Awakening Story: Validar's a dick, Gangrel's a dick, Walhart's a dick, Validar's a dick again, and then giant dragon. Birthright story: they killed my mom, Xander why are you so blindly loyal to the point where it's stupid, Lobster kills everything, giant dragon. Conquest Story: they killed my mom, but I'm staying with them anyway cause reasons. Let's plan to take evil dad out from the inside, but only do it in the last 2 chapters of the game. :| then blob monster and angry pineapple yelling "traitor" Revelations story: fuck all you guys jk please be friends, and then when it works, lets go to giratina's distortion world and kill a giant dragon. Suffice to say, they all need work.
I actually agree with this completely... remember when the games used to have good story and real good twists *cough* Fire Emblem 7 *cough* Eliwood accidentally killing Ninian *cough*
Tellius clearly has the best story of all Fire Emblem worlds. Path of Radiance is excellent and Radiant Dawn is ambitious af. Between the two of them, Tellius is THE most fleshed out and developed of all FE regions, bar none. This is not up for discussion. On a personal note, I really liked RD's mature take on politics. I didn't feel talked down to and I understood exactly what each nation had at stake. Also, Ike/Elincia >>>> Chrom and Corrin. Hell, even Micaiah is better than Nohr!Corrin.
I have to completely disagree with the notion that the two should be tied for their graphics. The FIRST thing I noticed playing Fates was how much they improved on the combat animations, the transitions in and out of animations are so smooth and incorporate movement and the map which alone is a giant improvement, and the attack animations themselves are so dynamic and varied like the GBA games. Awakenings animations were very stale, and I had animations turned off very often. That being said spell animations are still pretty lame in Fates.
I'm a little dissapointed the voice acting wasn't brought to question though... Honestly I felt the voice acting in fates was nowhere near as good as awakening... I found so many character's voices so cringy in fates I'm one of those subs > Dubs people because usually the delivery and voice are better but the Awakening English dub was so good! Honestly the English dub was probably better then the Japanese in awakenings case (But Damn Chrom being voiced by Tsugita the voice of the troll of anime Gin was just amazing!) Fates on the other hand... a lot of the voices were hit or miss and because there was such a big cast a lot of voice actors voiced 2-3 characters some did a good job sounding different but others... were so obvious that kinda bothered me a little
yazminyari yeah i totally agree with the voices. while some of the VAs (voice actors) were reused like chrom's VA i feel that fate's VAs tried a bit too hard while awakening's VAs felt a bit more natural. but i will say shigure singing lost in thoughts makes me picture that chrom could sing it too, (chrom and shigure share the same VA). though i will say that both have a lot of memorable crit quotes, my favorite part of the game when they introduced awakening.
Awakening has better voice acting overall for both languages, but I actually prefer Fates' dub. The reuse of voice actors for each character doesn't nearly bother me as much as almost every single female voice actress in the Japanese version sounding like kawaii waifu bait difficult to identify just by ear.
I agree with the closing comment about Awakening's charm. Fates is just so MEH to me. Even though I'm aware Fates is a a more technically proficient game in terms of gameplay structure, I still have a much better time replaying Awakening compared to Fates, for many reasons
For me personally, what makes Awakening more fun to play was because of it's better story. It's not good, but better than what Fates gave us. If I had to list out the best of Fates in terms of story, it would be Conquest, then Birthright, and Revelation in last. Conquest felt like it attempted something with siding with Nohr. It didn't work, it failed spectacularly, but it at least attempted to be something. Birthright is so basic that it makes Shadow Dragon look good, and Revelation turned into a train wreck by the end, with nothing on the world of Valla being revealed to us, deaths of supposedly important characters (Arete, Mikoto, and Sumeragi) that you couldn't care for because you know nothing about them other than "He/She is this characters' mom/dad," and Anakos felt like Grima 2.0 Also, in regards to story, I've noticed a very disturbing trend. After Path of Radiance, the quality of writing seemed to just keep getting worse with each new installment (I'm not counting FE 11 or 12 because those were remakes). 1. Radiant Dawn got messy with its four act structure, bad balancing, the Dawn Brigade getting the shaft, and the contrived Blood Pact scenario. 2. Awakening was bad for trying to cram in 3 arcs into only 27 chapters, with Walhart's arc being absolutely meaningless in the end (Seriously, you could cut out that arc entirely and nothing would be loss. Hell, the story would probably have been better because there would be more time to flesh out the Plegia Arc and the Future Arc), a lot less world building than in previous games, and a little too much reliance on anime tropes. 3. Fates brought the series to a new low with practically no world building, to the point where Intelligent Systems was too lazy to draw out a map of whatever continent Fates takes place on (Seriously, they couldn't even write down the name of the continent, something that has been done since the FIRST game on the NES) and just used a random Google Earth image; having one of, if not the worst, lord of the whole series, Corrin, a practical Mary-Sue who is so loved by everyone that the only reason why anyone would hate him is because they are possessed (Takumi, Gunter), is a generic asshole (Hans and Iago), or a literal monster (Slime Monster Garon). It got so bad at the end of Conquest where Hinoka, who should be pretty livid that Corrin literally caused the death of over half of her family, let hundreds of innocent civilians die, caused a bunch of property damage, and prematurely made her the queen of a war-torn nation that she is pretty much unprepared to lead, remembers that this is Corrin that she is taking to, and brushed off the whole thing by saying "Hoshido's fate is what it is;" and most of Fate's characters being one note anime trope, to the point where the Royal Family members are mirrors of the exact same anime trope. *Now that I think about it, what really makes Fates the worst in terms of story is that it repeats itself CONSTANTLY. Leo, Elise, and Camilla all have the same "Concubine mother who used their child to get close to Garon," nearly every non-child and non-royal character are just retainers, maps are constantly reused, even when all the way back in 2015 they said that wasn't going to happen, they repeat scenarios (The accidentally attacking Wind Tribe members was in both Birthright and in Revelations, the obligatory animal unit somehow gets lost in Cyrkensia, you fight your older brother in an obligatory one on one duel, Revelations has three traitor angles in the form of Anthony, Mikoto, and Gunter, the list goes on), and overall just felt like Intelligent Systems just gave no shits when designing the world of Fates. Getting back on point, if this trend continues, we will see worse and worse stories in the future, and with Fire Emblem getting more and more popular despite coming out with worse and worse stories, this trend won't likely reverse itself anytime in the foreseeable future. I would like to hear your thoughts on my proposed trend BLAZINGKNIGHT.
I've gone back played the original Gaiden, and I would describe the story as simple, but effective. There's now contradictory writing, nothing that will make you bang your head on a wall from the sheer stupidity of any situation. And from what I've seen of Echoes, it looks like it will turn out well. Though I will agree that some maps won't be doing the game favors.
XIII Hearts 2 years later and three houses comes out with a story that returns to form and completely blows away the story in awakening and fates, seriously if you haven’t played three houses yet you need to.
19:05 , HEEEEEEEEEEYY, that's my joke. actually, this video was really entertaining and the skits were absolutely wonderful. this video had, well, Awakening's charm to it. a note to Heemin; thank you for your Awakening videos several years ago, they were what made me buy the game and I enjoy those videos to death. thanks to crash for helping me find your channel again, the second I saw you added to Crash's featured channels I clicked on your channel and it was a lot like meeting an old friend. thank you Heemin. I wouldn't love Fire Emblem if it wasn't for you. otherwise, good job on this awesome video guys, I'm looking forward to more collabs in the future. hats off to you gentlemen. p.s. Crash, I loved the holes about angry comments, but since you're playing FE4 now, prepare yourself. you have no idea what you have done.
I wonder if you could also make a cooperative video with BlazingKnight as well, Zerk. Would be interesting, since you both have your own Fire Emblem-ish type of avatar. With you having the avatar resembling Xander and BlazingKnight liking the more colorful look of Black Knight.
Ah Ha! Fantastic video there BlazingKnight! and I'm not just saying that 'cause your collab partner has a sexy mustache. I really enjoyed all the parts you brought up. (I mean I think I see more through the swirlly eyes of the other guy) but I can certainly respect and enjoy the video, I have enjoyed every video in the Marathon and am very interested to see you grow as content creator on TH-cam.
Well i'm glad you enjoyed the video and it was wonderful to work with you dude, and your sexy mustache. I very much look forward to seeing what you have in store for the future.
BLAZINGKNIGHT I'm surprised that u never did a video of valkyria chronicles series (it like fire emblem but more WWII because of guns and for PS3 and PSP)
BLAZINGKNIGHT OH man, u should! It's gameplay is plan amazing including for awakening fans will love it and the music is.................FUCKING GREAT,CRAZY GOOD,and remembering that u wish the missions last longer just to hear it fully.
Really great video and collab from you too, and really?! Most didn't like Conquest?! I actually thought that you two would say that Conquest had a bad story, since I found Conquest as a good story (even if severely flawed) compared to Birthright that is since there's a shade of grey with Conquest. It's basically choosing the lesser of two evils and being able to see Nohr in a new light... *feels people staring at me threateningly* O...k... I think I should run now...
I think Conquest is also the best story in fates despite having massive flaws. It's like they had all those good ideas but didn't have a good way of putting them together. However the good parts were REALLY GOOD like SPOILERS -Ryoma's sacrifice. -Takumi's possession which is handled MUCH better here than in Birthright. -The "dying but waking up because plot armor + friendship" cliche which was handled better than in Awakening and Birthright since it completed Takumi's character arc. -The closest you ever get to Garon being developped. -Chapter 18. -The Cheve incident because it actually had an impact on Corrin and made him question himself / herself and learn from it all which is something Corrin almost never does and actually never does in other routes. -The Nohrian siblings who actually mattered. -The way Shura was included which was imo more well written there than in the two other routes.
Here's my response to all of the points you brought up. -Not going to argue with Ryoma's sacrifice, that's honestly one of the only redeemable factors of Conquest's story in my eyes. -Actually, I think it was handled even worse than Birthright, and this all comes down to Takumi's scene with Corrin before the endgame. We could have had him be possessed because of how much he HATED Corin for choosing Birthright, and understandably so. Anankos could have sensed that hatred and used that to advantage and offered him power to kill Corrin. And on the surface, that's what it sounds like. But really? Nah, turns out Takumi never hated Corrin in the first place and that the reason he was possessed was because his soul died long ago. So that basically tells us that literally every action Takumi has done in Conquest is a result of his possession. That understandable hatred he appeared to have for Corrin? It was just him being possessed by a demon dragon the whole time, and he never hated Corrin for his actions. Rather, he actually wonders what it would have been like to fight at your side. This probably could have been the best aspect of Conquest's story if not for that gigantic hole. All Takumi had to do in that segment was say something like he admitted that he got carried away with Anankos' offer for power, and that he was sorry that his hatred led things to the way they are now. Or better yet, take Takumi out of the sequence altogether. It feels like he's there just to give a last minute to reminder to Corrin that they were never bad ,never will be bad, and they always liked them. It's so fucking cliche it makes me cringe just thinking about it, and it killed what could have been a great character arc. -See above. -Not really though. How does Garon actually show signs of development in Conquest other than being a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain? At the end of Birthright, that is where he actually shows promising development, where he actually seems to wonder what his possession is like and is at peace with him dying. If they followed this route in Conquest or even Revelations, Garon could have been a good villain. But nope, other than that one moment in Birthright, he's the same old generic villain he always is. Oh, and did I mention that Conquest has Garon turn out to be a slime monster? Cause that's also pretty terrible too. Yes, as if he wasn't evil enough, let's make him even more evil and take away any human qualities he may have had. -Chapter 18 is pretty stupidly executed too. Yes, instead of ending the war there and now, let's instead kill our own troops because killing the Hoshidan royal family that way isn't "morally right". Plus the game still has 10 chapters left! How dare they decide to end the game early and end this sorry excuse of a story? Zola did a damn good job capturing all of them in one place, and no one even praises the guy. I honestly feel sorry for him for basically doing his job and getting killed as a result of it. Again, it's the fucking friendship/righteousness is magic cliche, and it makes me nauseate whenever I see it. -The Cheve incident actually could have been well pulled off...if it weren't for the horribly written characters. Garon is the Saturday Morning Cartoon villain of the game, and NOW Corrin decides to question how good he is? Not after he supposedly killed Mikoto if we're going by the game's story at this point? Not after he sent Corrin to his death on multiple occasions at this point, one of which include the moment where Hans tries to kill him and flat out tells him that it was Garon's orders to kill him? Not after they've repeatedly seen just how cartoonishly and obviously evil Garon is from his personality? NOW they decide that Garon might not be such a good guy after all? Gtfo. This is basically like Xander in Birthright (and even Conquest to a certain degree), and it's atrocious to witness Corrin's naive stupidity. And even with all of these incidents, combined with the recent incident in Cheve, he/she STILL doesn't realize that Garon's kind of a dick when he questions him in the theater the very next chapter. He/she STILL has some hope left that Garon has some good left in him and that he was never a bad guy at all, even though THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT HIS CHARACTER HAS BEEN PORTRAYING SINCE THE MOMENT HE WAS INTRODUCED. It takes Azura's word and a god damn crystal ball for Corrin to finally realize that Garon isn't such a good guy after all. Congratulations, you've just figured out who you have to kill in order to end the war! Are you proud of yourself for piecing together the bad guy? This is just a piece of crap writing that never should have been dug out of the trash can of fanfiction.net in the first place. -Camilla did absolutely nothing for the plot of Conquest and was just walking fanservice to convince people to play Conquest and bang her. Other than her though, the rest were actually ok in the plot. Elise could have contributed more to the plot instead of just getting sick for one chapter, but it's still something. Camilla's the only major complaint I have about them mattering to the plot; the rest are ok. -Shura's arc is another diamond in the rough in Conquest's excuse of a story, and actually really well executed the morally gray aspect that Conquest was so desperately trying to enforce in it's story but mostly failed except for that one moment. Maybe if we had more moments similar to that then Conquest's story wouldn't be as terrible.
