@@bluestone9857 he uploaded earlier and kept it unlisted until now. So he doesn't publish 3 vids in 10 min time and has to be out on the computer all day 😉
I hope the guy who asked the question reads these. Not for what they say (he can figure that out without looking at them, now) but to back up what you just said. It was public knowledge outside of his information silo. Maybe he'll also understand your most important point. The silo was constructed by those who make a lot of money from it. Those who make money by fuelling outrage with lies.
I would hope the guy has the sense to recommend you to his circle too. Dropping flashlights down silos is still a tricky business. I wish him or her luck.
When he started saying Obama was not an American and that he "founded ISIS" that's all I needed to see what he was all about. I never saw a sign of greatness in Trump. He's as ridiculous as he looks.
Oh, I saw signs of greatness in the man! He's the greatest A-hole I've ever seen! (And I've had a couple of champions in my own Country's governments) 🤣
@@enricogattone432 as Sam Harris pointed out (before I eventually stopped listening to him, because he was just too far to the right for me), Drumpf might be the greatest con-man in history, given that he managed to con his way into the Oval Office.
The minute the "bus comment" report came out with his bragging about grabbing women by their pu$$ies told me everything I needed to know about him. He has no idea what boundaries are which means he is going to do anything he wants to, when he wants to. How any female (or anyone) could ever vote for him is beyond me after he said that. I put myself into therapy after he got voted into office. I found I would go to bed at night and worry that in the morning that he was going to have us in a war or something. He is just a disgusting human being.
Trump is a con man and has always been a con man. He doesn't pay his debts, declares bankruptcy, and cheats on his taxes. That's how rich people stay rich and get richer. People thought he was such a hero for not taking a paycheck, but was stealing millions of dollars. People are dumb for falling for his bull$hit.
Well, that smugness goes both ways also. Here in Texas, I have friends and relatives calling me an idiot for not thinking Trump is the orange god simply because I see right through his fifth grade mentality and petty games.
Yes, the MAGA cultists never did fit very well into the "gracious winner" category, did they? Their endless whining about "smug" "elitists" rates nothing but scorn. Especially since very very few of them are *ever* going to have an epiphany like the (self-pitying, self-justifying) guy who wrote the letter.
@@lip124 most can do a passable job at the least. The only persons who have trouble reading people to *that* degree are Autists. *We* must use rules of thumb, past experience usually of a most-painful nature, intense observation, and good records to do what Neurotypicals can do unconsciously upon the instant. In my case, Drumpf scared the out of me almost the minute I saw/heard about him. Discerning “Why” took me nearly a year and a half to discern why - namely, I have lived with people like that in the past (most of a decade in the case of the one who resembled him the most, and I’m getting the shakes bad as I write this. PTSD is no joke.) Once I made the connection, though - it was scary to be able to predict so much of his behavior. Only *Holocaust Survivors* do better, and my upbringing was compared by two people to being *in* such a camp. I have many of the same health problems, as well.
My problem with people saying they didn't know he was lying is that it means they weren't listening to him at all. He constantly contradicted himself, often in a single sentence.
@@PCtransplant He still does. His "tribute" to Ivana was once again 5th grade (and disingenuous) hyperbole, with a "donate" button at the bottom. Who would follow this shell of a man?
"If we nominate Trump, we will be destroyed... and we will deserve it."- Lindsey Graham, one day before Trump was named the 2016 nominee. They knew all along. They just lied to you about it.
Republicans have a habit of tearing each other apart in the primaries then rallying together and backing their man in the general and continue protecting afterward if they win.
Lindsey Graham is not a typical low information voter. He is a career politician who recognized the danger, but put his party ahead of his country. He recognized that the party had a lemon, but helped make (toxic) lemonade from it.
To the person who wrote the letter: A good portion of it isn't smugness. A good portion of it is also anger. Anger at the lives that Trump cost people. Few things will make people see red like their loved ones dead because some asshole wanted to rule the world.
Yeah...there should be a lot of folks with Covid-dead family members and friends angry at him for just that but it seems the MAGA movement meant more to many of them than their own.
@@skizeranosk True. Trump freed three and paid North Korea $2M for the publicity. Trump's efforts at diplomacy are so incredible (not). He offended everyone else. But his publicity seeking acts are on a par with Kardashian's butt. Puleeezzz...even a broken clock is right twice a day and that far exceeds Trump's record on anything.
Yes! I'm angry at their selfishness, their arrogance, their hypocrisy, their culture wars, their embrace of conspiracy theories despite evidence, their dismissing and excusing of every vile thing he did and most of all I'm angry at their "you're either for us or against us" mentality. I'm not smug or happy about being right, I'm angry at what we've had to live through for the last 7 years. I'm also scared of what's to come because their embrace of authoritarian leaders.
God, I hear this all too often….”I would do the right thing, but you’re being too smug about being right so I’ll just go on being ignorant and hateful”. It’s not smugness…..it’s exasperation. People who stayed connected to reality saw Trump as a Con Artist from day one and we’ve been pulling our hair out and screaming into the ether trying to wake his cult members up for years. YEARS.
Right??? They whine about us being “smug” while they’ve been rude and hateful since 2015. The applauded “Make Liberals Cry Again.” There is NO comparable rhetoric by liberal politicians. It’s like they want to pretend they didn’t earn the response they’re getting now over YEARS.
Yeah, screaming from the other side of the big pond here (mainly to family members in the USA) 😢. Now I'm watching anxiously, whether your citizen woke up enough to pull a hard left .... especially as the USA is still a role model in a lot of countries around the world and their citizens 🤷♀️ Take care - Europe ⚘
Also need to point out: “people are too smug”, yet in the same email “you are the only “liberal” I can bear listening to”, and “at least I’d know the emails you read aren’t fake”. I suggest that what the author is hearing isn’t smugness. The smugness comes from their ego rejecting the information by blaming the informant.
This is one of your best videos. I think it was hard, courageous for this person to come forward. But the truth has to come out. I think your advice and comments are right on many levels.
I think a big factor in "liberal" smugness towards conservatives fresh out of their silo is the attitude said conservatives had before that. If you've been calling these people libtard socialist sheeple for the past several years, I think it's only fair to expect some smugness when you finally stop.
In my case that isn't smugness they're seeing. It's contempt. When someone tells me they are a "Conservative" they're telling me they approve of the racism, the bullying, taking, or withholding people's rights from them, giving to the rich, and taking from the poor, and I find all of those things contemptible. Just because they're rational enough to FINALLY admit Trump tried to overthrow the government, that doesn't mean they aren't still a "Conservative"
You never know, though. You yourself may be the changing factor that moves them from "pissed conservative" to "liberal" or even "leftist". But only if you can connect with them, and showing contempt doesn't help (not saying don't feel contempt, just don't show it...😄)
The fact that Beau seems "liberal" to people proves just how far right the Republican party has moved. As someone who was in the Young Republicans Club in high school, yet has been a "Democrat by default" for the last 20 years, I can assure you, the modern Democratic party is center-right at best, with a small handful of liberal voices.
"center-right-pro-corporate" + "disorganized as a herd of cats" It's very frustrating how self destructive liberals are. How often they seize defeat from the jaws of victory.
The people calling Beau a liberal just weren't taught the difference between a liberal and leftist. It's very common vernacular in US politics because the right purposely tries to miscontrue the terms so they can kick down on a larger population.
Yes, many of us knew. We’re not smug. We’ve been exasperated not just since J6 but for years. None of you would even listen to us in 2015 or the lead up to the 2020 election. Trump made it clear what he was going to do. We on the left care about people on the right (when we work for workers, we work for you, when we campaign for the environment, we work for you), and for decades people on the right has been fed fear and hate about us and so our voices were useless. All we got was attacked for trying to give you a head’s up.
Look, a lot of people simply didn't want another Bush or Clinton. Both parties failed to offer up a real choice, so the country chose wild card. And wild card is what they got. Both parties need to do a better job offering up new ideas, younger people, etc. Not everyone who voted for Trump in 2015 believed him or even cared. They just wanted change from the same back and forth they'd been fed since literally 1992.
Exactly THIS. THEIR RACISM kept them in that information silo. So Fvck them. They helped ruin this country by shoveling shit AND still have the nerve to hold the shovel behind their backs (the same personal belief system) while they say the didn’t realize DJ and slimy cohorts where untrustworthy.
Racism, sexism, crimes, theft, bankruptcies, etc, etc, etc. It was all out there he's been the same guy since the 80s. They just lazily voted for their "team" didn't care who he was. Now the country is ruined & they want a pass...still isn't their fault...they are still the victims & democrats are shrill & mean to them. 🙄 45 definitely attracted people emotionally trapped at age 12 & 13.
And that's the fucking problem. They could have seen that and backed away. But they didn't. They thought that THEY would never become his victim, and they were totally ok with OTHERS becoming his victim. That fact that others could be a target of somebody should tell you that you also aren't safe from that somebody. If you don't see that, then that's on you.
I must admit to being a little smug about all this. I was literally banging on the dinner table making a scene in public telling friends how damn dangerous it was to have this lunatic at the helm, in ‘15. Then, I told them after he lost the election; hold on, he’s not leaving. He’s going to pull some bullsh**, and try to stay in office - because that’s what a dictator does. I really wish I had been wrong.
Smug still just doesn’t feel like the right word. I’m full of rage. I’m exasperated. Smug says we’re proud that we knew all this time. I’m not proud of being able to see through his bullshit. I had to go through some shitty shit in life to know what a narcissist looks like. I am beyond angry that people were so dismissive of his destructive personality thinking it was just cool and edgy to be about a Cheeto colored human being. I am not enjoying this feeling of “I told you so.” I hate being right about shit like this. I would have loved to have been proven wrong. 😞
His opening statement says it all. "You're the only liberal I can stand" Because of the extremely effective propaganda machines, the RW has been conditioned to hate liberals. Noone wants to think that they can be easily influenced but people are way more influenced than they'd ever want to admit. Ask yourself: Does advertisement work on me? Do political ad work on me? The answer is YES, you can rationalize your way around it all you want, they are very effective on you.
Anybody who is easily swayed by advertising - especially political ads - is stupid, in IQ as well as EQ. And you also have to be either stupid or incredibly ignorant to be at risk of getting trapped in an information silo. It is free and easy to find out how "the other side" is thinking and reporting about an issue. I watch Fox and MSNBC, read Breitbart and Mother Jones, as well as seek out foreign perspectives such as Al Jazeera and RT. So...how did I avoid the information silos and echo chambers? Nobody pulled me out of one....I'm just not stupid enough to fall down one in the first place. Intelligence is the difference..
The “how did you know” hits a chord with me. How did I know he was a liar in his 2016 campaign? Because he’s been a lying con for the 2 decades prior that I had witnessed, on top of the 1-2 decades prior to that when I wasn’t paying attention. To me, it’s a case of people choosing to believe what they want to hear instead of acknowledging demonstrable reality.
Exactly. I'm not real old, or smart. There are hundreds of articles on trump before 2015. Not many are positive, or put trump in a nice light. He's been known to walk out of interviews for excessively petty things, since before I was born. He's been known to berate people for innocuous actions, and choices. He's always been like this. I don't know how others don't see it beyond choosing to believe what they want to believe.
Because, as Beau said, he's NOT dumb. He fell for it because he WANTED to believe that hate-fuelled crap. This guy doesn't like the left's smugness? Well, fuck him. He's a big boy, now he must face the consequences of his speech and actions.
I don’t know how anyone didn’t know. The whole thing stunk from the very beginning. Literally everything was fishy business or telegraphed beforehand. If you didn’t know it’s because you chose to bury your head in the sand and ignore reality. If you didn’t know then, but you do know now please wipe the sand out of your ears and pay attention this time. Our literal existence depends on it.
Fascist leaders always come to power not because people believe in what they say, but because they have the ability to tell the people exactly what they want to believe in, thus in time becoming able to manipulate them in believing whatever else they want
Yup, that was my thought as well during the video. He felt for it because deep down it touched a chord inside him. He enjoyed the hateful rhetoric. I once heard somewhere that seduction isn't manipulating people into doing something they don't want to; it's convincing them to do something they _already_ want to do. He doesn't like the smugness? Well, imagine how the minorities Trump's term hurt are feeling right now.
Based on the never ending fake news stories being peddled by the media and leftist losers who still repeat those fake news stories even today, yeah... you probably didn't know what you were talking about.
And the WHOLE TIME they had no self-awareness to realize they were projecting all of their shortcomings and ability to be fooled and conned onto us. I tried patience. I tried facts. Then I just turned as ugly to them as they were to us. I would like to hope I might have changed one mind, but they wanted to stay in their euphoria of mushroom existence. Or maybe they just wanted to do a long term ostrich impression. I have animosity due to what has happened to our country. The damage, hate and division that has been caused by the very loud, obnoxious, irrational, lack of facts, bigoted hate monger, name calling, cult members is going to take decades to repair. The only things keeping me afloat are my belief in Garland, Fani Willis and ALL of the ammunition they and the SCOTUS have armed us with going into the mid-terms. Because those recent decisions have been enough to make people vote blue, I think.
@@randibgood Jussie Smollett, Bubba Wallace, border patrol agents whipping migrants, Kyle Rittenhouse carrying a rifle across state lines, BLM mostly peaceful protests, and COVID vaccines will prevent transmission and infection of COVID. Lies lies lies. The ten year old girls' story is built on omissions and obfuscation. Beau is more than happy to influence your thinking on any possible divisive topic. Justin King is a self proclaimed anarchist. He lives in England. He hates you. He wants to see America fail.
Trump's dishonesty has always been excruciatingly OBVIOUS. His supporters are willfully ignorant, pitifully stupid, and delusional. It's hard to imagine what it must be like, to live or work with these people. Condolences to their families, coworkers, and communities.
Kinda boring at this point. And a crisis of imagination (my new favorite term as it seems to explain a whole lot of what is going on in the US and the world right now... sad).
Classic division politics. If they don't agree with you completely, they're a 'liberal.' But all liberals are only socialists who haven't got the balls to admit it. And all socialists are communists who know better than to use that dirty word around here. And all communists are nazis, and all nazis are possessed by demons, and you can't believe anything a demon would say, right? Muddy the waters, confuse the terms, shift the goalposts, just a little bit, and soon you've got a voter base who think their only chance for salvation is their own ingrained biases.
The scales have tilted so far to the right by the republicans, but also at fault are moderate Dems stuck in a past where they could make deals with a Republican Party not yet sunk into the more of fascism. I don't like the word fascist, and rebuked many friends who threw the word around whenever they disagreed with others less Len then they. But todays Republican Party has all the hallmarks of a fascist party, and they keep sinking furthe and further. The question is, will they drag the rest of us down?
CLEARLY NOT ALL "EYES TO SEE" SEE THE SAME THING! jesus, that man didn't get voted into office bc he didn't have help!! the GOP is at the center of it and they are about to do it again.!!! just like the Dems are gonna put up slow joe!
We have all been so tired of being treated like we were hysterical when we were pointing real fears at the time and then get gaslit when those same bad things happen. Its exhausting...
