i suspect that the opponent might get a few combo routes as well. The wording makes it seem like a double edged sword and not necessarily specific to baiken. we'll have to see when shes in game though i guess
Anji mains rejoicing in the baiken matchup. Happy Chaos players can't mess up in air tight strings now. One mess up 35% health gone from that counter 😭
Well it turns out she does still have her old grab if you hold the button, for if you don't want to tether, which also delegitimizes my old comment because that's actually really sick.
@@thechugg4372 yep, seems to create oki situations that would be impossible otherwise (I think she did a backdash tatami which made it airborne cos of the tether) new higher damage combo routes too
Like others, I'm gonna miss her old parry. Its guard cancel and follow ups were so cool, but I can see why they did it. I'm hoping she's as fun as she was before
Bro the guard cancel were gone since Xrd lmao. 💀 All you had in Xrd was a parry that was able to be used while blocking but not a straight up guard cancel in the full meaning of it.
This would not be the first time a character´s movement LOOKS simpler at a glance but is later revealed to be very complex, consider that she looks to recover very quickly from the parry, her number of options after it could easily be very very great.
Yeah, Baiken's gonna be a lot more accessible without having to memorize all her alpha counters. I'm gonna miss classic Baiken playstyle, but I hope her new tether mechanic adds new depth.
From Alpha Counters to Parries and now, a proximity-based counter/reflect hybrid. In addition to a more easily TK’ed Yozansen, a tether gimmick and a freaking flare gun super in exchange for Suzuran, I’d say her new kit looks promising for the most part.
Her Japanese voice Sounds incredible. Honestly ever character has fantastic voice acting, I feel like thats a very underrated thing about GG aesthetic wise
It’s disappointing to see her alpha counter gone but the tether looks really unique. Hopefully they make a new character they can give guard cancels to later. It’s a really unique archetype id love to see in this game.
@@cham9480 Neither is Potemkin buster, or Millias insane mix-ups, or the random chance to slip on a banana. It's not about being fun to fight against, it's about providing a matching toolset to a players playstyle.
@@diangelo786 I don't think you understand how oppressive her guard cancels were. She literally punished you for playing the game. She didn't prevent you from flowcharting, she prevented any guardstring AT ALL, lest you want to get comboed for huge damage for daring to try to attack her in blockstun. It's incredibly inane to fight against and is why her function was hated.
Sucks that they removed her more defensive moves, but the tether seems pretty unique. Looking forward to trying it. Hope they add some of her old moves in future updates/versions of the game.
@@Xenozillex a lot of people found the dlc characters to be too difficult, and nobody wants to pay for a very niche character. i personally like all the dlc characters, although I think jacko was pretty disappointing because of how complicated she was. arc sys knows that the dlc characters overall have been for a more niche audience, and they want their most popular character to be more accessible so that more people get to play her and they get more sales (no baiken, no buyken will be no more!)
@@RicochetForce I was more salty about Jack O because they took the easiest character to play in Xrd and made her the hardest in the game, and completely spit on her old playthrough just because she pissed off people who were shit at Xrd. If they wanted a shitty knock off Venom they should of just put in Venom.
Dang she's a lot more simplified than i thought she'd be. No more Suzuran or parry follow-ups. And focus seems to lean in to the aggressive side of things Im definitely interested to see how she'll feel in-game tho
@@Xenozillex To be fair, a lot of the characters in Strive still retained alot of their core design concept. Leo is basically the same, being stance-based mix-up character Sol is still heavily focused around his strike/throw mix Even Jack-O retained her core concept of minion-based pressure It's weird for a long-time legacy character to get the Ram treatment lol
I don’t know why, but that made me laugh to see her use all these attacks and then one of those specials is just whip out a gun and fire off a firework shell.
@@breaka666 Samurais are mainly long range combatants. Like Bow and Arrow. When gunpowder became famous, Samurais also brought it to their arsenal. So yeah this is pretty accurate to actual Samurais. But I do get you're referring to the flashy movies/anime/games that usually depict Samurais as sword wielding badasses
She may look like a counter character, but I think they where intending on making her also a reverse zoner of types. Yes she still has big zoner-ey moves like the mat and the blade circle, but if she tethers you, there isn't much you can do. As it was stated, only grabs and projectiles beat her counter. Most projectiles are too risky when your in the opponents face, so you can only grab or physically attack. This puts you in a risky situation, either you both grab and the grabs are canceled, your grab beats baiken's counter, or baiken's counter beats your attack. That's not accounting for other things like blocking, jumping, or Baiken attacking, but what I'm trying to say is what I think the developers are going for is a counter character that forces you into getting countered.
Really shows the developers mentality with this game. They took their most notorious defensive character and said "yea, ya'll still have a counter, but unless you're British with JoJo powers we want you to go in"
Also the moves that knock your opponent back or hit them from a distance will combine with the spring-back function of the tether to bring them right to you
I think a lot of us understood that Baiken's traditional Alpha Counters would be game-breaking in Strive, and I'm not surprised to see them gone. I enjoy seeing the characters reimagined and redesigned, but it's always a little sad when the things that made a character unique in the old games aren't brought forward into new versions. I hope that over Strive's lifespan, they can continue to refine and magnify the unique elements of each character. To me, that uniqueness and diversity is part of the soul of Guilty Gear.