bfidle i can't believe i actually read all of this. -yes ryoma's was well done... for the most part. the camera shot makes it look like he's stabbing himself in the balls -totally. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot -writers really gotta stop doing this -that was actually b/c Izumo is supposed to be a neutral nation, which opens up another problem; IZANA DIDN'T REACT TO THE LACK OF NEUTRALITY! granted, the nohr siblings did save his life, but he shouldn't look over the fact that someone from nohr tried to kill him -yeah, camilla didn't really do anything meaningful -shura was wasted potential, due to being a corrinsexual -the cheve incident was one of the worst moments in conquest's plot. cartoon villains and complete idiots galore. to add to your point, xander told corrin NOT to trust hans due to his past as a criminal. not only that, garon also tried to kill corrin when he was a baby (sumeragi died instead) -in regards to garon's character, i have no idea what Justplay1611 was talking about (it sounds like he was just talking out of his butt). garon was one of the WORST villains in the franchise (iago and hans suck too, for pretty much the same reasons). the ONLY villains that can give these guys competition in the sucky villains department are the begnion senate from radiant dawn (the only ones here who don't suck are oliver and sephiran, b/c they are FAR more sympathetic than the rest, to the point where they can join you)
Now I want to clarify some of my points. -I think Garon is one of the worst villains in the franchise too, for the same reasons you two mentioned. And when I said "developed" I actually didn't choose my word well. I meant "explained". As Xander explains in chapter 27 (yeah, about time!) why he's loyal to Garon in the first place. And I'll admit, I was partially influenced by my inner fanboy when writing this comment, so sorry about that. Plus, between my first comment and this, I did revisit Birthright through Mangs' let's play and I take my point back. The closest thing we got to Garon being good was indeed at the end of Birthright (even if it's still lacking). -For Takumi, I disagree. What I got is that the reason why he got possessed in the first place WAS because he hated Corrin for his betrayal and that Anankos took advantage of that just like bfidle suggested. He was... partially alive until chapter 23, before he went full zombie. After that, his body had no soul and was, to quote him, "fueled only by lingering resentment". Maybe I didn't pay enough attention, but it seemed to me that Takumi's character arc wasn't purely "I love Corrin, he's perfect and the only reason why I even disliked his choice was because I was possessed by Spacetime dragon". But I will admit that there was more sucking up to Corrin than needed by the end.
A contest between what's the better game between these two is like watching the Sixers and the Nets go into overtime. Yeah, its pretty entertaining to watch an overtime game, but jfc ya boi its the Sixers and the Nets.
Out of all 4 of these games(between Fire Emblem Awakening and all 3 versions Fates, aka Birthright, Conquest and Revelations), which should I start with?
God... thank you for being a Fire Emblem fan that doesn't hate these games, especially fates. I feel like I'm so alone. Sometimes I genuinely think me and my friend are the only people who actually LIKE Fates. Not only do I like Fates, I LOVE it. It's one of my favorite games of all time. And yes, I have played older Fire Emblems. Not a lot of them, only Fire Emblem GBA and Path of Radiance, but I didn't care much for either of them. They were good, but they feel so old. I know that's to be expected but it's so hard to go back since I've played these games.
BLAZINGKNIGHT, and Heemin. You guys outdid yourselves with this collab it was amazing. This is no doubt the best way to have capped the fates marathon. Keep up the great work you two.
"I believe the term you're looking for is "tsundere."" Sure, if "Tsundere" and "Unlikable Harpy" aren't mutually exclusive things, we can go with that. :P
While I do agree with your opinion of Fates being better than Awakening, There is one thing that irks me when it comes to grading, It that While Fates did have a better story, When you can only say that for 1 out 3 story lines, It makes the grading kinda even in my opinion. But all in all, this was one the most well built arguments I'v seen on internet for both this games. Keep up the good work.
Honestly I would rank Birthright’s story over Awakening as well. I think people give Awakening’s plot too much credit/ not enough credit to the story of Fates. Conquest has plot holes galore, but Awakening has several holes as well. Did Lucina and co. time travel or come from another world/dimension? The story implies it’s time travel, but some of the xenologues say it’s that they’re from another world. If it’s time travel, then why did everyone get separated in the process (it makes sense for gameplay purposes, but for stoy purposes, it makes no sense)? And the biggest offender if it’s time travel: in the Future Past xenologues, when Chrom and his party traveled in time to aid the children fighting Grima, they get sent back to their own time, which never happens to the children in Chrom’s party. How the f**k does that make any sense?!?!?!?!?!?! On the other hand, if they came from another world... then what the hell was the f**king point of traveling. Are the worlds’ environments connected somehow? If not, then how is Naga’s ritual supposed to aid the world if all it does is benefit another (if the Grima of Lucina’s world wasn’t dumb enough to leave with Lucina and company just because Fate and cliche reasons, then Lucina and company would have achieved nothing for their world/time. This is part of why I hate video game plots that have major incorporations of time travel. It’s so easy to create so many meaningful questions that get left unanswered (Pokémon mystery dungeon games get a free pass since the incorporation of time travel was well explained. Dialga had great time travel abilities, but he couldn’t focus on the bigger picture since the corruption he was going through did essentially make him dumb. Games with minor usage of time travel like Kingdom Hearts 2 also get a free pass since minor uses don’t need to be heavily explained.)
There is another important category I feel could have been brought up, which was in which game put in more small details and polish to the overall game, which is a category I feel Awakening did better on. This would be little things like giving each weapon its own unique icon, displaying unit weaknesses in the UI. having unique dialogue for different pairing (Lucina's judgement, stuff for each of Lucina's mothers in her identity reveal, lines for Robin's partner and children in the ending where Chrom seals Grima away, Chrom with his kids during their Paralogues), special dialogue in general during paralogue (Awakening had more of this, where Fates only did it in a few main missions), a traversable world map that gives a better impression of scale and where things take place relative to one another, and a bunch of other little things. This was honestly something that bugged me a lot in Fates: it felt like all the effort was put into the main story and doing three routes that the overall presentation suffered.
BLAZINGKNIGHT I am currently getting back into fire emblem fates and playing birthright on phoenix mode so I didn't risk me raging enough to breaking my 3ds. (hasn't happened but better safe than sorry) I ask forgiveness for my sins. *bows down* please don't send the fire emblem fans in an angry mob and have my head on a stick.
Even if i still prefer Awakening, the conclusion that you two came at the end really satisfsy me, also, OH MY GOD!!!!! FINALLY!! FINALLY YOU ARE PLAYNG FIRE EMBLEM GENEALOGY OF THE HOLY WAR!!!
if only they made a game that combined both Fates and Awakening like the story line of awakening and the graphics and art of Fates and now Echoes. so that way, Players from both Awakening and Fates would be happy and not at war all of the damn time honestly.
yeah i would love a co-lab between the two would be great but i think that chrom would be better suited as the leader for it in my opinion instead or corrin since chrom has robin with him
Thank Naga, at least some people recognize that Corrin actually has a character in Conquest. Im playing Conquest right now and when I reached Kaze's recruitment I was shocked at Corrin acting as a proper character
Ah, I've been waiting for this one. Congrats on your first collaboration! Overall, I'd say that I do prefer Fates, but mainly because of Conquest and the Nohrian side, which I think had the overall best characters, chapters and challenge of all three routes and both games. By its virtues, it's now my 3rd favourite Fire Emblem game, with 7 and 9 being basically tied for first.
I'm gonna admit, I agreed with everything you guys said except for the music point. In my opinion all of the awakening music combined was better that the fates music. While end of all is my favorite fire emblem song and lost in thought all alone is great, all the other fates songs weren't too memorable while every awakening song was awesome
Dear CrashX500. Please verify information before publishing it in a video. Your cohost said that Awakening introduced reclassing, but Shadow Dragon and New Mystery long ago had reclassing already.
despite it's problems (and yes ik there are a lot), conquest is my favorite game of all time. and i actually have played past fe games. also, i honestly really liked revelations. the map design and objective was always different and unique. The way u put it at the end was great. When u look back, it's not as good as u remember it to be, but I still love it just as much. Conquest is gonna be my favorite game of all time for a while
I basically agree with everything except for in regards to the story: and that is simply due to personal preference. I found the plot holes of all of the Fates stories too distracting and overall took away from the experience I had with them. While Awakening's story was more basic, it was self contained, had far fewer glaring plotholes, and had a start, middle, and end where I wasn't expected to drop $80 plus DLC to get the full narrative. So while Fates did have better moments and did a lot of things better, I was left incredibly frustrated by how Fates' story turned out. Awakening I left the game satisfied, and for that reason, in my opinion, Awakening's story was overall better (if only because Fates' story annoyed the hell out of me. Also, shut up Corrin! Just stop talking, you whiny little Mary Sue) Also, while I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I actually loved the plot twist in Awakening of Robin being Grima's vessel. To me it was a clever way to subvert the typical story formula of a fantasy narrative: where normally there is some chosen hero who is a leader, has a legendary weapon, and kills the big bad. Awakening gives us that character in the form of Chrom, with that narrative being essentially what went down in the original timeline... and it ended badly. But in the actual game the story shifts focus to Robin, who is not the typical fantasy protagonist. Robin is the kind of character who takes the role of best friend: he is smart, tactical, clever, supportive: but isn't the typical heroic, brave, charismatic protagonist. And rather than have a heroic destiny, you discover that he has the opposite: he is destined to destroy the world. The thing that makes him special and "chosen" is purely a negative. Yet despite this, he becomes the hero in the end of the story: which perfectly fits into the central theme of changing fate. Robin's not a born hero, he's destined to destroy the world, but in the end steps up and saves it instead. That to me is why the third arc of Awakening is actually the best part of the game in my opinion. But anyways, while yes Fates is the better game in the subjective sense (mainly on account for its gameplay), I still subjectively love Awakening far more PS: As on final note I'd also like to say: Future Past >>>>>>>> Heirs of Fates. Seriously, fuck Heirs of Fates, I have so many problems with that DLC and its stupid plot holes and how utterly unnecessary it was, just... *incoherent screaming* PSS: I forgot to mention that another factor in Awakening's favor for me is that it has Lucina, and I will ship Robin x Lucina until the day I die.
