The Five Aggregates: Formation & Consciousness by Joseph Goldstein

#22 Satipatthana Series: The Four Establishments of Mindfulness
Narrated by: Joseph Goldstein
Date: 2006-03-14
Place: IMS, Forest Refuge
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[@stevebarber8501]

Thank you for this.

[@TheNativoamericano]

Thanks for this explanation. I feel the need to five deeper into the formation of consciousness. The example of the Seeing consciousness is good. I'd love to know more about the 4 factors needed for Hearing consciousness, tasting consciousness, etc.
Also it's confusing to me when talking about Consciousness, Mind, Knowing as the same and Self as what?
I know between Hindustan and Tibetan cultures these words many times have almost opposite meanings.
Language no doubt it's a huge barrier for genuine understanding. 😢

[@TheNativoamericano]

I meant the need to dive deeper...

[@jalenlyle-holmes1036]

In buddhism (at least Theravada buddhism), Self is not something that actually independently exists, it's just something we make up (when not awakened) by looking at some or other of the five aggregates as "self". E.g. "my body is my self" or "this intention is my self". In reality this apparent self is just something we are making up and constructing by looking at parts of the aggregates as "self", and with awakening this illusion goes.

[@jalenlyle-holmes1036]

This is a difference between Theravada buddhism and Hindu traditions (where in Hindu traditions, in my understanding, Self is an actual thing which is real and independently existing)

[@Alex722]

@@jalenlyle-holmes1036In Hinduism the Self is the all pervading formless, unconditioned consciousness. Or else God/Creator in western terms.
The eternal No-thing or Tao…
It’s not something that exists independently. It’s the “root” of existence itself. Our true nature in essence.
Usually Self is what I explained and self is the person/body-mind complex/separate sense of self.

[@jalenlyle-holmes1036]

@@Alex722 yep I think we're saying the same thing-- that's what I meant about the Hindu view of self (what youre calling Self with capital S). Independently existing, as in, it exists independent of how a given person looks at things. It truly exists as a true nature, whereas in the Theravada Buddhist view any self is just constructed by looking at things as 'self', and doesn't exist 'in itself'. So self (in Theravada Buddhist view) depends on taking a specific point of view, in a similar way to how the concept of a country e.g. "France" is a human construct.
Whereas in Hinduism my understanding is that it's not dependent on a particular human way of looking at things, or constructed by a particular human point of view. Rather it exists in some more essential and primary way than any specific human points of view or construction.
I know less about the Hindu ideas though. Is that the same as your understanding?