that’s the sin. So sure let’s say that God created people who are gay. That doesn’t mean he’s setting that person up to fail. They still have a choice to indulge in their sexuality.
@@thelemonboy6233 If god gave them attractiveness to the same sex. Then it shouldn't be a sin. Because if god gave men attractiveness to heterosexual people and is ok for them having sex than god is a hypocrite. And nobody should have sex, if sex is a sin. Btw god isn't real we don't live in de middle ages grow up. If you die your dead.
@@thelemonboy6233 overdriven lust is an equally bad and sometimes synonymous sin.
@@thelemonboy6233 so you’re saying if someone is attracted to the same sex, they should somehow try to reverse that lust and pretend they’re not gay? Cause you can’t just reprogram your mind to be attracted to something else.
this is how I know most of you guys haven’t studied the Bible thoroughly for yourself with no bias and just go by what your pastor says, like just literally read the first part of the Bible and use your common sense, then you will have answer
Rogan really does have the best interviews. He can have a completely opposite viewpoint, yet remain civil and carry on the conversation.
wrong point because this is not linked with god . its a psychological ilness
oftentimes, he'll play devil's advocate just to see if the person he's speaking to is educated in the topic or not. comparing this to when he met and communicated with adam from adam ruins everything is interesting
Rogan is the best.
Joe with matt:
Joe with Alex Jones : They made frogs gay
Fair but he is a freemason a satanist n hides better than most of em, being gay is just one out of many of lucifers plans to tear at gods image n tear our morals n soul away from god, I don't care to change minds we all will find out the truth one day
The simple answer is that God doesn’t make people gay. That’s the equivalent of saying God makes people murders or adulterers. People make their own decisions and over time their views and feelings might change. Even still, it is one thing to struggle and have sinful desires, as we all do, it is a total other thing to act out those desires and have pride in them. Also, this is isn’t the full clip, and the other man actually gives a pretty good answer
God didn’t create homosexuality.
He gave us all free will.
The Devil and his fallen angels manipulated that free will and introduced homosexuality to humanity amongst other things.
The more the world turns away from God the stronger Satans hold gets.
God tried to eradicate it, “Sodom and Gamorrah”.
All praise be to God, the father and the almighty ❤
Absolutely right
I haven't seen the original video, but i would bet he gave a very reasonable and thoughtful answer that was conveniently edited out of this clip.
The answer I was given by a pastor was
"I believe that God gives us all challenges that we must overcome. Each of us must earn our place in his hallowed halls, as each of us must suffer through existence to prove ourselves worthy of eternal bliss."
I countered with
"But he already knows all things that have and will ever happen, so why even bother at that point?"
He responded with
"It's not my place to speak for him. I don't know exactly why the world works as it does, all I can do is have faith in him and live my life righteously and faithfully."
One of the coolest dudes I ever met, btw. Always supportive of other people's choices and aspirations whether they were correct according to his religion or not. He was one of the few people I would consider a true Christian, instead of the vindictive asshats that are more prevalent.
I believe we’re not meant to understand every little thing but I also think even though he knows we don’t, we need to experience it ourselves in order to understand why we are in hell or heaven.
I’m sorry that your idea of a true Christian is someone accepting people no matter what but that’s not it. A true Christian will let someone know when their sin is going to lead them to hell. And if a Christian is supporting gay people or whatever then they aren’t doing the right thing god wants us to spread his truth not accept the deceit from satan
And being a Christian is not meant to be an easy task people are going to say we are “hate crime” or whatever and I guarantee I will be blasted on here for what I have said
@@loganvittitoe3341 Love thy neighbor, friend. I never said he didn't let people know he disagreed with their choices. I only said he was supportive of each person's decisions. He believed it was up to each individual to make their own mistakes and learn/better themselves.
@Logan Vittitoe It's not up to the Christian people to judge anybody. Judgement is the lord's domain. All we can do is do our best to educate. Accept people for what and who they are so long as they aren't hurting anyone, and leave all the rest for the creator.