TheWerdna yeah i totally agree with you on the points you've given. I like that in the end they made robin the hero at the end of awakening but chrom did have good high points that made me like him as a charcter like how he takes emm's sacrifice to heart and tries to incorporate her beliefs while following robin's advice to stay true to his own. this is holds true when chrom fights walhart. lets not forget that without lucina's interference none of this wouldn't happen. even though many people find robin to be grima at the end bad i think that it was great the he/she was the main villian because it gave you a purpose to stop him/herself and the messages the shepherds give to robin in endgame become more personal as a result to break free from grima's hold. that's what i really liked about it. in terms of the children dlc for both, i felt that the future past gave retribution to the parents that even though their future selfs are dead the parent units of the present can pickup where the future parents left off. the heirs of fate at least gave me a reason for the children being there. at least you yourself are commanding the armies instead of them being support unlike future past. also they had the best version of end of all with shigure (could picture chrom singing the song) overall agreed that future past is better than heirs of fate now that you've said your points since back then i really did think the heirs of fate was the better of the two. the factor of liking awakening more than fates for me was chrom and lucina. they are a great father-daughter team especially outside of their own game in project x zone 2. their relationship with robin felt real, personal, and funny. when it came to female robin's supports with chrom and lucina if female robin isn't lucina's mom it made me laugh so hard but felt reassuring at the end. Male robin's supports with chrom and lucina felt like he was there for them being the support they needed, even though at the start male robin was being a worrywart with chrom. thanks for your comment boy this was long too.
Am I the only one who is seriously bothered by Awakening’s time travel?!?!?! Because I find the time travel to be a far bigger red flag than anything that raised a red flag in Conquest or Revelation.
Fire Emblem Awakening was meant to be the last game in the series, so the developer's greatest efforts, all rescources and more were put into it. This I feel made a big turn in the FE series. This has amped up the expectations for both the fans for the game and, funnily enough, the developers excpectations for themselves. So lets take a moment to thank Awakening from reviving the series, and setting it to a higher standard, even though I do agree Fates is the better game overall. Even though most of the aspects of Fates WERE improved assets of Awakening. If there was no Awakening, there would have been no Fates.
I'm honestly really impressed with your guys's acting in this, especially Heemin as you honestly seem like you're reacting to something that had to be animated in later.
I feel like the Fates story should have been penalized for having it in 3 different games that had to be bought separately. I understand that you got the special edition, which included all 3 games, but the rest of us groaned when we ere told to buy the other games online if we wanted another path at branching paths. That said, you clearly deliberated carefully and the margin of victory was only 1 point, so its not like either game was judged unfairly. Also, it would be interesting to hear your opinion on the alternate future DLC for both game, Future Past and Heirs of Fate. While Heirs of Fate centers around the children that are not as good as Awakening, I believe both stories offered a better conclusion than the games proper, though I may be one of the few who believes this.
I feel like Awakening had the better story. In Awakening, I cried in sad moments and felt genuinely bad when losing any unit in classic mode. In Fates, I didn't care for Kaze and other characters. And the children characters were explained exponentially better in Awakening than Fates.
Wow that blond 'stached guy sure has a lively personality! He got a new subscriber tonight. Great content as always mr. Blazing Knight and thanks for introducing us to other great people!
Fire Emblem Fates having a better soundrack? Nonono. As student with advanced musial training. Awakening's soundtrack was literally BONE-CHILLING. Pure gold. (Prelude, Call Me Marth, Dont Speak Her Name) I cannot say the same for Fates. Fates's music was mostly gimmicky and easily forgettable. Especially Hoshido's... There was more variety, but quality over quantity remember.
That's all well and good but you do realize that this is all based on opinions and personal preference, not to mention music is incredibly subjective, and both of us agree that Fates soundtrack was overall better.
I agree but I think that the fanboyism and bias towards Fates is a little too strong. I mean, come on. Fates re-used multiple tracks from Awakening to begin with...
Since I usually listen to rock music and Fire Emblem LPs while playing Fire Emblem, I only really remember a few songs, but I agree that Awakening's sound track is very memorable, since I cannot remember a single track from Fates, other than the water one, and the themes.
Daisy Yang honestly I am with Sir Blaze. The sound track has more verity in fates with each song sounding almost tailored for that particular moment and/ or point in the story. I mean have you even LISTENED to justice rip?!? Or literally ANY of the nohrian songs? How bout Alight storm? And that's not even mentioning revelations sound track!
At least for my taste, I liked more the art style from awakening, mainly because of the marriage scenes. The ones in fates looked a bit awkward for my taste, but the ones in awakening were amazing.
Not really. Look at Libra, a man devoted to the gods, but suffers such a pain and has a darkness in his heart so bad that even THARJA is taken aback by it. Or Henry, who was abandoned by his parents, sent to a school where kids are punished by being spiked to death (look at Henry's battle quote in the DLC Death's Embrace) and losing the wolf that Henry saw as his family. Henry's inability to see right from wrong is something that makes sense, and no one can understand how Henry feels. Hell, sometimes even Henry doesn't. Or let's go with the future kids, who come from a future where its literally hell. How is it that they even maintain that happy attitude at all? Its a miracle they aren't all like Gerome or even slightly insane. Inigo even admits that he stopped feeling anything of killing zombies of good people because he's done it so many times now. Or Tiki, who has gone through 2000 years after her journey with Marth. She LOST EVERYONE she loved because she's a Manakete. Even Bantu is no longer with her, because he's out traveling, and still didn't reunite despite being hinted to still being alive in Awakening. And there's Lucina, who is resolved to save her future no matter what. Guess what she went through: 1) Failing to truly alter Emmeryn's death and ultimately SEEING her aunt die. 2) Having to hide behind a mask that she reveals that she wanted to break down in tears after seeing her father alive again, but the mask made her hold back her pain. 3) She never trusted anyone in Chrom's group because anyone could have been his killer, which Robin calls her out on. 4) Robin is said killer. If Robin is Lucina's mother or husband, Lucina has to realize that to save Chrom, she has to kill her own mother or the man she fell in love with. 5) Ironic twist, Robin isn't just Chrom's killer. He's GRIMA! The very being that strikes fear into Lucina's heart, plagues her nightmares, made her go through hell. 6) Even after she puts her faith in the bonds that tie with Chrom and Robin, if Robin sacrifices themselves, Lucina basically had to see someone that she grew to love (even as a friend) DIE in front of her. There are a LOT of depth in characters if you just take the time to look at them more.
Whereas the characters in Fates get annoyingly stupid very quickly despite their depth BECAUSE OF THEIR OBSESSION WITH CORRIN. When Corrin becomes the center of attention THIS badly, it hurts all the character's depths. We know and see how deep and tough they have it. But when Corrin causes them to be so influenced, especially by their decisions of BCR (Birthright Conquest Revelation), then it just makes them a bit annoying.
If I did this video, the end results would look like this: Sacred Stones, Sacred Stones, Sacred Stones, Sacred Stones Sacred Stones, Sacred Stones Sacred Stones, Sacred Stones
i haven't watched one of your videos in months because of my general lack of interest in fire emblem as of late, but today i was in a fire emblem mood, so i decided to watch this video. i'm really glad i did awesome video 10/10
I agree 100% that the Awakening characters are better than the Fates characters, but I personally like Corrin more than Robin. I like the fact that Corrin has problems killing people and is capable of making mistakes. Robin is just this perfect tactical god with no flaws and that just makes for a boring character.
Ah, Monster Hunter. The second series that is getting significantly more popular in the west (but not FIre Emblem popular). Can't wait to hear your thoughts on Generations. :) On a side note, which of the games would you do a Lunatic playthrough on? Conquest or Awakening?
Nice Fire Emblem channel mate. Also, my god this was hilarious to watch XD ALL THE TRIGGERED SEGMENTS N THE SALT LMAO 😂😂😂 NICE WORK GUYS. U BROKE MY FUNNY BONES XD
I actually expected Awakening to win actually since pretty much every Fire Emblem fan hate Fates with a passion (at least from what I've seen) but I was surprised that Fates ultimately won. When it comes to both games, I think both games excel more in different areas. Awakening is a better game when it comes to story, but the gameplay has a lot of problems like reclassing, broken characters, things like pair up and Dual guarding/striking ect. Fates is much weaker than Awakening story wise (just look at how many people hates Conquest and Revelations stories) but its much more polished when it comes to gameplay since pair up isn't as powerful, reclassing doesn't matter nearly as much, no one is flat out overpowered, maps are much more unique and varied, and Dual guarding/striking is much easier to do. Characters feel equal to me since I love a lot of characters from both games. Graphically and audio wise, both games are beautiful and boast incredibly soundtracks for Fire Emblem and possibly any other Nintendo games out there.
Actually, Phoenix mode looks fun for a blitz run. You move when a certain amount of time before hitting "end" when time's up, just to see how much you can get away in phoenix mode.
18:38 - 18:41 ...What have you done Blazing Knight...WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! You've opened *that* can of worms! (......not saying you're completely wrong about that though...) ;P
Not going to rage or anything. I'm keeping this civil because it was overall a great video but my major areas of contention are in music and story. For music, standout tracks mean more to me than tracks that fit level design better. I can only remember like 5 or 6 Fates tracks by name, with its only amazing standout track being Lost in Thoughts All Alone. As for Awakening, I would argue that the emotional perfection of Don't Speak Her Name at minimum is a match for Lost in Thoughts All Alone. In addition, Awakening had the amazing Id tracks which each captured their respective emotions perfectly with standouts being Id Sorrow, Id Hope, and my favorite and the final boss track Id Purpose. As for story, I don't see how it's fair to say just because you both felt Conquest was the overall best story that Fates' stories as a whole trump Awakening's. It's like I entered a writing contest and submitted one entry and then another person wrote 3 stories and submitted them all, and my story placed 2nd while one of their 3 placed 1st with their other two stories not even making the podium. Fates had more chances to get it right than Awakening and in your estimation, only succeeded once out of 3 attempts. I feel that it should have been a draw at worst. Again though, I did love this video. Great Job!
The music thing really only depends on what you played first. I played Fates first, and I can name pretty much every song. Really, the music part of this video is stupid. When it comes to taste, there is no dispute. You just can't argue which is better really.
Don't Blame Takumi. Well now you're just splitting hairs. I like Blazing sword soundtrack better than Awakening and Fates. I just remember Awakening more.
Notable awakening songs are "Don't speak her name!" "ID: Purpose"(I liked that song, ok?) "And what if I can't? What if I'm not worthy of her Ideals?" and that conquerer's theme. I don't remember his name, he was kinda forgettable.
It really can be either way. I have played Fates first, and then Awakening. I can name almost any Fates track but almost no Awakening tracks. It really depends on what you played first
I probably would have given the win to fates in round 3, for the way they zoom in on where the characters are suppose to be on the battlefield when entering combat. That was pretty cool.
Amazing video as always! I can't believe it came down to story, it was a mess in both! If we were talking about Awakening's first arc only then Awakening would definitely be the winner. Conquest's story is probably considered the worst because it had the most lost potential. I loved your reasonings for all the points too. When it comes to art style I actually prefer Fates; yes Awakening started it, but fates had the best aesthetics in my opinion. I found enemy portraits, the stat layout page and the map transitions to be amazing! I especially found that playing Awakening after Fates the stat display screen seemed boring. That's just me nitpicking though. Once again amazing video and thanks for the Fates marathon!!!! Also random question, I know you like anime, so have you watched Assassination Classroom?
Not a problem i'm glad you enjoyed the video and the marathon, also I have not watched assassination classrom but i've heard good things about it, what do you think about it?
BLAZINGKNIGHT Of course I enjoyed it! You are officially the #1 Fire Emblem youtuber! Guess I'll have to play Monster Hunter so I can watch your upcoming videos... I just finished it and really enjoyed it. It had a fantastic mix between serious and downright hilarious. I also felt it did a really good job with its character development; the characters from the end are almost nothing like they were at the start. I think you'd like it, I'm also a fan of it because it has pretty much zero fan service!
