Taxes, NHS, immigration: Starmer and Sunak clash in first election TV debate
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- Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer went head to head in the first TV debate before the general election on 4 July.
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The debate was dominated by a row on taxes after the prime minister repeatedly told the audience Keir Starmer would raise families' taxes by £2,000. Starmer responded by calling this nonsense. The two party leaders went on to debate immigration, the Rwanda scheme, funding the NHS and what their plans are to help the younger generation.
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#KeirStarmer #RishiSunak #Debate #Politics #GeneralElection
We are not voting for the best party, we are voting for the least worst. Terrifying.
The illustration of choice
Welcome to American style politics.
Both Labour & tories lean left
Uk brought this upon their selves by voting against AV
That’s been the case for decades.
I don't like Sunak but also I must admit Mr Starmer doesn't give any reason on how he will resolve issue
Starmer needs to use the rest of the debates to convince people he has a plan, not discredit the Tories. The Tories have already discredited themselves.
@@mattv5935you need to read the labour website mate. It’s very easy if you’re genuinely interested.
There’s videos of his missions too.. if you need it spoken to you.
Never wanted Sunak as PM, but he had clearer answers on things like tax, inflation, and migration.
@@michellea9857 Sunak was chancellor BEFORE he was PM, HE IS THE CURRENT PROBLEM!!
@@ascgazz my reference was to his performance in the debate
Starmer says the answer is wrong but doesn’t tell you the correct answer.
he was constantly shouted over and cut off and then they moved one 😂
Starmer just picks out things that are failing that no one can resolve ... he has no plans nor any way around it.
That's a politician
@@Greyjayjayfailing because of the tories…. You forgot that part.
@@aleccap5946was just about to say, welcome to politics.
Starmer is typical politician never answers a straight question.
They are both non-visionaries.
He would be able to answer questions if he was allowed to talk
Rishi just replies with lies - the NHS waiting lists are coming down. Cost of living crisis is improving - BS BS BS
Starmer talks rubbish. No substance to any of it and using the publics current unsettlement to power his narrative. The reason rishi started butting in was because he never got to answer. Yet he let starmer have his say.
When one person silences the other I start thinking...why...do they not think we can hear both sides then make our own minds up.
I prefer to be assumed capable of weighing arguments myself rather than given a no.choice.
Courtroom tactics maybe.
@@paulurwin1232yes because Labour who run the Welsh NHS have done such a great job over the last 30 years dude
We're f@*ked.
😅
@SamuelEMPowell131
*Yawn*
@@captainjames4649 The yawn being in bold kind of defeats the message. Like your yelling YAWN
@SamuelEMPowell131if ur Brit than with Reform u win, why u ask?
Immigration at this level it's not sustainable, look at rents prices, house prices, all that drive the prices of most of the things.
But people ignore that reality and still whine that they can't afford to live.
Resources are not unlimited, and it's not like people don't want immigration, it's just they want it at reasonable levels.
Very briefly:
Anyone: Starmer, what are you going to do?
Starmer: he....
Starmer: he....
Starmer: he....
Keir Stammer
Horrible format 45 seconds? Really?
It felt like a game show 🤦🏽♀️
They'll be some longer ones i think, cuz trying to debate huge issues in 45 seconds just leads to insults
45 seconds is plenty of time if they tried to answer questions, but they don't, they ramble on blaming each other as they always do until their time runs out. If they had 2 minutes a piece you would see 2 minutes of the same rambling with even more insults once they run out of things to say.
It’s not politics. This is a drama show
why is keir starmer avoiding allthe questions and just complaining?
cause annoying Sunak is right in that labour have no plan
Because the real answers are unpalatable to the people who it would actually benefit. NHS underfunded, Councils underfunded, national services in general underfunded? The money has to come from somewhere, which is why tax cuts are insane. The only people who benefit long term from tax cuts are the rich who own private companies. This is why there are oligarchs in Russia after the fall of the USSR.
It’s almost as if rishi knows Keir is gonna be PM so is genuinely interested what he’s gonna do when he becomes PM lol 😂
This is all frustrating, cut the mic when an over talk or outbursts, all very tiresome!
After this debate, its safe to say Kier isnt as smart as we all thought He was.
He struck me as intellectually not up to the job of running the uk.
