He isn't aiming at the tank anyway. He knows the spawn and aligns with RWR to predict the SPAA location, if SAM players weren't too lazy to move that Pantsir could dodge all of them since it takes 45 seconds or so for GBU8 to travel 20 kilometers.
hard to imagine , in the good days everything got rendered , but people with equidment from past ww2 cried in forums , so we have now to deal with that cancer of not able to stop anything like we did in the past :(
@@Frozander _>"Too lazy to move"_ How the hell is any ground player supposed to know they're gonna get bombed from outside rendering range (i.e . the godamn stratosphere)? *This is indescribable cancer.*
@@emergency_broadcast_system They just need to make it even remotely realistic so SPAA obliterates CAS while CAS obliterates SPAA instead of it being just the latter.
@@felixglienewinkel6069 no its just that big GBU, that one isnt a paveway and it shouldnt be able to glide like that, Paveways on the other hand are designed to be able to glide (not as good as a walleye though but still pretty good at high speeds)
This is the first time I’ve ever seen an interceptor fight an SPAA from even semi-realistic range. Irl, no aircraft would even get within the current spawn distance from the battlefield with active SPAA on the field without being blasted clear out of the sky. Of course, they also wouldn’t NEED to since vehicles don’t just turn invisible past 6 km and the shortest range AGM has about twice the longest ranging missile in the game’s range irl, but still. Baby steps.
@@HorizonStronghold Yeah, but interceptors are deploying pretty advanced counter methods nowadays. Both to defend themselves as ECM, decoyes and towed decoys or to attack as HARM missiles.
i think it is a very fucking fair balance, if youre an anti air you should worry about firing your missile every single time, because it takes away your cover over a large render distance. also makes these aa guys less lazy in staying at one position and move after firing
@J.G. Wentworth if you want to pull the "real life" card all CAS should be in first person cockpit mode with Simulator controls instead of RB controls. Try and rub two braincells together before commenting "retard".
Unless youre facing Russia...because not only did nobody else get an AA on par with the pantsir, they actually nerfed a couple other nations top tier AA...
@@User-rn4bb Oh yes, getting killed in a tank by a untouchable plane 10km away is so fun. I hope we can have Modern naval added so I can get killed by a cruise missile 150 miles away too
Props on the first pantsir trying to protect his teammate and himself, he exists because gaijin refuses to just make tank only matches and adds mosquitoes at tree top level like helicopters, high altitude like aircraft, and Orbital bombardment systems like drones instead. If i wanted to fight planes I'd play air rb
I agree and disagree, each team should have dedicated AA Everymatch and the issue would be far less of a problem but the economic model forces aggressive play styles on both sides so adequate AA just doesn’t exist on the map midgame a lot of times leading to rofl stomping by light tank scouters who have a full plane line up and a premium scout with backups.
@@sus5976 It is not a glitch it is how guided bombs worked in the game ever since they were introduced. GBU8 can do longer than other because it is TV guided as opposed to laser guided. Laser guidance has a range of about 6km where the seeker of the bomb detects the laser. Until that point laser guided bomb is acting like a normal bomb then becomes a cruise missile. However in this game TV guided munitions can lock on to terrain at basically any range, meaning they will have a lock from the point they are released so they guide like that from the start. Also it isn't that big of an issue for SAM, it literally only locks to terrain so in those 30-40 seconds for the bomb glide Pantsir could just drive away. As you could see it took 3 bombs to predict the position of Pantsir. (and one unlucky kriz got deleted)
@@jbeverley67 It all depends of the speed, altitude, weather and trajectory. Bombs might be capable of such things but not in situations shown in the video. You would have to he much higher and probably faster.
kinda a bug going around, ive noticed it myself when i went to shoot an incoming Marder missile and hit it several times with MG's and it did nothing, but a single hit on my bradley missile blows it up. Bullet impact on projectiles seems broken right now.
This video perfectly exemplifies why I gave up WT. Being able to lock ground vehicles that literally don't even render (also implying that your jet itself is beyond render distance for them) is inexcusable. Why even bother playing a game with broken mechanics that are so easy to abuse.
