1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man,But its end is the way of death.
Hay.. maging careful sa mga pinaniniwalaan ninyo. Kahit anong sabihin ng iba tungkol sa G12, ang importante kung ano ba talaga ang nadidiscern mong katotohanan sa relationship niyo kay God. Let's not destroy one another and have debates.. Nanggaling nako sa napakaraming churches, at ang G12 ay isa sa mga very fruitful and great way to bring souls back to Christ. Wag tayo maging bias, oo.. may mga churches na may kaunting pagkakamali, pero si God na bahala sa kanila. Let's just help one another, and let us not have a crab mentality. Let's be open, careful, and be truth seekers. God bless us all po.
Growing in numbers in the church doesnt mean that all that is in there is really born again christian. For me, quality is more important than quantity unless that church is always depends on money. The more quantity, the more tithes they will received. Or church that is really concern in spiritual. Beware of false teacher. 🙏😇
I am a young person and nakilala ko si Lord gamit ang isang G12 church in our city. All I can say is that I will never know the Lord and even be interested in the Word of God kung hindi dahil sa mga radical sa church na ito. And all I can see sa mga G12 church ay they put emphasis on winning people and discipling them the way Jesus them. All other churches in our city are focusing on their members inside and doesn't even bother to look for the lost. G12 is a strategy for church growth, I cannot understand how it became a cult. Brainwashed? No. Before you call people/organization names maybe you should contemplate on the impact it is making. Winning people to Jesus is never wrong.
our chursh wa connected to g12 but our pastor said that Do not always focus on g12 it was only a strategy to bring more souls to Jesus therefore be more focused on Jesus because He was the only way
My auntie attended one of your session in Novaliches and she felt like it is a cult.They asked for 500 peso fee aside from the tithes and offerings, they gave her sopas to eat while the leaders eat rice meals. MLM style recruiting, need to invite 12 people who will also pay 500. Why?
The most important is to teach everything that is in the Bible, huwag magdagdag at huwag magbawas. Teach your doctrines not your strategies to influence people.
Saan sa Bible na sinabing ang goal ng mga disciples e "world conquest"? "Go and make disciples of all nations" ang sabi, it's not about conquest kasi sabi din ni Jesus na "you will be hated by the world because of Me", the world will hate His followers because they are not of this world. Saan sa Bible na sinabing lahat maging disciple? Namiss nya yata ang Romans 12 at 1 Corinthians 12. Ang sinasabi ay ang priesthood ng lahat ng believers, ibig sabihin lahat pwede ishare ang Gospel message, hindi yung kailangan meron ka ding 12 disciples of your own. May 12 disciples si Jesus pero hindi nya command na dapat may 12 disciples lahat ng believers, wala sa Bible na kinailangan ni John, Paul, Peter, etc. ng 12 na disciples, pati ang mga sumonod sa kanila gaya ni Polycarp. Sa mga early Christian writings wala kang mababasang ganon. Isang kahambugan na parang sabihing may namiss na modelo para sa church ang mga early Christians na nadiskobre lamang ngayon ng G12, na mali ang discipleship ng mga ibang Christian brothers. Fact is direct revelation daw ni God kay Castillanos ang G12 system na yan na importante daw para sa churches ngayon. Meaning extra Biblical message from God. Bakit hindi yun ang sabihin "pastor" na yan sa lahat lalo na sa mga siniseminar nila? At saan sa Bible na sinabing kailang ng different stages ng "Encounter" sa buhay ng isang believer na required para sya ay maging disciple ayon sa G12? At saan sa Bible na sinabing kailang ng believer na magbigay ng pera kung ikaw ay bagong recruit ng isang "disciple" o sasali sa seminar at iba pang gathering ng movement na yan? Indeed, G12 is more about "conquest", "growth/paglago/quantity", "prosperity/success", "money" than about Jesus of the Bible and preaching of faith, repentance, and the undeserved grace of God through Christ our Lord for us sinners. P.s. kayong G12, kung talagang about Jesus kayo, mag-evangelize kayo ng mga talagang lost souls, yun ang totoong challenge sa inyo. Hindi yung pupunta kayo ng ibang churces at dun magrerecruit ng members nyo, worse, gagatasan nyo ng P500 each kada punta nila sainyo.
Sa dami mong alam, kahit si Jesus naguhuluhan sa sinabi mo. Simple lang ang gustong ipabatid ni Pastor Oriel, dami mong pasikot sikot. Masyadong mong kinakaliwa yung simpleng bagay.
I'm on a G12 church. But I don't really feel the way they emphasis their doctrines. Let's get real about this. Those G12 churches without a single doubt has bigger members than those that are not. They always want to have disciples. . .disciples. . .disciples. . .whereas, wala naman masama sa discipleship for it is included in the Bible. But the thing is, I wanted to search for something more spiritually beautiful than seeing a lot of crowds gathering in a church or fellowship. Marami ngang members at madaling umunlad, but how about their spiritual aspects of life? Lahat ba un ay talagang saved? Or akala lang nila saved sila just because dumaan sila sa discipleship? Puro experience lang ba? Di tayo mapapatibay ng worldy experience. It saddens me so hard. :( ... Being a g12 members requires discipleship process. But always remember that Salvation is the gatepass to be with God and not discipleship. I'm not saying that G12 is cultic. It is a great way if you want your church to grow. Still, DEEP PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with God together with the members who will help you know more about Him is the true act of simple step towards salvation. God bless!
I came to know Jesus last 2010. because someone share the of God. under the system of G12. Marami po ako naririnig. kaso binabalewala ko po yumg issue na negative about G12. Sa totoo lang po, grabe yung ginawa ng Lord sa buhay ko at sa family. not because of G12. but because of the movement na madala sa Lord ang mga tao NEED si Jesus. Now, I am one of the Primary leader in our church after 8years. At MASAYA akong nagserserve. kasi wala naman masamang tinuturo. :) And about discipleship, I am enjoying it. lalo na nakikita mo mga taong nababago din at ginagamit ng Lord. again, its not the g12. We thank God for the system na nilagay niya. So that, may sinsundan kaming process. Thank You Jesus. :)
I suggest to you to watch Justin peter to see the true gospel baka nadadala Kalang nang emotions mo kaya ka ganyang galing din ako nang G12 dati kala lahat o.k pero kapag lumalalim ka tlg sa DIYOS ilalayo ka nya sa mga making turo and he will open your eyes
Thnaks Bishop Oriel . GOD Bless you MORE ..Sa mga nag haatag og bad comment If steel you can Judge other your Immature Christian. But if you are founded to the love of LORD you cant judge other .
