Christian SMASHES 10 Atheist Commandments?!? (feat

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  • What are the atheist "10 non-commandments" and how should Christians respond? Apologist Sean McDowell gives his two cents on each. Eric from Skeptics and Scoundrels joins me to respond to the responses.
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  • @skepticsandscoundrels
    @skepticsandscoundrels 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +550

    Well well well, if it isn't cartoon me!
    It was a pleasure collaborating with you Paul. Looking forward to next time!

    • @JimmyTuxTv
      @JimmyTuxTv 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      well done mate

    • @johnburn8031
      @johnburn8031 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Hello Cartoon Me 🙋🏻‍♂️

    • @0125AR
      @0125AR 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Woo 🎉 Eric!!

    • @Azho64
      @Azho64 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      You made the big time and even better cartoon hair! Great break down Eric!

    • @DrKippDavis
      @DrKippDavis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Cartoons are cool.

  • @billcook4768
    @billcook4768 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +286

    Little known fact: There were originally 15 atheist non-commandments, but the tablet on which 11-15 were written dropped and broke.

    • @WhatDreamsMayCome10Z
      @WhatDreamsMayCome10Z 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      15…I mean 10 commandments!

    • @googlestolemyhandle
      @googlestolemyhandle 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      I think of this every time the commandments are mentioned. Maybe somewhere on that last tablet not owning other people was mentioned. We'll never know.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      Actually, god initially wanted to give Moses only three commandments, but Moses expressed his disappointment because he was hoping to get at least 15. So as a good Jew he started haggling and eventually he got home with ten. 😅
      I don’t remember where I heard that joke, unfortunately I am very bad at telling them. Feel free to borrow the idea if you know how to improve on it.😊

    • @theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580
      @theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And what about our ancestors???😊

    • @utubepunk
      @utubepunk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Dog bless Mel Brooks.

  • @Chrismas815
    @Chrismas815 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +254

    "For fun" is always a screaming admission of the apologists that theyd be willing to torture children

    • @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018
      @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      "If YHWH says to do it, ..."

    • @skinnyhedgehog
      @skinnyhedgehog 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      They always mark those trips as for business, not for pleasure.

    • @ilmt
      @ilmt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Not to mention that even that doesn't apply to all humans. From recent events in Ukraine and Israel/Gaza there exists reports of finds of remains of children who seemed have been tortured and killed in ways which can only be attributed to some kind of deprived fun.
      Yes all these reports could be fake as a propaganda, but given the number I do feel that there would be some truth to that.
      Also I don't think people who would do such a thing would do it knowing it's wrong. If you know you are doing wrong and do it anyway is because you'll gain something. I don't think they would gain something by torturing children (in "fun" way) against just executing them. I don't think it would work as psychological warfare, actually the opposite if you know someone did something like that you will gain new willpower to defend yourself and your loved ones not to give up - if you know that surrender will put you in that situation, you will fight to your last breath.

    • @dirtypickle77
      @dirtypickle77 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Yes they sing songs like," lay my Isaac down". About when Abraham went to sacrifice his own son because God told him to. What % of Christians would kill their kid if they thought God ordered them to?

    • @Jcs57
      @Jcs57 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Blind obedience and feelings the religion of no personal responsibility

  • @nagranoth_
    @nagranoth_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +237

    The irony of Sean, an apologist, actually pretending to agree with
    "follow the evidence"
    "don't believe things just because you want them to be true"
    ....
    It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad..

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Considering this is the same Sean who presented as 'atheist' to an apologism class full of students, is not that surprising.

    • @Nocturnalux
      @Nocturnalux 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      The same dude who has pretended to be an atheist and delivered lectures, as such, to Christian kids.
      That’s a liar. He even told of an atheist kid who talked to him after the lecture. Still, it did not seem to occur to him how much of a betrayal this is.

    • @GeoPePeTto
      @GeoPePeTto 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      There’s someone, who keeps stating”facts not feelings”, while wearing a kippah. So yeah. It’s nothing new.

    • @utubepunk
      @utubepunk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@GeoPePeTtoWhich is why I refer to him as DisinBenuous Shapiro.

    • @noneofyourbusiness7055
      @noneofyourbusiness7055 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As I've also commented on his video, it's fascinating watching someone pay lip service to the value of research and science in understanding the natural world and following evidence where it leads... while limited in the evidence & conclusions he is allowed to accept by Biola's statement of faith, and also uncritically hosting & propping up known creationist liars.

