ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- These artists used their platform to warn fans about the pitfalls of the music industry.
If you're new, Subscribe! → bit.ly/subscrib...
Go here → loudwire.com/
Like us → / loudwire
Follow us → / loudwire
Follow us → / loudwire
Get our newsletter → loudwire.com/ne...
#Music #Loudwire #LoudLists #Top10 #MusicIndustry #Metal #Rock #Compilation #Lists
![[🔴LIVE] งานประกาศรางวัล MAYA TV AWARDS 2024 : มายามหาชน](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/nwmWYXXVwBY/mqdefault.jpg)
Billy Corgan: th-cam.com/video/8ipj7FLS7FQ/w-d-xo.html
Frank Zappa: th-cam.com/video/KZazEM8cgt0/w-d-xo.html
Chester Bennington / Serj Tankian: th-cam.com/video/6fa8lJKTy0I/w-d-xo.html
Alex Skolnick: th-cam.com/video/LgqhWotB2tk/w-d-xo.html
David Draiman: th-cam.com/video/cokL-fU9ONQ/w-d-xo.html
Prince: th-cam.com/video/jXawTbQFGjQ/w-d-xo.html
Devin Townsend: th-cam.com/video/RDsoXJX4GPY/w-d-xo.html
Bret Michaels: th-cam.com/video/ZHYu7SIzkgU/w-d-xo.html
Al Jourgensen: th-cam.com/video/f3WNCXPqmbI/w-d-xo.html
Keep this series coming! Musicians talking about stuff 😁
Glad you included Uncle Al!
none of this questions the existence of music as an industry and product. none of this mentions that you are going nowhere unless you are a mason. think: what is music for? what role does music have in society? sure, that seems attractive, but, how are they gonna let anyone up there? uncle al? "t'witch" the ignored statement. go back to with sympathy, see how much negativity is being dumped on you. dysfunctional baggage. this is what masons do. i've been making vst (software instruments) for 19 years. i have a very very bad reputation with other instrument makers.
Thank you for posting this
TLC talked about being award winning, multi-platinum and broke in Behind the Music back in 1998
Don't forget: a musician can make an album without a label, but a label can't make an album without a musician. They need us more than we need them.
Musicians are literally a dime a dozen and they don't need you at all. They have marketing divisions that could make the most unpopular, ugliest person popular and famous. They have hundreds of shadow writers and session players at their beck and call and catalogues of songs that they can give to whomever they are promoting that day. The industry is sleazy but so is every industry in the entertainment side of things. Sports is way worse then the music industry in terms of this, tv/movie land is on par with music. They know people will sign because fame and money is what folks want, they also know that very few of them know how to read a contract let alone get a couple of lawyers to look them over so they will throw in all sorts of stuff to see what they can get away with. The funny thing is no one complains while they are making money, starting their careers and riding the fame wave - they only complain about the hand that fed once they are successful and have knowledge and leverage.
Think of Macklemore he's definitely great. Did it on his own hope he's doing good
@@corail53 this I agree with to some extent. Of course there are cases of abusive companies here and there but sometimes I do find some “complaints” from some famous people that would make me think “well… you did sign a contract and you are providing for a large group of people including the staff that helped you reach this point”. But of course we will never know the real truth behind the scenes but I agree with you when thinking of some cases.
Yeah sorry bud. They have an exponential amount of money musicians dont
@@corail53 So tell me, which label did Chance the Rapper need in order to win his three Grammy awards? Whose marketing department put Acid Rap at #5 on the Billboard 200?
What Prince said was so on point and just as brilliant as I'd expect from him. Record labels are a delivery service and should NOT own the music.
That's exactly what stood out to me too. 100%
Prince was b4 his time
Formerly known as Prince. 🙌😝
He exposed chemtrails on live TV!
@@mosaicskulls8071 the symbol for love
I've been a musician for 50 years. I can say the best musicians don't care about fame and fortune. They sit on the edge of their bed and just get better and better; you'd be amazed at the talent and skill out there.
Not MUCH point if you DON'T play in FRONT of people!
What do you play? We could jam!
If I was seriously making music, I would insist on making money. Otherwise why bother? The so-called music industry isn't in it for fun, so why should I be any different?
@@thomasrobinson182 GOOD call!
So what do they do for money?
Zappa made a profound point. Artists are literally allowing one person ( out of billions) to decide if their music is quality. That is insane and irrational.
But now artists can record and produce their own music at home and release it themselves via the Internet though, so it's not so relevant today.
@@robambrose4199 Now there is so much crappy music
@@br.m That's one way to look at it. Another way of looking at it is that we don't just have loads of new good music to listen to, but we still have all the old music too, so we haven't really lost anything, apart from really old stuff that wasn't recorded in the first place, or was on recordings so rare that most people won't be missing them. Have you heard that Lemon Twigs song called: Corner of my eye + seen their tank-tops in the video ? It's worth checking out just for their outfits.
@@br.m "Now there is so much crappy music" yes, i always say to people that say that, Yes but it's because now you have tons of more people making music, more people = more music = more shit music that you need to filter out to find the good stuff. Another reason is computers, the way music is recorded no, no band can sound like Metallica in the 80's, that real hardware hand recorded sound does not exist today in the digital computer recorded sound, unless some band goes very old school, same reason why Michael Jackson still sounds better than any pop artist today.
@@Real_SkyRipper Computers can be ok. I keep an old computer from the 90's with old software.
The newer software annoyed me because it has all these "features" to make the process easier. It often messes up the sound though.
Newer computers also make it easy to add effects after recording. Like in the past, there wasn't enough memory or processing power. So all or most effects would be "live" and recorded that way.
Now, with powerful computers and cheap RAM, people tend to heap effects on after recordings are made. Then the magic or the life is sucked out of the sound
With most of the crap music these days, I doubt most people are even recording. Just using digital instruments or samples
"Even FedEx doesn't say they own the thing that they ship"
Such a great analogy,
Prince summed it up, simply and beautifully.
Only if they didn’t pay for the recordings
If you make the recordings and bring it to them
then they are a promoter/distributor delivery service
but if you don’t have a pot to piss in
making an album is expensive and they have a vested interest in it
otherwise they wouldn’t do it
so the negotiations begin there
If a musician signs it away... record excs DO own it... they own it all.
Doesn't matter...they killed him for opening people's eyes to the truth.
Too much, he said it well
@@annreiter284 He was a drug addict...
People wonder why so many rock stars are depressed and struggle with addiction.
That's true and when you sell your soul to the devil this is what the big companies are doing totally screwing over artist out of money they have NO RIGHT TAKING. Artist need to be making money from THIER music management and labels have no right to own bands material unless the band or artist agreed on it.
I don't wonder. I don't care. Just entertain me.
Oh cry me a river
Many of them are troubled people and probably have those issues to begin with. Whatever caused them to have those issues are also things that contribute to them being good artists. Couple addiction with piles of money to feed that addiction, it just makes an already existing problem worse.
@@JM-fo1te Nah, nobody cares about you.