@@skizeranosk The US has been at peace for something like 20 years in its 245 year history. A world war requires there to be an opponent that could rival the US and its allies. Trump spent his term alienating his allies (trade wars) and bolstering the position of adversarial countries (kids in cages is a bad look if you want to criticise other human rights abuses) you could see how it might already be in motion. I hope not. We're not big fans of war where I'm from. But even the most hysterical thing you can think of, Trump worked towards. You might have even cheered him along. I'm not smug about it. At this stage I'm almost apathetic about it. The US has always* been at war. Not my problem. Climate change is going to fuck us regardless and my government isn't exactly being urgent about it either even when the Green Party (an austerity version) is in power with them. So not smug. Not hysterical either, just sad.
And part of doing better is continuing to educate yourself so that you continue to know better about other issues as well, which I hope this person does
"the only liberal I can stand to listen to for any length of time" First thought: And he calls us smug? [roll eyes] Second thought: That's your problem right there. YOU. DIDN'T. LISTEN. TO. US! If you had spent any time listening to the liberals you would have known too.
It's the "stand to" that gets me. I hear it over and over, read it again and again, and it really feels like having to consider an alternate point of view causes them physical pain.
@@theprojectproject01 I can get it somewhat. Trying to listen to Tucker Carlson causes me physical pain, though calling him "an alternative point of view" is giving him too much credit. A lot of the people right wingers say they can't "stand to listen to" are nowhere near as inflammatory or overtly liars as Tucky Tumtums though, with most liberals being rather milquetoast and conservative.
The smugness comes from him being in the spotlight since 1980… where he’s shown his character to be less than trustworthy & has repeatedly shown nothing but disdain for people who have nothing to offer him.
Even in the '80s, the "greed is good" decade, Donald Trump was known as a conman and an example of everything unsavory about wealth and business. And Trump's base skews older; they remember this just as well as I do. Everything they needed to know about Donald Trump, they knew for *decades* before 2015. They just chose to forget; partly because they thought reality TV is real, but mostly because he appealed to their own unsavory qualities.
@@andyjulia Me too. From that episode and before that, an interview for a magazine I read, I was able to tell that he had an oversized ego and likes to show off his wealth. And lots of other things starting in the mid-1980s.
My mother believed Trump - believed when he told her the election was stolen, believed when he told her covid was only a cold. She died for her beliefs... of covid. I couldn't get through the noise. To any out there who still believe, please come back. Please, don't be as my mother - lost forever. Your country needs you. Liberal, conservative - doesn't matter. Those are secondary. If we don't retain our democracy, neither of those labels will apply.
Every politician and major publication said Covid would be no worse than the flu. It was the most biparitisan agreement I've ever seen. Pelosi saying 'Come to Chinatown!' De Blasio _instructing_ New Yorkers to take no virus precautions until *mid-March.* So don't make Trump your assigned boogeyman for something that _no one else knew better about._ This is what angers me so much about the laser-focus on hating Trump: there are so many other people out there who got away with their evil and incompetence, because they focused us on Trump while their own crimes went down the memory hole.
I am sorry for your loss. I hope you know there was nothing you could do to convince her. The right-wing propaganda mongers have had people's minds in a vise grip for so long that it's impossible to free them unless they want to be freed.
I'm sure a lot of us have lost contact with people in our lives because of Trumpism. I can't imagine how hard it would be to physically lose a loved one to his propaganda and lies.
I KNEW. I knew from the very beginning. Not 2015-16. I knew from the 1970s and 80s. Then or 2015 or 2020, he was never good or smart or honest. Yes, we can all get conned under the right circumstances. But the Trump circumstances should never ever been acceptable.
Biden has lower poll numbers than Trump had. We have been conned by the democrats; funny that Trump is still the public scapegoat. 😁😁😁 Even the democrats don't want Biden, or Harris in 2024. Beau is playing you for channel views.
I think it's not smugness, it's judgement. It's hard not to judge those who stood by someone who banned all people from one of the main world religions; who used hate speech about women, handicapped, and others; who downplayed a disease that ended up killing many more people it needed to in the US; who tried to blackmail the president of a struggling democracy to investigate his rival's son; who brought white supremacy back into style... and I could go on and on.
Wow. You just repeated a long list of absolute lies. - Trump never banned a religion. There was no muslim ban. The supreme court affirmed this. - What hate speech? His comment about how rich guys can grab their p***y and get away with it? What about his comment was inaccurate? He never said he did it. He said "could". - He never made fun of a handicapped reporter. Absolute lies. The truth hurts. th-cam.com/video/Fq3LDjCSUIo/w-d-xo.html - Trump a white supremacist? you know he's dated black women right? And was given a lifetime achievement award by the NAACP? And under his administration minorities did better than any time in US history.
Just remember the power of wishful thinking and denial. I’ll be an example. I know Biden has a lot of serious problems. I voted for him in spite of those because I believe Trump and his policies are objectively worse. Trump supporters gave him the benefit of the doubt, too, dismissing his racism and racist baiting as being misinterpreted or out of context and pointing out ways Obama and Biden are bad, too.
I calculated 884.9 K avoidable Covid19 deaths, using the death rate in Australia, which going by size and a mix of very urban and very, very rural areas, seemed like a reasonable bench mark. And of course, it's not just the deaths. It's the relatives left behind, it's long Covid19 which can make it harder for people to do their work and keep their job, ... and goodness knows how much damage the general anti-science stance Trump spread has done and will do in the future.
I don't think it's smugness as much as anger and frustration. Just look at what the Supreme Court has done...this woman is fed up! I've tried to have reasonable, courteous conversations with Trump supporters, always met with smugness from them, even called names just because I disagreed with them. Kudos to you!
From my experience, there's rarely any learning from these situations either. Sure, they've recognize they were duped now, but how long until they're sucked back into the next thing (the next thing that harms people btw)? Just look how "reasonable" conservatives still fall for the repeating culture war cycles, or how they recognized their homophobia was wrong, but now they've gone full throttle into transphobia I guess sometimes, you just can't free a fish from water
@@LBCAndrew Do you get paid to troll, or is it just something you receive pleasure from? Because the vast majority of people that watch this channel are not of your mindset and the side of these topics Beau is on, is not your side. So, you just like to get your short, skinny stick out to stir shit up, because you have no friends and no life? I'm thinking it's the latter and not the former.
@@LBCAndrew so it essentially gives states the right to take away a woman's bodily autonomy and the right to direct her own life. Let's not forget this decision can also affect girls as young as 9 or 10.
"Is there something I am missing?" Yes, yes, and I don't know how to say this without it coming off as "smug" but it is not intended to be, but the truth is that you had the same access to valid, reliable, non-partisan information but you chose not to seek it out or to listen to it. It wasn't hidden, it was available to you, but you elected to turn a blind eye, and that is on you. What is important though is that instead of trying to seek validation that you weren't "just stupid" you own this mistake and you do some reflection on how it happened, how did you believe so many many lies, and why and instead of still making the "smug liberals" the bad guys you ask your party, why did you push lies over and over and over? That is the side that deserves your anger.
Its not just that they don't seek out information, its that they choose to believe obvious, unsophisticated lies that very plainly only serve their long existing biases and have no remote connection to reality. Apparently its easier, and preferable, to hate than learn? #americanexceptionalism #americaneducationalproduct
@@susanbrewer9303 Unpopular, but absolutely correct. My mate (not American) is fairly liberal, but still pays a subscription to The Telegraph, which is a right wing UK newspaper, just so he can see the slant that they put on various stories and incidents that he would only otherwise read about in the guardian. I mean, he’s paying the subscription while holding his nose, but it certainly gives a broader perspective.
If some have been smug, it's because for 6 yrs we've been watching the country fall apart. Many of us have been ridiculed and abused for years now. Some have been killed and others are afraid for their lives. It takes guts to admit a mistake. I hope you hang out here for awhile and keep learning. There's alot of good people here.
The amount of nasty trolling that was being done by Trump supporters against anybody that fact checked their core beliefs on social media might account for a lot of the "smugness".
Another point for the person writing this message is to ask yourself "If I allowed myself to fall into the information silo about Trump, what else have I allowed myself to be manipulated into believing?". When you say "You're the only liberal I can stand to listen too" it shows that you're being closed minded and probably believe a lot of untruths about liberals, and other things, and label anyone you don't agree with a "liberal". Party politics is poison to our Democracy.
The writer was basically admitting that he couldn't stand to hear the truth from the other people. He needed to hear it from the right. Remember the tape was the hard hitting evidence he needed. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger were RINO so their voices were like liberal voices. I agree with the original post...identity politics is destroying this country. Prime examples: Trump campaign on infrastructure and Republicans loved it but when democrats brought to the floor every republican voted against it. That's not how you run a government.
@@IMeMineWho I probably should change my username. It's a long story but I used to be in a band. I played guitar and sang lead vocals. I started this account because I was going to use it to upload videos of my band playing, but, life happens, and the band didn't.....😂🤣😂🤣
@@Iseerightthruyou I sing in tribute bands..last one was a Who trib. Most bands I think have a shelf life. Im starting a Brit Invasion and glam rock satire one. Our drummer has been in and out of the hospital and looking for a 2nd guitar now. So I hear ya! What bands are you into? !🎶🐦😄
@@IMeMineWho I like all kinds of music. I will even listen to country if I am drunk and my dog died....🤣🤣. I really like the older stuff like The Who, Journey, Beatles, etc. The obvious ones of course, but when I played all of the time, I really enjoyed playing things like Metallica, Testament, Megadeth, etc That is how my username came to be. We played a birthday party, for a guy that only listened to country music. So we obliged him (his party) and played country most of the night. One of the people came up and said " You guys are a good country band" and my drummer said "We play rock too so f*ck off" and my screen name for the band was born....🤣😂🤣😂
Lol. "Why is everyone acting like they knew this all along?" Because we knew it all along. We pointed it out all along. When you finally start believing something that's been said for years it kind of proves that someone knew it all along. If you have to imagine it was some sort of lucky guess to make yourself look less gullible that's the definition of being smug.
To the individual who wrote in, if you see this: Bare in mind that even the perception of our side being smug (while many times accurate) is amplified in the silo to make sure that even if you think independently, you’ll stay out of fear that no one outside of the silo will accept you and treat you with dignity. We may not agree on a lot of things, maybe even vociferously disagree, but if you’re on the path of deradicalization, many of us will still welcome you
Thank you for writing this. When I read your post, it felt like a small piece that was missing finally **clicked** in my understanding of why conservatives are so resistant to discussing things calmly with us.
People who can't find safety and support from us (center) are very likely to accept the false safety of lying thugs (alt right). We have to continue to open their eyes and ears in order to follow the safe path.
OK my answer to "how did you know?" I've never lived in the New York area. Most of my life is in California, and all I knew about Donald was that he was a guy who did some flashy stuff in his little corner of the East coast, then became a bit of a meme as a reality show host. So, leaving out the stuff New Yorkers were familiar with... 1. He was a Democrat up until the point where he decided to run for President. 2. His opening move in that campaign was laced with bigoted language. "[The Mexicans] are bringing crime, they're bringing drugs..." Anyone who's spent any time studying this knew that those who cross the border do so out of desperation and there's practically no terrorists, and a tiny minority of those are associated with the cartels. Frankly the main reason he did surprisingly well among Latin Americans is because he insulted Mexicans on a regular basis. 3. His proposals to deal with complex issues were like a carnival barker selling Springfield a monorail: Boondoggles sold by a con man. 4. Once he was sworn in, the first thing he did was impose a travel ban on all Muslims except Saudis. 5. He marketed himself as this "genius billionaire" which financial tabloid rags like _Fortune_ accepted without due diligence, but you don't see his football league, his casinos, his university, his steaks, or his vodka anymore. He's a "genius" and yet he can't sell meat and booze to _Americans._ By the time the attempted extortion of Ukraine ("That phone call was PERFECT") rolled around, I knew he'd act like Mussolini or Hitler. He didn't respect the election when he _won,_ there was no way he'd accept defeat.
There's a video on a different channel from a while back about how trump talked out on the campaign trail, and why it worked. It was the death of the euphemism, and people just didn't know how to react. He said the quiet stuff out loud, and wasn't afraid to do it. th-cam.com/video/0dBJIkp7qIg/w-d-xo.html
As to liberal snugness 1) how could you fine Americans not see what kind of person that NYC CONMAN WAS 2) how snug of whom was it to be "owning the libs" with his lies ? Want respect ? Give respect ?
Its not smugness to point out ALL the red flags they ignored ...like the millions he had to pay back to the victims of his phoney university scam or the millions more he paid to settle when his so called chariety was revealed as an illegal tax fraud scheme... As my grandmother used to tell people, hey you knew it was a snake before YOU decided to pick it up...its just honesty & accountability, not smugness
@@jefflockaby702 But, but, but, it was a snake sent by God to show my dominion over you evil sodalists. Read the Bible, Jesus was capitalist who wrote the US Consecution !!! die, sinner. So how dare you suggest we are snug ?
There were so many frightening things that were demonstrated by the whole Trump episode that I was seriously wondering if this was the way my country would be destroyed.
My God you are being so kind to this person. The real reason that they were taken in so easily was that they didn't WANT to see! "There are none so blind than those that REFUSE to see!".
I really do think the fact that Trump was saying that the election was going to be fraudulent unless he won months before a single vote had been cast was clue enough to know what he was going to do.
Yeah. I didn't want to believe it would lead to a full scale insurrection, but when I saw what was happening on Jan. 6 I was not the least bit surprised. Angry? You better believe it. But not surprised.
Watching this channel and a certain episode about the 14 characteristics of a dictator was what got me wise and scared the hell out of me! I'm grateful for him and this channel for opening my eyes.
Beau you are uniquely qualified to deliver this exact message. Your compassion and understanding is showing. Your life experience and the people surrounding you in your extended community contributed to making this ability to deliver this message your super power. How can you deliver this message on a larger scale?
I'm a smug anti-Trumper who recognized his idiocy when the book "The Art of the Deal" was released. It was obvious to me then. My friends and I laughed at him. I just can't understand why everyone didn't see it too. And he was allowed to wreck the country.
Probably because most of his supporters never read the book and thought the edited reality TV show was the real him. But anyone voting for this gold toilet guy after grabbing them by the...... Before he was elected especially by the Christian community is astounding it Was red flags 101.
@@kadmii Correct in the sense that the *only* way to make sense of MAGAland is to understand that it's filled with people who know nothing, absolutely nothing, beyond what they stare at on TeeVee. But I guess I'm being smug.
I knew he was a liar and a con-man from day one too. It just baffled me that others couldn't see it. And even now people still love and trust Trump. I don't get it.
Beau , as much as I appreciate your words, trump did what only Reagan would allude too , trump got not just national religious leaders on his side , he got local church deacons mouthing his words , I sat through my mom's wake, my sister set it up , her preacher talked like a guest on fox News, even had a chalk board to connect his ideas of Baptist being God's chosen people. This Cancer grew from within, wrapped in a flag holding a Bible!
