Not under load, but when it is loaded and unloaded periodically it can get loose and slip that's why it's critical to tie down the unloaded strand with at least a simple overhand knot and leave at least 15-20 cm tail. It's a very convenient and safe knot to use as a tie-in knot for rock climbing, because it is non-jamming thus it's easy to untie even after a hard fall.
@@istvanromai9603 I used it with my 8mm rope. i was so scared and shocked when it slipped! So it comes from my own experience. If you search on youtube "bowline on bight break test" you can easily see yourself that it slips and squeezes carabiner. Also, you are using it in the end of a rope. however, bowline on bight is meant to be used in the middle of a rope. In that case, you wont have a free tail and you can't tie a overhand knot. If you are looking non jamming secure knot, you should try harry butler's yosemite bowline. It doesn't require a second security knot, and pretty easy to visually check if its tied correctly.
En efecto este nudo se llama en la Marina Balso por Seno o también podríamos estar tentados de llamarlo As de Guía Doble. En absoluto desliza ni se suelta ni bajo carga ni sin ella y está diseñado para cargar con la cuerda en doble y no de manera sencilla en cuyo caso el extremo no utilizado si es corto puede dar problemas sin carga y al viento. Por cierto el autor del video no ha sabido peinarlo correctamente. El segundo nudo es un falso mariposa que necesita un mosquetón o se soltará.
Sería conveniente que se expusieran ejempoos de uso, de cada nudo. Sobre todo si la tensión que reciben en condiciones de carga producen tensiones se corte que se deban tener en cuenta a la hora de calcular la carga segura a la que se pueden someter.
@@greatknot A butterfly is more easily formed by twisting the apex of a bight twice and then putting the apex through between the intersections. A bowline on a bight can be formed by making a bight of sufficient length, twisting a loop in it like for a standard bowline the putting the apex of the bight through the loop then opening it and looping it over the bight. I wish I had a way to illustrate but both are amply shown in many books on cordage.
Exactly; he could've spent the extra two minutes showing how each could be used. And instead of wasting the nine-word mystery title, just name the title, "Bowline on a Bight and Butterfly Knot" saving two words AND giving an accurate title. These are "everyday" .....in rock-climbing.
Que yo recuerde el primero es Balso por seno y es un nudo de anclaje, el segundo, no recuerdo el nombre (eso fue hace muchos años) pero su utilidad es como la del margarita, nudo marinero para acortar una cuerda sin cortarla, o dejar por fuera de un juego de tensiones, una sección dañada de la cuerda
The bowline on a bight is very easy to untie even after extreme loads. I'm not familiar with the other one but it resembles the alpine butterfly which can be untied relatively easily. Just by looking at it I think if you load both strands and the loop, it can jam, but if only the two strands or the loop and one strand is loaded, it won't. But that's just my theory based on the structure of the knot.
OK, you can make slick videos with bouncy music and heavy percussion, which makes is very annoying to listen to. What's the name of the knot? What are its applications? Pros? Cons?
La Mariposa Alpina es un nudo razonable para encordarse en escalada cuando hay que improvisar un escalador entre otros dos. El esfuerzo longitudinal no se ve comprometido y el nudo no se aprieta más pudiéndose deshacer en caso de necesidad. Es un nudo que se hace por seno es decir, en mitad de la cuerda sin necesitar acceso a los extremos para realizarlo. En el caso de este vídeo es un falso Butterfly que es menos seguro. En cuando al As de Guía "doble" es un nudo que en náutica se llama Balso por Seno y es un nudo en mitad de la cuerda que se usa para rescate porque al dar dos gazas puede pasarse una bajo las pierna y otra bajo los brazos.
@@juancarlosfernandez5442 Gracias por la información y la explicación, ojalá otros espectadores adquieran nuevos conocimientos y comprendan el uso de estos nudos.
Just because you can make a knot, doesn't make it a good one. Just do a figure 8 instead of the first one, and an alpine butterfly instead of the second one.
Well, catchy relative title, but unfortunately, I didn’t see the name of these. Very much less informative than other channels, but in a pinch, visually well done and easy to reference.
@akai5226 Yep, I didn't catch that at first. I just tied it and saw the difference. Thanks for pointing this out. I'll update my comment. Amongst other names it's also known as the "False Butterfly", a slip knot with a half-hitch.
It’s for pulling things, making a base ladder-step, all kind-of useful things. Simple and versatile! For the wrap around there are various other knots.
No need for the suspense. 2 pretty useless knots. A Bowline on a Bight, poorly dressed, and I dunno what, a fake (inferior) Butterfly knot, neither of which I'd use, nor spend time learning.
First one is called bowline on a bight, and contrary to bowline, under load it slips.