I'm a writer. A few years back I met Pat Mills, one of my literary heroes. When I told him I was a writer his first advice was to stay away from publishing houses. He said it's a machine that just takes all of your work and all of the money and treats you as if you don't exist. This was the first advice he gave to me. We no longer need them.
Any advice then on how to gain money from our own writing, without contacting them?
@@pannik_lucas some don't realize a competitor would say something like this to snuff out future competition.
@@fyodordostoevsky2861 A fun thought, albeit those would be some low chances for a TH-cam comment
@@pannik_lucas First, gaining money should not be your objective. But self publishing allows to to retain control of your work and gain almost all of the proceeds.
@@fyodordostoevsky2861 You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about.
“Even Fed Ex doesn’t own the things that they ship.” ~prince
I loved to see the interview with Alein Jorgensen he is so good! His music really rocks me even now more. ( Ministry Twitch) and what he is saying about recording companies and radio stations defining what music is supposed to sound like.
Prince hit nail perfectly on the head with that statement!
“Even Prince doesn’t own the things that they ship.” ~Fed Ex
"You will own nothing and be happy" -World Economic Forum
If you're an artist getting interest from labels, you know you're doing something right, keep doing what you're doing, stay away from labels & be the owner of your music
@Hugs Bunny or, run your indie band like a business, that's why a chunk of indie bands are making bank. They learned from the older artists.
no artist has ever made it on their own, Fact... they will always have the dream of them in their head being fame, fact
stop daydreaming of being a fame artist, Fact... you love music keep to yourself, if you make money of it your no music lover, Fact...just another fame seeker... fact
call snoop dog, call Eminem, call Taylor swift, call famous, and they know who i am..GMIX, G-unit..
@Hugs Bunny so who?, a couple guys playing at mom and dad garage, someone a county fair, or that band at a bar... so those guy who have credibility ???no then who
@Hugs Bunny here is a band that wrights their own music and lyric
they just needed the money and the push
Bring Me The Horizon - Shadow Moses
Worked in music publishing for long time and learned the following things:
1. You don't need a record label, especially now in 2021
2. Own your own publishing, always
3. If you do sign a contract related to your music, take it to a lawyer that specializes in music business contracts specifically, and read the thing!
How do you do your own publishing?
@@superkatarsis 1) register with a performing rights organization(ascap/Bmi), 2) start a publishing company, really just a name with a business license, 3) register your song with your info and publishing info with the performing rights organization. That is the quick and dirty.
@@timdahl I never ever really understood the mechanics behind publishing deals and still don’t but they have definately given me some decent amounts of money.
#2 is actually more important than any combo of reasons.
If you don't own your music.....you own nothing, and not only that, the thieves will profit mightily off of you.
Learn this now kids.
@@superkatarsis you thinking you got decent amounts of money, imagine their cut and without working, not only that, they can still gain profits after you're dead, but your family don't.
Prince was very very intelligent in music, in business in taking care of himself. He was an advocate for himself and called out those companies like every artist should.
As big as Prince or Michael Jackson were they couldn’t really fight the Jewish music “industry”.
@@dambigfoot6844 And so they died.
@Stephanie Slayer Michael Jackson had a song "They don't really care about us". A song literally about being the powers that be. They bleeped out 2 words about Jews and soon after is when the mass slander campaign against him started.
bullshit
@Stephanie Slayer no he called out Sony and Sony killed him
I had a friend who was a producer for RCA. They brought on a new musician who was all excited that they were supplying beer and great food during his recording. I was like "you know you're paying for all this, right? It'll be in your contract." He said "What?" He had no idea.
OH YES FOR SURE ! The Artist is treated like royalty because the crooked execs set up the glit and glamour at the expense ''of the Artist''. The crooked execs even take out a huger chuck of money for service councilor...mice print in THE Contract.
Artist ignorance is amazing.
@@GuidedbyCrows - more like artists are taken advantage of bc they are naive and simply just want to create music.
Which is how it should be. You give it your best or don’t do it at all.
@@GuidedbyCrows Which is why the vile music industry can see the very gullible music artists. The "Bloodsuckers" know how to say "sweet nothings" to the artists, they know how to "masque" their faces and the hidden agendas (literal contracts of deception & corruption) from the artist, they know how to work the music artists to insanity, and then they "bleed" the artists dry. Period. 💯
@@GuidedbyCrows It's even more amazing how people have the 🖤 to misuse and abuse talented individuals (in ANY industry) for greed and corruption. Simply...AMAZING. God help us, in the Name of Jesus Christ. 💯
As a fully DIY, independent solo artist since 2003, Ive never been more grateful for the choices I made early in my career... especially going into this pandemic. So many of my fellow artists had very few options to financially adapt to once touring went out the window; even that still seems rather bleak.
We're already seeing well established acts like Periphery and Times of Grace (to name a few) walk away from labels and still reach notable success. Once you know how the machine works, there's little reason to ever put yourself and your bandmates through that and sign away your creativity. Slowly but surely, the artist will realize his/her power and start strong-arming these labels into getting fair deals that benefit the longevity of the artist. We are the labels' life-source... not the other way around.
Labels have their benefits don’t get me wrong, but often times the juice is not worth the squeeze.
Just my humble opinion, keep on rockin' on!
I love your music! I’m striving to be half the musician you are man
@@thetacticaltildo1139 Much obliged my friend, appreciate the kind words!
honestly I've only ever heard how you play in the shred collabs, but what you've said in this is some really great advice on how everything works
Hey, will The Juice Is Not Worth The Squeeze be a future song title?? Cause that would be rad AF😎🤟
True words, especially from a shred maestro.
I've been saying for years the concept of the 'record label' is a dinosaur. With the advances made in recording technology, coupled with costs of said technology getting lower, it's now completely possible to record and release a studio quality level project from home. Not to mention, thanks to various social media platforms and other such creations (TH-cam being one), you can now get your name out there better than any agent could have 20 years ago.
The record label is obsolete but the professional recording studio is not. Depends on the kind of music to be honest. With electronic music, I'd say all you need is talent. Even something produced fully in the box can sound great. But not everyone has access to a great sounding room to record real drums or a piano etc. It all depends on where your bar is but a lot of home recordings that have been released sound absolutely terrible. There's a certain polish to the production of a big name artist's music that has been professionally mixed and mastered. Again, it all comes down to skill. But recording and mixing is an art by itself and musicians would greatly benefit from getting that touch from a pro audio engineer. Even getting a fresh objective ear to listen to your music can take it up a notch.
Not to mention that a lot of modern production practices are really lazy and you hear it in a lot of tracks these days. It's very rare that you'll come across a bedroom studio album with real instruments that sounds as good as say, Steely Dan's records. The flip side to accessibility is that everyone starts thinking they know how to do something without the proper practice so you end up with a lot more sub par work. But the democratization of production is a net positive. You can get more music out there more easily. The gatekeepers aren't there anymore. The audience directly decides what they want to listen to.
@@lamenamethefirst With the amazing quality of soundfont libraries, used by the likes of Hans Zimmer and others, I'd argue that a well-treated room for real instruments just isn't needed anymore. I can program drums using live-recorded sample packs I buy online that fool even the most seasoned mix engineers, and the orchestral and choral and instrument soundfonts these days, as I said, are practically indistinguishable from the real thing.