Are we just gonna ignore “free will”
EDIT: I noticed a lot of you took the the concept of free will and indoctrinated into “gays don’t choose who they date “. Free will is a thing . You choose everything you do from what you wear, to what you eat , to who you’re attracted to . Just bc there’s incentive to do or not do something doesn’t mean you can’t choose to do whatever you want . And let’s use some basic critical thinking skills to interpret just bc free will comes from a god doesn’t mean it’s a deity itself , Free will can be physically blocked when certain conditions are met. Say you get incarcerated and you’re physically in jail . You can still choose everything that you do up to those limitations like should you sit or stand eat or sleep workout or pout rehabilitate or continue to be destructive when your free.
Bull 💩
he gave him a layup of a question and the guy answering it seemed bamboozled
people don't choose who they love tf
yes we are, because you have no evidence it even exists
You see there are probably some gay people who would be straight if they could but they just can't because it's just not normal for them
Joe has so much to learn about God he doesn’t “make” people do anything he gives us free will to do what he likes
Matt Walsh is the last person of whom you should ask any questions of God and the nature of sin in man. The dude literally admitted to thinking someone will go to heaven if they love others and have lived a good life, while NOT accepting Christ as their savior.
Some jacked up Catholic legalism there.
he gave us free will then told us the way he wants us to go
While this makes the most sense in regards to Christianity. It makes zero sense in our actual world. If it wanted us to be a certain way wouldn't it ensure that we know it's law comes from God itself..not just thousand year old texts from power hungry humans.... God would have us all on our knees and say this is how you'll be. You can do whatever but if you break my rules you are damned to hell. But the rules of what's allowed and not allowed has changed just within Christianity itself, let alone the fact theres 200 + religions. We have free will and a conscience. They go hand in hand. We do right or wrong and reward or punish ourselves for it. And some ppl reward themselves for doing the wrong things and it spirals them towards a negative life, or in other words, hell... Where when you do right and reward yourself for the good and right you do you'll be in heaven..... And if you're twisted enough mentally you can be in hell for doing right and be in heaven for doing wrong....
@@HashiramaSells man you just wasted a whole textbook worth of writing 🤣 at this point write some funny stuff like, "Stacey, you ever had a man wear a condom? Contraceptives are a sin... SINNER!" It's way more fun getting it across that way lol
@@HashiramaSells i would say that God did make sure we know the laws. That is what our conscience is. Our conscience points us to what’s right and what’s wrong regardless of how we feel. It is something outside of our own moral judgement that points us to God’s law. It says in Romans 2:15 that when those who didn’t have the written law follow the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
@@brycesoncoleman6129 so we agree.
@Catch Wreck one day you’ll see
It’s the fact that they can have an intelligent convo about these subjects without letting emotion slip in. We all gotta be like this.
I wouldn't say intelligent, but just civil.
Yeah behaue it’s not about them Genius. Someone whose life depends on it will of course be more emotionally involved
The fundamental flaw in rogan's argument is the assumption that what God allows, is willed with the intent that people should pursue it. And that's where it falls apart. I think that in this argument, what is not considered is the possibility that God also allows evil, so then by default he wills it, but does he encourage it then?
Definitely not intelligent, you got one guy believing there's a beard floating diety in the sky who knows everything, created the world and the heavens in 7 days, THEN said let there be light, mf created everything in the dark apparently then turned on the lights, and I'm not talking about dark like when the lights are out, im talking a darkness that has no light what so ever, light wasn't even a thing when he was apparently doing this shit, faith is good blind faith is bad and God is just blind faith
@@Aphorim The only thing in the bible that references homosexuality, is one line stating not to lay with(grape) your male slaves. It's about consent in the bible not about the act. there has been a a lot added to and inferred into christianity that wasn't in any of the books that were left in the canon bible. Not to mention is goes along stating that yhwh isn't the only god just the god you should follow. The bible was a way to control a populace and get people to follow moral guidelines to keep people orderly.
Dude what an editing + jre words on point + perfect song = beyond words ur talented bro keep it up i genuinely enjoyed the content 👏
God didn’t make anyone sin ( eg be gay ). He did give people free will.
But I guess then people argue that being gay wasn’t a choice….
"Jamie, pull up that clip of that bear on DMT that god made act gay"
That used to be Cocaine Bear till Mike Tyson sat him down and introduced CB to his shaman and CB from that moment on is now 5meoDMT Bear and the world's frequencies have never been higher. Iron Mike done did it again 👏 🐻🤝👨🏿🦲
Google what you commented
Jamie pull up that clip of a bear doing cocaine that made them act gay.