Ah yes, top tier, something i completely gave up with other than occasional Russian ground rb, cause that's the only viable nation where you might not get bombed every 3 seconds
@@GlobalgamingP i cant agree, played with a fried since he recently started playing and surprised on how many planes there were, doesnt happen in 9.7 where its just a10, su25 and occasionally some other plane but mainly those 2
Just a regular 30km Bombing. "Just spawn Pansir bro, you will kill all the Jet before they can bomb you" - Salty CAS main wanted Gaijin stop nerfing CAS. Good thing i quit the 11.0+ shitshow
the tier below top tier is always fun since sweats like this guy barely play it. used to get nukes by heli's every single game but now that top is 11.3 i can play 10.0 and even 10.7 and be top dog with maybe 2 to 4 fighters in game and a heli or 2. the fun of wt is still around 5.3 to 6.7
How dumb are you? You dont even know how it works and start crying. Have you ever been killed like that? From such a big distance you can kill only afk target, that doesnt have any armor, but you are so fucking stupid, that cant just move to dodge this.
@@vardd2179 litteral first kill being a guy that just spawned in. Later a t72/80 trying to get out of his spawn because the muricans are spawnrushing as usual. Should have actually watched the vid instead of going straight to the comments you sad sack of spunk
Exactly, or atleast bigger maps and CAS nerfs. But true ground gamemode would be cool. Theres a lot of players already , just make new gamemode with combined arms, something like EC would be cool.
@Kluky APB oh no the enemy team starts to spawncamp my team and I get a few seconds of taking no damage to get free kills on the people that feel the need to spawn camp. Yes it's completely fair. Go cry about it on reddit like the rest of them.🥱
spawn camping? most of these guys just stay at a single position even though some aa have the best maneuverability. maybe the issue is that spaa doesnt put enough effort into getting to spots where the jets wouldnt expect. you know, like REAL LIFE
The recent manual missile guidance nerfs has basically affected the Pantsir and TOR, as long you are flying supersonic and using targeting pods, you can now easily kill them. They can still kill you, but if you fly at a higher altitude and higher speed and using chaff/flare combination you can now easily dodge their missiles. IR-Guided SPAAs are more effective now as anti-air, although unlike the Pantsir and TOR systems, they are only effective if the targeted aircraft is flying at low altitude.
Love seeing the few comments from the people that dont understand the issue with adding the pantsir and are upset that you found arguably the best way to engage them
"Pantsir is so OP!1!!11" *Watches as jet yeets guided bombs from 25km away*. Yep, CAS is totally balanced... and CAS players will always cry no matter what.
Poor CAS players actually need to struggle just the tiniest bit to get ground kills now. I also really hope Gaijin doesn't forget the glitch that lets tanks kill aircraft from beyond render distance with as much ease as they currently do. Life for CAS players is pure hell in this game. 😥
@@bickboose9364 not really, I'm doing the same shit I've been doing since I got to top tier. 😁 No change in tactics for me, only in target priority list.🤣
I was playing the pantsir and I see an F16 without wings headed towards me, I fire a missile it does absolutely nothing, when it gets closer I see that it's actually a GBU8
@Malzi took the idea from @K2 Kit Krabiwe ?
@Сева Зибинский давно в сб в самолёте есть вид от третьего лица, найс высрал
@Сева Зибинский если честно то последнее слово "крабище" звучит кринжово, моё мнение
@@hans3437всем похуй на твое мнение. Мое мнение
@@hans3437 это канон он сам об этом говорил.
Мне, честно говоря кажется, что Malzi это и есть K2 . Зашел в комменты чтобы это и написать
it's too far that tank doesn't even rendered bruh
True but some maps it'll show but you gotta be quick. Or do low level CAS runs. I do it in the F16, works pretty well.
