OMG NOT AGAIN, Are We CURSED?!! 😳
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- I swear if we didn't have bad luck we'd have no luck at all lately. On Christmas Eve the temperatures dropped below freezing across most of the Eastern US, causing power outages, rolling blackouts, frozen pipes and other weather damage. Our Grundfos deep water well pump stopped working once again so we were without water for almost 10 days. Fortunately none of our pipes froze since we built a nicely insulated well house, but we have had to replace this pump twice in the 4 years since we drilled this new well. I'm beginning to think the quality of Grundfos well pumps are not what they used to be. We're thankful for the crew at Blue Ridge Water Works in Boone, NC for once again pulling the 440 feet of well pipe and once again replacing this well pump. You never realize how much you take your water system for granted, until you have no water.
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Behonest you just missed the construction traffic 🤣, Hope you'll had a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Wow, there's a house there! Did I miss some videos? Thanks for sharing your pump issues!🌈❤️🌍✌️
I did watch the other well videos. I could not recall the depth of the upper water level. say example, 300 ft water top , 400 pump depth . My 5 generation well guy said the reason my well pump lasted 35 years ( old 2 wire , made in america) was the pump was only down 40 feet in a 110 ft deep well. the deeper the pump , the greater the % and volume of grit the pump has process. Might be a bad thing to consider shortening the pipe by a few sections? Looks like the rest of the house is doing wonderful . Maybe a energy use update in the future. I have enjoyed your family's journey and lessons you have shared.
you have the patience of a saint. I would have been ballistic.
Thank goodness for the warranty service. I would be having a serious fit..
👍👍👍👍👍 - thanks for the included info in the description. It gives a clearer picture of the problem. I almost feel the the expression "sorry for your loss" is more appropriate for this situation than where it is usually applied.
Thank you. The plumber was ripping out my mom's wall this afternoon. God Bless and stay safe.
The well pumps I've worked on all have a current sensing controller, so it shuts off if there is an electrical "stress", also that's on 240v.
Hope y'all have better luck, and keep posting on TH-cam either way
Hello,
Noooo! Dang it!! I feel for ya, I truly do. I'm up in WA, ST. and our pipes froze and our pump stopped working after we lost power, 5 days felt like forever to us. This weather has been the shitz for everyone. Well, I'm glad you have water again, appreciate the video and look forward to the next one.
There is always something around the holidays, I'm so glad you have water now
?? Have you considered installing a lightning ⚡️ rod on top of your well house and then grounding it to the side of the well house ???
We had issues with our well pump and then I did the lightning rod and never had an issue again!
❤ thanks for sharing and God bless 🙏your family
Maybe you need a water tank. Either collect the water off the house or pump water out of the well into the tank to store it above ground.
We in the country in Australia 🇦🇺 have water tanks and actually it’s compulsory for the past 200 years.
Build a water tank and collect water off your roof of the house and sheds.
I was thinking the same thing, having a backup water source!!! What's the riddle, one is none and two is one!!!
What happens when the water freeze? Do we worry about the tank bursting or not having water for coffee? And please don't say insulate, heat or put it underground. All that is the reason we draw directly from underground and all pipes are buried 5 ft, sometimes with added insulation and or electric heating cable.
Thanks for the product review.
I had similar problem last year my pump went out my boys and I pulled it I changed it out but 32 days later is was out again. Replace that one it’s been good now for about a year.
You guys may all laugh at me but I live in an area where it’s hard to get reliable contractors and when building my off grid place I managed to get everything done up to the Electrion pulling the wire from the inverter shack to the pump house/ bath house. I had it ready for him to just return and finish the job but 7 years of him saying he was going to come do it soon I haven’t worried about it. I have a top of the line stainless steel no freeze hand pump in there that was intended to be temporary but it’s been coming on 9 years now. I always have water lol. Even my neighbours will show up for water in the case of a bad storm and they have no power and no water bc I have never been out of power, water or heat. It may be more work but I never have to worry about those break downs and I think that’s one of the reasons I still have it. I’m thinking of putting in a rain water collection tank or two underground and possibly putting an electric pump on that but I don’t think I could ever get rid of that hand pump on the well. I and my animals always have all the water we require.
Dang! That is bad luck
Hoping it had warranty
Red tankgirl what hand pump system did you install? I’ve been looking at some. Thanks!