Went back to Nixon.. They were mad that a Catholic Dem was elected...this started the raving and they got behind Nixon....the beginning of the end. The last GQP leader who was not an actual puppet was Nixon. Ford had to tow the party line and pardon him...then Reagan, who was literally senile.
And just like a cancer cell, American fascism just evolved to exploit the weaknesses of American's immune system; it's lack of effective church-state separation and it's blind nationalism.
That used to be me, but then I got therapy for ptsd from a very empathic and non-judgmental counselor who taught me to stop hating myself for things I couldn't control. A light bulb went off, and I came to the realization that everything I thought I knew about how people have complete control over their lives and poverty, and the whole pull yourself up by the bootstraps mantra of the Republican party was wrong. And then the GOP nominated Trump as their man and that was the last straw. I wish the kind of therapy I got was available to everyone who get caught up in hateful information silos.
Trouble is, Elena, one has to seek help. If they don't recognize anything's wrong, they have no reason to get help. Glad you saw your way out and hope you're much better for the experience. Peace.
What still amazes me is that schools don't teach what communism and socialism are? How can one come up with the idea of calling the US Democratic Party communist or socialist?
If this person is running into smug "liberals" I want them to think back when they were fully supporting Trump. MAGA just about 100% of the time means rude, arrogant, threatening bullies. Of course there are exceptions but for the most part Trump supporters were horrible people that wanted to run over anyone that didn't support him. I think Let's Go Brandon was the straw that broke the back of most people that wanted Trumpism to die. This person is on the right track it seems and I hope they are able to follow Beau's advice...
"Liberals have to be the adults, Conservatives are the children". Inherent in the whole concept is that Conservatives have weak cognitive abilities but SHHHHHH... don't call them "stupid" or get angry... be kind and nurturing and gentle, as if you were talking to a petulant 4 year old. For effs sake these are grown ups with guns and voting rights. But yes, that's what liberals have to do. Be calm and reasonable with absolute moronic lunatics so they don't start World War III out of "spite". Fuck.
Meh. If this person was full on MAGA they were a fascist. Truth be told, they may well still be. I'd be very skeptical of any "recovery". Fascism is an idea pathogen. Critical thinking and reason are the cure.
Who were and still are threatening civil war supporting white supremacists religious fanatics overthrow democracy supporting Putin ruining the constitution supporting mass killings. You can only stand so much frustration
I have trouble feeling any sympathy for these people because Trump said every racist and misogynist comment right out in the open. They repeated it on every single site and network that cheers for Trump. So, ok, you missed his lies, but you co-signed his bigotry. There's no denying that. You're not dumb. You're racist/sexist. Work on that.
It doesn't matter one bit how smart a person is if they're just rationalizing backwards from a preassumed conclusion. In fact, being smarter in that case just results in ever more elaborate methods of confirmation bias.
And even is what you say is true(it is) The problem this person has is that you pointed it out in way that makes him think that you think that he's and idiot. Which is just projection. They know they're dumb but can't stand liberal people knowing it too.
I don't quite see how it could ever be an insult in a nation that loves to advertise itself as a bastion of liberty, if not the inventor of the concept.
Not all people in the other party have different policy. Im more independent and Progressive. No way will I vote for a GOP today. His is not the party of Eisenhower.
Smug? No. Smug is not what I'm feeling here. Fed up and unsympathetic? Yeah, I'll own some of that. Anybody with even half a lick of awareness had Trump's measure early-mid 2016.
Yup. Politically I guess I had a right wing background, just like my father and his father before him. Country as all get out. I didn’t realise that Trump wasn’t a successful businessman and I thought it would be great to have somebody who wasn’t a politician. Within a couple of months of him being elected I realised it was all a con and he was actually a narcissistic self-centred self aggrandising grifter. It’s hard not to be smug when you see a pompous fool like Trump come a gutzer (Aussie for falling on your face). Solely because of Trump for the first time in my life in our last federal election I voted as far left wing as I could possibly get. The question is if I could see this all the way from Australia why the hell couldn’t people in America see it? I spent 10 years working in America in the 1980s, great country a lot of good people. How Trump could fool so many of those people for so long is the question I grapple with daily.
@@michaelorourke1758 Me too. However, it’s understandable for those who grew up with reality tv, & with NBC promoting him a successful billionaire businessman. A lot of Americans take things at face value.
Yeah, "smug" implies a degree of satisfaction, and "satisfied" is not a word I'd describe my mood with right now. Unsympathetic, though, absolutely. I don't want to scare off conservatives trying to get out of the information silo: I'm glad they're doing it and I think it takes courage. But there are millions who nearly followed a con man into a coup, and I won't deny, that's a bit of a sore spot for me. That's something the ex-MAGA needs to acknowledge and come to terms with -- not just in the name of national healing, but in the name of not letting it happen again.
Trump and his enablers told you what you wanted to hear. It was easy to dismiss his lies and contradictions because he hated the same people you hate, and gave you permission to be out loud and proud about your hatred.
The people that you've spot on described there is his base and who elected him their president. They wanted a bad guy to do their evil shit and they found him. They're willing to burn the place down just to be king of the ashes. The fact that they haven't purged him and everything he represents from their party after 1-6 is all the proof anyone could need. I want to believe there's people out there like the author but it's so difficult.
I have been puzzled by people my age and older who remember Trump from way before he was a reality star. He was a fucking punchline; a joke. They remember and dove head first into the silo anyway.
I tried to see what everyone around me saw in Trump. I thought I must be missing something. They were so sure, so smug about Trump, Russia, Putin, etc. It's been a nightmare. Thanks, Beau, for being an anchor in reality.
I imagine that at least some of the smugness is from the irony of having been called sheep, blind, etc. Not saying that it is a good reaction, but it is much the same dark satisfaction you might get from someone calling you clumsy, only form them to immediately trip over their own feet.
I think also we’re tired af from being bullied and now standing up for ourselves and that’s perceived as negative. Also, don’t come late to the party empty handed and expect not to be teased a bit.
I'm completely out of sympathy for that guy and everyone like him. They're just someone who got conned and can't admit it. If they hadn't been so eager to stick it to the libs maybe they would've been aware they were getting took.
All fair points...except you forgot to mention forgive and forget... Doesn't matter why the Guy got it wrong,it matters that he is no longer fooled...One more of us...One less of them...Be grateful and accept him...
@@kinlika WTF Liberal centrist bullshit is that? "forgive and forget"??? No, people might have been conned in certain aspects, but they knew what they liked about Trump, they weren't conned about the fascist, racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc. "policies", they knew and they liked them, they openly supported fascism and "Nazis get the rope". The people who keep chanting about personal responsibility and pulling themselves by their bootstraps have a lot of thinking and work to do. They are not one of us, us and them are not people who support Trump and people who don't it's people who are able to distinguish reality from fiction and those who aren't, they still don't know how they were conned, they don't see it and they will fall again. Sorry for the rantish reply but your take is utter bullshit, take care.
@@kinlika the whole conservative / regressive / reactionary spectrum was standing behind DJT in order to use him as vehicle to transport their ideology and their political goals. Do you really think that these people who now realize that DJT was a lying scumbag have changed all their policy positions that made them follow him in the first place ? All the egoistical, small-government-unless-it's-my-rights, big-government-unless-it's-my-rights, anti civcil right, anti social rights, anti workers rights, anti equality rights, racist, religious, libertarian biggots with their assault guns in their braindead, heartless hands ?
@@mrsnarks4291 Well I can understand your opinion but the thing is,someone has to make the first move toward reconciling the Nations differences, rebuilding societies belief in the rule of law..An Olive branch... Make no mistake from a European perspective we see the damage Trump caused around the world and at home.. He is a thoroughly unsuitable person to be the leader of the free world.. All Politicians are capable of speaking from both sides of their mouths at the same time... Trump is poorly educated, not a good people person, he is a rude arrogant boorish Oaf.. Labelling honourable people with derisory names 'Pocahontas' ... 'Rocket Man ' .... ''Crooked Hillary'' What a thoroughly disgusting human being..For the World to overcome Trumpism the lead has to be taken by American of both Political hues... There are plenty of Republicans who detest Trump ...
Many of us in the NYC area knew him as "Don the con" as far back as the 70's....to us it wasn't much of a shock, but I can see how he could pull it off...he's had a TON of practice......
@@jamescolvin575 Actually, what part of "Dude tried to violently overthrow the government and install himself as f*cking Supreme Ruler" did you miss? Authoritarian mindset much?
"Bah, that was just the liberal media and SOROS trying to paint Trump as the bad guy, he doesn't actually lie that much" I was proud when my gramps was able to admit that Trump lied at least some of the time. It was progress. :(
you gotta realize that, they also had a counter media platform that countered everything that came from the left. FOX news is a great example. The louder and more sinister their tactics was. The better.
I shared this on my page starting my comment off with it's difficult to admit when we're wrong. We got some things wrong during the pandemic and there were people trying to say we were making a mistake. Now studies are coming out saying things like shut downs did more harm than good overall. It's the same with those who believed Trump.
I agree with you but I'm not sure the pandemic shutdowns would be a good example. Roughly 1/3 of the country failed to shut down the way the proponents said was necessary for the strategy to work. So the response, "How can you say the shutdown failed when we never did it?" is a valid one. Your point still stands; I'd just pick a different example.
Thank you for that. It is so hard to imagine the force and weight of all the misinformation directed at ordinary people who want to do right. There is so much power behind it. So much fear and threat. Not least the threat of breaking up a loved family. It’s been a very sad, terrible few years.
The reason people are smug is because when they tried to legitimately and honestly point out the truth and facts, they were so thoroughly demonized, attacked, accused of being monstrous, and traitors. So yeah, if you were made out to be a monster and exonerated, you would be smug too.
Now is not the time for smugness. To save our democracy, we need enlightened folk. Let's welcome them back with open arms. It's detrimental to hold a grudge for personal reasons when so much is at stake. We are bigger than this.
@@donnahopper9799 But it's not personal reasons. This wasn't some spat. This was people voting a dangerous, greedy liar into office, and it caused about 885 K deaths. And that's just the Covid-19 count. (Look at the death rate of the US and of nations comparable to the US had which took the pandemic serious, then calculate how many Covid deaths could have been avoided. I used Australia: similar size and variation in population) Plus, that letter writer didn't give an example of that 'smugness'. I very much suspect that people going "thank goodness that toxic clown is finally going down and the January 6th rioters see some consequences for their actions!!" look smug to him. But that's not smug. Neither is being relieved to no longer be villified for pointing out the truth.
@@donnahopper9799 As angry as I get at them, you really are correct in how we should approach people. I have to be honest: how I talk to those I politically don't agree with changes along with how those people are approaching their intended audience. In other words, if the post is a nasty one, I'll usually respond in kind. But if it's coming from a place where I can tell they're not trying to troll, I become more receptive and an actual discussion ensues. These latter exchanges really are more satisfying to me. More exchanges of ideas and the possibility of greater understanding of each other. But that's still gotta rest on a foundation of knowledge/education. If not having, then seeking. Edit: And also rest on a more even-keeled mindset. I realize how gross it was for me that Trump and other self-centered, autocrat-style politicians rule(d) by the whimsical nature of ego and, by extension, reflexive emotion. So it's something I personally need to mind when engaging with others over contentious thingds.
@@donnahopper9799 As a Republican Anti-Trumper, let me tell you what you are not understanding about Trumpers in my party: They don't give a crap about anyone but THEM. They are the most SMUG people you will ever meet. And they are so delicate if you hurt their feelings. Do not welcome them back with open arms, they will just STAB you in the back when its convenient for them. THE HARDER AND MORE PAINFUL THIS LESSON IS FOR THEM, the more they will remember it; They only care about how things affect JUST them.
@@donnahopper9799 I don't care if people are smug, frankly. But I'm not welcoming anyone who tried to kill me back with open arms. We're not just talking about people who disagreed with us politically. We're talking about people who tried (and are still trying) to start a civil war, install a Christo-fascist government on every level, and remove civil and human rights from their fellow citizens all because they're afraid of living in a nation where white people aren't the majority. Stop saying "we're bigger than this." Not holding people accountable for their actions is why this stuff never went away after the 1960s & 70s. And people like you ignored the calls for attention over that last 25 years to the fact that our police forces and military are brimming with white supremacists who happily supported this man and others like him. This is bigger than Trump. They supported Trump (and the rest of his ilk) because he wanted deliver on the type of country they wanted to live in -- one where anyone who wasn't like them was treated as a 2nd-class citizen or worse. This is not the time for hugging and kumbayah. This is the time to show that you can't just try to start a civil war or install an authoritarian government without consequences. Feel free to enlighten people as much as you want, but these folks weren't just pawns. They were *Willing Pawns* because Trump's policies and machinations served their goals.
I get to say this from the outside looking in. So this is probably a little unfair to those on the inside. But it is obvious to most people outside of the US what a craven liar he is and how unfit he is a leader. He lies to you because he can. He found fertile soil for his lies to take root and be repeated. Some need to learn to think critically, to be an observer (watch what they do not what they say) know your history and where these types of things lead. As soon as I heard he was running I was like surely they won’t because if they do it is going to turn out bad, and maybe not just for the US. Incompetent leaders surround themselves with even less competent people because they are threatened. His desire for loyalty superseded the desire for capability. He needed to surround himself with with sycophants and yes men because his ego can bear nothing less. Everything that Trump touches dies. At least now one can have an example of what a confidence man looks like. “Believe me, I am the only one.” This should have been your queue for your bullshit meter to be five alarm fire. The man could barely put together coherent sentences. All talk, no results. Took credit for others work and accomplishments. Still has no redeeming qualities at all. The propaganda told people what to think. You want not to be fooled again, you need at least two perspectives and need to learn not to identify with either one. Feeling a little salty on this one.
Yeah, but the rise of right wing lunatics across the globe says you're not quite right. We've been witnessing Trump-like figures gain power throughout Europe, South America, and Asia in recent years. This isn't just an American thing, and it doesn't help anyone to pretend so.
In our defense, a *LOT* of us saw, spoke out, stated unequivocally that he was every horrible thing you just said and more. Let it not be said that America went down without a lot of people fighting against these Republican grifters and criminals. We did. We saw the writing on the wall. We knew the history. We know what happens when politics turns like this. We know how fragile our democracy is. We know how easily the corrupted system can get torn down with nothing to replace it. We.... *I* have been fighting this monster and his evil principles ever since the day he won the Republican nomination. And I'm not alone. So, there's reason for concern, but there's no reason to throw in the towel, yet. I'm not gonna.
Absolutely on point. I could see this coming from miles away in 2020.........and I'm from Africa. Then again, when it started getting really over the top with his so many, what looked to me, as obviously illegal and decidedly criminal actions by a through and through Conman with enough past record of that, I used to defend the Country and it's System and kept arguing that there'll someday, be a reckoning. At times I have been doubtful of my own words and thought that maybe I'd seen too many movies with the cavalry coming through at the last minute. Well, this January 6th committee led by a staunch Republican, looks very much it. Now if only your Justice department does it's duty to the Country and not fall back to that "saving an institution" excuse. Because that really would be a death knell to Democracy in the US and will result in irrepairable damage to America's standing and it's stage in the World of today.
