What is the BEST control setup for Smash 4?
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~Time stamps~
Tap Jump ON/OFF - 0:35
↳ Double Sticking - 0:51
↳ Tilting Shield Up - 1:22
↳ Tap Jumping - 1:35
Right joystick Smash/Attack/Special - 1:49
↳ Auto Smash/Tilt - 1:54
↳ Aerial Momentum Loss - 2:17
↳ Instant Dash Attack - 2:41
↳ Buffered up Air - 2:58
↳ C-Bounce - 3:12
↳ Diagonal Tilt - 3:36
↳ Easy wavebounces and b-reverses - 4:39
Controller comparisons - 4:53
↳ Triggers - 5:04
↳ Joystick Ridges - 5:55
↳ Extra Button - 6:15
↳ Input Lag - 6:30
↳ Right Joystick Location - 7:07
↳ D-pad Smashes - 7:58
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The 3ds is obviously the best controller for smash right above using a tv remote
the wiimote is
+Mark Topman Almost, but I think the Wii-Mote is clearly better in every way
+Mark Topman tfw you like the 3ds over other controllers
+Mark Topman Personally I move my character through the use of interpretive dance
2ds is the best smash controller
I've found that the best controller is usually the best tasting one. After licking all options I've concluded that the Wii remote is the best choice for competitive smash
Lol
+Imperial Conterial my wii u pro controller is the best one it tastes like chips and candy, or maybe its my greasy hands, the gc remote just tastes like paint
+Imperial Conterial To the TOP!
trombonophone99 Like I said, some people do certain "things."
So...you were painting before you decided to play Monkey Ball 2 one day?
The top three best controllers are
3. iPad
2. Computer mouse
1. The buttons on the TV
I wish I could like this comment on my phone.
Marth The Kawaii Prince From Wal-Mart use a Gamecube controller, it works better than a phone.
FireMario887 oh damn I've been using a Wii U gamepad
Marth The Kawaii Prince From Wal-Mart You should know better, you're from Melee Marth cmon now D:
FireMario887 melee
MELEE
Melee is Roy's game
Mine is Fire Emblem
The DK bongos are obviously the best controller
Prometheus237 oh my god u cracked me up 🤣im falling
lmao
Duh
Can you actually use them?
r/woooosh
"The c stick is located on the left side of the gamecube controller."
My Smash Corner-2016
I was thinking the same :')
+TranscendedArrow Well, it is on the bottom left relative to your right thumb.
*BRUH*
Dannnng didnt catch that..
WHEN DOES HE SAY THAT?
Bongo Drums are the best.
LOL
+Supersonic ROB FTW
+Supersonic I prefer the guitar from Guitar Hero
You come here from PJiggles? :D
What about the Wii Fit Balance Board?
Weighing the pros and cons? I knew there was a Wii U Pro controller, but i've never seen a Wii U Con controller before.
+Slayer Juan Wait, did I mess something up? EDIT: lol, got it *facepalm*
+My Smash Corner Pro controllers and Con controllers..
It's a joke
+My Smash Corner I'm pretty sure that was a pun
They're exclusively sold by con artists. I believe you'll find them in your local Walmart or GameStop or... wherever you buy crappy bootleg pro controllers...
go to bed
You can also cross your arms while playing with wiichuck, this is priceless.
I want someone to do that in a tourney
UTSU I wanna do that now, be all anime and shit Jojo posing the entire match
i used to play like this for years and let me tell you it's so liberating
I use my guitar hero controller, I'm the guy who made it so meta knight was in a league of his own back in SSBB
Respect Bruh
RESPECT
You are da one da one
SugarNaught your a legend bro I remember watching highlights of a meta knight main who used his guitar hero controller
of course, it was a bottom league
I can't tell you how many times I've lost a match due to the 3DS's 360 circle pad. I try hitting Up-B to recover but then I end up doing Side-B by mistake.
I broke my circle pad off my 3DS, so now there's just a little nub.
My brother and I killed our Circle Pad playing smash. Like, just today it fell off while I was playing (not Smash, but Kid Icarus Uprising). The whole Up-B/Side-B thing has always been worse for me since Zelda is my main and accidentally using her side B has killed me a LOT due to it pointless putting you in freefall.