Preach. I like the initial vision for Strive and I think it worked out well. But if they can expand from here so that the theoretical Strive Rev 2 has a similar amount of options like Xrd that'll be dope. I want this game to grow as it goes
The uniqueness of a every character and how they all have their own crazy bs is what drew me to the series in the first place. Guess one could say the tehter is unique but it should've been reserved for a new character.
I'm glad to see that all her moves are so easy to perform, with no Z motions, just quarter and half circles. Knowing how popular the character is, this time you made her simple enough for fighting game newbies to immediately try out and enjoy. And I would imagine the assistance on combos in the form of tether will also be very helpful. Love it!
nah man i should just be able to push a button and the move works. i cant quarter circle, i've spent the last 420 hours trying my best and i just cant get it dude. Ever day when I get home from work i practice and practice. it think my wife is gonna leave me
i was absolutely terrified of what yozanzen being changed from a dp to a quarter circle was going to do, but then breathed a sigh of relief when i learned she didn't have all her crazy defensive options
@@PR1ME98 Her gameplay just looks like Ranlethal but reverse. Where Ram wants to pin you to the wall with her range and moves. Baiken looks like she wants you to be closer with her range and moves. If they do make a parry focus character... I'd feel like they robbed that off of Baiken.
@UC_bKwzEAqQ0Oz_t9AA899mg I can agree that a Baiken match up may make you drastically change how you play which was annoying but I think she's easier to deal with compared to Johnny or old Raven.
Assuming the tether doesn't disappear when Baiken gets hit. that means every character could have tether combos that they can do to Baiken. Imagine Goldlewis with tether combos. He could potentially do his behemoth typhoon wallbounce combos midscreen. dear god
They took Baiken the defensive lightweight goofball and turned her into Baiken: the normal ass character. Which is honestly fine for Strive. Brought back the AC super but instead of "the tatami gun" its just "the gun" and honestly im here for it.
They are testing people's loyalty. She's always been a hard character to play but now that she's easier, people better put their money where their waifu is.
@@tokyobassist my only loyalty was to defense. Hiiragi looks like good damage but now I have to wait for Jam to (hopefully) be released to get a more useful parry. That is, even they don't just remove it if she's ever released. For a game like GG, who's core motto has always been about the freedom of expression, it's feels really bad to just out right remove the most defensive tools in the series.
@@chasemcfarland2851 well strive is a very offense-oriented game, so i unfortunately doubt that they’ll make very defense-oriented characters. hopefully they add other follow ups and/or parries to baiken in later updates similar to how they added the afro-hair-paper-bag-bomb to faust
@@m4xy. The whole series is regarded as being Offense oriented. Hell, the whole genre is regarded as offense oriented because you straight up can't ever win unless you attack. But the thing about guilty gears core philosophy of "don't be a bitch" hasn't stopped it from having diversity before. There's really no reason for every single character in the game to want to be a rush down character. You can be aggressive and defensive at the same time.
I was looking for the “On Guard” moves like from the previous Guilty Gear games. Oh wait... (3:49) ohh 😯 right. I’ve read it at the bottom of the screen. 😁✌️
Oh man all you guys making the haha funny “for her special she wields a gun” joke are so hilarious and original. Please allow me to retweet and updoot you, kings and queens of comedy. Oh man it feels so good to hear the same joke with no substance added for the 1000th time
A bit conflicted about her lost moves even though they were always somewhat divisive, but somehow the simplification of Youzensan's motion is the most surprising thing even if it shouldn't be. *A lot* of people are going to get murdered by instant overheads after she comes out, a lot more easily now.
I've been depressed, anxious and fucked up for a while now. This brings a little bit of light back in to my life. God damn it, games can save lives. Thank you, ArcSys, thank you, Ishiwatari sensei.
She started out as an unique defensive counter playstyle in the old guilty gear and now, she seems more of a straightforward close range basic rushdown with an "option" of a counter... then again, they completely redesigned Ram movelist as well so... I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
This'll be interesting. In XX and Xrd, Baiken always had the lowest meter gain in the game to compensate for the fact that she had meterless alpha counters. while the counters will be missed (a lot), if they're not there anymore doe that mean we get to play a version of Baiken with good meter gain?
This is definitely going to be my new main … I’ve been playing Ino but her lack of defensive options is killing me and by nature I am more of a defensive player so this looks perfect …. and also (cuz I suck) I struggle with the half circle forward motion on wake-up so it’s nice to see that her specials are just 2X quarter circle.
Tip: you can do 4236 instead of 41236 for half circles. Tap back and then do a quarter circle forward omitting down-back input. It can be easier to conceptualize the move like that
So that's how it feels to have your main simplified for strive, huh... man, I don't wanna be a doomer before even trying the character, but these changes made me really sad... no parries, no armored run, smaller tatami mat, she doesn't even feel that defensive anymore... the counter not working on projectiles felt like a punch in my gut... this isn't the character I was expecting... I really hope I change my mind once i start playing her again... I really, really do hope...