I mean, I have quite a few Kontakt libraries myself, and they blew my socks off.
A good buddy of mine is a guitar player of 15 years, and I was able to trick him on one of my tracks where I used Ample Guitar, and he legitimately thought (until I told him otherwise) that I had hired a session musician.
All you need these days is a laptop, and if you're doing vocals, an interface and a mic.
When I went to school, our main studio had an SSL AWS 948, which was an amazing console to get to work on and use.
But the honest fact is, I now own the SSL 2 interface in my home studio, and its preamps are LEAGUES better than the SSL 2, in another tier entirely. 70dB of dynamic range vs 130, not to mention my interface's THD is MUCH lower (something like 0.0013% - while SSL is quiet about this stuff, the 948's is likely tens of times higher).
And compare the price tags, man. $100k plus for the console, $280 for my interface. It isn't even a competition. Not to mention SSL sells channel strips both in hardware and plugin format that can perfectly replicate the analog saturation that so many engineers miss from the old days, and a good mixing engineer can even replicate that sound using only stock plugins in your DAW, which arguably offers a hundred times more flexibility than ANY mixing console ever produced and at a fraction of a fraction of the cost.
Yes, it's true a lot of home recordings are terrible. That comes with the territory. When you make something available to anybody, you wind up with a far larger sample size and thus the chances you'll encounter something that doesn't live up to standards is higher.
But what are the odds? Say, 5% of all home recordings don't hold up. There were production errors and mistakes back in the day when engineers were getting the hang of studio gear as it was introduced and a great many tracks made during this pioneering era would also be well below the bar, a good 5% or so.
I think the healthy competition that increased as a result of the availability of prosumer gear just guarantees quality will improve for everyone in due time, as long as the artists/engineers are serious.
If you want relevance, you need to be competitive, and there's no shortage of video blogs and step by step instructions and guides and advice blogs on TH-cam by some of the greatest engineers that have ever lived. You don't even need audio engineering school anymore, which set people like me back a good 30 grand or so.
I think it's become like the wild west. Anybody can commit and if they put the work in and overcome the competition, they can become successful and a big studio just isn't relevant anymore.
If it were, SSL, Neve, and API wouldn't be reduced to selling channel strips and plugins, they'd be making their money from console sales alone, and that just simply isn't the state of the market anymore and hasn't been for over a decade now. Bedroom studios are quickly becoming the norm and there's no shortage of resources to fine-tune the experience to make the most of it, not to mention the ease of collaboration with skilled individuals in any specialization you could want (recording engineers, mix engineers, mastering engineers, songwriters, producers, session musicians, etc)
Anyone that is still signing a deal with a media company are the biggest fools. I give you a pass if you’ve already made your millions and have a strong fan base. Cause maybe you’re working for a type of legacy u can’t get on YT or IG etc
@@newagain9964
Yet even someone like Billie Eillish signed a deal with Interscope to get even bigger and more famous more quickly.
Not to mention "Disney's 'Happier Than Ever: A Love Letter To LA' "... or the heavily photoshopped pictures for Vogue.
It is quite hilarious how quick her "self-made" image got turned into a marketable brand by big media.
After almost 10 years in the industry the only thing I can say about music is if you can sell cars or Kirby vacuums or even fake jewelry at the mall, you have a spot in the music industry. It’s not the actual industry it’s the people that make it so fucked up. It’s all about the almighty dollar. Nothing else matters.
Right. True talent means nothing.
4:18 I liked the way Prince explained it the best. He really had a well known and long, tenuous relationship with the record industry. Billy Corgan and Brett Michaels broke it down very well as well.
And that's why he's dead, sadly
He knew he was a slave
Prince was the most self absorbed, egotistical narcissist in music history
Brett Michaels is d-bag, but he did touch on a good point about owning publishing rights. Frank Zappa also understood the importance of owning the publishing right. There’s an interview clip out there of Steve Vai talking about it, which he learned from Zappa.
@@SobrietyandSolace prince is dead because he stuck with the rules of his religion and wouldn't accept blood transfusions or agree to needed procedures that would require blood transfusions. That's why he was in so many heavy narcotics for so long.
“Even FedEx doesn’t say they own the thing they ship…….”
We miss you, brother
100%
R.I.P Prince
Did FedEx subsidize the package you are shipping?
For real.
yeah, but he signed the contract. If you don't like the deal, then don't sign. But going back and complaining about a deal you signed just bc you don't think it's fair anymore...??
Every artist said the same thing, but Prince simply nailed it.
Not really. He owned his own studio, but different than the rest who rented 200k in studio time.
Prince was a true genius in every way, and paid dearly for it in the end, they make you pay the ultimate price for rebelling.
@@Veldtian1 Can you express what you really mean here. Billions of us out here feel something went wrong in a sadistic way unknown to us. Something about his ending almost seemed as if some entity out there mocked one for his hit songs " I'm Not Gonna Let The Elevator - Bring Us Down" and you see him in that elevator.
thank god for those musicians, I was this close to joining the music industry
TH-cam Guitar player Jared Dines jokes that he is better off on TH-cam then with a label because he gets to keep 100% of all the profit he makes.
@@NCA0896 TH-cam Guitar player Jared Dines.
He's not lying.
I think I heard/read somewhere that Matt Heafy is in the same position with live streaming on Twitch as he is making more money on Twitch than on his actual music?!! Again I think it was Matt or some other musician who doing online internet stuff🙂
@@Luke_Person1234 Not surprised, Matt Heafy is a personal friend of Jared Dines.
Yeah, unfortunately.
I really wish we could get more "warnings" about any industry tbh! So many people dreaming to get in, thinking it would be sweet, etc... and then they realized it's completely different. This could open our eyes to how the show is run.
Very well stated. You are spot on/"on point."
Do it yourself thats the problem waiting for someone to do research for you
I agree I think if more people spoke up about the corruption behind all these industries a lot of people will think more about what they want to do, so many people dream to be huge but at what cost, a lot of musicians I listened to and bands who were in the industry had lots of problems they were probably young at some point thought they own their own music they put their blood sweat and tears into, to then just have it ripped from you and then have some high person in position taken advantage of you, never shake the shady person's hand, never sign a contract have a lawyer and read it carefully also the label industry in my personal opinion is a scam what's the point in making music if you don't have the rights to you're own song, that you as a creator made.
And to make it worse a lot of these bands who been screwed over for decades they end up taken drugs alcohol ect. Then you wonder why so many of these musicians are depressed because they were taken advantage of and I guarentee some of them probably at some point attempted to try to end their own life and regretted signing that damn contract I even heard of some cases were musicians end up committing suicide because it was too much and they were unable to pay royalties which is sad.
There's a lesson here never trust Hollywood screw Hollywood and screw the label industry. That's all I'm going to say
You guys haven't seen much. So many artist talk about it and so many get killed too. Did you guys know that labels take out life insurance policies on their artist? Let that sink in. Make sense as to why so many die. Especially in rap.