Kami Lee I broke my shoulder buttons playing Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, so I set the Y button to grab, and I can't shield well.
Minus Bros. That happens on my regular Wii U game too XD
Really sucks for you if you main a character who’s side special has special fall such as Ike or Little Mac
WiiMote without the nunchuck is OBVIOUSLY the best controller.
agreed
+Yash Reddy That joke didn't go over your head or anything.
+Mathatron3000 Nah fam, the WiiMote by ITSELF is the only S-Tier controller.
Screw that, I use a modded DK bongo controller!
+Ryder Eddy OPPONENTS BE LIKE, "DEM CLAPS DOE"
i've gotten so used to 3ds i cant do any other controller now
fuck
I used the 3ds for a year and a half and I adapted to the gc controller, it's tough I know.
+Shane Ramirez yeah the pro controller and gamepad are easiest to adapt to from the 33ds because the button layout is much more similar
Ive gone through crazy button changes and i still got use to it. I now play the default abxy setup rather than the old style i used. I may have adapted bc im younge (13 at the time) and my brain is still developing. If u r young u can do it! If you're an old people though it will take more time. I cringed as i adapted pretty much every time i played. Its so weird and annoying to get use to a new setup but it is doable if you really want to! :D
+Elian Hirang As a player who played on the 3DS for a year before switching to the Wii U version, I feel your pain. But don't worry. All you have to do is take some time to try other controllers, then practise with the one you want.
I was really good using the wii u pro controller before, but now that I play a lot of 3ds smash, it's hard to adapt back
Obviously the best controller is the Odyssey controller.
Pros:
-THREE control sticks
-A reset button
Cons:
-When plugged in, you'll have to find an overlay of the stage you're playing.
Tri-Volt (Wordoredlink) Mario Oddysey
Haha I Don't think that barely ANYONE knows what an Odyssey is
Magnavox Odyssey.
"THREE control sticks"
me: imagine the possibilities!
No No No The Channel F
I've used tap jump ever since I played brawl, which was my first smash game, and now I literally can't play without it. It's just natural.
Same I tried to stop once but I kept getting self destructs
I decided to train myself to turn tap jump off so I wouldn't jump when I wanted to up-tilt.
+Noah Triche For me, it's almost the exact opposite, and exactaly for the reason stated in the video, but also because I run off the ledge and use u my jump immediately, without recognizing it. As someone who plays with Tap Jump on, how do you cope with this?
+Noah Triche Sometimes you need to get a little bit worse in order to get even better. I switched to having jump on Z and I was so bad for about a day, but I genuinely think it's one of the best decisions I ever made.
+Jinnbow Happened to me too. Practice paying attention specifically for the halo that appears at the beginning of the double jump. Might take some practice, but it's beneficial to realize if to keep going off stage or to retreat.
Tap jump. You didn't mention u-tilts? ._.
+William Tannery Agreed. That was pretty much the only reason why I switched from Tap Jump ON to Tap Jump OFF back when I was starting out.
Guess it was pretty easy for that to slip by him, since even I didn't realize he missed such an important thing.
+William Tannery Double sticking is also completely replaceable by putting jump on a trigger button or by using claw grip, which is already optimal as it stands due to the enormous benefit you gain for buffering aerials, so if you're *really* trying to optimize your control setup, tap jump has one less benefit, making it objectively worse than tap jump off.
+Zren I primarily use the older 3ds model, the one with one shoulder button on either side and no c-stick. It's definitely suboptimal, and whenever I use my cousins Wii u I use the classic controller.
I forced myself to learn tap-jump off, switching from tap jump to the x button. It took like a week of consistent practice, but at this point I don't really ever know how I used tap jump at all.
U-tilts and u-airs without doublejump are so damn useful. Imo, up-b/up-smash out of shield benefit isn't worth sacrificing u-tilts/shield wiggling/u airs.
They're just as hard to do as up airs. Go figure
2:53
Actually If you hit forward then hit down on the C stick a dash attack will come out even if it is set to smash.
yeah I heard this and was thinking what is he talking about
I was thinking the same thing
only if you flick the c-stick downwards or upwards
ChillTerumi
No... Only If you click the C stic downards. Flicking it upwards will cause and upsmash.
Yeah and you don't suffer any aerial momentum loss with smash stick except for when using nairs
Could you maybe do a new one when Ultimate comes out?