He isn't aiming at the tank anyway. He knows the spawn and aligns with RWR to predict the SPAA location, if SAM players weren't too lazy to move that Pantsir could dodge all of them since it takes 45 seconds or so for GBU8 to travel 20 kilometers.
hard to imagine , in the good days everything got rendered , but people with equidment from past ww2 cried in forums , so we have now to deal with that cancer of not able to stop anything like we did in the past :(
@@Frozander _>"Too lazy to move"_
How the hell is any ground player supposed to know they're gonna get bombed from outside rendering range (i.e . the godamn stratosphere)?
*This is indescribable cancer.*
@@bickboose9364 how to know? using the neocortex. CAS attacks spawns from lower levels.
Gaijin really needs to fix the rendering issues this game has
Gaijin really needs to fix -the rendering issue- this game -has-
*this twisted game needs to be reset*
nah i say keep cas as far away from ground rb
@@gatorscoops3861
It just needs to be balanced so that spaa completely dominates cas
@@emergency_broadcast_system They just need to make it even remotely realistic so SPAA obliterates CAS while CAS obliterates SPAA instead of it being just the latter.
I legit didn’t even know you could use guided bombs from that distance on that trajectory. I thought you had to be coming from above
GBUs acts like cruise missiles currently.
all you need is about 800 km/h of speed and most bombs behave like cruise missiles xD.
the big GBU is broken, it should be pretty incapable of gliding like that, Paveways however can do that just fine
@@felixglienewinkel6069 no its just that big GBU, that one isnt a paveway and it shouldnt be able to glide like that, Paveways on the other hand are designed to be able to glide (not as good as a walleye though but still pretty good at high speeds)
@@CormathIrecar TV munitions as a whole suck ass, Mavericks are just the worst of them
man took Beyond Visual Range combat too seriously
Yeah.. a new level of bullshit
Idk what’s more sad. That this style of play is actually possible, or the fact that it’s the only actual counter to pantsir spam
This is the first time I’ve ever seen an interceptor fight an SPAA from even semi-realistic range.
Irl, no aircraft would even get within the current spawn distance from the battlefield with active SPAA on the field without being blasted clear out of the sky. Of course, they also wouldn’t NEED to since vehicles don’t just turn invisible past 6 km and the shortest range AGM has about twice the longest ranging missile in the game’s range irl, but still. Baby steps.
we need some anti radiation missiles
Oh how the turns have tabled
@@HorizonStronghold Yeah, but interceptors are deploying pretty advanced counter methods nowadays.
Both to defend themselves as ECM, decoyes and towed decoys or to attack as HARM missiles.
i think it is a very fucking fair balance, if youre an anti air you should worry about firing your missile every single time, because it takes away your cover over a large render distance. also makes these aa guys less lazy in staying at one position and move after firing
This is why I haven't played top tier in like 3 years.
@@adamthundercock155 Even low tier is all about who can spawn the most planes the fastest
Planes break ground game modes
They should rename the game mode from Ground RB to Ground Strike RB
@J.G. Wentworth if you want to pull the "real life" card all CAS should be in first person cockpit mode with Simulator controls instead of RB controls. Try and rub two braincells together before commenting "retard".
@J.G. Wentworth wow I wanna play a tank game not a real life game.
Fun and engaging gameplay for ground players....
indeed the best was that khrizantena must be very happy about to travel 10m from spawn and get nuked from orbit
Cope.
In nearly all the clips he has to literally be at the edge of the maps using these GBUs in a way thats only viable on stationary SPAAs.
Then play air. No one's forcing you. 🤯💀
@@alanwatts8239 except arguably Gaijin by not including ground-only playlists
top tier isnt fun. accept that, suffer through it or go down in br and have fun with war thunder again
Gaijin can we have HARMs for wild weasel?
Gaijin: We have Wild weasel missions at home
Wild weasel missions at home: Malzi
this is a very unhinged method of removing AA
20km+ bombing lol that's not standoff that's an ICBM at that point
It’s the only way to kill the pantsir
BVR / GPS guidance thing!!
Love the amount of cas spam at this tier my pantsir can’t even hit a drone they fucked up the spaa so bad
Your probably using it wrong then.