Yeah, 5 years of watching PMQs will have shown you that. Always a complaint but never a solution.
Smarter than you!
These people manage to get your votes! That's all they want from you. That and your tax money!
Where as you think they actually care about you?!
Not very smart on your part!
"Safe to say, it takes intelligence to see intellect..
I also thought this
Starmer was clearly without any points to put across. Completely unprepared? When asked what you going to do, just blank reaction.
Agreed. Not clever enough.
So you didn’t like, for instance, his defence of the ECHR?
I'd vote for cockroach before I vote the Tories in AGAIN.
@@TH-cammessedupmyhandle human rights needs to be reformed. Human rights should not be granted to the inhumane criminals of the world. How is it right that criminals can disregard their victims humans rights, yet when it comes to facing justice the criminals can be protected by human rights. The whole thing has become a joke. Enough of the criminal sympathy, change is needed.
@@davida4641 the whole point of human rights is that they are inalienable, but it’s a false equivalence to say that means people can’t be punished for wrongdoing. They still can, it’s just that politicians can’t take away the basics because if they could that’s a risk to everyone (as history demonstrates).
Its like voting for either slamming your hand in a car door or getting hit by a brick
While been on fire
Embarrassments this the best we got UK???
Sadly the supposed leaders are weak . You would think Rishi has enough money to go into the sunset but he’s trying to make sure his 35th grandson gets a share of the British public funds. And as for Keir he’s no better or even worse to come.
Vote workers part of Britain. ❤
No it’s not the best, we have reform as an option
Shouldn't just be these two in TV put the rest of the prats on TV and the British people will demand Reform! And I don't mean the party ...
Who else did you have in mind??
@@christhompson4170
Reform would impose a catastrophe on this country that would make the Axis powers blush.
Starmer throwing a hissy fit under slight pressure. Very reassuring.
Couldn't be further from what actually happened
WONT GET FOOLED AGAIN - THE WHO ---- give it a listen, there will be no improvement in your lives with Labour or Tory, vote for something else.
Spot the Tory shill. Tricky tricky, trying to split the vote. Tories out
I love the Video of the Who at Shepperton studio. Best song ever?
Exactly. Starmer has no plans or ideas. He talks about immigration but won't let it happen. And behind the scenes counts on minority votes...as he can't fool long term uk residents.
Workers party of Britain ❤
Labour will drop the absurd Rwanda plan. Definitely keep us in the ECHR. They will make the water companies clean up their business. And NHS waiting lists will be properly tackled. Just for a start. School funding and housing will be next on the to do list. The CONservatives will do nothing. So how are they the same?
Typical Starmer, can't back anything up with actual plans. He's absolutely useless, just says he will fix everything but can't say how.
As George Galloway said they are nothing but two halves of the same posterior!
Loool, people clapping when he said he was willing to leave the European Convention on Human Rights. Dont think they understand what that means
We need to leave the ECHR that is the main reason why we cannot get rid of the roles for migrants.
They’re clapping cause they do know 😂
They will replace it with a new set of bills, british ones, you will not lose your human rights it will just be down to a British judge rather than one outside of the UK.
The ECHR is a ridiculous globalist idea and should have no bearing on national law.
Yeah, leave that and form our own bill of rights....that has been the plan for years
I thought there was more than 2 political parties in this country ? How wrong am I !
There will be other debates
Starmer may have been ineffective but it made Sunak look self entitled and arrogant
Which he is.
I'm an independent and I have to say sunak was a lot more clear and knowledgeable stammer was not very clear at all and he should have spoken up for himself and if he can't then he's in the wrong job
I'm disappointed to be honest i liked stammer too.
Keir Starmer was very clear. He specified which taxes he was going to raise and what loopholes he was going to shut. He wants to deal with the Calais backlog whilst working with international police to deal with the criminal smuggler gangs that are getting the people onto the boats to come over. Finally, he said he wants to protect our human rights. Pretty simple really. @@Felled-angel
Let’s face it these beauty contests add nothing. We don’t have a presidential system.
Look? He's disconnected from reality and out of touch. He can't even use a hammer correctly 😂
Why are we even having these debates? We vote for parties, not presidents.
exactly. And we had this "debate" with all conservatives a few years ago. Like we could vote on it. lol. What the point in this show. no other party leaders where asked to join.Why is ITV hosting it and not the BBC, that's their f'n job.