Please?
Yord ikr
I agree this
I totally agree, ill likely use a pro controller because of the extra shoulder button and a more familiar layout, but the extra frame of input lag is really putting me off
I agree
How come smash hasn't updated to be able to customize a New Nintendo 3DS' buttons?
Because that would cost money to pay people to program, and would not make them money. Enjoy the response to your year-old comment.
Somehow I'm comfortable using the gamepad
+0n11ch4n same m8
Team Gamepad user, ayeeee
ye, gamepad crew
+0n11ch4n I'm using gamepad too :p
Me too
About the Wiimote+Nunchuck, you can hold them in any way you want, including in a way you could reach the 1 and 2 buttons with your *left* hand
+Samu Rönkkö
That would mean you would need to use the controllers either in a really weird way so your left ring finger and pinky would use the 1 and 2 buttons or your left thumb but that would mean you couldn't move.
Pro controller top tier,
Only bad thing about it is the lack of ridges and that extra button is super useful
+Voltage I use the fightpad (Stupid name I know) it's essentially a gamecube controller with an extra bumper, and it maintains the ridges.
+Voltage I actually prefer the lack of ridges. For me it's easier to pick your angle when you're teleporting with zelda/palu/mewtwo. Only thing is getting c-stick nairs.
+Voltage finally someone i can agree with
+cwjakesteel I'm using the pro controller, c-stick set to attack, and I do nairs by jumping with X and just hitting the c-stick with my thumb into the upper right corner. It works most of the time, I haven't practiced that much.
The lack of ridges is good for Up Bs which can go in all directions, because it makes it easier to slight-angle.
(plays competitively with wii-mote) ...
Jeff Legendre Shoutout to Scatt and Tearbear
Jeff Legendre *D-pad intensifies*
Jeff Legendre *Same*...
Same... :D Win rate on for glory is 81.04 (I know that for glory sucks but whatever?
Same.
rip 3ds users
#3DSPride
1 Liek=1 3dsprey...
2ds... :-')
I use 3DS. It's all I got...
+Crammananne Same
I am is ded now? Cuz plly 4sd i do
Waited for Bidou controlls, RIP me
same xD
+Taylor Foulkrod I'd say skip waiting for it and try to find you're own style, one I'm currently practicing is R trigger being special along with C-stick since I don't use R much for shielding.
Something interesting to note is that bidou is not necessarily the most optimal control scheme for every character. For example: Cloud is pretty easy to do snappy movement tech with, and heavily uses aerials that require another input while bidou is active. Alternatively, some characters struggle with movement tech that is easier with bidou, but use special moves so often that having bidou active takes away the character's best moves.
Mr5how5topper
I prefer the biduo su statute with a trigger and the C stick, set to attack.
I'm pretty new to dmash bros, so creating extreme controls that differ from the regular controls in extreme ways is easy to me to adapt to. I COULD do biduo since one of my triggers is special too, but I like tilt stick for perfect pivots and easy air space tools.
My character is super floaty, so this is that hard to do for me
why does the gamecube adapter have to be so expensive
get a fake one from amazon its like 10 bucks
DOCTOR W lol
You don't really understand, do you?
We all know SSB4 cartridge is the best controller.
pfft
i use a gamecube itself as a controller
You can up tilt easily when tap jump is off.
I use tap jump, but up tilting is a little harder with tap on, but I use the c stick set to tilt so that'll make up tilts easier
I've only played SSB4 a few times but wanted to mention - this video's solid info about different controllers/schemes regardless & I appreciate it. Keep at it!
I think the ridges on the sticks are entirely subjective: I actually dislike the ridges because 1. getting perfect directions without is actually much easier than you think and 2. the ridges make it harder to slide the stick around the edge, because of the stop a ridge attempts to do on the stick, and the lack of ridges makes it more fluid. Not to mention, I've tested; the Ryu command inputs are EXTREMELY lenient. So much that I can do a Shaku by started at back-down instead of all the way back, and do shoryus literally by just doing forward down forward.
I like no ridges so much more.
I completely agree, this comment needs more up votes.
As someone with no spatial awareness of my hands, the ridges are a godsend that allow me to mindfully decide what angle I'd like to recover at or what angle I want my smashes and tilts to come out at.
