I really love the theory that Jayfeather is Rock. I think the detail about Rock being the first Stoneteller in his timeline really sells the theory for me.
With the stoneteller thing the history is that multiple tribes existed before the tribe of rushing water and eventually they came to the lake before returning to the mountains and Rock was Stoneteller when there were multiple tribes
Wait a minute wait a minute wait a fucking minute- JAKE WAS ONLY CONFIRMED TO BE FIRESTAR'S DAD IN *TALLSTAR'S REVENGE*???? I remember that book coming out and "knowing" that Jake was Firestar's dad... WHAT???
My guess is that is when the books confirmed it. But the Wiki and so much of the fandom had "confirmed it" if that makes sense. If I remember correctly, the Su Susann debacle took place after Tallstar's Revenge by several years. And it wasn't until then that the Wiki did a full revamp after facing heavy criticism. (In the past they just put down every piece of possible information, no questions asked. Including Patchpelt and Willowpelt being the parents of Graystripe despite being siblings.)
***Hold up!*** Something ain't right. I never read Tallstar's Revenge and I knew that! Something doesn't add up. I recall that information being revealed in Bluestar's Prophecy. It's been a long time since I've read it, so forgive me if I'm wrong. But I swear that's where I learned it.
So it’s too sad to kill of a pregnant cat, but it’s not too sad to kill off a helpless, blind, kitten as his mother and whole clan watched helplessly? Interesting
Honeyfern being pregnant when she died was too sad? THEN WHAT THE HELL WAS “THE DEATH OF BRIGHT STREAM”? We didn’t need to hear bright streams last thoughts in its own little short story that scene already broke my heart enough
@@Ravens-Callyep, it’s not to hard to find but adds nothing but her pov to the plot so if you don’t want to read a pregnant cat dying then your not missing anything but sadness
For a sec, when you talked about family trees, I thought you were gonna talk about the whitestorm being ashfurs Father situation. Also I could not stop laughing at that minecraft reference
12:26 Squirrelflight would get 8 lives from Star clan as Bramlestar is still alive,its exactly like what happened to Sunstar(sunsfall)when Pinestar left the clan to live with two-legs,sometime in the Bluestars prophesy it's mentioned that he never received his ninenth life because of that
Bluestar's Prophecy says that Pinestar had one remaining life as the leader of ThunderClan, as if one "regular life" is not the same as one "leader life". Pinestar left without going to the Moonstone to give his last "leader life" back (and changing it to a "regular life"), or make his retirement official to StarClan, so I think that's the reason Sunstar was given 8 lives. Bramblestar however, did give back his "leader lives", so I believe Squirrelstar was given 9 lives
Another thing about Squils's one white paw is that it could not just be a nod to Firestar and Scourge being brothers, but also to Mistyfoot since Bluestar was kind of like a mother figure to Fireheart
great video, fun to hear about all these! so nostalgic :) i remember being really into the theory of Pinestar being Jake (that just being his kittypet name), and then for Firestar, Scourge and Tigerstar to be half brothers. I was like, completely mindblown when I found out hahah!
A theory I’ve seen floating around is that Splashtail is in someway related to HawkFrost whether it be him being his grandfather or father or even reincarnation i think it’s interesting sense they’re very similar.
11:54 Oh my god I LOVE Su Susann's missing kits theories, I wish they were talked about more! I love her theories and how they were added to the Theories/Retcon section of some cats pages on the Fandom website!
I'm so happy everytime you post! Seeing videos like this for warriors makes my day. I remember a lot of these from those old "warriors cat fact videos" a video on those alone might be interesting! :) or a part 2 would be great, there's so many crazy theories
3:25 : this theory was already disproven by one of Snowtuft’s first appearances. We saw the very moment he was given that scar by either Hawkfrost or Shredtail off “screen”
I do think that Squilf got her nine lives, as in the Mothflight book she saw the cat that we know to be Firestar give a life to a cat that looked similar to him. I read her super edition back in 2021, so I've always known that she would be leader, as Moth flight saw in visions known events, such as Bluestar reviving after the rat attack in the very first book, and Firestar getting his nine lives. Firestar giving nine lives to a cat that wasn't described like Bramblestar was the only one that didn't already happen
About Bramblestar's possession. There was a theory spread out in russian warriors community, due to one famous chanel making a video of Goosefeather taking Thunder Clan's leader body. And back then it made so much sense for me. Blue eyes, problems with understanding new camp, heavy name mistakes and the most important special powers that brought him there in the first place. Like it's a revenge on Star Clan itself. But yeeeah, the Ashfur was to obvious and at the same time to stupid to be...