Huwag kang magpaloko sa mga sa mga bulaang profeta, kapatid! Hindi nila naiintindihan ang katotohanan ng salita ng Dios sa bibliya. Kung naintindihan nila ang salita ng Dios, sila'y ay magbibigkas ng katotohan ng Dios. Ang totoong Salita ng Dios ay nagtutukoy ng KASALANAN, EMPYERNO, KALIGTASAN, LANGIT, PAGMAMAHAL SA ATING PANGINOON, PAGMAMAHAL NG DIOS SA ATIN, ESPERITONG BANAL. Hebreo 13:5 Ang pamumuhay ninyo ay dapat walang pag-ibig sa salapi. Masiyahan na kayo sa mga bagay na taglay ninyo sapagkat sinabi ng Diyos: Kailanman ay hindi kita iiwan at kailanman ay hindi kita pababayaan 1 Timoteo 6:10 Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND) Ito ay sapagkat ang pag-ibig sa salapi ang ugat sa lahat ng uri ng kasamaan. Ang ilang tao na nagpupumilit na makamtan ito ay naligaw palayo sa pananampalataya. Maraming pagdadalamhati ang lumalagos sa kanilang mga sarili.
Our GOD whom we serve who is the creature of heaven and the earth and all things in it,Is still GOD the same yesterday, today, and forever and there no such thing as today's view of some church that is less to preach because some of the event is not applicable today. This is not the issue how to win the crowd by flattering word to deceived people of their personal interest but how to guide the soul of men that will not lead to HELL. Matthew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
if you really understand the heart of God it's a heart for the souls may dalawang taong nag gg12 ung isa ginagawa Lang without love just for number but the true g12 is the person who loves the Lord and loves the people, kung Hindi maintindihan ang g12 d wag nalang tayong magsalita dahil wal naman masma
@@tutswright1327 true, d gusto ng prosperity gospel pero d rin gusto mag hirap, tinuruan naman tayo na dapat di sinasapuso yung kayamanan at alam natin san gagamitin ito para sa kaluwalhatian ng Diyos.
Discipleship is there to make the church grow. But deep personal relationship with our Lord is the true salvation that will make your "New You" grow as a follower of Jesus. I'm on a G12 church but then I'm not spiritually satisfied. I'm greatly honored everytime I see a lot of crowds on a g12 events or fellowships. But then napansin ko it's all about discipleship and experiences toward the happenings in our surroundings. It saddens me to think that to be a g12 member requires entering the process of discipleship amd many others for years!. Why does man makes it more complicated? :( ... But then, to be a part of Jesus Christ only requires Salvation. :( ... I hope that each and everyone of us will findbthe truth that discipleship was spoken by Christ himself to make the churches grow. But to maintain the members' faith in Him is through personal connection with God. G12 surely focuses on garnering crowds than to make each individuals grow.
Manipulators using God words to enrich the pastors. G12 has no church, what growns in G12 is their bellys and bank accounts. Stay away from these liars.
Huwag kang magpaloko sa mga sa mga bulaang profeta, kapatid! Hindi nila naiintindihan ang katotohanan ng salita ng Dios sa bibliya. Kung naintindihan nila ang salita ng Dios, sila'y ay magbibigkas ng katotohan ng Dios. Ang totoong Salita ng Dios ay nagtutukoy ng KASALANAN, EMPYERNO, KALIGTASAN, LANGIT, PAGMAMAHAL SA ATING PANGINOON, PAGMAMAHAL NG DIOS SA ATIN, ESPERITONG BANAL! Hebreo 13:5 Ang pamumuhay ninyo ay dapat walang pag-ibig sa salapi. Masiyahan na kayo sa mga bagay na taglay ninyo sapagkat sinabi ng Diyos: Kailanman ay hindi kita iiwan at kailanman ay hindi kita pababayaan 1 Timoteo 6:10 Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND) Ito ay sapagkat ang pag-ibig sa salapi ang ugat sa lahat ng uri ng kasamaan. Ang ilang tao na nagpupumilit na makamtan ito ay naligaw palayo sa pananampalataya. Maraming pagdadalamhati ang lumalagos sa kanilang mga sarili.
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep
50 mins video about church growth without any verse from the bible that support his talk? Tinuruan ba ni Jesus disciple nya mag form ng 12? Kung totoo sino 12 na disciple ni peter? Ni John? Sino 12 disciple ni Apostle Paul? Kung importate ung 12 12 na un dapat isusulat un, gaya sa OT na iniisa isa ang pangalan.. At isa pa hndi b dapat DISCIPLE ni jesus, tutulungan natin ang mga tao maging disciple ni Jesus... Hndi yung disciple natin? Natin??? Disciple ko? Disciple nya?? Hndi ba dapat disciple ni Jesus?
Then for you what is right teachings? Please state your claim before you acuse something or someone. Read Matthew 28:19-20 then your questions will be answered. Also read the bible. Thank you.
I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. 1 Corinthians 4:6
to those people na nagsasabi ng mga negative about G12, LET ME REMIND YOU. HINDI MAGIGING PROSPEROUS YUNG CHURCH IF DI YAN BINI BLESS NI LORD. WHAT I MEAN IS, G12 IS A GREAT SYSTEM. WINNING SOULS AND MAKING DISCIPLES IS A MUST. THE VISION OF PEOPLE MUST BE THE VISION OF OUR GOD FIRST.. DI NYOLANG NAINTINDIHAN NG MAIGI ANG G12 SYSTEM. YOU JUST KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT G12 BUT NOT ALL ABOUT G12.
+jojo navj thee is only one form of discipleship and it was laid out quite clearly by Jesus and G12 is not it. Why are you people so ignorant that you believe everything this man says without even questioning it or checking it out in the bible?
Sa Bible walang itunuro si Lord ng magdisciple ka ng 12, pero bakit may 12 Sya? Walang nakasulat na nag utos sa Kanya ang Ama 12 dapat ang disipulo Nya. Tanong po, may ginawa po si Jesus na naisip lang nyang gawin o lahat ng ginawa Nya ay kalooban o utos ng Kanyang Tatay na nasa langit? John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. NIV
Jesus clearly stated in Matthew 28:19 that "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"... not "Therefore go and make 12 DISCIPLES of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"... God commissioned us to make disciples of all nations. The word disciples is plural so its up to us to how many people we can disciple as long us it is in accordance to his will and purpose. but youre G12 is limiting it to 12.. Hope you can see those things and think again...
