Fmr. Director of the Shin Bet, Ami Ayalon. Israeli security and intelligence, Palestine and the 7.10
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- Ami Ayalon is an Israeli politician and the former director of the Shin Bet - Israel's secret service, and commander-in-chief of the Navy. He's also former member of the Knesset for the Labor Party. He is one of the recipients of Israel's highest decoration, the Medal of Valor.
Ami var her i Norge etter invitasjon fra Fellesinnsamlingen for Israel.
Chapters:
00:00 What is the Shin Bet
04:30 Was the 7th of October an intelligence failure?
12:15 Hamas is an ideology - they don’t accept two states
17:40 80% of Palestinians believe that Hamas are the liberators
20:22 Israel will be different after the 7th of October.
23:00 Iran - were they behind the massacre?
26:00 Relations between the proxies
31:00 Any connection to the Yom Kippur War?
42:22 No intention to kill civilians in the IDF
43:22 How much of the worlds reaction to Israel is antisemitism?
45:00 Hamas
52:00 The day after vs. the day before
57:00 We need to create hope for palestinians
01:00:00 Who should be in control of Gaza?
01:05:00 Everyone agreed to destroy ISIS. Why doesn’t people agree to destroy Hamas?
01:11:20 Is the brutality of Hamas a military strategy?
01:14:00 Denial of the actions on October 7th is how muslims keep supporting Hamas
01:20:00 Do people in Gaza support Hamas, and their actions on the 7th of October?
01:28:43 The Israeli hostages
01:33:40 Viewer questions: The conspiracy theory that Israel let Hamas do what they did.
01:35:48 Whats is your dream for Israel and Palestina going forward?
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if Arafat accepted two states why did he walk away from every peace agreement? Not a single Palestinian leader ever accepted the legitimacy of Israel. It’s not clear that esteemed Amy Ayalon still understands the Palestinians. He does understand Hamas, but not the rest of them
Treaty of Hudaibiyah. PLO Fatah just have a two phase plan.
Reality, the unpalatable truth is there isn't lasting peace with the adherents of religion of Islam. Its codified in their Sharia
You talk massive bullshit considering Mossad created Hamas to create division within Palestine 😂
the guy looks EXACTLY how I imagine a former Shin Bet commander to look like. Very smart guy, great interview!
Very nice of you. He is 78 year old. He actually came from the Navy. Didn't make his carrier in the Shin Bet. He was the head of Shayetet 13. The Israeli Navy Seals and IDF Navy main general. He is very left wing. Very honest and dissent human being. Strong advocate for the 2 state solution. Like most Shin Bet heads.
@@drorcohen9755 Are Israel's intelligence agencies and army high ranking officials left wing. Thats what Bibi suggests
I now know Amy Ayalon and his vision of the conflict and the future thanks to this podcast. The man knows what he is talking about having been a director of Shin Bet. His vision of the future two state solution, where PA together with Arab countries who recognise Israel, rebuilt and normalise the Palestinian state is credible and worth negotiating. It’s the best solution proposed so far.
If there's a sovereign Palestine and the exiled 6 million people come home, how do you propose finding enough space for all Palestinians, without Israel giving up land?
Exiled? @@charisma-hornum-fries
Not necessarily so. He is a warrior and an Israeli patriot, no doubt about it. Whether he has a scientific and intellectual background to comprehend this problem in its depth, is a big question.
Why do I say so?
1. As a tool of resolution of this conflict he offers the two-state solution. That is despite the fact that Palestinians NEVER wanted to have a state of their own. They never had, never strived and never tried to create one, despite multiple opportunities and extremely lucrative offers. Worse, when pushed by external forces to create some proto-state, they ended up with a bastard PA and a monster Hamas.
The two-state solution is an idea invented by the looney Western intellectuals who know nothing about ME, don’t know it and don’t understand this is a completely different civilization working on different principles.
They don’t even understand such a very simple thing that Palestinian society has not reached yet the degree of maturity to espouse its own nation-state dream. It is a very primitive, underdeveloped society stuck in 14th century. This is exactly why they don’t need the state and did everything to escape being bogged down in this outlandish Western concept.
2. The idea of two states living side by side peacefully like a wolf and a lamb, does not take into consideration Israel’s security. With introduction of that state, Israel will be 12 km wide in its narrowest spot. Which is nothing for modern artillery. That means signing away your own sovereignty allowing your potential enemy to decide when and how to strike by dissecting you on two halves. And with this major vulnerability strike they will, as they will not be able to resist temptation.
