They would have been so funny lol just imagine one CEO randomly blurts out how he wants to have flirty relationship with some plumber or something but sadly they are just harsh karens
@@katherinealexander7333 there are literally actual kids in this cult club though. i think it would just be a bunch of 16-17 year olds randomly blurting out that they want to have sex with their crushes
It would've been great if they were just BRUTALLY honest all the time and completely socially unaware for that matter LMFAOO I'm just imagining a bunch of kids absolutely roasting Tris to her face and getting confused when she gets offended
I sincerely think is the best thing going on about it! I have zero interest in these stories, this Hunger Games ripoff teen shit, but the title seems to stick and occasionally grabs attention in the Freeview channels. And then you realise it's THAT one. Forget about it...
I actually like Tris and Divergent, but between Divergent and Insurgent Tris seems to undergo a huge personality change and becomes moody and unlikable.
@@justmona4087 she really doesn’t honestly but the whole plot is centered around her having more than one personality trait. but she still turned out so bland though lmao
Katniss would have literally killed whoever was responsible if she found out that Panemn was being watched by someone outside who could have intervened to stop the games but didn't
She kind of did. Coin was planning to let the games continue, even though the revolution was supposed to be an end to the carnage, which is really not much better than never trying to stop it at all.
@@sicksalt7765but Katniss agreed to keep the games going with Capitol kids instead tho? She only killed Coin because she realized that she was just as bad if not worse than Snow because she was smarter
@@Naisef22 I feel his pain too, i've been trying to create my fantasy story for the past 3 years, but i'm still developing the universe, the mythology, the creatures, the archs of the characters and their struggles, by the time i finish writing it I'll be 50 🤣🤣🤣
Considering how dog shit the book is not really, if you just turn your brain off and not give a single shit about the quality of what you're writing you can write pretty fast.
it’s the fact that i had to suffer while reading the last divergent book cause tris died and they ruined how the books were supposed to be and never give us a ending we needed
and yet he doesn't tell about it later on haha I was sure he's gonna mention it to say how the author didn't think shit through but he's kinda just like if you know you know and the rest is like what's the joke guys
@@kellywolstenholme8134 She survives a death serum that David put into a room where she could stop the memory wiping serum that would affect Chicago and then she gets shot by him a few minutes later
If someone gave Dylan a dollar everytime he mentioned his shitty uni being shut down because of lack of funding, he would single handedly be able to fund its reopening.
it’s weird how this whole movies conflict is that tris has a personality and yet tris doesn’t really have much of a personality outside of “im the divergent”
I began to write my book 6 years ago and Im still working on the prequel with one chapter and working on a hole history book for my book and many other things and divergent was written in 3 WEEKS.
Bitch, mine is not even a sci-fi novel. It's a novel about mental health issues, and how grieving can hit you inconsistently. I'll vent here. So you see, MC's has various traumas. I was thinking about how to execute them from the very beginning in various degrees. He had a massive fallout prior to the book and had to be transferred in order to be treated like a normal person. How can you deal with that? I was thinking about using the friends-that-got-me and family-that-never-abandoned-me copout. That still leaves him some inferiority complex, of course. BUt is that even a sound cop-out, or am I just backing up? He do be a rather sunny person, resilient by nature. How can I write this problem?
I only watched the first movie. Honestly, the books weren't anything special but they were entertaining enough for young me. The movies just made a mediocre plot plain bad.
Didn't know that it's not finished eather. I actually watched the last two movies in the wrong order by accident and didn't notice until 20min into Insurgent. Was going by hair lenght in the promo pic instead of discription... Proof that Insurgent is completly irrelevant to the plot lol
I think a major issue with Divergent (along with all of those Hunger Games copycats) is that a lot of them really failed to understand the actual meaning of the original trilogy. Hunger Games was a fun sandbox with a love triangle and a cool, capable female protagonist, but that's not what the narrative itself was actually about. It was about the horrors of capitalism, about commercialism, about class, about Hollywood and desensitization-in the book, anyway. Movie's a different story, but the point remains. Divergent, on the other hand, isn't really about anything. Tris and Four and the sandbox they're stuck in are all it's got. Even that could've been good if their relationship SAID something about anything, but it doesn't. Well. Metatextually, it says something about the state of YA literature, but... I don't think the author meant to do that.
The messaging of The Hunger Games didn't work because the world-building wasn't really that good to begin with just like every YA dystopia novel. Panem is simply too stupid to exist.
That's the thing about the Hunger Games, I feel like it had everything to become a really good work of literature, in paper everything works, the final product didn't work that well and I honestly don't know if it was the writing per se, cause the themes and ideas surrounding the plot are really interesting imo, I'll never forget how in the first book Katniss was horrified to learn that people in the Capitol had a drink that made them puke so that they could keep eating, when almost everyone in her district was starving, it really had some clever ideas, it was a shame it never got that much recognition
The Hunger Games really isn’t much better than Divergent. They are both kind of flat works with messages that aren’t explored in any real depth. It’s like theme bingo.
HG was about a totalitarian communist country, not a capitalist one. Lmao. Did you even read the books? The class system was built into the laws. That’s why people couldn’t rise to different socioeconomic levels: it was enforced classism.
It's just a contradiction because the whole point of her being divergent is that she had all the different character traits of all the factions yet in the film she literally had the most bland personality out of all the characters 😂😂
She had all those personality traits and choose not to have a personality 😩 She's so unlikable.... Somebody be like "tris if you will do x we will all die 100%, there are better ways" and she be like "ok but I have a saviour complex and I will do x anyway idc". Also, one of the main problem of her character is that she is (or should be) flawless since she genetically has only all the good traits, making her character unable to have a proper development arch in a way that is interesting and relatable to the public. Years ago when I read the book I found her brother waaaay more interesting than her, at least he brought something to the tablet 😂
@@chiccaluminosa The brother came across to me as an example of the damaged genes they were talking about, he was smart, but only showed emotions around his sister.
I met veronica Roth in person in a Q and A session with dinner. I also bought her latest books (forgot their titles) and had them signed. I tried so hard to read them but gave up and then sold them on eBay for no profit cos I just wanted to get rid of them. I didn't read her divergent series either, I was just there to ask her about how to become a successful author. She didn't explain much, basically I chalked it down to luck. $300 for dinner and meet and greet and didnt even include the price of her books. I'm stupified. At least she seemed nice and complimented my dress
as someone who read this series in a middle school book club, I'm not surprised it was written in 3 weeks. it feels like something that you write for a creative writing class assignment that's due in 48 hours
My biggest problem with divergent is that Tris was only 100% divergent because her mother came from the outside. putting an outsider into the experiment completely ruined the experiment and no one even acknowledged it.