Maging maingat na lang. Maging c satanas ay pede magkunwari anghel ng kaliwanagan. Kaya nya i twist ang salita ni Lord. Walang masama sa magparami ng member. Ano ba talaga ang layunin bakit gusto magparami ng member? Kung ang layon ay para dumami ang koleksiyon, hindi tama motibo. Sabi ni apostol Pablo, di kami katulad ng iba na kinakalakal ang salita ng Diyos. 2 corinto 2:17; Isaias 56:11. Marami kc ngaun na lider ng mga relihiyon, kongregasyon namumuhay sa maluhong buhay. Ang kinakasangkapan anh Salita ng Diyos.
Kesa magcomment ng masama kay Bishop Oriel why don't you just check yourselves Kung May mga bunga ba kayo. Puro negatibo eh Wala namang nagagawa para kay Lord.
Do Not Judge …2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye?…
Ang daming nagmamagaling dito. Akala mo katulad nung karaming nalalaman ng nagsasalita. At least that man is making an action rather than puro salita at paninira ng kapwa. Pag ang anak mo napabarkada sa mga tambay reklamo, mapasama di mga adik reklamo. Itong mamah gumagawa ng mga bagay in line with discipling the next generation for Jesus and national transformation as he said "world conquest" for Jesus tapos kayo puro paninira. Ang gagaling nyo magsalita, bakit kayo what have you already done for our generation? For others? For the youth? Baka naman kaya walang masabing masama sa inyo kasi wala rin naman kayong ginagawang malasakit. Di ko sya literal pinagtatanggol although I sounds like I am. Besides this kind of man with that kind of vision will only be a lil bit sad after reading these bad comments for a while then ipapasa Diyos nya lang din lahat yan. After that tatawanan nya nalang lahat yan tapos babalik sa ipinapagawa ng Diyos sa kanya. Bago kayo magsalita ng kung anu anu tanungin nyo muna sarili nyo, kamusta ang relasyon nyo sa Diyos? Anu ang ginagawa nyong effort to win souls. Kung wala naman eh wag kaung kumuha ng papel sa eksena bilang kuntrabida sa G12 vision nila.
Huwag kang magpaloko sa mga sa mga bulaang profeta, kapatid! Hindi nila naiintindihan ang katotohanan ng salita ng Dios sa bibliya. Kung naintindihan nila ang salita ng Dios, sila'y ay magbibigkas ng katotohan ng Dios. Ang totoong Salita ng Dios ay nagtutukoy ng KASALANAN, EMPYERNO, KALIGTASAN, LANGIT, PAGMAMAHAL SA ATING PANGINOON, PAGMAMAHAL NG DIOS SA ATIN, ESPERITONG Hebreo 13:5 Ang pamumuhay ninyo ay dapat walang pag-ibig sa salapi. Masiyahan na kayo sa mga bagay na taglay ninyo sapagkat sinabi ng Diyos: Kailanman ay hindi kita iiwan at kailanman ay hindi kita pababayaan 1 Timoteo 6:10 Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND) Ito ay sapagkat ang pag-ibig sa salapi ang ugat sa lahat ng uri ng kasamaan. Ang ilang tao na nagpupumilit na makamtan ito ay naligaw palayo sa pananampalataya. Maraming pagdadalamhati ang lumalagos sa kanilang mga sarili.
Cesar castillano was a drug money laundering so called church. To divert drug money so it can be deposited to a bank and make it legal money. G12 is nothing about Gods words, its about getting more money from idiots members.
Puro paliwanag lang ala naman Bible verse.. parang ganito lang yan eh.. meron akong jewerly namay Guinto at may Diamond ang ganda Sobrang ganda Siyempre ikaw naman maniniwala kasi tlgang maganda at maaamaze ka sa bagay naun.. parang ganon lang
Tama ka bro. Huwag kang magpaloko sa mga sa mga bulaang profeta, kapatid! Hindi nila naiintindihan ang katotohanan ng salita ng Dios sa bibliya. Kung naintindihan nila ang salita ng Dios, sila'y ay magbibigkas ng katotohan ng Dios. Ang totoong Salita ng Dios ay nagtutukoy ng KASALANAN, EMPYERNO, KALIGTASAN, LANGIT, PAGMAMAHAL SA ATING PANGINOON, PAGMAMAHAL NG DIOS SA ATIN, ESPERITONG BANAL. Hebreo 13:5 Ang pamumuhay ninyo ay dapat walang pag-ibig sa salapi. Masiyahan na kayo sa mga bagay na taglay ninyo sapagkat sinabi ng Diyos: Kailanman ay hindi kita iiwan at kailanman ay hindi kita pababayaan 1 Timoteo 6:10 Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND) Ito ay sapagkat ang pag-ibig sa salapi ang ugat sa lahat ng uri ng kasamaan. Ang ilang tao na nagpupumilit na makamtan ito ay naligaw palayo sa pananampalataya. Maraming pagdadalamhati ang lumalagos sa kanilang mga sarili.
Jesus' vision is not "world conquest" (1:12), it is "saving the world", in John 3:16 states that "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Sinabi ni bro. Oriel wala daw sa Bible ang gift na kunti at gift na marami (3:33), basahin po natin ang Matthew 25:14-15 (The Parable of the Talents) “For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey." Bro. Oriel should promote discipleship as a lifestyle of every believer in Christ and he should cite specific Bible verses to support his claims.
world conquest ibig sabihin nya. win the world tru peaching the Gospel & Discipleship. dalawa lang nmn ang pinagagawa sa atin Preach the Gospel and make Disciple. pag pinakingkan mo b yung buong msg? its all about discipleship. Jesus started sa 12 person n naging disciple dahil sa 12 na dinisipulo ni Hesus kumalat ang magandang balita sa buong mundo. ikaw ilan naba yung na disciple mo at ilan narin yung naging disciple ng mga na disciple mo? our action speak louder than our words. Do Not Judge …2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye?…
@@gospeltalk8722 Bro hindi naman po ako nag-ju-judge, nagsasabi lang po ako ng aking unawa sa layunin ng ating Panginoon sa mundo na mababasa sa John 3:16, at nagbibigay lang po ako ng aking suggestion para kay Ptr. Oriel na mag-cite din siya ng Bible verses to support his idea and opinion para sa ikagaganda ng kanyang pagpapaliwanag. Nassan po diyan ang judging? Bro. in your reply na "do not judge" kindly also indicate the books, the chapters and the verses to give credit to the Word of God. Salamat.