at 5:32 it says that bristlefrost is a reincarnation of firestar, but it cant be since when cinderheart was born, leafpaw couldnt see cinderpelt in starclan, but if bristlefrost is his reincarnation firestar couldnt have been in starclan to posses rootspringc
*SPOILERS FOR PO3* that "rock is jayfeather" in an alternate timeline, where rock became the first stoneteller in his own timeline, because he stayed with half moon as jay's wing, BLEW MY MIND. that's SUCH a good theory, kudos for the person who came up with it, because it COMPLETELY makes sense, and i'm sold. the idea of rock barring jay from staying with half moon, because he knows what happens, and lived through him becoming stoneteller... but at the risk of all the clans in the far future (since jay, being a chosen starclan cat with powers, would mean the clans don't have one of the chosen cats to help fight the dark forest and make the prophecy come true) is SO GOOD. it means the dark forest likely won in rock's timeline had he (then jay in an alternate timeline) left the clans, prophecy, and became the first stoneteller. that means rock HAD to stop jay from seeing half moon, or else, hypothetically, the dark forest would WIN the last battle and completely destroy the clans without him. that's such a good take. i'm re-reading omen of the stars right now with intent to catch up (never started any books past bramblestar's storm timeline wise) and the rock is jay theory has changed my view entirely on the plot of po3 and oots. that's so cool. i hope the erins catch wind of the theory and confirm it (even if it wasn't planned while writing) but it just fits so perfectly, and really ties up the two arcs into a neat bow. plus, rock disappearing after the great battle. it's like he can pass peacefully and disappear knowing he made amends, like he received closure. so good
Seeing comments from Scratch at 3:14 and 5:02 jumpscared me so hard omg. People rarely acknowledge how huge the Warrior Cats fandom is on this kids coding site, with many multi-chapter webcomic style fanfics being released in there, and this is the first time I've seen it outside of the site itself lmao
Dude Firestar being the fourth cat was so bad and even still is. I remember stopping the books when that happened. It’s sad all the lost potential man..
i love the theory that hollyleaf has/had powers. which would very well explain why dovewing was considered the "fourth" not as much the third. Starclan **thought** hollyleaf was dead, along with everyone else.
I think scourge is not only a reincarnation of Squirrelflight because of the white paw, but also because Squilf was described as “short” or “small”, so is Scourge. They also were both the “younger sibling” type of personality. That’s why I think Scourhe is reincarnated as Scourge.
Tigerheart's Shadow spoilers: Could some of Dovewing's kits be Bumblestripe's? Female cats can get pregnant from more then one male cat and its called superfecundation. Pouncestep and Shadowsight are gray/dark grey with stripes. Lightleap is dark brown tabby cat like Tigerstar. I know Pouncestep and Shadowsight have amber though...
i know this is unrelated but the persona music in the game is wonderful and I absolutely love those games,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, anyway this is great! I love watching each video when you release it.
I have a theory that when cats fade they become recaranated. Although they have no memorys from previous lives. The ones recaranating them are a force higher then StarClan though.
That’s because Starclan interfered with the true afterlife & so were cursed to always fade away yet return to the earth. If they have a life where they’re not involved with Starclan & don’t believe in Starclan they break free from that cycle, like scourge. Squilf just has a similar white paw. The ocean breaths salty, won’t you take it all in? In your head, in your mouth, in your soul?
This is something I've applied to my own warrior's universe lore because the thought of them just fading away was a bit sad to me. It doesn't have much effect to the plot, only to lessen the sadness of it.
i have a theory that can easily be debunked but whatever so, in the prophecies begin. into the wild. the very beginning of the book. smudge and rusty were talking and mentioned a cat name ‘henry’ or something i forogt his name. this ‘henry’ was the one telling them about the wild cats. but, how did he know? and so much, too! he could be the very old, dark brown tabby tom we know as pinestar!! pinestar, when he left to be a kittypet, wouldnt of been given the name ‘pine’. he wouldve been given a completely different name, perhaps… ‘henry’? oh, and by the way, henry is told to be an OLD TABBY, says rusty. yeah i doubt this is true but its funny to think about i actually opened the book and here are henry’s paragraphs: “You wouldn’t get me in there. It’s dangerous!” Smudge wrinkled his back nose with distaste. *”Henry* said he went into the woods once.” (you sure ONCE?) “That fat *old tabby* never went into the woods!” Rusty scoffed. (yeah rusty? well how do you know he never LIVED there…) *”Henry told me there are all sorts of dangerous animals out there. Huge wildcats who eat live rabbits for breakfast and sharpen their claws on old bones!”* (how does he know there are wildcats there, hm?)
I honestly think that snowkit was dropped by the hawk near the mountain where the tribe lives (bc lots of hawks live there) and might of joined the tribe.My theory is stooopid.
I like the theory that frost paw was meant to be leader but because they killed reedtail it messed everything up, cuz riverstar says she wasnt destined to be a medicine cat.
