@@OkesTreeProductions I notice when it drops below 90 fps immediately and younger eyes than mine are probably more sensitive so 120 would be a good safe minimum for active viewing but passive viewing isn't nearly as important so with the majority of content being 24/30 fps and 60hz I'd consider it a huge win just getting the world to 60. 1440p60 is already a lot of cpu resource and bandwidth as it is currently...I guess my point is resolution has well and truly reached the point of diminishing returns, 4K is more than enough and fps is far to underrated.
@Warm Soft Kitty that's bogus, because I have a great 4k tv (Samsung q6fn) with some excellent brightness around ~1000 nits and it's awesome. 4k is not that much of a improvement to be honest, but HDR is definitely a game changer!
@Warm Soft Kitty It's literally just the colour version of higher resolution. The only way it can look like shit is if the content itself looks like shit.
Err this is skipping over important details, it is not true that most films are shot into 2k, many are shot higher, in potentially many different formats even: partially in film, partly in 4k, sometimes in 2.8k, depending on which cameras are being used for each shot. To put all those different sources together and add CG a common intermediate format has to be picked. Usually in 2k, with few exceptions, which means that most 4k Blu-ray's are indeed upscaled- mad Max, the Martian, the Avenger's. Oddly enough, Deadpool was apparently 4k all the way.
@@GoogleUser-wf8mt Technology never stops, I do believe the whole resolution phase will slow down to catchup with 4k and 8k but I do believe it will continue.
@@GoogleUser-wf8mt But here we are at 8k. I personally can't tell, no matter location or time spending viewing an image, the difference between 1080p and 4k, but yet we still are arriving at 8k. With the "high end" and "cutting edge" type individual it's just about having the best possible technology for whatever reason and even though not practical, not everything in the market is practical.
I'm still happy with 1080P, though I could MAYBE see me moving to 4K in the future if I bought a large enough monitor, but with some of the insane costs involved, I would be happy if I never moved beyond FHD.
@@shaansingh6048 I don't believe you have a 'pretty good' pc then my friend. I bought a not exactly high end (at it isn't Titan or 2080ti levels), but it's sorta close to high end being an RTX 2070 OC to play with, and even spending $1k on my pc, I still had to put out extra for a monitor because having a separate display for your pc use and your tv/console use is important, at least to me. I enjoy watching content on a big screen with high resolution, I like playing games on my Switch screen, I mean I'm focusing for games anyway, might as well have a smaller screen for me to focus at.
I have 2021 vision, low resolution TV's make my eyes ache... I can tell the slightest difference in pixel count.. but I didn't have any eye problems before TV's went digital.
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@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan why would you stream anything? streaming is for people watching movies on their baby phones and thinking this is fine 8k is for people who play games and people who want to properly watch movies in front of medium sized 65" screen or better bandwidth doesn't matter when you download 200gigs over night
@@martinrodriguez1329 so? prepare sleds in summer i didn't saw dot so my previous comment is inaccurate but that doesn't change the general point about streaming and bandwidth
and you get people saying 4k 27inches in the way to go then uses windows scaling feature which reduces desktop space so it ends up becoming more like 1440p
@@HelamanGile well yes, but actually no. 5k came before 8k, so there are 2 new resolutions each year, so it will start becoming difficult to increase the resolution. Kind of like the 5ghz wall in CPUs. Of course they will find a way of layering it, but still.
I think the speed will slow down... It's like 7nm to 5nm to 3nm and maybe 1nm mobile chips...3nm and 1nm will definitely take time...Same with 16K, 32K and 64K I guess...
I feel like at some point a projector would just make more sense for the larger spaces? Manufacturing and placing a wall sized screen seems wwaayyy too expensive
If I had the expendable money I would definitely enjoy the novelty of a giant 100+ inch 8k tv the size of a wall. I'd enjoy it more than a fancy sports car, designer clothes or a golden toilet for sure.
I have a 4k monitor which I use mainly for cad work, I agree that 8k seems overkill for most uses, BUT NOT FOR CAD, I can still see the Jaggies on thin lines on my 4K screen.