This preacher is what prophet Micah is talking about. They are using the Word of God to fill their belly. I listen for first 3 mins. And still haven't heard any Bible verse supporting his claims. Awake folks the Lord Jesus Christ ministry is not to conquer anything in this world He didn't even promise anything in this world He promise a way more better blessings and those are heavenly.
Pastor. Jesus clearly stated in Matthew 28:19 that "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"... not "Therefore go and make 12 DISCIPLES of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"... God commissioned us to make disciples of all nations. The word disciples is plural so its up to us to how many people we can disciple as long us it is in accordance to his will and purpose. but youre G12 is limiting it to 12.. Hope you can see those things and think again...
hello our church was connected to G12 but it wasn't limiting it to 12 i know a man he and i was in the same cellgroup means we have same cellgroup leaders his disciple is 40+ then me i only have 3 our church was not limiting it to 12
G12 is a like a stategy our church is involve in G12 but it only refers to the bible our church doesn't take caesar book as a scripture like other church our church only refers to the bible
The bible teaches us that after the initial baptism of the Holy Spirit the early church leaders went everywhere propagating the gospel of salvation. The bible goes into great detail about their methods. There is much history about the early church , especially in the first two hundred years. However there is not one paragraph, one sentence, not even one word that vaguely hints about G12 or it methods. Why is that? Yet the G12 leaders make their boasts that G12 is the most effective means of obeying the great commission of spreading the gospel. Also implied by G12 leaders is that g12 is what god is doing now. They even go beyond and teach that if you are not part of it you are opposing god. None of this can be supported by scripture. Dividing a church into cell groups of 12 has no scripture. Even the other christian historians doesn't mention this. Why? Perhaps it is satanic and you are deceived?
+bobby williams Search Pastor Yonggi Cho (for you to understand that it is not about G12 alone). G12 is not what God is doing now. It is what God through Jesus Christ commanded the earliest Christians, to go and make disciples and Jesus demonstrated it when He appointed the 12."Dividing the church into cell groups?" Read Acts. You are deceived by yourself because you have a rebellious spirit. G12 family of churches is a part of the body of Christ, a part that is as significant with other family of churches who have embodied the full of gospel like Victory, CCF, Word of Hope, Pentecostal, etc.
Jomer Tomale G12 is not about what god is doing now.G`12 is not about god in any way fashion or form.Yes Christ appointed 12 but on other ocassions he also sent out seventy. The number 12 has no spiritual significance. as you have been deceived to believe.At no where in the bible is the cell group taught. No i don't have a rebellious spirit. I just questions things that some of these fat pig pastors teach in order to get rich. You can't find no wheres in the bible where the G12 concept is taught.
+Jomer Tomale G12 is not of God, when God is barely even mentioned in the space of a church service which God should absolutely be at the center of. The G12 service I went to was more like a self-help seminar about the power of dreams. The Pastor could not even reference scripture properly, for example he claimed that Abram was just a 'really great guy that stepped up for God'... Then he proceeded to quickly jump back and forth between 4 other scriptures that had no relation to each other except that they mentioned someone dreaming. I could do the same thing with a concordance, which is more than likely how he prepared his sermon, if you could call it that. My issue is that no matter how large you grow, if you don't teach the basics, promote people having personal relationships with God independent of organized religion, you are setting up for disaster in most cases.
+bobby williams The G12 movement is absolutely a scam. The way they try to discourage individuality in favor of a 'group-consciousness' mentality... The Pastorage at the church I went to could not even quote scripture properly, and even went so far as to refer to Cesar's book as 'scripture'. That was enough for me. The phrase 'wolf in sheeps clothing' comes to mind.
yung nag ssabing cult ang G12 ..nakapag G12 knb??compare your church sa nag GG12 sa hindi..the man will be empower his faith..akalain mo gawain para sa panginoon ssabihan b naman cult..wow..
+Eugene Espinas Tama po. Hindi ko sila maintindihan kaka encounter ko lang and I it really inspires me towards Lord Jesus. Yan na siguro yung way ni Satan na pabagsakin tayo purkit dumarami na at hitik sa bunga
Mgfasting ka muna laki NG katakawan MO.siguraduhin MO Lang hindi ka masilaw sa kayamanan..walang lingkod NG Diyos ang sobrang yaman masisilo ka ni Satanas.walang nglilikod sa dalawang Panginoon..
1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man,But its end is the way of death.
G12 is about quotas of souls.
Hay.. maging careful sa mga pinaniniwalaan ninyo. Kahit anong sabihin ng iba tungkol sa G12, ang importante kung ano ba talaga ang nadidiscern mong katotohanan sa relationship niyo kay God. Let's not destroy one another and have debates.. Nanggaling nako sa napakaraming churches, at ang G12 ay isa sa mga very fruitful and great way to bring souls back to Christ. Wag tayo maging bias, oo.. may mga churches na may kaunting pagkakamali, pero si God na bahala sa kanila. Let's just help one another, and let us not have a crab mentality. Let's be open, careful, and be truth seekers. God bless us all po.
Amen!
Growing in numbers in the church doesnt mean that all that is in there is really born again christian. For me, quality is more important than quantity unless that church is always depends on money. The more quantity, the more tithes they will received. Or church that is really concern in spiritual. Beware of false teacher. 🙏😇
I am a young person and nakilala ko si Lord gamit ang isang G12 church in our city. All I can say is that I will never know the Lord and even be interested in the Word of God kung hindi dahil sa mga radical sa church na ito. And all I can see sa mga G12 church ay they put emphasis on winning people and discipling them the way Jesus them. All other churches in our city are focusing on their members inside and doesn't even bother to look for the lost.
G12 is a strategy for church growth, I cannot understand how it became a cult. Brainwashed? No. Before you call people/organization names maybe you should contemplate on the impact it is making.
Winning people to Jesus is never wrong.
+Josef Bautista Agree!
+Josef Bautista no g12 is not the way Jesus did it.
+bobby williams thats right
our chursh wa connected to g12 but our pastor said that Do not always focus on g12 it was only a strategy to bring more souls to Jesus therefore be more focused on Jesus because He was the only way
Galicia 4:8
Gayon man nang panahong yaon, sa hindi ninyo pagkakilala sa Dios, kayo'y nasa pagkaalipin ng sa katutubo ay hindi mga dios:
My auntie attended one of your session in Novaliches and she felt like it is a cult.They asked for 500 peso fee aside from the tithes and offerings,
they gave her sopas to eat while the leaders eat rice meals. MLM style recruiting, need to invite 12 people who will also pay 500. Why?
Ikalakal mopa pastor pasturan! I never knew you balang araw maririnig mo yan.