Ok I have questions. Does anyone realize that Dovewing and Bristlefrost never interacted in TBC even when Bristlefrost dies, Dovewing doesnt say anything to Ivypool or comfort her. Id like to know if this was a writing mastake or was it on purpose 😢
really off topic, but why did I find it so funny to see the answer on the ‘is Whitestorm related to bluestar’ question. She was his foster mom and aunt omg😭
I I have a crazy theory BUT HEAR ME OUT. The evil star clan theory (it's a bit inspired by the evil Spotted Leaf but I came up with it myself). So at the beginning of I think Eclipse (I read it a very long time ago and I'm actually no longer in the fandom, so correct me if there are any mistakes), I think Rock or someone from the Star Clan has some sort of grudge against Midnight for telling Sol about the eclipse . And she's explaining that it was meant to be. And I'm thinking, why would one of the smartest characters in the series tell some random loner about something like that. And she probably still told him where it was because I don't believe he got there alone. Maybe she even gave him the idea to destroy the clans, because the clans are actually like sects, if you look at it literally. And I think Midnight is plotting against the Star Clan because the Star Clan is evil. She's literally making herself some child-soldiers out of Jaypaw and Lionpaw. It leads to things like letting Ashfur into the Star Clan. They doesn't help the Dark Forest's manipulated cats at all, theyjust haunts some random from the saint chosen Thunder Clan for no reason. He favours they Thunder Clan all the time. And there's probably a lot more but I stopped halfway through the 4th series also great video
I’ve never heard of the Rock is Jayfeather from another failed timeline (ik there’s Traveller Feather but that isn’t the same) but I honestly really love the theory! It’s easy to understand and doesn’t seem that far of a stretch imo because of Jayfeather literally traveling to the past to make sure an event happens so that his timeline remains the same. If Rock Jayfeather chose to go with Half Moon and lead the group to the mountains, then become the first Stoneteller, then that timeline gets messed up! Maybe Rock Jayfeather is punished by Starclan to wander forever (thus why despite his ancient age he isn’t faded yet while not in Starclan territory) and goes to live in the tunnels forever. It especially makes sense why Rock is so pushy of Jayfeather and makes sure he makes the right choice (Leaving Flametail to drown to not risk him dying, making sure he doesn’t choose Half Moon, etc.). Maybe Rock Jayfeather changed his name to Rock, a very simple and easy to think of name considering he lives in a cave) so that Jayfeather maybe wouldn’t be so freaked out, or perhaps he forgot his own name because of his ancient age that he used a simple name like Rock as a placeholder. Super interesting!
Imagine Bluestar was alive in the BloodClan battle and Scourge and Firestar (who I guess would have been Fireheart) knew they were half-brothers and they didn't kill each other instead stared at a wall together
I have an small personal theory from Bluestar’s prophecy with her father. I believe that Stormtail fell out of love with Moonflower once she had kits, achieving the expectation for most Toms which is -> “becoming a father” but not doing much afterwards. Avoiding both his mate / ex-mate and kits (til they were older) and began to bond & possibly become mates with Dappletail (if I remember correctly). I recall several scenes of them just always “together” and Bluefur never said or thought anything of it but I always thought it was odd since I believe she wasn’t even at one time his own apprentice…
I had this theory that humans were going to be the main antagonists in ASC, since there glass and that dog, plus the vets helping Frostpaw, and the whole point was stopping Splashtail's ambition in Riverclan to save all clans! I also thought the reason after one entire arc lacking kits, the many ones rabdomically appear from none established couples in ASC were going to be taken by the humans! But i guess is just Splashtail being an ass ahahhah I wonder the next arc what will be about, if Moonpaw is going to be a pure good MC or evil
When I was younger, I heard the 3 were reincarnations, so I thought they were reincarnations of dead arc 1 cats. I thought Lionblaze was Lionheart, Jayfeather was Goosefeather, Hollyleaf was Deadfoot or something, and when Dovewing was revealed I still thought it so I guess Brindleface or Frostfur or something
I loved the rabies theory. I would spend hours thinking about how thunderclan could become quarantined by the other clans and stuff. So sad that he was possessed 😔😔
another thing disproving the snowkit = snowtuft theory is that, the first time snowtuft appears, he is alive. he is killed by shredtail (which is what caused his iconic scar), and here, he reacts to the fact that, i think it was brokenstar, tells shredtail to "cut his stomach open". so this proves he was not deaf, and if it was that his deafness was somehow "cured" in the dark forest, he would've died permanently from shredtail, and he could've not made another appearence in tbc lol
Also, Snowtuft was dead before Snowkit was born. I honestly think that snowkit was dropped by the hawk near the mountain where the tribe lives (bc lots of hawks live there) and might of joined the tribe.My theory is stooopid.
I love your videos! Do you think you could possibly do a video on the disabled cast of characters in warriors? I'd love for them to have more of a spotlight in videos like these! (Also outside of Briarlight there's not a whole lot of disabled cats I know about)
when Mistystar and Reedwhisker just died, i had a theory that main villain of 8th arc will be Mapleshade because why tf she is still "alive", when she killed Spottedleaf? for what? then i remembered moment when she said that she will kill all of Appledusk's descendants, and there is (was) only two cats in the lakeside, who fits the description (i didn't count the cats in the mountains, because they have different afterlife and Mapleshade can't knew about them) but then Splashtail said oops yeaah sorry and i was like DAMNIT i really want him to stay alive, he is interesting character and we didn't have real evil full-time leader after Tigerstar¹ and Brokenstar (SINCE FIRST AND SECOND ARCS!!!) also he may be a Blackstar situation, it's really interesting too let him live please 🥺
My ASC joke theory is that Harelight will be brought back Tigerheartstar-style and become leader of RiverClan. There will definitely not be any confusion as to which Harestar is which at any given point in the future. 👍
The reincarnation theory is fals! *spoiler ivypools heart* Cats that faded away get a part of Natur and not have reincarnation. Cats after the dead (like 1 minute later) can get in a new born body like CinderPelt. So if a cat fade away in starclan they become a part of Natur. The wildcats and the other cats (including stormclan) fade after the after live away in the Natur. They become a part of the sky,clouds,rain,water,plants,trees and animals. Hope this helped and pls like it it would help because it take long things to find out like this.