+Tocaraca How is an OPINION wrong you dumbass.
Justin Jones And that's why I said subjective; you like ridges and I don't, for different reasons.
HyperLuigi I understand what you said, and I thought it would be appropriate to offer some insight from a differing perspective; not specifically for you, but for anyone who contemplated which they prefer.
Guess you could say that these controllers are
Triggered
NEW DOES HAVE TRIGGERS THO
Yes
Wow that was so stupid but somehow I'm laughing
HaHaHaHAHAHA! Funny Joke! Good Comedy! END MY SUFFERING!
Ayyy kian is here too!
I know it might not be worthy of a complete video but your opinion on the claw grip could be very useful to me. I constantly debate myself on how good it its, for characters like bayonetta and corrin and zss its wonderful, i dont know if thats just me
+Gustavo Badillo Theoretically, it's just flat-out better than not using it. In reality, a lot of players have trouble controlling it effectively, and it can also cause tendon problems. So, while I'm aware that it's objectively better than not using it, I personally never will. Even if I do hate trying to jump with a shoulder button.
+Gustavo Badillo I only claw grip in specific situations myself, such as when using King Dedede's Charge Hammer or Sonic's Charge Spin to jump while I'm charging the special.
I completely eliminated my use of the face buttons with the pro controller and bidou. Though bidou's unnecessary for that
Thanks a lot for info guys, I use it in order to chain Bayonetta's 1 frame witch twist jump cancel in order to save my jump or chain it again.
I do see some other uses I just wonder if there is a definitive advantage to a more basic gameplay mechanic accross the whole cast
***** Ya, I mostly have issues short hopping with claw grip. If I had better control of that, say when I play as Marth, Diddy, or Cloud, I'd use it a lot more.
That moment when you main 3ds controller and you have the 3ds smash version not the wii u version...
same
#3DSPride
(Y is best for grab.)
i know how you feel
Y is definitely best for grab
+Matt Hill lol that's what I use too
THANK YOU, I was looking for good comparisons everywhere and couldn't find any!
Can we all just sit back and admire GlitchxCitys beautiful remixes
GameCube is the best controller. Especially if your a melee player and trying to get into Smash 4 (Like Hungrybox) so with the GameCube controller, you can even turn off tap jump for the people who use the X button to jump.
Anyone here hate c-stick nairs? I always get unlucky with it when I try doing a fair or something. Then it sometimes costs me the match...
get good
get good
+skyguys It's really something he should have mentioned as a Pro in favor of C-stick set to smash. I have the same problem as well, which is why I've kind of abandoned setting to Attack.
+skyguys One 0-death ended in my death cuz I naired instead of fair. Me: 0%
SALTIEST. DAY. OF. MY. LIFE!
+CanadianBaconPwnage it took me a couple of weeks to get used to it, but it was worth it. Pulled back nairs are so safe
Thanks for making this video My Smash Corner! I never really knew all the advantages of using attack stick vs smash stick. Definitely informative. Thank you for all you do for the smash 4 community
Got worried that you were gonna forget clawgrip for the aerials, but I'm glad you didn't. Nice video!
But wait +My Smash Corner The New Nintendo 3DS XL has trigger buttons and a c stick does that count?
I personally love the 3ds even though I've used gc longer
It does but it has the C Stick set to smash... Permanently.
It's unknown if it has input lag (55% of the time 1 frame slower like the Wii U Pro) but I'd assume so since it's wireless.
Scratch the first part. That's only for smash 3DS that you can't change your C Stick setup.
you can't change to attack at the 3ds c stick which is awfull
+Infernio_ Playz You can if you use it as a controller for the wii u
You should do a video about the Claw Grip! I haven't seen anyone do one before, and I'm very interested in it.
+Tythaeus There's no evidence for that.
just avoid moving your fingers with your wrist bent awkwardly. that's how you fuck up your hands with carpal tunnel
Best controllers for Smash:
DK Bongos
Atari Controller
TV Remote
Keyboard
iPhone
Nunchuck by itself
NES Controller
3DS
Wii Mote
Worst controllers:
GameCube Controller
Pro Controller
Wiimote and Nunchuck
Wii U game pad
Canned Pillow hilarious
So true, i use TV remote For Glory, its really comfortable
You forgot the dance pad
Na the best controller is a vibrator.