God do not make u gay we are all bon broken but we choose to ack to on it
@@alanaban1840 God made you spell bad
“God didn’t make me a gambling addict. It was his gift. He is showing me my purpose, one day I’m gonna hit it big and you will all see” -joe rogan
Okay he had a bad example, but I would say how is it a sin if it’s virtually unavoidable? God, not allowing somebody to love another is really only practiced by catholic priests and look how well that ends up 🙃
@@Joshtapus I'm pretty sure the OP is joking, I don't think Joe ever said that.
@@EllaJay I know he’s joking and that’s not a real quote, but his joke is equating a gambling addiction to being gay, which is not an illness.
@@Joshtapus Oh, I see.. My bad. I agree, it's a poor analogy. And on point about priests.✌️
I'm dead 🤣
Omg, he didn't make them gay, they made themselves gay.
your god made us gay we did ask to be gay,we didn't say"you know what ima be gay". it doesn't work like that
I don’t believe this but this would be my answer. “Any sin cast upon an individual is a test of will and faith towards the path and whether you are deserving of a place in paradise”.
Joe is always so genuine with his questions…you can’t even be offended or upset because you can tell he would genuinely like an answer.
Agreed. It's actually an easy question to answer, and Matt didn't do a great job of answering it.
His logic is completely out the window though.
"If God made thing why thing bad"
God created Lucifer, we're all pretty clear on the free will of angels and how that played a role there.
Just because you're homosexual doesn't mean commit sodomy. Maybe God would prefer these people become Monks and Nuns as I would too. I'd rather them live lives for God than in their individual sin as I would prefer for all people
@@John777-3 because this guest is using religion and god to judge others... thats why hes asking thjs specific question to this person... so they themselves look introspectively
@@John777-3the question isn’t meant to pose the origin of sin. The question is a little more subtle, but also a little darker. The question Joe is asking is posing the idea of god not existing at all. Why would “God” do anything outside his bounds of rules, if they weren’t meant to be broken in the first place. Of course every single religion in the world has an answer to this, but it is in essence Joe’s question.
It’s really just the temptation for any sin. Weather we act on those thoughts or not determine who we are
Free will. That's what was given.
Joe made it very clear in his question, he is not speaking on free will. You have the freedom of will to take action, sure. You do not have the freedom of will to determine what causes physical attraction to another.
@Nathaniel kind of convenient to omit the one thing that decides that from the framework of the question right?
@@jdparker2007 There is nothing convenient about it. Joe was very clear in his question, he asked why would God create people where "their fundamental attractiveness" is to the same sex.
If your answer to that is "God gave humankind free will, so anyone who is gay is only that way because they choose to be." Then you're not answering his question, and that's OK, because do any of us really know?
@Nathaniel I'm not doubting the validity of his questioning and it's certainly in line with one of the hundreds of questions people ask about why God does this or why he created humans in such a way regarding whatever their issue is at that moment. Especially Atheist. However, the answer is simply human will, and the option to know what is right and wrong and be free to choose between the 2. People are attracted to who they are attracted to, it's not my place to pass judgment on that, or try to understand why. Unless it's a pedophile, they can fucking burn.
@@jdparker2007 Couldn't agree more with you. Unfortunately, as we see in the times we're living in today - what we know/believe to be right and wrong is not simply being challenged but outright changed/corrupted. Unless there is some nexus event in the near future, there is nothing to stop or reverse course on what is happening.
Just as it was normal to marry out children and inbreed and all those things we consider heinous today - our beliefs will be looked upon in similar fashion, and similarly the answer for why God does/allows x, y, and z will be answered differently than you answer today.
When people choose to rebel against God, he gives them free reign to rebel. But they still get punished. Unless they repent.
That's like saying "Why would God give someone the lust for murder?" Do you think God condones murder? No, He does not! God does not make people one way or another... people make their choices. free will
The existence of free will makes no sense. All of our actions are predetermined by external factors.
Immediately after this Joe Rogan decided to imitate a bear
😂😂😂 Thr Fricken Bear 🐻 noises
a bear on dmt.
Because he’s a fuckin alpha male
To be intimate with a bear? You crazy bro
Man… I would’ve liked to actually have heard Matt’s response.