I was thinking too much one night and realized that Dovewing is Tigerstar's/Tigerheart's mothers brothers mates fathers nefews daughters daughter!?!?? Idk if i should count in-laws, but they are just basically really distant cousins, not related by blood.
its funny being someone that is and isn’t on the warriors fandom at the same time. like, did i watch this video fully? yeah! did i understand like, 80% of it? not really 😭
I have a theory that Pinestar is actually Jake since Pinestar left the clan to be a kittypet. So i think that Pinestar is also the father off Firestar , Scourge and Prinses.
I honestly want Mothstar to be a thing because.. Idk. I want a leader that isn't just some random guy like Harestar. Or a boring one like Tigerstar. I like Squirrelstar, and Leafstar though and I'd want Crowstar to be a thing because.. well, same reason for me wanting Mothstar. Another thing: I'm worried they're going to name Frostpaw frostfall because I've had an oc for years with that name and I don't want it to become a canon name, yknow?
I rember reading that graphic novel and think: OMG FIRESTAR AND SCROUGE ARE HALF-BROTHERS. IT WAS TO BE. ERIN HUNTER WOULDN'T HAVE PUT THAT IN IF IT WASN'T. And Squirrel's one white paw is just like Scrouge's!! More proof!
(SPOILERS!!!) I don't really like the theory that Squirrelstar is reincarnated Scourge, because in the case of Cinderpelt/Cinderheart reincarnation, it happened RIGHT AFTER CINDERPELT DIED, but Scourge was dead for a WHILE before Squirrelstar was born. (Sorry if that sounded rude, I'm rereading this and I came on a bit extreme)
well in the warrior code book there is a story about three kits dying and immediately becoming adults in StarClan as the cats they would have become if they would have lived. Warriors is inconsistent a lot
Cinderpelt and Cinderheart are the same cat! Cinderpelt was reborned as Cinderheart but didn’t realize her past identity and what happened to her past life
If I had a nickel for every time I saw my own post in a TH-cam video I came across randomly, I would have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice. -Mothwhimsy
I really love the theory that Jayfeather is Rock. I think the detail about Rock being the first Stoneteller in his timeline really sells the theory for me.
There was an au map about that I think. I LOVE THIS THEORY SO MUCH
With the stoneteller thing the history is that multiple tribes existed before the tribe of rushing water and eventually they came to the lake before returning to the mountains and Rock was Stoneteller when there were multiple tribes
@@user-qw7nt7fl3dit was called traveler feather
@@user-qw7nt7fl3dtraveler feather!! It’s one of my favorites ❤
WHAT IF ROCK IS JAYS WING AND JAYFEATHER BEING BORN CAUSED A RIP IN THE FABRIC OF TIME
Wait a minute wait a minute wait a fucking minute- JAKE WAS ONLY CONFIRMED TO BE FIRESTAR'S DAD IN *TALLSTAR'S REVENGE*???? I remember that book coming out and "knowing" that Jake was Firestar's dad... WHAT???
That’s what I was thinking lol
My guess is that is when the books confirmed it. But the Wiki and so much of the fandom had "confirmed it" if that makes sense.
If I remember correctly, the Su Susann debacle took place after Tallstar's Revenge by several years. And it wasn't until then that the Wiki did a full revamp after facing heavy criticism. (In the past they just put down every piece of possible information, no questions asked. Including Patchpelt and Willowpelt being the parents of Graystripe despite being siblings.)
***Hold up!***
Something ain't right. I never read Tallstar's Revenge and I knew that! Something doesn't add up.
I recall that information being revealed in Bluestar's Prophecy. It's been a long time since I've read it, so forgive me if I'm wrong. But I swear that's where I learned it.
I REMEMBER READING THAT SAME BOOK AND KNOWING JAKE WAS HIS FATHER!!
Same!!! All those years I thought it was canon!!
“Honeyfern wasn’t pregnant when she died because that would’ve been too sad” yet they killed Bright Stream while she was expecting Clear Sky’s kits?!
And killed off pretty much *all* of crookedstar’s loved ones?
Not to mention silver stream straight up dying in childbirth which was dark af?
So it’s too sad to kill of a pregnant cat, but it’s not too sad to kill off a helpless, blind, kitten as his mother and whole clan watched helplessly? Interesting
deaf not blind but yeah that's what happened sort of... although Snowkit did die offscreen
@@LibraryofAcousticMagic3240 oh heck yeah 😭 I think I was pretty out of it when I wrote this lol
@@LibraryofAcousticMagic3240no? he died on screen
I love the Jayfeather -> Rock reincarnation theory, it is just so perfect.
WAIT- IT*is* SO PERFECT
Traveler Feather :) it’s a good map
Honeyfern being pregnant when she died was too sad?
THEN WHAT THE HELL WAS “THE DEATH OF BRIGHT STREAM”?
We didn’t need to hear bright streams last thoughts in its own little short story that scene already broke my heart enough
yea i thought the same
Same, LIKE JUST LET HER BE PREGNANT WITH KTIS AND DIE BECAUSE GOD DAM IT YOU DONE IT ALREADY
THERES A SHORT STORY ABOUT BRIGHT STREAM DYING?!?!!?!?!
