FULL RAPID at 2362 IPM In STEEL
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- CNC machining at full rapid on the Heller HF 5500!
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The most impressive thing was the fact that the machine sounded absolutely comfortable at that speed. That tool sounded good as well. The ears are just as important as feeling vibration for guides to improving speed. Too many people are afraid to push limits and leave money sitting on the table.
I was super impressed when I met legally blind machinists at lighthouse for the blind. the way one guy operating made parts... He always had a hand on the machine so he could Feel what it was doing
As an operator I can only move so fast
"Do something nobody's ever done on purpose" made me chuckle!!
Very accurate
0.262 x 0.75" (dia) x 12999 (rpm) = 2554.3 SFM This is in steel, no flood coolant. Absolutely amazing.
It's called high speed milling. The heat stays in the chip. No need for flood coolant.
I'm at the end of my career so I won't be able to use this but my son is just starting his and I'm sharing these videos with him so he can see what's possible.
I honestly think you folks are a significant part of the USA once again becoming THE center of excellence for manufacturing. It is impossible to understate how important that is to our country, our children and the world. MAD PROPS gentlemen!!!
Just one proof that the center of excellence of manufacturing isn't the US but is central Europe (Germany / Switzerland) is to look at who the partners are. Who is building those machines? The level of precision of those machines is incredible. They are mostly European. Quality production today = Europe, not USA
who who who. its a german machine..
@@fabr5747 Germany, Switzerland and the rest of Europe will no longer exist in 30 years. The birth rate is far below replacement. All of the people who know how to build those high accuracy systems will retire and move to Spain and then the USA will be the only place left for companies to go for young, skilled workers.
It's just demographics... It sucks but its true...
@@user-wv7bn1fy5v I was about not to reply as your opener reads like you're a tin hatter. But then again, I like facts and don't like them being misrepresented. So, here's a bit for you:
Birth rate of the US is 1.64. Germany is 1.54. Does that mean America will not exist in 30, let's say 35, years then...?
Also, the birthrate can drop a whole lot more in Germany - there'll still be enough youth who'll wanna work for a high end machine making company.
@@AntiVaganza some significant differences between Germany and the US... The USA has the 3rd highest population in the world and it's going up (~+0.5%) while Germany has less than 1/3 the base population and it's going down (~-0.09%).
Germany also lacks the physical space and natural resources the USA has. Germany gets virtually all of their energy from foreign sources. Those imports are currently protected by the US Navy (you're welcome) but that situation is likely to change with the lack of military aged men in both countries and the fact that the USA is reshoring its manufacturing base due to the pending collapse of China and the self destruction of Russia... Being the worlds peace keeper and benefactor is unsustainable with the pending collapse of the US$$$ so Europe is going to be on their own...
Get ready for renewed border wars like in Azerbaijan/Armenia to spread across Europe.
It doesn't help that the EU has opened its borders up to masses of sub-Saharan African emigrants who refuse to assimilate and are already imposing their politics in many countries... France is a great example of emigration gone wrong...
The USA has it's own emigration problems but we also have the 2nd Amendment so bad actors from foreign places will find out if they decide to F around.
Angela Merkel and her SPD flunky who run the government have screwed their countrymen with shutting down powerplants and betting on wind/solar whilst letting everyone in to suck on the teat of government. Germany has no 2nd Amendment. German people are not citizens, they are subjects. And your government thinks you're a joke... In the USA, our government thinks the same but they are going to FAFO soon enough.
We're all screwed but as the old saying goes... The USA will get a cold, the rest of the world will get a flu. No hard feelings against anyone in Europe... just facts.
I'm thinking when you are taking about productivity, IPM isn't the correct measure but rather I³PM. That is what rate is the volume of materiel is being removed at. It would be really interesting to see a test where a whole list of cut depths were each pushed to the limit and then the time to remove a given volume of materiel plotted. At a guess, a lot of big fast modern machines would reach a peek on that below full rapid speeds.
What would be even more useful (and expensive), would be to plot cut depth vs spindle speed vs max-IPM.
Epic! It’s almost just as impressive how fast it rips around the ends of the part as well! The HF is a beast!!
Its so crazy, everytime everybody thinks: "yeah thats probably how far it goes", you guys come around and keep pushing the limit further and further...
You guys should keep the same feeds and speeds and slowly increase the radial just to see when the tool breaks lol
Oh dont worry, titan has already talked about it 😂
It would be nice to have a discussion about the speeds and feeds and depth of cut and stepover and how they correlate. As well as how to achieve the best mmr.
Right... because you can run a billion IPM if you want but your width of cut isn't going to be substantial at all
I don't run CNC's but still had a grin from ear to ear.
I am beyond impressed with that machine, and your willingness to push it that far!
It’s just crazy how fast the Heller can get up to speed around the corners.
It would be hilarious to see Beau watching these Titans of CNC videos and trying to up it one notch to prove himself after getting fired last time XD
The fact that something so big can move that fast and accelerate that quickly without the slightest bit of vibration is just astonishing
With a most recent new machine purchase I went from cutting a part at 35 ipm to 100 ipm, I played more with it today and got to 190 ipm with the correct insert and a little math I should be able to push it to 300
I’m helping spread the podcast around! I want it take off, I love it! Doing production at work gets boring without a podcast to listen to.