I watched my husband's family fall into the same trap. It was really sad that we were pretty much disowned from that side of the family because we saw it was a con. You were conned and it is that simple. The hardest part is owing up to it for yourself. It is hard to admit that you know you were taken advantage of. Please take the advise and stay well informed and look at multiple sources.
It’s easy to laugh and snicker at these people when they are the ones who were calling everyone sheep, they were so arrogant and confident, some still are even after all this.
The sheep comment has bothered me - not because I'm being called one but these people call themselves the religious right and don't even seem to understand that the Sheep knows its master's voice. In the end the Sheep will be separated from the goats. Call me Sheep all day long, I know my master! In the end times, what is good shall be called bad and what is bad will be called good - seems like the religious right needs to read their bible. The religious right are like the Pharisees - Jesus didn't like them either.
I take no pride in having perceived who Trump is from the first exposure to him. How can I take any credit for who I am? It's perplexing to me more than anything else that so many people are predisposed to being duped by con artists. And we ALL have to live with the consequences.
Very well said. I think we have earned the right to be smug and judgmental. It’s lazy to let others inform you of what your beliefs are and I don’t think anyone gets any credit for coming clean now. The truth has been excruciatingly visible for a long time and so much damage has already been done for me to sympathize with anyone who remains duped or anyone who knows the truth but continues to push far right agendas. Sorry not sorry.
Great point. I don’t feel smug - I feel fed up. Countless hours spent trying to come up with ways to convince people He’s a lying fascist and we’re finally getting somewhere. This is what it takes to convince Americans of the truth??
But the ones that have been trying to tell you about the orange one BUT you had hate for me NOW YOU SEE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET YOU TO UNDERSTAND AND BELIEVE!!! 🤔
Grew up in a household with a Narcissist and that's why I was skeeved out by what was coming out of his mouth. Saw too much of the abusive personality in him.
It helps when thinking about the "smug anti Trumpers" like me to realize that not only were we seeing this all happen, we were constantly told for years that were were idiot liberals who hated America and Trump was going to give us what we had coming, especially when he got reelected. Yeah, sorry I can't just forget about that.
I have to disagree. Anyone who is willing to get out of Trump world because they've realized that they were lied to will be welcomed by me. I've been wrong before on other issues and recieved grace from others when I came to know the truth. I want the Republican Party to come back to the party of John McCain whom I respected for his honor and fairness even though not agreeing with his political position. (As a side note: He corrected one of his voters when she said Obama was a Muslim not born in the USA. He could have exploited that but did not.) I celebrate Beau's letter-writer and retain no hard feelings at all.
@@donnahopper9799 Okay, excellent point, and you are probably a better person that me. I agree that you are right that anybody who wants to climb out of that silo should be helped. In the OP's defense: he said he can't just forget, not "can't forgive". I think I feel the same: it's not just that there were so many insults, so much use of that stupid term "sheeple" by people who clearly didn't bother looking stuff up ... and it feels like this letter writer either conveniently ignores that, or sees no 'smugness' in that. It's also that the letter-writer doesn't show an ounce of awareness of what he might have caused to others, or of transgressions to others he supported for years.
@@donnahopper9799 That's bullshit, sure they were lied and mislead about many many lots of things, but they saw fascist ideas and fascist policies, they saw racism, they saw misogyny and they liked it, they felt identified, they were not lied about what they liked. No sympathy for fascists, as the saying goes, Nazis get the rope.
A valiant effort, my friend. I have to say I am personally exhausted by the amount of hand holding and walking on eggshells we've had to do with marginal Trump supporters, because they seem to never understand how a so-called "smug" attitude can easily evolve out of being dismissed, mocked and gaslit relentlessly for simply stating facts about the man and movement they put so much blind faith in. There is an arrogance underpinning a lot of Trumpism that essentially tells them to place their gut feelings, biases and desire for simple answers over the truth. I think some of them are/were truly just duped in a way that is if not relatable then to some degree understandable. Sadly, I don't think that is the majority of them. Hope I'm wrong, because the alternative is pretty fucking dark.
The thing that infuriates me about talking with Trump supporters is, while I'll concede the shortcomings of Democrat leaders, they won't admit Trump's faults, or if they do, they'll be very dismissive about them. It goes beyond just liking Trump's policies, they actually like the man, and to me that's like liking Hitler.
Eh... maybe go with a less-ultra-evil dictatorial autocrat. Maybe... Erdogan? Putin? (Although... he's running up the competition for Hitler right now so maybe not)
They admit his faults and actually praise his faults most of the time. Or they will say "well ya he did this..." but then try to spout something worse a Democrat did. It's crazy.
Hitler was too efficient w/MUCH bigger body count. Mussolini is a closer parallel. Francko. Pinochet. just another tin pot dictator... nobody is immune.
last year A man moved into the neighborhood a little ways down the street from us built a new house and surrounded his home with trump banners and flags by day 3 of the hearings he had taken them all down. he still has up some small anti Biden things. I can't confirm the hearings did it but its nice timing.
This is a great video. Thank you for dealing with this issue in a sympathetic manner. My son's are not 'dumb' either. They just fell into a silo of info that was self-corroborating. To everyone: Read court transcripts. Read testimony. Read lawsuits. Ignore snippets and find and watch the whole video. We are all vulnerable to looking for an echo chamber that repeats what we already believe.
I remember back in October of 2015 my parents and I were watching the last debate between Clinton and Trump. We all commented on the fact that we knew if somehow miraculously Trump got elected, which we knew could not possibly happen, that he would destroy the presidency. It was obvious just listening to him. The fact that so many people actually believed what he was saying and voted for him to run our democracy was beyond our comprehension. The contempt we felt and still feel for the lack of thought those people gave to their vote, is still at the surface. It's not being smug, it's about the contempt we feel for people who can't bring themselves to opening their eyes to the obvious truth.
The writer also needs to think about how many times republicans (and probably himself) has demeaned, degraded or insulted democrats. I,ve said that if I had a dollar for everytime I have been called a "libtard", etc, I could pay off my house. He also needs to remember that we have been trying to tell republicans all along. So, yeah, there's a bit of "I told you so" thrown in, as well.
Amen, I'm guessing there is a better than average change this guy or someone near him has uttered "F--- your feelings" or "facts don't care about your feelings", and now it's "why are they being mean to me?".
Insults go both ways though, it's not just the right and if you try to point that out to someone on the left that they are being offensive the response is "good the deserve it because they are clearly stupid and support harmful policies".
It's still important to welcome them back to reality to show them they still have somewhere they belong.if we just give them shit they will be more tempted to go back to where they felt welcome
This is one of those who was screaming "snowflakes!" wondering where the smugness comes from, the nerve! You handled this snowflake with care, that was nice.
For those of you who are old-school "Star Trekkers:" “But they found it's a trap, like a narcotic. Because when dreams become more important than reality, you give up travel, building, creating. You even forget how to repair the machines left behind by your ancestors. You just sit living and reliving other lives left behind in the thought records.” (Vina, from the original pilot "The Cage")
The thing is New Yorkers knew. And warned. And begged. But most of the country doesn't even consider New Yorkers part of America, so what they have to say goes unnoticed. Smugness is of course never helpful and very, very rarely effective. There were accounts dedicated to persuasion and not mockery on both sides. But the smug went both ways too. Humans are human, even when we cling to our bubbles and refuse to recognize humanity in each other.
I truly appreciate the courage and honesty of the person who wrote the question. Thank you, Beau for your compassion and integrity in considering the perspectives of the people who were/are influenced by Trump and his associates. I have beloved family members who still believe Trump’s lies… it’s been difficult to manage how I respond to the comments of these loved ones.
All of those Liberals that he couldn't stand to listen to probably told him thousands of times that Fox News rots his brain. If I knew him personally, I would definitely make a point of rubbing it in for a little while.
I want to also throw out there that part of the smugness also comes as a response to the toxicity of the Trump era. Trump himself was a openly hostile figure in public discourse, smugness is a natural response to watching the people who embraced that toxicity full throatedly get taken down a peg. Not saying it's necessarily helpful or constructive, just adding a further explanation for where it comes from.
That's what I got too, a Trumper calling others 'smug' is a true case of pot meet kettle. Remember in 2016 when we were all mad that Trump only won off the electoral college, and all the Trumpers were telling us 'he won, get over it'? I think the guy just got so used to smugness while inside the information silo that he sees it everywhere he goes now.
I was a racist for not voting for Obama, a misogynist because I would never vote for Clinton, and accused of being faschist (at the very least) for voting for the man who didn't spend his career learning how to doubletalk and be politically correct. But Trumps the toxic one. That's where it comes from.
Links: www.vox.com/2020/11/2/21545670/trump-may-declare-early-election-victory-legal-challenge
www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-presidential-election-night-voting-ballots-2010-11
www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/trump-tries-to-claim-victory-even-as-ballots-are-being-counted-in-several-states-nbc-has-not-made-a-call.html
thehill.com/homenews/campaign/523866-trump-plans-to-declare-victory-if-he-takes-election-night-lead-axios/
www.thedailybeast.com/trump-plans-declare-victory-if-it-looks-like-hes-ahead-tuesday-night-report
slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/watching-donald-trump-claim-premature-victory.html
www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/4/president-trump-claims-premature-victory-in-us-election
www.salon.com/2020/11/02/trump-may-plan-to-declare-victory-on-tuesday--and-hold-rallies-after-election-day/
wait hold up how is this 8 hours old
@@bluestone9857 he uploaded earlier and kept it unlisted until now. So he doesn't publish 3 vids in 10 min time and has to be out on the computer all day 😉
I hope the guy who asked the question reads these. Not for what they say (he can figure that out without looking at them, now) but to back up what you just said. It was public knowledge outside of his information silo.
Maybe he'll also understand your most important point. The silo was constructed by those who make a lot of money from it. Those who make money by fuelling outrage with lies.
You and Bill Maher both made accurate predictions about trump. He even talked about how unhinged Maher was, then he did what Bill said he would do.
I would hope the guy has the sense to recommend you to his circle too. Dropping flashlights down silos is still a tricky business. I wish him or her luck.
When he started saying Obama was not an American and that he "founded ISIS" that's all I needed to see what he was all about. I never saw a sign of greatness in Trump. He's as ridiculous as he looks.
there were many warning signs. But they were just too weak to resist the con that came.
Oh, I saw signs of greatness in the man! He's the greatest A-hole I've ever seen! (And I've had a couple of champions in my own Country's governments) 🤣
@@enricogattone432 as Sam Harris pointed out (before I eventually stopped listening to him, because he was just too far to the right for me), Drumpf might be the greatest con-man in history, given that he managed to con his way into the Oval Office.
The minute the "bus comment" report came out with his bragging about grabbing women by their pu$$ies told me everything I needed to know about him. He has no idea what boundaries are which means he is going to do anything he wants to, when he wants to. How any female (or anyone) could ever vote for him is beyond me after he said that. I put myself into therapy after he got voted into office. I found I would go to bed at night and worry that in the morning that he was going to have us in a war or something. He is just a disgusting human being.
Trump is a con man and has always been a con man. He doesn't pay his debts, declares bankruptcy, and cheats on his taxes. That's how rich people stay rich and get richer. People thought he was such a hero for not taking a paycheck, but was stealing millions of dollars. People are dumb for falling for his bull$hit.
Well, that smugness goes both ways also. Here in Texas, I have friends and relatives calling me an idiot for not thinking Trump is the orange god simply because I see right through his fifth grade mentality and petty games.
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Same, lost a few along the way but I consider that a good thing now.
Its crazy do people have a hard time reading people, god damn.
Yes, the MAGA cultists never did fit very well into the "gracious winner" category, did they? Their endless whining about "smug" "elitists" rates nothing but scorn. Especially since very very few of them are *ever* going to have an epiphany like the (self-pitying, self-justifying) guy who wrote the letter.
@@lip124 most can do a passable job at the least.
The only persons who have trouble reading people to *that* degree are Autists. *We* must use rules of thumb, past experience usually of a most-painful nature, intense observation, and good records to do what Neurotypicals can do unconsciously upon the instant.
In my case, Drumpf scared the out of me almost the minute I saw/heard about him.
Discerning “Why” took me nearly a year and a half to discern why - namely, I have lived with people like that in the past (most of a decade in the case of the one who resembled him the most, and I’m getting the shakes bad as I write this. PTSD is no joke.) Once I made the connection, though - it was scary to be able to predict so much of his behavior.
Only *Holocaust Survivors* do better, and my upbringing was compared by two people to being *in* such a camp. I have many of the same health problems, as well.
My problem with people saying they didn't know he was lying is that it means they weren't listening to him at all. He constantly contradicted himself, often in a single sentence.
His very poor command of the English language - both spoken and written - was another red warning flag.
Yep!.
That’s true, but if you’re only getting your information from one source…. chances are, you never heard the contradictions.
And the blind willingness to hang on his every word and believe everything he said, even when it was completely ridiculous.
@@PCtransplant He still does. His "tribute" to Ivana was once again 5th grade (and disingenuous) hyperbole, with a "donate" button at the bottom. Who would follow this shell of a man?
How did everybody know??? I'm in my fifties and I've known since the 80's not to trust Trump.....
"If we nominate Trump, we will be destroyed... and we will deserve it."- Lindsey Graham, one day before Trump was named the 2016 nominee. They knew all along. They just lied to you about it.
Republicans have a habit of tearing each other apart in the primaries then rallying together and backing their man in the general and continue protecting afterward if they win.
That became a lie toward themselves in the end... The Dollars being donated made it easy to forget...
By "we" he meant the RINO's and many of them have been removed from office.
It's all about self preservation in politics.
Lindsey Graham is not a typical low information voter. He is a career politician who recognized the danger, but put his party ahead of his country. He recognized that the party had a lemon, but helped make (toxic) lemonade from it.
To the person who wrote the letter: A good portion of it isn't smugness. A good portion of it is also anger. Anger at the lives that Trump cost people. Few things will make people see red like their loved ones dead because some asshole wanted to rule the world.
Yeah...there should be a lot of folks with Covid-dead family members and friends angry at him for just that but it seems the MAGA movement meant more to many of them than their own.
Tell that to the North Korean hostages that Trump brought home.
@@skizeranosk True. Trump freed three and paid North Korea $2M for the publicity. Trump's efforts at diplomacy are so incredible (not). He offended everyone else. But his publicity seeking acts are on a par with Kardashian's butt. Puleeezzz...even a broken clock is right twice a day and that far exceeds Trump's record on anything.
Yes! I'm angry at their selfishness, their arrogance, their hypocrisy, their culture wars, their embrace of conspiracy theories despite evidence, their dismissing and excusing of every vile thing he did and most of all I'm angry at their "you're either for us or against us" mentality. I'm not smug or happy about being right, I'm angry at what we've had to live through for the last 7 years. I'm also scared of what's to come because their embrace of authoritarian leaders.
I lost my cousin to Covid, he believed it was a hoax and refused a mask and the vaccines. I still can't believe he's gone...so sad😢
God, I hear this all too often….”I would do the right thing, but you’re being too smug about being right so I’ll just go on being ignorant and hateful”. It’s not smugness…..it’s exasperation. People who stayed connected to reality saw Trump as a Con Artist from day one and we’ve been pulling our hair out and screaming into the ether trying to wake his cult members up for years. YEARS.