In this oversimplified take of the Strive they would clearly cripple certain traits of Baiken, for example, she with Azami would be a monster against Chipp, Ky and Sol, and Suzuran would defend projectiles from Ino and Mito, not to mention that she could run through Axl's chains, so clearly those moves of high variability, including the defensive counters would be removed. Appearance: Although I liked her reddish, spiky hair, the Strive characters in general underwent major changes so I was open to a more radical change in her, like her with her hair down or maybe without her black coat, so I was a little disappointed, in addition, the way she walks and the voice lines, made her look more edgy and stressed and she now sounds more focused and gloomy to me, which I liked. I play with Baiken since i had a PS1, so i have a lot of affection to the character, but i don't know what to think exactly right now.
You definitely have the right to feel the way you do. I kinda expected baiken to be simplified in strive so I'm not really to surprised but I can see why many fans are upset that she's a lot easier to use and have less options than her xrd and xx days.
We get this at some point this month and then King of Fighters XV in February 17th and then Leatherface film the same day. Scream 5 is also out. This year is going to have a lot of great stuff in all mediums.
I'm sort of mixed on this one. They seem to have pulled a Ramlethal where they changed the idea of her gameplay. She seems to have went from a character with a heavy focus on defense thanks to parries that comes with tatami offense, to a character that's mainly focused on offense with the tether, and only a bit of focus on defense with her counter and reversal super all for the sake of making her easier. Her tether seems like it could be cool, but as someone who really loved playing that defensive style in Xrd with Baiken, I'm very sad to see the focus on defensive play go like that. If they add a defensive parry-style character in the future I'll have to say Baiken was robbed of that. I'll still be playing her, but I don't think she'll take over Zato as my #1 main like I was expecting. I'll have to feel how she plays once she comes out to get my full opinion. Still sad to see my favorite defensive character and main from Xrd turned into an offensive character like that though.
At this point I just don’t care if they change or stay the same anymore. Almost every character that i use amongst multiple fighting games get drastically changed for every iteration. Im too lazy to be mad anymore.
Seriously Her animations in Strive is at it’s best! 🖤🖤 I know lots of fans say they miss her Xrd style and that she was better but honestly to me I say this would be the real Baiken’s fighting style, she’s fits to have an offensive fight than defensive. Like if Guilty Gear is an anime, I’d see Baiken fight like this than like in Xrd all day
I'm crying. I've been waiting for Baiken for so long because she was the only character with a truly defensive playstyle and now I just have no hope for finding a future character that matches my playstyle. Removing the crouching and aerial counter was a huge hit.
Not sure I like the fact they moved away her design from the defensive play she was known for. Parry followups and command run enabling them outside of parry was one of the fun part of her design for me. The parry mvoe she has in this game literally seem to exist as an afterthough legacy addition.
Yeah idk how to feel about it. But admitedly it removes the pain of fighting baiken and is prob healthier for the game. They could have kept the air claw tho....
@@poltergeistx The character was enabled for the fans before. She was on the character select screen. Just because simps don't wanna put in the time to learn her doesn't mean the character needs to be simplified. She wasn't even that hard to use before people are legit just lazy.
@@poltergeistx I just disagree with the notion that popular characters should be easy to use or that well designed, complex characters should be dumbed down because they're popular. That's all.
The rope mechanic seems cool but honestly she seems kinda lame compared to how she was in Xrd. I feel like they changed the stuff I found cool about her. Its fine though, I wasn't gonna play her over Happy Chaos anyways.
The tether mechanic is an interesting change, but a clever one. It's much less Baiken than her old style, but it doesn't throw away her entire concept. Though I had hoped she'd retain some kind of counter mechanic based on how high her Guard Meter is, but this is the first returning character that doesn't seem entirely alienated by redesigns.
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She traded her alpha counters for handcuffs. Interesting, can't wait to see how the tether effects her combo possibilities.
un avoidable grab roman cancel Tatami spam 😈
I can feel chip and Millia mains sweating
i suspect that the opponent might get a few combo routes as well. The wording makes it seem like a double edged sword and not necessarily specific to baiken. we'll have to see when shes in game though i guess
@@psd.3144 Yea giovanna players and potemkin players are gonna love it
You act like Strive has combo possibilities
Just wanna say shoutouts to the dev who completely whiffed the dust combo
If not for you, I would've completely missed it haha
3:45
Hi Tom
At least they got a hit in?..
The combo at 1:15 was so clean that it brought a tear to my eye...
Exactly omg! I’m really impressed with her new tools it’s making me speechless
Can't wait for your guide on her lol
@@stupidrose7118 all this dude does is release misinformation click bait on nrs games, don't get your hopes up.
@@Adaruan lmao
That combo wasn't clean at all, wtf?