It's probably because you are viewing the videos on a small 720p display. If it's your phone then obviously not. You need at least 27" for desktop and about 55" for TVs to get benefits
dude! because my net sucks (actually my whole country internet service suck) and now because of coronavirus everybody's home using their phones and tablets... i'm watching you on 360p... sometimes i get lags :D :(
Yes considering some people don't notice much of a difference between 1080 and 4K the eye doesn't even see it that well what's the point of having an 8K TV oh that's right a lot of the 4K TVs you can go on your local Facebook garage sales site and get them for like $40. When maybe about a couple years ago they were worth a hell of a lot more
Calling buying shit you don't need investment. ""I'll buy this 8K now with 15,000 and I will sell it 10 years from now with 150, now that's smart investment" :))
its the same as 4k back then - super expensive no use but in a few years they will also cost like normal 4k tvs and there will be enough content so no point in buying that thing for 10-15k$ if you have older games that you can play on 8k the textures will be sharper even on a 1080p monitor tho
Let's get all our TV and video etc. in 1080p first. Most TV channels, physical video formats and online videos are still compatible with the 480i/30 NTSC or 576i/25 PAL systems, which in their colour variants first emerged nearly 60 years ago, and in greyscale 20 years before that. Once all new video is in 2K (1080 X 1920), as a minimum standard, we can move on to thinking about 8K as a serious format, assuming that anyone except for cinemas/ movie theaters would ever actually need it.
DirecTV still hasn't upgraded to freaking 4k as a standard of broadcast, and 4k has been affordable for years now. Until nearly everything is at least in 4k, I can't imagine a reason to get into 8k.
The fact that we dont have 4K EVERYWHERE possible by now is a joke and shows how slow it goes. You can get a small 4K TV for 400 Bucks brand new. Get one for 300$ used. Now im sitting here with an LG OLED 65" 4K TV and a 4K Gaming Screen and yet only few parts of it are playable at 4K...
Currently, the only good use for 8K is to allow lossless image cropping down to 4K in post production. It would be better to use that extra bandwidth to increase bits/pixel - more dynamic range, removing banding on dark scenes.
I heard identical videos regarding 720p and 1080p, and then same with 1080p and 4K Cable wasnt at that resolution, etc. Personally when I see text there is a HUGE difference in the outline and clarity. And since mainstream TVs are now 65-80" whereas my 1080p was 47" I could see a benefit as soon as the prices become reasonable.
Tbh listing panels as 1080p, 1440p, 8k etc has always been pointless other than for marketing to simple minded people since what really matters is ppi and viewing distance. A 16K display will still be useful on a VR headset whereas 4K is already overkill on a phone screen.
I’m still fine with 1080p and I don’t even need that, I was fine with my TVs before full hd. In terms of upgrading, I’d say 4K’s are really nice now. I’d rather have tv manufacturers really focus on scaling lower resolution on 4K and really perfecting that technology instead of doubling the pixels over and over when our eyes can’t even see the different and in turn making most content look awful; But that’s just me.
8k in Japan when most people's houses there weren't big enough for kinect.
Well if you're stuck 20 inches from your tv you might as well get more pixels.
@@MatthewBaka In that case, 1440p will be plenty.
The Olympics are watched worldwide
Tbf smaller countries really do have a problem with space.
Now the UK and Mexico, for example, we are just bad in distributing homes
@@emilmullerv3519 so's the U.S.
8k does have a use. It makes 4K panels cheaper.
And boy are they cheap, I got a 4k tv for under 200 bucks thats crazy!
Yea and that is gonna make 1080p cheaper so I can finally buy a 720p one
@@asdanjer you can literally buy a 1080p monitor at a thrift shop dude
@@Dragonk116 you ever heard of a ***joke***
@@asdanjer Oh yes as the Americas say hahaha very funny
"The upcoming 2020 Olympics"
uhhh
yeah that aged well
Best Joke Linus ever made
Truly ahead of his time
it was a simpler time
Yea lol...
"16x the detail"... Now where have i heard that before 🤔
Tod, is that you??
TODDDDDDDD!!!!!
😂😂 i knew someone will write that
1080p
@@crax-55 who is Tod
Id much rather see content go to 60 fps as a minimum standard...