  • @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018
    @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    "Read the book?! Who has time for that? I'll just make stuff up!"

    • @advorak8529
      @advorak8529 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I guess that is the same as they do with the bible … take a few random snippets, likely misunderstood and out of context and confabulate on that basis.

  • @dasbus9834
    @dasbus9834 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +102

    Why did nobody tell us about those commandments in last week's meeting over at Atheism headquarters?!?

    • @c.guydubois8270
      @c.guydubois8270 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Cause you're not part of the inner circle...

    • @philw6056
      @philw6056 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@c.guydubois8270 I AM el comandante of the atheist network and nobody told me, too.

    • @SilverMKI
      @SilverMKI 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Because someone rang the gong early for the baby bbq buffet and everyone went out to gorge before the announcement could be made.

    • @theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580
      @theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You didn’t get the email?

    • @c.guydubois8270
      @c.guydubois8270 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@philw6056 self proclaimed I'm sure...

  • @twill5626
    @twill5626 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    If Christian scholars actually believed in what they say they believe, they wouldn’t have to needlessly strawman every atheist argument, and would engage arguments in good faith. I refuse to believe this many Christian scholars have this much difficulty understanding the atheist arguments. This is willful ignorance, or just outright lying.

    • @Jcs57
      @Jcs57 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      If they truly feared an everlasting torture pit dishonesty wouldn’t be so prevalent amongst their group.

    • @ericmishima
      @ericmishima 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Indoctrination trains your brain to not work well. It's conditioning.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Deep down they know that it’s all bs. 😅

    • @JonathonPawelko
      @JonathonPawelko 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      This should be the example given when the definition of what a strawman argument is.

    • @TerranigmaQuintet
      @TerranigmaQuintet 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Theyre 100% lying obvioiusly, this is just one of their many silly attempts to paint atheism as a cult/religion itself, thinking its some kind of gotcha.

  • @letefte
    @letefte 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    Book: These are “Atheist Non-commandments.”
    Sean: The Atheist commandments.
    More evidence that I am 100% correct in calling these people liars, formerly known as apologists.

    • @PedroCouto1982
      @PedroCouto1982 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In that case, I think it should be given the benefit of the doubt.

  • @craigbradford4850
    @craigbradford4850 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    It’s so bizarre when the the theists add the “for fun” to these horrific acts. Why can’t we just say it’s wrong to torture children. Period. If anyone asked me I would say they’re both horrible and disgusting. I don’t need the “for fun” qualifier.

    • @logicalmusicman5081
      @logicalmusicman5081 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      They have to account for God's command and Hell. Assuming God is not doing it for "fun" but rather motivated by love.
      So you can for love.
      Amazing morals.

    • @tobinfolly901
      @tobinfolly901 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      To be fair, if it wasn't for the 'for fun' qualifier, there would be situations where one could argue that it is moral to torture a child - things like 'Is it moral to torture a child if it means that a hundred other children are spared torture?'

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      It is even more bizarre when they also describe morality as 'absolute'. But refuse to drop those weird caviats.

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​@@tobinfolly901 I would argue thay both things are immoral, one less than the other but immoral nonetheless.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It’s because they have to account for corporal punishment for children, which parents and even schools still practice. “Spare the rod… etc.”

  • @DrKippDavis
    @DrKippDavis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    @05:31 There are actually THREE versions of the Ten Words-Exodus 20; Exodus 34; Deuteronomy 5.

    • @NorbertKasko
      @NorbertKasko 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exodus 34:20 is "interesting" from a moral standpoint.

  • @sergehychko3659
    @sergehychko3659 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +83

    So, Sean is "lying for jesus". Just another day in the neighborhood.

    • @patobrien235
      @patobrien235 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Like father like son, kent and Eric hovind also spring to mind

    • @simonkoster
      @simonkoster 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I'm shocked SHOCKED I tell you!

    • @Nocturnalux
      @Nocturnalux 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Considering Sean cosplays as an atheist “professor” to Christian kids…it tracks.

  • @logicalmusicman5081
    @logicalmusicman5081 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    I cant stand the false dichotomy that was setup with bodily autonomy. Thank you for clearing that up, Paul.

  • @karachaffee3343
    @karachaffee3343 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Lying in the furtherance of the faith is a time honored tradition.

    • @bobvail1000
      @bobvail1000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "The ends justify the means" is the ultimate Christian commandment.

  • @LarryMarvin
    @LarryMarvin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Atheist commandments?! No! That's one of the great things about being an atheist. We think for ourselves.