@@Ravens-Callyep, it’s not to hard to find but adds nothing but her pov to the plot so if you don’t want to read a pregnant cat dying then your not missing anything but sadness
@@slushpuppies420 where is it?
For a sec, when you talked about family trees, I thought you were gonna talk about the whitestorm being ashfurs Father situation. Also I could not stop laughing at that minecraft reference
12:26 Squirrelflight would get 8 lives from Star clan as Bramlestar is still alive,its exactly like what happened to Sunstar(sunsfall)when Pinestar left the clan to live with two-legs,sometime in the Bluestars prophesy it's mentioned that he never received his ninenth life because of that
Bluestar's Prophecy says that Pinestar had one remaining life as the leader of ThunderClan, as if one "regular life" is not the same as one "leader life". Pinestar left without going to the Moonstone to give his last "leader life" back (and changing it to a "regular life"), or make his retirement official to StarClan, so I think that's the reason Sunstar was given 8 lives. Bramblestar however, did give back his "leader lives", so I believe Squirrelstar was given 9 lives
Great video! By the way: I wrote the BlogClan article shown at 14:20. I never expected it to be on a TH-cam video lol.
Another thing about Squils's one white paw is that it could not just be a nod to Firestar and Scourge being brothers, but also to Mistyfoot since Bluestar was kind of like a mother figure to Fireheart
mistystar doesnt have one white paw in canon- its a fanon design trope ^^ nice theory tho
great video, fun to hear about all these! so nostalgic :)
i remember being really into the theory of Pinestar being Jake (that just being his kittypet name), and then for Firestar, Scourge and Tigerstar to be half brothers. I was like, completely mindblown when I found out hahah!
A theory I’ve seen floating around is that Splashtail is in someway related to HawkFrost whether it be him being his grandfather or father or even reincarnation i think it’s interesting sense they’re very similar.
11:54 Oh my god I LOVE Su Susann's missing kits theories, I wish they were talked about more! I love her theories and how they were added to the Theories/Retcon section of some cats pages on the Fandom website!
yknow what, if it was pinestar being both scourge, firestars AND tigerstars father that would have been so bonkers (its my canon now...)
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BONKERS INDEED
Bramblestar and Squirrelflight would’ve been even more related than they actually are now 😭
@@advil9567 SWEET HOME ALABAMA
WHAT IF PINESTAR IS HENRY, THE CAT THAT TOLD SMUDGE AND RUSTY ABOUT THE WILD CATS IN THE WOODS…
THEYRE BOTH OLD TABBY TOMS TOO
I'm so happy everytime you post! Seeing videos like this for warriors makes my day. I remember a lot of these from those old "warriors cat fact videos" a video on those alone might be interesting! :) or a part 2 would be great, there's so many crazy theories
the rock is jayfeather theory is actually super interesting, AND it makes sense! probably one of my favorites
3:25 : this theory was already disproven by one of Snowtuft’s first appearances. We saw the very moment he was given that scar by either Hawkfrost or Shredtail off “screen”
I do think that Squilf got her nine lives, as in the Mothflight book she saw the cat that we know to be Firestar give a life to a cat that looked similar to him. I read her super edition back in 2021, so I've always known that she would be leader, as Moth flight saw in visions known events, such as Bluestar reviving after the rat attack in the very first book, and Firestar getting his nine lives. Firestar giving nine lives to a cat that wasn't described like Bramblestar was the only one that didn't already happen
About Bramblestar's possession. There was a theory spread out in russian warriors community, due to one famous chanel making a video of Goosefeather taking Thunder Clan's leader body. And back then it made so much sense for me. Blue eyes, problems with understanding new camp, heavy name mistakes and the most important special powers that brought him there in the first place. Like it's a revenge on Star Clan itself. But yeeeah, the Ashfur was to obvious and at the same time to stupid to be...
at 5:32 it says that bristlefrost is a reincarnation of firestar, but it cant be since when cinderheart was born, leafpaw couldnt see cinderpelt in starclan, but if bristlefrost is his reincarnation firestar couldnt have been in starclan to posses rootspringc
*SPOILERS FOR PO3*
that "rock is jayfeather" in an alternate timeline, where rock became the first stoneteller in his own timeline, because he stayed with half moon as jay's wing, BLEW MY MIND. that's SUCH a good theory, kudos for the person who came up with it, because it COMPLETELY makes sense, and i'm sold.
the idea of rock barring jay from staying with half moon, because he knows what happens, and lived through him becoming stoneteller... but at the risk of all the clans in the far future (since jay, being a chosen starclan cat with powers, would mean the clans don't have one of the chosen cats to help fight the dark forest and make the prophecy come true) is SO GOOD. it means the dark forest likely won in rock's timeline had he (then jay in an alternate timeline) left the clans, prophecy, and became the first stoneteller.
that means rock HAD to stop jay from seeing half moon, or else, hypothetically, the dark forest would WIN the last battle and completely destroy the clans without him. that's such a good take. i'm re-reading omen of the stars right now with intent to catch up (never started any books past bramblestar's storm timeline wise) and the rock is jay theory has changed my view entirely on the plot of po3 and oots. that's so cool. i hope the erins catch wind of the theory and confirm it (even if it wasn't planned while writing) but it just fits so perfectly, and really ties up the two arcs into a neat bow.
plus, rock disappearing after the great battle. it's like he can pass peacefully and disappear knowing he made amends, like he received closure. so good
6:56 “Dormammu, I’ve come to bargain.”