Right??? They whine about us being “smug” while they’ve been rude and hateful since 2015. The applauded “Make Liberals Cry Again.” There is NO comparable rhetoric by liberal politicians. It’s like they want to pretend they didn’t earn the response they’re getting now over YEARS.
Typical leftist, so arrogant as to think their snide insults and attacks wasn't smugness, just 'exasperation'.
Yeah, screaming from the other side of the big pond here (mainly to family members in the USA) 😢.
Now I'm watching anxiously, whether your citizen woke up enough to pull a hard left .... especially as the USA is still a role model in a lot of countries around the world and their citizens 🤷♀️
Take care - Europe ⚘
Also need to point out: “people are too smug”, yet in the same email “you are the only “liberal” I can bear listening to”, and “at least I’d know the emails you read aren’t fake”.
I suggest that what the author is hearing isn’t smugness. The smugness comes from their ego rejecting the information by blaming the informant.
@@HuberHans Watch out “woke” is a bad word to the far right whose so far right they’re wrong!
This is one of your best videos. I think it was hard, courageous for this person to come forward. But the truth has to come out. I think your advice and comments are right on many levels.
I think a big factor in "liberal" smugness towards conservatives fresh out of their silo is the attitude said conservatives had before that. If you've been calling these people libtard socialist sheeple for the past several years, I think it's only fair to expect some smugness when you finally stop.
Yup
Amen!!!!
Yes indeed.
Plus, as I've said in other comments. I don't feel smug...I feel pissed off!
Exactly
In my case that isn't smugness they're seeing. It's contempt. When someone tells me they are a "Conservative" they're telling me they approve of the racism, the bullying, taking, or withholding people's rights from them, giving to the rich, and taking from the poor, and I find all of those things contemptible. Just because they're rational enough to FINALLY admit Trump tried to overthrow the government, that doesn't mean they aren't still a "Conservative"
You never know, though. You yourself may be the changing factor that moves them from "pissed conservative" to "liberal" or even "leftist".
But only if you can connect with them, and showing contempt doesn't help (not saying don't feel contempt, just don't show it...😄)
@@enricogattone432 Is an eye roll okay? It’s an unconscious response, I’m practically nonverbal.
@@sunshine3914 as long as you can hide it, everything is fair in the game 😅
Exactly. Support of Trump means I could no longer look at you as a good person. NEVER AGAIN. It's your coming out party.
Nailed it
The fact that Beau seems "liberal" to people proves just how far right the Republican party has moved. As someone who was in the Young Republicans Club in high school, yet has been a "Democrat by default" for the last 20 years, I can assure you, the modern Democratic party is center-right at best, with a small handful of liberal voices.
The U.S. Democratic party would be the conservative party in most developed nations
"center-right-pro-corporate" + "disorganized as a herd of cats"
It's very frustrating how self destructive liberals are. How often they seize defeat from the jaws of victory.
Can easily attest to that from my Italian point of view...
This has always been my argument, even US progressives are socialist lite
The people calling Beau a liberal just weren't taught the difference between a liberal and leftist. It's very common vernacular in US politics because the right purposely tries to miscontrue the terms so they can kick down on a larger population.
Beau of the Fifth Column you are pretty amazing. You educate in a very mellow way and give the real facts. Please keep up the good work.
Yes, many of us knew. We’re not smug. We’ve been exasperated not just since J6 but for years. None of you would even listen to us in 2015 or the lead up to the 2020 election. Trump made it clear what he was going to do. We on the left care about people on the right (when we work for workers, we work for you, when we campaign for the environment, we work for you), and for decades people on the right has been fed fear and hate about us and so our voices were useless. All we got was attacked for trying to give you a head’s up.
Well said
People around me told me not to worry in 2015. They said he wouldn't be able to do anything. How'd that logic hold up?
Wish I can go back in time to Secularize and Industrialize the Bronze Age
Yeah, huh.
Look, a lot of people simply didn't want another Bush or Clinton. Both parties failed to offer up a real choice, so the country chose wild card.
And wild card is what they got.
Both parties need to do a better job offering up new ideas, younger people, etc.
Not everyone who voted for Trump in 2015 believed him or even cared. They just wanted change from the same back and forth they'd been fed since literally 1992.
I’m going to try to quote Beau: “The people who followed #45 weren’t necessarily racist but his racism was not a breaking point for them.”
Exactly THIS. THEIR RACISM kept them in that information silo. So Fvck them. They helped ruin this country by shoveling shit AND still have the nerve to hold the shovel behind their backs (the same personal belief system) while they say the didn’t realize DJ and slimy cohorts where untrustworthy.
AMEN SUZANNE THEY WERE AND STILL ARE OK WITH IT!
What racism? That we should have a secure border? Or that everyone who opposes Democrats is automatically racist for some reason?
Racism, sexism, crimes, theft, bankruptcies, etc, etc, etc. It was all out there he's been the same guy since the 80s. They just lazily voted for their "team" didn't care who he was. Now the country is ruined & they want a pass...still isn't their fault...they are still the victims & democrats are shrill & mean to them. 🙄 45 definitely attracted people emotionally trapped at age 12 & 13.
And that's the fucking problem.
They could have seen that and backed away. But they didn't. They thought that THEY would never become his victim, and they were totally ok with OTHERS becoming his victim.
That fact that others could be a target of somebody should tell you that you also aren't safe from that somebody. If you don't see that, then that's on you.
I must admit to being a little smug about all this. I was literally banging on the dinner table making a scene in public telling friends how damn dangerous it was to have this lunatic at the helm, in ‘15. Then, I told them after he lost the election; hold on, he’s not leaving. He’s going to pull some bullsh**, and try to stay in office - because that’s what a dictator does. I really wish I had been wrong.
Don’t worry you’re just like everyone else on the left.
I concur,I seriously thought he would delay the elections and declare martial law...
Me to. I thought they would literally have to drag him out.
Smug still just doesn’t feel like the right word. I’m full of rage. I’m exasperated. Smug says we’re proud that we knew all this time. I’m not proud of being able to see through his bullshit. I had to go through some shitty shit in life to know what a narcissist looks like. I am beyond angry that people were so dismissive of his destructive personality thinking it was just cool and edgy to be about a Cheeto colored human being. I am not enjoying this feeling of “I told you so.” I hate being right about shit like this. I would have loved to have been proven wrong. 😞
Make no apologies! The world need leaders and not just at the top
His opening statement says it all. "You're the only liberal I can stand" Because of the extremely effective propaganda machines, the RW has been conditioned to hate liberals. Noone wants to think that they can be easily influenced but people are way more influenced than they'd ever want to admit. Ask yourself: Does advertisement work on me? Do political ad work on me? The answer is YES, you can rationalize your way around it all you want, they are very effective on you.
Anybody who is easily swayed by advertising - especially political ads - is stupid, in IQ as well as EQ. And you also have to be either stupid or incredibly ignorant to be at risk of getting trapped in an information silo. It is free and easy to find out how "the other side" is thinking and reporting about an issue. I watch Fox and MSNBC, read Breitbart and Mother Jones, as well as seek out foreign perspectives such as Al Jazeera and RT. So...how did I avoid the information silos and echo chambers? Nobody pulled me out of one....I'm just not stupid enough to fall down one in the first place. Intelligence is the difference..
The “how did you know” hits a chord with me. How did I know he was a liar in his 2016 campaign?
Because he’s been a lying con for the 2 decades prior that I had witnessed, on top of the 1-2 decades prior to that when I wasn’t paying attention.
To me, it’s a case of people choosing to believe what they want to hear instead of acknowledging demonstrable reality.
Exactly. I'm not real old, or smart. There are hundreds of articles on trump before 2015. Not many are positive, or put trump in a nice light. He's been known to walk out of interviews for excessively petty things, since before I was born. He's been known to berate people for innocuous actions, and choices. He's always been like this. I don't know how others don't see it beyond choosing to believe what they want to believe.
Because, as Beau said, he's NOT dumb. He fell for it because he WANTED to believe that hate-fuelled crap.
This guy doesn't like the left's smugness? Well, fuck him. He's a big boy, now he must face the consequences of his speech and actions.
People are going to believe what they want
I don’t know how anyone didn’t know. The whole thing stunk from the very beginning. Literally everything was fishy business or telegraphed beforehand. If you didn’t know it’s because you chose to bury your head in the sand and ignore reality. If you didn’t know then, but you do know now please wipe the sand out of your ears and pay attention this time. Our literal existence depends on it.
Fascist leaders always come to power not because people believe in what they say, but because they have the ability to tell the people exactly what they want to believe in, thus in time becoming able to manipulate them in believing whatever else they want
Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you’re told. Trumpism is doing what you’re told, no matter what is right.
Nope ! He tells his cult they're special, he's fighting for them , remember trumps words ? We have the best homes?
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spot on!
Yup, that was my thought as well during the video. He felt for it because deep down it touched a chord inside him. He enjoyed the hateful rhetoric. I once heard somewhere that seduction isn't manipulating people into doing something they don't want to; it's convincing them to do something they _already_ want to do.
He doesn't like the smugness? Well, imagine how the minorities Trump's term hurt are feeling right now.
Never underestimate the left's capability for projection. It truley is amazing.
I'm not smug. I am upset and angry that people I thought trusted me decided that I was "just a liberal" and didn't know what I was talking about.
Laura, preach it!! Me too. I can’t count the individuals who looked past their respect and relationship with me.
Based on the never ending fake news stories being peddled by the media and leftist losers who still repeat those fake news stories even today, yeah... you probably didn't know what you were talking about.
And the WHOLE TIME they had no self-awareness to realize they were projecting all of their shortcomings and ability to be fooled and conned onto us. I tried patience. I tried facts. Then I just turned as ugly to them as they were to us. I would like to hope I might have changed one mind, but they wanted to stay in their euphoria of mushroom existence. Or maybe they just wanted to do a long term ostrich impression. I have animosity due to what has happened to our country. The damage, hate and division that has been caused by the very loud, obnoxious, irrational, lack of facts, bigoted hate monger, name calling, cult members is going to take decades to repair.
The only things keeping me afloat are my belief in Garland, Fani Willis and ALL of the ammunition they and the SCOTUS have armed us with going into the mid-terms. Because those recent decisions have been enough to make people vote blue, I think.
@@randibgood Jussie Smollett, Bubba Wallace, border patrol agents whipping migrants, Kyle Rittenhouse carrying a rifle across state lines, BLM mostly peaceful protests, and COVID vaccines will prevent transmission and infection of COVID. Lies lies lies. The ten year old girls' story is built on omissions and obfuscation. Beau is more than happy to influence your thinking on any possible divisive topic. Justin King is a self proclaimed anarchist. He lives in England. He hates you. He wants to see America fail.
Trump's dishonesty has always been excruciatingly OBVIOUS. His supporters are willfully ignorant, pitifully stupid, and delusional. It's hard to imagine what it must be like, to live or work with these people. Condolences to their families, coworkers, and communities.
It really bothers me that anyone who is not a religious authoritarian is considered a “liberal”…
Kinda boring at this point. And a crisis of imagination (my new favorite term as it seems to explain a whole lot of what is going on in the US and the world right now... sad).
Yeah demonstrates how extreme the mainstream right has gotten
Classic division politics. If they don't agree with you completely, they're a 'liberal.' But all liberals are only socialists who haven't got the balls to admit it. And all socialists are communists who know better than to use that dirty word around here. And all communists are nazis, and all nazis are possessed by demons, and you can't believe anything a demon would say, right? Muddy the waters, confuse the terms, shift the goalposts, just a little bit, and soon you've got a voter base who think their only chance for salvation is their own ingrained biases.
Fun fact: The "radical left" in the United States is actually center-right.
The scales have tilted so far to the right by the republicans, but also at fault are moderate Dems stuck in a past where they could make deals with a Republican Party not yet sunk into the more of fascism. I don't like the word fascist, and rebuked many friends who threw the word around whenever they disagreed with others less Len then they. But todays Republican Party has all the hallmarks of a fascist party, and they keep sinking furthe and further. The question is, will they drag the rest of us down?
How did we know he was a criminal before now?? We used our eyes and ears to see what was literally RIGHT OUT IN THE OPEN FOR ALL TO SEE!!
CLEARLY NOT ALL "EYES TO SEE" SEE THE SAME THING! jesus, that man didn't get voted into office bc he didn't have help!! the GOP is at the center of it and they are about to do it again.!!! just like the Dems are gonna put up slow joe!
Yeah, but just about all were getting their information exclusively from Faux News.
You can’t spell ‘hatred’ without ‘red hat’.
I think I'm going to steal this! 😅💪💪
wow that kind of simple truth in the word itself,.....it reminds me of CONgress being the opposite of PROgress.
Absolutely everybody knew.
How could ANYONE NOT KNOW!!???
Willful ignorance or apathy.
They didn't care to know.
We have all been so tired of being treated like we were hysterical when we were pointing real fears at the time and then get gaslit when those same bad things happen. Its exhausting...
Yeah, if Trumpers don't like getting hit with the clue stick now, too damn bad.
Yep 😕
"Trump was going to start ww3" Yeah I remember that one. Not hysterical at all.
You mean like people who said that Roe v Wade could be overturned?
@@skizeranosk The US has been at peace for something like 20 years in its 245 year history. A world war requires there to be an opponent that could rival the US and its allies. Trump spent his term alienating his allies (trade wars) and bolstering the position of adversarial countries (kids in cages is a bad look if you want to criticise other human rights abuses) you could see how it might already be in motion.
I hope not. We're not big fans of war where I'm from. But even the most hysterical thing you can think of, Trump worked towards. You might have even cheered him along. I'm not smug about it. At this stage I'm almost apathetic about it. The US has always* been at war. Not my problem. Climate change is going to fuck us regardless and my government isn't exactly being urgent about it either even when the Green Party (an austerity version) is in power with them.
So not smug. Not hysterical either, just sad.
To the person who wrote Beau the letter: Do the best you can until you know better. Then when you know better do better - Maya Angelou
And part of doing better is continuing to educate yourself so that you continue to know better about other issues as well, which I hope this person does
Thank you for your compassion. That’s what we all need to give others. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you.
"the only liberal I can stand to listen to for any length of time"
First thought: And he calls us smug? [roll eyes]
Second thought: That's your problem right there. YOU. DIDN'T. LISTEN. TO. US! If you had spent any time listening to the liberals you would have known too.
Yet, the author was able to identify with the smuggest sob who ever lived.
Methinks they have smug mixed up with angry.
@@sunshine3914 They're sad because we "talk down to them" - meanwhile they've been SHOUTING us down for years.
It's the "stand to" that gets me. I hear it over and over, read it again and again, and it really feels like having to consider an alternate point of view causes them physical pain.
@@theprojectproject01 I can get it somewhat. Trying to listen to Tucker Carlson causes me physical pain, though calling him "an alternative point of view" is giving him too much credit. A lot of the people right wingers say they can't "stand to listen to" are nowhere near as inflammatory or overtly liars as Tucky Tumtums though, with most liberals being rather milquetoast and conservative.