Her mother was from the outside world?! (Its been years since I read the books and I gave up on the movies halfway through Insurgent) that really is such a major plothole holy shit
also, four was practically almost fully divergent, so surely in a society that reveres divergents, he wouldn't have been treated so badly, nor referred to as dauntless once they left the experiment, like surely they would've been like woahhhhh a fully and almost full divergent!!!! and since its about genes and stuff, surely they have pressured them to create kids that be either fully or almost fully divergent to try and create more???? lmao
@@puttingmyphoneoncharge in the books it was explained that four wasn’t actually divergent. he had an awareness that combatted the serum (which other people had as well) but they just didn’t know that at the time.
@Isabella Daza at least the percy jackson movies were pretty good when not compared to the books. SUPER different of course but i still enjoyed watching them, and if u didnt read the books first you probably wouldnt have any issues. divergent got done mad dirty imo :'))
The factions seem like they were inspired by the main 6 in My Little Pony. Honesty-Apple Jack Bravery- Rainbowdash (loyalty) Peaceful-Fluttershy (kindness) Smart-Twilight Selfless- Rarity (generosity) I'm gonna go with Pinkie Pie is Divergent because she is kind and generous :) But with MLP these traits were given to 6 individual characters. I don't understand what's up with the idea of sorting personalities into 4 or 5 groups but maybe the author was watching mlp on her winter break
I remember a lot of the shows I watched as a kid and used to adore mlp but I'm legit scared of being associated with the fanbase, I can't tell if you are brave or insane
im really just waiting for the day when Dylan paints those chair legs green and edits it out so its just him and his beverage floating in front of movies
And how he got his name doesn’t really make sense either...it’s because he is only afraid of 4 things but as far as I know they can only change their name when they „arrive“ at their new fraction. However they have to face their fears in the second part of their training therefore after they had the chance to change their name...and lets be honest no one can know exactly how many things they are afraid of Sorry but that’s something I was always annoyed of
One of the messages of the Hunger Games is that war ruins everything whether you win or not, but if Divergent had a message it would be that you should genetically modify people to be smart.
One thing I love about Dylan is how well-spoken he is. He just really has a way to phrase his words that is so eloquent and as a viewer you can always keep up with him and understand what he’s explaining. All of Dylan’s word choices are amazing and intelligent
At the beginning of the book it is specified that the fearless faction has the most choosy faction requirements to get in, but they obviously also have the highest mortality rate. One of their own faction died at the train jumping ceremony. A person who has been doing this for at least a year died at the first task of jumping off a train, which they do every day.
or stop making trilogies i think that ruins the ending because the first is always the interesting "new' concept, then the second is expanding on that and the third always becomes more convoluted, complex, confusing, and kinda boring and more political and it tries to link the cool fun small idea to this now huge world of power overlords but they also have to overthrow it all in that same book that introduces that big evil. what results is a disappointing sorta-conclusion that ends somewhere almost irrelevant to what the first one was even about to begin with.
eh i feel like it depends , you can’t always put everything into one movie from the books and if you don’t then fans will be upset certain things aren’t in the movie , so i get why it’s a thing.
The fact that each character can pick whichever faction they want is inherently flawed. If a character's aptitude test shows that they align with abnegation but they end up choosing dauntless (which they're allowed to do) it shows that they have conflicting traits about them. Which makes them... divergent.
Choosing to present yourself as something doesn’t mean you truly ARE that something. While yeah it would be a bit weird to join a faction you weren’t aligned with, choosing to do so doesn’t magically make you Divergent. It just means you made an odd choice. You don’t have to have “conflicting traits” to make that choice - you could be making it to appease a relative, because you’re being smart/strategic, because you feel too pressured in your current faction, etc. For example, someone raised in Amity (to be peaceful) might want an edgier lifestyle and is recommended for Dauntless, but knows their family would be broken-hearted or shocked (or they worry that they themselves won’t succeed there), so they go for a “safer” option like Abnegation (rather than from one extreme to another). That said, being a divergent in this case means a) you have very specific physical and health characteristics and b) you are equally dominant in several of these traits. It’s not about choosing factions, it’s about a physical and mental reaction to testing and medications.
I was just explaining divergent to my friend who’s never heard about it and after I told her that there’s a test but then they get choose which faction they go into even though the test tell them what faction would be the best… my brain was like “hold up that don’t make no sense” I don’t get how I didn’t figure that out sooner when I was obsessed with the series.
@@hollyscottage someone who is mentally unstable like Al would pick Dauntless because it's the easiest faction to die by suicide in with the weapons, chasm, and ziplining from the Hancock Building.
The best thing about the 3 movies is the cast. Theo James has two successful tv shows right now, Miles Teller as Rooster in Top Gun Maverick is amazing, Zoe Kravitz as Catwoman in The Batman was phenomenal. The rest of the cast featured Kate Winslet, Maqqie Q, Ashley Judd, Tony Goldwyn, Ray Stevenson and my fav Shailene Woodley. It's crazy the 4th movie wasn't made.
@@user-es2ip2gs9n I remember it was the first book I cried to and I thought I was so dumb and overreacting so I hid in my room so no one would see- now I cry to literally everything lmao
wait she diedd lmaoo i only watched the movie and didn't really know what happened cuz the box office got so low I'm pretty sure but lolll that's funny
honestly i have so much respect for Veronica Roth like she really just wrote a bare bones book in three weeks, piggybacking off the success of the hunger games, gave it to an audience she knew would eat it up, and then made absolute bank off it. legend edit: thanks for reminding me of her name
I suppose she was pretty smart for making such good money, but at the same time I think people should be making their success by coming up with something new and individual to them, not by "piggybacking" off the success of other people's writing.
I went on a “Divergent” field trip thing done by the Alamo Drafthouse when I was like 13 and super into the books. Met Four’s actor, got bussed to this zip lining course, we had a knife-throwing class, and an after-dark capture the flag tournament. I remember that experience much more fondly than the books it was inspired by.
This is really ironic bc that's exactly how I read these books. I gradually slowed down until the 3rd book... and I got so bored I forgot for months and then didn't remember most of book 3 so gave up and read something better.