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120-144 minimum I think, and I'm on 60 fps monitors.
@@OkesTreeProductions I notice when it drops below 90 fps immediately and younger eyes than mine are probably more sensitive so 120 would be a good safe minimum for active viewing but passive viewing isn't nearly as important so with the majority of content being 24/30 fps and 60hz I'd consider it a huge win just getting the world to 60. 1440p60 is already a lot of cpu resource and bandwidth as it is currently...I guess my point is resolution has well and truly reached the point of diminishing returns, 4K is more than enough and fps is far to underrated.
jedics and here I am trying to reach the 30 fps mark in games
Why not both? You don't have to choose.
"Giving them 16 times as much detail...!"
Let me stop you right there for a moment, Todd Howard.
LOL YOU ARE A LEGEND I JJST COMMENTED THAT AND I THOUGHT SOMEBODY ELSE MITHT HAVE NOTICE DTHAT
It just works
@@dinonuggiemonster1288 Lol
Exactly what i thought lol
Lair!
8K is pointless, the TV manufactures should rather spend time improving HDR on their TVs instead
Exactly!
@Warm Soft Kitty that's bogus, because I have a great 4k tv (Samsung q6fn) with some excellent brightness around ~1000 nits and it's awesome. 4k is not that much of a improvement to be honest, but HDR is definitely a game changer!
@Warm Soft Kitty It's literally just the colour version of higher resolution. The only way it can look like shit is if the content itself looks like shit.
Have u saw a 8k tv before? Do you owned a 8k tv? I guess not
And national broadcasters rolling out 4k for live sports on a consistent basis! Hello ESPN!
Can we get 4K to go more mainstream before going to 8k? We’re still stuck with 1080i 720p on cable.
I am still on 480p on cable because I ain't paying more
Think your missing the point here, 8k won't be mainstream for another 5 year at least, by which time ...
@@okami93kage91 No
Linus: Is 8K Completely POINTLESS?
Me: *watches this on a 1366x768 pixels screen
Andrean Romanky 1600x900 is what I have and it’s good
Watching on my 3DS 400x240
@@Tofu3435 i used to swatch youtube on my 3ds but now when i try to it say "address not found"
Watching this on a 6" FHD smartphone. Lol pixel density is too high for this resolution on such a small screen
watching on a 1024x768
"sixteen times the detail" ~ Todd Howard ~
I’m going to build a room with 4 8k tvs that take up my walls just so I can have Linus screaming tech tips at me all around my room.
Ok
he wasn't knowing 2020 Olympics won't happen
Further reducing the purpose of 8k lol
This video was uploaded last year lol
Olympics posponed to next year
Yes but the 2021 Olympics will!
Yeah, obviously.
"while you enjoy your sugared cereal..."
Bro wtf. I was eating frosted flakes.
Literally was eating mini wheats while watching this video on our tv
Reese's Puffs watching on 720p TV here
@@SchlossRitter 720p is still awesome. My 720p plasma looks better than a lot of modern non-OLED TVs.
SchlossRitter du armer :(
@@ouwebok3356 Bruh you seem to have some hatred towards americans like jeez just chill
TV Walls, Fahrenheit 451 called it !!!
fish headset shame about the book collection though 🤔
I watch all my TH-cam videos in 480p
Same
Most people watch 1080 or less.
I watch this video in 240p
Most of the time 1080p here, unless I'm one of my Lenovo Thinkpads then it's 480p, or 720p.
Me too, but only YOUR videos.
most films are shot in 2k and upscaled to 4k, because it would add a long time on the cgi render times
Loadatat not true at all.
@@douglasreyes4251 it is, most movie theatres only have 2k projectors, those shot in 4k are usually finished in 2k due to render times
Also the upscaling studios use are a lot better than what you find on a TV
Err this is skipping over important details, it is not true that most films are shot into 2k, many are shot higher, in potentially many different formats even: partially in film, partly in 4k, sometimes in 2.8k, depending on which cameras are being used for each shot.
To put all those different sources together and add CG a common intermediate format has to be picked. Usually in 2k, with few exceptions, which means that most 4k Blu-ray's are indeed upscaled- mad Max, the Martian, the Avenger's. Oddly enough, Deadpool was apparently 4k all the way.