He didn't have one
Mate the whole second half of the episode is about this and he doesn’t answer the question well despite having enough time
He didn’t say anything insightful
It Woulda Been Complete Bullshit As Usual
I can respond on behafe of every christian .. God gave us free will and sometimes it will lead you to hell instead of paradise.. that why we got the Bible , it's instruction so you dont piss off God so much that he will punish you with hell , and yes sodomy is punishable .. He did it before to sodom
the christian response to this is that all humans were born with an inherent sin (as a result of adam and eve eating the forbidden fruit and receiving the knowledge of good and evil) and while that sin varies from person to person, some people's inherent sin is homosexuality or the desire to be another sex that is different than what they were born with. not attempting arguments just stating what the belief behind born homosexuality is to those of the christian faith
We need someone else to represent the Christian community if you can’t respond to this question
That part. "Why would God give them that lust." So incredibly ignorant it's almost laughable when people speak on subjects with no research and all emotion
Being without God, Free Will, Generational Curses, Demonic Influence, all these factors exist.
It is called "free will".
Ok so why did god create disease things like cancer?
@@masonloup8934 I’m mean, when you want a relationship with someone do you lie and manipulate them to get what you. Or do you want them to choose you genuinely not because they’re forced are forced to but because they actually care about you over all the other “nonsense” things in this world. Because how else would you know that they actually care about you. He gave a you choice, a choice to pick him on your own. Your own will, doesn’t mean that you can run from consequences.
@@masonloup8934 So then why be punished for anything? Us having freedoms and having the option to kill someone and when you actually kill them bam the cops show up and arrest you. Just complete nonsense
@@masonloup8934I mean in our society you get punished by law if you do what ever you want with your own freedoms
@@sunggyupark5551 1000% valid points
It's called free will. He gave us free will
Free will to be born with the feelings of loving the same sex?? Smh yea ok buddy
@@KevinOrtiz-ul9th i believe this is the biggest lie ever and this lie serve some agenda to normalize it and slide it to the society and destroy the families
Gives us free will, complains when we do things out of our own free will. God sounds like a woman.
@@TheDutchyNL nothing out of your free will there is a strong men and weak if you are weak that is your problem not God
@@basilalsulami8411 Gay people don't have a problem with themselves, people like you and a supposed ''god'' does. Don't try and weasle yourself out of this.
Matt was the wrong person to debate this
His question is like asking why did God make murderers if He didn't want them to murder?
I like how Joe challenges both liberal and conservatives about their views.
Joe really fell on his own sword here and they cut out Matt Walsh’s response. The short answer is that god tests people with temptation. Same with alcoholism, greed, pedophilia, violence. God tempts people with the desire to sin and the explosion of homosexuality is a failure where all gay people are not allowed into the kingdom of heaven.
Personally I’m not religious and don’t care if someone is gay but Joes logic here was heading off a cliff lol
@@DanBlabbers Matt stumbled all over himself throughout the entire podcast.
@@DanBlabbers I don't think your sexual orientation is a temptation like drugs or alcohol, gay people literally cannot get an erection from a woman.
@@DanBlabbers God doesn't tempt anyone with such atrocities. satan does. It's up to us to turn away from those temptations. God only allows it because of free will, but with that comes consequences. It's all a test. Mankind is responsible for their own actions. This is why God doesn't just kill all gay people, pedophiles, murderers, abortionist, etc. He leaves it up to us (another test) to properly deal with these situations. We all fall short and no one is perfect.
@@DanBlabbers that’s not a good answer though because gay relationships include consent, and there are no consequences to it unlike your other examples
This interview reminds me of the African dude saying “why are you gay?”
That’s one of the funniest interviews ever though!
@@1153mfPeople are trying to bomb me! 😂
He said gae 😂
Joe's serious attitude without being angry is something I'm working so hard towards. Inspiring man
if you truly believe what you say you wont get upset and angry when people attack you , and if they get angry they have already lost the argument.
@@darkazurr9891 it's so hard tho i am very passionate and am 28. I try not to let others influence my emotions but I am not that disciplined yet. More focus, more practice, then application.