Your all dumb! Steering wheel is best
I'm so happy that there are channels like my smash corner and beefy smash doods around
8:13 With wii mote and nunchuck you can set C, Z, A, B, And down on D pad, which is 5 buttons, because there are only 5 imputs needed, 4 if you have tap jump on (which I don't)
Gamepad + tilt stick master race
only downside with using the gamepad is if i ever wanted to go to a tourney they aren't used :/
other than that tilt stick + tap jump on ZL shield, ZR grab, R jump and i'm set :)
Wait, so the Wii Classic Pro controller has the additional digital trigger *and* octagonal ridges, but *no* input lag? How is it not just the flat-out best using this video's metric?
+PiemanEnderSlender https//en.wikipedia DOT org/wiki/Classic_Controller#Classic_Controller_Pro
not this one
Exactly what I was thinking since I double stick and use the left trigger for jump(the bumper is going to make short hops so much easier). Personally my hands can get quite clammy during a match and I often slip off the thumb sticks of the game cube controller but I don't have this problem with the pro controller so another +1 for me
Well I hope that this is true. Mostly because I only have a Wii right now, not a Wii U... Yet... But the classic pro controller is compatible with Brawl so I can still practice the configuration.
The best one in my opinion is just the nunchuck. No Wiimote just nunchuck
Exactly. You set the Joystick to Smash, the C button to Jump, and the Z button to Taunt. Total game changer.
I had no idea that setting C to attack over smash carried so many benefits. Thanks!
Thanks this helped me a lot to figure out what set I should use
wait, then wii classic pro controller is the best controller
+Gustavo Rolim i mean, it got edges and a cable
+Gustavo Rolim and all benefits from pro controller
+Gustavo Rolim The Cable doesn't help with the wirelessness of the Wii remote.
but isn't wii (not wiiu) pro controller only usable via cable? i mean, the cable is atached to it, you cant remove it
and btw, my friend said that wireless interference is a myth (particularly i disagree with him)
The bit about instant dash attack is incorrect. If you use C-down with smash stick, you will get an instant dash attack. So the only difference is that tilt stick can C-stick in any direction, which is obviously not any kind of advantage.
Actually, that would technically mean it's a disadvantage for the Pro Controller, but not the Gamecube controller.
Peasants, obviously the power glove gives peak performance in smash bros! (☝︎ ՞ਊ ՞)☝︎ DUH!!!
I personally prefer the wiimote and nunchuck for easy access to the power button for when I inevitably rage quit
If you set the L button on the pro controller as jump, you can freely use c-stick INSTANT ariels with absolutely ease, any direction.
Hmm maybe I should try out tilts for c stick
+ArSeNaL “Arsenal” The Gamer lol I will, I main Robin and maybe it will help me with switching swords
+Skides AYEEEE ANOTHER ROBIN MAIN!
But I was thinking the same thing though. I've always used smash stick, so I'm might F around and see what happens.
Buffered aerials are so much easier with the Pro Controller since the C-stick is right next to the trigger buttons. I like the GC controller, but having to stretch my index finger and thumb so far apart is kind of uncomfortable. Also that tid-bit at the end about removing the battery and plugging in the Pro Controller to the Wii U...can you still leave the battery in while it's plugged in to just save time from the tedious task of removing and inserting the battery? Or will it still run the risk of desyncing?
I believe what he meant was that people tend to forget to desync the controller before leaving which makes things complicated for other players. The only reason to remove the battery is because once you unplug the controller, it instantly switches off and hence you can't "forget" to desync. Plugging it in with the battery inside will just charge the battery while you play. The cable has no effect on the sync with or without the battery. It just powers the controller.
Pace Ascension Thanks for the explanation :)
Waddle Derp You're very welcome ^_^
for instant dash attack with smash stick, you just press down on cstick and it always works. You can also do jab cancels without the cstick by holding down and away while pressing A.
For those few fellow Robin mains out there:
Even if you set the C-stick to Attack instead of Smash, it will still use the Levin Sword for aerials if it is available. And you should always use the C-stick for off-stage Levin Sword dairs, because if you do a regular smash input, you will fastfall and not make it back; this makes the GameCube controller your optimal choice.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THE GRUSH IS SUPERIOR
I thought wii remote was optimal controller...