This should be the trailer for WT. Would really boost the numbers of new players.
and prepare them for the cancerous CAS.
came for pantsir destroying, stayed for ace combat
I really like how fun top tier is now, spawn in as jet, die, I mean in a way it is a good thing. You can finally enjoy ground battles!
Unless youre facing Russia...because not only did nobody else get an AA on par with the pantsir, they actually nerfed a couple other nations top tier AA...
Can always play Air RB if you don't like it
@@CompetitiveRacist54 oh yess, playing tornado ids in air arb is so fun...bruh
@@User-rn4bb Oh yes, getting killed in a tank by a untouchable plane 10km away is so fun.
I hope we can have Modern naval added so I can get killed by a cruise missile 150 miles away too
@@CrazyDutchguys I like how you didn't mention that they nerfed the tunguska, coward.
the power of cruise missiles i mean guided bombs
"close" air support btw
I sniff Malzi videos out like a hound
Capturing a target from an aircraft without even seeing the target's thermal signatures? Very honest. One-button gameplay.
Thermal signatures on gbu 8?
@@xWizardxRFyes
Props on the first pantsir trying to protect his teammate and himself, he exists because gaijin refuses to just make tank only matches and adds mosquitoes at tree top level like helicopters, high altitude like aircraft, and Orbital bombardment systems like drones instead.
If i wanted to fight planes I'd play air rb
I agree and disagree, each team should have dedicated AA Everymatch and the issue would be far less of a problem but the economic model forces aggressive play styles on both sides so adequate AA just doesn’t exist on the map midgame a lot of times leading to rofl stomping by light tank scouters who have a full plane line up and a premium scout with backups.
K2 Kit Krabiwe reference😏
"Just spawn AA bro"
I didn't realise gbu's could glide that far
There is a glitch where bombs become cruise missiles
@@sus5976 It is not a glitch it is how guided bombs worked in the game ever since they were introduced. GBU8 can do longer than other because it is TV guided as opposed to laser guided. Laser guidance has a range of about 6km where the seeker of the bomb detects the laser. Until that point laser guided bomb is acting like a normal bomb then becomes a cruise missile.
However in this game TV guided munitions can lock on to terrain at basically any range, meaning they will have a lock from the point they are released so they guide like that from the start. Also it isn't that big of an issue for SAM, it literally only locks to terrain so in those 30-40 seconds for the bomb glide Pantsir could just drive away. As you could see it took 3 bombs to predict the position of Pantsir. (and one unlucky kriz got deleted)
@@sus5976 walleyes and gbu 8s are beyond capable of doing this. Gbu 8s had around a 23 km range irl while walleyes could go even further.
@@jbeverley67 It all depends of the speed, altitude, weather and trajectory. Bombs might be capable of such things but not in situations shown in the video. You would have to he much higher and probably faster.
@@Frozander laser guided works well beyond 6km, ive guided in mig27k from ~10km
"Oh great, he's playing Ace Combat music, we're screwed..."
When bomb does not get destroyed by a direct hit.
god finally someone that doesnt put timer in TV bombs
GBU-8 living up to their 25.2 KM max range real well.
Thats fine
How the pantsir shoots that bomb and nothing happends
kinda a bug going around, ive noticed it myself when i went to shoot an incoming Marder missile and hit it several times with MG's and it did nothing, but a single hit on my bradley missile blows it up. Bullet impact on projectiles seems broken right now.
This video perfectly exemplifies why I gave up WT. Being able to lock ground vehicles that literally don't even render (also implying that your jet itself is beyond render distance for them) is inexcusable. Why even bother playing a game with broken mechanics that are so easy to abuse.
all you have to do to counter this is move.