Thank you for the explanation, I hope the audience will find out more
Not under load, but when it is loaded and unloaded periodically it can get loose and slip that's why it's critical to tie down the unloaded strand with at least a simple overhand knot and leave at least 15-20 cm tail. It's a very convenient and safe knot to use as a tie-in knot for rock climbing, because it is non-jamming thus it's easy to untie even after a hard fall.
@@istvanromai9603
@@istvanromai9603 I used it with my 8mm rope. i was so scared and shocked when it slipped! So it comes from my own experience. If you search on youtube "bowline on bight break test" you can easily see yourself that it slips and squeezes carabiner. Also, you are using it in the end of a rope. however, bowline on bight is meant to be used in the middle of a rope. In that case, you wont have a free tail and you can't tie a overhand knot. If you are looking non jamming secure knot, you should try harry butler's yosemite bowline. It doesn't require a second security knot, and pretty easy to visually check if its tied correctly.
En efecto este nudo se llama en la Marina Balso por Seno o también podríamos estar tentados de llamarlo As de Guía Doble.
En absoluto desliza ni se suelta ni bajo carga ni sin ella y está diseñado para cargar con la cuerda en doble y no de manera sencilla en cuyo caso el extremo no utilizado si es corto puede dar problemas sin carga y al viento.
Por cierto el autor del video no ha sabido peinarlo correctamente.
El segundo nudo es un falso mariposa que necesita un mosquetón o se soltará.
It is not alpine butterfly! When untying main loop in true alpine butterfly you should get a pair of chained half-loops. Not separate
Thank you for your information,,
Yes, thanks for pointing this out!
it'S called wrong alpine butterfly.
ropist find them when collegues try to invent new ways to tie the alpine butterfly....
@@bobceffo It is called a "riggers loop". The "alpine butterfly" has a crossing at the back.
Sería conveniente que se expusieran ejempoos de uso, de cada nudo. Sobre todo si la tensión que reciben en condiciones de carga producen tensiones se corte que se deban tener en cuenta a la hora de calcular la carga segura a la que se pueden someter.
vou tentar em outro vídeo
Ok. Gracias. Están muy interesantes los videos 👍
@@maestroprob94 thanks
Thirty seconds of information crammed into 2:30 Amazing!!!!
Da three most ammazinger spellchekers!
I'm sorry bro
Amazing, I'm still trying to figure out why they showed the most difficult ways to form a bowline on a bight and a butterfly knot?
Can you show me an easier way, friend?
@@greatknot A butterfly is more easily formed by twisting the apex of a bight twice and then putting the apex through between the intersections. A bowline on a bight can be formed by making a bight of sufficient length, twisting a loop in it like for a standard bowline the putting the apex of the bight through the loop then opening it and looping it over the bight. I wish I had a way to illustrate but both are amply shown in many books on cordage.
@@JamesFrank-q5u thanks for information bro,, very useful
Exactly; he could've spent the extra two minutes showing how each could be used. And instead of wasting the nine-word mystery title, just name the title, "Bowline on a Bight and Butterfly Knot" saving two words AND giving an accurate title. These are "everyday" .....in rock-climbing.
Que yo recuerde el primero es Balso por seno y es un nudo de anclaje, el segundo, no recuerdo el nombre (eso fue hace muchos años) pero su utilidad es como la del margarita, nudo marinero para acortar una cuerda sin cortarla, o dejar por fuera de un juego de tensiones, una sección dañada de la cuerda
gracias amigo por la explicacion
Let's see you untie them after being used in tension situation
I will try the video tutorial next time, thanks for the comment
The bowline on a bight is very easy to untie even after extreme loads. I'm not familiar with the other one but it resembles the alpine butterfly which can be untied relatively easily. Just by looking at it I think if you load both strands and the loop, it can jam, but if only the two strands or the loop and one strand is loaded, it won't. But that's just my theory based on the structure of the knot.
@@istvanromai9603
For the second knot, if, in the first step, you intertwined the two loops, you would have a true (and safe) butterfly loop.
Thank you for the explanation, very useful
Really clean, perfect timing 👏👏👏
Thank you friend, I hope this is useful for the tutorial
The binding is beautiful and strong, love it, but its use is quite limited, compared to the basic binding of bowline.
Thank you very much friends for the explanation, it's really very helpful
These are good for knotting.
thanks bro
I would'nt give you the Nobel Prize of knots for presenting the wellknown bowline on a bight and a fake Alpine😂
I apologize for not knowing the type of knot, thanks for the correction
Como se usan, cual es su utilidad práctica
In next video🙏
😂 Einfach nur Sinn entleert. 😂
ok
Very good😀
thank you bro
OK, you can make slick videos with bouncy music and heavy percussion, which makes is very annoying to listen to. What's the name of the knot? What are its applications? Pros? Cons?