Well i'm glad you think that highly of me, and you don't have to be a fan of monster hunter to enjoy the monster hunter video. From what you've said assassination classroom seems like something i'll enjoy, I love anime that manage to balance both comedy and dark elements seamlessly (good examples being trigun and soul eater), so i'll add it to my ever growing "anime I need to watch list", and give it a watch at some point, thanks for winning me over on it. :)
Very true, but it does help when I at least kind of know what you're talking about :) Last one I watched I enjoyed, but I had no clue what anything meant. No problem :) if it helps my anime to watch list is pretty long too. Especially when I add some shows from your "unexpectedly good" anime list. (I also still need to watch Log Horizon, that one's next). Also forgot to mention, there is one fan service character, but she's kind of like Camilla if anything. Unnecessarily large chest. At least with this one it fits her persona and assassination style though so it's easier to gloss over.
guess i shouldnt be too salty that awakening lost. glad that you both think that awakening had a charm that fates didnt. overall love the skits you guys pulled off from the sumia bribe to the war zone when you guys said conquest had the best story that was hilarious. btw sumia is in my top 10 for awakening characters. great vid you got yourself a subscriber.
Great video BlazingKnight and HeeminGaminStation. This collaboration was hilarious, I laughed quite a few times throughout the video. For me personally, Awakening will always be my favorite 3DS game and Fire Emblem game to date. I have fond memories of FE Fates but Awakening helped me invest more into the series. I'm now looking forward to what IS has in store for FE Switch.
Love THE moment you pissed of everybody than i looked at my animo like 80% Said conquest was THE best story in my chat even Serenedespair who Joined for no Reason
Very entertaining, loved this colab and hope you two can colab again. And now... Random comment.*sees fire emblem 4* HE HAS THE HOLY GRAIL! HE FOUND IT!
You know, the further I get into this video, the more I realize I really don't care which of these games is better. They're both absolutely fantastic. I pretty much gave up on Pokemon entirely to focus all of my time and effort (and money) on Fire Emblem instead as my go-to Nintendo franchise. Before Fire Emblem came along, the Final Fantasy series took the cake for me in the RPG category, but now it does indeed have a steep contender.
I put a ton of hours into Awakening and played through a few different times, but I was lucky with Fates because I got it, beat Birthright, got 3/4 of the way through Conquest and then my 3DS got lost during a move. (This was right when Fates was released). It is now November 2017 and I just finally replaced my 3DS and thanks to the long break, I’m not as burnt out on Fates as I was beginning to feel back when I first got it. Hopefully that feeling will last when I finally start Revelations. The funny thing is, I could honestly start another playthrough of Awakening again right now with no feelings of burn out. I definitely agree with Conquest having the best story out of Fates (so far) but I would have really liked to have seen Garon and Nohr have more of a reason for expansion and fighting than “Garon is obviously evil”. I would have liked a more gray area and have Corrin struggle with believing in Nohr’s reasons for war but struggling with it putting him at odds with his blood family. That being said I did really enjoy Conquest’s story I just think it could have been so much more.
21:16 And that reasoning is basically why I don't count the House Leaders from Three Houses as bosses. More so playable characters. The same for the houses. I'd even go so far as to say none of the houses and Church are pure villains. With only TWSITD being the proper main villains in my eyes.
Hmmmmmmmmmm....... If I didn't like you guys so much I guess I would be one of the viewers banging on your door :P But whilst I don't fully agree with the end result I can understand how you got to it. And I appreciate all the effort and thought you both put into this. Well done! :D
Can't wait until you guys get around to playing the SNES Fire Emblem games and can make videos about it! Thracia 776 is just so quirky in it's own right based on game mechanics and chapter design. It has that extra 'lustre' you were talking about to when saying that Awakening seemed like the better game of the two despite scoring lower.
You do realize that you basically did a 1 VS 3, right? Each path of fates has its own positives. It's kind of hard for one game to go against 3 games in something like this. MONSTER HUNTER!!!!! YES!! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR MORE!!!
Personally, I like Awakening's story better simply because it's more thematically cohesive. (Also, I understand why the Robin twist seems stupid, but it sets itself up for a great payoff at the end, so I don't mind it.) Even Conquest (which I, too, feel had the most interesting story in Fates) could have had half as many chapters and still gotten all the important points of the plot across. This is a great video, though!
hey blazingknight i liked your video but i disagree with your thoughts on pheniox mode due to my preference story and character relations then losing units
Now that I'm through the video, I have to say that I disagree with some of the decisions. Particularly in regards to Fates winning in Soundtrack, I don't think anyone can ever convince me of that. There were moments in Awakening that I just stopped and listened to the music. Even when I don't want to play the game I still like listening to the music. The music in Fates... I can't even remember a single track that stood out to me like that. As for Story? I mean, what is story, exactly? It's a series of moments that connect with you, that stick with you, that evoke emotion in you. It is the journey you take along with the characters. Awakening, in part due to it's pace and attempt to cram 3 satisfying arcs into one game, is packed full of these moments. Even the paralogues where you're rescuing the child units. In Fates, there were a couple moments per route that impacted me. I feel like more than half the route of each path of Fates was just "go here, fight some guys, maybe some new units will show up to help you." I don't feel like there was a lot of purpose to most of the maps. You're just... being handed missions from your superiors or wandering around aimlessly looking for help. And you say yourselves in the video that most of the bosses of the maps in these games are just speed-bumps, at least Awakening's bosses were memorable speed-bumps. Fates just feels packed full of so much filler and the filler content in Awakening is just more memorable. Awakening is Bandits > Revenants > Make alliance with the Khans > Gangrel Invades > Try to save Emmeryn > Mustafa > Defeat Gangrel > Walhart's invasion > Child Paralogues > Yen'fay > Defeat Walhart > Validar > Deadlords! (god that chapter gave me chills even after I realized how statistically superior my force was) > Validar Showdown > Grima. They even managed to make the "You Are Not Alone" moment meaningful, where Fates felt corny and cliche doing the same dang thing without earning it. And I didn't look that up, I remember it all. (As for map design, I really miss Escape and Survive) Ultimately, the better game is the one you can't put down. If I can play Awakening 3 times in a row, grinding up characters for perfect skill combinations, and still be having fun, but then I can only play the three routes of Fates once each and then feel fatigued with the whole thing... it's clear which game I think is better.
I’m sorry- did you say satisfying arcs in Awakening? The only satisfying Arc in Awakening was the initial Plegian arc. After that, it only got worse from there. Valm was a massive filler arc, and Grima’s arc was just plain awful. As for you aren’t alone? I’m sorry, but they’re equally corny in both games. But the thing I disagree with you the most on is bosses. What exactly is memorable for any of these bosses in Awakening other than the big baddies?!?! Nothing!!!! Don’t get me wrong- it’s not any better in Fates, but I feel as if you’re purposely criticizing Fates for many problems Awakening has while giving it a free pass.
I'm only at part three right now but I just felt I should mention that in gameplay..at least it should have been brought up how in Fates it can be SO easy to miss out on a character, then save yourself out of being able to get them due to not really expecting it to be permanent if in casual mode example? my first playthrough of BR I lost out on Kaze and Midori cuz I figured him falling into the pit was just a temporary thing adn he would show up later. I got through about 5 chapters before looking it up, then raged because the game gave NO hints that you had to get him to rank A in order for him to live in Conquest Ignatious ended up dying in his recruitment chapter, but I figured it was casual mode so it would be fine. cutscene plays, IN cutscene he is obviosuly alive and says he will join. ok, so he's in. save. check army after? no ignacious. I feel things like this should at least have been mentioned. I still agree Fate is better overall for gameplay, but I do question some design choices.
0MidnighttheDragon0 they do give one hint for kaze... granted its easily missable midoris paralouge won't show up until after although it doesn't tell you how to save kaze
There is one thing about Awakening's " art style " that I think it has over Fates. *The color palette.* For the characters, specifically. Awakening's characters had more color variety. With Fates, you get red, blue, and brown in Birthright, and black, purple, and yellow in Conquest. It's, of course, a bit better in Revelations since you combine the sides, but, even then, it can end up being pretty boring to look at. Awakening just has more bright and eye-catching colors and uses them much better, in my opinion. Fates is simply more dull in that aspect. A pretty important part of that " Awakening charm ", in my book, is just how _flashy_ the game is.
@@tahamohammad8842 Yeah, I 100% agree. I didn't put it in the comment, but Awakening's characters actually show their personalities in their appearances; I don't really get that with Fates with very few exceptions. So Awakening definitely has that advantage.
Awakening Story: Validar's a dick, Gangrel's a dick, Walhart's a dick, Validar's a dick again, and then giant dragon.
Birthright story: they killed my mom, Xander why are you so blindly loyal to the point where it's stupid, Lobster kills everything, giant dragon.
Conquest Story: they killed my mom, but I'm staying with them anyway cause reasons. Let's plan to take evil dad out from the inside, but only do it in the last 2 chapters of the game. :| then blob monster and angry pineapple yelling "traitor"
Revelations story: fuck all you guys jk please be friends, and then when it works, lets go to giratina's distortion world and kill a giant dragon.
Suffice to say, they all need work.
You sir, deserve a medal
Agreed.
To be fair there are others in the series that could use work (binding blade for instance).
I actually agree with this completely... remember when the games used to have good story and real good twists *cough* Fire Emblem 7 *cough* Eliwood accidentally killing Ninian *cough*
Tellius clearly has the best story of all Fire Emblem worlds.
Path of Radiance is excellent and Radiant Dawn is ambitious af. Between the two of them, Tellius is THE most fleshed out and developed of all FE regions, bar none. This is not up for discussion. On a personal note, I really liked RD's mature take on politics. I didn't feel talked down to and I understood exactly what each nation had at stake.
Also, Ike/Elincia >>>> Chrom and Corrin. Hell, even Micaiah is better than Nohr!Corrin.
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I have to completely disagree with the notion that the two should be tied for their graphics. The FIRST thing I noticed playing Fates was how much they improved on the combat animations, the transitions in and out of animations are so smooth and incorporate movement and the map which alone is a giant improvement, and the attack animations themselves are so dynamic and varied like the GBA games. Awakenings animations were very stale, and I had animations turned off very often. That being said spell animations are still pretty lame in Fates.
Summed it up pretty well.
I'm a little dissapointed the voice acting wasn't brought to question though...
Honestly I felt the voice acting in fates was nowhere near as good as awakening... I found so many character's voices so cringy in fates I'm one of those subs > Dubs people because usually the delivery and voice are better but the Awakening English dub was so good! Honestly the English dub was probably better then the Japanese in awakenings case (But Damn Chrom being voiced by Tsugita the voice of the troll of anime Gin was just amazing!)
Fates on the other hand... a lot of the voices were hit or miss and because there was such a big cast a lot of voice actors voiced 2-3 characters some did a good job sounding different but others... were so obvious that kinda bothered me a little
yazminyari yeah awaking cast is so much better
yazminyari yeah i totally agree with the voices. while some of the VAs (voice actors) were reused like chrom's VA i feel that fate's VAs tried a bit too hard while awakening's VAs felt a bit more natural. but i will say shigure singing lost in thoughts makes me picture that chrom could sing it too, (chrom and shigure share the same VA). though i will say that both have a lot of memorable crit quotes, my favorite part of the game when they introduced awakening.
Awakening has better voice acting overall for both languages, but I actually prefer Fates' dub. The reuse of voice actors for each character doesn't nearly bother me as much as almost every single female voice actress in the Japanese version sounding like kawaii waifu bait difficult to identify just by ear.
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I agree with the closing comment about Awakening's charm. Fates is just so MEH to me. Even though I'm aware Fates is a a more technically proficient game in terms of gameplay structure, I still have a much better time replaying Awakening compared to Fates, for many reasons
Heemin had a gun, Gunslinger class confirmed for next FE game.
For me personally, what makes Awakening more fun to play was because of it's better story. It's not good, but better than what Fates gave us. If I had to list out the best of Fates in terms of story, it would be Conquest, then Birthright, and Revelation in last. Conquest felt like it attempted something with siding with Nohr. It didn't work, it failed spectacularly, but it at least attempted to be something. Birthright is so basic that it makes Shadow Dragon look good, and Revelation turned into a train wreck by the end, with nothing on the world of Valla being revealed to us, deaths of supposedly important characters (Arete, Mikoto, and Sumeragi) that you couldn't care for because you know nothing about them other than "He/She is this characters' mom/dad," and Anakos felt like Grima 2.0
Also, in regards to story, I've noticed a very disturbing trend. After Path of Radiance, the quality of writing seemed to just keep getting worse with each new installment (I'm not counting FE 11 or 12 because those were remakes).