@@tomfreakingford It's not that difficult. Just stop being a sensitive btch
Joe’s goal is getting an answer/ understanding his way of thinking and reasoning for his statements. He’s not trying to maintain a relationship or even “prove” his point. Why would you want to prove someone wrong, especially if they aren’t in your daily life? Why waste that energy? There’s no point in getting emotional over another persons beliefs/ opinions. Especially if they aren’t your close friend or someone you care about. “Anger is punishment we give ourselves for others mistakes”. It’s like why get mad at him? Do his beliefs align with mine? No, but what is their intent? I’m sure if you asked him if he wants the best for being itself and for everyone to be happy, he would say yes (like most would, if they truly asked themselves what they want for the world). Now does that mean everyone has good intent? No! However in today day and age we are so quick to throw stones at each other. “You don’t think this way therefore you must believe x” which is simply untrue, life is far more nuanced and black and white than we’d like to admit. When engaging in a conversation like this where you feel emotions take over, ask yourself what do I want out of this? How does their opinion impact me? (it doesn’t) and how can I use this new found knowledge to help guide me in the future and in future instances. What is your intent?😎 Cheers!☀️
@@rcnewman51. thanks ryan
God has given us free will to make the choice. People choose to be gay, people choose to be sinful.
Free will is why ppl are gay.
You gotta listen to the whole podcast. Very respectful convo
Yes I agree
Is it good? Not sure i could listen to walsh for two hours
@@fiachoconnor it’s a great conversation since he’s not arguing he’s just talking. Rogan does a great job and Walsh never escalated what he was being asked about.
@@jrearena too bad none of these shorts tell you which episode it is from. I can never FIND the full conversation.
@@fiachoconnor because he’s Christian. Classic
Greatest trick the devil ever pulled. Was making the world believe he doesn't exist!
You blame the devil, but isn’t he the direct son of God and he is an Angel and is he not the one that punishes the sinners? Why do we blame him if we are created in Gods image? So many questions so little time.
We are made in God's image, but because we are not gods we are not perfect. The devil was created by God but again they are not perfect. They have their own free choice, like we do. So you can't say God is the problem.
I meant to say the devil was created by God, and he was an angel but angels are not perfect.
But a lot the gays still believe in God tho and Christianity so that doesn't make sense. They don't worship the devil, they sin and repent like is said in the Bible. So does it still make it wrong even tho they still seek God ? I'm just saying, I have friends that are of that nature and support them but they believe in God and still seek and repent.
@@jpelonrun6692most of those questions are literally misunderstandings that can be solved by opening the first page of the bible,but really the devil got lost in pride and sought to destroy everything that god holds dear(us) and hes doing that by making everything bad that’s happening in the world be Gods fault yet we are sinners because the devil brought temptation and sin into the world,and Jesus took it out that why we can still make it to heaven after we have sinned,we just need to believe in Jesus dying for our sins and acknowledging that we are sinners who are saved,God loves you and the devil despises everything about you,remember tht always😊
Is socially learned behavior. God doesn’t make a murderer a murderer, you learn to sin as you go in life. God gave us free will so we decide what to do with the gift of life.
Here is the simple explanation: God in fact does not instill homosexuality in people, that is what the devil does (not Lucifer, but a different “devil”). But here’s what is so interesting about God (Christian and Jewish) he gives us FREE WILL! Because of this we all get the choice to live in God’s name or worship evil and the devil/the adversary. That is the best way of putting it, hope this answers anyone’s questions 😁
Free will. That's it. They didn't have to but they did.
😂😂😂 what a degenerative utterance.
Free will!? You likely recognize that’s such an illogical mythical thing. It’s a disservice to you to fall for that shit.
You pick and chose between free will and destiny whenever it suits you
@@UnbrokenWillll what has destiny got to do with sexual desires?
It’s not free will if you are born that way lmao. Imagine if being straight was against gods will… you’d legit just say “ but but I was born that way” then imagine having to have gay sex to appease a “man in the sky” all while having a bunch of people keep telling you your a sinner and going to hell for how you feel from birth 😂 joke of a concept to believe in
So if you wanted to, you could choose to be gay? I'm pretty sure I didn't choose to be attracted to both genders when I was a toddler lmao. If you're able to choose to be gay then that means your were gay in the first place l. No matter how hard gay people try it is impossible to start only being attracted to the opposite sexz that's why gay camps and therapy never actually worked.
"Yeah, you know what else can be gay? bears, Jamie, show him that video of the bear ripping that guys balls and eating them."
- Joe probably
Who tf is Davie
who tf is jimmy neutron?? you mean jamie?