Seeing comments from Scratch at 3:14 and 5:02 jumpscared me so hard omg. People rarely acknowledge how huge the Warrior Cats fandom is on this kids coding site, with many multi-chapter webcomic style fanfics being released in there, and this is the first time I've seen it outside of the site itself lmao
6:37 ok but why does the undertale music fit so well with the jayfeather/rock theory 😭
Dude Firestar being the fourth cat was so bad and even still is. I remember stopping the books when that happened. It’s sad all the lost potential man..
i love the theory that hollyleaf has/had powers. which would very well explain why dovewing was considered the "fourth" not as much the third. Starclan **thought** hollyleaf was dead, along with everyone else.
I think scourge is not only a reincarnation of Squirrelflight because of the white paw, but also because Squilf was described as “short” or “small”, so is Scourge. They also were both the “younger sibling” type of personality. That’s why I think Scourhe is reincarnated as Scourge.
This is great! Although I can’t help but notice some of the references were comments off of Scratch….
Tigerheart's Shadow spoilers:
Could some of Dovewing's kits be Bumblestripe's? Female cats can get pregnant from more then one male cat and its called superfecundation. Pouncestep and Shadowsight are gray/dark grey with stripes. Lightleap is dark brown tabby cat like Tigerstar. I know Pouncestep and Shadowsight have amber though...
i know this is unrelated but the persona music in the game is wonderful and I absolutely love those games,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, anyway this is great! I love watching each video when you release it.
I have a theory that when cats fade they become recaranated. Although they have no memorys from previous lives. The ones recaranating them are a force higher then StarClan though.
That’s because Starclan interfered with the true afterlife & so were cursed to always fade away yet return to the earth.
If they have a life where they’re not involved with Starclan & don’t believe in Starclan they break free from that cycle, like scourge.
Squilf just has a similar white paw.
The ocean breaths salty, won’t you take it all in?
In your head, in your mouth, in your soul?
@@Barakon Love the Pirate Scourge reference
This is something I've applied to my own warrior's universe lore because the thought of them just fading away was a bit sad to me. It doesn't have much effect to the plot, only to lessen the sadness of it.
@@JonteTheRoach…youre joking right
@@ratxentherat What?
i have a theory that can easily be debunked but whatever
so, in the prophecies begin. into the wild. the very beginning of the book. smudge and rusty were talking and mentioned a cat name ‘henry’ or something i forogt his name. this ‘henry’ was the one telling them about the wild cats. but, how did he know? and so much, too! he could be the very old, dark brown tabby tom we know as pinestar!! pinestar, when he left to be a kittypet, wouldnt of been given the name ‘pine’. he wouldve been given a completely different name, perhaps… ‘henry’? oh, and by the way, henry is told to be an OLD TABBY, says rusty.
yeah i doubt this is true but its funny to think about
i actually opened the book and here are henry’s paragraphs: “You wouldn’t get me in there. It’s dangerous!” Smudge wrinkled his back nose with distaste. *”Henry* said he went into the woods once.” (you sure ONCE?)
“That fat *old tabby* never went into the woods!” Rusty scoffed. (yeah rusty? well how do you know he never LIVED there…)
*”Henry told me there are all sorts of dangerous animals out there. Huge wildcats who eat live rabbits for breakfast and sharpen their claws on old bones!”* (how does he know there are wildcats there, hm?)
I honestly think that snowkit was dropped by the hawk near the mountain where the tribe lives (bc lots of hawks live there) and might of joined the tribe.My theory is stooopid.
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I keep hearing that theory and my response is always saying or thinking that she's waay to young.
I like the theory that frost paw was meant to be leader but because they killed reedtail it messed everything up, cuz riverstar says she wasnt destined to be a medicine cat.
Ok I have questions. Does anyone realize that Dovewing and Bristlefrost never interacted in TBC even when Bristlefrost dies, Dovewing doesnt say anything to Ivypool or comfort her. Id like to know if this was a writing mastake or was it on purpose 😢
The jayfeather being rock reincarnated is such a cool concept i doubt it was intentional
really off topic, but why did I find it so funny to see the answer on the ‘is Whitestorm related to bluestar’ question.
She was his foster mom and aunt omg😭
Just finished the video :) Awesome as always!