The most important is to teach everything that is in the Bible, huwag magdagdag at huwag magbawas. Teach your doctrines not your strategies to influence people.
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Salamat po Ptr. Oriel patuloy mo po Yan. I'm bless... Gagawin ko ito dito sa Iligan
Saan sa Bible na sinabing ang goal ng mga disciples e "world conquest"? "Go and make disciples of all nations" ang sabi, it's not about conquest kasi sabi din ni Jesus na "you will be hated by the world because of Me", the world will hate His followers because they are not of this world.
Saan sa Bible na sinabing lahat maging disciple? Namiss nya yata ang Romans 12 at 1 Corinthians 12. Ang sinasabi ay ang priesthood ng lahat ng believers, ibig sabihin lahat pwede ishare ang Gospel message, hindi yung kailangan meron ka ding 12 disciples of your own.
May 12 disciples si Jesus pero hindi nya command na dapat may 12 disciples lahat ng believers, wala sa Bible na kinailangan ni John, Paul, Peter, etc. ng 12 na disciples, pati ang mga sumonod sa kanila gaya ni Polycarp. Sa mga early Christian writings wala kang mababasang ganon.
Isang kahambugan na parang sabihing may namiss na modelo para sa church ang mga early Christians na nadiskobre lamang ngayon ng G12, na mali ang discipleship ng mga ibang Christian brothers.
Fact is direct revelation daw ni God kay Castillanos ang G12 system na yan na importante daw para sa churches ngayon. Meaning extra Biblical message from God. Bakit hindi yun ang sabihin "pastor" na yan sa lahat lalo na sa mga siniseminar nila?
At saan sa Bible na sinabing kailang ng different stages ng "Encounter" sa buhay ng isang believer na required para sya ay maging disciple ayon sa G12?
At saan sa Bible na sinabing kailang ng believer na magbigay ng pera kung ikaw ay bagong recruit ng isang "disciple" o sasali sa seminar at iba pang gathering ng movement na yan?
Indeed, G12 is more about "conquest", "growth/paglago/quantity", "prosperity/success", "money" than about Jesus of the Bible and preaching of faith, repentance, and the undeserved grace of God through Christ our Lord for us sinners.
P.s. kayong G12, kung talagang about Jesus kayo, mag-evangelize kayo ng mga talagang lost souls, yun ang totoong challenge sa inyo. Hindi yung pupunta kayo ng ibang churces at dun magrerecruit ng members nyo, worse, gagatasan nyo ng P500 each kada punta nila sainyo.
Sa dami mong alam, kahit si Jesus naguhuluhan sa sinabi mo. Simple lang ang gustong ipabatid ni Pastor Oriel, dami mong pasikot sikot. Masyadong mong kinakaliwa yung simpleng bagay.
@@mukbanglegends2687 wag na naten patulan, ganung talaga kapag ndi naintindihan :)
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@@mukbanglegends2687
I'm on a G12 church. But I don't really feel the way they emphasis their doctrines. Let's get real about this. Those G12 churches without a single doubt has bigger members than those that are not. They always want to have disciples. . .disciples. . .disciples. . .whereas, wala naman masama sa discipleship for it is included in the Bible. But the thing is, I wanted to search for something more spiritually beautiful than seeing a lot of crowds gathering in a church or fellowship. Marami ngang members at madaling umunlad, but how about their spiritual aspects of life? Lahat ba un ay talagang saved? Or akala lang nila saved sila just because dumaan sila sa discipleship? Puro experience lang ba? Di tayo mapapatibay ng worldy experience. It saddens me so hard. :( ... Being a g12 members requires discipleship process. But always remember that Salvation is the gatepass to be with God and not discipleship. I'm not saying that G12 is cultic. It is a great way if you want your church to grow. Still, DEEP PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with God together with the members who will help you know more about Him is the true act of simple step towards salvation. God bless!
Be Reformed
Parang networking ang dating sakin pag nageexplqin to about g12.
I came to know Jesus last 2010. because someone share the of God. under the system of G12.
Marami po ako naririnig. kaso binabalewala ko po yumg issue na negative about G12.
Sa totoo lang po, grabe yung ginawa ng Lord sa buhay ko at sa family. not because of G12. but because of the movement na madala sa Lord ang mga tao NEED si Jesus.
Now, I am one of the Primary leader in our church after 8years. At MASAYA akong nagserserve. kasi wala naman masamang tinuturo. :)
And about discipleship, I am enjoying it. lalo na nakikita mo mga taong nababago din at ginagamit ng Lord.
again, its not the g12. We thank God for the system na nilagay niya. So that, may sinsundan kaming process.
Thank You Jesus. :)
anita banayag Amen! Focus tayo sa Christlikeness, Relationship with Jesus and sharing his word. :)
I suggest to you to watch Justin peter to see the true gospel baka nadadala Kalang nang emotions mo kaya ka ganyang galing din ako nang G12 dati kala lahat o.k pero kapag lumalalim ka tlg sa DIYOS ilalayo ka nya sa mga making turo and he will open your eyes
Thnaks Bishop Oriel . GOD Bless you MORE ..Sa mga nag haatag og bad comment If steel you can Judge other your Immature Christian. But if you are founded to the love of LORD you cant judge other .
Huwag kang magpaloko sa mga sa mga bulaang profeta,
kapatid! Hindi nila naiintindihan ang katotohanan ng salita ng
Dios sa bibliya. Kung naintindihan nila ang salita ng Dios,
sila'y ay magbibigkas ng katotohan ng Dios.
Ang totoong Salita ng Dios ay nagtutukoy ng KASALANAN,
EMPYERNO, KALIGTASAN, LANGIT, PAGMAMAHAL SA ATING
PANGINOON, PAGMAMAHAL NG DIOS SA ATIN, ESPERITONG BANAL.
Hebreo 13:5
Ang pamumuhay ninyo ay dapat walang pag-ibig sa salapi.
Masiyahan na kayo sa mga bagay na taglay ninyo sapagkat
sinabi ng Diyos: Kailanman ay hindi kita iiwan at kailanman
ay hindi kita pababayaan
1 Timoteo 6:10 Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND)
Ito ay sapagkat ang pag-ibig sa salapi ang ugat sa lahat ng
uri ng kasamaan. Ang ilang tao na nagpupumilit na
makamtan ito ay naligaw palayo sa pananampalataya.
Maraming pagdadalamhati ang lumalagos sa kanilang mga
sarili.