Because the system wants to give you the perception that you only have two options. Which is false. There are many parties to vote for.
It’s an opportunity for the leaders should have opportunities to set out their party’s platform.
But I agree it highlights debating skills, which are not really that important.
? presidents ?
because they voice party policies
REFORM "to make an improvement to a system, a law, an organization, etc., in order to make it more effective"
I was so disappointed that Rishi Sunak was allowed to interrupt on numerous occasions by Julie
Didn’t they both do this on numerous occasions?
They both interrupted on numerous occasions. The most frustrating thing was the Mr Starmer refused to answer any question with a straight forward answer.
Sunak was like a broken record, stuck in a groove repeating the same lines.
Money talks
They both did it.
Struggling to spot the difference? You are not alone.
Possibly need to go to Specsavers? Vastly different policy, different backgrounds, different world views. I'm not a fan of everything Starmer has been doing, but it's ludicrous to compare him to Sunak.
They are miles apart on their immigration policies.
Shariah for UK
son of Owner of a tool company , posh toff who went to law school is a QC , leftist policies of tax and spend .Sunak Indian class system went to a posh school ,became a bankster and is rich and likes big gov and spending .Yes honey baked so different in background and ideology xx
Name different policies honey baked ,as you said vast ? Nationalizing rail which is administered by gov at present with huge tax payer subs ? Creating a non debt creating energy company like what they did with nationalizing oil and gas years ago ?
Starmer said resolve it by talking to the Doctors?
So there was a debate between 2 fools that wouldn't answer each others questions? How are we the citizens, got to a point where this is ok and that we allow this?
Sunak answered..... Starmar didn't
@@darkraptor4203 rematch it and you will see sunak went around the houses on questions aswell. Don't just watch the highlights.
How ll u resolve it?
How ll u resolve it...
Should talk about the new immigration law, where British Citzens must earn atleast £38,000 so their foreign wife/husband can enter this country? Just a reminder this immigration policy, they must additionally a-priori purchase their NHS for 3 years before entry into the country too. And so, they dont "drain" anything, as they're not able.
70% of UK workers in this country don't earn £38,000 a year.
Its the most genuine immigration possible. Its a policy against British citizens.
Labour if in power should scrap this unlawful and draconian law.
as an immigrant i pay for nhs for all full years, on top of my taxed income. the law is draconian and effects honest immigrants.
No way
@@user-zc7uk9dn2xit’s the same in Australia, you cannot claim any benefits for two years and you get public health same as the nhs
You really don't make any sense.
Too many immigrants that's the problem look how they travel through safe country's just to be in Britain one reason benefits. Sunal is trying to stop this
No difference between two. I will vote independent
Vote reform UK
@jtmeister8530 if you vote reform ots definitely a vote to get Starmer in power.
My wife and me are carers. I am the dependent . She used to be a student. I work for NHS. What about your immigration rules on dependents please ?
It's like watching two children fighting over a toy.
You seen the American debates they are ten times worse
@@michellea9857yeah but those actually matter
They're like school kids in a debate club😂😭
Rishi been getting hyped on the new Bad Boys film….”WHATYA GONNA DOO??!!”
Not a single question or mention of Brexit. This policy has affected every facet of UK life yet it’s ignored.
Conservatives want to ignore brexit (cuz its their mess), and labor cant bring it up as they will be called remoaners and clinging onto the past, deadlocked situation...
Let it go we are never joining the EU ever again
@@rossicourvosi218 tell you what, show me a SINGLE, tangible Brexit benefit and I’ll ‘let it go’.
Appalling moderation. Sunak was allowed to spout this fictitious £2000 claim (concocted with figures put forward by conservative advisors btw - not labour policies) and any time Starmer tries to respond it was “we’ll talk about tax later”. Ridiculous.
Exactly. All I could see this entire debate was Rishi Sunak's spiteful little face, constantly shouting, interupting, lying, making false accusations like a school playground bully - the moderator totally failed to control him - but the moment Starmer went to speak she raised her pen and kept saying "ok, time is up". Absolutely painful to watch.