  • @brucewilliams4152
    @brucewilliams4152 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    As an atheist, I don't have commandments. Just a lack.if demonstrable evidence for any God!

  • @cathyharrop3348
    @cathyharrop3348 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    18:25: When Sean says it is wrong to torture a child "for fun" he is implicitly saying it is alright to torture a child to get them to renounce their expressed gender identity or their sexual peference or their lack of religious beliefs. And he has to say the "for fun" because he does endorse the idea that children should be tortured "for God."

    • @RocketboyX
      @RocketboyX 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@JD-wu5pfThen I dare apologists to drop 'for fun' from their oft repeated argument.

    • @RocketboyX
      @RocketboyX 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@JD-wu5pfIt does the exact opposite that you claim, and we both know why theists use the qualifier.

    • @RocketboyX
      @RocketboyX 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JD-wu5pf That's like, your opinion man, and not really based in truth. You are imagining a need to protect against a easily dismissed scenario while ignoring the elephant in the room. But thanks for playing.

    • @patchwurk6652
      @patchwurk6652 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JD-wu5pf Specifying "For Fun" implies that there's other reasons besides "for fun" as to why someone would torture a child that are somehow less egregious.
      If you're at the point of physically torturing children, there is no reason to speak of that is the least bit acceptable. The qualifier is meaningless and only serves to raise questions as to why you included the qualifier.

    • @patchwurk6652
      @patchwurk6652 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JD-wu5pf "Which there are. I can come up with plenty of contrived hypotheticals in which "torturing children" is the best moral choice. Adding "for fun" removes the need to have conversations about those hypotheticals"
      No one who deserves entertaining would need that clarification.
      "The problem is that C- tier atheists are now getting bogged down on the phrase 'for fun' instead of addressing the actual problems with theistic morality."
      Ahhh, the problem is everyone else misunderstanding you. Gotcha.

  • @MythVisionPodcast
    @MythVisionPodcast 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    This was fantastic friends ❤

  • @user-lk7wk3cd8e
    @user-lk7wk3cd8e 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I didn’t get the Atheist Worldview Handbook when I deconverted.

    • @ChristopherSadlowski
      @ChristopherSadlowski หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You didn't? I'll contact headquarters and make sure they send it to you. How else will we destroy the world if we all don't have the manual to follow?
      /S

  • @gupdoo3
    @gupdoo3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    My personal favorite version of the golden rule is "be excellent to one another"

    • @nightshade7240
      @nightshade7240 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      party on, dudes

  • @brianroyster7510
    @brianroyster7510 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Instead of "non-commandments" how about "The Ten Suggestions."

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      "Ten Mild Advocations"

  • @philw6056
    @philw6056 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    In what world does "you do you" mean there are no responsibilities and consequences?

    • @swolejeezy2603
      @swolejeezy2603 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In fact I would argue “you do you” has the implication that you should do what you want while accepting whatever consequences arise from it. The person who says “you do you” isn’t shrugging off all responsibility, just any responsibility for your actions

  • @goldenalt3166
    @goldenalt3166 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +163

    Christians taking commandments out of context? To be fair, that's what they did to the Jewish ones, too.

    • @benkrapf
      @benkrapf 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That right there, ladies and gents, is what we call a burn.

    • @twitherspoon8954
      @twitherspoon8954 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Should we expect God to know what the Ten Commandments are?
      Which was Jesus's sixth commandment?
      (Notice that Jesus lists only the secular commandments that make no mention of God):
      1. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself:
      If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
      (Matthew 19:17-19)
      2. Honor thy father and mother:
      Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honor thy father and mother.
      (Mark 10:19)
      3. There was no sixth. Jesus listed only five commandments:
      Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and thy mother.
      (Luke 18:20)

    • @goldenalt3166
      @goldenalt3166 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@twitherspoon8954 According to Christians, we should expect only that God had a good excuse for why the Bible doesn't match their beliefs. Anything else is putting God to the test.

    • @ari1234a
      @ari1234a 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@goldenalt3166 Yahweh created Mormons so that Christians would know how Jews feel.

    • @sulas548
      @sulas548 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did anyone notice that the screen shot of Shaun's video shows that he has 244k subs and that the video is three months old and has only had 12k of views and 180 comments.
      Paul on the other hand has 127k of subs and this video has ( at time of writing)24k of views in 21 hours.