Many are still shot with actual films, not digital storage.
Guy in 2075:
Remember 32k was like 100000$?
HotS Lights guy in 2348: remember when 186k was $1100?
@@GoogleUser-wf8mt Technology never stops, I do believe the whole resolution phase will slow down to catchup with 4k and 8k but I do believe it will continue.
@@GoogleUser-wf8mt But here we are at 8k. I personally can't tell, no matter location or time spending viewing an image, the difference between 1080p and 4k, but yet we still are arriving at 8k. With the "high end" and "cutting edge" type individual it's just about having the best possible technology for whatever reason and even though not practical, not everything in the market is practical.
More like 2077
linus : some stil watch 1080p (pfft)
me : 480p so awesome 😂
360p
😂 my phone often takes me to 144p
@@samuelkibunda6960 same here, mate. *High 5*
1440p
My 2G internet can only play 144p with continuous buffering 🤪🤪🤪
My eyes are so bad, I’m happy I can make out my 65“ tv in the room
“2020 olympics”
Emotional titanic flute music plays
My galaxy is 1440 and I leave it on 1080 because I cannot tell the difference other than watching my battery go down even faster than it already does.
Same
2:33 Hey Tokyo Olympics. Spring 2020 here to say go away till next year.
Me: spends 15k $ on a 8k, 80 inch TV.
also Me: watches 720p Anime On It.
You can buy a 8k tv for under 4,000
@@xpodx ... It's a joke.
I'm still happy with 1080P, though I could MAYBE see me moving to 4K in the future if I bought a large enough monitor, but with some of the insane costs involved, I would be happy if I never moved beyond FHD.
Synopsis:
If you buy an 8K TV just make sure to buy binoculars and not need any money for a few years.
Someone: I can't wait to watch the 2020 olympics on my 8k TV!
Coronavirus: you wish
Still watching on my 720p PC.
Also having an old 4:3 picture tubed TV.
I have a pretty good pc but no monitor so I have to connect it to my 1366x768 TV 🤦♂️
@@shaansingh6048 I don't believe you have a 'pretty good' pc then my friend. I bought a not exactly high end (at it isn't Titan or 2080ti levels), but it's sorta close to high end being an RTX 2070 OC to play with, and even spending $1k on my pc, I still had to put out extra for a monitor because having a separate display for your pc use and your tv/console use is important, at least to me. I enjoy watching content on a big screen with high resolution, I like playing games on my Switch screen, I mean I'm focusing for games anyway, might as well have a smaller screen for me to focus at.
Raj Aryan Prince and a dinosaur as a pet
I want my 14" old tube tv that was in 1080i better res than my living room tv
@@TheGauges420 r/ woooosh
I don't see myself needing something more than an 1080 resolution (for personal use)
1440p is ok, and with a gtx 1080 ti, it will run it well.
@@coows at this point just get a 2080
@@minglee9288 true tho, since it will run 1440p much better than 2160p(4k)
5 years later and 8k is still no where to be found. Almost like they just gave up on it
8k 30hz wooo, we're actually going backwards.
MannYSJ Consoles be like
How about 2x2 interlaced 120hz?
Yeah I would pick 4K 120hz over 8k 30-60hz any day
I have 2021 vision, low resolution TV's make my eyes ache... I can tell the slightest difference in pixel count.. but I didn't have any eye problems before TV's went digital.
Tokyo Olympics 2020 - heh, well yeah...
I was eating cereal when linus said eating your sugared cereal!!! Linus is now transdimensional!!!
I like that 4K and 8K are integer scaled up from 1080p.
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1,5 half years later and from a price of 150 hundred dollars , 8k TVs now only cost 30 hundred . Wow
But at what resolution would you actually cover the most significant portion of the field of vision at resolving distances?
Linus: 2020 Olympics
COVID-19: I'm about to end this man's whole carrier
Me: Wanting an 8k display
Also me: Having .5 Mbps bandwith
what's the relation?