The New 3DS is a thing. There are 4 back buttons
+JamesRodgers25 The two new buttons and the new stick cannot have their inputs changed in either version of the game, so it's not as useful.
That's a fair point
I use a new 3DS as a controller myself, because I mostly play the 3DS version, but if I didn't pretty much use the default control setup, there's no way I'd keep using it.JamesRodgers25
If they let button customization for those buttons and the Cstick happen, I'd be good. But unfortunately Nintendo doenst seem to want to patch that in ;/
Pidude 330 Plus, the C stick isn't that great. If your hands get sweaty it literally doesn't work
This video has given me so much to think about! I didn't realize how many advantages C-Stick Attack had over C-Stick Smash, and I'm glad to see most of my other choices are mostly preference. Maybe I should try some other options and see if they work out better. Thanks!
For wii-mote & nunchuk I've found the most optimal setup to be as follows:
Tap-Jump - ON
Special Move - B
Standard Move - A (You could swap this with special move, but you should put these two on A & B)
Jump - A+B (Stick to tap jump only)
Grab - C
Shield - Z (This can be swapped with Grab, as this is more so personal preference, but you should have these 2 on Z & C)
Tilts - D-pad (Never smash attack, it is so much easier to do a smash attack with a movement joystick than a tilt)
Taunts - 1 & 2 (These buttons are basically unreachable, so setting them to anything practical would be a waste.
Basically, don't use wii-mote and nunchuk if you prefer a smash stick over a tilt stick, or you prefer no tap-jump. There really is no way to fit your preference without making your gameplay worse.
By far the GameCube controller is the worst one, virtual boy controller is the best!
Wait I never heard of c-bouncing before... Where the freak was I???
Am I the only one that plays with the Wii U gamepad :P
+Smash Addict Nope, I love using the Gamepad. Its just not usable in most tournaments.
+Gaming Powerz same i have used gamepad for smash 4 since day 1
Beck Robertson Its so comfortable. Well, after I changed to default controls of course. Pressing the top R button to block is so awkward.
i think the gamepad is the best because your screen is right in front of you
You shouldn't be using the GamePad the whole time because it's not easily replaceable.
I think jumping with a trigger is great because it allows you to press Attack or use the C-Stick without needing to use your thumb to press both or needing to turn Tap-jump on for Double Sticking.
The power glove is the best
the 2ds is better than the 3ds
I think it's more of a personal preference. I use the 2DS and it feels way better than the 3DS. I literally can't play with 3DS's :D
+ItsAbram I personally prefer the n3ds over the 2ds just because of the c-stick. (Also, I prefer the 3ds over the 2ds bc of the circle pads feel)
+Albert Chen honestly the 3ds is too small
+Albert Chen The circle pads are exatly the same on 2DS and 3DS isn't it?
+Don Carlos they feel noticeable different to me
Good luck making this video when Ultimate comes out! would love to see differences between the gamecube controllers/pro controllers/joycons/wired controllers/hori pro controllers/wireless new gamecube controllers/hori Switch fightstick :D
your videos are very well put together. Good job
For the pro contoller, I use X for specials so that the right anolog stick (which I use for tilts) is even closer and I can cover x and a with my thumb with less movement. I had a hard time getting use to this until I played a lot of Mario Maker. Now it feels natural and was worth it.
Great research as ever! Thank you for your contributions to the Smash community.
2:54 If you tilt the C Stick down, you can do instant dash attacks using Smash stick.
Little known fact: you can smash the Gamecube C-Stick with the lower segment of your thumb and avoid having to move your thumb tip off the buttons. With enough practice, this works for all input directions but requires you to intuitively know how to control whether you grip the stick or slide over it. The small, ungrippy stick really helps there.
This is why I use the gamecube controller. It has a C-Stick I can use with the same thumb that does the buttons without me ever having to choose between the two.
Also you can instantly dash attack with c stick by pressing down on the c stick during the normal input window for instant dash attack.