The smugness comes from him being in the spotlight since 1980… where he’s shown his character to be less than trustworthy & has repeatedly shown nothing but disdain for people who have nothing to offer him.
BOOM! ❤️
Bingo!
I probably was first introduced to Trump by watching life styles of the rich and famous. I could read his smugness and his bad character back then.
Even in the '80s, the "greed is good" decade, Donald Trump was known as a conman and an example of everything unsavory about wealth and business. And Trump's base skews older; they remember this just as well as I do. Everything they needed to know about Donald Trump, they knew for *decades* before 2015. They just chose to forget; partly because they thought reality TV is real, but mostly because he appealed to their own unsavory qualities.
@@andyjulia Me too. From that episode and before that, an interview for a magazine I read, I was able to tell that he had an oversized ego and likes to show off his wealth. And lots of other things starting in the mid-1980s.
My mother believed Trump - believed when he told her the election was stolen, believed when he told her covid was only a cold. She died for her beliefs... of covid. I couldn't get through the noise. To any out there who still believe, please come back. Please, don't be as my mother - lost forever. Your country needs you. Liberal, conservative - doesn't matter. Those are secondary. If we don't retain our democracy, neither of those labels will apply.
Every politician and major publication said Covid would be no worse than the flu. It was the most biparitisan agreement I've ever seen. Pelosi saying 'Come to Chinatown!' De Blasio _instructing_ New Yorkers to take no virus precautions until *mid-March.* So don't make Trump your assigned boogeyman for something that _no one else knew better about._ This is what angers me so much about the laser-focus on hating Trump: there are so many other people out there who got away with their evil and incompetence, because they focused us on Trump while their own crimes went down the memory hole.
I am sorry for your loss. I hope you know there was nothing you could do to convince her. The right-wing propaganda mongers have had people's minds in a vise grip for so long that it's impossible to free them unless they want to be freed.
I'm very sorry for your loss and I'm inspired seeing you made the enlightened choice to remain positive and seek healing instead of hatred
I'm sure a lot of us have lost contact with people in our lives because of Trumpism. I can't imagine how hard it would be to physically lose a loved one to his propaganda and lies.
Sorry for your loss. As another diehard liberal, please do not vote for another Trump supporter. U.S. democracy can’t take craziness again.
The empathy you demonstrate here is severely needed by our society.
I KNEW. I knew from the very beginning. Not 2015-16. I knew from the 1970s and 80s.
Then or 2015 or 2020, he was never good or smart or honest.
Yes, we can all get conned under the right circumstances. But the Trump circumstances should never ever been acceptable.
Absolutely I'm from the east coast no one around here falls for trumps bs. Some but most s
Dont we know what he was like in new York.
The person who sent the message knew too. He's conveniently claiming no responsibility now that he's been forced to face the music. An utter coward.
I blame that reality TV show.
Biden has lower poll numbers than Trump had. We have been conned by the democrats; funny that Trump is still the public scapegoat. 😁😁😁
Even the democrats don't want Biden, or Harris in 2024.
Beau is playing you for channel views.
100%....he's always been obvious.
I think it's not smugness, it's judgement. It's hard not to judge those who stood by someone who banned all people from one of the main world religions; who used hate speech about women, handicapped, and others; who downplayed a disease that ended up killing many more people it needed to in the US; who tried to blackmail the president of a struggling democracy to investigate his rival's son; who brought white supremacy back into style... and I could go on and on.
Wow. You just repeated a long list of absolute lies.
- Trump never banned a religion. There was no muslim ban. The supreme court affirmed this.
- What hate speech? His comment about how rich guys can grab their p***y and get away with it? What about his comment was inaccurate? He never said he did it. He said "could".
- He never made fun of a handicapped reporter. Absolute lies. The truth hurts. th-cam.com/video/Fq3LDjCSUIo/w-d-xo.html
- Trump a white supremacist? you know he's dated black women right? And was given a lifetime achievement award by the NAACP? And under his administration minorities did better than any time in US history.
Just remember the power of wishful thinking and denial. I’ll be an example. I know Biden has a lot of serious problems. I voted for him in spite of those because I believe Trump and his policies are objectively worse. Trump supporters gave him the benefit of the doubt, too, dismissing his racism and racist baiting as being misinterpreted or out of context and pointing out ways Obama and Biden are bad, too.
I know you could go on, but pls don't, I'm feeling queasy already ...
I calculated 884.9 K avoidable Covid19 deaths, using the death rate in Australia, which going by size and a mix of very urban and very, very rural areas, seemed like a reasonable bench mark.
And of course, it's not just the deaths. It's the relatives left behind, it's long Covid19 which can make it harder for people to do their work and keep their job, ... and goodness knows how much damage the general anti-science stance Trump spread has done and will do in the future.
Amen, JJ, AMEN!!!
I don't think it's smugness as much as anger and frustration. Just look at what the Supreme Court has done...this woman is fed up! I've tried to have reasonable, courteous conversations with Trump supporters, always met with smugness from them, even called names just because I disagreed with them. Kudos to you!
And such hate for democrats ☹️
From my experience, there's rarely any learning from these situations either. Sure, they've recognize they were duped now, but how long until they're sucked back into the next thing (the next thing that harms people btw)?
Just look how "reasonable" conservatives still fall for the repeating culture war cycles, or how they recognized their homophobia was wrong, but now they've gone full throttle into transphobia
I guess sometimes, you just can't free a fish from water
@@LBCAndrew Do you get paid to troll, or is it just something you receive pleasure from? Because the vast majority of people that watch this channel are not of your mindset and the side of these topics Beau is on, is not your side. So, you just like to get your short, skinny stick out to stir shit up, because you have no friends and no life?
I'm thinking it's the latter and not the former.
Same girl same
@@LBCAndrew so it essentially gives states the right to take away a woman's bodily autonomy and the right to direct her own life. Let's not forget this decision can also affect girls as young as 9 or 10.
"Is there something I am missing?" Yes, yes, and I don't know how to say this without it coming off as "smug" but it is not intended to be, but the truth is that you had the same access to valid, reliable, non-partisan information but you chose not to seek it out or to listen to it. It wasn't hidden, it was available to you, but you elected to turn a blind eye, and that is on you. What is important though is that instead of trying to seek validation that you weren't "just stupid" you own this mistake and you do some reflection on how it happened, how did you believe so many many lies, and why and instead of still making the "smug liberals" the bad guys you ask your party, why did you push lies over and over and over? That is the side that deserves your anger.
This is why every one of us should make a point of reading sources across the political spectrum.
Its not just that they don't seek out information, its that they choose to believe obvious, unsophisticated lies that very plainly only serve their long existing biases and have no remote connection to reality.
Apparently its easier, and preferable, to hate than learn?
#americanexceptionalism #americaneducationalproduct
@@susanbrewer9303 Unpopular, but absolutely correct. My mate (not American) is fairly liberal, but still pays a subscription to The Telegraph, which is a right wing UK newspaper, just so he can see the slant that they put on various stories and incidents that he would only otherwise read about in the guardian. I mean, he’s paying the subscription while holding his nose, but it certainly gives a broader perspective.
amen!
absolutely
If some have been smug, it's because for 6 yrs we've been watching the country fall apart. Many of us have been ridiculed and abused for years now. Some have been killed and others are afraid for their lives. It takes guts to admit a mistake. I hope you hang out here for awhile and keep learning. There's alot of good people here.
It is funny how trumpers have their feelings hurt by smug liberals. Total snowflakes.
The amount of nasty trolling that was being done by Trump supporters against anybody that fact checked their core beliefs on social media might account for a lot of the "smugness".
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Payback tis a bitch.
Exactly. I'm so tired of conservatives acting like they can't remember how they behaved between Nov 2016 and Jan 6.
Didn’t they spend 4 years wearing hats and shirts that said “f your feelings”….now they are crying about smugness lol
Not to mention the obligatory death threats
Another point for the person writing this message is to ask yourself "If I allowed myself to fall into the information silo about Trump, what else have I allowed myself to be manipulated into believing?".
When you say "You're the only liberal I can stand to listen too" it shows that you're being closed minded and probably believe a lot of untruths about liberals, and other things, and label anyone you don't agree with a "liberal".
Party politics is poison to our Democracy.
To quote The Who and the great Pete, he "wont get fooled again (🤞)". (I live 2 rawk 2)
The writer was basically admitting that he couldn't stand to hear the truth from the other people. He needed to hear it from the right. Remember the tape was the hard hitting evidence he needed. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger were RINO so their voices were like liberal voices. I agree with the original post...identity politics is destroying this country. Prime examples: Trump campaign on infrastructure and Republicans loved it but when democrats brought to the floor every republican voted against it. That's not how you run a government.
@@IMeMineWho I probably should change my username. It's a long story but I used to be in a band. I played guitar and sang lead vocals. I started this account because I was going to use it to upload videos of my band playing, but, life happens, and the band didn't.....😂🤣😂🤣
@@Iseerightthruyou I sing in tribute bands..last one was a Who trib. Most bands I think have a shelf life. Im starting a Brit Invasion and glam rock satire one. Our drummer has been in and out of the hospital and looking for a 2nd guitar now. So I hear ya! What bands are you into? !🎶🐦😄
@@IMeMineWho I like all kinds of music. I will even listen to country if I am drunk and my dog died....🤣🤣.
I really like the older stuff like The Who, Journey, Beatles, etc. The obvious ones of course, but when I played all of the time, I really enjoyed playing things like Metallica, Testament, Megadeth, etc
That is how my username came to be. We played a birthday party, for a guy that only listened to country music. So we obliged him (his party) and played country most of the night. One of the people came up and said " You guys are a good country band" and my drummer said "We play rock too so f*ck off" and my screen name for the band was born....🤣😂🤣😂
Lol. "Why is everyone acting like they knew this all along?" Because we knew it all along. We pointed it out all along. When you finally start believing something that's been said for years it kind of proves that someone knew it all along. If you have to imagine it was some sort of lucky guess to make yourself look less gullible that's the definition of being smug.
Well stated! I will undoubtably use your definition of smugness, thanks.
Well, when one refuses to see the writing on the wall, it's hard to muster up some sympathy for those who show none to others.
That's it!
Do we have to handle these people with kid gloves? Any accountability at all would be so lovely.
To the individual who wrote in, if you see this: Bare in mind that even the perception of our side being smug (while many times accurate) is amplified in the silo to make sure that even if you think independently, you’ll stay out of fear that no one outside of the silo will accept you and treat you with dignity. We may not agree on a lot of things, maybe even vociferously disagree, but if you’re on the path of deradicalization, many of us will still welcome you
100%.
amen!
Thank you for writing this. When I read your post, it felt like a small piece that was missing finally **clicked** in my understanding of why conservatives are so resistant to discussing things calmly with us.
Reading this felt like a punch in the gut. It clarified a few things that I was bewildered by.
Family and friends, especially. The election and Trumps rhetoric have nit only divided the country but families as well.
People who can't find safety and support from us (center) are very likely to accept the false safety of lying thugs (alt right). We have to continue to open their eyes and ears in order to follow the safe path.
OK my answer to "how did you know?"
I've never lived in the New York area. Most of my life is in California, and all I knew about Donald was that he was a guy who did some flashy stuff in his little corner of the East coast, then became a bit of a meme as a reality show host. So, leaving out the stuff New Yorkers were familiar with...
1. He was a Democrat up until the point where he decided to run for President.
2. His opening move in that campaign was laced with bigoted language. "[The Mexicans] are bringing crime, they're bringing drugs..." Anyone who's spent any time studying this knew that those who cross the border do so out of desperation and there's practically no terrorists, and a tiny minority of those are associated with the cartels. Frankly the main reason he did surprisingly well among Latin Americans is because he insulted Mexicans on a regular basis.
3. His proposals to deal with complex issues were like a carnival barker selling Springfield a monorail: Boondoggles sold by a con man.
4. Once he was sworn in, the first thing he did was impose a travel ban on all Muslims except Saudis.
5. He marketed himself as this "genius billionaire" which financial tabloid rags like _Fortune_ accepted without due diligence, but you don't see his football league, his casinos, his university, his steaks, or his vodka anymore. He's a "genius" and yet he can't sell meat and booze to _Americans._
By the time the attempted extortion of Ukraine ("That phone call was PERFECT") rolled around, I knew he'd act like Mussolini or Hitler. He didn't respect the election when he _won,_ there was no way he'd accept defeat.
Or football.
The Trump Beatles never performed there? They performed everywhere and their songs were prescient!
There's a video on a different channel from a while back about how trump talked out on the campaign trail, and why it worked. It was the death of the euphemism, and people just didn't know how to react. He said the quiet stuff out loud, and wasn't afraid to do it.
th-cam.com/video/0dBJIkp7qIg/w-d-xo.html
He also literally said he wouldn't accept defeat. Though he also said if he lost we'd never hear from him again. A huckster through and through.
The reason we seem so smug is because of 4 years of "f!@# your feelings" and similar signs🤷🏼♂️
As to liberal snugness 1) how could you fine Americans not see what kind of person that NYC CONMAN WAS 2) how snug of whom was it to be "owning the libs" with his lies ? Want respect ? Give respect ?
For real. You can’t get any smugger than The Donald.
Its not smugness to point out ALL the red flags they ignored ...like the millions he had to pay back to the victims of his phoney university scam or the millions more he paid to settle when his so called chariety was revealed as an illegal tax fraud scheme...
As my grandmother used to tell people, hey you knew it was a snake before YOU decided to pick it up...its just honesty & accountability, not smugness
@@jefflockaby702 But, but, but, it was a snake sent by God to show my dominion over you evil sodalists. Read the Bible, Jesus was capitalist who wrote the US Consecution !!! die, sinner. So how dare you suggest we are snug ?
There were so many frightening things that were demonstrated by the whole Trump episode that I was seriously wondering if this was the way my country would be destroyed.
My God you are being so kind to this person. The real reason that they were taken in so easily was that they didn't WANT to see! "There are none so blind than those that REFUSE to see!".
Didn't want to see or maybe wanted/needed to believe so much that nothing else mattered.
I really do think the fact that Trump was saying that the election was going to be fraudulent unless he won months before a single vote had been cast was clue enough to know what he was going to do.
Yeah. I didn't want to believe it would lead to a full scale insurrection, but when I saw what was happening on Jan. 6 I was not the least bit surprised. Angry? You better believe it. But not surprised.
Or, he listened to all the Democratic senators who warned that our election infrastructure was full of holes in the years before 2020.
For anyone without lead posioning.
Agree wholeheartedly! "If I win, great; if I don't win it's because the other side cheated".
It was also clear for anyone whose grandparents were not too closely related.
Watching this channel and a certain episode about the 14 characteristics of a dictator was what got me wise and scared the hell out of me! I'm grateful for him and this channel for opening my eyes.
Beau you are uniquely qualified to deliver this exact message. Your compassion and understanding is showing. Your life experience and the people surrounding you in your extended community contributed to making this ability to deliver this message your super power. How can you deliver this message on a larger scale?