  • @TheBarelyBearableAtheist
    @TheBarelyBearableAtheist 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    When I left Christianity, I was astonished at how much more meaning and purpose I found in life now that christian mythology was no longer obstructing my view. Sean keeps expressing how unable he is to find meaning and purpose and morality in the world around us, not realizing that he's indicting his own faith. Yes, religion _does_ obstruct believers' view of the meaning and purpose that surrounds us in the world of objective reality. Thank you, Sean, for being so honest about it.

    • @rickdelatour5355
      @rickdelatour5355 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well said. Exactly my experience as well.

  • @Aanthanur
    @Aanthanur 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +102

    All religions that say lying is a sin, often have very dishonest apologists.

    • @LordOfThePancakes
      @LordOfThePancakes 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not according to atheism. Atheism actually encourages lying since the only morality atheism has to offer is get ahead by “any means possible.” When there is no foundation of principle, and atheists default to animalistic instinct, community, morality and purpose go right out the window.
      “But God proved his love for us in this; While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 1:4-1:18) ✝️

    • @NicholasMarshall
      @NicholasMarshall 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      ​@@LordOfThePancakes thanks for proving his point. Theists can't help but lie about those who reject their beliefs.

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      ​​​​@@LordOfThePancakes Nope, that is christian morality, where the first thing that matter is 'you shall have no other gods before me' by any means necesary, including lying.
      'So god loved the world that he sacrificed himself to himself for a mistake he himself commit to begin with'
      Nice try though.

    • @dirtypickle77
      @dirtypickle77 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      ​​another way to say it is, God sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself.

    • @dirtypickle77
      @dirtypickle77 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      ​@@LordOfThePancakes According to atheism? The stance most atheist have is agnostic. Christians say morality comes from God, prove that. Sensible athiest don't say where it comes from but go with evidence of where it comes from. When you make a claim, you adopt the burden of proof. You should not make claims to things you can not prove.

  • @lizsmith8454
    @lizsmith8454 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Whenever one of these apologists says, “but why be moral if there is no god?” all I hear is the spoiled teenager in a movie saying, “my parents aren’t here! We can have a huge party at my house!”

  • @AlexS-pv4rn
    @AlexS-pv4rn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Their lack of self-awareness would be comical if it weren't so sad. And so horrifying.

  • @solacedagony1234
    @solacedagony1234 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    I'm still waiting for theists to define "atheist worldview".

    • @MatecaCorp
      @MatecaCorp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Oh they define it plenty, they just make up the definitions to fit their lies

    • @75ur15
      @75ur15 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@MatecaCorp correction
      Atheist world view is sin and hates God so they turn their back....pleasure before virtue. ... REEEEEEEEEE!
      that seems to be how they define it.

    • @RiiDIi
      @RiiDIi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You can’t prove there isn’t an atheist worldview so it must be true. 😂

    • @solacedagony1234
      @solacedagony1234 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RiiDIi lol

    • @genem2768
      @genem2768 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'd like them to define the theist world view. Just the fact that there are, and have been in the past, so many different religions with different and contradicting beliefs would seem to make it impossible to have any consistent world view.

  • @UranusKiller
    @UranusKiller 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    "What good is your garden, if faeries don't live under it?"
    I grew up with Brian Froud's book, "Faeries" and a mother who was (and still is) a passionate gardener. I absolutely love this quote and the concept behind it!
    Thank you so much for a breath of inspiration for this upcoming Mother's Day!

  • @kjejon1
    @kjejon1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    "Scotty doesn't know" ( EuroTrip)

    • @muadeeb
      @muadeeb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Kept waiting for that reference

  • @DrKippDavis
    @DrKippDavis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Oh. My. God.
    Sean's son's name is "Scottie"? The material writes itself. I am laughing my ass off.

    • @drachireidnoc6659
      @drachireidnoc6659 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What’s the reference?

    • @DrKippDavis
      @DrKippDavis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@drachireidnoc6659 Austin Powers. @Paulogia has some of the clips at the beginning of the video.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Maybe I watch too many paleontology videos. First thing I thought was Scotty, the biggest T-rex specimen found so far. 😅

    • @drachireidnoc6659
      @drachireidnoc6659 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DrKippDavisoh I must have missed that. When I think of Scottie I think “beam me up Scottie”

    • @DrKippDavis
      @DrKippDavis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@pansepot1490 "Maybe I watch too many paleontology videos."
      I am going to go ahead and conclude, "Yes."

  • @logicalmusicman5081
    @logicalmusicman5081 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Shaun is interpreting off a source that is an interpretation of another source. Without knowing anything of the original source and the accuracy of the interpretation.
    His research is in line with apologetics.