Ah yes, top tier, something i completely gave up with other than occasional Russian ground rb, cause that's the only viable nation where you might not get bombed every 3 seconds
have you seen rank 3 ground RB, it is infested with planes after 5 minutes and SPAA cant hit anything
@@GlobalgamingP oh I know, that's why I play around 8.0, next to no guided weaponry and radar spaa
Seriously? I usually stick to 9.7-10.7 China because i can fuck the shit out of air assets with helicopters/TY-90s
@@ZigaZagu yeah well I ain't buying a cancer heli
@@GlobalgamingP i cant agree, played with a fried since he recently started playing and surprised on how many planes there were, doesnt happen in 9.7 where its just a10, su25 and occasionally some other plane but mainly those 2
Just a regular 30km Bombing. "Just spawn Pansir bro, you will kill all the Jet before they can bomb you" - Salty CAS main wanted Gaijin stop nerfing CAS.
Good thing i quit the 11.0+ shitshow
You are dumb if you cannot just move out of the way of a GBU that travels in a stright line for 30+ seconds. It locks onto the ground not the tank.
the tier below top tier is always fun since sweats like this guy barely play it. used to get nukes by heli's every single game but now that top is 11.3 i can play 10.0 and even 10.7 and be top dog with maybe 2 to 4 fighters in game and a heli or 2. the fun of wt is still around 5.3 to 6.7
How dumb are you? You dont even know how it works and start crying. Have you ever been killed like that? From such a big distance you can kill only afk target, that doesnt have any armor, but you are so fucking stupid, that cant just move to dodge this.
@@vardd2179 litteral first kill being a guy that just spawned in. Later a t72/80 trying to get out of his spawn because the muricans are spawnrushing as usual. Should have actually watched the vid instead of going straight to the comments you sad sack of spunk
@@chrisdevries2208 7.7 is fun, WW2 is Best
Talk about fun and engaging gameplay lol
It’s crazy that anti air can target those guided missiles….
…it’s even worse that the missiles weren’t destroyed by those explosions…
when you locked onto that spaa from about 20 km away, i was like "wait wtf theres literally nothing there"
Did u saw K2 kit?
yep)
K2 enjoyer
Malzi, you beautiful gamer you! I've been wrecking pansirs left and right in my a7-d thanks to your video, stay awesome!
I like the Ace Combat Zero music in the background. The memories.. Brings me back 🥹
Love the fact how of you drop a gbu 8 from far away.its like a cruise missle lol
cant wait for this bug to be fixed...bombs acting like cruise missiles..lmao
Bro those last Pantsirs or TORs actually know how to intercept shit, holly hell
They all knew, watch again and see how many shot the bomb with a missile, it just doesn't take damage
@@patrykK1028 Welcome to hitbox and damage model broken world
please gaijin, just give us a ground only mode so we dont have to play cas spam rb anymore
It's normal that the introduce the pantsir, this planes and bombs are like playing with Cheats.
oh my bruh, how are you even supposed to counter this lmao
Sadly you spawn a fighter and shoot it down, in ground rb 💀
move out of your spawn, and not sit in 1 spot where everyone knows you exist. Not hard
@@Kill4Time255 Or in this situation the player tried to intercept the bomb mid air but for some reason that didnt work
by moving? most of these guys just stay at a single position even though some aa have the best maneuverability
Shoot down bombs like pansir was successfully doing
I know that khrizantema went back to the hanger mad lmao literally just spawned in only to get bombed 10 sec later
0:01 - i like this f3f-2 in your setup
Imagine trying to play ground only to get bombed from 20 km
You will be the reason Gaijin will add 30km Tor-M2's
pantsir s1m when gaijin?
It fires a new missile that can engage up to 30km away with 1700m/s missile:)
And this is why we need a ground only mode, guided bombs from way out of range of any SPAA is not fair.
Exactly, or atleast bigger maps and CAS nerfs. But true ground gamemode would be cool. Theres a lot of players already , just make new gamemode with combined arms, something like EC would be cool.
you consider staying at spawn not moving an inch and racking 4 kills as fair? *noice*
@Kluky APB oh no the enemy team starts to spawncamp my team and I get a few seconds of taking no damage to get free kills on the people that feel the need to spawn camp. Yes it's completely fair. Go cry about it on reddit like the rest of them.🥱
They really don't like your bombs.
Went from Pantsir to "I shit my pants sir"
several times now that a Pantsir was able to shoot down my guided bomb
Thus fills me with joy.