@@dave_dw34 Yes the way Rishi is behaving in this video clip is somewhat disgusting. He's a sitting Prime Minister he should be acting in a much more professional manner and certainly shouldn't be flat out lying
The claims he made about Labour's tax policies are completely FALSE and there is plenty of documentation that proves that. Starmer really really should have just started saying repeatedly "YOU JUST LIED, THAT ISN'T TRUE"
@@babybluesky9238 Spot on. I also think Starmer should have requested a pause in the debate to question why Sunak is being allowed to not only shout - but to ask the questions! It's supposed to be the audience and moderator asking questions, not Sunak.
Any serious moderator would have fact checked the £2000 tax claim, and told Rishi, live on air, that he is lying and his claim is false.
Watching how antagonistic and bully-like Rishi was during this exchange , it's worrying to think this is the leader of our country - and has made me hope even more than i already did that they face a total wipeout in the general election.
That's a lie.....
It's all irrelevant really. Neither are suitable to lead this country or seem desirable to the electorate. If I do bother voting it will be for an independent. Some will see this as a wasted vote but, so it would be for anyone else
Is this election a case of better the devil you know than the devil you don't?
Thanks
Where the other party leaders.
We needed Reform and LibDems there as well.
Why should they be there? It's only Starmer and Sunak for government
This was intense gotta check full thing
5:00 You are part of Europe, it’s not a “foreign court”. The European Convention of Human Rights are simply codified human rights standards. The arrogance of this man!!
Appalling job by the moderator. Her entire job was to provide both candidates to explain their policy positions and constructively argue their merits.
She literally just let Sunak talk over Starmer every time he tried to talk.
Useless to even watch debates run that poorly.
No she didn't.
@@jane9875 Yes she did
@jane9875 Oh yes she did. Especially in the first half. It was appalling and a lot of people have noticed it.
I think she did and Starmer came across as the least angry and petulant of the two .
As an English man, I'm so disgusted with this. Grown men acting like kids. Vote for Reform.
Would also like to hear what Reforms plans are for NHS
Who are the Conservatives...😂😂😂😂
People are so Blind Time Come Conservative Must go Vote Labour For Change 14 years of Ressessions Conservative is not for the Poor
You could read it since it's on their website. But I will tell you what their REAL plan is; privatisation. It is farages long held desire to have a US style insurance based system that will prevent you accessing healthcare unless you want to bankrupt yourself.
Farage has previously said that he wants to replace the NHS with a private insurance system. So basically healthcare that only few can afford.
@@Geffo555well nhs will be accessible for the common person again and have a humane waiting time
Sunak sounds like Will from the Inbetweeners 😂
I can't believe they clapped the leaving of the echr
It's a great idea
Why not
@@booey28
Do you want to lose your rights? Because that's a surefire way to install a dictatorship.
@@Lisa-xl8ql if you're not a human
At least we know what the Tory’s stand for. This entire debate starmer just pointed and said “Tory bad!!!!”
The UK needs reform.
Reform are just a more extreme version of the Tories.
We do but we all know who’s won before the election it’s clear as day unfortunately
At this point, I would rather have Jeremy Clarkson! 😂😂😂
When she asked about her gas bill, (edit :) sunak side stepped and starmer feigned empathy. How's about reduild the Nord stream or equivalent.
Will there be DEI policies in place with regards to national service?
Who is bill sunak?
Edit: following an edit to the post above, this joke now falls rather flat.
And can I opt to be paid in the new national digital currency so you can control my spending please. I'd love to own nothing and be something, something dark side lol
Starmer says "well resolve that" but how??? He didn't answer!
They never involve other parties. They're forcing people to only know about their main 2
Yeah billions for the unions and bad management can waste along with all the millions they waste on a daily basis now. Using the NHS for votes is not an option in 2024 the tax payer is now awake.
Was that a debate or a Tory party political broadcast?
No, kier was just pretty awful. Both cut from the same cloth, dodging any real answers
Whoever wins we all lose.
I won't be voting for either of these two. Isn't it a shame when the two supposed leading candidates are not worth voting for. Neither are inspiring, both lack vision for this country's future and both leave a distinct impression that whoever wins the election we will all be in for more of the same. For me, this is an election of no hope. Politics in this country is a complete turn off.
you took the words out of my mouth. It was embarrassing to watch our next prime minister behaving like a couple of teenagers in a school yard.