Oh, my Jeremy! not good again. I am glad they came back to fix it for you. That was awful for Christmas for y'all
May I suggest a water cistern and a rain harvesting system? It can be to water the garden...but for your own consumption in an emergency.
Well it's a good thing you made that wellhouse roof removable🤷♂️
GOODNESS! This looks like it was an expensive repair.....guess that means you have to start posting more videos to pay for it, lol. Sorry for your frustration and hope this is the final fix. Enjoy your video content with especially watching the pump repair happening.
What's the length of the electrical run. Pumps have a very high draw when they start causing a large voltage drop. This can only be tested under load. You will not see a voltage drop when the pump is not running. Just a thought
That service truck leveling looks safe, bet that front hydraulic loves a good lateral stretch.
Well 3rd times a charm. The real miracle you've got a company that stands by their work and keeps coming back to solve the problem.
Our Christmas Plumbing surprise came a little early this year, water heater failed, sigh, but a couple Christmases ago it was a clogged drain.on the day, so yeah! I totally understand.
Jamie, if this happens again (God forbid) you may want to consider running heavier gauge wire down to the pump. It almost _HAS_ to be something flaky with the power getting down to the pump unit, whether it's low voltage due to current drop or just "dirty" power.
I only have used Gould deep submersible pumps. Put the 1st in 1982 and replaced everything in 2012-well people said they weren't electrictions, electrictions said they weren't plumbers, so I was left on my own trying to fix the problem! I don't know if it was the pump malfunctioning or not, but with everything new it's working perfectly.
Gould's is the best pumps.
Imagine 120 years ago you would have to go down to the river and if you are really fancy you would have a hand pump in your or right outside your front door...
We sure have come a long way everybody complains about the electronics that complicate our lives however they don't really complain about a well because when water flows, where it's supposed to, people are happy 👍🤠
Hell I’d watch just for the music! 😀 sorry about your well, that’s frustrating.
We had that happen and replaced the pump. It happened again and was a switch. I googled on TH-cam and found a video and my husband went out to the pump and did what the guy said to the switch and it worked. We need to replace the switch. I’m sorry I don’t know what it’s called.
My channel is dedicated to well repair.
The sleeve probably caught the lip of the casing & pulled it off during trip out. Screw the sleeve into the 4"well seal rubber.
I'd bet money its lightning strikes or your getting a brown out condition (cold temperatures people using more power and you might be at the end of the line getting slightly less than 220v)
I really enjoy your channel, very informative and entertaining. I don't even have a well.
Electrician here...do you have any kind of surge protection at the power panel for lighting strikes or other spikes ?
I'm guessing the pump motor is either open or shorted ? Very inexpensive to add one if you don't have one.
having well sucks i never thought a well would be an issue just have pro guys do the work and dont worry bout it for years..my first pump lasted about year and half and then second one lasted a little over a year, on 3rd pump now 20k debt trying to drill another well with better gpm, but ended up with dry well at 400 ft ended up salvaging old well and replacing pump once again, my main issue its a sandy well so it pulls sand in and causes the pump to wear out fast
So sorry this happened again. Very interesting to see how they do this
How long until the 4th video of the same thing. Or is it time for a different brand of pump / valve?
It's been awhile since I've made a comment here it's good to see you sooooo hate you had another water prob but man they sure looked like they knew what they were doing here's to a long run not more water probs you guys rock sandy here waiting
Was the cause due to a defective part from Danish GRUNDFOS after only 2 years of use, or was the cause due to a craftsman's error? Who paid the bill for the task - the company? , the warranty? , GRUNDFOS? or you?
Are you having power surge issues?
Never a dull moment 👍
Likely the failure was precisely because of the loss of the sleeve. The way a down-hole pump is designed is the the pump is on the top of the pump-motor stack. This is because the water has to leave out the top of the stack hence the water enters the pump above the motor and leaves at the very top. The sleeve is to prevent water from entering the pump without coming past the motor that's below the pump. The water entering a well can come from anywhere. It could be coming from above the pump. In that case it would come in and down until it reached the pump inlets above the motor where it's drawn in and is pumped vertically up and away. The motor then would be sitting in almost stationary water that can steadily warm up until the motor overheats. With a sleeve the water coming in above the pump still has to drop down below motor to enter the sleeve and be sucked up past the motor again cooling it.
That sounds logical.