1. Radiant Dawn got messy with its four act structure, bad balancing, the Dawn Brigade getting the shaft, and the contrived Blood Pact scenario.
2. Awakening was bad for trying to cram in 3 arcs into only 27 chapters, with Walhart's arc being absolutely meaningless in the end (Seriously, you could cut out that arc entirely and nothing would be loss. Hell, the story would probably have been better because there would be more time to flesh out the Plegia Arc and the Future Arc), a lot less world building than in previous games, and a little too much reliance on anime tropes.
3. Fates brought the series to a new low with practically no world building, to the point where Intelligent Systems was too lazy to draw out a map of whatever continent Fates takes place on (Seriously, they couldn't even write down the name of the continent, something that has been done since the FIRST game on the NES) and just used a random Google Earth image; having one of, if not the worst, lord of the whole series, Corrin, a practical Mary-Sue who is so loved by everyone that the only reason why anyone would hate him is because they are possessed (Takumi, Gunter), is a generic asshole (Hans and Iago), or a literal monster (Slime Monster Garon). It got so bad at the end of Conquest where Hinoka, who should be pretty livid that Corrin literally caused the death of over half of her family, let hundreds of innocent civilians die, caused a bunch of property damage, and prematurely made her the queen of a war-torn nation that she is pretty much unprepared to lead, remembers that this is Corrin that she is taking to, and brushed off the whole thing by saying "Hoshido's fate is what it is;" and most of Fate's characters being one note anime trope, to the point where the Royal Family members are mirrors of the exact same anime trope.
*Now that I think about it, what really makes Fates the worst in terms of story is that it repeats itself CONSTANTLY. Leo, Elise, and Camilla all have the same "Concubine mother who used their child to get close to Garon," nearly every non-child and non-royal character are just retainers, maps are constantly reused, even when all the way back in 2015 they said that wasn't going to happen, they repeat scenarios (The accidentally attacking Wind Tribe members was in both Birthright and in Revelations, the obligatory animal unit somehow gets lost in Cyrkensia, you fight your older brother in an obligatory one on one duel, Revelations has three traitor angles in the form of Anthony, Mikoto, and Gunter, the list goes on), and overall just felt like Intelligent Systems just gave no shits when designing the world of Fates.
Getting back on point, if this trend continues, we will see worse and worse stories in the future, and with Fire Emblem getting more and more popular despite coming out with worse and worse stories, this trend won't likely reverse itself anytime in the foreseeable future. I would like to hear your thoughts on my proposed trend BLAZINGKNIGHT.
XIII Hearts Well, Echoes won't count as it uses Gaiden's story, and...map design (scary).
I've gone back played the original Gaiden, and I would describe the story as simple, but effective. There's now contradictory writing, nothing that will make you bang your head on a wall from the sheer stupidity of any situation. And from what I've seen of Echoes, it looks like it will turn out well. Though I will agree that some maps won't be doing the game favors.
Echoes feels more like a zelda game with an annoying hunger mechanic to me
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2 years later and three houses comes out with a story that returns to form and completely blows away the story in awakening and fates, seriously if you haven’t played three houses yet you need to.
Best Fire Emblem channel I've ever seen. Great job BlazingKnight! You deserve more subscribers!
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Thanks very much i'm glad you think i'm the best fire emblem channel! :D
BlazingKnight No problem at all! I'll continue to support you! c:
19:05 , HEEEEEEEEEEYY, that's my joke.
actually, this video was really entertaining and the skits were absolutely wonderful. this video had, well, Awakening's charm to it.
a note to Heemin; thank you for your Awakening videos several years ago, they were what made me buy the game and I enjoy those videos to death. thanks to crash for helping me find your channel again, the second I saw you added to Crash's featured channels I clicked on your channel and it was a lot like meeting an old friend. thank you Heemin. I wouldn't love Fire Emblem if it wasn't for you.
otherwise, good job on this awesome video guys, I'm looking forward to more collabs in the future.
hats off to you gentlemen.
p.s. Crash, I loved the holes about angry comments, but since you're playing FE4 now, prepare yourself. you have no idea what you have done.
Well Thank you very much, Zerk, that is certainly high praise and I'm very happy to hear that ^_^
Heemin Gamin Station oh, hai, I'm really glad you saw this, thank you man, stay awesome!
I wonder if you could also make a cooperative video with BlazingKnight as well, Zerk. Would be interesting, since you both have your own Fire Emblem-ish type of avatar. With you having the avatar resembling Xander and BlazingKnight liking the more colorful look of Black Knight.
Axis probably someday.
Which of all 4 of these games should I start with?
Ah Ha! Fantastic video there BlazingKnight! and I'm not just saying that 'cause your collab partner has a sexy mustache.
I really enjoyed all the parts you brought up. (I mean I think I see more through the swirlly eyes of the other guy) but I can certainly respect and enjoy the video, I have enjoyed every video in the Marathon and am very interested to see you grow as content creator on TH-cam.
Well i'm glad you enjoyed the video and it was wonderful to work with you dude, and your sexy mustache. I very much look forward to seeing what you have in store for the future.
BLAZINGKNIGHT I'm surprised that u never did a video of valkyria chronicles series (it like fire emblem but more WWII because of guns and for PS3 and PSP)
It's because I haven't played the series yet but I've heard many positive things from friends, so now i'm just waiting for that sweet steam sale :D
BLAZINGKNIGHT OH man, u should! It's gameplay is plan amazing including for awakening fans will love it and the music is.................FUCKING GREAT,CRAZY GOOD,and remembering that u wish the missions last longer just to hear it fully.
Really great video and collab from you too, and really?! Most didn't like Conquest?! I actually thought that you two would say that Conquest had a bad story, since I found Conquest as a good story (even if severely flawed) compared to Birthright that is since there's a shade of grey with Conquest. It's basically choosing the lesser of two evils and being able to see Nohr in a new light... *feels people staring at me threateningly* O...k... I think I should run now...
I think Conquest is also the best story in fates despite having massive flaws. It's like they had all those good ideas but didn't have a good way of putting them together. However the good parts were REALLY GOOD like SPOILERS
-Ryoma's sacrifice.
-Takumi's possession which is handled MUCH better here than in Birthright.
-The "dying but waking up because plot armor + friendship" cliche which was handled better than in Awakening and Birthright since it completed Takumi's character arc.
-The closest you ever get to Garon being developped.
-Chapter 18.
-The Cheve incident because it actually had an impact on Corrin and made him question himself / herself and learn from it all which is something Corrin almost never does and actually never does in other routes.
-The Nohrian siblings who actually mattered.
-The way Shura was included which was imo more well written there than in the two other routes.
Oh and this was my favorite video from you! I laughed hard multiple times
Conquest was good as a concept. unfortunately, the execution sucked. the good guys could've ended the plot much sooner, but they acted like idiots
Here's my response to all of the points you brought up.
-Not going to argue with Ryoma's sacrifice, that's honestly one of the only redeemable factors of Conquest's story in my eyes.
-Actually, I think it was handled even worse than Birthright, and this all comes down to Takumi's scene with Corrin before the endgame. We could have had him be possessed because of how much he HATED Corin for choosing Birthright, and understandably so. Anankos could have sensed that hatred and used that to advantage and offered him power to kill Corrin. And on the surface, that's what it sounds like. But really? Nah, turns out Takumi never hated Corrin in the first place and that the reason he was possessed was because his soul died long ago. So that basically tells us that literally every action Takumi has done in Conquest is a result of his possession. That understandable hatred he appeared to have for Corrin? It was just him being possessed by a demon dragon the whole time, and he never hated Corrin for his actions. Rather, he actually wonders what it would have been like to fight at your side. This probably could have been the best aspect of Conquest's story if not for that gigantic hole. All Takumi had to do in that segment was say something like he admitted that he got carried away with Anankos' offer for power, and that he was sorry that his hatred led things to the way they are now. Or better yet, take Takumi out of the sequence altogether. It feels like he's there just to give a last minute to reminder to Corrin that they were never bad ,never will be bad, and they always liked them. It's so fucking cliche it makes me cringe just thinking about it, and it killed what could have been a great character arc.
-See above.
-Not really though. How does Garon actually show signs of development in Conquest other than being a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain? At the end of Birthright, that is where he actually shows promising development, where he actually seems to wonder what his possession is like and is at peace with him dying. If they followed this route in Conquest or even Revelations, Garon could have been a good villain. But nope, other than that one moment in Birthright, he's the same old generic villain he always is. Oh, and did I mention that Conquest has Garon turn out to be a slime monster? Cause that's also pretty terrible too. Yes, as if he wasn't evil enough, let's make him even more evil and take away any human qualities he may have had.
-Chapter 18 is pretty stupidly executed too. Yes, instead of ending the war there and now, let's instead kill our own troops because killing the Hoshidan royal family that way isn't "morally right". Plus the game still has 10 chapters left! How dare they decide to end the game early and end this sorry excuse of a story? Zola did a damn good job capturing all of them in one place, and no one even praises the guy. I honestly feel sorry for him for basically doing his job and getting killed as a result of it. Again, it's the fucking friendship/righteousness is magic cliche, and it makes me nauseate whenever I see it.
-The Cheve incident actually could have been well pulled off...if it weren't for the horribly written characters. Garon is the Saturday Morning Cartoon villain of the game, and NOW Corrin decides to question how good he is? Not after he supposedly killed Mikoto if we're going by the game's story at this point? Not after he sent Corrin to his death on multiple occasions at this point, one of which include the moment where Hans tries to kill him and flat out tells him that it was Garon's orders to kill him? Not after they've repeatedly seen just how cartoonishly and obviously evil Garon is from his personality? NOW they decide that Garon might not be such a good guy after all? Gtfo. This is basically like Xander in Birthright (and even Conquest to a certain degree), and it's atrocious to witness Corrin's naive stupidity. And even with all of these incidents, combined with the recent incident in Cheve, he/she STILL doesn't realize that Garon's kind of a dick when he questions him in the theater the very next chapter. He/she STILL has some hope left that Garon has some good left in him and that he was never a bad guy at all, even though THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT HIS CHARACTER HAS BEEN PORTRAYING SINCE THE MOMENT HE WAS INTRODUCED. It takes Azura's word and a god damn crystal ball for Corrin to finally realize that Garon isn't such a good guy after all. Congratulations, you've just figured out who you have to kill in order to end the war! Are you proud of yourself for piecing together the bad guy? This is just a piece of crap writing that never should have been dug out of the trash can of fanfiction.net in the first place.
-Camilla did absolutely nothing for the plot of Conquest and was just walking fanservice to convince people to play Conquest and bang her. Other than her though, the rest were actually ok in the plot. Elise could have contributed more to the plot instead of just getting sick for one chapter, but it's still something. Camilla's the only major complaint I have about them mattering to the plot; the rest are ok.
-Shura's arc is another diamond in the rough in Conquest's excuse of a story, and actually really well executed the morally gray aspect that Conquest was so desperately trying to enforce in it's story but mostly failed except for that one moment. Maybe if we had more moments similar to that then Conquest's story wouldn't be as terrible.
bfidle i can't believe i actually read all of this.
-yes ryoma's was well done... for the most part. the camera shot makes it look like he's stabbing himself in the balls
-totally. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot
-writers really gotta stop doing this
-that was actually b/c Izumo is supposed to be a neutral nation, which opens up another problem; IZANA DIDN'T REACT TO THE LACK OF NEUTRALITY! granted, the nohr siblings did save his life, but he shouldn't look over the fact that someone from nohr tried to kill him
-yeah, camilla didn't really do anything meaningful
-shura was wasted potential, due to being a corrinsexual
-the cheve incident was one of the worst moments in conquest's plot. cartoon villains and complete idiots galore. to add to your point, xander told corrin NOT to trust hans due to his past as a criminal. not only that, garon also tried to kill corrin when he was a baby (sumeragi died instead)
-in regards to garon's character, i have no idea what Justplay1611 was talking about (it sounds like he was just talking out of his butt). garon was one of the WORST villains in the franchise (iago and hans suck too, for pretty much the same reasons). the ONLY villains that can give these guys competition in the sucky villains department are the begnion senate from radiant dawn (the only ones here who don't suck are oliver and sephiran, b/c they are FAR more sympathetic than the rest, to the point where they can join you)
Now I want to clarify some of my points.