Anji mains rejoicing in the baiken matchup. Happy Chaos players can't mess up in air tight strings now. One mess up 35% health gone from that counter 😭
Yeah. This is like a good counter to HC zoning. People still gonna find ways to counter it though
all i know is if i see that counter animation i'm using my gun
lol u make it sound like Anji s a good character
@fine um that was 35% on the highest defense and highest guts character. that will obliterate the squishies of the game.
@@Nawtyyy guts dont matter when you have full health tho
This will be interesting
Very interesting
When I saw the trailer, I was confused why they took the stab out of the grab, but damn, that’s actually a sick idea for a grab.
Kind of feel like it should be a command grab though
@fine leo enters backturn after grab as well and he's been fine so far
“Civilians Arrest… fuck off over there!”
XD
Well it turns out she does still have her old grab if you hold the button, for if you don't want to tether, which also delegitimizes my old comment because that's actually really sick.
I thought she would be more defence orientated that this but that tether mechanic looks really cool. I'm definitely going to give her a try.
@fine terrible person
Tether looks good but on certain characters would you really want to stay close to them?
@@thechugg4372 yep, seems to create oki situations that would be impossible otherwise (I think she did a backdash tatami which made it airborne cos of the tether) new higher damage combo routes too
I too expected her to at least be a parry character, alongside one counter move she has.
@@ButchLesbianSolBadguyyou only post negative stuff here eh 💀
I really like her new gimmick with the tether but I’m gonna really miss suzaran and the many parry follow ups
i’m not lol
fr her parry seems boring now but it makes her a lot more accessible
@@Slammatoro yeah I agree, it’s nice to see a more accessible gameplan especially after Jack-o and HC, but I’ll always miss all the counter follow ups
@@Slammatoro accessibility is not inherently a good thing.
@@alastor8091 not a bad thing either, it doesn't mean her skill ceiling will be low too
Hilarious. She used be known for annoying runaway, and now her gimmick is prevent runaways.
In the worlds of Bonesaw from Spider-Man (2002): ‘Hey freakshow, you’re goin’ nowhere!’
Annoying runaway? where? xD
@@paatwo Air back-dash into mat
She only needed to play keep away to build meter. Once she had that, those mats were flying your way lol
@@Carlitonsp1 only time People do that is when its not their turn, not really keepaway
She's gonna play a lot different than she used to. I'm actually hyped.
Like others, I'm gonna miss her old parry. Its guard cancel and follow ups were so cool, but I can see why they did it. I'm hoping she's as fun as she was before
Bro the guard cancel were gone since Xrd lmao. 💀
All you had in Xrd was a parry that was able to be used while blocking but not a straight up guard cancel in the full meaning of it.
I didn’t expect this on the same day as her trailer, not that I mind.
Her trailer dropped around christmas.
@@elkmeatenjoyer3409 that was a teaser
I think it's because of the leaks, maybe arcsystem said f it and just drop both at the same time
Rip azami follow-ups. They were so cool combo moves, you will be missed
This would not be the first time a character´s movement LOOKS simpler at a glance but is later revealed to be very complex, consider that she looks to recover very quickly from the parry, her number of options after it could easily be very very great.
Cope
@@denboix7524 truly cope, new parry looks trash
You know how it goes. This trash, that's trash, character bad, where's my copy paste wahhhhhhh, we gonna see once some real hands pilot.
@@Ock_mantis we´ll see right? Remember, Nago was trash right?
@@mikeas0216 I'm sorry you have to play the game I really am
Yeah, Baiken's gonna be a lot more accessible without having to memorize all her alpha counters.
I'm gonna miss classic Baiken playstyle, but I hope her new tether mechanic adds new depth.
Same here I loved the alpha counter but this is a cool idea as well
it wont.
@@Xenozillex new vegas fan headass
@@Xenozillex nobody forcing you to play strive go back xrd
@@eulasimp1038 more like: "go back to +R", since there's no rollback in Xrd.
ArcSys, please, you forgot about the middle child.
Huge Baiken Fan Can't Wait to Play Character For The First Time
may i suggest a "playing with one hand" joke next ?
lmao
@@user-ut4tk4ph5z May I suggest the never playing them again after trying and losing every time? (Of course this is a joke too)
@@pinksywedarnoc8017 The way of a true Baiken fan, yes.
@@pinksywedarnoc8017 you're describing maximillian dood 😆
From Alpha Counters to Parries and now, a proximity-based counter/reflect hybrid.
In addition to a more easily TK’ed Yozansen, a tether gimmick and a freaking flare gun super in exchange for Suzuran, I’d say her new kit looks promising for the most part.
Her Japanese voice Sounds incredible. Honestly ever character has fantastic voice acting, I feel like thats a very underrated thing about GG aesthetic wise
Her gameplay looks so easy now. We can definitely play her with only one hand.
You didn't already?
im gonna miss the suzuran, but this baiken surely looks fun too
Where is Kabari P ? I wanna disrespect people.
Having the trailer and the beginner guide at one day is like a Christmas all over again. Thanks, ArcSys!