Perfect spawn camping...
spawn camping? most of these guys just stay at a single position even though some aa have the best maneuverability. maybe the issue is that spaa doesnt put enough effort into getting to spots where the jets wouldnt expect. you know, like REAL LIFE
JDAM IN WART HUNDER
Pantsir? I hardly even know ir.
average pantsir user who spawn in an early battle and then left after got killed once
stop being so good malzi .
so what's the point of spawning after this? just getting killed 10 sec after leaving spawn by a plane that killed you from their airfield....
God, i love the Ace Combat Zero music so fucking much
The accuracy with which Pantsir shoots missiles flying towards him is frightening.
Like just for the bg music
What's the matter? Lifes flashing before your eyes?
Shoot the missile. Shoot. The. Missile.
The recent manual missile guidance nerfs has basically affected the Pantsir and TOR, as long you are flying supersonic and using targeting pods, you can now easily kill them.
They can still kill you, but if you fly at a higher altitude and higher speed and using chaff/flare combination you can now easily dodge their missiles.
IR-Guided SPAAs are more effective now as anti-air, although unlike the Pantsir and TOR systems, they are only effective if the targeted aircraft is flying at low altitude.
Love seeing the few comments from the people that dont understand the issue with adding the pantsir and are upset that you found arguably the best way to engage them
Just another reason why I stay below 5.0 br range top tier is just not worth the frustration and time.
I love how the bomb can somehow survive multiple missile hits lol
Malzi has discovered what precision guided bombs are good at
Top tier lookin hella fun rn, getting killed past render distance
Ah, yes. Very cool, Gaijin.
Hate it when the tv sight camera reset like that
Seeing pantsirs get destroyed just makes me feel so happy
"Pantsir is so OP!1!!11"
*Watches as jet yeets guided bombs from 25km away*.
Yep, CAS is totally balanced... and CAS players will always cry no matter what.
Hes using a glitch, gaijin didn't make this on purpose
Ah funny the only way to counter that specific anti-air is to use a glitch, very balanced
Funny how the only ones bitching are ground players because the mighty Russian "Panties" isn't as strong as they hoped 😂😂😂
Poor CAS players actually need to struggle just the tiniest bit to get ground kills now.
I also really hope Gaijin doesn't forget the glitch that lets tanks kill aircraft from beyond render distance with as much ease as they currently do.
Life for CAS players is pure hell in this game. 😥
@@bickboose9364 not really, I'm doing the same shit I've been doing since I got to top tier. 😁
No change in tactics for me, only in target priority list.🤣
No way the bomb is just gliding for 30 km
And people said it would be over-powered when it came out 😏
it's funny how pantsir is now being bullied by planes with GBU-8
Before Pantsir: people complaining about planes in RB
After Pantsir: people complaining about Pantsir
They still complain about planes too as you can see.
@@snowylynx36 because CAS is the largest fucking issue at top tier GRB, even more annoying than the Russian dominance at those BRs.
Love how the music just stops when some BS happens
So this is the top teir ground expierence everyone wants
I was playing the pantsir and I see an F16 without wings headed towards me, I fire a missile it does absolutely nothing, when it gets closer I see that it's actually a GBU8
Yeah, because that’s fair
Stop bullying pantsirs, sirs!
Sad state of top br ground rb
DON'T FEAR THE PANTSIR
guided bomb? bruh that thing flew
Man turned gbu into a fuckin cruise missile
That's freaking beautiful! I was going to try AGM-65s Mavericks from my F-5E, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
Who else thought of that scene from Batman: Arkham Knight when reading that title?
ace combat music in the spot
Realistic engagement ranges
Wait a second, those aren't glide bombs!
I have so much goddamn respect for you mate
One malzi a day keeps the doctor away
Meanwhile: me struggling to spot tanks right under me
Almost like this is a better counterplay than crying for a nerf...
Now this is what we call SEAD.
Ace combat music makes me heart throb
This just feels wrong.
Either good guessing on the drop, the lock signal still picks up even when out of render or both. Either way, well done!