-I think Garon is one of the worst villains in the franchise too, for the same reasons you two mentioned. And when I said "developed" I actually didn't choose my word well. I meant "explained". As Xander explains in chapter 27 (yeah, about time!) why he's loyal to Garon in the first place. And I'll admit, I was partially influenced by my inner fanboy when writing this comment, so sorry about that. Plus, between my first comment and this, I did revisit Birthright through Mangs' let's play and I take my point back. The closest thing we got to Garon being good was indeed at the end of Birthright (even if it's still lacking).
-For Takumi, I disagree. What I got is that the reason why he got possessed in the first place WAS because he hated Corrin for his betrayal and that Anankos took advantage of that just like bfidle suggested. He was... partially alive until chapter 23, before he went full zombie. After that, his body had no soul and was, to quote him, "fueled only by lingering resentment". Maybe I didn't pay enough attention, but it seemed to me that Takumi's character arc wasn't purely "I love Corrin, he's perfect and the only reason why I even disliked his choice was because I was possessed by Spacetime dragon". But I will admit that there was more sucking up to Corrin than needed by the end.
You know, Awkening's choice during the final boss is done so much better than Fates' because, *you actually had a choice*.
A contest between what's the better game between these two is like watching the Sixers and the Nets go into overtime.
Yeah, its pretty entertaining to watch an overtime game, but jfc ya boi its the Sixers and the Nets.
Ghast they’re not that bad
Out of all 4 of these games(between Fire Emblem Awakening and all 3 versions Fates, aka Birthright, Conquest and Revelations), which should I start with?
It is Fates-Athon after all. It would be kind of awkward for Fates to lose during the marathon.
God... thank you for being a Fire Emblem fan that doesn't hate these games, especially fates. I feel like I'm so alone. Sometimes I genuinely think me and my friend are the only people who actually LIKE Fates. Not only do I like Fates, I LOVE it. It's one of my favorite games of all time.
And yes, I have played older Fire Emblems. Not a lot of them, only Fire Emblem GBA and Path of Radiance, but I didn't care much for either of them. They were good, but they feel so old. I know that's to be expected but it's so hard to go back since I've played these games.
Marie's Real Husband Saaaaaaaaame. I totes agree.
These are some of my favorite games on top - and you did so well in ranking them! Two thumbs up, guys.
WHERE IS MANGS AND HIS CREW?!?!?
#BenchLouise
#killingwaifusinFates
#Whydon't youlevelspeed?!
mister linux
FORGET MANGS WHERE REY AND HIS CREW
Forget Mangs and MageKnight, we need our Lord and Savior Tizi to do a collab.
I love how, in the point recap screen, the way the box arts for Birthright and Conquest overlap to form the ultimate edition.
BONQUEST.
BLAZINGKNIGHT, and Heemin. You guys outdid yourselves with this collab it was amazing. This is no doubt the best way to have capped the fates marathon. Keep up the great work you two.
"I believe the term you're looking for is "tsundere.""
Sure, if "Tsundere" and "Unlikable Harpy" aren't mutually exclusive things, we can go with that. :P
While I do agree with your opinion of Fates being better than Awakening, There is one thing that irks me when it comes to grading, It that While Fates did have a better story, When you can only say that for 1 out 3 story lines, It makes the grading kinda even in my opinion. But all in all, this was one the most well built arguments I'v seen on internet for both this games. Keep up the good work.
Honestly I would rank Birthright’s story over Awakening as well. I think people give Awakening’s plot too much credit/ not enough credit to the story of Fates. Conquest has plot holes galore, but Awakening has several holes as well. Did Lucina and co. time travel or come from another world/dimension? The story implies it’s time travel, but some of the xenologues say it’s that they’re from another world.
If it’s time travel, then why did everyone get separated in the process (it makes sense for gameplay purposes, but for stoy purposes, it makes no sense)? And the biggest offender if it’s time travel: in the Future Past xenologues, when Chrom and his party traveled in time to aid the children fighting Grima, they get sent back to their own time, which never happens to the children in Chrom’s party. How the f**k does that make any sense?!?!?!?!?!?!
On the other hand, if they came from another world... then what the hell was the f**king point of traveling. Are the worlds’ environments connected somehow? If not, then how is Naga’s ritual supposed to aid the world if all it does is benefit another (if the Grima of Lucina’s world wasn’t dumb enough to leave with Lucina and company just because Fate and cliche reasons, then Lucina and company would have achieved nothing for their world/time.
This is part of why I hate video game plots that have major incorporations of time travel. It’s so easy to create so many meaningful questions that get left unanswered (Pokémon mystery dungeon games get a free pass since the incorporation of time travel was well explained. Dialga had great time travel abilities, but he couldn’t focus on the bigger picture since the corruption he was going through did essentially make him dumb. Games with minor usage of time travel like Kingdom Hearts 2 also get a free pass since minor uses don’t need to be heavily explained.)
I honestly can't pick between these two games. I love them both to bits, including all the stories and characters.
There is another important category I feel could have been brought up, which was in which game put in more small details and polish to the overall game, which is a category I feel Awakening did better on. This would be little things like giving each weapon its own unique icon, displaying unit weaknesses in the UI. having unique dialogue for different pairing (Lucina's judgement, stuff for each of Lucina's mothers in her identity reveal, lines for Robin's partner and children in the ending where Chrom seals Grima away, Chrom with his kids during their Paralogues), special dialogue in general during paralogue (Awakening had more of this, where Fates only did it in a few main missions), a traversable world map that gives a better impression of scale and where things take place relative to one another, and a bunch of other little things. This was honestly something that bugged me a lot in Fates: it felt like all the effort was put into the main story and doing three routes that the overall presentation suffered.
instead of fighting why don't we just all agree that fire emblem blazing sword is the best one and call it a day
You guys really ought to upgrade from Casual to Phoenix
That's a down grade.
BLAZINGKNIGHT I am currently getting back into fire emblem fates and playing birthright on phoenix mode so I didn't risk me raging enough to breaking my 3ds. (hasn't happened but better safe than sorry) I ask forgiveness for my sins. *bows down* please don't send the fire emblem fans in an angry mob and have my head on a stick.
N7 ODST i do hard-classic cuz i play the gba games and when i play 3ds i so classic cuz it like the old games
Wow, you say Awakening when you hold up the Birthright box, and Fates when you hold up the Awakening box *slow clap*
I am so glad you too collaborated with each other. I love both of you guys and hopefully you will have more in the future.
Even if i still prefer Awakening, the conclusion that you two came at the end really satisfsy me, also, OH MY GOD!!!!! FINALLY!! FINALLY YOU ARE PLAYNG FIRE EMBLEM GENEALOGY OF THE HOLY WAR!!!
I was WAITING to see how this turned out! I was not disappointed(I was actually surprised a few times too)! ;3
if only they made a game that combined both Fates and Awakening like the story line of awakening and the graphics and art of Fates and now Echoes. so that way, Players from both Awakening and Fates would be happy and not at war all of the damn time honestly.
yeah i would love a co-lab between the two would be great but i think that chrom would be better suited as the leader for it in my opinion instead or corrin since chrom has robin with him
Thank Naga, at least some people recognize that Corrin actually has a character in Conquest.
Im playing Conquest right now and when I reached Kaze's recruitment I was shocked at Corrin acting as a proper character
Ah, I've been waiting for this one. Congrats on your first collaboration!
Overall, I'd say that I do prefer Fates, but mainly because of Conquest and the Nohrian side, which I think had the overall best characters, chapters and challenge of all three routes and both games. By its virtues, it's now my 3rd favourite Fire Emblem game, with 7 and 9 being basically tied for first.
I'm gonna admit, I agreed with everything you guys said except for the music point. In my opinion all of the awakening music combined was better that the fates music. While end of all is my favorite fire emblem song and lost in thought all alone is great, all the other fates songs weren't too memorable while every awakening song was awesome
Personally, I’m the opposite with music.
3FORALL is the title
2 games
*Triggered*
Buhnana Farms *TRIGGERED*
Buhnana Farms Should've had New Mystery of the Emblem, imo.
Dear CrashX500.
Please verify information before publishing it in a video. Your cohost said that Awakening introduced reclassing, but Shadow Dragon and New Mystery long ago had reclassing already.
Hey don't look at me I just read the script I had no clue what I was talking about there.
Technically. Awakening _did_ introduce reclassing to the west since New Mystery of the Emblem was a Japan-exclusive.
Sacred stones had reclassing too
***** No, that was just branched promotions.
despite it's problems (and yes ik there are a lot), conquest is my favorite game of all time. and i actually have played past fe games. also, i honestly really liked revelations. the map design and objective was always different and unique. The way u put it at the end was great. When u look back, it's not as good as u remember it to be, but I still love it just as much. Conquest is gonna be my favorite game of all time for a while
I basically agree with everything except for in regards to the story: and that is simply due to personal preference. I found the plot holes of all of the Fates stories too distracting and overall took away from the experience I had with them. While Awakening's story was more basic, it was self contained, had far fewer glaring plotholes, and had a start, middle, and end where I wasn't expected to drop $80 plus DLC to get the full narrative. So while Fates did have better moments and did a lot of things better, I was left incredibly frustrated by how Fates' story turned out. Awakening I left the game satisfied, and for that reason, in my opinion, Awakening's story was overall better (if only because Fates' story annoyed the hell out of me. Also, shut up Corrin! Just stop talking, you whiny little Mary Sue)
Also, while I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I actually loved the plot twist in Awakening of Robin being Grima's vessel. To me it was a clever way to subvert the typical story formula of a fantasy narrative: where normally there is some chosen hero who is a leader, has a legendary weapon, and kills the big bad. Awakening gives us that character in the form of Chrom, with that narrative being essentially what went down in the original timeline... and it ended badly. But in the actual game the story shifts focus to Robin, who is not the typical fantasy protagonist. Robin is the kind of character who takes the role of best friend: he is smart, tactical, clever, supportive: but isn't the typical heroic, brave, charismatic protagonist. And rather than have a heroic destiny, you discover that he has the opposite: he is destined to destroy the world. The thing that makes him special and "chosen" is purely a negative. Yet despite this, he becomes the hero in the end of the story: which perfectly fits into the central theme of changing fate. Robin's not a born hero, he's destined to destroy the world, but in the end steps up and saves it instead. That to me is why the third arc of Awakening is actually the best part of the game in my opinion.
But anyways, while yes Fates is the better game in the subjective sense (mainly on account for its gameplay), I still subjectively love Awakening far more
PS: As on final note I'd also like to say: Future Past >>>>>>>> Heirs of Fates. Seriously, fuck Heirs of Fates, I have so many problems with that DLC and its stupid plot holes and how utterly unnecessary it was, just... *incoherent screaming*
PSS: I forgot to mention that another factor in Awakening's favor for me is that it has Lucina, and I will ship Robin x Lucina until the day I die.
TheWerdna yeah i totally agree with you on the points you've given. I like that in the end they made robin the hero at the end of awakening but chrom did have good high points that made me like him as a charcter like how he takes emm's sacrifice to heart and tries to incorporate her beliefs while following robin's advice to stay true to his own. this is holds true when chrom fights walhart. lets not forget that without lucina's interference none of this wouldn't happen. even though many people find robin to be grima at the end bad i think that it was great the he/she was the main villian because it gave you a purpose to stop him/herself and the messages the shepherds give to robin in endgame become more personal as a result to break free from grima's hold. that's what i really liked about it.
in terms of the children dlc for both, i felt that the future past gave retribution to the parents that even though their future selfs are dead the parent units of the present can pickup where the future parents left off.
the heirs of fate at least gave me a reason for the children being there. at least you yourself are commanding the armies instead of them being support unlike future past. also they had the best version of end of all with shigure (could picture chrom singing the song)
overall agreed that future past is better than heirs of fate now that you've said your points since back then i really did think the heirs of fate was the better of the two.
the factor of liking awakening more than fates for me was chrom and lucina. they are a great father-daughter team especially outside of their own game in project x zone 2. their relationship with robin felt real, personal, and funny. when it came to female robin's supports with chrom and lucina if female robin isn't lucina's mom it made me laugh so hard but felt reassuring at the end. Male robin's supports with chrom and lucina felt like he was there for them being the support they needed, even though at the start male robin was being a worrywart with chrom.
thanks for your comment boy this was long too.