I'm a smug anti-Trumper who recognized his idiocy when the book "The Art of the Deal" was released. It was obvious to me then. My friends and I laughed at him. I just can't understand why everyone didn't see it too. And he was allowed to wreck the country.
Probably because most of his supporters never read the book and thought the edited reality TV show was the real him. But anyone voting for this gold toilet guy after grabbing them by the...... Before he was elected especially by the Christian community is astounding it Was red flags 101.
not everyone already knew about Trump except from The Apprentice and he pressed the right buttons
@@kadmii Correct in the sense that the *only* way to make sense of MAGAland is to understand that it's filled with people who know nothing, absolutely nothing, beyond what they stare at on TeeVee. But I guess I'm being smug.
I knew he was a liar and a con-man from day one too. It just baffled me that others couldn't see it. And even now people still love and trust Trump. I don't get it.
From the time I saw him in Home Alone I knew he was not a nice Human.
Beau , as much as I appreciate your words, trump did what only Reagan would allude too , trump got not just national religious leaders on his side , he got local church deacons mouthing his words , I sat through my mom's wake, my sister set it up , her preacher talked like a guest on fox News, even had a chalk board to connect his ideas of Baptist being God's chosen people. This Cancer grew from within, wrapped in a flag holding a Bible!
Your last line is perfect, poetic, well put
Went back to Nixon.. They were mad that a Catholic Dem was elected...this started the raving and they got behind Nixon....the beginning of the end. The last GQP leader who was not an actual puppet was Nixon. Ford had to tow the party line and pardon him...then Reagan, who was literally senile.
And just like a cancer cell, American fascism just evolved to exploit the weaknesses of American's immune system; it's lack of effective church-state separation and it's blind nationalism.
@@danutaboone9831 Just forgot the AR in the other hand.
Reagan repealing the fairness doctrine was a brutal blow to political discourse in this country.
That used to be me, but then I got therapy for ptsd from a very empathic and non-judgmental counselor who taught me to stop hating myself for things I couldn't control. A light bulb went off, and I came to the realization that everything I thought I knew about how people have complete control over their lives and poverty, and the whole pull yourself up by the bootstraps mantra of the Republican party was wrong. And then the GOP nominated Trump as their man and that was the last straw. I wish the kind of therapy I got was available to everyone who get caught up in hateful information silos.
Well, happy to have you back 😊
@@enricogattone432, thanks. 😊 Glad to be here.
Trouble is, Elena, one has to seek help. If they don't recognize anything's wrong, they have no reason to get help.
Glad you saw your way out and hope you're much better for the experience. Peace.
So sorry for your PTSD. And so very glad you got help. We could all use some therapy now and then. I think the world would be a better place
Glad you took another road. It's the high road.
What still amazes me is that schools don't teach what communism and socialism are? How can one come up with the idea of calling the US Democratic Party communist or socialist?
If this person is running into smug "liberals" I want them to think back when they were fully supporting Trump. MAGA just about 100% of the time means rude, arrogant, threatening bullies. Of course there are exceptions but for the most part Trump supporters were horrible people that wanted to run over anyone that didn't support him. I think Let's Go Brandon was the straw that broke the back of most people that wanted Trumpism to die. This person is on the right track it seems and I hope they are able to follow Beau's advice...
"Liberals have to be the adults, Conservatives are the children".
Inherent in the whole concept is that Conservatives have weak cognitive abilities but SHHHHHH... don't call them "stupid" or get angry... be kind and nurturing and gentle, as if you were talking to a petulant 4 year old.
For effs sake these are grown ups with guns and voting rights.
But yes, that's what liberals have to do. Be calm and reasonable with absolute moronic lunatics so they don't start World War III out of "spite". Fuck.
And now with J6 committee revealing the full extent of the fkwittery........people still support him
Meh. If this person was full on MAGA they were a fascist. Truth be told, they may well still be. I'd be very skeptical of any "recovery". Fascism is an idea pathogen. Critical thinking and reason are the cure.
Who were and still are threatening civil war supporting white supremacists religious fanatics overthrow democracy supporting Putin ruining the constitution supporting mass killings. You can only stand so much frustration
I would hope Jan 6th was the straw when the Trump lies had real painful and destructive consequences to us all.
I have trouble feeling any sympathy for these people because Trump said every racist and misogynist comment right out in the open. They repeated it on every single site and network that cheers for Trump. So, ok, you missed his lies, but you co-signed his bigotry. There's no denying that.
You're not dumb. You're racist/sexist. Work on that.
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It doesn't matter one bit how smart a person is if they're just rationalizing backwards from a preassumed conclusion. In fact, being smarter in that case just results in ever more elaborate methods of confirmation bias.
Those who used to say "Trump speaks my mind"
Preach!!
And even is what you say is true(it is) The problem this person has is that you pointed it out in way that makes him think that you think that he's and idiot. Which is just projection. They know they're dumb but can't stand liberal people knowing it too.
When Fact Checking makes you a liberal ... being called a "liberal" is a badge of honor,
I don't quite see how it could ever be an insult in a nation that loves to advertise itself as a bastion of liberty, if not the inventor of the concept.
Trump arrogance is so bad. Only I can do it babble. No man is an island.
Not all people in the other party have different policy. Im more independent and Progressive. No way will I vote for a GOP today. His is not the party of Eisenhower.
it always has been for me! Liberal Loud and PROUD!
Beau should put this on a t-shirt -- I'd buy it.
Thank you Beau for being the quiet voice for others to hear and ponder the facts.
Smug? No. Smug is not what I'm feeling here. Fed up and unsympathetic? Yeah, I'll own some of that. Anybody with even half a lick of awareness had Trump's measure early-mid 2016.
Yup. Politically I guess I had a right wing background, just like my father and his father before him. Country as all get out. I didn’t realise that Trump wasn’t a successful businessman and I thought it would be great to have somebody who wasn’t a politician. Within a couple of months of him being elected I realised it was all a con and he was actually a narcissistic self-centred self aggrandising grifter. It’s hard not to be smug when you see a pompous fool like Trump come a gutzer (Aussie for falling on your face). Solely because of Trump for the first time in my life in our last federal election I voted as far left wing as I could possibly get. The question is if I could see this all the way from Australia why the hell couldn’t people in America see it? I spent 10 years working in America in the 1980s, great country a lot of good people. How Trump could fool so many of those people for so long is the question I grapple with daily.
I had Trump's measure in the early '80s, but I'm old.
@@michaelorourke1758 Me too. However, it’s understandable for those who grew up with reality tv, & with NBC promoting him a successful billionaire businessman. A lot of Americans take things at face value.
Yeah, "smug" implies a degree of satisfaction, and "satisfied" is not a word I'd describe my mood with right now. Unsympathetic, though, absolutely.
I don't want to scare off conservatives trying to get out of the information silo: I'm glad they're doing it and I think it takes courage. But there are millions who nearly followed a con man into a coup, and I won't deny, that's a bit of a sore spot for me. That's something the ex-MAGA needs to acknowledge and come to terms with -- not just in the name of national healing, but in the name of not letting it happen again.
Try early 1980s
Trump and his enablers told you what you wanted to hear. It was easy to dismiss his lies and contradictions because he hated the same people you hate, and gave you permission to be out loud and proud about your hatred.
The people that you've spot on described there is his base and who elected him their president. They wanted a bad guy to do their evil shit and they found him. They're willing to burn the place down just to be king of the ashes. The fact that they haven't purged him and everything he represents from their party after 1-6 is all the proof anyone could need. I want to believe there's people out there like the author but it's so difficult.
WELL STATED!!! 👏👏👏👏👏
You nailed it!! He brought out the worst in many..
I have been puzzled by people my age and older who remember Trump from way before he was a reality star. He was a fucking punchline; a joke. They remember and dove head first into the silo anyway.
You're doing good work here, Beau. ❤️
Calling someone "smug" is the same as accusing them of "talking down" to people. To quote the great Will McAvoy, "Down is where some people are."
Thank you !
Is there one more smug than trump?
@@sunshine3914 Seriously. The comment tells me this person has learned nothing of value yet.
I tried to see what everyone around me saw in Trump. I thought I must be missing something. They were so sure, so smug about Trump, Russia, Putin, etc. It's been a nightmare.
Thanks, Beau, for being an anchor in reality.
I imagine that at least some of the smugness is from the irony of having been called sheep, blind, etc. Not saying that it is a good reaction, but it is much the same dark satisfaction you might get from someone calling you clumsy, only form them to immediately trip over their own feet.
Exactly!!! When I see someone who bullied me getting put in check, I get to be smug.
I think also we’re tired af from being bullied and now standing up for ourselves and that’s perceived as negative. Also, don’t come late to the party empty handed and expect not to be teased a bit.
I'm completely out of sympathy for that guy and everyone like him. They're just someone who got conned and can't admit it. If they hadn't been so eager to stick it to the libs maybe they would've been aware they were getting took.
All fair points...except you forgot to mention forgive and forget... Doesn't matter why the Guy got it wrong,it matters that he is no longer fooled...One more of us...One less of them...Be grateful and accept him...
@@kinlika WTF Liberal centrist bullshit is that? "forgive and forget"??? No, people might have been conned in certain aspects, but they knew what they liked about Trump, they weren't conned about the fascist, racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc. "policies", they knew and they liked them, they openly supported fascism and "Nazis get the rope". The people who keep chanting about personal responsibility and pulling themselves by their bootstraps have a lot of thinking and work to do. They are not one of us, us and them are not people who support Trump and people who don't it's people who are able to distinguish reality from fiction and those who aren't, they still don't know how they were conned, they don't see it and they will fall again. Sorry for the rantish reply but your take is utter bullshit, take care.
@@kinlika the whole conservative / regressive / reactionary spectrum was standing behind DJT in order to use him as vehicle to transport their ideology and their political goals. Do you really think that these people who now realize that DJT was a lying scumbag have changed all their policy positions that made them follow him in the first place ? All the egoistical, small-government-unless-it's-my-rights, big-government-unless-it's-my-rights, anti civcil right, anti social rights, anti workers rights, anti equality rights, racist, religious, libertarian biggots with their assault guns in their braindead, heartless hands ?
@@kinlika Maybe, but I can never forget he wanted to stick it to me and joined a fascist cult to do it.
@@mrsnarks4291 Well I can understand your opinion but the thing is,someone has to make the first move toward reconciling the Nations differences, rebuilding societies belief in the rule of law..An Olive branch... Make no mistake from a European perspective we see the damage Trump caused around the world and at home.. He is a thoroughly unsuitable person to be the leader of the free world.. All Politicians are capable of speaking from both sides of their mouths at the same time... Trump is poorly educated, not a good people person, he is a rude arrogant boorish Oaf.. Labelling honourable people with derisory names 'Pocahontas' ... 'Rocket Man ' .... ''Crooked Hillary'' What a thoroughly disgusting human being..For the World to overcome Trumpism the lead has to be taken by American of both Political hues... There are plenty of Republicans who detest Trump ...
Many of us in the NYC area knew him as "Don the con" as far back as the 70's....to us it wasn't much of a shock, but I can see how he could pull it off...he's had a TON of practice......
Yet, things were objectively better under Trump. Hmm.
@@jamescolvin575 No. Not really. Hmmmmm
@@jamescolvin575 Actually, what part of "Dude tried to violently overthrow the government and install himself as f*cking Supreme Ruler" did you miss? Authoritarian mindset much?
I would think that when the New York Times started to keep count of the lies and fact checking one of his speeches took hours it would be a clue.
In that silo it was "the failing NY Time's" and fake news.
"Bah, that was just the liberal media and SOROS trying to paint Trump as the bad guy, he doesn't actually lie that much"
I was proud when my gramps was able to admit that Trump lied at least some of the time. It was progress. :(
you gotta realize that, they also had a counter media platform that countered everything that came from the left. FOX news is a great example. The louder and more sinister their tactics was. The better.
@@Dapper_Dean oh I do realize brother!
The people at the head of the silo this guy would have been stuck in would just decry it as a falsehood and their audience would be primed to agree.
Welcome to the outside of the information silo. Bring your friends! ❤️
Beau's compassion and kindness is such an example.
Don’t like the smugness?
We’ll, shoot…what happened to:
“F*ck your feelings?” 🤔
I had to pause the video when he called Beau a "liberal" because I was laughing so hard, I couldn't pay attention.
The look on his face when he read that part 🤭
It was pretty funny.
I had a chuckle too
Are you saying he isn't?
@@apathyguy8338 Yes, he's progressive, not liberal. He aligns with some liberals on certain issues, but he is NOT a liberal.
I shared this on my page starting my comment off with it's difficult to admit when we're wrong. We got some things wrong during the pandemic and there were people trying to say we were making a mistake. Now studies are coming out saying things like shut downs did more harm than good overall.
It's the same with those who believed Trump.
I agree with you but I'm not sure the pandemic shutdowns would be a good example. Roughly 1/3 of the country failed to shut down the way the proponents said was necessary for the strategy to work. So the response, "How can you say the shutdown failed when we never did it?" is a valid one.
Your point still stands; I'd just pick a different example.
Thank you for that. It is so hard to imagine the force and weight of all the misinformation directed at ordinary people who want to do right. There is so much power behind it. So much fear and threat. Not least the threat of breaking up a loved family. It’s been a very sad, terrible few years.
The reason people are smug is because when they tried to legitimately and honestly point out the truth and facts, they were so thoroughly demonized, attacked, accused of being monstrous, and traitors.
So yeah, if you were made out to be a monster and exonerated, you would be smug too.
Now is not the time for smugness. To save our democracy, we need enlightened folk. Let's welcome them back with open arms. It's detrimental to hold a grudge for personal reasons when so much is at stake. We are bigger than this.
@@donnahopper9799 But it's not personal reasons. This wasn't some spat. This was people voting a dangerous, greedy liar into office, and it caused about 885 K deaths. And that's just the Covid-19 count. (Look at the death rate of the US and of nations comparable to the US had which took the pandemic serious, then calculate how many Covid deaths could have been avoided. I used Australia: similar size and variation in population)
Plus, that letter writer didn't give an example of that 'smugness'. I very much suspect that people going "thank goodness that toxic clown is finally going down and the January 6th rioters see some consequences for their actions!!" look smug to him.
But that's not smug.
Neither is being relieved to no longer be villified for pointing out the truth.
@@donnahopper9799 As angry as I get at them, you really are correct in how we should approach people. I have to be honest: how I talk to those I politically don't agree with changes along with how those people are approaching their intended audience. In other words, if the post is a nasty one, I'll usually respond in kind. But if it's coming from a place where I can tell they're not trying to troll, I become more receptive and an actual discussion ensues.
These latter exchanges really are more satisfying to me. More exchanges of ideas and the possibility of greater understanding of each other. But that's still gotta rest on a foundation of knowledge/education. If not having, then seeking.
Edit: And also rest on a more even-keeled mindset. I realize how gross it was for me that Trump and other self-centered, autocrat-style politicians rule(d) by the whimsical nature of ego and, by extension, reflexive emotion. So it's something I personally need to mind when engaging with others over contentious thingds.