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan
why would you stream anything? streaming is for people watching movies on their baby phones and thinking this is fine
8k is for people who play games and people who want to properly watch movies in front of medium sized 65" screen or better
bandwidth doesn't matter when you download 200gigs over night
@@tsartomato downloading 200 gigs with that bandwith is gonna take a few more nights to download, 37 days to be more accurate.
@@martinrodriguez1329
so? prepare sleds in summer
i didn't saw dot so my previous comment is inaccurate
but that doesn't change the general point about streaming and bandwidth
@@tsartomato "8k is for people who play games" Bitch nobody wants to play a game with 20fps
and you get people saying 4k 27inches in the way to go then uses windows scaling feature which reduces desktop space so it ends up becoming more like 1440p
Imagine before the outbreak, you buy 8K TV, hoping to watch Olympic. But then it's cancelled.
In 2030 we will be laughing because you never upgraded past 64K
2030? More like 2130.
@@filiphedman4392 every 4 years we double video resolution so if this trend keeps up ya 32K not 64 but 2032 yes 😆 👍 any way R/woosh
@@HelamanGile well yes, but actually no. 5k came before 8k, so there are 2 new resolutions each year, so it will start becoming difficult to increase the resolution. Kind of like the 5ghz wall in CPUs. Of course they will find a way of layering it, but still.
I think the speed will slow down... It's like 7nm to 5nm to 3nm and maybe 1nm mobile chips...3nm and 1nm will definitely take time...Same with 16K, 32K and 64K I guess...
I'd rather spend my money to feed myself and my family, thank you.
8K and 4K are not resolutions; they are just dimensions. It has nothing to do with the density of the pixels.
I feel like at some point a projector would just make more sense for the larger spaces? Manufacturing and placing a wall sized screen seems wwaayyy too expensive
2020?? Olympics??? Outside??? Lmao funny joke
8k/16k is perfect for cinema screens!
If I had the expendable money I would definitely enjoy the novelty of a giant 100+ inch 8k tv the size of a wall. I'd enjoy it more than a fancy sports car, designer clothes or a golden toilet for sure.
At the moment he said 8k;my video became 144p
Linus: everything on cable and satellite is still on 1080i
Our local tv channels: hold our potato cams.
"16 times as much detail"
So as detailed as Fallout 76 lmao
8K porn will encourage consumers to adapt more quickly and push the tech industry to accept 8K as the new standard.
I have a 4k monitor which I use mainly for cad work, I agree that 8k seems overkill for most uses, BUT NOT FOR CAD, I can still see the Jaggies on thin lines on my 4K screen.
8k TV...nah
But imagine a 4k Ultrawide OLED TV, that i would buy...depending on the price.
I can see 8k TVs being useful for glasses free 3D tech which would be the only implementation of 3D TV tech that could ever catch on.
I heard that if your tv is 55” or below you won’t Benefit from it
"Meanwhile we just bought 6x 12k cameras to further make that point. Uh... Maybe I got my thinking wrong."
4K dont make sense right now, 8K even less.
The average TV doesn't need to be any higher res than 1440p. Manufacturers need to focus on Dynamic range and color depth instead.
My eyes are so bad I can't tell the difference between 720p and 4k
It's probably because you are viewing the videos on a small 720p display. If it's your phone then obviously not. You need at least 27" for desktop and about 55" for TVs to get benefits
I got 293,15 K in my room.
But it is the temperature and not my screen.
dude! because my net sucks (actually my whole country internet service suck) and now because of coronavirus everybody's home using their phones and tablets... i'm watching you on 360p... sometimes i get lags :D :(
Here I sit waiting for that 64k TV. It got higher resolution than real life.
2:31 this video didnt age well.