This whole concept would've worked if Jeanine was secretly in on it. Everyone calls her "the divergent killer" because they go to her and are never seen again, but she actually secretly ships them to the Bureau. THAT would make it make so much more sense
Well unlike the author of divergent, Dylan is actually taking his time to write a well thought out and interesting book with good writing.. Sorry that doesn't take 3 weeks?
i think what saved this movies, especially the first one, is the chemistry between four and trice. actors did a great job about that it brings life to it tbh
@@swordsmithing No maze runner was published in 2009 and divergent in 2011. So maze runnner was the first one. I don't know the order of the movies but since they are based on the books I think when the books were published matters more 😊
@@Bkfvlms divergent was also well thought out? It came from a book. I like the movies and personally I enjoyed them more than the maze runner and hunger games. With the maze runner I don't even remember majority of what happened and I've watched All the movies and with the hunger games I fall asleep all the time trying to watch it.
The fact that she wrote the book in around 50 days (apparently that's what she said, so it wasn't exactly just over winter break) kind of explains some things for me. It's been a long time since I read the books, but I do remember really enjoying them. It was definitely well written, and the characters and general atmosphere/world were well-done. But when I think about it, there were always elements of the world and story that didn't altogether make sense, that I overlooked because I was invested in the characters and their experiences. To me it really explains why the movies fell so flat for me. When I watched them, I came out feeling like it was somehow too faithful an adaptation. I think that the reason the books worked is because she is a good writer, but the movies couldn't capture that the same way because it's a different medium, so even though the movies were faithful to the story and world from the books, they came out feeling pretty bland by comparison.
@@Not_Always I admit, I was in High School when I read it, so I can't promise I'd have the exact same evaluation now. But I feel like the ability to suck a person into the world and story, and continually keep them engaged, is a sign of being a good writer. And I think the fact that the books were so massively popular also helps corroborate that. That's not to say she's amazing, or even that everyone has to like the writing. But I think writing can be a lot like music in that it can be good without it appealing to everyone. But just calling something bad writing or bad music simply because it doesn't click with you is a bit short-sighted and egocentric imo.
@@peterlewis2178 there are books that are objectively bad. It doesnt matter how engaged a person is. To say that writing is good because it was done quickly is kinda stupid. In short, this series was not well written and the world she created didnt make much sense. But if you like it, thats fine I mean some people like 50 Shades. Its ok to like bad writing. Just understand that most people wont
@@Not_Always I wasn't saying that it was good because it was done quickly. I was saying the fact that the books were engaging means that they were well written. By that I mean that, despite the flaws the series had, she was a good writer, and her skill with writing carries the series. Yeah, the world may not have made much sense, but that doesn't mean that the books were poorly written. It just means the worldbuilding was bad. There are a lot of qualities that make books good and bad, there's no single factor that determines if it's "good" or "bad" writing. At the end of the day, if a book is able to be really engaging to a large audience, then that proves that it has elements of good writing. Maybe not exceptional, but good nonetheless. I was just saying that she was clearly a good and engaging writer, and that made the books good and engaging to me when I read them. But, when looking back on it, and understanding the context of the time-span in which she wrote it, the flaws are a lot clearer.
I mean, I personally wouldn’t call them well written, even if I also read them in high school. I mean, I enjoyed the first book, confusing and boring at times but overall enjoyable, but I just had to leave the second one halfway through, because I could feel my sanity being stripped away from me with each unnecessary angst show off from Tris and Four, like when they fought and Tris decided to kill herself but was too emotionless (or didn’t have enough character development) to actually care to step off the edge. And the whole “Amity are drug addicts” felt so weird and unnecessary, like, I was willing to cope with it, but then it just kept getting weirder and weirder and I was just unable to keep up with the story because honestly, there was no story to keep up with. And yeah, to all that we have to add the fact that Tris and Four are too damn perfect. Like, dude only has 4 fears, and none of them are ever relevant. “I’m scared of hights” but he really isn’t, he literally never shows being scared when dealing with jumping off a building or anything else he does in the story. Again, if everything else was normal in the story I wouldn’t mind, but at this point everything was piling up and I just had enough. Veronica can be great with generating concepts, I will give her that, but to call Divergent well written is like calling a t-rex a german shepherd cause those two things are animals but not even slightly close to confuse them
Well, as far as I remember, they're basically soldiers, they protect all the others... But yeah, they're also really stupid and follow orders blindly, not to mention that they kill off or throw out most of the people who want to join them as well as plenty of their own members. They are really violent and always put themselves in danger, that's why they're called brave I guess. Though I think that in Greek their name is translated as "fearless" which makes more sense.
"We like run fast and jump on and off moving trains to get where we are going, we're crazy!" My kids were watching this and told me it was based off a NYT bestseller. I felt like I was watching some fanfic written by a 17 yr old "I'm not like other girl's" that somehow got turned into a movie.
It’s a story that has now become infamous among Northwestern writers: Veronica Roth (Weinberg ’10) wrote her breakout novel “Divergent” over her senior year winter break, signed a three-book contract with HarperCollins by April and sold the movie rights to the novel just before graduation. The book went on to become a massive hit among young adults, eventually being turned into a film trilogy that generated over $750 million at the box office. But Roth said it didn’t go exactly like that. After taking a light course load in the fall and completing her final papers early, Roth said she took about 50 days to write “Divergent.” She sent the rough draft to an agent she had previously spoken to (whom she found after Googling “how to get published by a big publisher”), who took interest in the piece and signed her. Roth then took another light course load in the spring so she could make revisions. For the people arguing about how long it took her to write it and if that included revisions. People forget just how many YA movies came out and failed. It was like Vampires and zombies, then over night, they just all mostly went away. Shadow and bone is the only one that currently comes to mind.
The book could have literally been about a child born Fractionless and how they survive and their choosing ceremony, etc. Because you NEVER see any Fractionless children- they could be taken away at birth and given to families, but what if they manage to hide a child and raise it as this Fractionless activist? Someone who tries to break the barriers and stigma around it. You could still have oppressive government, minority groups, revolution, etc with a much more interesting character.
Once you choose a different fraction you can not go back to your original one and if you don’t rank up at your new fraction, you become part of the fractionless. I guess that’s why there are no fractionless children, I don’t think the fractionless would even want children, they’re basically homeless
@@zeezee6809 honestly I don't think being homeless would stop them from having children. There are lots of poor people in this world who are still having children. And some of the fractionless are young and I doubt they live under celibate for their whole lives. They also probably don't really have access to birth control so.. yeah I think there should be a lot more children that are born fractionless
25:25 To be very generous, I think the idea (based on something you showed earlier where they described exactly how the genetic modification "went wrong") was that the gene-mods presented in hyper focus (those modded to be brave were brave to the determent of everything else, etc) so the factions were supposed to be like this kinda reverse psychology test. If you were divergent it meant that your genes "had fixed themselves" or whatever. Like, the whole thing was a set up just waiting for the first person to go "hey this all seems really dumb" and then they win I guess?