“The force drawing them together grows more powerful the father they are apart”…as she’s pulling Anji…that HAD to be intentional :D
It’s disappointing to see her alpha counter gone but the tether looks really unique. Hopefully they make a new character they can give guard cancels to later. It’s a really unique archetype id love to see in this game.
No it’s not fun to fight against hope it never comes back
@@cham9480 it’s fun if you like doing more than the exact same flowchart every single offensive sequence
@@cham9480 Neither is Potemkin buster, or Millias insane mix-ups, or the random chance to slip on a banana.
It's not about being fun to fight against, it's about providing a matching toolset to a players playstyle.
@@chasemcfarland2851 Millia's mix-ups are one of the very few things that keep my brain in gear in this game.
@@diangelo786 I don't think you understand how oppressive her guard cancels were. She literally punished you for playing the game. She didn't prevent you from flowcharting, she prevented any guardstring AT ALL, lest you want to get comboed for huge damage for daring to try to attack her in blockstun. It's incredibly inane to fight against and is why her function was hated.
Potemkin: "I'm not tethered to you, you are tethered to ME"
Sucks that they removed her more defensive moves, but the tether seems pretty unique. Looking forward to trying it.
Hope they add some of her old moves in future updates/versions of the game.
Man the Teather'/Hand Cuff is really intresting! I cant wait to see how that works for setups and etc! Awesome Work!
The Baiken vs Happy Chaos match up is going to be really interesting. Hope she has a decent dash
Potemkin is licking his lips with the new Kabari changes
I love how Baiken's move list is on the simpler end of the spectrum when compared to the previous DLCs
They made her a lot easier to play. Kinda bummed they got rid of suzuran. Counter stance is different too but hopefully I can master her again.
thats because 95% of her "fans" couldnt play her, lol.
@@Xenozillex 95% of the fanbase can't play Jack-O or Happy Chaos either. They got the memo and backed off the mechanical complexity for now.
@@RicochetForce memo from who? People who thought the game was too hard? Why should they care? Should Dark soul devs also follow that memo?
@@Xenozillex a lot of people found the dlc characters to be too difficult, and nobody wants to pay for a very niche character. i personally like all the dlc characters, although I think jacko was pretty disappointing because of how complicated she was. arc sys knows that the dlc characters overall have been for a more niche audience, and they want their most popular character to be more accessible so that more people get to play her and they get more sales (no baiken, no buyken will be no more!)
@@RicochetForce I was more salty about Jack O because they took the easiest character to play in Xrd and made her the hardest in the game, and completely spit on her old playthrough just because she pissed off people who were shit at Xrd. If they wanted a shitty knock off Venom they should of just put in Venom.
Dang she's a lot more simplified than i thought she'd be.
No more Suzuran or parry follow-ups.
And focus seems to lean in to the aggressive side of things
Im definitely interested to see how she'll feel in-game tho
what were you expecting from Strive?
@@Xenozillex ☝THIS
@@Xenozillex To be fair, a lot of the characters in Strive still retained alot of their core design concept.
Leo is basically the same, being stance-based mix-up character
Sol is still heavily focused around his strike/throw mix
Even Jack-O retained her core concept of minion-based pressure
It's weird for a long-time legacy character to get the Ram treatment lol
@@nhall129 Yes, core, as in every iteration they took a big bite out of the juicy character and all we are left with is a useless apple core.
@@Xenozillex ok
Pot mains: A tether that keeps her close, eh?
Fufufufu...
I don’t know why, but that made me laugh to see her use all these attacks and then one of those specials is just whip out a gun and fire off a firework shell.
Indiana Jones would be proud.
Dude, same. All these fancy samurai moves and then she just pulls out the gat
@@breaka666 Isshin would be proud
It's like she spent so long mastering the blade, she just gets frustrated and takes the easy route.
@@breaka666 Samurais are mainly long range combatants. Like Bow and Arrow. When gunpowder became famous, Samurais also brought it to their arsenal. So yeah this is pretty accurate to actual Samurais. But I do get you're referring to the flashy movies/anime/games that usually depict Samurais as sword wielding badasses
After 10 years the baiken trailer is finally here
She may look like a counter character, but I think they where intending on making her also a reverse zoner of types. Yes she still has big zoner-ey moves like the mat and the blade circle, but if she tethers you, there isn't much you can do. As it was stated, only grabs and projectiles beat her counter. Most projectiles are too risky when your in the opponents face, so you can only grab or physically attack. This puts you in a risky situation, either you both grab and the grabs are canceled, your grab beats baiken's counter, or baiken's counter beats your attack. That's not accounting for other things like blocking, jumping, or Baiken attacking, but what I'm trying to say is what I think the developers are going for is a counter character that forces you into getting countered.
Yup, once you're tethered you're at a heavy disadvantage (especially if the character is a zoner or has slow startup moves).
Really shows the developers mentality with this game. They took their most notorious defensive character and said "yea, ya'll still have a counter, but unless you're British with JoJo powers we want you to go in"
Also the moves that knock your opponent back or hit them from a distance will combine with the spring-back function of the tether to bring them right to you
@@breaka666 they really did, it feels like this game has no defensive characters anymore... wait-
@@RicochetForce im still wondering how the Baiken Pot MU will be, I mean I'm sure Pot wouldn't mind being stuck to his target.