One of the most important processes in the human lifespan is to become "disillusioned."
Best of luck to all discovering the truth.
Independent artists are living it up. Don't sell your soul to a record company.
They are not "living it up" lol. The DIY approach is being widely over-romanticized, it is incredibly difficult and stressful and there are very, very few examples of people who actually became successful doing it. Record Labels can only fuck artists over this bad precisely because what they're offering is very valuable and enticing to upcoming artists. E.g. if you're not so lucky as to go viral somehow (which EVERYBODY wants to do and is therefore extremely unlikely), you on your own or even with a small marketing agency are simply never going to be able to compete with the marketing means and reach of a giant record company, no matter how many FB comments you write with your blue checkmark account or how many Insta stories you post each day.
Most of them influenced by vile "artists"
@@Christopher-md7tf So THAT'S how those dumb comments get hundreds of THOUSANDS of likes. You've edified me.
@@Christopher-md7tf tell that to Young Dolph. Never signed anything. Started his own label.
Correction: POPULAR independent artists are living it up. If you’re independent and not as well known as a big band, you’re going to have a rough time.
Jewel got a good deal, she read a book on it, turned down the advance, asked for $2K a month, and went on tour. She made all her money on one hit and that was enough. At 18 she negotiated the best back end deal anyone ever had.
Boom 🏆
Very very smart girl. And everyone knows who Jewel is💖
Who's Jewel?
@@lordzeuscannon6400 Look up Foolish Games by Jewel if you feel like crying
@@giggiesurge why would I do that? No sense in crying over someone who doesn't matter
I only discovered Zappa a few years ago, but the more I learn about him the more I realize why he is for the most part buried from public knowledge. Hate his music all you want, but the man was a force unlike any other. Standing up to the PRMC, calling out the foolish nature of American politics on both sides, going independent in a time when it was unheard of. He is one of my idols and it’s an utter tragedy we lost him so relatively young.
Hate Frank Zappas music😲?Why I never heard of such a thing.
No one hates Frank Zappa. You however...
@@edwardlagrossa1246 lol is that right?
same here just found out about Zappa a while ago, personally, I love his music and his mustache , and the things he stood for, unfortunately, he was gone too soon, like all the greats
@@aaronbaraiya3692 The funny thing is that I actually love his music. He even realized himself that his music isn’t for everybody and that’s what I made my comment about not liking his music. That seems to be the only criticism about him is that his music was “weird”. Regardless I agree that he was taken far too soon and the world could really use a person like that these days.
Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes explained the points system perfectly when explaining how her group, TLC, went bankrupt in spite of selling over 10 million albums. They signed a sub-par contract with low points and got screwed badly. They only took home about $60k each in spite of selling all those albums. In regards to Prince, he always said "if you don't own your masters, your masters will own you." RIP 💜💜💜
How right Prince was. No wonder he chose a symbol for his identity for a while.
@@xaraxen
He did that because Warner Brothers refused to allow him to use own his birth name during their dispute.
Amen to Prince
@@faith2xxx No. Warner refused to release Prince's enormous backlog of music at his will, that's why.
@@xaraxen He didn't do it out of spite. He was feeling trapped creatively.
ive never understood why its so difficult
to get into the music industry , you have
to take someone to recommend you .
if you was a talented sportsperson
you would make a good living ,
you would have thought politicians would
step in there all weak !
peace and love
to all singers , musicians , and songwriters
like myself .
❤❤❤❤❤❤
The harsh truth from musicians that have been doing music for much of their lives RIP Chester
The full Zappa interview is priceless.
@@cblackburn81 I should watch it it's very insightful
He gave us some great music with Lincoln Park. He also shared the ugly truth behind the industry. Thank you Chester. Gone but not forgotten
@@ellev9374 Linkin
@@DSchea My bad. Llinkin not Lincoln
The executives aren’t pushing what they think the kids want they’re pushing what they want the kids to think
Spot on! ... its one massive brainwashing machine. UNLESS, you're listening to an independent Artist.
But even most of them "keep it clean" and toe the line. 😉
Musicians should get together and form a label that works to the artist's advantage and put the rest of the labels out of business.
That would be creating a monopoly. That would violate anti-trust laws.
@@UBeesh10 ok. Groups of musicians should get together to create several musician friendly distribution companies. The point is to revamp the music industry do that the artists own their own work.
lol...that STILL is a BAD IDEA. There are musicians who own a record label and still took their artists money & HAD THEM KILLED: TLC, Tupac, Biggie Smalls (Notorious BIG), Prince, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, DMX...the list goes on and on.
I can't remember the name of it but Dave Mathews is one of the founders of a record label that operates on the older model.
I think you mean similar to a union
RIP Chester. We all love and miss you!!!
To think I used to obsess about being in a band as a teenager . After I started to really analyze and listen to interviews like in this video from those who have made it , to also realize what bands go through traveling the road , the trainwreck livestyles and relationships . substance abuse etc which they unwittingly can end up in
That's pretty much the attraction of it. Sex drugs rock n roll lifestyle. It's fun when young. Pointless in your late 30s when your body can't handle it and the girls aren't there anymore. Getting laid by a new girl every weekend was fun. Being known in the city was really fun, especially since nobody else around 20 really had that. Travel was fun the first time, after that it was the worst part. It's hard to do emotionally because everyone you meet you never see again.
@Gottes God How many live shows have you done? What kind of crowd are you getting where you are really reaching people? I always played dumps to a small crowd of drunks who weren't listening anyways. For me the reward of the road was the free booze, dope, and sex. Otherwise I wouldn't be sleeping cramped up and revolving my entire day around when I can take a dump in a toilet with a stall door.
I always wanted to sing, but I'd have been a casually, I know myself too well.
And all the sycophantics... I couldn't stand that. I can't stand that, and im a nobody.. i don't see how that would be good..
seems so weird that musicians even feel like a record label is necessary today... do everything yourself. empower yourself and keep your power and keep your artistic freedom and grow your audience yourself. period. having a record label is like getting married. you don't need to a contract to be in love. skip that shit.
The 90s seemed like this pivotal point where artists said enough was enough. Prince, Michael Jackson, George Michael…
T Petty was ahead
After they were rich and successful.
@@corail53 go sue a Music label right now then
yes, and coincidentally all three died young, did they have help dying so young?
And they are all dead!....🤔🤨
“If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”
― Nikola Tesla
The industry promotes low vibrational music
I am lucky to play and sing Irish folk ballads which do not require a low end sound ( bass) to be authentic. I do occasional amplified gigs ( not many). I am amazed at the size of the loudspeakers required by rock bands who I occasionally meet up with. These guys require several kilowatts of audio power to drive enormous speakers where I can get by on 100 or 200 watts in even a large hall.
I am a solo act and can easily pack all my modest gear in the back of a car. The rockers require a full size van for the gear alone and some require a HGV to carry all their stuff and a day ahead to set it all up.
Not easy but great to listen to if I had the nerve and the skill to do it.