Funny story: A friend of mine pirated Divergent from a torrent site, Burned it to DVD and tried to watch it, she turned it off, and threw the disc away. She said "Basically, I stole this movie, and I'M the one feeling cheated". I took her advice and didn't bother with it.
@@Selyidar She's the same as me, a Movie collector, so when we get a film, we put it on a permanant media. It's pretty rare we get a film that causes such a bad smell we don't keep it.
These movies came out after a line of very similar movies (twilight, hunger games, maze runner). The market was saturated and the divergent series brought nothing new to the table.
Bite your tongue! Twilight should never be put on the same list as Hunger Games! I'm mostly joking but for real the only thing they have in common is the section of the bookstore in which they were originally sold.
@@BabaCorva they share a lot of the same tropes. twilight was different, but still echoed a similar 'protagonist has "something special - just because" arc'. Not saying it's a bad thing, but it def makes them feel redundant. cute name btw
@@kristen21023 To be fair it's pretty common to have your protagonist be special for some reason. Think of Harry Potter for example, or Aang from Avatar.
Me: has read the whole divergent trilogy, and read the first book several times. Also me when Dylan explained the lore of the divergent universe: WHEN DID ANY OF THIS HAPPEN?
I think we forgot about divergent because it literally falls into the whole “teen girl has to save a dystopian society” trope that became popular with the hunger games it’s literally like the author of Divergent asked the author of the hunger games for her homework and the hunger games author told her ok but don’t copy it all the way change a few answers EDIT: oh wow thanks everyone for the likes :)
I think the issue with the dystopian fad in the YA genre is how it disassociates the reader from the world it presents. Teens may enter thinking about how cool it'd be to be a badass heroine in such a crapsack society but after a while they become bored with it, recognizing nothing from themselves or their friends in any of the characters. That's conversely why Harry Potter was so successful-the boarding school environment made it ever so relatable all the way through, despite having ample fantasy elements in it.
When I first read the first book, I LOVED it. It kinda reminded me of the hunger games which I also love. It started off very strong and had lots of potential but it kinda lost that potential in the second book. It moved really slow and I can barely remember the first part of the book. I liked the idea of the whole thing just being an experiment, but I hate how everything happened so fast and randomly. Like four breaks out of the compound after bed time, boom Uriahs dying. The whole thing could have been a lot better but just unnecessarily stretched out scenes, made some scenes feel too short, and a lot of the deaths felt unnecessary, to the point where I can’t even remember half of them.
If they wanted to make people genetically divergent why didn’t they just let all the factions mix? If a dauntless marries a dauntless, they’ll likely have a dauntless baby. But if a dauntless marries an erudite they can have a dauntless erudite baby! Do I need to draw Veronica a Punnett square?
...they explain in the third book...that the city they were in was not the only one, it was the first to have the faction system others that didn't or tried to mingle the people more fell to ruin or something like that i dont remember exactly, I read the books so long ago
@@TheFantazingo But there are still kids that get an other faction as there test result, one girl can be born in erudite and later go to dauntless, because of there results. Her parents are still erudite though. So when she later goes on to found a family, her kid could become dauntless, but also erudite or dauntless erudite, or an completely other faction, depending on where the father is from.
@@raventenebris5344 That doesn't make sense? I'm sure it's canon, but you can't just be like "Yeah, we tried the smart thing and it didn't work" to handwave plotholes.
Divergent is basically if you take the Hunger Games, but then you take out excellent social commentary, interesting characters, wonderful world building, and an actual sense of caring for content over profit
To be fair, Divergent has made me appreciate The Hunger Games way more than I did initially. That was an actually well written story for the most part. But this... yikes.
I liked the first book (I was a teenager at the time), bougth the second and found it ok... And then I bougth the 3rd and I was like "What the f***ck?"
An ex-girlfriend of mine liked these goofy books lol. I give Veronica Roth an F for story and an A+ for understanding her target customers. She probably wipes her tears from reading bad reviews with hundred dollar bills.
I just picture her crying into hundred dollar bills as she’s reading reviews, and then slowly her sobs transform into maniacal laughter and she just starts screaming “I won, *bitches!* “ over and over again.
Dylan: "She's the protagonist she can't die... yet" Me: * *sweats* * I am still emotionally scarred from reading Allegiant. I read the entire thing the day it came out and went to a book signing the next day for it. She managed to ruin something I loved so much so quickly. Then I had to actually go meet her 😂
Yeah haha, I think that's another reason for it's popularity since teens will be like "omg she's just like me, I must be so special". Maybe that's what popularized those not like other girls vibes.
@@atinymoonizen True hahah, at least Katniss was quite brave. I never got the appeal of Bella though, I think I mostly just watched those movies for Taylor Lautner haha
@@wyntertheicewyvern6226 The only author that was able to pull it off, and make it onto the screen (albeit tv screens) was Lev Grossman who wrote The Magicians. Its actually young adult friendly because it has complex relationships between couples which is what most of the young adult faze of peoples lives consists of.
the factions never made sense to me, everyone is divergent. the mother was born dauntless and then chose to be abnegation, so she was raised on both. the brother was born abnegation and chose erudite, so he's both. the amity leader is amity (i think she was also born dauntless?) but she's also selfless when she chooses to help tris and the rest. there isn't a single character who is just one thing except maybe kate winslet. even the father who is abnegation picks up a gun and fights like dauntless
Honestly it’s a joke. Society is based on people having only one personality trait and people are killed if they have more than one personality trait. Like. WHAT?