Madami maliligaw na kaluluwa
Our GOD whom we serve who is the creature of heaven and the earth and all things in it,Is still GOD the same yesterday, today, and forever and there no such thing as today's view of some church that is less to preach because some of the event is not applicable today. This is not the issue how to win the crowd by flattering word to deceived people of their personal interest but how to guide the soul of men that will not lead to HELL. Matthew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
if you really understand the heart of God it's a heart for the souls may dalawang taong nag gg12 ung isa ginagawa Lang without love just for number but the true g12 is the person who loves the Lord and loves the people, kung Hindi maintindihan ang g12 d wag nalang tayong magsalita dahil wal naman masma
Pastor saan po b galing ang g12 sino po b ang founder ng g12?
Prosperity Gospel...pagdadami tayo..YAYAMAN KAMI
Turo po kayo at mag encourage ng Filipino paano mag hirap! John 10:10b
@@tutswright1327 true, d gusto ng prosperity gospel pero d rin gusto mag hirap, tinuruan naman tayo na dapat di sinasapuso yung kayamanan at alam natin san gagamitin ito para sa kaluwalhatian ng Diyos.
Discipleship is there to make the church grow. But deep personal relationship with our Lord is the true salvation that will make your "New You" grow as a follower of Jesus. I'm on a G12 church but then I'm not spiritually satisfied. I'm greatly honored everytime I see a lot of crowds on a g12 events or fellowships. But then napansin ko it's all about discipleship and experiences toward the happenings in our surroundings. It saddens me to think that to be a g12 member requires entering the process of discipleship amd many others for years!. Why does man makes it more complicated? :( ... But then, to be a part of Jesus Christ only requires Salvation. :( ... I hope that each and everyone of us will findbthe truth that discipleship was spoken by Christ himself to make the churches grow. But to maintain the members' faith in Him is through personal connection with God. G12 surely focuses on garnering crowds than to make each individuals grow.
Manipulators using God words to enrich the pastors. G12 has no church, what growns in G12 is their bellys and bank accounts.
Stay away from these liars.
Huwag kang magpaloko sa mga sa mga bulaang profeta,
kapatid! Hindi nila naiintindihan ang katotohanan ng salita ng
Dios sa bibliya. Kung naintindihan nila ang salita ng Dios,
sila'y ay magbibigkas ng katotohan ng Dios.
Ang totoong Salita ng Dios ay nagtutukoy ng KASALANAN,
EMPYERNO, KALIGTASAN, LANGIT, PAGMAMAHAL SA ATING
PANGINOON, PAGMAMAHAL NG DIOS SA ATIN, ESPERITONG BANAL!
Hebreo 13:5
Ang pamumuhay ninyo ay dapat walang pag-ibig sa salapi.
Masiyahan na kayo sa mga bagay na taglay ninyo sapagkat
sinabi ng Diyos: Kailanman ay hindi kita iiwan at kailanman
ay hindi kita pababayaan
1 Timoteo 6:10 Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND)
Ito ay sapagkat ang pag-ibig sa salapi ang ugat sa lahat ng
uri ng kasamaan. Ang ilang tao na nagpupumilit na
makamtan ito ay naligaw palayo sa pananampalataya.
Maraming pagdadalamhati ang lumalagos sa kanilang mga
sarili.
What language is this ,please? Thanks in advance
this is filipino language Abel
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep
Jesus is not just “a” man...He is “the” man
50 mins video about church growth without any verse from the bible that support his talk?
Tinuruan ba ni Jesus disciple nya mag form ng 12? Kung totoo sino 12 na disciple ni peter? Ni John? Sino 12 disciple ni Apostle Paul? Kung importate ung 12 12 na un dapat isusulat un, gaya sa OT na iniisa isa ang pangalan..
At isa pa hndi b dapat DISCIPLE ni jesus, tutulungan natin ang mga tao maging disciple ni Jesus... Hndi yung disciple natin? Natin??? Disciple ko? Disciple nya??
Hndi ba dapat disciple ni Jesus?
Jusko kristiyano ka pa naman, bakit parang medyo malabnaw ang pagunawa mo? Napakasimple pero hindi mo magets sinasabi ni Pastor Oriel????
God bless 💗💗
Saan ang mga Bible verse?
Nasa tyan nya😆😆😆 ayan oh lomobo na ata dinodios ang tiyan
Beware of a false teachings.
This is an example of a false teachings.
berut umali if this false what is the correct now ? Please point it out and explain how 🙂
Then for you what is right teachings? Please state your claim before you acuse something or someone. Read Matthew 28:19-20 then your questions will be answered. Also read the bible. Thank you.
I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.
1 Corinthians 4:6
This guy only speaks out of his self
@@jaylopez9509 so what is your argument?
to those people na nagsasabi ng mga negative about G12, LET ME REMIND YOU. HINDI MAGIGING PROSPEROUS YUNG CHURCH IF DI YAN BINI BLESS NI LORD. WHAT I MEAN IS, G12 IS A GREAT SYSTEM. WINNING SOULS AND MAKING DISCIPLES IS A MUST. THE VISION OF PEOPLE MUST BE THE VISION OF OUR GOD FIRST.. DI NYOLANG NAINTINDIHAN NG MAIGI ANG G12 SYSTEM. YOU JUST KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT G12 BUT NOT ALL ABOUT G12.
G12 is awesome for soul training .. if you love training G12 is good for you.. coz G12 visions is Jesus Christ vision. God bless us all
Where in the bible that Jesus Christ tell that G12 is specifically His vision?
Salamat pastor sa kahologan sa j 12
becareful!!!
Nakakadismaya mga gantong pastor
Networking of pastors
We are blessed to have the vision :)
hmmmm hahaha sa mga negatibo ang sinabi hehehe salamin salamin muna tingnan ang sarili..to god be the glory..
Preach the gospel, not conquest!
Is this English or are you speaking in tongues?
new term of Discipleship is G12 ,parang aso,naging k9,dati cell group,ngayon G12
kahit anong term basta nagdiscipleship tayo sa church lalago yan.
+jojo navj thee is only one form of discipleship and it was laid out quite clearly by Jesus and G12 is not it. Why are you people so ignorant that you believe everything this man says without even questioning it or checking it out in the bible?
Jojo navj simple sagot mo pero yan ang pinaka maganda explaination sa lahat
Sa Bible walang itunuro si Lord ng magdisciple ka ng 12, pero bakit may 12 Sya? Walang nakasulat na nag utos sa Kanya ang Ama 12 dapat ang disipulo Nya. Tanong po, may ginawa po si Jesus na naisip lang nyang gawin o lahat ng ginawa Nya ay kalooban o utos ng Kanyang Tatay na nasa langit?