It's the culmination of the decades long Americanisation process of Britain. From TV shows, to restaurants to society as a whole. Too many people fixated on sports and Netflix to worry about the continuous decay and criminal depravity of their towns and cities, always looking at someone else to spot and stop the rot etc. These two candidates are only a mere reflection of modern Britain as a whole. Real change in Britain starts with who people see in the mirror every morning.
Waiting lists are what they are because we dont have enough doctors who are specialising. The government, both labour and tory, have not funded enough jobs for doctors to enter specialty training . It is nothing to do with industrial action. Why are you waiting 1 year for your hip replacement? Because there arent enough orthopaedic doctors or anaesthetic doctors.
What taxes ????
Starmer is so unrealistic. Here he was told to answer Sunak what he would do if Labour wins GE but he couldn't answer.
Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which should be shared by the community.”
So where was kermit the frog in this show?
💩 show. None of these parties are worth a vote.
Not a single mention of sky high rent prices? When will this be tackled??
Starmer has no plan to bring down immigration.
Looks like the kids off to boot camp then 😂
Sunak- You were FIRED in the middle of your term. No one would vote for you again. Don’t waste your time!
He did actually say how he would resolve the strikes. Through negotiations. Hes not going to say on live TV what offer he's going in with because he hasn't started negotiating yet. A lot of people say he doesn't have a plan but if you cut out the noise he does actually answer the questions.
The interviewer is so one sided it’s embarrassing, she only allows the PM to talk freely but stammer is always cut short.
Stop blaming the referee because Starmer is useless. Literally almost any one in the country could have performed better than Sunak with his record yet somehow Starmer messed up.
@@archvaldor agreed, he seemed blank for the most simple questions. Lack of preparation? I don't know.
We need Proportional Representation. I'm fed up of this adversarial politics
Two wings of the same bird .
They are both hypocrites and cannot be trusted. Talk talk talk..
Sunak already criticizing reform for the boat crisis ?? 14 years they’ve had what a fruit loop
Absolute mockery.
rishi is just embarrasing himslef at this point
he actually answered the question unlike keir that was just blaming
At least rishi actually had points to back up with his plan of action. Starmer was quick to criticise but offered no solutions
@@vladimirvladimirovichputin1352 What answers does he have for the Tories decimating the UK for the last 14 years? A televised debate does not make up for 14 years of astronomical decline.
Sir Keir. When you putting up the taxes. August perhaps ?
Yawn
I just came here for the comments
Cornershop vs Brylcream boy what a choice.
This is the guy who won a landslide? By the looks of it, Sunak was actually asking him reasonable questions and even providing his own solutions of dealing with the issue. Starmer kept complaining but refused to offer his own solutions.
What have these two said different from what they say to each other every Wednesday afternoon on PMQs, utterly a waste of time
I don't think I'll be voting at all
Vote reform
"Please, gentlemen, we will lower our voices." Legend.
Probably the first leadership debate where the majority of the voting public dislike both candidates in roughly equal measure.
I have had great service from the NHS after a heart attack. They have carried out three procedures in a year and got me through heart rehab. I was expecting a really shoddy service but found it very smooth and efficient. What is keeping waiting lists high is junior doctors disrupting patient treatment with a 35% pay claim. There are now more doctors than jobs so the laws of supply and demand dictate the salary.
Vote Reform UK 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This was way too civil. Expected more memes. 0/10
It's time for David Miliband to return!
The format is very childish. I wonder how other European countries would do it.
I don’t like any but Starmer has no idea
rishi's done
And 😂
1 billionaire, 1 liar, 1 cup.
Never forget Sunak made millions when the company he worked for caused the financial crash
There's no opposition
Taxes are controlled by the government and need to come down for everyone ultimately.
Why are we not allowing all possible candidates on the stage to battle it out. Notice, we are only offered the 2 that most detest, who made this choice for us?.
The UK must have better minds than this. How did we end up with having to choose between these two?
It's bad, but look at the US.
I'd pick the UK any day
Vote Reform Uk. Vote Nigel Farage.
@@Hamolelklek He's just as bad. All he cares about is the EU and immigration. He'd probably like to see the NHS gone, just like the Tories.
@@Hamolelklek
No thanks 🤮
We move from twiddle D to twiddle Dumb. No real option.
Pension tax by Labour??