@@xiahkixiri it really is, at least in the hunger games for example each district had a specific trade which is kinda realistic but personality trait? if humans were that one dimensional things would be a lot different
@Lily Leilani Fleur Laurier i get where you’re coming from but i feel like that only applies to some of the characters. the majority of them are classified as one thing when in fact they’re multiple. like i mentioned, the mother was born dauntless and based on the premise of the books/movies like you said, left because she didn’t feel like she belonged. but she was still brave, she didn’t lose that just because she chose to become abnegation. four was not divergent and he left abnegation fir dauntless, but he has personality traits from all the factions. christina left candor for dauntless and she did become brave, but she never lost her bluntness, she remained honest and just added on the brave. if you remember there were also different levels or percentages of how divergent people are, so if it was that some people are just like 1% divergent compared to 90% divergents, i feel like it would make so much more sense. like i understand what the intention was with the whole belonging everywhere and nowhere, but i feel like it got lost when they pretty much portrayed most characters as divergent to some extent
I think Divergence isn't explained very clearly. I think the faction you receive as a result doesn't reflect your only personality trait, but the most profound and the most instinctive behavior you have. I mean Caleb's first instinct won't be sacrificing himself for others or shooting randomly, it will be to manipulate, or face the problem mentally. I don't know if Johanna is Divergent or not, but just because she shot some bullets doesn't mean she's Dauntless - Dauntless jump in front of fear, facing it sometimes too recklessly. Johanna didn't do that, she planned all the Allegiant movements. She is mainly Amity because she wants peace- and she knows Evelyn wouldn't bring that, so she fights for peace. As for Andrew, yes, it was bravery, but he didn't do what he did because of Dauntless fundamental, intense impulses. He had no way of surviving that, it was a self-sacrifice so a very Abnegation thing to do. This is why the people that are part of one faction only are easier to control(by the way, this wasn't what the founders had in mind, the faction system failling was the fault of people like Jeanine and Eric) - their first impulses are somewhat predictable: a Candor will speak their mind, an Amity will do anything so that conflict doesn't evolve, an Abnegation will sacrifice, an Erudite will try and think their way out, a Dauntless will attack. And this is where Divergents come in - since they have more fundamental behaviors, from more factions, they're sneakier and you can't input a mentality on them. Sure, I don't believe it has anything to do with genes and it's not something you're necessarily born with - but it's something really important and outstanding. Not everyone in the books is Divergent, it's just that Veronica Roth didn't focus on explaining this deep problem of psychology, unfortunately.
I think a big downfall for this series comes from the source material. I read the first book and loved it, it could've been a wonderful standalone! Then Insurgent was so boring it took me six months to finish, and I never read the third my mother told me it was that bad! Also, Divergent was clearly chasing the coattails of The Hunger Games' success, but had terrible worldbuilding and was too clearly a ripoff to be successful. I think the author wanted to be as revolutionary as The Hunger Games, but Divergent watered down the formula and wondered why it didn't succeed.
yess i think a big problem with the Insurgent book is that so much of it is just Tris and Four’s relationship problems… like all i remember from the book is that they fought all the time😭😭 if u asked me the plot of insurgent i wouldn’t be able to tell u
The whole concept of divergent is that one girl has a personality, but like she didn’t at the same time she’s literally the stereotypical brunette who has no personality whatsoever but the whole film is about her 😭😭
@@mirame88 To be fair, while these books have some major issues, Tris being a Mary Sue (whatever that term even means at this point) wasn't one of them. She was actually a pretty well written character with a lot of flaws and growth.
@@swordsmithing Oh yeah I totally believe you (I haven't read the books). I was talking specifically about the Tris they made in the movies. I saw a lot of reviews saying that the character has been destroyed in the movies, when in the books she really is great :)
@@MadisonAiello tbh, maze runner also turned worse with every book. Not as bad as the divergent trilogy, but I didn't like maze runner's resolution at all.
A dystopian society where your place is determined by the results of Buzzfeed quizzes like “What kind of cupcake are you? Take this quiz and find out!”
I will NEVER forget that terrible epilogue called "we can be mended", where Four ended up with Christina. The more Veronica Roth wrote about Divergent, the more she fucked up.
I had to check the summary since I really thought you were lying, but that really is how it ended. Wow. I also wanted to highlight this piece of writing from the summary I found: "Tris miraculously survives the death serum and opposite-of-miraculously dies when David shoots her"
I just found this video and it took me to those days when I was a book blogger and the books were being released. Something that also ruined the movies was the ending of the final book. I remember the whole book community HATED the ending.
“Why did we forget about Divergent so fast?”
Maybe cuz I was actively trying to repress the memories after that awful ending
Isnt that the truth 😂
Awful non ending you mean😭
the ending was basically the author saying FUCK YOU to her entire fan base.
Omg i was sobbing it took me a whole motherfucking week to stop crying when i think about it 😭😭
Really? The ending was probably the only thing I liked
Let's be real, the "honest" faction could have been hilariously chaotic if the book had better writing
They would have been so funny lol just imagine one CEO randomly blurts out how he wants to have flirty relationship with some plumber or something but sadly they are just harsh karens
I imagine it would be similar to the seelies in shadowhunters, such experts in telling the truth that they can twist it
@@katherinealexander7333 there are literally actual kids in this cult club though. i think it would just be a bunch of 16-17 year olds randomly blurting out that they want to have sex with their crushes
It would've been great if they were just BRUTALLY honest all the time and completely socially unaware for that matter LMFAOO
I'm just imagining a bunch of kids absolutely roasting Tris to her face and getting confused when she gets offended
I once tried exactly that for one comedic character. There are so many ways you can use that.
The divergent series is just like my essays, slowly getting worse until it’s complete garbage and doesn’t even finish
My master's thesis in a single youtube comment...
Well the movies, that is. The books actually make sense
For the movies. But the books are actually good
@@vinaa2395 sooo good
Garbagé ✨🗑✨
Divergent is like that series that randomly comes to my mind every couple years for no reason, before I up and forget it exists again
I sincerely think is the best thing going on about it! I have zero interest in these stories, this Hunger Games ripoff teen shit, but the title seems to stick and occasionally grabs attention in the Freeview channels. And then you realise it's THAT one. Forget about it...
Dude, same!
I actually watch it when I want to shut my brain off and laugh at the stupid movie that consistently made less money with each installment.
I wasn't super into it at the time but I think it's kinda becoming My Trash as Lindsay Ellis would say lol
Dylan : Beer and a movie
Me: that’s a misdirect
@@chidiogoikeh9516 An even worse misdirect
The irony was that the whole premise is that Tris has a personality...and yet she has absolutely no personality.
Neither Does Shailene Woodley! Perfect Casting!
hahaha that's exactly what I hated about it all!
I actually like Tris and Divergent, but between Divergent and Insurgent Tris seems to undergo a huge personality change and becomes moody and unlikable.
@@karenhall4645 I definitely agree. The first book was good but the rest went off the rails.
Absolutely
this whole movies conflict is that the main character has a personality
Does she though..?
^^^ The irony of it gets me every time.
Your dp tho 💥😍❤️
@@justmona4087 she really doesn’t honestly but the whole plot is centered around her having more than one personality trait. but she still turned out so bland though lmao
LMAOO
Katniss would have literally killed whoever was responsible if she found out that Panemn was being watched by someone outside who could have intervened to stop the games but didn't
She kind of did. Coin was planning to let the games continue, even though the revolution was supposed to be an end to the carnage, which is really not much better than never trying to stop it at all.