  • @wilhelmschmidt7240
    @wilhelmschmidt7240 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I saw the title and was immediately like "WTF, how would that even work?", and as I see it doesn't and this is just one guy being especially dumb 😂😂😂

  • @HarryNicNicholas
    @HarryNicNicholas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    as if being religious weren't cringe enough, you have to have your dad patronise you too.

  • @johngagnon9269
    @johngagnon9269 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +108

    It's the " for fun" part that gets me. Implying that there are legitimate reasons to torture babys.

    • @jonovens7974
      @jonovens7974 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mr Diety is doing a series on Low Bar Bill and his arguments for why it was good that god ordered the murder of babies. It is absolutely horrific the lengths William L. Craig will go to to justify the objective morality bullcrap.

    • @SloMoMonday
      @SloMoMonday 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      It's a sickening way to justify the countless cases of child suffering throughout history. At this point it'd be easier to just embrace the problem of evil and say God is selectively loving because of some excuses. Maybe the Fall. They love blaming the fall.

    • @RebellionInHell
      @RebellionInHell 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I think it was just “torture babies” at first, but then someone pointed out that God does this in the Bible through events like the flood.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      No, it’s not because of ancient history. It’s because corporal punishment for children is still popular among sections of Christians. I heard that it’s still in use in some schools.

    • @RocketboyX
      @RocketboyX 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​@JD-wu5pf Why? Because adding the qualifier 'for fun' it implies that doing it but not 'for fun' is moral for a theist. Claiming that you do not understand this is a indication that you are a disingenuous person.

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Yep, atheism is not a religion it's just the answer to a question: Do you believe in the existence of god or gods, and the answer is no.

  • @imcarlabee
    @imcarlabee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Science is a better technique than prayer for arriving at truth by a factor that is impossible to overstate. All the prayer over thousands of years never got us any closer to Newton's theory of gravitation or the Germ Theory of Disease. And they never would have. In that sense, an approach informed by the scientific method is infinitely better than prayer.

    • @TheGreatAgnostic
      @TheGreatAgnostic 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not to mention the prayers of a billion Hindus don't usually lead to their discovery of the true God, or the Muslims, or the etc.

  • @EllEss331
    @EllEss331 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    11:14 "The only thing I enjoy from my atheism is my intellectual integrity." What a journey it is to get to this place!

  • @benkrapf
    @benkrapf 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    And, the article is TEN FREAKING YEARS OLD!

  • @CharlesPayet
    @CharlesPayet 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Oh, come on, guys. You didn’t actually expect an apologist to do a deep dive into information to understand its foundations, nuances, etc, did you? When do they EVER do that?

  • @charliemallonee2792
    @charliemallonee2792 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I prefer the 8 “I Really Rather You Didn’ts” given to us by the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster.

  • @uninspired3583
    @uninspired3583 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Holy balls, the word objective was bent over and just railed over and over. I'm glad Paul's guest addressed this, and did so with elequence.

  • @DocReasonable
    @DocReasonable 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Only two of the 10 commandments are laws today in any civilized country.

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      And one of those use a legal term anyway, so the law existed before the bible tried to hijack the idea.

    • @SilverMKI
      @SilverMKI 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And even then there are exceptions. "Thou shall not kill - unless the government is instructed by its paymasters who want to go somewhere sandy with oil and change the ruling regime."

  • @corringhamdepot4434
    @corringhamdepot4434 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    From CNN website, "The contest drew more than 2,800 submissions from 18 countries and 27 U.S. states, according to Bayer and Figdor. The proposed “non-commandments” ranged from the quizzical (“Don’t follow your nature”) to the quixotic (“Thriving in space is the ultimate goal”). A team of 13 judges selected 10 of the more sober and serious submissions, and announced the winners Friday".

    • @MatecaCorp
      @MatecaCorp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      2800 people is a modestly sized Discord server. Hardly a far reaching study.

    • @christasimon9716
      @christasimon9716 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Why my "Don't be part of the problem; be the entire problem" commandment was not chosen, I can only ascribe to blatant favoritism on the part of the judges.

  • @TheLivingDinosaur
    @TheLivingDinosaur 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I have to say that I, for one, am very grateful to Sean for this wonderful example of the quality of the research being conducted at Biola "University". With such lofty and impeccable standards of academic rigor, it's little wonder that this august institution is able to attract intellectual leviathans such as Sean and Mr. William Lane Craig.

  • @SilverMKI
    @SilverMKI 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Lmao at the Dr Evil inserts.