The original pump had a functional sleeve but a bad check valve at the pump and lack of additional valves coming up the well as seen from an earlier video. They certainly seem to be cursed with multiple issues that experienced pump installers should have mitigated.
Boy you've had bad luck. My house has a Gould one horse booster pump inside my garage to boost city water pressure. It is 28 years old and still going. Inside my ranch well I have a 3 hp Gould submersible with over 260 feet of water above it. Also working perfectly and this summer we were pumping 3 to 5,000 gallons of water per day. I'm sold on Gould brand.
I feel for you!
Over here in the UK stuff comes with a guarantee ..... is that not the case there too?
Don't get me wrong ..... stuff breaks, but one a year is going some!
Still have the original gould pump i installed 21 years ago , hope your 3 pump last several years .
I see you have some targets for target practice at @2:05! HAHA!!! Break out the hand cannon!
Hello
You need to doble ir triple the water pressor tank, or instal a tank and a pump to the house.
In this way the Pump of the deep well work less times but work a long time when need.
In electrical i dont see the "switchs" of minium water level . Doble the pressor switchs to ensure the correct work and safty of the Pump.
That sucks, at least they were able to get out there (relatively) quickly, although any amount of time without water is a struggle. Whenever dealing with check valves, I often see them doubled up so that if one gets stuck open, there is another one for a bit of redundancy, especially in hard to service locations. Hopefully this one does the trick for ya!
That is truly unfortunate! I remember your earlier well pump problems. You've had more pump failures than I've ever heard of failing (reading, learning, etc), and I live in the country, on a well. And, yeah, those Grundfos' well pumps are supposed to be the best available, or used to be. I'm curious, though. What happened to the missing sleeve? Is it still in the bottom of the well? Thanks for the content and the work involved in providing it, #GuildbrookFarm, sincerely! *May the best of last year be the worst of this new year for you all, your families, your friends and loved ones!* *Happy New Year!* 🎉🎊🎆
8:20 I dunno. Looks like he melted through part of the wire insulation with his blow torch. I guess we'll find out next year. sigh
I'd use different shrink, and never flame the sleeve or wire, but then I'm not a plumber 😉
Sorry to hear it.
A couple of stainless screws through the 4" sleeve into the rubber of the well seal will keep that from falling off.
Ah, Jeremy, why yes, yes you are cursed...just kidding. Crazy stuff with the well you've had to go through. We've had to replace the well pump once in our 20 years here, thank goodness. Maybe just that they don't make these things as good as they used to, like everything else, but I hope this is the last time! We have constant brown-outs in our mountains, power surges that have cost us electronics even with UPS devices, but never lost the well pump from any of those. ! Now, that I said that, jinxed myself, LOL. Best to Jaime! ~Cynthia
Hopefully the third time is the charm! Only other thing I can think of is to ask some of your neighbors about well depth and what kind of pump and the lifetimes they 've had......
Bad words, that's what I would be spewing, frustrating situation. I hope insurance helps with these unbelievable occurrences. Dust it off, carry on.
You know, Your Roof is great for Collecting Water... It would be nice to have that water put in a huge water tank for back up!
We use black wall pipe and set the pump at 145 because it sounded at 90, but we got hit buy lighting once that cause a headache.
Could be power surges maybe burning it out? Get a surge protector plug in for it.
Have you checked the power for dirty power and do you have a surge suppressor on it they also make special types of surge protectors that do more than just surge they actually can tell you when your cavitating and so forth while it was very cold it was also very dry and it's a possibility you may burn your pump out
How deep is the pipe from the well to the house? Maybe the water froze in transit and the pump overheated trying to pump against ice?
It’s about 3’. It definitely didn’t freeze.
you need a spare well.
That looks like a variable speed pump and motor, those are less reliable than a standard submersible pump. Forty years in the plumbing game and the old time pump guys I know don't like those pumps because they fail more. A well that deep I'd go with a regular submersible next time, you might have to use a bigger tank but twice in four years. I'd start looking for a new well pump outfit, unless your guys came up with some real answers. Grounfos regular pumps are some of the best, I don't know about that type you have but twice in four years speaks for itself.
Another homestead had trouble with methane or sulfate gas corroding their new appliances three times before the problem was found
Could your pump be too low in the well and is sucking up muck from the bottom? Just a thought. We had issues with our wiring, every time the pump turned on it vibrated against the wall of the shaft and cut the wires over time. The well guy put plastic donuts on the pipe/wire and it solved it.