I was waiting for you to say, “oh wait, she did” 🤣
this is kind of how attack on titan goes lol
@@morgangunning30seen the whole thing and huh?💀
@@sicksalt7765but Katniss agreed to keep the games going with Capitol kids instead tho? She only killed Coin because she realized that she was just as bad if not worse than Snow because she was smarter
Nobody:
Dylan at every chance he has: Guys my college SHUT DOWN!
So true 😭✋🏻
Maybe I haven't watched enough of his videos bc I don't remember him saying anything about his school😭😭
@@diamondrobertson390 I’m pretty sure he said it in his last video, or a very recent one!!
@@salihafiaz1210 i think it was in his 'Rewatching Harry Potter' one
As someone also from WI, I'm always trying to figure out which college he's talking about lol.
Dylan: you CAN write a book in three days
me: ....
Dylan: takes three years to write three chapters
yeah cos it's gonna be quality
I feel his pain, I've blinked and years have gone by and writers block is not budging
@@Naisef22 Ugh same! :(
@@Naisef22 Same same
@@Naisef22 I feel his pain too, i've been trying to create my fantasy story for the past 3 years, but i'm still developing the universe, the mythology, the creatures, the archs of the characters and their struggles, by the time i finish writing it I'll be 50 🤣🤣🤣
The fact that the book Divergent was written in 3 weeks is crazy impressive. An entire book. Damn.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was only one draft.
Considering how dog shit the book is not really, if you just turn your brain off and not give a single shit about the quality of what you're writing you can write pretty fast.
Can't top mine!! I have to write a story in 1hr 30mins!!!
@@c.j.a5524 my school essays that I just improvise as I make them for 45 minutes
Certainly reads like it
I can’t believe I laughed out loud at the “repetitiveness in speech” joke 😂
me too!! i thought i was the only who caught it lmaoo i love dylan
same! i also had to point it out because it was so clever but not too obvious i just loved it
Gosh it was hilarious 😂😂😂
It was a good joke 😂
I DID TOO 😭
“Shes the protagonist, she cant die...yet”
*internally screaming*
it’s the fact that i had to suffer while reading the last divergent book cause tris died and they ruined how the books were supposed to be and never give us a ending we needed
and yet he doesn't tell about it later on haha I was sure he's gonna mention it to say how the author didn't think shit through but he's kinda just like if you know you know and the rest is like what's the joke guys
Me when I was reading the books
"She can't die, she's the protagonist, she can't die... Yet" On point
When the protagonist dies i laugh and smile, as the antagonist usually has the funner stuff.
dude anyone who has read the books would know-
@@brielleraitz2254 I’ll be honest, I didn’t finish the last book. It was too boring. So I know Tris dies but - how does she die? I don’t actually know
@@kellywolstenholme8134 its been so long i dont remember it very well but basically she saved everyone and died lol idk man its just bad
@@kellywolstenholme8134 She survives a death serum that David put into a room where she could stop the memory wiping serum that would affect Chicago and then she gets shot by him a few minutes later
I liked the end of the last movie when she said “It’s Divergin’ Time” and Diverged all over the place
Bruh
Its Weskin' time
Stop it.
Yassssss
This is somehow my favorite iteration of this that I've seen lmao
If someone gave Dylan a dollar everytime he mentioned his shitty uni being shut down because of lack of funding, he would single handedly be able to fund its reopening.
Underrated comment
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I love this comment
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@Kevin Anselm Sorry I’m British
dylan: "you can't write a book in three weeks"
yeah dylan, you've been writting a book for three years so... you should know
lol true... it's gonna be like 34 years till he publishes it
@@newclassic950 when he will publish it, I will be either too drunk or too dead to read it
1 chapter a year boys we have a journey ahead of us before reading his book
Drag him
Dylan better get his ass in gear. What's even the idea of his book, has he told us? smh
it’s weird how this whole movies conflict is that tris has a personality and yet tris doesn’t really have much of a personality outside of “im the divergent”
3 week to write a book just wasn't enough I guess
@@theflashgordon193 yeah. You can't fully/properly build a world and complex characters in three weeks. IMO.
@@flawedsanity yeah...the origin for Four's name is like the dumbest thing. perhaps 4 weeks could have made it better.
Agreed
"I'm not like those other girls"
Not me spending 4+ years planning my sci-fi novel without writing a single word only to find out that Roth wrote Divergent in 3 weeks 💀
i feel you, my book's been rotting with 5 chapters for the past two years😭
it's always like that haha
I got like 5+ sci-fi worlds and I haven't gotten close to making a chapter for any of them 💀💀💀
Feels bad man
I began to write my book 6 years ago and Im still working on the prequel with one chapter and working on a hole history book for my book and many other things and divergent was written in 3 WEEKS.
Bitch, mine is not even a sci-fi novel. It's a novel about mental health issues, and how grieving can hit you inconsistently. I'll vent here.
So you see, MC's has various traumas. I was thinking about how to execute them from the very beginning in various degrees. He had a massive fallout prior to the book and had to be transferred in order to be treated like a normal person. How can you deal with that? I was thinking about using the friends-that-got-me and family-that-never-abandoned-me copout. That still leaves him some inferiority complex, of course. BUt is that even a sound cop-out, or am I just backing up? He do be a rather sunny person, resilient by nature. How can I write this problem?
“Dylan: “I wanted to ring in the new year with wine”
Me: Dylan it’s almost March
Lunar New Year
I thought that I just didn’t see the video for almost two months
That wine made him lose sense of time for two whole months... I'm invested.
i literally said the same thing lmaooo
Knowing that she wrote Divergent in 3 weeks and became a best selling author actually gives me confidence that maybe one day I'll get published.
Don’t let your dreams be dreams, just do it!
wait WHAT?! She wrote it in 3 weeks?? Omg it's taken me almost 2 years to write my book.
Wait is that why you have that profile pic , because she was also writing a book
@@nicoleelbin9701 i spent 10 years just THINKING about writing my book and the last 2 years writing 13 chapters of it, lol! XD i'm bad...
The kissing booth and After were fanfiction and became books and movies, not one movie, but a whole series of movies. Never. Lose. Hope.
I'll be honest, I never even realized they didn't finish the series. I straight up forgot about it after Allegiant Pt 1.
I never actually watched that one. I thought it was the end.
I only watched the first movie. Honestly, the books weren't anything special but they were entertaining enough for young me. The movies just made a mediocre plot plain bad.
Didn't know that it's not finished eather.