  • @nodengineer1580
    @nodengineer1580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Most Christians, I myself was one of them, are brought up taught to believe that, yes, you are worthless without God. Even as an ex-Christian now, I really struggle with seeing value and worth in myself. I never built those muscles for myself, and therefore my worth has ALWAYS been determined outside of myself. Sean might very well feel worthless if god was proven to be false

    • @nodengineer1580
      @nodengineer1580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JD-wu5pf yeah I’m not sure that’s the most helpful outlook for individuals like me…

  • @blahsaysme2u
    @blahsaysme2u 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Exjw here and you have new sub eric!!! Loved this paul- you have helped so many learn to think critically..

  • @johnburn8031
    @johnburn8031 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Fun fact. In the Bible the "Ten Commandments" are not called the Ten Commandments in Hebrew. A better translation would be the "Ten Words."
    Here are my favourite Ten Commandments:
    Yes, it's blank for a reason! 😉

    • @reformCopyright
      @reformCopyright 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Oh, come on, you have to agree that boiling a goat in its mother's milk is evil and that a commandment against it is funny!

    • @johnburn8031
      @johnburn8031 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@reformCopyright I really don't get that Commandment. Did Moses have a friend who thought their kid* cooked in its mother's milk was an awesome recipe? 🤷🏻‍♂
      *Not their child, just to clarify, but the mother goats bsby.

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@johnburn8031 It would taste better with paprika, but that wasn't available before trade with the New World. If only the ancestors of the Mormons had thought to send their wooden submarines back to the Levant we wouldn't have had to wait for so long.

    • @johnburn8031
      @johnburn8031 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RichWoods23 I thought paprika was from India. 🤷🏻‍♂

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnburn8031 Capsicums are native to the Americas. It's ironic that Columbus was aiming to reach the Indies to take advantage of the spice trade when he discovered the Americas, yet while he and the subsequent European explorers brought solanaceae plants back to Europe arguably their most significant adoption (other than for potatoes) was in the Indies.

  • @brightargyle8950
    @brightargyle8950 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    An apologist misrepresenting, misunderstanding or lying? Not supplying a link to source material? Not reading the article they're discussing? I'm shocked!
    Good video though, thank you for addressing this one and calling Sean out for this.

  • @Ayelmar
    @Ayelmar 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    My personal version of the "do unto others" "commandment" is "Do unto others as they would have you do unto them." Not unlike the 8th "(non-) commandment" mentioned.
    As I explain it, I enjoy a good ham sandwich, and if you gave me one, I'd really appreciate it. But for my Jewish and Muslim friends, it's no treat at all -- and for my friends with Celiac Disease, it could become a medical emergency.
    So, ask. Communicate. Find out what your neighbors want and need, and do what you can to help.

  • @Anonymouthful
    @Anonymouthful 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Imagine how miserable people like Sean would be if they didnt have religion to validate their existance.

    • @Rhewin
      @Rhewin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s definitely not fun when you lose it, but so much better when you realize you get to find your own validations and meanings.

  • @seraphonica
    @seraphonica 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    with Sean and Scottie trying to make these into Commandments, it made me think of the George Carlin routine about how he'd revise the Commandments. good stuff.

  • @CharlesDriver-hj4xp
    @CharlesDriver-hj4xp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You had me at "you don't boil goat in milk"😂🤣

  • @brandonhill1096
    @brandonhill1096 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You had me at your first comment about how atheists would respond to hearing we have commandments!!! How completely ridiculous.

  • @gagaplex
    @gagaplex 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I didn't even know we had commandments. I thought we are the proverbial herd of cats. 😂

  • @jonnekallu1627
    @jonnekallu1627 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    "CNN new atheist commandments"
    Wait! What were the old CNN atheist commandments?

  • @magicpigfpv6989
    @magicpigfpv6989 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thumbs up just for the Scotty cut! 🎉

  • @cggambill
    @cggambill 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    People who can't determine right from wrong are called sociopaths/psychopaths because they lack empathy, not because lack "god".

  • @Nocturnalux
    @Nocturnalux 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Let’s not forget that Sean has pretended to be “an atheist professor” to an audience at a Christian college. He saw no issues with doing this and more than once, too.
    Basically, he lied to a bunch of kids while strawmaning “the other side”. He even mentions an atheist kid who was in the audience and spoke to him afterwards and still did not see how much of a betrayal this is.
    As someone who was a kid in Catholic school, such a stunt would have been an insult, at best.
    So all this talk of “pursuing truth” is just absurd coming from him.