John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. NIV
Jesus clearly stated in Matthew 28:19 that "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"... not "Therefore go and make 12 DISCIPLES of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"...
God commissioned us to make disciples of all nations. The word disciples is plural so its up to us to how many people we can disciple as long us it is in accordance to his will and purpose. but youre G12 is limiting it to 12.. Hope you can see those things and think again...
Maging maingat na lang. Maging c satanas ay pede magkunwari anghel ng kaliwanagan. Kaya nya i twist ang salita ni Lord.
Walang masama sa magparami ng member. Ano ba talaga ang layunin bakit gusto magparami ng member? Kung ang layon ay para dumami ang koleksiyon, hindi tama motibo.
Sabi ni apostol Pablo, di kami katulad ng iba na kinakalakal ang salita ng Diyos. 2 corinto 2:17; Isaias 56:11.
Marami kc ngaun na lider ng mga relihiyon, kongregasyon namumuhay sa maluhong buhay. Ang kinakasangkapan anh Salita ng Diyos.
Kesa magcomment ng masama kay Bishop Oriel why don't you just check yourselves Kung May mga bunga ba kayo. Puro negatibo eh Wala namang nagagawa para kay Lord.
tama
Ameen
Lot of people, lots of money
English version please 😁🙏🙏
correct
Sa una hindi strategy sa huli ito Ang strategy
Do Not Judge
…2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye?…
Ang daming nagmamagaling dito. Akala mo katulad nung karaming nalalaman ng nagsasalita. At least that man is making an action rather than puro salita at paninira ng kapwa. Pag ang anak mo napabarkada sa mga tambay reklamo, mapasama di mga adik reklamo. Itong mamah gumagawa ng mga bagay in line with discipling the next generation for Jesus and national transformation as he said "world conquest" for Jesus tapos kayo puro paninira. Ang gagaling nyo magsalita, bakit kayo what have you already done for our generation? For others? For the youth? Baka naman kaya walang masabing masama sa inyo kasi wala rin naman kayong ginagawang malasakit. Di ko sya literal pinagtatanggol although I sounds like I am. Besides this kind of man with that kind of vision will only be a lil bit sad after reading these bad comments for a while then ipapasa Diyos nya lang din lahat yan. After that tatawanan nya nalang lahat yan tapos babalik sa ipinapagawa ng Diyos sa kanya. Bago kayo magsalita ng kung anu anu tanungin nyo muna sarili nyo, kamusta ang relasyon nyo sa Diyos? Anu ang ginagawa nyong effort to win souls. Kung wala naman eh wag kaung kumuha ng papel sa eksena bilang kuntrabida sa G12 vision nila.
Huwag kang magpaloko sa mga sa mga bulaang profeta, kapatid! Hindi nila naiintindihan ang katotohanan ng salita ng Dios sa bibliya. Kung naintindihan nila ang salita ng Dios, sila'y ay magbibigkas ng katotohan ng Dios.
Ang totoong Salita ng Dios ay nagtutukoy ng KASALANAN, EMPYERNO, KALIGTASAN, LANGIT, PAGMAMAHAL SA ATING PANGINOON, PAGMAMAHAL NG DIOS SA ATIN, ESPERITONG
Hebreo 13:5
Ang pamumuhay ninyo ay dapat walang pag-ibig sa salapi. Masiyahan na kayo sa mga bagay na taglay ninyo sapagkat sinabi ng Diyos: Kailanman ay hindi kita iiwan at kailanman ay hindi kita pababayaan
1 Timoteo 6:10 Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND)
Ito ay sapagkat ang pag-ibig sa salapi ang ugat sa lahat ng
uri ng kasamaan. Ang ilang tao na nagpupumilit na
makamtan ito ay naligaw palayo sa pananampalataya.
Maraming pagdadalamhati ang lumalagos sa kanilang mga
sarili.
@@marbertgc hipokrito.
WHERE G12 MINISTERS/PASTORS GOT THEIR AUTHORITY TO PREACH?
Cesar castillano was a drug money laundering so called church. To divert drug money so it can be deposited to a bank and make it legal money. G12 is nothing about Gods words, its about getting more money from idiots members.
Networking networking networking
big amen
Puro paliwanag lang ala naman Bible verse..
parang ganito lang yan eh..
meron akong jewerly namay Guinto at may Diamond
ang ganda Sobrang ganda
Siyempre ikaw naman maniniwala kasi tlgang maganda at maaamaze ka sa bagay naun..
parang ganon lang
Tama ka bro.
Huwag kang magpaloko sa mga sa mga bulaang profeta,
kapatid! Hindi nila naiintindihan ang katotohanan ng salita ng
Dios sa bibliya. Kung naintindihan nila ang salita ng Dios,
sila'y ay magbibigkas ng katotohan ng Dios.
Ang totoong Salita ng Dios ay nagtutukoy ng KASALANAN,
EMPYERNO, KALIGTASAN, LANGIT, PAGMAMAHAL SA ATING
PANGINOON, PAGMAMAHAL NG DIOS SA ATIN, ESPERITONG BANAL.
Hebreo 13:5
Ang pamumuhay ninyo ay dapat walang pag-ibig sa salapi.
Masiyahan na kayo sa mga bagay na taglay ninyo sapagkat
sinabi ng Diyos: Kailanman ay hindi kita iiwan at kailanman
ay hindi kita pababayaan
1 Timoteo 6:10 Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND)
Ito ay sapagkat ang pag-ibig sa salapi ang ugat sa lahat ng
uri ng kasamaan. Ang ilang tao na nagpupumilit na
makamtan ito ay naligaw palayo sa pananampalataya.
Maraming pagdadalamhati ang lumalagos sa kanilang mga
sarili.
Jesus' vision is not "world conquest" (1:12), it is "saving the world", in John 3:16 states that "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Sinabi ni bro. Oriel wala daw sa Bible ang gift na kunti at gift na marami (3:33), basahin po natin ang Matthew 25:14-15 (The Parable of the Talents) “For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey." Bro. Oriel should promote discipleship as a lifestyle of every believer in Christ and he should cite specific Bible verses to support his claims.
world conquest ibig sabihin nya. win the world tru peaching the Gospel & Discipleship. dalawa lang nmn ang pinagagawa sa atin
Preach the Gospel and make Disciple. pag pinakingkan mo b yung buong msg? its all about discipleship. Jesus started sa 12 person n naging disciple dahil sa 12 na dinisipulo ni Hesus kumalat ang magandang balita sa buong mundo. ikaw ilan naba yung na disciple mo at ilan narin yung naging disciple ng mga na disciple mo?
our action speak louder than our words.