I actually watched the last two movies in the wrong order by accident and didn't notice until 20min into Insurgent. Was going by hair lenght in the promo pic instead of discription... Proof that Insurgent is completly irrelevant to the plot lol
Same
Same
I think a major issue with Divergent (along with all of those Hunger Games copycats) is that a lot of them really failed to understand the actual meaning of the original trilogy. Hunger Games was a fun sandbox with a love triangle and a cool, capable female protagonist, but that's not what the narrative itself was actually about. It was about the horrors of capitalism, about commercialism, about class, about Hollywood and desensitization-in the book, anyway. Movie's a different story, but the point remains. Divergent, on the other hand, isn't really about anything. Tris and Four and the sandbox they're stuck in are all it's got. Even that could've been good if their relationship SAID something about anything, but it doesn't. Well. Metatextually, it says something about the state of YA literature, but... I don't think the author meant to do that.
The messaging of The Hunger Games didn't work because the world-building wasn't really that good to begin with just like every YA dystopia novel. Panem is simply too stupid to exist.
It’s not a rip off it’s a female dystopian
That's the thing about the Hunger Games, I feel like it had everything to become a really good work of literature, in paper everything works, the final product didn't work that well and I honestly don't know if it was the writing per se, cause the themes and ideas surrounding the plot are really interesting imo, I'll never forget how in the first book Katniss was horrified to learn that people in the Capitol had a drink that made them puke so that they could keep eating, when almost everyone in her district was starving, it really had some clever ideas, it was a shame it never got that much recognition
The Hunger Games really isn’t much better than Divergent. They are both kind of flat works with messages that aren’t explored in any real depth. It’s like theme bingo.
HG was about a totalitarian communist country, not a capitalist one. Lmao. Did you even read the books? The class system was built into the laws. That’s why people couldn’t rise to different socioeconomic levels: it was enforced classism.
*Dylan’s never gonna stop talking abt how his college closed down😂*
literally😭
Istg Lmao
It's in the Dylan lore we must remember it
To be honest I wouldn't either 😂
Ngl, imagine going to college and working hard just for it to close. Lol i'd be bitter too. plus its a fun run on joke
the amount of CONTENT us troublemakers are getting this week
for real i cant believe this
Most content we had in months
Its like Christmas: )
I LOVE IT
FR
Tris’ whole personality was: “I’m divergent”
Shes not like other girls
It's just a contradiction because the whole point of her being divergent is that she had all the different character traits of all the factions yet in the film she literally had the most bland personality out of all the characters 😂😂
She had all those personality traits and choose not to have a personality 😩
She's so unlikable.... Somebody be like "tris if you will do x we will all die 100%, there are better ways" and she be like "ok but I have a saviour complex and I will do x anyway idc".
Also, one of the main problem of her character is that she is (or should be) flawless since she genetically has only all the good traits, making her character unable to have a proper development arch in a way that is interesting and relatable to the public.
Years ago when I read the book I found her brother waaaay more interesting than her, at least he brought something to the tablet 😂
@@chiccaluminosa The brother came across to me as an example of the damaged genes they were talking about, he was smart, but only showed emotions around his sister.
She's just a normal human being. All the others are fucked up(by.. not being divergent enough)
I met veronica Roth in person in a Q and A session with dinner. I also bought her latest books (forgot their titles) and had them signed. I tried so hard to read them but gave up and then sold them on eBay for no profit cos I just wanted to get rid of them. I didn't read her divergent series either, I was just there to ask her about how to become a successful author. She didn't explain much, basically I chalked it down to luck. $300 for dinner and meet and greet and didnt even include the price of her books. I'm stupified. At least she seemed nice and complimented my dress
Some people's success is just written in the stars ✨
@@gothnerd887 They lucky sons a bitches.
as someone who read this series in a middle school book club, I'm not surprised it was written in 3 weeks. it feels like something that you write for a creative writing class assignment that's due in 48 hours
🤣🤣🤣not the writing assignment due in 48 hours
Haters gonna hate, you try making millions from book sales and movies
BYE i had to watch this movie in my creative writing class 💀💀
I remember throwing the last book at a wall after I read it. I was way too into books back then 🤣🤣
@@krystalmarin2010 I'm curious what was the conclusion that was never created in the movie?. The one that got canceled from coming out.
My biggest problem with divergent is that Tris was only 100% divergent because her mother came from the outside. putting an outsider into the experiment completely ruined the experiment and no one even acknowledged it.
Her mother was from the outside world?! (Its been years since I read the books and I gave up on the movies halfway through Insurgent) that really is such a major plothole holy shit
@@InanimateGenderlessBlob I've never read the books, but in the movies yes. It was revealed in the third movie. I don't blame you for giving up😂😂
Yes that was true in the books as well.
also, four was practically almost fully divergent, so surely in a society that reveres divergents, he wouldn't have been treated so badly, nor referred to as dauntless once they left the experiment, like surely they would've been like woahhhhh a fully and almost full divergent!!!! and since its about genes and stuff, surely they have pressured them to create kids that be either fully or almost fully divergent to try and create more???? lmao
@@puttingmyphoneoncharge in the books it was explained that four wasn’t actually divergent. he had an awareness that combatted the serum (which other people had as well) but they just didn’t know that at the time.
thing is, I read every book multiple times and have seen these films, and can also say I have absolutely 0 idea what's going on at all
i was about to say the same thing lmao
same lol
@Isabella Daza at least the percy jackson movies were pretty good when not compared to the books. SUPER different of course but i still enjoyed watching them, and if u didnt read the books first you probably wouldnt have any issues. divergent got done mad dirty imo :'))
I’m working on a masters I have no clue what’s going on 90% of the time
@Isabella Daza what do you mean? Oooh, you're talking about the Peter Johnson movies!
The factions seem like they were inspired by the main 6 in My Little Pony.
Honesty-Apple Jack
Bravery- Rainbowdash (loyalty)
Peaceful-Fluttershy (kindness)
Smart-Twilight
Selfless- Rarity (generosity)
I'm gonna go with Pinkie Pie is Divergent because she is kind and generous :)
But with MLP these traits were given to 6 individual characters. I don't understand what's up with the idea of sorting personalities into 4 or 5 groups but maybe the author was watching mlp on her winter break
It’s co Corning how much you know about a children’s show
Ngl now I want to make a fanfic version of divergent but mlp
Oh god, a bronie
I remember a lot of the shows I watched as a kid and used to adore mlp but I'm legit scared of being associated with the fanbase, I can't tell if you are brave or insane
💀
the main character is “unique” in this story because she is.... a normal human being
And that's kinda bittersweet
Which isn't a bad concept but it's executed poorly in Divergent. missed opportunity.