I think a lot of us understood that Baiken's traditional Alpha Counters would be game-breaking in Strive, and I'm not surprised to see them gone. I enjoy seeing the characters reimagined and redesigned, but it's always a little sad when the things that made a character unique in the old games aren't brought forward into new versions. I hope that over Strive's lifespan, they can continue to refine and magnify the unique elements of each character. To me, that uniqueness and diversity is part of the soul of Guilty Gear.
Preach. I like the initial vision for Strive and I think it worked out well. But if they can expand from here so that the theoretical Strive Rev 2 has a similar amount of options like Xrd that'll be dope. I want this game to grow as it goes
The uniqueness of a every character and how they all have their own crazy bs is what drew me to the series in the first place. Guess one could say the tehter is unique but it should've been reserved for a new character.
I'm glad to see that all her moves are so easy to perform, with no Z motions, just quarter and half circles. Knowing how popular the character is, this time you made her simple enough for fighting game newbies to immediately try out and enjoy. And I would imagine the assistance on combos in the form of tether will also be very helpful. Love it!
nah man i should just be able to push a button and the move works. i cant quarter circle, i've spent the last 420 hours trying my best and i just cant get it dude.
Ever day when I get home from work i practice and practice. it think my wife is gonna leave me
@@ohnoo4468 ok mr. gatekeeper
@@pance2992 how am I gate keeping? I’m just too stupid and lazy to learn how to do a simple motion input! Scouts honor!
I like how resourceful she is with her other gadgets and tools.
i was absolutely terrified of what yozanzen being changed from a dp to a quarter circle was going to do, but then breathed a sigh of relief when i learned she didn't have all her crazy defensive options
After all these years, she still can't decide, which of her arm is missing.
Ironically, I think the reason they mirror character sprites/models in fighting games originally was because of a one-armed character.
I did not expect baiken to have a gun
She had one in Rev2
She also has a cannon it’s her jump dust
Can't wait for the next character to be a grappler that pulls a Glock as a super for no reason whatsoever
For her neutral special...
She has 4 moves. Baiken has a command list of 4 moves
see y'all when Slayer drops
Where you at
Rip Alpha counters , one of the most fun things about Baiken.
I'm a bit sad that her playstyle is drastically gonna change. I always liked the defensive parry style of character.
Same. It looks like they made her parry just a random move now. Everything is going to be that tether rope from now on.
@@PR1ME98 Her gameplay just looks like Ranlethal but reverse. Where Ram wants to pin you to the wall with her range and moves. Baiken looks like she wants you to be closer with her range and moves.
If they do make a parry focus character... I'd feel like they robbed that off of Baiken.
you and exactly zero people who ever fought Baiken
@UC_bKwzEAqQ0Oz_t9AA899mg I can agree that a Baiken match up may make you drastically change how you play which was annoying but I think she's easier to deal with compared to Johnny or old Raven.
Agreed. This was disappointing. They want to make instant overhead super easy? Ok, fine.. but I will miss parry the most
Imagine the first Baiken player to try to use Kabari against Potemkin and immediately regret their life choices.
Youzansen is now 236 instead of 623, probably to make TK easier
And with the dash macro, IAD Tatami and Kire Tatami will be more common at mid-level
Assuming the tether doesn't disappear when Baiken gets hit. that means every character could have tether combos that they can do to Baiken.
Imagine Goldlewis with tether combos.
He could potentially do his behemoth typhoon wallbounce combos midscreen.
dear god
Oh dear.
Thank you! This looks awesome! Now all we need is Johnny, Slayer and Kum Haehyun! :D
baiken i mean, not johnny/slayer/kum.....
I like the voice acting that I was able to hear here. She sounds powerful and angry.
Very interesting, she is super diferent, but still looks fun to play. No doubt people will complain that the character is btuchered etc etc
She is lol
They took Baiken the defensive lightweight goofball and turned her into Baiken: the normal ass character.
Which is honestly fine for Strive.
Brought back the AC super but instead of "the tatami gun" its just "the gun" and honestly im here for it.
This is baiken only in name and appearance
I just realized what the Kabari Tether reminds me of: Pro Wrestling Strap Matches like the one Hogan did the "Yapapi strap" promo for.
亞坐身と爵走…その派生技もボツってしまったのか……
4 MOVES?! SLAYER AND JHONNY MAINS, BRACE FOR IMPACT
People miss the parry already. At least Baiken is here and has Hiiragi as counter
They are testing people's loyalty. She's always been a hard character to play but now that she's easier, people better put their money where their waifu is.
@@tokyobassist my only loyalty was to defense. Hiiragi looks like good damage but now I have to wait for Jam to (hopefully) be released to get a more useful parry. That is, even they don't just remove it if she's ever released.
For a game like GG, who's core motto has always been about the freedom of expression, it's feels really bad to just out right remove the most defensive tools in the series.