Putting on shake smash on wiimote + nunchuck allows easy aerial attacks without momentum loss. falling up-aerial is also very easy to execute with shake smash on. People should definitely try it.
wiimote/nunchuck user here. awesome and very informative video.. my preference: I have all my d-pad buttons configured to grabs and it plays out so well for me so I don't have to rely on A+B to grab so often. :) also agree about the lack of buttons on it.. geeesh
3:28 you forgot Sonic he can do it it’s just that he has to input a shield
Before I watch the vid... here's my current setup that I use: Wii U Pro Controller
L and R are Shield
ZL and ZR are Grab
Tap Jump is *Off*
Y is Jump
X is Special Move
A/B are both Attack.
L stick is (obviously) movement
And the R stick is tilt attacks.
Also the D-pad is taunts, but I feel like that's kind of self explanatory.
7:58 SHAKE TO SMASH??
I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT IN MY LIFE!!
You can still do regular Attacks with the right-stick set to Smash attacks, but it has to be after a directional input, i.e. lightly holding Up/Sideways.
I figured out the perfect control scheme. You need the buttons on the back set to bidou (note: this only works with pro controller or gamepad), either the X or Y button set to grab, and tap jump turned off. Now here comes the new tech. Set the C stick to either smash attack or tilt, it's just personal preference. The last part may be a big sacrifice for some of you (read: Luigi/Greninja mains) but it's worth it. Change all of the inputs on the D pad to special, I don't care if you can't taunt while using the layout. It will take a while to get used to holding it this way, but this essentially allows you to combine the benefits and advanced tech of bidou with the ability to throw out any aerial you want while jumping of the standard control scheme. Hope this helps but you have to hold it kind of weird, oh well...
lol I saw the thumbnail and I thought "ANYTHING BUT THE WII MOTE"
The control schemes for the GameCube controller are set to the way I feel comfortable when playing. I always have my c stick to tilts. Plus also showed the technique can be used for my main, secondary and pocket character.
You can instantly dash attack from sheild with c stick set to smash. You must input the c stick down when preforming a dash.
this video was really good! it makes me want to try using both the pro controller and the GameCube
For tap jump off, you could have mentioned the up tilt feature which allows you to do up tilts easier
Taking out the pro controller battery and simply plugging the usb to charge is a smart idea. It should be the norm so that big tournaments don't get delayed.
Yo, for my fellow GC anti-tap jumpers, you can double stick and use OoS a LOT easier by setting your unused shoulder button to jump. Takes some getting used to, but it works quite well.
That "diagonal tilting" is actually the #1 reason I don't normally use Attack stick :P
given the new 3ds's layout, it is actually faster to glide toss on the 3ds, thanks to the c stick nub. mainly because there's less movement required compared to the pro or the GC. Also, I switch my L and Y buttons so that it's easier to do some moves such as outta shield options, quickly executing Luigi's jump tornado, and just grabbing in general because I'm using my dominant hand.
I got 5th place in a tournament at my college last year using a 3DS. I'm holding myself back.
Whelp, I'm finally convinced to try out Tilt-C-Stick on the GC Controller.
You can do an instant dash attack with the c-stick set to smash attacks. Just hit forward then down on the c-stick.
For the people complaining about the execution of up-tilts with tap-jump on, just set your C-stick to Attacks. Not only it fixes that problem (for me at least), you get a ton of other benefits over Smash-stick as mention in the video.
8:44 that is pretty accurate... it's hard to be pro when your thumb hurts from the somewhat pointy edges of the wii remote D-pad... that was my only controller option when I first got into the series...
I feel like the controller you use and setup are somewhat dependant on the character you play. For example, you'll want to map the c-stick to tilts if you use Samus since their better than her Smash attacks, whereas on a character like ZSS who doesn't use her tilts as frequently, (mainly because of Down-smash), then you'll want to map your c-stick to Smash attacks. Personally, my local gaming store was sold out of GameCube adapters, so I always practice on the GamePad. I main Pac and Yoshi, and I use two different control setups, Smash c-stick for Pac and Tilt c-stick for Yoshi
So basically my day 1 setup of Ljump xshield tiltstick and tapjump off was one of the optimal choices. How reassuring!
That's why for the C-Stick I go back and forth between tilts and smash attacks for certain characters
I didn't think about setting one of the direction pad buttons to shield so you can spam air dodge, that's such a great tip. Normally I have L/R as shield, Y as jump (tap jump off) and X as grab so that I can easily jab if I whiff a grab because A is so close. Also c stick set to attack. If you need help inputting a smash attack then I have something to tell you . . .