I I have a crazy theory BUT HEAR ME OUT. The evil star clan theory (it's a bit inspired by the evil Spotted Leaf but I came up with it myself). So at the beginning of I think Eclipse (I read it a very long time ago and I'm actually no longer in the fandom, so correct me if there are any mistakes), I think Rock or someone from the Star Clan has some sort of grudge against Midnight for telling Sol about the eclipse . And she's explaining that it was meant to be. And I'm thinking, why would one of the smartest characters in the series tell some random loner about something like that. And she probably still told him where it was because I don't believe he got there alone. Maybe she even gave him the idea to destroy the clans, because the clans are actually like sects, if you look at it literally. And I think Midnight is plotting against the Star Clan because the Star Clan is evil. She's literally making herself some child-soldiers out of Jaypaw and Lionpaw. It leads to things like letting Ashfur into the Star Clan. They doesn't help the Dark Forest's manipulated cats at all, theyjust haunts some random from the saint chosen Thunder Clan for no reason. He favours they Thunder Clan all the time. And there's probably a lot more but I stopped halfway through the 4th series
also great video
I’ve never heard of the Rock is Jayfeather from another failed timeline (ik there’s Traveller Feather but that isn’t the same) but I honestly really love the theory! It’s easy to understand and doesn’t seem that far of a stretch imo because of Jayfeather literally traveling to the past to make sure an event happens so that his timeline remains the same. If Rock Jayfeather chose to go with Half Moon and lead the group to the mountains, then become the first Stoneteller, then that timeline gets messed up! Maybe Rock Jayfeather is punished by Starclan to wander forever (thus why despite his ancient age he isn’t faded yet while not in Starclan territory) and goes to live in the tunnels forever. It especially makes sense why Rock is so pushy of Jayfeather and makes sure he makes the right choice (Leaving Flametail to drown to not risk him dying, making sure he doesn’t choose Half Moon, etc.). Maybe Rock Jayfeather changed his name to Rock, a very simple and easy to think of name considering he lives in a cave) so that Jayfeather maybe wouldn’t be so freaked out, or perhaps he forgot his own name because of his ancient age that he used a simple name like Rock as a placeholder. Super interesting!
The scratch comments caught me so off guard 😭
for real
when she said "squirrelflight... and scourge" MY EYES GOT SO BIG
Imagine Bluestar was alive in the BloodClan battle and Scourge and Firestar (who I guess would have been Fireheart) knew they were half-brothers and they didn't kill each other instead stared at a wall together
I have an small personal theory from Bluestar’s prophecy with her father. I believe that Stormtail fell out of love with Moonflower once she had kits, achieving the expectation for most Toms which is -> “becoming a father” but not doing much afterwards. Avoiding both his mate / ex-mate and kits (til they were older) and began to bond & possibly become mates with Dappletail (if I remember correctly). I recall several scenes of them just always “together” and Bluefur never said or thought anything of it but I always thought it was odd since I believe she wasn’t even at one time his own apprentice…
The one about rock being Jayfeather makes a bit of sense
I had this theory that humans were going to be the main antagonists in ASC, since there glass and that dog, plus the vets helping Frostpaw, and the whole point was stopping Splashtail's ambition in Riverclan to save all clans! I also thought the reason after one entire arc lacking kits, the many ones rabdomically appear from none established couples in ASC were going to be taken by the humans! But i guess is just Splashtail being an ass ahahhah
I wonder the next arc what will be about, if Moonpaw is going to be a pure good MC or evil
also snowtuft's scar is from omen of the stars - we actually see (or hear? i dont remember) it happen
I have feelings for you.
I have feelings for you too.
And that feeling was friendship.
9 year old me was FULLY convinced jayfeather and rock were the same cat
When I was younger, I heard the 3 were reincarnations, so I thought they were reincarnations of dead arc 1 cats. I thought Lionblaze was Lionheart, Jayfeather was Goosefeather, Hollyleaf was Deadfoot or something, and when Dovewing was revealed I still thought it so I guess Brindleface or Frostfur or something
I like that little reincarnation theory might make that a headcannon
10:57 am I hearing things, or did you say "Dorkstripe"? XD
hello???? another Soleil that enjoys warrior cats... a wonderful find, and amazing videos 🥺
I loved the rabies theory. I would spend hours thinking about how thunderclan could become quarantined by the other clans and stuff. So sad that he was possessed 😔😔
another thing disproving the snowkit = snowtuft theory is that, the first time snowtuft appears, he is alive. he is killed by shredtail (which is what caused his iconic scar), and here, he reacts to the fact that, i think it was brokenstar, tells shredtail to "cut his stomach open". so this proves he was not deaf, and if it was that his deafness was somehow "cured" in the dark forest, he would've died permanently from shredtail, and he could've not made another appearence in tbc lol
Also, Snowtuft was dead before Snowkit was born. I honestly think that snowkit was dropped by the hawk near the mountain where the tribe lives (bc lots of hawks live there) and might of joined the tribe.My theory is stooopid.
@@FloofyKit no snowtuft was alive. As he has now died twice in the series, and we witnessed them both lol, but i like your theory
I prefer the theory that Mothwing will become Riverclan’s leader! That would be awesome!
I love your videos! Do you think you could possibly do a video on the disabled cast of characters in warriors? I'd love for them to have more of a spotlight in videos like these! (Also outside of Briarlight there's not a whole lot of disabled cats I know about)
and there is also One-eye, with her one eye being blind, and there was one cat who lost his tail to a badger but i forgot his name lol
when Mistystar and Reedwhisker just died, i had a theory that main villain of 8th arc will be Mapleshade
because why tf she is still "alive", when she killed Spottedleaf? for what?
then i remembered moment when she said that she will kill all of Appledusk's descendants, and there is (was) only two cats in the lakeside, who fits the description (i didn't count the cats in the mountains, because they have different afterlife and Mapleshade can't knew about them)
but then Splashtail said oops yeaah sorry and i was like DAMNIT
i really want him to stay alive, he is interesting character and we didn't have real evil full-time leader after Tigerstar¹ and Brokenstar (SINCE FIRST AND SECOND ARCS!!!)
also he may be a Blackstar situation, it's really interesting too
let him live please 🥺
My ASC joke theory is that Harelight will be brought back Tigerheartstar-style and become leader of RiverClan. There will definitely not be any confusion as to which Harestar is which at any given point in the future. 👍
omg i thought that honeyfern fact was true ??? how crazy is that . fun video !!!
