Highways legislation indicates these specific traffic signs are civil matters, not criminal, and are the responsibility of Council's Civil Enforcement Officers. Allegedly.
@@darkstatehk yep, as well as making regulations and taking powers without bothering to enforce, which makes it much more unsafe than just being a road where pedestrians know they need to look out for vehicles
@ I think it’s all in my original post. So here we go. 1. If you were to drive in the restricted area to collect your food that is domestic use 2. If a Uber driver who is licensed for hire and reward dose the exact same thing drives on the restricted area because he has been hired to collect & delivery that food as a business. He also has a different level of insurance because his is hire and reward plus public liability of up to 2 million pounds (commercial insurance) 3. Even though it’s a Pizza like the parking enforcement said (commercial loading) is allowed 10 minutes to load. It’s not commercial loading when you fetch your own pizza is it? It’s private collection for personal consumption, so it’s matter less whether it’s a Pizza a piece of furniture or whatever. I hope this helps. What the council are saying is it’s commercial use only.
@@paulwatson9217 It's all a mess, Paul. Despite the imposition through law, it is unenforced and unenforceable. It looks like courier and delivery drivers are classed as loading from what I can tell, but many use the area as a rat run without "loading" and for parking up while waiting to see if they have something to pick up. As for taxi drivers, it's even more convoluted. If there's lots of luggage that the driver helps to pick up/drop off, it might be loading. But some claim that merely picking up or dropping off passengers is also loading. Bottom line: no one can be stopped, it can't be enforced, it can't be proven what has happened, and pedestrian safety is at risk (because they think they are safe but are not, especially hearing or sight impaired or disabled or children).
@ I totally agree with you and do not condone any abuse of the rules. After that said to say the rules are unenforceable is a little ambiguous to say the least! What the council really means is they don’t want to invest the time and money into policing it correctly and neither do your local police. It’s a shame because councils have unlimited money and resources for the things that aren’t important to the public round there but don’t deal with the real issues like this. Lastly what’s the point in having rules and regulations they aren’t willing to enforce?
@@paulwatson9217 Exactly. That's now my view of it. It looks like I won't be doing it anymore as it is very unlikely I can "prove" that I can do what I am doing, and others might be able to accuse, maybe even "prove", that I am causing a breach of the peace.
I have come over after seeing you on Mr Inbetween's Channel. Great work.
Thanks very much
Its the same all over England, give the power back to the Police and Traffic wardens.
@@NorthWestOutlaws None accept it. Rather strange.
if you disobey a road sign deliberately then that's a traffic offence, so that should be a police matter, The trouble is they can't be bothered!!
Highways legislation indicates these specific traffic signs are civil matters, not criminal, and are the responsibility of Council's Civil Enforcement Officers. Allegedly.
Seems to me they like to be in their comfort zones. Sat on their ass being paid to do nothing.
@@darkstatehk yep, as well as making regulations and taking powers without bothering to enforce, which makes it much more unsafe than just being a road where pedestrians know they need to look out for vehicles
If it’s a uber driver he is been paid to collect and deliver so it’s commercial loading. But it doesn’t give them cart blanch to drive the wrong way.
I’m not convinced but I’m willing to be persuaded
@ I think it’s all in my original post.
So here we go.
1. If you were to drive in the restricted area to collect your food that is domestic use
2. If a Uber driver who is licensed for hire and reward dose the exact same thing drives on the restricted area because he has been hired to collect & delivery that food as a business. He also has a different level of insurance because his is hire and reward plus public liability of up to 2 million pounds (commercial insurance)
3. Even though it’s a Pizza like the parking enforcement said (commercial loading) is allowed 10 minutes to load. It’s not commercial loading when you fetch your own pizza is it? It’s private collection for personal consumption, so it’s matter less whether it’s a Pizza a piece of furniture or whatever. I hope this helps. What the council are saying is it’s commercial use only.
@@paulwatson9217 It's all a mess, Paul. Despite the imposition through law, it is unenforced and unenforceable.
It looks like courier and delivery drivers are classed as loading from what I can tell, but many use the area as a rat run without "loading" and for parking up while waiting to see if they have something to pick up.
As for taxi drivers, it's even more convoluted. If there's lots of luggage that the driver helps to pick up/drop off, it might be loading. But some claim that merely picking up or dropping off passengers is also loading.
Bottom line: no one can be stopped, it can't be enforced, it can't be proven what has happened, and pedestrian safety is at risk (because they think they are safe but are not, especially hearing or sight impaired or disabled or children).
@ I totally agree with you and do not condone any abuse of the rules. After that said to say the rules are unenforceable is a little ambiguous to say the least! What the council really means is they don’t want to invest the time and money into policing it correctly and neither do your local police. It’s a shame because councils have unlimited money and resources for the things that aren’t important to the public round there but don’t deal with the real issues like this. Lastly what’s the point in having rules and regulations they aren’t willing to enforce?
@@paulwatson9217 Exactly. That's now my view of it. It looks like I won't be doing it anymore as it is very unlikely I can "prove" that I can do what I am doing, and others might be able to accuse, maybe even "prove", that I am causing a breach of the peace.