Jeremy, did they tell you what failed, or just their guess? Will they take the pump apart at the shop to see what failed, or return it to Grundfos where they'll examine the pump? Like you, I've always believed Grundfos to be the best out there. I checked the model numbers on yours and it looks like the right one for your well unless you have solar power in your plans. I am going off-grid and bought the SQFlex 6 SQF-3 which runs on a wide range of both AC and DC voltages. No problems at all with it and it has been in for 2 years now. I'm imagining that check valve stuck and the pump overheated and burned up. Does that model have overheat protection? I'm not sure what type check valve that was, but maybe based on the corrosion that had started you need a different type. Either Bronze or Stainless Steel. Anyway, good luck with this one. What a pain that must have been over the holidays.
You need a Jacuzzi pump. That's what we use and we haven't had a problem in 10 years.
Y'all have a problem someplace. My well pump as with my neighbors have all lasted 20 yrs so far.
A proper continuity test also rules out crossed lines. The tech should have cycled all three lines to be sure nothing is crossed in the long lines.
You should never put a check valve on top of the pump it has one built in it that check valve should be installed 100 feet above the pump most check valve’s are rated for 200 feet
The built in check valves are garbage and always fail so they are removed and replaced with heavy stainless steel valves. Then additional valves every 200 feet.
Well... I'm not sure if you are correct about that... Engineer 775 Always puts a Check valve on the top of the pump to assist the pump check valve especially if the pump is a deep well.
8:28 well there's what's likely going to be your next failure. Guy burns the insulation off the green wire, just behind the heatshrink tube. So now you have bare, or almost bare wire going down.
Doesn't much matter on the ground wire. Some drillers don't even cover them
I am sorry to hear this. Is it possible that you have a trespasser sabotaging your efforts? There are a lot of envious people out there, neighborhood watch people who watch everything you do and pounce in the night usually between 2am and 6am.
No
If I remember correctly, they've got that place set up with all kinds of alerts. So, I would have never thought tresspassers. They would not have gotten up that far without being met with something they wouldn't have liked. LOL
Were the repairs done under the warranty?
Everything but labor unfortunately
Can you install a header tank of a suitable capacity inline? Pump into the tank then draw from there? Will give you a buffer. Even better if you can install the tank high enough that gravity will feed the house.
If this one doesn't last put in a Gould's brand pump, they last forever.
Nothing worse than being without water is there! I suppose it's not practical to check on deeply buried equipment like this for 'servicing'? Was there any sign in your water supply before it went off that something was going awry or was it abrupt? Glad it's working again though, happy new year y'all :)
There was really no indication something was going wrong
You might want to investigate voltage drop, my deep well draws 27 amps @ 240vac on start up, that is a LOT of power. Long wire run and or under size wire may be part of the problem.
This is a soft start pump. Draws 7-8 amps @240.
I think in the original video they ran 10-2 solid wire.
I took a look at the original install video. I'm pretty sure the pump is installed at 440 ft. The grundfos manual states that you need #8 copper wire from 330ft to 520ft for a 1.5hp pump. The house is pretty close so i assume they are under 520 ft total length of wire from the panel.
@@atlanticcanuck2826 I'm with you on this one. doesn't take much of a voltage drop to get really high amperage in that motor. Heat damage in the motor is cumulative it cannot repair itself only getting worse every time it overheats until it fails. Smaller wire and a really really long lead length just shouts out that this is happening here.
Sorry to hear about your pump - that is bad luck. Do you have a back up source of water? E.g. a cystern?
We have a spring
@@Guildbrookfarm So, where you say "we were without water for almost 10 days" .. how does that relate to "we have a spring". It sounds contradictory: you say you were without water, yet when asked for a backup source you claim to have one. I'm confused.
is this covered under some kind of warranty? Or are you forking out the price for a new pump + installation each time?
Pump has been covered under warranty. Labor is not.
Ok so here's how to fix this problem. The significantly sketchy way they had their truck is definitely the problem. You move dirt in in a manner that allows them to get their truck on a much better platform in anticipation of the next time. That way your preparations will keep it from happening again. /s
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Please explain to my why you do not use a single Black HDPE pipe. It comes on a roll in different diameters. Any length. Then one can draw the pump with a simple well winch. So then you have a pipe, a cable with a submersible plug, and a safety / winch rope. Seems like a backyard mechanics installation. And I've had my own issues with Grundfos submersibles. Not once!