I actually listen to it myself…..and im in most of them. They are motivating! Thanks for the support bro
@@barrysetzer it will take off eventually, it’s an untapped resource, there is basically No machining podcasts around except a few that aren’t good. I listen on Spotify
Thanks
We just posted 3 more on Spotify. We have dined 10
I did that one time. I made it thru the part, fixture, AND vice!
Edit: It was with a 1/2 inch diameter 6 inch long flute endmill. Man that one was noisy.
That's really incredible cut and what a speed man 😍 just love the chips flying around
I worked for a company for 30 years they bought Sharrman machines in the mid 90’s. We could run 8 to 10 parts on the smaller parts 2 or 3 of the larger parts in a 10 hour shift. They talk to Heller in 2016 and ask how many parts they could get in a 10 hour shift . Heller called after a while, 20 on the smaller parts 10 on the larger parts. Double on one part three time more on the other. The Sharrman was a 5 axis with an U head but it was able to do what some of did , nobody had the balls to try. I love watching your stuff.
Grüße aus Deutschland 👋☺️
Ihr seid so verrückt aber irgendwie genau das ist cool 👍👍
Very cool. I've always been curious about motor life expectancy at these levels on a full day production level. That's a HUGE duty cycle request on those Motors.
That is bonkers lol and it sounded good too
And here I am running a 3/8 end mill with a 1/8''' inch pass in aluminum at 15 in/min in my high school robotics shop 😅
Whats the radial DOC on this? I can imagine this is only possible taking a very minimal radial DOC to go that fast, and at that point is it worth going that fast removing very minimal amounts or going slower taking some more hefty cuts
You are just the best, I don't know how else to say it.
Can you tell us what the radial engagement of the tool was? .010”? .025”? Im gonna reprogram all my parts with G00 instead of G01 😂
I heard the car industry is either Grob or Heller or Mitsubishi.
Maybe some high speed gear skyving?
Love your vids , as just a machinist and not in charge of buying machines , my shop (huge aerospace company not to be named) they bought haas’s. Oh well they do ok. However, point is I wish you guys would see what you can push Titanium 6al4v to as as MMR in smaller complex( like 2 -4” ) shapes with small corner radius instead of big long pieces. Showing concept of tool path as well as how fast a part can be made. Also one more though , smaller dia tools vs bigger like 1in vs 1/2 for dynamic tool paths.
We heard you 🎉
But what part of what you gain in speed is lost in a shallow depth of cut? It is time not speed.
You got me; No way I could turn the handles on the Bridgeport that fast.
Titan is my favorite GTA character
I’ve ran a manual Monarch the last 14 years. With a 40’ chuck making some cool parts but this is truly mind boggling and impressive what the machines capable of doing
That monster 15flute is a finishing tool!!
You murdered that steel like I murder tacos! 🌮😂👊💪 Always impressed with your videos.
NEED MORE SPEED😍 HELLER = Machines of Greatness
You really do have to understand the mill too. Some ball screws have forced oil and others have forced oil that is used for cooing. A ball screws can over heat at rapid speed because most mills are not made to rapid all the time.
What about the wear on the machine from running it at that speed ?
What was the radial depth of cut?
.020”
Heller produces impressive machinery! I enjoy seeing what these workhorses are capable of.
You guys are awesome!
When Tyson is in the video. The intensity always gets turned up to 10!! That’s just amazing performance
Thanks Travis,
Just FYI, Tyson is my son. He is also in videos… my name is Titan.
I appreciate you brother😁
Now that's one HELLER cool speed run! I could feel the compressed air through my screen, it was that fast!
You should check your floor for metal chips 😂
They could have made it through the camera/screen barrier, if you could feel the compressed air 😁
Could you make a sword
Yes!
@@barrysetzer how much? Zombie apocalypse with a style of Ochrist from the hobbit? A mix be tween both
What's the depth of cut? You may have already said it, but after two views, I still can't hear anything but the beautiful sound of that machine.
What a machine. A few things to look at is the type of cuts. Doing the OD like this is the easiest on the tool and machine. Inside cuts will have over 50% engagement sometimes and will have much greater chip removal problems. No doubt that 15 flute get the job done.
That was epic boys. Nice job and super education videos. Boom 😁
Does a successful full rapid run increase the probability of the machine requiring recalibration? Does the high speed have the ability to throw the table/arm/head out of true?
Run your machine like that constant high acceleration and deceleration you may get quarter the machine life if you are lucky.
How deep was each cut? Looked like a few thousandths per cut
Hell yeah brother, i love running my mazak optiplex fiber laser at insane feed rates. Nothing like blasting out a part at 2500 ipm at 8000 watts!
What thickness are you cutting?
@@mehmettemel8725 at those speeds was cutting .050 galvanized steel the other day
The bearings in that machine have to be incredible…
What was the radial witdh of cut?
CEO of Kennametal is giggling
Chip thinning. Whats the width of cut?