Rip 2020 olympics
8K screens: exists
me, who watches everything in 360p and doesn't care because the internet is fricked: i don't care
Yes considering some people don't notice much of a difference between 1080 and 4K the eye doesn't even see it that well what's the point of having an 8K TV oh that's right a lot of the 4K TVs you can go on your local Facebook garage sales site and get them for like $40. When maybe about a couple years ago they were worth a hell of a lot more
i don't even have a 1080p monitor what do you mean by saying 2k,4k,5k and 8k i don't even know these things
Calling buying shit you don't need investment. ""I'll buy this 8K now with 15,000 and I will sell it 10 years from now with 150, now that's smart investment" :))
its the same as 4k back then - super expensive no use but in a few years they will also cost like normal 4k tvs and there will be enough content so no point in buying that thing for 10-15k$
if you have older games that you can play on 8k the textures will be sharper even on a 1080p monitor tho
Let's get all our TV and video etc. in 1080p first. Most TV channels, physical video formats and online videos are still compatible with the 480i/30 NTSC or 576i/25 PAL systems, which in their colour variants first emerged nearly 60 years ago, and in greyscale 20 years before that. Once all new video is in 2K (1080 X 1920), as a minimum standard, we can move on to thinking about 8K as a serious format, assuming that anyone except for cinemas/ movie theaters would ever actually need it.
I live in rural UK... and i only just got a stable enough connection for 1080p video streaming... so... all the other K's are not OK
More importantly, the television industry needs to focus on higher refresh rates with their already newish 4K innovation.
How bout 48k projectors? 😆
Blackmagic made a 12k camera, and were the first
I looked at an 8k TV they were showing space footage which made me dizzy.
I demand 32K 6" mobile phone screens now
i dont even see the diffrence between 4k and 1080p on my labtop
Is not, everbody said the same about 4K and now everbody demands 4k in their games.
Talk about resolution is stupid if you don't consider the distance and the size of the screen.
DirecTV still hasn't upgraded to freaking 4k as a standard of broadcast, and 4k has been affordable for years now.
Until nearly everything is at least in 4k, I can't imagine a reason to get into 8k.
You can buy an 8K TV today, but you can’t find any content to play on the damn thing
Barney Stinson had one of those ten years ago
So a 24" 8k TV is the same as a 48" 4k?
The fact that we dont have 4K EVERYWHERE possible by now is a joke and shows how slow it goes. You can get a small 4K TV for 400 Bucks brand new. Get one for 300$ used. Now im sitting here with an LG OLED 65" 4K TV and a 4K Gaming Screen and yet only few parts of it are playable at 4K...
Oled/q let and better lighting and refresh rates is the features i would rather tv companies push then maybe trying to get better audio in tv speakers
I am playing 60 fps 1080p, imagine playing games on 8k but 3.75 fps
8k does make sense if you intend to use a TV as a monitor. You get much clearer font rendering.
Currently, the only good use for 8K is to allow lossless image cropping down to 4K in post production. It would be better to use that extra bandwidth to increase bits/pixel - more dynamic range, removing banding on dark scenes.
Humans can't see 4k even.
And how about that 5 g that we absolutely need. So your fridge and vacuum can call you on vacation.
I heard identical videos regarding 720p and 1080p, and then same with 1080p and 4K Cable wasnt at that resolution, etc. Personally when I see text there is a HUGE difference in the outline and clarity. And since mainstream TVs are now 65-80" whereas my 1080p was 47" I could see a benefit as soon as the prices become reasonable.
There's not even enough 4k content out there.
Increasing frame rates most likely mean a better viewing experience than resolution.
I still have a 1366x768 laptop and a 1280x720 phone.
Also did 1366x768 ever got a weird name like hd+, half k or some thing like that??
Tbh listing panels as 1080p, 1440p, 8k etc has always been pointless other than for marketing to simple minded people since what really matters is ppi and viewing distance. A 16K display will still be useful on a VR headset whereas 4K is already overkill on a phone screen.
Who still has resolution under 2k?
I have 1080p
0:58 *Todd Howard liked that*
I always knew that K is 1080p so 4x 1080p = 4K and 8K=2 x 4K.
You'll need a 30K $ Mac Pro to edit your 8K video.
Our eyes don't even see in 4K.
Good luck chasing this dragon.
2:32 yeah, about that....
I’m still fine with 1080p and I don’t even need that, I was fine with my TVs before full hd. In terms of upgrading, I’d say 4K’s are really nice now. I’d rather have tv manufacturers really focus on scaling lower resolution on 4K and really perfecting that technology instead of doubling the pixels over and over when our eyes can’t even see the different and in turn making most content look awful; But that’s just me.
This means 4k content would be commonplace. Bring 50k televisions, for all I care.