Okay, where does the bear meme come from? I gotta know 😂
😂 you are awsome but bad
😂😂😂
Everyone is different and everyone gets a different test specifically designed for him , that’s how great this phase of our existence is , and how fair Gos is
Totally. For some people the test is homosexuality which they're somehow supposed to "cure" I guess?
Others maybe get terminal cancer when they're 8.
And I guess your test was being able to spell a 3 letter word that was literally the subject of this video? (Sorry, you failed and are going to hell now)
All totally fair.
Ex-bisexual here who was in a 7 year relationship with a woman. Homosexuality of any kind is a choice.
When I was a kid, I often found myself staring at the women modeling for bras in the store. It was so instinctual, I couldnt take my eyes off it. Maybe it was a desire to look like them, or to feel them, or idk. Whatever it was, even as a child, I knew it was wrong. I FELT that it was wrong yet I didnt stop myself, it felt good. As I got older and was able to make my own choices, I wasnt in a good place mentally. I slept around, and increasingly made it worse every time and Id try things that maybe Id like until I met my ex. I genuinely felt true love for her, but the love felt...off. It was love, but not the right type of love.
I convinced myself that I was just born that way, and to accept myself. However, we broke up and I had a lot of time to think. I married my now husband and found God, but I still struggled with finding women attractive. I did some deep-diving into myself and thought "was this really how I was born? Or was I tempted from the beginning?"
As it turns out, I was. Going back to my childhood, yknow I said that it felt wrong when I looked at the bras? Like I wasnt supposed to? Albeit it was a BRIEF feeling, I focused on that feeling. It wasnt because Id get into trouble or Id be embarrassed like I thought it was.
It was conviction. As much as I enjoyed what my eyes saw, my heart was screaming at me not to do it, not to look, to behave. I rebelled against that feeling and ended up in a sinful relationship. I was my own god, and I didnt feel that conviction. I was without the Holy Spirit.
When I became Christian and actively fought the desire to look at women and fantasize about them, I became stronger and truly fought those urges away. As of today, its only once in a blue moon do I see an attractive woman, but part of the healing process has made me only stare at oddly masculine women, not feminine like I used to enjoy.
I look away and pray for strength, and I no longer find that person attractive.
Being gay IS a choice, and to those who say its "scientifically proven not to be", those people have decieved themselves down a rabbit hole so far down that they truly believe that you cant "pray the gay away", "its just who I am", "God made me this way". No, we are ALL born with sin, its inherited, and each sin attacks us differently.
Gay is lust, and for many, lust is a powerful sin that they cant fight, just as corrupt politicians cant fight their greed, or seriel killers cant fight their wrath, and so on. Couple all that with satan and his demons constantly swarming around those who are without God in their lives, and youre pretty much done for. How can you see what your sinful flaws are when youve been blinded with so much pleasure and self-worship to where you genuinely think theres nothing wrong with you? How arrogant must you be to truly think that God would purposely implant a sin within you while hand-crafting you - therefore making it "okay" to act on it? Pride is such a powerful tranquilizer, where you wont dare bow down to anyone in favor of what pleases you most. for the sake of "This is who I am!".
No, it isnt, you're a soul who is lost, blind, and as far as Satan is concerned, you're property destined to suffer with him in Hell. The worst part of it is, when you die and fall, you'll know that it was by your own hand.
I dont consider myself bisexual anymore, I consider myself a Christian who is healing from one of the worst cases of lust. God did not make me this way, He gave me free will, and I chose that path just as I now choose THIS path. I love my husband and my eyes are only for him. Ive been healed and I still got some ways to go.
Why is no one commenting on this?
I love how you showed Joe Rogen asking the question but you cut out Matt Walshes answer 😂 lmao
Hes an idiot anyways
He answer is something like, and Im paraphrasing, Joe I dont know
@@duartebarradas4581 Why would god make people pedos if he disapproves? Joe’s argument is fucking retarded. Just because god created something doesn’t not make it a sin 💀
@@pedroguilherme868 Why? How is it dumb? Sounds pretty solid to me. God made the heavens and the earth then made gay people along with the rest of us. So the question still stands. Why would god make gay people?
@@thomaschristopherwhite9043 yeah, i was going to delete this one, i think me and others have misinterpreted something, kind of a logical leap
The Bible specifically says "man shall not lay with another man and woman shall not lay with another woman".
"`Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales--whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water--you are to detest.