You don’t know anything. He’s complicit in the massacre of Oct 7.
@@michelles5439 How is an Israeli complicit?
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So midway through, is he just saying it is a holy war, and that is the real justification?
Takk for flott intervju. Gud velsigne dere. ❤❤❤. Og Gud velsigne Idf, Bibi ❤❤❤. Vi er mange i Norge som står med dere Israel ❤❤❤.
Vedrørende Bibi har jeg et skrikende behov for å få noen andre synspunkter på ham enn de NRK/the Interceipt og the Guardian kommer med. Broren hans var en helt som fikk gisler fri fra flykaprere...
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Important interview! It clarifies a lot about the conflict, its diplomacy and dynamics between the terrorist groups.
All the best to Israel from Bulgaria
That was just great to listen. Thank you for an enlightening interview.
Jeg tar av meg hatten🎩! Takk og et stort Takk!! For denne intervju med en legende innom Israels etterretning. Ytterst interessant...
Thank you so much for sharing ... God bless Israel all his people , IDF , air force , navy and special forces ... Free all our hostages ... May 17 2024 shabbat shalom ❤️❤️❤️
A good interview, but I missed the spiritual aspect which is basically the most important. That is the core of the problem, not to say the problems we struggle with here on earth, but on different levels of course.
We read about what will happen next in Israel and with Israel in several places in the book of books, the Bible. I am referring to the Prophet Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39. But we find this important theme in several places in both the OT and NT.
Et bra intervju dette her, men jeg savnet det åndelige aspektet som i grunnen er det viktigste. Det er jo kjernen til problemet, for ikke å si problemene vi strever med her på jorden, men på ulike nivåer så klart.
Hva som skal skje videre i Israel og med Israel leser vi om flere steder i bøkenes bok Bibelen. Jeg henviser til Profeten Esekiel kapittel 38 og 39. Men dette viktige temaet finer vi flere steder både i GT og NT.
Good conversation
Tusen takk for flott intervju - naa laerte jeg mye. Med hans bakgrunn veier argumentene hans sterkt.
Takk for disse lærerike intervjuene! Jeg støtter Israel mest i denne konflikten/krigen, selv om slekta blir veldig sint på meg hvis jeg sier det høyt :)
This Man is a sea of knowledge!
Incredible interview. I wish that Ami Amylon is the prime minister of Israel. Amazing career, amazing spokesman for Israel, and a vision for the middle east where both sides have a future.
The problem didn't start in 1967, 1947 or 1929. It started in Medina.
So you take out Hamas, are you going to create a 2 state solution with PIJ? another jihadi faction 🤷♂️
Unfortunately it’s the old left wing guard that lead to Oct 7.
True
Sorry, how is that the case? The man just spent over one and a half hour explaining how the israeli right-wing promoted Hamas in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority and frustrate all prospects of peace.
The Israeli right wing is quite muted. Deep state is speaking here
@rp1049 He is not telling the truth about Palestinians wanting two state solutions. Even after Israel pulled out from Gaza in 2005, Palestinians in Gaza didn't take the opportunity to build a free, peace loving society. Half of them voted for Hamas in 2006. Ayalon was one of those in favor of Israel pulling out from Gaza. It was a disastrous move in hindsight. Especially when you consider that palestinians are not in favor of living side by side with Israel.
lol. because the left is in power? how delusional can you be? The right wing in is power for 20 years. Netanyahu the longest running PM. Ultra right wing government. And you gonna say "the left" ? Man you are a loser. And not the sharpest pencil in the box.
Oslo Accords is the fundamental negativ experience on fail of visions on each sides. Trying again to extend the past or to design and exert a different mind on both sides.
Very interesting indeed. So he is clearly hopeful that this could be achieved after all, and with the PA… hmm. So what is blocking that route would partly be pride and lack of strong motivation on the part of… well Bibi basically 🤔…
Love this guy! 🇮🇱❤️
TY for this interview..ty mr.Ayalon👍for explaining the Israeli-Palestine situation and telling the truth,what happend etc..much appriciated..wish you the best,take care 👍
Great insights Mr Ayalon
Bravo mr.Ayalon
If you want to understand ☪️ study Sharia. Best channel on YT for this is Lloyd de Jongh. Islamic warfare, legal lying.