Am I the only one who is seriously bothered by Awakening’s time travel?!?!?! Because I find the time travel to be a far bigger red flag than anything that raised a red flag in Conquest or Revelation.
Fire Emblem Awakening was meant to be the last game in the series, so the developer's greatest efforts, all rescources and more were put into it.
This I feel made a big turn in the FE series.
This has amped up the expectations for both the fans for the game and, funnily enough, the developers excpectations for themselves.
So lets take a moment to thank Awakening from reviving the series, and setting it to a higher standard, even though I do agree Fates is the better game overall.
Even though most of the aspects of Fates WERE improved assets of Awakening.
If there was no Awakening, there would have been no Fates.
I'm honestly really impressed with your guys's acting in this, especially Heemin as you honestly seem like you're reacting to something that had to be animated in later.
I feel like the Fates story should have been penalized for having it in 3 different games that had to be bought separately. I understand that you got the special edition, which included all 3 games, but the rest of us groaned when we ere told to buy the other games online if we wanted another path at branching paths. That said, you clearly deliberated carefully and the margin of victory was only 1 point, so its not like either game was judged unfairly.
Also, it would be interesting to hear your opinion on the alternate future DLC for both game, Future Past and Heirs of Fate. While Heirs of Fate centers around the children that are not as good as Awakening, I believe both stories offered a better conclusion than the games proper, though I may be one of the few who believes this.
I wouldn’t because they’re essentially 3 different games altogether. Of course, then 3 Houses happened, but that’s an argument for another time.
real happy Heemin got to work with ya love both our vids also is Heemin on the FE amino
I feel like Awakening had the better story. In Awakening, I cried in sad moments and felt genuinely bad when losing any unit in classic mode. In Fates, I didn't care for Kaze and other characters. And the children characters were explained exponentially better in Awakening than Fates.
Wow that blond 'stached guy sure has a lively personality! He got a new subscriber tonight. Great content as always mr. Blazing Knight and thanks for introducing us to other great people!
'"Blonde 'Stached guy'" I like it!
When blazingknight "died", he came back before the end of the chapter. That's phoenix mode.
Fire Emblem Fates having a better soundrack? Nonono. As student with advanced musial training.
Awakening's soundtrack was literally BONE-CHILLING. Pure gold. (Prelude, Call Me Marth, Dont Speak Her Name) I cannot say the same for Fates.
Fates's music was mostly gimmicky and easily forgettable. Especially Hoshido's...
There was more variety, but quality over quantity remember.
That's all well and good but you do realize that this is all based on opinions and personal preference, not to mention music is incredibly subjective, and both of us agree that Fates soundtrack was overall better.
I agree but I think that the fanboyism and bias towards Fates is a little too strong.
I mean, come on. Fates re-used multiple tracks from Awakening to begin with...
Since I usually listen to rock music and Fire Emblem LPs while playing Fire Emblem, I only really remember a few songs, but I agree that Awakening's sound track is very memorable, since I cannot remember a single track from Fates, other than the water one, and the themes.
I know right?
It felt as if they were just giving the point to whomever was behind to keep people watching...
Daisy Yang honestly I am with Sir Blaze. The sound track has more verity in fates with each song sounding almost tailored for that particular moment and/ or point in the story. I mean have you even LISTENED to justice rip?!? Or literally ANY of the nohrian songs? How bout Alight storm? And that's not even mentioning revelations sound track!
loved the spongebob takes on "a few moments later"
1 Characters : Awakening
2 Gameplay : Fates
3 Graphics : Fates
4 Music : Fates
5 Difficultys : Fates
6 Boss Battles : Awakening
7 Replay Vallue : Awakening
8 Story : Awakening
*Music Awakening
At least for my taste, I liked more the art style from awakening, mainly because of the marriage scenes. The ones in fates looked a bit awkward for my taste, but the ones in awakening were amazing.
8:37 Hehehe, the waifus are always the weak links... >:3
Lightning Master yep, lolololololol
yooo dont f with my thata nigga
I will never stop laughing so hard at that. But I do confess, I wish there was some parts of Sumia that had been done better.
Lunatic Birthright is actually kind of fun.
By the gods.
Great episode.
The writing was funny the skits also and the opinions where very good explained and logic (except that sumia argument :D)
That was the only argument I could think of a logical way to win.
Heemin Gamin Station
a bit unfair but clever.
Not really. Look at Libra, a man devoted to the gods, but suffers such a pain and has a darkness in his heart so bad that even THARJA is taken aback by it. Or Henry, who was abandoned by his parents, sent to a school where kids are punished by being spiked to death (look at Henry's battle quote in the DLC Death's Embrace) and losing the wolf that Henry saw as his family. Henry's inability to see right from wrong is something that makes sense, and no one can understand how Henry feels. Hell, sometimes even Henry doesn't.
Or let's go with the future kids, who come from a future where its literally hell. How is it that they even maintain that happy attitude at all? Its a miracle they aren't all like Gerome or even slightly insane. Inigo even admits that he stopped feeling anything of killing zombies of good people because he's done it so many times now.
Or Tiki, who has gone through 2000 years after her journey with Marth. She LOST EVERYONE she loved because she's a Manakete. Even Bantu is no longer with her, because he's out traveling, and still didn't reunite despite being hinted to still being alive in Awakening.
And there's Lucina, who is resolved to save her future no matter what. Guess what she went through:
1) Failing to truly alter Emmeryn's death and ultimately SEEING her aunt die.
2) Having to hide behind a mask that she reveals that she wanted to break down in tears after seeing her father alive again, but the mask made her hold back her pain.
3) She never trusted anyone in Chrom's group because anyone could have been his killer, which Robin calls her out on.
4) Robin is said killer. If Robin is Lucina's mother or husband, Lucina has to realize that to save Chrom, she has to kill her own mother or the man she fell in love with.
5) Ironic twist, Robin isn't just Chrom's killer. He's GRIMA! The very being that strikes fear into Lucina's heart, plagues her nightmares, made her go through hell.
6) Even after she puts her faith in the bonds that tie with Chrom and Robin, if Robin sacrifices themselves, Lucina basically had to see someone that she grew to love (even as a friend) DIE in front of her.
There are a LOT of depth in characters if you just take the time to look at them more.
Whereas the characters in Fates get annoyingly stupid very quickly despite their depth BECAUSE OF THEIR OBSESSION WITH CORRIN.
When Corrin becomes the center of attention THIS badly, it hurts all the character's depths. We know and see how deep and tough they have it. But when Corrin causes them to be so influenced, especially by their decisions of BCR (Birthright Conquest Revelation), then it just makes them a bit annoying.
This comment is a good read!
Did you guys seriously make a None Piece 5-7 reference?
Luffy:WHAT DID YOU DO?!
Lelouche:Relax I got this under control!
*Crashes Helicopter Explode!*
"Sumia" "Works everytime" I lost my shit.
If I did this video, the end results would look like this:
Sacred Stones, Sacred Stones,
Sacred Stones, Sacred Stones
Sacred Stones, Sacred Stones
Sacred Stones, Sacred Stones
Genealogy*
i haven't watched one of your videos in months because of my general lack of interest in fire emblem as of late, but today i was in a fire emblem mood, so i decided to watch this video.
i'm really glad i did awesome video 10/10
Well i'm glad you liked it, and also you'll be glad to know that mast last two videos and the next one are not fire emblem related.
I agree 100% that the Awakening characters are better than the Fates characters, but I personally like Corrin more than Robin. I like the fact that Corrin has problems killing people and is capable of making mistakes. Robin is just this perfect tactical god with no flaws and that just makes for a boring character.
I'm with you on most of these points, though I personally would've put awakening and fates characters at a draw
I CANT DECIDE I LIKE THEM BOTH
I'm sad I never played the tellius series :(
FireDragon101 bbi mi played 3 whole chapters of iT
Apparently the Radiant Dawn is ridiculously hard.
Cuzz they screwed up the translation i think
Yeah.
English EM = JP NM
English NM = JP HM
English HM = Fucking nightmares for years
FireDragon101 same
Ah, Monster Hunter. The second series that is getting significantly more popular in the west (but not FIre Emblem popular). Can't wait to hear your thoughts on Generations. :)
On a side note, which of the games would you do a Lunatic playthrough on? Conquest or Awakening?
CrashX500 better make a monster hunter top 10 soon.
Neither, I tried awakening on lunatic once... NEVER AGAIN!
Well, the beginning of the video thoroughly scarred me for life. Well played.
Nice Fire Emblem channel mate. Also, my god this was hilarious to watch XD ALL THE TRIGGERED SEGMENTS N THE SALT LMAO 😂😂😂 NICE WORK GUYS. U BROKE MY FUNNY BONES XD
I actually expected Awakening to win actually since pretty much every Fire Emblem fan hate Fates with a passion (at least from what I've seen) but I was surprised that Fates ultimately won.
When it comes to both games, I think both games excel more in different areas. Awakening is a better game when it comes to story, but the gameplay has a lot of problems like reclassing, broken characters, things like pair up and Dual guarding/striking ect. Fates is much weaker than Awakening story wise (just look at how many people hates Conquest and Revelations stories) but its much more polished when it comes to gameplay since pair up isn't as powerful, reclassing doesn't matter nearly as much, no one is flat out overpowered, maps are much more unique and varied, and Dual guarding/striking is much easier to do. Characters feel equal to me since I love a lot of characters from both games.
Graphically and audio wise, both games are beautiful and boast incredibly soundtracks for Fire Emblem and possibly any other Nintendo games out there.
This was a seriously funny video, I hope you two do more collaborations in the future. Oh yeah, Fates ftw btw.
Actually, Phoenix mode looks fun for a blitz run. You move when a certain amount of time before hitting "end" when time's up, just to see how much you can get away in phoenix mode.
Love that little 'You will know our names' bit after 'time to tip the scales.
You always post in the middle of the night for my timeline😂
18:38 - 18:41
...What have you done Blazing Knight...WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
You've opened *that* can of worms!
(......not saying you're completely wrong about that though...) ;P
Not going to rage or anything. I'm keeping this civil because it was overall a great video but my major areas of contention are in music and story. For music, standout tracks mean more to me than tracks that fit level design better. I can only remember like 5 or 6 Fates tracks by name, with its only amazing standout track being Lost in Thoughts All Alone. As for Awakening, I would argue that the emotional perfection of Don't Speak Her Name at minimum is a match for Lost in Thoughts All Alone. In addition, Awakening had the amazing Id tracks which each captured their respective emotions perfectly with standouts being Id Sorrow, Id Hope, and my favorite and the final boss track Id Purpose. As for story, I don't see how it's fair to say just because you both felt Conquest was the overall best story that Fates' stories as a whole trump Awakening's. It's like I entered a writing contest and submitted one entry and then another person wrote 3 stories and submitted them all, and my story placed 2nd while one of their 3 placed 1st with their other two stories not even making the podium. Fates had more chances to get it right than Awakening and in your estimation, only succeeded once out of 3 attempts. I feel that it should have been a draw at worst. Again though, I did love this video. Great Job!
The music thing really only depends on what you played first. I played Fates first, and I can name pretty much every song. Really, the music part of this video is stupid. When it comes to taste, there is no dispute. You just can't argue which is better really.
Don't Blame Takumi. I played Blazing sword first and I Remember Awakening tracks more. Your statement is false.
Luckyshot I meant only the 3DS ones. You aren't going to remember GBA music over the excellent orchestrated quality of Fates and Awakening.
Don't Blame Takumi. Well now you're just splitting hairs. I like Blazing sword soundtrack better than Awakening and Fates. I just remember Awakening more.
eh fates I don't remember any of the music. or it all sounded the same to me.
awakening play a track and I can probably name when it was played.