Do Not Judge
…2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye?…
@@gospeltalk8722 Bro hindi naman po ako nag-ju-judge, nagsasabi lang po ako ng aking unawa sa layunin ng ating Panginoon sa mundo na mababasa sa John 3:16, at nagbibigay lang po ako ng aking suggestion para kay Ptr. Oriel na mag-cite din siya ng Bible verses to support his idea and opinion para sa ikagaganda ng kanyang pagpapaliwanag. Nassan po diyan ang judging?
Bro. in your reply na "do not judge" kindly also indicate the books, the chapters and the verses to give credit to the Word of God. Salamat.
This preacher is what prophet Micah is talking about. They are using the Word of God to fill their belly. I listen for first 3 mins. And still haven't heard any Bible verse supporting his claims.
Awake folks the Lord Jesus Christ ministry is not to conquer anything in this world He didn't even promise anything in this world He promise a way more better blessings and those are heavenly.
No bible verse because he is not studying the bible. Oriel is in his own philosophy and using God to look it biblical. False Preaching!
Anong ibig sabihin nitong g12? gusto ko yong sagot galing sa bible...
Kung nalaman ko lang sana ang g12 way back 2012 well atleast alam ko na ngayun salamt LORD!
Pastor. Jesus clearly stated in Matthew 28:19 that "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"... not "Therefore go and make 12 DISCIPLES of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"...
God commissioned us to make disciples of all nations. The word disciples is plural so its up to us to how many people we can disciple as long us it is in accordance to his will and purpose. but youre G12 is limiting it to 12.. Hope you can see those things and think again...
hello our church was connected to G12 but it wasn't limiting it to 12 i know a man he and i was in the same cellgroup means we have same cellgroup leaders his disciple is 40+ then me i only have 3 our church was not limiting it to 12
Jett Esencia even Jesus Christ had 12 disciples. So your point is flawed.
wasn't important at all the vision of 12 is the best. Just do it like Jesus Christ.
After Jesus is His Disciples.. its not the Pastors..
Their god is their belly
G12 is a like a stategy our church is involve in G12 but it only refers to the bible our church doesn't take caesar book as a scripture like other church our church only refers to the bible
G12 cult
G12 is about for Man (Jesus) is not about for nonsense or any mean
The bible teaches us that after the initial baptism of the Holy Spirit the early church leaders went everywhere propagating the gospel of salvation. The bible goes into great detail about their methods. There is much history about the early church , especially in the first two hundred years. However there is not one paragraph, one sentence, not even one word that vaguely hints about G12 or it methods. Why is that? Yet the G12 leaders make their boasts that G12 is the most effective means of obeying the great commission of spreading the gospel. Also implied by G12 leaders is that g12 is what god is doing now. They even go beyond and teach that if you are not part of it you are opposing god. None of this can be supported by scripture. Dividing a church into cell groups of 12 has no scripture. Even the other christian historians doesn't mention this. Why? Perhaps it is satanic and you are deceived?
+bobby williams Search Pastor Yonggi Cho (for you to understand that it is not about G12 alone). G12 is not what God is doing now. It is what God through Jesus Christ commanded the earliest Christians, to go and make disciples and Jesus demonstrated it when He appointed the 12."Dividing the church into cell groups?" Read Acts. You are deceived by yourself because you have a rebellious spirit. G12 family of churches is a part of the body of Christ, a part that is as significant with other family of churches who have embodied the full of gospel like Victory, CCF, Word of Hope, Pentecostal, etc.
Jomer Tomale G12 is not about what god is doing now.G`12 is not about god in any way fashion or form.Yes Christ appointed 12 but on other ocassions he also sent out seventy. The number 12 has no spiritual significance. as you have been deceived to believe.At no where in the bible is the cell group taught. No i don't have a rebellious spirit. I just questions things that some of these fat pig pastors teach in order to get rich. You can't find no wheres in the bible where the G12 concept is taught.
:D God bless you bro!
+Jomer Tomale G12 is not of God, when God is barely even mentioned in the space of a church service which God should absolutely be at the center of. The G12 service I went to was more like a self-help seminar about the power of dreams. The Pastor could not even reference scripture properly, for example he claimed that Abram was just a 'really great guy that stepped up for God'... Then he proceeded to quickly jump back and forth between 4 other scriptures that had no relation to each other except that they mentioned someone dreaming. I could do the same thing with a concordance, which is more than likely how he prepared his sermon, if you could call it that.
My issue is that no matter how large you grow, if you don't teach the basics, promote people having personal relationships with God independent of organized religion, you are setting up for disaster in most cases.
+bobby williams The G12 movement is absolutely a scam. The way they try to discourage individuality in favor of a 'group-consciousness' mentality... The Pastorage at the church I went to could not even quote scripture properly, and even went so far as to refer to Cesar's book as 'scripture'. That was enough for me. The phrase 'wolf in sheeps clothing' comes to mind.
saan sa bible ung purpose ni Jesus is 'world conquest'?
prosperity 'gospel' cult leader
Bigyan ng 10k yan
Cultic Teaching
Kawawa nmn ang mga member ..pera pera nalang
yung nag ssabing cult ang G12 ..nakapag G12 knb??compare your church sa nag GG12 sa hindi..the man will be empower his faith..akalain mo gawain para sa panginoon ssabihan b naman cult..wow..
+Eugene Espinas Tama po. Hindi ko sila maintindihan kaka encounter ko lang and I it really inspires me towards Lord Jesus. Yan na siguro yung way ni Satan na pabagsakin tayo purkit dumarami na at hitik sa bunga
Amen
Ipanalangin natin sila at ipakita natin we are the new generation of Christian who loves the Lord And loves sthe people
Charlatans
Wlang scripture bases yung pastor..gawa2 nya lang...
Mgfasting ka muna laki NG katakawan MO.siguraduhin MO Lang hindi ka masilaw sa kayamanan..walang lingkod NG Diyos ang sobrang yaman masisilo ka ni Satanas.walang nglilikod sa dalawang Panginoon..
Di nya kayang di kumain 😂😂😂😂 nasanay nayan sa kakakain..
you said world conquest but in scripture share the gospel until the end of the earth its a joke common l
ILLUMINATI ITO!!!
Pano mo nalaman nag g12 knba?
Prove it...
Huwad na paniniwala.
Walang alam
False teacher
Baboy
@zeni rojo