Single roil pipe as you say is un sanitary when laying it on the ground in the dog poo and is very flimsy and with out specialized equipment it is very hard to work with
Nah, modern manufacturers sell everything made with a warrenty rather then doing a testing period factory burn in like they used to
The 2 fold benifit is they make money on every item sold, and not everyone is going to file a warrenty claim on a $2 light bulb or a $49 Air Fryer cause its "to much hassle"
I remember it taking 2 months of back and forth with TCL for a Roku T.V. that crapped out 6 months after I bought it from Walmart before they realized it would cost to much for them to mail my T.V. from Hawaii to California ($300 both ways for $400 t.v) before they just cut me a check for a new T.V. plus $40 to
take the malfunctioning t.v. to a recycler( most people just take it as" your fault for buying crap from Walmart" from what I've seen/heard)
Did the Check Valve get stuck and burn out the pump?
Yeah that’s what it looked like.
@@Guildbrookfarm Oh, ok. Wow!
You are a tenacious trooper!
Mercy! I'm so sorry! They sure don't make things like they use to for sure. Was it still in warranty??
The pump and check valve were, but not the labor
@@Guildbrookfarm Which is usually the most expensive part of the whole thing. OUCH! Hopefully, you're good for a long, LONG time.
@@Guildbrookfarm ouch!
What's your voltage? What size wire are you using and how long is the run? What horse power is the motor? Who is making the connections on the motor and in the jbox/panel?
I'm so sorry that happened to you guys again.
Made in china?
Mexico
@@Guildbrookfarm even worst
Yall on my neck of the woods im close to Roanoke
OMFG indeed! How long were you without water??
Almost 10 days.
I can't believe this keeps happening to y'all. Fingers crossed this is the last time for many many years to come. Merry Christmas to y'all, huh? Ugh
Where's Jamie?
Any idea why the pump has been failing? Same brand?
Same brand. Grundfos
Surge suppressor? Line filter?
What was the issue now?
Are you on a generator? May have a voltage fluctuation problem. I know it’s a big no no to plug a computer into one that is not an inverter type.
Was all this work under warranty? TIA
Only the pump cost
What does a service call like that run?
Thank goodnesses for bad luck otherwise you wouldn’t have any luck ar all
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Was that repair under warranty?
Just the pump and check valve
@@Guildbrookfarm - in otherwords - no?
Water table dropping
Avoid pumps with electronics in them. All this soft start etc. is complete bullshit. This is the reason they fail. Get a regular pump like Franklin Electric.
What ended up being the problem?
Not 100% sure but we think the first check valve.
@@Guildbrookfarm That bites.
@@wdwtx2.0
It definitely doesn't flow... ;)
You do have bad luck with the well pumps.
I am going to ask a dumb question and I know nothing about well pumps, but why wouldn't you install the pump at the top where it is accessible without having to spend thousands of dollars each time to have a truck come out and pull up ALL of the pipe? Seems like a very poor design, unless you are someone who wants to keep coming out and fixing problems?
You can do that with a VERY shallow well, in fact I believe the limit for a suction pump is something like 30 or 40 feet. In almost every case it's much easier to PUSH the water up to where you need it.
It is impossible for a pump to prime itself over that length of verticle pipe. Take a garden hose out of your second story window and try to suck a bucket of water up to you.
@@craigleemehan So why not have a one way valve at the bottom, so you fill the pipe with water so the pump does not have to pull from the bottom. And my lungs do not have the volume or duration of a pump. If the garden hose was full of water then you could easily do it. Change my mind. :)
@Lewisusa11 I look forward to your future business venture into well pump design.
BTW, how do you initially fill the pipe? Just use a garden hose to fill it, oh wait. And, what happens if the check valve is leaky and you lose your prime, again?
@@Lewisusa11 If you put a 1 way valve at the bottom, the pressure inside the pipe would always be higher than the surrounding pressure in the well and would never open to let water in. It is physically impossible to lift more than 34 feet of water because the pressure differential above that is more than 1 atm. Pressure at the pump inlet is 1 atm and it's impossile to have negative pressure. Hope you changed your mind.
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to bad it wasnt on poly pipe wouldnt need hoist truck