Thank you friends for your input... I'll try to make a video another time
😂 the creator's response... 🤨🙄😑
@@KOKO-uu7yd thanks
Puoi fare anche esempi di uso pratico? Can you also give examples of practical use?
Next time I will make a practice video, thanks for the input
La próxima vez haré un vídeo de práctica, gracias por el aporte.
La Mariposa Alpina es un nudo razonable para encordarse en escalada cuando hay que improvisar un escalador entre otros dos. El esfuerzo longitudinal no se ve comprometido y el nudo no se aprieta más pudiéndose deshacer en caso de necesidad. Es un nudo que se hace por seno es decir, en mitad de la cuerda sin necesitar acceso a los extremos para realizarlo. En el caso de este vídeo es un falso Butterfly que es menos seguro.
En cuando al As de Guía "doble" es un nudo que en náutica se llama Balso por Seno y es un nudo en mitad de la cuerda que se usa para rescate porque al dar dos gazas puede pasarse una bajo las pierna y otra bajo los brazos.
@@juancarlosfernandez5442 Gracias por la información y la explicación, ojalá otros espectadores adquieran nuevos conocimientos y comprendan el uso de estos nudos.
Just because you can make a knot, doesn't make it a good one. Just do a figure 8 instead of the first one, and an alpine butterfly instead of the second one.
Thank you friends for your input
Dans la marine cela s'appelle un nœud de plein poing, ou bec d'oiseau, "sert a éliminer la partie mauvaise d'un cordage".
Merci beaucoup pour l'explication, très utile
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thanks bro
Great tips!! thanks a lot for sharing!!
thanks
Toll! 2 Knoten. Aber wofür eignen die sich?????
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Well, catchy relative title, but unfortunately, I didn’t see the name of these. Very much less informative than other channels, but in a pinch, visually well done and easy to reference.
thanks
tip top
thanks
That's Bowline on a Bight and False Butterfly, using yet another tying method.
Thank for information
It's not alpine butterfly, see my comment above
@akai5226 Yep, I didn't catch that at first. I just tied it and saw the difference. Thanks for pointing this out. I'll update my comment.
Amongst other names it's also known as the "False Butterfly", a slip knot with a half-hitch.
@@KeepItSwift thanks
I want my 2 minutes 41 seconds back!
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All good and well, but what is the purpose?
I thank i Will make use of this knot in the next video
Bowline on a bight was the rescue knot of choice for eons. One loop under knees and other under arms.. Saved many lives.
Есть одно НО : - их можно использовать только накидывая сверху. Ни дерево, ни замкнутый контур им не захватить.
Дякую, що розповіли як
Where can you get really good rope for very cheap
I bought it at the online shop bro
Temu
Pour le premier, il y a encore du travail !
Je vais le réparer dans la prochaine vidéo
Bowline and alpine butterfly?
I’ve seen how to tie both before, but haven’t seen it done the way in this video. Great to see new ways of tying things.
Oke next video
YeS
No
Need more examples!
I Will try in next video
Double loop figure eight is better
Ok.. i Will try in next video
Otherwise known as a Bowline On A Bight
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Why does everybody call their not "the most amazing"? It is a bowline on a bight and was the most used rescue harness for eons..
thanks you friend
second one is an incorrect way to tie an alpine butterfly
thanx bro
Would it kill you to identify the knots?
First one is called bowline on a bight, and contrary to bowline, under load it slips.
Knots. It's plural. It gets an "s".
thanks bro
Knots.
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That's a very awkward way to tie a bowline on a bight.
It doesn't matter
@@greatknotso complicated is better😂
@@bjornalm9950 😀
It worked.
Slow and frustrating with annoying soundtrack and no name or purpose.
i'm sorry bro
Useless to learn a knot without knowing for which purpose it is for!
I'm sorry, I will try to make a video on the use of these knots in the next video
Great but I don't see how it helps anyone. Your tying a rope to itself. Can you go around something and show both ends then do it again
I will try it in the next video, thank you for the advice given sir
It’s for pulling things, making a base ladder-step, all kind-of useful things. Simple and versatile! For the wrap around there are various other knots.
@@PatNetherlander thanks bro
No need for the suspense. 2 pretty useless knots. A Bowline on a Bight, poorly dressed, and I dunno what, a fake (inferior) Butterfly knot, neither of which I'd use, nor spend time learning.
Thanks bro
No me gustó la música
OK, vou procurar uma música adequada, amigo.
Taking too long to show knot tying...
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Don't use these knots. Learning and using the real ones would be much better
i Will try
This is a"real" knot 🙄
@@PaulGappyNorris 😇
You are right in a way. These videos dont have a clue and come with dangerous advices. But the Bowline in a bight is a well known (ABOK) knot.
@@bjornalm9950 thanks
Oh wow these are BAD
But what are they used for? 😧🫴
I Will try in next video🙏
@@greatknot thanks. 😉