And satan is the principality of the AIRwaves. Our mind functions on airwaves. Most people dont know that satan majored in singing, music and poetry. Most people have not connected the dots. Its mindblowing.
@@amandafight7627 darn it, you got in first. 😄
I love how algorithms have recently started pushing vibrations and now everyone's an expert lol
yeah and internet also "promotes low vibrations" so please go
“The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.” - Hunter S Thompson
Sounds like life
One of Hunter S. Thompson’s most famous quotes isn’t - a quotation, that is.
The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There’s also a negative side.
It turns out that Mr Thompson wasn’t even describing the “music business.” His actual lines, first published in 1985 in the San Francisco Examiner and later in Generation of Swine: Tales of Shame and Degradation in the ’80s by Hunter S. Thompson (New York: Summit Books, 1988), follow:
The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason.
Which is more or less true. For the most part, they are dirty little animals with huge brains and no pulse.
"The business of a musician is music. The business of a professional musician is business." - Robert Fripp
Zappa's point and comment is fucking deep but unfortunately it will be misunderstood or glossed over: it explains everything shit about the world
Yeah 😔
My appreciation for Zappa is still ever evolving...he had so much more to share.
Absolutely
I was in a situation in the late 90s in which a terrible song writer had been contacted, after hearing my voice, by an investor to have her record a demo. She didn't tell me the A&R rep was after the voice and she also didn't tell him that she was writing background piano and lyrics that didn't go with the timing, and I was writing the melodies and rearranging the lyrics to be "singable," or that I was the daughter of a maestro who had been writing songs since the age of 5. After two weeks of writing all of her melodies and even writing a rhythm guitar part over the piano on one tune because it was so boring, I could smell the bulls***. I hated her music and this distinct feeling that I was being conned and decided to walk out of this multi-million dollar studio during the height of that cities booming music craze. That's when I found out I was being ripped off and not given credit for writing the most important part of the songs; the melody. And remember, the music sucked so writing melodies was a chore. I told the woman, who was now screaming and cussing at me because I was her ticket and she hid that from me, that she needed to get another "singer." I told her that she better not use my voice or my melodies or I'd sue her into a coma, and that all of the hired musicians were witnesses to who wrote the melodies. I think a lot of people would have done it anyway to get their foot in the door even though their sound and name would be tied to crappy music. But I was a rock musician, played piano, acoustic and electric guitar, mandolin, and could pretty much pick up any instrument and write a song with it in different genres. It felt great leaving that studio even though everyone said I was crazy. I watch this video and realize I did the right thing back then. I make music for the my own reasons and to me, my music is not a commodity. I do my own recording, production, and perform the entire thing, usually in a few hours, except for the drums. I don't play drums and give the drummer credit. I started a TH-cam and rumble channel and I stick my homemade stuff up there for free because I have something to say. Sure. I'm virtually unknown and have a tiny following, but I don't have anyone telling me what to do or saying they own my creations. Is it crazier to be the artist you were born to be, or to be some entities little b**** who dresses you, tells you what your image is, and tells you what kind of art you are going to make to fit a target market? I'd rather be a starving artist than a fat prostitute.
So good that in this internet era literally ANYONE can blow up and make money without any label. Or at least you can become famous and then get a deal on YOUR terms to get more money. But really, right now is the easiest time to blow up, not only in music but in anything. Back then you had to be REALLY talented to make it. If you complain today, you wouldn't have had a chance back in the day. Just work.
Fame is easy now, not necessarily rich though.
It's still controlled though. Who do you think controls youtube n all the streaming stuff? Same types of people and if you wana get on the right algorithms and really make big money you gotta get in bed with the same psychopaths. Prime example, K Rino. Considered a Legend ,by Legends ,never signed a single deal tho n his shit has like 10k views.... his videos never pop up, and he's never promoted anywhere at all. A true legend that Never sold out tho not even a Tiny bit. I think the biggest u can possibly get without working with any of the shitty ppl, is someone like Z Ro. 10-15k a show, he Is a millionaire but he had to grind his ass off for like 20 years. If u wana blow up, you pretty much have to work with the psychos who fuk u over...
@@culwin exactly. You can become "famous" and still be broke if u never sign up with the psychos in power
@@solarpanel8195 Bingo. The machine has got its fingers in a LOT of pies, including the furry and creamy variety. Look to the people that prefer to linger in the shadow of the nooks and crannies behind the scenes.
The fact that Billy Corgan is cited here is pretty telling.. he's discussed shapeshifting and the like with Joe Rogan. Babylon, Egypt, Phoenicia.. all still there, and Svali pointed out well there are plenty of Left Hand players who disavow religious belief.
The problem is everyone has their own price tag so they sell out and it keeps the record company's rich and powerful.
Music is connected to a higher aspect of humanity, whether dark or light. Musicians are vulnerable.
On the song "Spirit of Radio" Rush sums it up best
"One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity"
The irony of Billy Corgan exposing the inherent inequality of digital streaming services on the Joe Roegan podcast, which is now exclusively available to listen to through Spotify.
Unless you negotiate a deal you're happy with.
Jre is still free to listen to? And as if you wouldn't take that kind of money to simply move it to another platform. Everyone would make that deal in a heartbeat.
Calum, sounds like somebody jealous of Rogan and Corgan. I love me some Pumpkins man 😉
@@robjones8733 their alright I suppose. I would totally take that deal though
I thought the same thing. Excellent point.
I interned at a label & the stuff I learned backs up EVERYTHING on this video! Every upcoming artist should literally start their OWN label so They own the masters & control the publishing of their music 24/7! Have strong legal team too!
Most ppl can't afford that route so they take any route they can. It's a shame really that our society is so driven by money because that makes some ppl willing to do anything for money
@@solarpanel8195 or dependant for money to reach their dreamjob. its no different than going to school the fees ae huge. its sad that people still bring babies in to this cruel world
In part of that Billy Corgan interview, he talked about how the record label actually warned him about how him being the only songwriter was going to cause a big money difference between him & the other members.
He said they told him they’d seen it get bad to the point where bands broke up over the big difference in earnings, because of songwriting credits.
Billy Corgan thinks he's some sort of thought leader. In reality, he's a deeply twisted fuck. Most of what he says doesn't make sense beneath the surface.
Super talented, though.
they don't write the songs and don't sing on the records
The Go-Go's broke up because the guitar player got all the money with the singer. The others have to work in the food industry.
I never listen to the radio. I can't stand listening to the same song over and over and there really isn't anything good on air anyway. I've found talent beyond belief by visiting local venues. There is a lot of good.... Really good music/musicians out there. No matter what genre you like.
More musicians are going independent, Metallica included.
Sadly, K-pop artists are way too closely tied to the industry.
I dont listen to k pop music but I have heard so many stories of ill treatment and dirty politics going on behind the scenes
That's why K-pop is creepy trash. It's like a cult. That whole genre is basically all formulated by the industry, there is no talent there. They all have to sound and look a certain way. God I hate K-pop, the most manufactured genre imo.
Look at where they are from then you won’t have to wonder why, that’s straight up government indoctrination son
K PoP also has a high suicide rate.