@@chasemcfarland2851 well strive is a very offense-oriented game, so i unfortunately doubt that they’ll make very defense-oriented characters. hopefully they add other follow ups and/or parries to baiken in later updates similar to how they added the afro-hair-paper-bag-bomb to faust
@@m4xy. The whole series is regarded as being Offense oriented. Hell, the whole genre is regarded as offense oriented because you straight up can't ever win unless you attack.
But the thing about guilty gears core philosophy of "don't be a bitch" hasn't stopped it from having diversity before. There's really no reason for every single character in the game to want to be a rush down character. You can be aggressive and defensive at the same time.
@@chasemcfarland2851 i agree that’s what they should do, i’m just saying i doubt that’s what arc sys is aiming for with strive
I was looking for the “On Guard” moves like from the previous Guilty Gear games. Oh wait... (3:49) ohh 😯 right. I’ve read it at the bottom of the screen. 😁✌️
Oh man all you guys making the haha funny “for her special she wields a gun” joke are so hilarious and original. Please allow me to retweet and updoot you, kings and queens of comedy. Oh man it feels so good to hear the same joke with no substance added for the 1000th time
:^l
@Uchechi Godwin-Offor For her neutral special…
Baiken defends her right to be annoyed at an unfunny and dead joke being repeated at nauseam
0:25 IT RETURNS.
The Spam is real.
A bit conflicted about her lost moves even though they were always somewhat divisive, but somehow the simplification of Youzensan's motion is the most surprising thing even if it shouldn't be. *A lot* of people are going to get murdered by instant overheads after she comes out, a lot more easily now.
妖斬扇がまさに妖的なエフェクトに。全体的に気？のエフェクトが紫でかっこいい。
I've been depressed, anxious and fucked up for a while now. This brings a little bit of light back in to my life. God damn it, games can save lives. Thank you, ArcSys, thank you, Ishiwatari sensei.
She started out as an unique defensive counter playstyle in the old guilty gear and now, she seems more of a straightforward close range basic rushdown with an "option" of a counter... then again, they completely redesigned Ram movelist as well so... I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Narrator: "...can't counter throws or projectiles."
Me: "Oh but you didn't say nuthin' about overdrives."
Ah, good to see you fellow parrier of oncoming trucks on the highway lol
So Kabari is Tager Magnetism and the counter does Tager Buster damage. We grapplin now boiz, get your paint ready.
Kinda hoped they wouldn't simplify her that much... R.I.P. Suzuran
My backlog is impressed. Then it remembers KOF15 and Sifu and it gets salty & overwhelmed.
This'll be interesting. In XX and Xrd, Baiken always had the lowest meter gain in the game to compensate for the fact that she had meterless alpha counters. while the counters will be missed (a lot), if they're not there anymore doe that mean we get to play a version of Baiken with good meter gain?
*Tethers to Axl*
"Oh no, this isn't good."
*Tethers to Potemkin*
"So you have chosen death."
I like her English voice, but boy am I glad that “TATAMI GAESHI” is back
kinda okayish, but lost the samurai-like, since you know, english
@@ikhwaneivan4303 This video uses the Japanese voices
anji they took my fucking parry anji
I am in love... with the scenery of the new stage. Oh and the new character looks cool to
Her animations are amazing. You can almost feel how hard she is hitting them.
As a Potemkin player, i really like that counter
Never expected Guilty Gear to use something from Knuckles Chaotix.
Lol
Her kit looks a lot easier to grasp than Xrd. Maybe I'll actually become a Baiken man in game and not you know where.
Why not both in and out of the game?😏
For her double quarter circle back punch, she wields a gun
This is definitely going to be my new main … I’ve been playing Ino but her lack of defensive options is killing me and by nature I am more of a defensive player so this looks perfect …. and also (cuz I suck) I struggle with the half circle forward motion on wake-up so it’s nice to see that her specials are just 2X quarter circle.
Tip: you can do 4236 instead of 41236 for half circles. Tap back and then do a quarter circle forward omitting down-back input. It can be easier to conceptualize the move like that
Dang the handcuff stuff is sick👌🏾👌🏾
So that's how it feels to have your main simplified for strive, huh... man, I don't wanna be a doomer before even trying the character, but these changes made me really sad... no parries, no armored run, smaller tatami mat, she doesn't even feel that defensive anymore... the counter not working on projectiles felt like a punch in my gut... this isn't the character I was expecting...
I really hope I change my mind once i start playing her again... I really, really do hope...
it is cool that there are actually tatamis on the ground when talking about tatamis
In this oversimplified take of the Strive they would clearly cripple certain traits of Baiken, for example, she with Azami would be a monster against Chipp, Ky and Sol, and Suzuran would defend projectiles from Ino and Mito, not to mention that she could run through Axl's chains, so clearly those moves of high variability, including the defensive counters would be removed.
Appearance: Although I liked her reddish, spiky hair, the Strive characters in general underwent major changes so I was open to a more radical change in her, like her with her hair down or maybe without her black coat, so I was a little disappointed, in addition, the way she walks and the voice lines, made her look more edgy and stressed and she now sounds more focused and gloomy to me, which I liked.