Oct 7th was a ghazwa, people they took back are ghanima.
Ami keeps saying people dont understand, well.... dont trust but verify & you CAN do that and JUDGE by listening to MartyrMade podcast's series (fear and loathing in the new jerusalem), a masterpiece of everything you need to know .... I listened to it 3 times and I was shocked of what I didnt know!
Henrik seems to have a lot of negative preconceptions of the Palestinians. Ami, to his credit, is far more informed and nuanced.
Dont get me wrong im 100% for Israel and love Israel..but current gov,or at least parts of current gov is taking bad decisions,bad for Israel and Israels future..
I think Ami Ayalon himself doesn't understand the relationship between Hamas and the Palestinians. In fact, he made the same error as Western media and politicians, considering Hamas as a foreign intruder in Palestinian society. At the same time, the reality is Hamas is a part of that society! All members of Hamas have their families in Gaza, they're their own people! Saying Hamas is using people in Gaza as human shields means that they're using their own brothers, sisters, parents, cousins, and friends as human shields. Sorry, but I can't believe this...
FREE PALESTINE PEOPLE AND LAND FROM RIVER TO THE SEA
Doesn't matter if the area is promised or that is where the nation of Israel has been created! The issue is that ppl were already living there and Israel treated them like any other settler colonial project treated the indigenous ppl. "Land without people and people without land" remember? It wasn't without people! That is the issue!
FREE WESTERN LEADER ARAB LEADER MUSLIM LEADERS AND WORLD FROM ZIONEST
Dawa is deception. You should know that.
AMI AYALON IS COMPLICIT IN OCT 7 MASSACRE!!!
Islam is problem not hamas. Because root is in religion. Hamas is just a branch
Sleeping
Exactly what illiterate people do
@@cmarais-ks3kd I remember the secret police of SA how literate they were with their safari suits and thin mustache,s beating up people with no passes , I remember the literate members of John Voster square throwing political prisoners out the 10th floor . A more illiterate people I have never met until now with the same crimes being committed my the illiterate jew who will pay the same price as your tribe did .
@@cmarais-ks3kd I remember the literate levels of the South African police hunting down people for pass offenses, I remember the literate level of the SAP during the days of apartheid, I give you a guess as to what their ethnicity was I give you a hint Boer .
It is a bit hard to believe there is no genocidal intent - maybe the IDF commanders think so, but the politicians in Israel made it clear what their intentions are and have imposed famine on the Gazan population. Ayalon needs to address this explicitly if he wants to be taken seriously.
Yet to hear a more delusional podcast than this.
This man is genuine and honest, which is nice, but I dont think he has really put the big picture together. He insinuates that Israel has done some things wrong, but the foundations of his defence rests on biblical justifications, and if you don't accept that aspect his entire perspective crumbles.
Exactly.
Primitive 😂
According to your nickname you are very advanced, right
@@EmergingEcho advanced enough not to kill women and children.
@@ehsanaali2798 only rape and beheadings?
are your parents related?
@@ehsanaali2798really..what was done on the 7th?
Swap the words hamas with Israel for most of this video and see how well it fits....
That fits well in many interviews. It seems like every accusation is an admission.
This man has perception and perspective. You guys have only perception and projection. Very typical prejudice Anti-Israel stand-point
And vice versa. Look at the pro-Palestine accusations against Israel and you will know exactly what they did, do and intend to do to Israelis : genocidal attempts in 1948, genocide on Oct 7, apartheid in Areas A under the PLO regime, ethnic cleansing of 20 Jewish communities on Oct 7 2023, 1948 and 1929 as a matter of fact.
@@RaphaelKaufmann the big picture is Europeans traveling to new lands and dominating/disappearing indigenous populations. Exactly like they did in the Americas, Africa, Asia/Pacific. 35 of the 37 signers of the Israel declaration of Independence were Ashkenazi. Yes, there were some small indigenous Jewish populations in Palestine, but that is very different from a "Jewish state", and they were seen as lesser than Europeans and in need of assimilation training.
@Adamroable stop your antisemitic BS. Ashkenazi, sephardi and other jews are all related by DNA. They all go back to Israel. They are all indigenous.
This is a person who has learned nothing in the last 28 years.
🇵🇸🇵🇸From the river to the sea 🇵🇸🇵🇸
Israel 🇮🇱 💪👍