K pop is literally garbage compared to everything out there
I knew Chester Bennington personally, and I can tell you that aside from being a tortured soul, he was very conflicted with how he felt about the people controlling his music. When I first met him at his house in Newport Beach, California, he had been working on some independent solo stuff that he had taken myself and my DJ partner into his Range Rover to listen to. Away from the house, and our phones that were left in it. He said we couldn't mention it to anyone because it would cause inevitable backlash. Then ten years later, he's dead. And I still can't believe it, but I can imagine why. I pray his son doesn't fall victim to the industry.
He didn’t kill himself his record label mafia did.
Is it true that CB was John Podeata's son?
Thank you for sharing this
The movie "Michael Clayton", although not about the music industry per se, is an excellent movie and gives a good 'overview' of how this kind of thing works. It's hands-down George Clooney's best work, imo.
@@debbiecurtis4021 yes. he and chris cornell were making a documentary about the sexual abuse, torture and murder of children in Hollywood and they were killed at about the same time.
Its like social media. Without us, they wouldn't exist but look how they treat us! And these bands work so hard! They overdeliver in concerts.
Anyone see Dave Lombardo video where he talks why he left? Slayer tour made $4 million. Tom/Kerry got around $250k, manager got $1.5 million! Dave after busting his ass on drums show after show got $60k. That's so messed up
The manager GOT or EARNED that money? Someone needs to set it all up and take the risk. Dave left Slayer for several years, so he is not cut the deal as he would if he stayed.
I m NOT disagreeing with you, but there's more sides to the story and investing.
@@CarnagiAngelo Those were his words, he also stated Tom took a side cut not to press charges or something like that. Don’t understand why a legendary band like Slayer even needs a manager
Drummers always get shafted for the simple reason you can copyright a melody (vocal or guitar) but you cannot copyright a percussive rhythm (drums). Check the liner notes of the pre-recorded music you own and see who gets the writing credits. Some bands give equal shares to all members if they have a prior agreement AS A BAND.
Slayer could literally play shows at somebody's farm in the middle of nowhere and people will show up.
@@SerpentStar_ Do You imagine Kerry King in a Cellphone 8A.M in a sunday cold brezze trying to convence somone to buy his band's show? NO
That's why they have a manneger
Find you someone who looks at you like everyone looks at Prince. Rest in peace 🕊️
Broads were fine too lol sheesh he could’ve had anything in that room
He was a musical genius and will be remembered 🕊️
Prince was intellectually well spoken... i never knew that. The way he explained this is very believable, and made sense.
Omg stop being shocked that black people are well spoken. It’s so annoying when white people say that
@@debravan1167 you assume a lot. It has nothing to do with race or color, and like you really know I'm white?... wth?
@@debravan1167 he didn't assume that at all. I hate when people like you race bait.
@@garyr7027 would u say the same about a white person? That u were shocked that he spoke well? Like really? How did u expect him to talk?
@@Chatchann actually yeah, wth? Wtf does race have to do with it? Omg, there's smart and dumb in every color. Good God you people, all you do is twist shit from a preconceived notion.
Zappa is on point. The "Hip, young" record exec mentality is essentially the Spotify algorithm. All Spotify does is suggest music that sounds like the music you already like. It's a complete shit show. No one doing anything remotely different or outside of the established algo genres has a chance to be heard. Unfortunately, the kids coming up on this stuff are becoming programmed robots. Nothing outside of the suggested, homogenized clown music will sound right. Who would have thought that the cigar chomping, out of touch executives were what kept the music fresh and innovative. These are dark times for music.
most people blindly believe what the TV set or the government and so-called education ie Marxist indoctrinations tells them to believe. So whatever they're told to like in terms of music is what people are going to like
It's really boring. My Spotify recommends the same 5 or 6 albums that were released around the same date in the 90s. Like I just want to listen to some metal while lifting and now I'm having to do the work.
I had that feeling til up recently. That algorithm has to struggle a lot on achieve my taste in music (wich of course is hard already), it finally did and found a lot really Nice music on my daily random playlist. Now i can see the optimistic side on this by hearing people we admire and knows it better that us. The sense of adventure by searching and hearing interesting stuff from the underground is still there yet. If your'e interested in making a decent life out of it though, it is a view that might can change by the pass of time even if you are astonighing good at it. This might be for the better, i dont really know. Forgive my english please.
That's why you research different music genres when you feel like It. I like to predominately 70s music but when I feel like going back to my roots and listening to some NIN then spotify suggests 90s industrial and the like that correlate with my music taste in that given moment of time.
I don't really understand how it's a shit show. . . Maybe you are just sick and tired of the genre you've been listening to which means you need to expand your mind.
When Frank got sick,he told his wife to sell all his gear and get out of the music business because it's garbage. As evil and malignant as the fk'ng cancer that robbed us of his genius IMO. RIP FZ. You are sorely missed!
Frank zappa.......crazy intelligent and well spoken regarding the industry...
Listening to Zappa is a plethora of I told you so's.
He almost said cigar chomping Jews, but then he let the accent tell that tale...
I liked his video the most, because it's on point: open-mindedness is the key to success. Instead of thinking you know, find out for real. The result(s) may surprise you...🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Agreed. He is another counter culture icon who just happened to come from a high ranking military/CIA background. Check out Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon and Mark Devlin’s Musical Truth.
The music industry was one of the first major industries to be subverted. Now it’s virtually every industry, corporation, and government agency. Shits scary at this point
Pink Floyd called all of this decades ago. "Welcome to the Machine" and "Have a Cigar." Just perfect lol
Pink floyd is a good example of a band that has kept getting jerked around by the music industry. 2 songs that describe it perfectly are Welcome to the machine and Have a Cigar.
There's been a massive hole in our world since we lost Zappa in 93. He was amazing.
Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes of TLC did a great job of explaining this before she died.
It’s funny how everyone that came out and exposed them “tragically” dies
Orbt I recall when Lisa was speaking on this.
@@terryonmcdaniel5033 its no coincidence,the owners of the companies are watching every interview they do and if they say the wrong thing they are most likely done or phased out....
Rip Frank Zappa you weren't afraid to tell it exactly how it is, godspeed.
Godspeed indeed
@Jason Thompson no we don't? What do those old turds know about music back then? WE know what we want to promote or push as fans and musicians of these genres.
@Jason Thompson and we also need the upbeat big booming voices back announcing the radio stations and contests. Also the funny morning shows and the request Rush hour shows.
@@Sodoffshotgun Preach.
Zappa for President, 2024
And yes, I know he's been dead for decades.
I’m always scared of musicians talking about this and then suddenly “hanging themselves from a door knob”
I knew a guy who had been an agent in the music industry back in the 70s and 80s. He said that any big time label will invariably find a struggling but promising band and then try to push a contract on them that amounts to indentured servitude.
They want to be able to financially benefit and say there were the ones to showcase them while the artists suffer
I didn’t take any of this video as a warning to “fans” at all. It was more of exposing the industry to other artists to take heed of what you are getting yourself in to. Fans don’t care what artists get paid or the lucrative business behind it, they just love the music.