TITAN, I WANNA SEE YALL BREAK A 40MM OR EVEN BIGGER , SHORT ENDMILL
Lol could be fun!
Incredible!!! How about 1000-2300ipm full depth in a pocket (different strategy)????How do you handle chip evacuation and avoid recutting - tool longevity? Keep up the great work.
Смотрю на вас и завидую)))) вы кайфуете от своей работы!)!)!)!)!
One badass machine.
Always wanted to try this with that RSM.....
Wouldn’t the axial/radial depth of cut and matter a lot here? Like what’s the material removal rate?
It’s just a physics trick honestly. The tool won’t be able to exceed a certain MRR as at a certain point, the removal rate will require more force than the endmill can withstand. Really fast feedrate with light step overs will still be the same MRR of a slower feed rate with a greater step over.
The only time high feed like this makes sense is if you have a high rev, low torque spindle with a high feee rate that doesn’t have the spindle power to drive the cutter tool to a higher MRR. IE, the spindle gives out before the endmill would.
Be even then, you’re still down to a MRR limit by the spindle power output.
how could coolant influence these speeds?
Is there a reason not to use climb together with conventional milling (while roughing), to skip the rapids?
Hi! Titans..!
What is the power of the machine?
What torque?
id want to see 2000 ipm with complex parts in 5th axis that would top this. also what holder?
What was your depth? Pocketing test?
My DT1 can’t do that 🤣😂. But seriously, great video. Make the rest of us rethink what we can do.
So this is kool!! Effin insane!! So was it all in G1?? Or was the code in G0? Or both? G0 on the straights and G1 on the radiuses?
It's more impressive that it could handle that sfm. It's doing a respectable 0.012 fpt, but the average chip thickness won't be crazy due to the lighter doc. Remember kids, too much fpt kills carbide. Keep it light and go fast. Great video guys!!
That's so insane!! I just.. wow 🤣🤣🤩🤩🤩
why would you run it clockwise like the tool is rotating ?
What was the temperature of the part end of the tool after you were finished cutting?
Nice going. Thats quite impressive.
Can y’all recommend a good school for cnc on the east coast?
You know that there is a lot of thinking going on about redesigning end mills for super high speed machining. Making them stronger, tougher, more rigid, optimizing the chip clearance to be just enough and no more....we haven't even come close to reaching the ultimate limits of what's possible yet! Kennametal hasn't even made the ultimate end mill for that as of yet.
How fast can you guys go on titanium?
did i miss it? what was the depth and width of cut?
Kindly let me know Ap and Ae values used for this tool path ?
And SAP number of tool
I would love to see that u implement the metric numbers as well. Not only IPM
Thanks for sharing.
what was this for a steel ? and the ae and ap :))? and what is this for a NUMBER on KENNAMETAL to maybe pruchase on monday :)
I'd like to see an the heat camera used more as I think it would be a great learning for heat stress on the tools.
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More flutes more speed
This machine like a sonic BOOM 💥
That is a Heller of a machine.
Machine is strong? OR endmill strong?
Spnindle and feed ?
My 3018pro: don't even think about it
What's the stepover?
I didn’t know Tom segura was a machinist
Hello Titans,
My name is Doug Meehan and I’m currently a student at RIT. My currently teacher is Mark Davis. I’ve been watching your videos for few months and impressive how you guys run the program/cnc machining!
Beside that, I have a question to ask. I need to find coop for this summer. I’m wondering if the titans open to a student who seeking for coop summer?
Thanks,
Doug Meehan
Hey Doug! Thats tough for us, as we are always super busy, and although we have tried that before, we dont feel like we can give you guys the time you deserve. By making the videos and the academy, we feel like we can change the lives and careers of so many people at once…..but thanks for asking, as we consider teaching to be an honor. But feel free to reach out to me any time you need help on FB or discord!
i see and i tried that some time the best i got , is with 10mm 7 flutes and well it run impesse at 10m/min its insane to see other do the same with 1mm deep cut iin steel and full lenght on 22mm. i used a hermle C400 for it
This must be indium you are cutting! 🤯
Were yous able to program like that or have to do a find/replace of G01?
And G02, G03 😵💫
Definitely crazy fast for sure. Out of curiosity, what was the MRR of that cut?
When you want something done and done right, do this. If you want to sit there and watch and sleeping do slow and take for ever
What is the radial engagement on the tool? That's what I want to know. Yes 13K RPM is impressive and so is 2362 Ipm. I want to know radial and MRR. Thanks guys.
Epic Speed! Lets Go!!
As amazing as this video looks, this is just running the tool at about 3x the cutting speed. Feed is pretty low here, at 13k rev/min with 15 flute tool, its about 0.03mm/tooth. Thats actually quite low for roughing.
It would be interesting to know what is the final mrr for this and how long did the endmill survive.
Sick
Was this faster than taking a few millimeters at a slower speed than going super fast and only taking half a thou
Fantastic guys
i still want to see big chips filmed in ultra slow motion by destin from smartereveryday or the slowmo guys
and to make it an informative vid - showing the difference between positive, negative and whatever angle in different materials :D