    • @Rhewin
      @Rhewin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And he didn’t bother steelmanning the atheist position. Or, if he did, it shows how little he understands the atheist perspective.

    • @Nocturnalux
      @Nocturnalux 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Rhewin All he did was strawman it. Dude even wore glasses, that he does not normally wear, because it was cosplay.
      He did not just lie about being an atheist but a professor at a university.

    • @Rhewin
      @Rhewin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Nocturnalux normally he presents it as the “Atheist Experience” for churches, and they know what he’s doing. For some reason his professor buddy thought the deception would be a good idea. Genetically Modified Skeptic at least was grateful that Sean’s message was about listening to atheists instead of talking over them, but also found it disappointing they weren’t willing to talk to a real atheist.

    • @Nocturnalux
      @Nocturnalux 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Rhewin I was an atheist in Catholic school, if he had pulled this stunt on me, I would have been angry beyond belief.
      Even done once, it is very telling that he could just stand there for over an hour, lying to kids.
      I mean, forget how unfair this is to atheists. It is disrespectful to the audience. There was even an atheist girl who came talk to him after the lecture and he still did not see how gross this was to her.

  • @markgiles3
    @markgiles3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I thought Sean said, torturing children for fun was a bad thing to do. Poor Scotty.

  • @krzyszwojciech
    @krzyszwojciech 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "All truth is proportional to the evidence".
    More like all belief is or at least should be proportional to the evidence.
    Truth itself is the horizon where we want to point our beliefs, hopefully better and better approximating it with time.

  • @GreatgoatonFire
    @GreatgoatonFire 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Man, that beaker full of strawberries has to be the silliest stock video I've seen it a while.

    • @skepticsandscoundrels
      @skepticsandscoundrels 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Scientist Log, Entry 108: "Yep. Still strawberries."

  • @rebeccazegstroo6786
    @rebeccazegstroo6786 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Sean's "objective good" includes proselytizing even when people say, "no thanks, heard it". He might go so far (but doesn't say out loud) as to think forcing people to believe what he believes is loving.

  • @jessezeck9818
    @jessezeck9818 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Ok, we need a handbook or something. These theists know ALLL of our rules, and I have not been notified of any of these ever.

  • @danflumerfelt2247
    @danflumerfelt2247 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "Isn't torturing a kid for fun" exactly what God did to Abraham's kid? Calling it a test of obedience doesn't make it any less scaring for the kid.

  • @h.l.aristosolies5292
    @h.l.aristosolies5292 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Scotty wants to continue the family grift.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Easier than getting an actual job.

    • @tidallock848
      @tidallock848 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Too bad he has even less charisma and stage presence than his dad. Maybe he should just be a youth pastor or a drummer for the worship team.

  • @mattdrat3087
    @mattdrat3087 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    So sad to see his son nodding along with the ridiculous garbage flowing so freely from his fathers mouth...

  • @christopherbrzezinski1743
    @christopherbrzezinski1743 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What are these atheist commandments and why was I not informed by any of the secret societies?

  • @elainejohnson6955
    @elainejohnson6955 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Excellent guest! Thanks, Eric and Paulogia!

  • @laurajarrell6187
    @laurajarrell6187 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Paulogia, great video, I love the collab with Skeptics and Scoundrels ! I think Sean wants to keep as many liking him as possible!👍💙💙💙🥰✌

  • @uribensh
    @uribensh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great video, thanks !

  • @CrimWorld9
    @CrimWorld9 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    When he mentioned that do onto others what is their objective best is the most HORRIFYING LINE I COULD EVER EAR
    Because everyone knows what they mean when they say 'objective'

  • @charlesloeffler333
    @charlesloeffler333 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    When I was in high school and if my dad had ever answer any question with in a happy voice weaving his way between solid statements, I would have known he was hiding something

  • @claybfx
    @claybfx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I can’t believe he’d ask Scottie; it’s been well established that Scottie doesn’t know.

  • @Julian0101
    @Julian0101 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    13:17 I love how sean mentions how god, a mind, *subjectively* gave us the ability to check truth and thus is valuable, but his critic is that atheism *doesnt have an objective* way to find value on it.

  • @acerx203
    @acerx203 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    At this point apologists are just lying to keep their "flocks" and their paychecks.

  • @tiffanyh1274
    @tiffanyh1274 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It’s gotta be more than frustrating to be misrepresented by these two. I’m not an atheist but I see how people can view Christians as arrogant. The least they could have done was read the article. Just lazy. It’s not the right thing to do. Great video.