I worked with a band named Cuttlass in the early 90’s, they won Circus magazine’s contest for the best unsigned band in the country. One of the prizes was a record deal with Caroline records, one of Chicago’s top independent labels. At the time, The Smashing Pumpkins were on that label. The deal Caroline offered involved Caroline owning all of the current and future publishing rights to all of the songs. Cuttlass turned that offer down and no one would touch them after that. I’ve always wondered if Billy Corgan was offered and took that same deal, and if the owner of Caroline still owns the Pumpkin’s songs, or if after making enough money touring Corgan got a lawyer and got his songs back. PS. You can find some Cuttlass songs on Reverb Nation if you wanna hear how good they were. I suggest “Gift of nature” and “Out in the cold” for starters.
The thing you see in musicians and hearing them talk is how smart they are. I suppose you have to be to master instruments and write melodies and meaningful lyrics and etc. Same with Comedians.
It's one type there's many types but yh
Dexter Holland from the offspring has a PhD
We are all smart, if you have culture, you are smart.
@@deepinblack1940
I think they meant intelligent
Some acts are very successful though their lyrics are dull (Nicki Minaj, for example). It seems that well-worded, meaningful lyrics are most common in metal and folk. Artificial intelligence can create backing tracks for people who can't play any instrument.
These were the facts that musicians really telling the truth about their music industries, which is a fu**** worst task for their music career, and their albums that they make. Good thing they warned the fans about their music industries.
This shit is why I wanna get my LLC, build my own label, and change the music industry. I'm so sick and tired of labels taking advantage of artists. I want my label to have no contracts, the artist owns the master, cheaper production for a higher value, deals where the first song is free, I want artists to be able to be themselves and not have to worry about all this fuckin red tape blocking their way to freedom and success. I want more artists to come out of the woodwork and come up with crazy ass ideas.
You'll need to have contracts which protect both yourself and the artist
@@user-sh2rc5kc7x so then single page legal documents like a split letter with an indemnification clause? Of course you need to protect yourselves. But those ain't the contracts I'm talking about. I'm talking anything other than legal protection and fair monetary dispersion. Because I don't want to force my artists to go through depressing shit that makes them Spiral down the hole of drugs and sex that so many other musicians have gone down. It destroys their careers and makes the labels the most money. I want my artists to just be the best they can be.
That Frank Zappa segment really lines up with how music and even tv/movies were back in the day. You can see a certain level of "let's throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" with albums, movies, and shows back in the day. Even though Zappa was condemning how things had gotten more rigid in the era he was giving the interview (not sure if that was the mid to late '80s or early '90s) even those eras had some level of experimentation with the labels compared to nowadays. The '80s and '90s just had less experimentation than the '60s and '70s. They were the last eras to not be overly controlled. I say that because even those eras weren't as playing it safe as the current era is. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 was the beginning of the end of any real creativity in the mainstream.
"Even FEDEX doesn't claim that they own the thing that they shipped." -- That statement got Prince killed by the music mafia.
I also believe Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington were murdered.
This is a sublayer of existence. They're okay now. All this is inconsequential to the outer layer, except that the outer layer can watch what happens in this simulation/dream and see who the true creators/contributors are and who the parasites/pricks are.
@@BlackHatCinephile Very well said.
@@gina1426 And Stone Temple Pilots guy was abducted by aliens
🤣🤣🤣
Frank Zappa is the only one that really hit it on the head as to why we have the junk we do now, nothing stands out, nobody takes chances anymore on something different and new.
“Music is the devils’ business” was not said for nothing.
These idiots all sold their souls to be famous musicians anyway... they deserve what they get.
5:04 "Even FedEx doesn't own the thing that they ship"
RIP, Chester! And Zappa! And Prince!!!
RIP Beethoven as well!
I'm really sorry to hear this. I hope you all know me and others definatelly support you all and would make sure something like this doesn't happen again.
I now not only understand why prince stopped letting his music on Spotify and respect him for it so much more.
Edit: while I’m writing it prince came on haha
Did no one learn from TLC? They are the perfect example of how you get screwed over. I still remember when people got pissed that Taylor Swift went after the streaming services.
People want to think that they are supporting the artists by paying a $5 - 10 subscription and listening to whatever they want, kinda like how second hand disks are no better then torrents for the artist, you might have a "legal" copy but you did nothing for the artist
@@jasonmullinder to a point second hand sales can still help an artist. If a person likes what they head on that album, they will most likely buy other albums and merch. If they like the band enough they might buy the next new album as a new product, not second hand
@@patrickschardt7724 it's true but the same could also be said for piracy, human nature is to look for ways to justify things instead of find ways to do better
@@jasonmullinder sad innit
Makes you realise its a Beast system, parasitically feeding off human creativity and energy.
Zappa hit it right on the head. Living in a city with 8 million people and we don’t even have a “Rock/Metal” station. We do however have 3 rap/pop stations. You can find 80’s hair bands though! It’s very controlled and limiting the art.
KLOS and KROQ play rock on Los Angeles radio. Even today. Maybe not your kind of rock but you obviously don't know Metal Marci @ KLOS in the afternoons.
@@edwardlagrossa1246 i’d love to have a station like KROQ where I am. Closest station to me that even comes close to KROQ is WJRR but i’m out of their tower radius. Thankfully iHeart Radio exists to make up for it. Sirius is just garbage and doesn’t have much to offer.
we just lost our last rock station few years ago here in boston after 50 years on the air..they always had new up and coming bands on ...its now a christian station..people were pissed..
Waaf. That was a hard loss
@@workingshlub8861 wow, that is harsh to have a drastic change like that. One end of the spectrum to the other. Society is literally being channeled into what the ruling class want us to listen to. They crush any station with open minded content that doesn’t move with the mainstream now. They have taken control of television and force feed their programming on the masses and now they look to crush the last hold out of open minded media to turn it into another tool to squeeze people out from having a variety and choice of what they want to listen to.
"Everything You Should Know About The Recording Industry" by the genius Kashif is a must read for people in the business
I love the small/medium record labels that are not involved in top 40 territory. They put out better music than what corporate wants us to hear. Same applies to independents doing their thing. Big up!
I actually saw the thumbnail of this video in my recommended list by watching some commentary videos on Britney Spears' current conservatorship situation. I know that Loudwire is obviously a rock/metal channel, but the genre doesn't matter in the case of how the industry treats their artists and how far some people would go in order to milk these artists for money. Regardless of what you think about pop music and Britney, I think all artists should stand together and fight the corruption. Britney was declared free from the conservatorship, and that makes me happy, cause this can raise awareness of the whole industry money machine. Unfortunately we have lost many great artists that were unique and spoke the truth, like Prince and Chester, but there are still recording artists like Britney, who are still here and standing strong, and might just get rid of the corruption, hopefully. There are so many people behind the scenes that we're not even aware of who hold the strings. In my opinion, the fight is not between the genres, it's a fight against corruption and a fight for artist and overal human rights.