Notable awakening songs are "Don't speak her name!" "ID: Purpose"(I liked that song, ok?) "And what if I can't? What if I'm not worthy of her Ideals?" and that conquerer's theme. I don't remember his name, he was kinda forgettable.
It really can be either way. I have played Fates first, and then Awakening. I can name almost any Fates track but almost no Awakening tracks. It really depends on what you played first
Doesn't really matter if you can name them. What matters is if you can remember how they sound.
Σ BanCorn yeah and you know the the names from looking them up and listening to them over and over again. And I said when they play in the game.
alright
I probably would have given the win to fates in round 3, for the way they zoom in on where the characters are suppose to be on the battlefield when entering combat. That was pretty cool.
I'm with you on Revelations. I absolutely loved its level designs.
Amazing video as always! I can't believe it came down to story, it was a mess in both! If we were talking about Awakening's first arc only then Awakening would definitely be the winner. Conquest's story is probably considered the worst because it had the most lost potential. I loved your reasonings for all the points too.
When it comes to art style I actually prefer Fates; yes Awakening started it, but fates had the best aesthetics in my opinion. I found enemy portraits, the stat layout page and the map transitions to be amazing! I especially found that playing Awakening after Fates the stat display screen seemed boring. That's just me nitpicking though.
Once again amazing video and thanks for the Fates marathon!!!!
Also random question, I know you like anime, so have you watched Assassination Classroom?
Not a problem i'm glad you enjoyed the video and the marathon, also I have not watched assassination classrom but i've heard good things about it, what do you think about it?
BLAZINGKNIGHT Of course I enjoyed it! You are officially the #1 Fire Emblem youtuber! Guess I'll have to play Monster Hunter so I can watch your upcoming videos...
I just finished it and really enjoyed it. It had a fantastic mix between serious and downright hilarious. I also felt it did a really good job with its character development; the characters from the end are almost nothing like they were at the start. I think you'd like it, I'm also a fan of it because it has pretty much zero fan service!
Well i'm glad you think that highly of me, and you don't have to be a fan of monster hunter to enjoy the monster hunter video.
From what you've said assassination classroom seems like something i'll enjoy, I love anime that manage to balance both comedy and dark elements seamlessly (good examples being trigun and soul eater), so i'll add it to my ever growing "anime I need to watch list", and give it a watch at some point, thanks for winning me over on it. :)
Very true, but it does help when I at least kind of know what you're talking about :) Last one I watched I enjoyed, but I had no clue what anything meant.
No problem :) if it helps my anime to watch list is pretty long too. Especially when I add some shows from your "unexpectedly good" anime list. (I also still need to watch Log Horizon, that one's next). Also forgot to mention, there is one fan service character, but she's kind of like Camilla if anything. Unnecessarily large chest. At least with this one it fits her persona and assassination style though so it's easier to gloss over.
Only just started watching and already knew it would come down to story. These types of videos always balance it out till the very end.
27:00 - You're finally playing FE4...?!
HUZZAAAAAAAHHHH!
guess i shouldnt be too salty that awakening lost. glad that you both think that awakening had a charm that fates didnt.
overall love the skits you guys pulled off from the sumia bribe to the war zone when you guys said conquest had the best story that was hilarious.
btw sumia is in my top 10 for awakening characters.
great vid you got yourself a subscriber.
Great video BlazingKnight and HeeminGaminStation. This collaboration was hilarious, I laughed quite a few times throughout the video. For me personally, Awakening will always be my favorite 3DS game and Fire Emblem game to date. I have fond memories of FE Fates but Awakening helped me invest more into the series. I'm now looking forward to what IS has in store for FE Switch.
I actually liked the story in Conquest as well.
Really enjoyed the video by the way.
Love THE moment you pissed of everybody than i looked at my animo like 80% Said conquest was THE best story in my chat even Serenedespair who Joined for no Reason
Very entertaining, loved this colab and hope you two can colab again. And now... Random comment.*sees fire emblem 4* HE HAS THE HOLY GRAIL! HE FOUND IT!
You know, the further I get into this video, the more I realize I really don't care which of these games is better. They're both absolutely fantastic. I pretty much gave up on Pokemon entirely to focus all of my time and effort (and money) on Fire Emblem instead as my go-to Nintendo franchise. Before Fire Emblem came along, the Final Fantasy series took the cake for me in the RPG category, but now it does indeed have a steep contender.
I love how it says "Eonquest" when you put Birthright and Conquest together.
Thank Naga, you're playing FE4! You're gonna love it Crash, just make sure you pair Lewyn with Erin ;)
StealthDoctor sety=best unit
Ced has such a ridiculous base base Speed, that it overflows into the Sage class base.
I put a ton of hours into Awakening and played through a few different times, but I was lucky with Fates because I got it, beat Birthright, got 3/4 of the way through Conquest and then my 3DS got lost during a move. (This was right when Fates was released). It is now November 2017 and I just finally replaced my 3DS and thanks to the long break, I’m not as burnt out on Fates as I was beginning to feel back when I first got it. Hopefully that feeling will last when I finally start Revelations. The funny thing is, I could honestly start another playthrough of Awakening again right now with no feelings of burn out. I definitely agree with Conquest having the best story out of Fates (so far) but I would have really liked to have seen Garon and Nohr have more of a reason for expansion and fighting than “Garon is obviously evil”. I would have liked a more gray area and have Corrin struggle with believing in Nohr’s reasons for war but struggling with it putting him at odds with his blood family. That being said I did really enjoy Conquest’s story I just think it could have been so much more.
Can you do a vid answering some FE questions? Like how many retainers does Corrin have?
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HES PLAYING GENEALOGY OF THE HOLY WAR
AHHHHHHHHHH
bradley bel and he shall suffer the same fate as I, CONSTANT COMMEBTS ABOUT ARVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last I talked to him, he's in chapter 2
ZerkMonsterHunter 4 when he starts posting videos about it
we have to make jokes about sigurd being roasted by alvis
Arvis's barbecue sure was fun
SuperSonicLucario 01 i found it weird that flora was there
but other than that really good
21:16 And that reasoning is basically why I don't count the House Leaders from Three Houses as bosses. More so playable characters. The same for the houses. I'd even go so far as to say none of the houses and Church are pure villains. With only TWSITD being the proper main villains in my eyes.
Surprised you didn't bring up Lost in Thoughts All Alone when talking about music/soundtrack considering how epic that song is!
Great video Crash! Once again, another banger!
Hmmmmmmmmmm....... If I didn't like you guys so much I guess I would be one of the viewers banging on your door :P
But whilst I don't fully agree with the end result I can understand how you got to it. And I appreciate all the effort and thought you both put into this.
Well done! :D
Thanks very much for being so understanding :D
Can't wait until you guys get around to playing the SNES Fire Emblem games and can make videos about it!
Thracia 776 is just so quirky in it's own right based on game mechanics and chapter design. It has that extra 'lustre' you were talking about to when saying that Awakening seemed like the better game of the two despite scoring lower.
You do realize that you basically did a 1 VS 3, right? Each path of fates has its own positives. It's kind of hard for one game to go against 3 games in something like this.
MONSTER HUNTER!!!!! YES!! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR MORE!!!
soo... are you ever going to collaborate with mangs?
If he wants to.
oh....
btw i'm really excited for your future Monster Hunter videos.
BLAZINGKNIGHT I'd really want to see that, since you two are my favourite Fire Emblem TH-camrs.
Personally, I like Awakening's story better simply because it's more thematically cohesive. (Also, I understand why the Robin twist seems stupid, but it sets itself up for a great payoff at the end, so I don't mind it.) Even Conquest (which I, too, feel had the most interesting story in Fates) could have had half as many chapters and still gotten all the important points of the plot across. This is a great video, though!
hey blazingknight i liked your video but i disagree with your thoughts on pheniox mode due to my preference story and character relations then losing units
Just imagining these two as fire emblem unites arguing on the battlefield is entertaining enough already.
*sees draw for art
WTF!!! did you not see lucinas eye in that one scene
Now this is how you do a video comparing two games
When Heemingaming said his favorite game was fates and awakening on the 3ds while holding birthright I got TRIGGERED
Now that I'm through the video, I have to say that I disagree with some of the decisions. Particularly in regards to Fates winning in Soundtrack, I don't think anyone can ever convince me of that. There were moments in Awakening that I just stopped and listened to the music. Even when I don't want to play the game I still like listening to the music. The music in Fates... I can't even remember a single track that stood out to me like that.
As for Story? I mean, what is story, exactly? It's a series of moments that connect with you, that stick with you, that evoke emotion in you. It is the journey you take along with the characters. Awakening, in part due to it's pace and attempt to cram 3 satisfying arcs into one game, is packed full of these moments. Even the paralogues where you're rescuing the child units. In Fates, there were a couple moments per route that impacted me. I feel like more than half the route of each path of Fates was just "go here, fight some guys, maybe some new units will show up to help you." I don't feel like there was a lot of purpose to most of the maps. You're just... being handed missions from your superiors or wandering around aimlessly looking for help. And you say yourselves in the video that most of the bosses of the maps in these games are just speed-bumps, at least Awakening's bosses were memorable speed-bumps. Fates just feels packed full of so much filler and the filler content in Awakening is just more memorable.
Awakening is Bandits > Revenants > Make alliance with the Khans > Gangrel Invades > Try to save Emmeryn > Mustafa > Defeat Gangrel > Walhart's invasion > Child Paralogues > Yen'fay > Defeat Walhart > Validar > Deadlords! (god that chapter gave me chills even after I realized how statistically superior my force was) > Validar Showdown > Grima. They even managed to make the "You Are Not Alone" moment meaningful, where Fates felt corny and cliche doing the same dang thing without earning it. And I didn't look that up, I remember it all. (As for map design, I really miss Escape and Survive)
Ultimately, the better game is the one you can't put down. If I can play Awakening 3 times in a row, grinding up characters for perfect skill combinations, and still be having fun, but then I can only play the three routes of Fates once each and then feel fatigued with the whole thing... it's clear which game I think is better.
I’m sorry- did you say satisfying arcs in Awakening? The only satisfying Arc in Awakening was the initial Plegian arc. After that, it only got worse from there. Valm was a massive filler arc, and Grima’s arc was just plain awful. As for you aren’t alone? I’m sorry, but they’re equally corny in both games. But the thing I disagree with you the most on is bosses. What exactly is memorable for any of these bosses in Awakening other than the big baddies?!?! Nothing!!!! Don’t get me wrong- it’s not any better in Fates, but I feel as if you’re purposely criticizing Fates for many problems Awakening has while giving it a free pass.
I'm only at part three right now but I just felt I should mention that in gameplay..at least it should have been brought up how in Fates it can be SO easy to miss out on a character, then save yourself out of being able to get them due to not really expecting it to be permanent if in casual mode
example? my first playthrough of BR I lost out on Kaze and Midori cuz I figured him falling into the pit was just a temporary thing adn he would show up later. I got through about 5 chapters before looking it up, then raged because the game gave NO hints that you had to get him to rank A in order for him to live
in Conquest Ignatious ended up dying in his recruitment chapter, but I figured it was casual mode so it would be fine. cutscene plays, IN cutscene he is obviosuly alive and says he will join. ok, so he's in. save. check army after? no ignacious.
I feel things like this should at least have been mentioned. I still agree Fate is better overall for gameplay, but I do question some design choices.
0MidnighttheDragon0 they do give one hint for kaze... granted its easily missable midoris paralouge won't show up until after although it doesn't tell you how to save kaze
There is one thing about Awakening's " art style " that I think it has over Fates. *The color palette.* For the characters, specifically. Awakening's characters had more color variety. With Fates, you get red, blue, and brown in Birthright, and black, purple, and yellow in Conquest. It's, of course, a bit better in Revelations since you combine the sides, but, even then, it can end up being pretty boring to look at. Awakening just has more bright and eye-catching colors and uses them much better, in my opinion. Fates is simply more dull in that aspect. A pretty important part of that " Awakening charm ", in my book, is just how _flashy_ the game is.
Also the awakening charecter design is much better
@@tahamohammad8842 Yeah, I 100% agree. I didn't put it in the comment, but Awakening's characters actually show their personalities in their appearances; I don't really get that with Fates with very few exceptions. So Awakening definitely has that advantage.