My headcanon is that the hawk dropped Snowkit around Shadowclan territory and they were taken in
They made a map that includes the Jayfeather and Rock theory
Traveler-Feather
@@SpottertheOtterfox yep!
The jay feather is rock theory is something I have believed sense day one of them talking. It is an amazing theory.
If Ashfur is Dovewing's father then that just makes what he did to Shadowsight even more disturbing
The reincarnation theory is fals!
*spoiler ivypools heart*
Cats that faded away get a part of Natur and not have reincarnation. Cats after the dead (like 1 minute later) can get in a new born body like CinderPelt. So if a cat fade away in starclan they become a part of Natur. The wildcats and the other cats (including stormclan) fade after the after live away in the Natur. They become a part of the sky,clouds,rain,water,plants,trees and animals.
Hope this helped and pls like it it would help because it take long things to find out like this.
I don't understand how peoplethink snowkit is snowtuft because snowtuft is not deaf
But Snowtuft is dead, but it could be that only Starclan members get their physical ailments, i.e. Briarlight walking
I was thinking too much one night and realized that Dovewing is Tigerstar's/Tigerheart's mothers brothers mates fathers nefews daughters daughter!?!?? Idk if i should count in-laws, but they are just basically really distant cousins, not related by blood.
its funny being someone that is and isn’t on the warriors fandom at the same time. like, did i watch this video fully? yeah! did i understand like, 80% of it? not really 😭
I really like the Jayfether is rock theory it makes sense since Rock was never menchend again
I have a theory that Pinestar is actually Jake since Pinestar left the clan to be a kittypet. So i think that Pinestar is also the father off Firestar , Scourge and Prinses.
"and hawkfrost is.... pretty much everyone" XD
I love matpat level warrior cats videos
Bet this video will be quality as usual, hope it takes off!
I am 100% convinced that Squirrelflight never got her nine lives.
Rock jumpscared me
I honestly want Mothstar to be a thing because.. Idk. I want a leader that isn't just some random guy like Harestar. Or a boring one like Tigerstar. I like Squirrelstar, and Leafstar though and I'd want Crowstar to be a thing because.. well, same reason for me wanting Mothstar.
Another thing: I'm worried they're going to name Frostpaw frostfall because I've had an oc for years with that name and I don't want it to become a canon name, yknow?
Hmmm, seems like Ivypool’s heart disproved reincarnation theory
Maybe u can do a video on Emberdawn!
THE RAQNDOM SCRATCH COMMENTS?!?!??! I LOVE SCRATCHHH
I rember reading that graphic novel and think: OMG FIRESTAR AND SCROUGE ARE HALF-BROTHERS. IT WAS TO BE. ERIN HUNTER WOULDN'T HAVE PUT THAT IN IF IT WASN'T. And Squirrel's one white paw is just like Scrouge's!! More proof!
That is so dumb thinking Scrouge is Squirrelflight when they are absolute nothing alike
Me gusta la teoría de que Lionheart fue asesinado por Tigerstar o por ordenes de el, es como que tiene el sentido del mundo
So Firestar killed his brother wow
(SPOILERS!!!) I don't really like the theory that Squirrelstar is reincarnated Scourge, because in the case of Cinderpelt/Cinderheart reincarnation, it happened RIGHT AFTER CINDERPELT DIED, but Scourge was dead for a WHILE before Squirrelstar was born. (Sorry if that sounded rude, I'm rereading this and I came on a bit extreme)
So dumb how people think Snowkit is Snowtush when he died as he died as a kit
well in the warrior code book there is a story about three kits dying and immediately becoming adults in StarClan as the cats they would have become if they would have lived. Warriors is inconsistent a lot
...yeah we figured out it was ashfur in like two books
Squill is also a short cat same with scourge
Cinderpelt and Cinderheart are the same cat! Cinderpelt was reborned as Cinderheart but didn’t realize her past identity and what happened to her past life
If I had a nickel for every time I saw my own post in a TH-cam video I came across randomly, I would have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice. -Mothwhimsy
It is obivious Squirrelflight got 9 lives
Lore of Warrior Cats Fan Theories momentum 100
Me thinking omen of the stars was the last arc omg I have a lot to read
lol
Soooo. Is his mom’s name pronounced “Quinss” or “quinsee”? Like the bleach quince?
Interesting, I've never thought about other pronunciations. I guess it just depends on where you live
12:49 my freaking reddit comment...
Oooh new video :)
And why in the world will Firestar KILL HIS OWN FAMILY WTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kind brother 02
Froststar for leader!
Vote!
Yes. No
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sobbing in i havent read asc so i cant finish the video (can someone reply to this every few months so i can get reminded ig lol