@@donnahopper9799 As a Republican Anti-Trumper, let me tell you what you are not understanding about Trumpers in my party: They don't give a crap about anyone but THEM. They are the most SMUG people you will ever meet. And they are so delicate if you hurt their feelings.
Do not welcome them back with open arms, they will just STAB you in the back when its convenient for them.
THE HARDER AND MORE PAINFUL THIS LESSON IS FOR THEM, the more they will remember it; They only care about how things affect JUST them.
@@donnahopper9799 I don't care if people are smug, frankly. But I'm not welcoming anyone who tried to kill me back with open arms. We're not just talking about people who disagreed with us politically. We're talking about people who tried (and are still trying) to start a civil war, install a Christo-fascist government on every level, and remove civil and human rights from their fellow citizens all because they're afraid of living in a nation where white people aren't the majority.
Stop saying "we're bigger than this." Not holding people accountable for their actions is why this stuff never went away after the 1960s & 70s. And people like you ignored the calls for attention over that last 25 years to the fact that our police forces and military are brimming with white supremacists who happily supported this man and others like him.
This is bigger than Trump. They supported Trump (and the rest of his ilk) because he wanted deliver on the type of country they wanted to live in -- one where anyone who wasn't like them was treated as a 2nd-class citizen or worse.
This is not the time for hugging and kumbayah. This is the time to show that you can't just try to start a civil war or install an authoritarian government without consequences. Feel free to enlighten people as much as you want, but these folks weren't just pawns. They were *Willing Pawns* because Trump's policies and machinations served their goals.
That's why I love this channel. You have real, good faith conversations with everyone. As we all should. Thanks.
I get to say this from the outside looking in. So this is probably a little unfair to those on the inside. But it is obvious to most people outside of the US what a craven liar he is and how unfit he is a leader. He lies to you because he can. He found fertile soil for his lies to take root and be repeated. Some need to learn to think critically, to be an observer (watch what they do not what they say) know your history and where these types of things lead. As soon as I heard he was running I was like surely they won’t because if they do it is going to turn out bad, and maybe not just for the US. Incompetent leaders surround themselves with even less competent people because they are threatened. His desire for loyalty superseded the desire for capability. He needed to surround himself with with sycophants and yes men because his ego can bear nothing less. Everything that Trump touches dies. At least now one can have an example of what a confidence man looks like. “Believe me, I am the only one.” This should have been your queue for your bullshit meter to be five alarm fire. The man could barely put together coherent sentences. All talk, no results. Took credit for others work and accomplishments. Still has no redeeming qualities at all. The propaganda told people what to think. You want not to be fooled again, you need at least two perspectives and need to learn not to identify with either one.
Feeling a little salty on this one.
Yeah, but the rise of right wing lunatics across the globe says you're not quite right. We've been witnessing Trump-like figures gain power throughout Europe, South America, and Asia in recent years. This isn't just an American thing, and it doesn't help anyone to pretend so.
In our defense, a *LOT* of us saw, spoke out, stated unequivocally that he was every horrible thing you just said and more.
Let it not be said that America went down without a lot of people fighting against these Republican grifters and criminals.
We did. We saw the writing on the wall.
We knew the history. We know what happens when politics turns like this.
We know how fragile our democracy is. We know how easily the corrupted system can get torn down with nothing to replace it.
We.... *I* have been fighting this monster and his evil principles ever since the day he won the Republican nomination.
And I'm not alone.
So, there's reason for concern, but there's no reason to throw in the towel, yet. I'm not gonna.
Absolutely on point. I could see this coming from miles away in 2020.........and I'm from Africa. Then again, when it started getting really over the top with his so many, what looked to me, as obviously illegal and decidedly criminal actions by a through and through Conman with enough past record of that, I used to defend the Country and it's System and kept arguing that there'll someday, be a reckoning. At times I have been doubtful of my own words and thought that maybe I'd seen too many movies with the cavalry coming through at the last minute.
Well, this January 6th committee led by a staunch Republican, looks very much it.
Now if only your Justice department does it's duty to the Country and not fall back to that "saving an institution" excuse. Because that really would be a death knell to Democracy in the US and will result in irrepairable damage to America's standing and it's stage in the World of today.
I’m an American. Many of the people I know saw him for what he was in 2016.
@@AbsFabbs I saw him for what he was in the 80's.
I watched my husband's family fall into the same trap. It was really sad that we were pretty much disowned from that side of the family because we saw it was a con. You were conned and it is that simple. The hardest part is owing up to it for yourself. It is hard to admit that you know you were taken advantage of.
Please take the advise and stay well informed and look at multiple sources.
His racism appealed to a LOT of people
It’s easy to laugh and snicker at these people when they are the ones who were calling everyone sheep, they were so arrogant and confident, some still are even after all this.
Exactly. It was what they were doing (still are) with words like libtard, sheeple, "owning the libs". Turn around's fair play.
The sheep comment has bothered me - not because I'm being called one but these people call themselves the religious right and don't even seem to understand that the Sheep knows its master's voice. In the end the Sheep will be separated from the goats. Call me Sheep all day long, I know my master! In the end times, what is good shall be called bad and what is bad will be called good - seems like the religious right needs to read their bible. The religious right are like the Pharisees - Jesus didn't like them either.
I take no pride in having perceived who Trump is from the first exposure to him. How can I take any credit for who I am? It's perplexing to me more than anything else that so many people are predisposed to being duped by con artists. And we ALL have to live with the consequences.
Agree!
Very well said. I think we have earned the right to be smug and judgmental. It’s lazy to let others inform you of what your beliefs are and I don’t think anyone gets any credit for coming clean now. The truth has been excruciatingly visible for a long time and so much damage has already been done for me to sympathize with anyone who remains duped or anyone who knows the truth but continues to push far right agendas. Sorry not sorry.
Great point. I don’t feel smug - I feel fed up. Countless hours spent trying to come up with ways to convince people He’s a lying fascist and we’re finally getting somewhere. This is what it takes to convince Americans of the truth??
But the ones that have been trying to tell you about the orange one
BUT you had hate for me
NOW YOU SEE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET YOU TO UNDERSTAND AND BELIEVE!!! 🤔
Grew up in a household with a Narcissist and that's why I was skeeved out by what was coming out of his mouth. Saw too much of the abusive personality in him.
It helps when thinking about the "smug anti Trumpers" like me to realize that not only were we seeing this all happen, we were constantly told for years that were were idiot liberals who hated America and Trump was going to give us what we had coming, especially when he got reelected. Yeah, sorry I can't just forget about that.
Absolutely. No unity with Not-Sees.
I have to disagree. Anyone who is willing to get out of Trump world because they've realized that they were lied to will be welcomed by me. I've been wrong before on other issues and recieved grace from others when I came to know the truth. I want the Republican Party to come back to the party of John McCain whom I respected for his honor and fairness even though not agreeing with his political position. (As a side note: He corrected one of his voters when she said Obama was a Muslim not born in the USA. He could have exploited that but did not.) I celebrate Beau's letter-writer and retain no hard feelings at all.
@@donnahopper9799 Okay, excellent point, and you are probably a better person that me. I agree that you are right that anybody who wants to climb out of that silo should be helped.
In the OP's defense: he said he can't just forget, not "can't forgive".
I think I feel the same: it's not just that there were so many insults, so much use of that stupid term "sheeple" by people who clearly didn't bother looking stuff up ... and it feels like this letter writer either conveniently ignores that, or sees no 'smugness' in that.
It's also that the letter-writer doesn't show an ounce of awareness of what he might have caused to others, or of transgressions to others he supported for years.
@@donnahopper9799 That's bullshit, sure they were lied and mislead about many many lots of things, but they saw fascist ideas and fascist policies, they saw racism, they saw misogyny and they liked it, they felt identified, they were not lied about what they liked. No sympathy for fascists, as the saying goes, Nazis get the rope.
@@Julia-lk8jn I guess it's easy to forgive when those people weren't chanting for the death of all people like you....must be nice.
A valiant effort, my friend. I have to say I am personally exhausted by the amount of hand holding and walking on eggshells we've had to do with marginal Trump supporters, because they seem to never understand how a so-called "smug" attitude can easily evolve out of being dismissed, mocked and gaslit relentlessly for simply stating facts about the man and movement they put so much blind faith in. There is an arrogance underpinning a lot of Trumpism that essentially tells them to place their gut feelings, biases and desire for simple answers over the truth. I think some of them are/were truly just duped in a way that is if not relatable then to some degree understandable. Sadly, I don't think that is the majority of them. Hope I'm wrong, because the alternative is pretty fucking dark.
The thing that infuriates me about talking with Trump supporters is, while I'll concede the shortcomings of Democrat leaders, they won't admit Trump's faults, or if they do, they'll be very dismissive about them. It goes beyond just liking Trump's policies, they actually like the man, and to me that's like liking Hitler.
And THAT is why it's a bonafide cult.
Eh... maybe go with a less-ultra-evil dictatorial autocrat. Maybe... Erdogan? Putin? (Although... he's running up the competition for Hitler right now so maybe not)
They also use projection, attributing things to Obama or Biden that are actually true about Trump.
They admit his faults and actually praise his faults most of the time. Or they will say "well ya he did this..." but then try to spout something worse a Democrat did. It's crazy.
Hitler was too efficient w/MUCH bigger body count. Mussolini is a closer parallel. Francko. Pinochet. just another tin pot dictator... nobody is immune.
Take some responsibility for your bad choices. We still have to deal with the consequences, sorry if we are still a bit peeved.
last year A man moved into the neighborhood a little ways down the street from us built a new house and surrounded his home with trump banners and flags by day 3 of the hearings he had taken them all down. he still has up some small anti Biden things. I can't confirm the hearings did it but its nice timing.
The brandon thing ain't going too great in my neighborhood.
He looks too weak on home policies to really get approval back, most probably
Who wants to look like a complete idiot when faced with solid truth backed up by concrete evidence?
Not the first time I've read that since the hearings started. Every one is a victory.
For a while there I thought we must live in the same hood. But no, it’s a man & woman, & their flags are still flying & refreshed every few weeks.
This is a great video. Thank you for dealing with this issue in a sympathetic manner. My son's are not 'dumb' either. They just fell into a silo of info that was self-corroborating.
To everyone: Read court transcripts. Read testimony. Read lawsuits. Ignore snippets and find and watch the whole video.
We are all vulnerable to looking for an echo chamber that repeats what we already believe.
I remember back in October of 2015 my parents and I were watching the last debate between Clinton and Trump. We all commented on the fact that we knew if somehow miraculously Trump got elected, which we knew could not possibly happen, that he would destroy the presidency. It was obvious just listening to him. The fact that so many people actually believed what he was saying and voted for him to run our democracy was beyond our comprehension. The contempt we felt and still feel for the lack of thought those people gave to their vote, is still at the surface. It's not being smug, it's about the contempt we feel for people who can't bring themselves to opening their eyes to the obvious truth.
and what happened? He helped the speed up of ruining OUR COUNTRY.
Hopefully,when you know better,you do better. Thanks Beau. You responded with class.🇺🇸
The writer also needs to think about how many times republicans (and probably himself) has demeaned, degraded or insulted democrats. I,ve said that if I had a dollar for everytime I have been called a "libtard", etc, I could pay off my house.
He also needs to remember that we have been trying to tell republicans all along. So, yeah, there's a bit of "I told you so" thrown in, as well.
Yep. Their rally is "make the liberals cry" even if it also makes them cry.
Amen, I'm guessing there is a better than average change this guy or someone near him has uttered "F--- your feelings" or "facts don't care about your feelings", and now it's "why are they being mean to me?".
Insults go both ways though, it's not just the right and if you try to point that out to someone on the left that they are being offensive the response is "good the deserve it because they are clearly stupid and support harmful policies".
It's still important to welcome them back to reality to show them they still have somewhere they belong.if we just give them shit they will be more tempted to go back to where they felt welcome
@@deathwishcherry8144 You speak bold and beautiful Truth. Thank you.
This is one of those who was screaming "snowflakes!" wondering where the smugness comes from, the nerve!
You handled this snowflake with care, that was nice.
For those of you who are old-school "Star Trekkers:"
“But they found it's a trap, like a narcotic. Because when dreams become more important than reality, you give up travel, building, creating. You even forget how to repair the machines left behind by your ancestors. You just sit living and reliving other lives left behind in the thought records.”
(Vina, from the original pilot "The Cage")
An apt quote, discussed in the ponderous tome Fantasyland by Kurt Andersen. It's an excellent read; it explains so much about the American ethos.
@@krejados1 Live Long and Prosper.🖖
"We are the Borg. Your culture will adapt to service us. Trump is a racist and vote blue no matter who. You will be assimilated."
Susan Oliver was also the Green Chick.
She was one of the first 19 women accepted to producers school.
That was the creepiest episode! LL&P!
You handled that with kindness and tact. Bless you.
Good on that person for coming out and admitting they were wrong. We need more of that
The thing is New Yorkers knew. And warned. And begged. But most of the country doesn't even consider New Yorkers part of America, so what they have to say goes unnoticed.
Smugness is of course never helpful and very, very rarely effective. There were accounts dedicated to persuasion and not mockery on both sides. But the smug went both ways too. Humans are human, even when we cling to our bubbles and refuse to recognize humanity in each other.
I truly appreciate the courage and honesty of the person who wrote the question. Thank you, Beau for your compassion and integrity in considering the perspectives of the people who were/are influenced by Trump and his associates. I have beloved family members who still believe Trump’s lies… it’s been difficult to manage how I respond to the comments of these loved ones.
The smugness is because, contrary to what many people say, saying, "I told you so" is INCREDIBLY gratifying
All of those Liberals that he couldn't stand to listen to probably told him thousands of times that Fox News rots his brain. If I knew him personally, I would definitely make a point of rubbing it in for a little while.
It might be for small things but for these kind of events that change in worst not just the States I wouldn't have that feeling.
Or, a little more bluntly, "F*CKIN' TOLD YA!!!"
I want to also throw out there that part of the smugness also comes as a response to the toxicity of the Trump era. Trump himself was a openly hostile figure in public discourse, smugness is a natural response to watching the people who embraced that toxicity full throatedly get taken down a peg. Not saying it's necessarily helpful or constructive, just adding a further explanation for where it comes from.
Not used to being vulnerable publicly I guess. Any reaction we have that isn’t “It’s okay; you’re so brave!” is taken as hostile
You are exactly right. A smug attitude in this case is just humans being human, spiced up by the emotion that fits the entrée.
That's what I got too, a Trumper calling others 'smug' is a true case of pot meet kettle. Remember in 2016 when we were all mad that Trump only won off the electoral college, and all the Trumpers were telling us 'he won, get over it'? I think the guy just got so used to smugness while inside the information silo that he sees it everywhere he goes now.
Tiny hands represents everything that is wrong with his generation.
I was a racist for not voting for Obama, a misogynist because I would never vote for Clinton, and accused of being faschist (at the very least) for voting for the man who didn't spend his career learning how to doubletalk and be politically correct.
But Trumps the toxic one. That's where it comes from.