  • @Azho64
    @Azho64 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Eric has made it he is now a cartoon! And great input and hair Eric great video to both of you and a great take down of Sean.

  • @UnKnown-xs7jt
    @UnKnown-xs7jt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for your hard work in creating these presentations

  • @BrettCoryell
    @BrettCoryell 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Wait, Sean didnt read the book, cite his sources, or fairly characterize atheists? Its almost like he doesnt care about the truth!

  • @avi8r66
    @avi8r66 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    That need to identify an authority figure before caring about the idea is just insane. "You should drink muratic acid"... "Yeah? Who says? If it's not a rule from a supernatural being then I don't care."

  • @Marconius6
    @Marconius6 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I dunno man, the one about boiling a baby goat in its mother's milk? That's a classic, can't replace that.

    • @cullenjohnson0
      @cullenjohnson0 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What if you braise instead of boiling?

  • @crassbusinessman3122
    @crassbusinessman3122 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Paul....I love you dude. These cuts always take me back to a wonderful time in cinema. Gets me every time XD

  • @iseriver3982
    @iseriver3982 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So much for Thou Shalt Not Lie, Sean.

    • @Rhewin
      @Rhewin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      See that’s the fun part: that’s not a commandment. It says not to bear false witness, so apologists can lie for God all they want.

  • @l-l
    @l-l 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Why do they think atheism is centralized?

    • @istvansipos9940
      @istvansipos9940 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      they don't. But they KNOW that they can make a lot of sheeple believe that.
      selling strawmen and w0rd salad

    • @NewNecro
      @NewNecro 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They can't imagine a system different from theirs so everything should be a reflection (more technically projection) of theirs.
      So Atheism must also have sacred books ("On The Origins.." or just any science textbook), prophets (usually Darwin), places of worship where they're preached to (varying degrees of educational facilities) even though any of those falls out of comparison at minimal scrutiny. But just having faith is enough.

    • @mathiasbartl903
      @mathiasbartl903 หลายเดือนก่อน

      because freedom is unimaginable

  • @tjn6278
    @tjn6278 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    that intro was great 🤣

  • @thedude0000
    @thedude0000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wait...the article is from a DECADE AGO!!!

  • @dlee112
    @dlee112 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Eric’s commentaries knock it out of park!

  • @graladue
    @graladue 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I would disagree slightly with the assertion "the world is real". I don't think we can definitely say that. I much prefer "The World appears to be real given the current evidence of our senses.".

    • @Rogstin
      @Rogstin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This entirely depends on what one means by real.

  • @traviswolcott
    @traviswolcott 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How about it is wrong to torture anyone..... for any reason.

  • @denisep9497
    @denisep9497 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Well done, guys. 👏

  • @noodlekeeper5150
    @noodlekeeper5150 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "He's not out to challenge himself" is such a harsh indictement of Sean's character. I agree with Eric. I think Sean is never looking to challenge his views, and really test them.

  • @Sephiroth144
    @Sephiroth144 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    First question- WTF are the "Atheist Ten Commandments"
    Second question- WTF cares, cuz Atheism isn't a religion.

  • @omarvasquez6851
    @omarvasquez6851 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Bible says that I was made in the image of god, I guess that explains why I am an Atheist.

  • @michaelstanet7453
    @michaelstanet7453 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Here's a radical idea, instead of just making up what you thing the people who don't agree with you believe, you could just ask them.

  • @richardsmith6830
    @richardsmith6830 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great program!

  • @jursamaj
    @jursamaj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    18:19 As soon as he said "torture a child", I knew "for fun" was coming right after. These professional apologists *always* put it that way. Because they have to, since their god is perfectly fine with torturing children.
    21:05 How is nakedness harming people? This is pure nonsense.
    28:00 This is interesting. Sean is to be committed to your objective best. Which *he* gets to determine, and impose on you. This is just his excuse for doing whatever *he* wants to do.
    35:30 Christians absolutely do *not* agree on the 10 Commandments, neither what they are nor what they mean.

  • @masscreationbroadcasts
    @masscreationbroadcasts 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This could go a couple of ways:
    1) Some atheist or organization made an actual list
    2) They're observations about atheists that generally tend to be true.
    If it's 2, I hope it's insightful.

  • @bitcores
    @bitcores 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I skipped to the end just to be sure, but the mugs are also suspiciously positioned to be displaying the text on them and never move.

  • @vadim666er
    @vadim666er 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I could live with daily Paulogia uploads