Idk what artists compared to record labels and the entertainment industry as a whole make but musicians that make it are such strong influencers, seem to be rich, have a huge platform, and power at that using their words. I think the industry tries to control rebellions artists can cause by controlling finances and connections. A lot of artists deal with “delusion” or in spiritual context “channel spirits” and why entertainment is so spiritual and magical at the same time. A lot of times tho when artist start to struggle it becomes an attack towards Jews and money and not about music ain’t gonna lie. I don’t blame people who make these assumptions or seek demands to gain control but their ideas sometimes just isn’t correct so got to be careful what you’re saying out there cuz an artists voice speaks volumes. A musician who says there words mean nothing and what they wrote “shouldn’t be taken serious” is really full of crap and not their true intentions. They want to change the world. We relate to music because it is a SHARED experience and can control our moods. The entertainment industry is always pushing boundaries, but some artist want to go way faster than some can handle.
Billy Corgan: Gives excellent commentary on the music industry.
Joe Rogan: But have you ever done DMT?
Billy actually implied he once saw a shapeshifter at the end of the podcast 🤣
I’m so sick of reading this tired ass joke
@@HowieDuwett I know right lol...but have you tried dmt?
@@Christopher-md7tf could have been a flashback. Corgan did a lot of psychedelics himself back in the day
@@Christopher-md7tf Yea, I wanted to know MORE! LOL
Al Jourgensen's explanation is straight to the point
I took a masters class from Herbie Hancock, in the class Herbie explains how he was given advice about signing his first record deal... Bless his heart! Herbie just naively explains that all he needed to do was ask to keep his publishing... and they just simply gave it to him!. Herbie is obviously a brilliant musician and his hit "Watermelon Man" obviously helped his case, but it's laughable to think that someone could do that now... The way it works now, is that you, the artist, take whatever they give you for your first deal, and this becomes "boilerplate" and a president for screwing you for the rest of your career.
Thanks for the likes friends! I will always speak the truth about my career in Video Games! Basically - If you want a career in music you NEED to Work hard... ;} The rewards are amazing though... standing in - front of a symphoy orchestra, or sharing guitar tracks across the internet are both awesome to make your living... The internet makes it easier, but the pennies you collect get less ;{} -< (I
This is why a lot of this amazing musicians end up producing and helping indie bands in their studios
To ALL the musicians thank you so much for the enjoyment you bring
Who can live without it, I ask in all honesty?
Your welcome
Being loved and adored is the GREATEST drug…People don’t want to lose it. They will do anything to get back “IN.”
I've seen a lot of stories about bands revealing how vile the music business is, especially how they not only milk the cow dry they kill it for its meat. Shirley Manson gave a very revealing interview about the new 360º contracts young bands have to sign which basically condemn them to servitude. The only people not being paid properly in the biz are the actual creators. It seems everyone and his dad gets a cut before they do.
Now, for Shirley and the rest, good on you for revealing the truth about why bands (like the Small Faces and Jimi Hendrix) can make such a lot of money and end up penniless, but isn't it time the successful bands did something to break the cycle, like supporting up-and-coming musicians from their wealth?
Sounds like it's time for a strike!
Look what happens to Presley rock and roll and did he rip off
Being a musician is often glorified, but the truth is, it's not really financially sustainable and it's only fun when you're on stage, which is a small percent of the time.
I used to play at local bars 4 nights a week with a band as the bass player and singer (in certain songs.)
It started off with just me playing bass with them as a guest on open mic nights and then eventually becoming their permanent bass player as theirs moved out of state.
While it seemed great getting paid to play music for people, it wasn't financially sustainable especially since I have two kids, so continued working my full-time job.
Our lead singer/guitarist played for two bands, 6 nights a week. He was nearly 50, with over 20 years of experience, yet he made barely enough to live comfortably.
It all came to an abrupt end, though, when the pandemic forced everyone to quarantine. Bars closed down, making us go on indefinite hiatus. When I was in my early 20s, I had always wanted to make music my career, but now that I'm older with kids and have more responsibilities, I wouldn't want to resent the one thing I love doing on the little free time I have by making it my job. When bars opened back up, I had decided not to rejoin the band and quietly faded from that whole scene. Even though I was playing with them as an official band member for about only 6 months, I had gotten fatigued and started losing interest and motivation. Playing the same songs, constantly drinking, not having time for other interests, no social life. I just couldn't see myself doing this for another 20 years.
I now just play and create music for myself and at times collab with others and simply share it with people on TH-cam or social media. I can now play whatever I want, whenever I want to and I'm not obligated to do it.
🕊️R.I.P to Chester and Chris🕊️
chester! oh god, my heart! wherever you are man, I hope you are smiling.
It's sad that the music industry is so scummy, just think of all the great music we missed and are missing because they don't have the right formula and can't navigate the minefield
As a amateur musician, with projects undergoing, and being a 25 yrs old guy, who lived 2/3 of its life in the tech and information world, I think it's crazy to even think about signing to a record label. Labels will be dead in a few years, mark my words
I pray that happens and artists get at least a friggin penny per stream. All that ad money and subscription fee money for nothing smh.
*"Thanks, Napster!"*
- That guy from Metallica
And then the other guy *FOCKING LEFT THE BAND ! ! HE FOCKING LEFT THE BAND ! !*
@@Thomas_Gunawan It's been almost 2 decades and that quote is still as unfunny as it was back then.
Just as unoriginal too.
Fuck Lars
I have never liked lars since that fiasco.
@@douglassnodgrass7002 And yet, he was right.
Prince is such a smart dude. When he was a teen he rejected big contracts because he wanted full artistic control. Turned huge labels down.
Can you imagine that? Being a teenager in meetings fighting for what you believe in and your vision?!
Genius
I will never forget an interview I was listening to of a person from a certain band that was popular back in the 60's (not gonna mention names). It was a lighthearted interview and the girl asked the guy "Do you have any advice for up and coming musicians these days?" And his deadpan response was "Yeah, get a good lawyer."
Great that Zappa was included. He is the GOAT when it comes to the music biz.
In science is pretty much similar. As a scientist you make an article, you invest your time and energy into it, but in order to publish your work in a scientific journal you have to give to the publishing house the rights over your article. Then they publish, sell the issues of the journal and earn money based on your work, and you as a scientist don't get any money from your work being published. You only maintain your scientific position based on how many articles you manage to publish. There are even journals that require that the author (I guess ususally his institution) pay around 1000 euros in order to publish, so you do all the job and instead of them paying you for your work, they charge you and then earn more money from selling the copies of the journal. It is said how this works, and now that I saw this video I see that it's like the same thing, it's how the system works in various areas of life. With the time it is getting always more difficult to get your work published, exactly as several musicians in this video said for music.
I have heard people saying, usually, music marketers that it's so much easier for musicians to make a career for themselves and don't need a label to do so. The truth is, and going to something that Billy Corgan said that the record companies made deals with the streaming companies so that it's damn near impossible to get heard or get on any playlists, and even if you do, you don't see a penny. The whole thing is rigged from the top down. I tried a for a few years to embrace the changing model of the ''new industry''. If you don't have a lot of money to throw at it, then don't bother. Enjoy your art as I still do and go out and play for people.