I’m in Dr Grays HSE program right now and if there’s one thing I can say, it’s laid out so well. As soon as I come up with a question, the next lecture answers it.
Hey Rob, I love your work, although I do challenge your point on prediction. it seems like both methods use prediction, which could be defined as probability of success that in one scenario, you have one state with a static probability and in the scenario favor, you take into consideration many static steps over time this increasing probability over time. This is exemplified in your statement of continuously, taking in new information and making micro adjustments. Please let me know if I am understanding this correctly.
Having studied a masters in cognitive skill acquisition, I loved this. Studies finished 10 years ago but thank you for taking me back; I'm keeping an eye out for any other content.
Brilliant. Some very complex issues presented, as ever by Rob, in an accessible way. That's not to say that I won't end up watching this several times as I am sure I will! Thank you for sharing this Rob.
Thanks Rob. Really appreciate your take on the two models. As a golf coach, I don't see how either model fits entirely. Where do action concepts fit into the ecological approach? Presumably, the performer will still develop an internal technical model (ideas and feels) whether taught explicitly or otherwise? Thank you for your time.
Today I read a paper by Otte. It was my first ever contact with the Ecological approaches. Now I get this recommended... okay google. I gotta say, the ecology model does align with my own perconceptions very well. Just recently I thought to myself: "I should not teach my athletes, they should teach themselves. So, I need to put them into the environment that forces them to learn what they need." Still, the old information-perception model does seem very applicable... but maybe it's just not it.
Rob, I have a friend who I have played soccer with for years since we were kids and we like to play futsal now. Well, when he is dribbling up the wing I start making a run to the middle of the goal because I know he is going to look for me the middle. He may not look for me but I feel like he will and usually does. Its the same when I have the ball and he makes the run. I may not even look up before I pass because I expect him to be there. Is this not a prediction?
Thank you for posting your insights. I am just a little confused by some terminology. Specifically on the adaptability slide. Can you simplify what you mean by the perceptual motor landscape and " exploration.. often outside of any condition you will face in competition"? I thought session design wants to be representative of conditions faced in competition?
Rob, I would like to hear your thoughts. After thinking about it some more, some of the invariant features I am talking about, I don't think all players would ever develop these skills unless passed down by instructors and through direct instruction. This being because some players are not from a soccer background, they don't come from a soccer culture, and they would never witness these techniques on their own because they just play soccer, they are not fans of the game. I myself remember when I was younger watching soccer videos on youtube and then practice the moves I watched on my own, or on a friend, but well before I ever tried them in a game. It kind of reminds me of the IP approach except I my instructor was the videos I watched. When I watch videos of Neymar, Ronaldo, and Messi, I can't help but believe they too trained individually and from a IP perspective on certain skills of theirs and then would try them in games or on friends, as I did. I guess I am just not understanding how skills develop, although I want to believe the CLA idea is how it works.
When I was younger I would watch youtube videos and then practice moves that I liked. Then when I went and played in the game I would plan to use those moves in certain situations (i.e, when I had a defender on my back and was checking to the ball, I planned to use the outside of my foot to turn with one touch).
I’m in Dr Grays HSE program right now and if there’s one thing I can say, it’s laid out so well. As soon as I come up with a question, the next lecture answers it.
This should be going viral - thanks Rob Brilliant stuff!
Hey Rob, I love your work, although I do challenge your point on prediction. it seems like both methods use prediction, which could be defined as probability of success that in one scenario, you have one state with a static probability and in the scenario favor, you take into consideration many static steps over time this increasing probability over time. This is exemplified in your statement of continuously, taking in new information and making micro adjustments. Please let me know if I am understanding this correctly.
Having studied a masters in cognitive skill acquisition, I loved this. Studies finished 10 years ago but thank you for taking me back; I'm keeping an eye out for any other content.
Agree with James Vaughan that this deserves to go viral. A super introduction and well laid out. I'm sharing the hell out of it :)
Brilliant. Some very complex issues presented, as ever by Rob, in an accessible way. That's not to say that I won't end up watching this several times as I am sure I will! Thank you for sharing this Rob.
Rob, Thank you so much for making this available to us as teachers and coaches! Phenomenally helpful!
Thanks Rob. Really appreciate your take on the two models. As a golf coach, I don't see how either model fits entirely. Where do action concepts fit into the ecological approach? Presumably, the performer will still develop an internal technical model (ideas and feels) whether taught explicitly or otherwise? Thank you for your time.
That was fantastically helpful and informative. Even for a hard headed zealot like myself!!! Thanks Rob.. Love you work.....
Today I read a paper by Otte. It was my first ever contact with the Ecological approaches. Now I get this recommended... okay google.
I gotta say, the ecology model does align with my own perconceptions very well. Just recently I thought to myself: "I should not teach my athletes, they should teach themselves. So, I need to put them into the environment that forces them to learn what they need."
Still, the old information-perception model does seem very applicable... but maybe it's just not it.
Rob, I have a friend who I have played soccer with for years since we were kids and we like to play futsal now. Well, when he is dribbling up the wing I start making a run to the middle of the goal because I know he is going to look for me the middle. He may not look for me but I feel like he will and usually does. Its the same when I have the ball and he makes the run. I may not even look up before I pass because I expect him to be there. Is this not a prediction?
Thank you for posting your insights. I am just a little confused by some terminology. Specifically on the adaptability slide. Can you simplify what you mean by the perceptual motor landscape and " exploration.. often outside of any condition you will face in competition"? I thought session design wants to be representative of conditions faced in competition?
Rob, I would like to hear your thoughts. After thinking about it some more, some of the invariant features I am talking about, I don't think all players would ever develop these skills unless passed down by instructors and through direct instruction. This being because some players are not from a soccer background, they don't come from a soccer culture, and they would never witness these techniques on their own because they just play soccer, they are not fans of the game. I myself remember when I was younger watching soccer videos on youtube and then practice the moves I watched on my own, or on a friend, but well before I ever tried them in a game. It kind of reminds me of the IP approach except I my instructor was the videos I watched. When I watch videos of Neymar, Ronaldo, and Messi, I can't help but believe they too trained individually and from a IP perspective on certain skills of theirs and then would try them in games or on friends, as I did. I guess I am just not understanding how skills develop, although I want to believe the CLA idea is how it works.
When I was younger I would watch youtube videos and then practice moves that I liked. Then when I went and played in the game I would plan to use those moves in certain situations (i.e, when I had a defender on my back and was checking to the ball, I planned to use the outside of my foot to turn with one touch).
Thank you for the video.
This really is your magnum opus (ok, maybe that's a bit much).
I like your podcasts.
But, saying "Right" every other word is really distracting.
Thank you and keep up the good work.