I play with Baiken since i had a PS1, so i have a lot of affection to the character, but i don't know what to think exactly right now.
You definitely have the right to feel the way you do. I kinda expected baiken to be simplified in strive so I'm not really to surprised but I can see why many fans are upset that she's a lot easier to use and have less options than her xrd and xx days.
We get this at some point this month and then King of Fighters XV in February 17th and then Leatherface film the same day. Scream 5 is also out. This year is going to have a lot of great stuff in all mediums.
I'm sort of mixed on this one. They seem to have pulled a Ramlethal where they changed the idea of her gameplay. She seems to have went from a character with a heavy focus on defense thanks to parries that comes with tatami offense, to a character that's mainly focused on offense with the tether, and only a bit of focus on defense with her counter and reversal super all for the sake of making her easier. Her tether seems like it could be cool, but as someone who really loved playing that defensive style in Xrd with Baiken, I'm very sad to see the focus on defensive play go like that. If they add a defensive parry-style character in the future I'll have to say Baiken was robbed of that. I'll still be playing her, but I don't think she'll take over Zato as my #1 main like I was expecting. I'll have to feel how she plays once she comes out to get my full opinion. Still sad to see my favorite defensive character and main from Xrd turned into an offensive character like that though.
Can’t wait to be tied-up by Baiken!
ayo?
LMAO
Down bad but understandable
@@dado_the_dodo1558 how is being tied up by a beautiful, busty japanese woman down bad? okay man sheesh she has one arm, don't be rude, look past it !
Forgiven due to DOOM pfp
Her moveset and concept has been so streamlined, which could make it quite powerful imo.
Arc Sys: Makes one of their hardest waifu's easier to play
SNK: Doesn't change their hardest waifu at all, and is still as difficult as hell
And SNK is more of a man for it.
At this point I just don’t care if they change or stay the same anymore. Almost every character that i use amongst multiple fighting games get drastically changed for every iteration. Im too lazy to be mad anymore.
@@PR1ME98 "Too lazy to be mad" is something I need to learn.
So they threw out her old counter specials and replaced it with a simple counter throw. Amazing. The new rope mechanic looks interesting at least.
Baiken looks sick but omg those maps are beautiful
She looks so good! Can’t wait to duke it out with Nago for a Samurai battle!!
Im considering using Nago (hes my second main) for the next couple days.
Just so we can have samurai style battles lol
One gap in your strings and here comes the parry. You have 3 days to lab a counterplay.
Seriously Her animations in Strive is at it’s best! 🖤🖤
I know lots of fans say they miss her Xrd style and that she was better but honestly to me I say this would be the real Baiken’s fighting style, she’s fits to have an offensive fight than defensive.
Like if Guilty Gear is an anime, I’d see Baiken fight like this than like in Xrd all day
I'm crying. I've been waiting for Baiken for so long because she was the only character with a truly defensive playstyle and now I just have no hope for finding a future character that matches my playstyle. Removing the crouching and aerial counter was a huge hit.
1:55 Girl is still using the bazoongas to break her fall
huh
Shes so damn cool, I'm hoping Jam comes eventually
Baiken: **Uses Kabari** "You're not getting away from me!"
Potemkin Mains: "Why, Thank you! :) "
i play potemkin. in 2011 i saw a woman being dragged away by five men and i did nothing to stop it
Not sure I like the fact they moved away her design from the defensive play she was known for.
Parry followups and command run enabling them outside of parry was one of the fun part of her design for me. The parry mvoe she has in this game literally seem to exist as an afterthough legacy addition.
Yeah idk how to feel about it. But admitedly it removes the pain of fighting baiken and is prob healthier for the game. They could have kept the air claw tho....
Is it me or does she have some of the most aesthetically pleasing moves in any fighting game
you are just looking at her breasts. creepo
She seems a lot easier to play than before... Which is good, considering how popular she is.
How is it good? Now all you're gonna see is Baiken online.
@@MrAllBlack015 So if a character is good and is enabled for the fans, which will get more people into the game is a bad thing? Ok.
@@poltergeistx The character was enabled for the fans before. She was on the character select screen. Just because simps don't wanna put in the time to learn her doesn't mean the character needs to be simplified. She wasn't even that hard to use before people are legit just lazy.
@@MrAllBlack015 I get what you say but it just comes out as you coming from a "fighting game purist" mindset.
@@poltergeistx I just disagree with the notion that popular characters should be easy to use or that well designed, complex characters should be dumbed down because they're popular. That's all.
I have exactly two very big reasons to play her.
The rope mechanic seems cool but honestly she seems kinda lame compared to how she was in Xrd. I feel like they changed the stuff I found cool about her. Its fine though, I wasn't gonna play her over Happy Chaos anyways.
The tether mechanic is an interesting change, but a clever one. It's much less Baiken than her old style, but it doesn't throw away her entire concept. Though I had hoped she'd retain some kind of counter mechanic based on how high her Guard Meter is, but this is the first returning character that doesn't seem entirely alienated by redesigns.