Womp womp
Lmaooo I didn’t even think of it like that😂😅
I forgot about this movie till I saw it on tiktok and I’m watching it now
Any movie: cOLLeGe
Dylan: hEY gUyS dO yOu kNOw mY cOLLeGe LitErALLy wAs sHut DoWN
every time lol
im really just waiting for the day when Dylan paints those chair legs green and edits it out so its just him and his beverage floating in front of movies
This is such a good idea
Honestly one thing that I really enjoyed about Divergent is its commitment of killing the main character. Not many series would do that.
But it wasnt needed and means nothing
@@jbear3478 So, life.
So like the hunger games?
And this is why i promise myself not to read the comments of something i havent finished
@@Diangeloozik I'm so stupid I continually spoil these dumbass books for myself 💀
‘’his name is four, that’s so mysterious and sexyyy’’ 😭😭
Maybe I should change my name to Six, or Onyx. THAT would get people wondering what's going on inside my head.
I dig that ultimate cheetah 3000
And how he got his name doesn’t really make sense either...it’s because he is only afraid of 4 things but as far as I know they can only change their name when they „arrive“ at their new fraction. However they have to face their fears in the second part of their training therefore after they had the chance to change their name...and lets be honest no one can know exactly how many things they are afraid of
Sorry but that’s something I was always annoyed of
@@cara3385 I think it's a nickname. But it still sounds ridiculous.
@@jayyang5749 Haha. Thanks. What will your "mysterious" name be?
Tbh, the faction choosing ceremony always reminded me of Tinker Bell choosing her talent 😂
Omg I thought I was the only one who thought that 😂😂😂😂😂
Nope another one here! 🖐🏻😂
Yesss!!!!! That is why it was so familiar. Love the Tinker Bell movie!
prob the author was a big fan
One of the messages of the Hunger Games is that war ruins everything whether you win or not, but if Divergent had a message it would be that you should genetically modify people to be smart.
One thing I love about Dylan is how well-spoken he is. He just really has a way to phrase his words that is so eloquent and as a viewer you can always keep up with him and understand what he’s explaining. All of Dylan’s word choices are amazing and intelligent
Couldnt have put it better myself
I agree 👌
I agree from the guy who's college shut down it's unbelievable.😂😂
yeah. and i think the metaphor with the painting in the house is spot on
😂😂True
At the beginning of the book it is specified that the fearless faction has the most choosy faction requirements to get in, but they obviously also have the highest mortality rate. One of their own faction died at the train jumping ceremony. A person who has been doing this for at least a year died at the first task of jumping off a train, which they do every day.
But four doesn't die after the weird helicopter crashes 😂💔
Dylan shoving the fact that his college doesn’t exist anymore into every video is the funniest thing
he's so mad about it lollll
@@SmokeyFiizz Id be too lmao, get those pitty points fuck it
His biggest flex honestly. I don’t know many people whose colleges have vanished.
@@adamlambboy8332 my dad's did, and he's been pissed ever since.
@@roseyoung44question: if your college vanished would your student debt disappear
can we just agree that movie franchises need to stop splitting last books into two movies?
very true
or stop making trilogies i think that ruins the ending because the first is always the interesting "new' concept, then the second is expanding on that and the third always becomes more convoluted, complex, confusing, and kinda boring and more political and it tries to link the cool fun small idea to this now huge world of power overlords but they also have to overthrow it all in that same book that introduces that big evil. what results is a disappointing sorta-conclusion that ends somewhere almost irrelevant to what the first one was even about to begin with.
Agreed
eh i feel like it depends , you can’t always put everything into one movie from the books and if you don’t then fans will be upset certain things aren’t in the movie , so i get why it’s a thing.
Agreed
The fact that each character can pick whichever faction they want is inherently flawed. If a character's aptitude test shows that they align with abnegation but they end up choosing dauntless (which they're allowed to do) it shows that they have conflicting traits about them. Which makes them... divergent.
Choosing to present yourself as something doesn’t mean you truly ARE that something. While yeah it would be a bit weird to join a faction you weren’t aligned with, choosing to do so doesn’t magically make you Divergent. It just means you made an odd choice. You don’t have to have “conflicting traits” to make that choice - you could be making it to appease a relative, because you’re being smart/strategic, because you feel too pressured in your current faction, etc. For example, someone raised in Amity (to be peaceful) might want an edgier lifestyle and is recommended for Dauntless, but knows their family would be broken-hearted or shocked (or they worry that they themselves won’t succeed there), so they go for a “safer” option like Abnegation (rather than from one extreme to another).
That said, being a divergent in this case means a) you have very specific physical and health characteristics and b) you are equally dominant in several of these traits. It’s not about choosing factions, it’s about a physical and mental reaction to testing and medications.
They want to choose Gryffindor but the sorting mechanism attempts to put them in Slytherin..... What?
I was just explaining divergent to my friend who’s never heard about it and after I told her that there’s a test but then they get choose which faction they go into even though the test tell them what faction would be the best… my brain was like “hold up that don’t make no sense” I don’t get how I didn’t figure that out sooner when I was obsessed with the series.
Maybe it’s the illusion of choice
@@hollyscottage someone who is mentally unstable like Al would pick Dauntless because it's the easiest faction to die by suicide in with the weapons, chasm, and ziplining from the Hancock Building.
The best thing about the 3 movies is the cast. Theo James has two successful tv shows right now, Miles Teller as Rooster in Top Gun Maverick is amazing, Zoe Kravitz as Catwoman in The Batman was phenomenal.
The rest of the cast featured Kate Winslet, Maqqie Q, Ashley Judd, Tony Goldwyn, Ray Stevenson and my fav Shailene Woodley. It's crazy the 4th movie wasn't made.
It wasn't made because the films kept making less and less money with each one.
I watched purely for miles
Had no idea Stevenson was in these movies and now I’m sad
As bad as Divergent movies were, all I can describe the movies as "Film series with a bunch of good looking people" 😂😂
@@Carlie.7 Same
tris’s death ENDED me, fifteen year old me was never the same again...
same i was wrecked lol
@@user-es2ip2gs9n I remember it was the first book I cried to and I thought I was so dumb and overreacting so I hid in my room so no one would see- now I cry to literally everything lmao
Bruh I cried more for Uriah I’m still not over it 😭😭
@@mkana-d2j Yup, she dies in the books, but she lives in the movies
wait she diedd lmaoo i only watched the movie and didn't really know what happened cuz the box office got so low I'm pretty sure but lolll that's funny
honestly i have so much respect for Veronica Roth like she really just wrote a bare bones book in three weeks, piggybacking off the success of the hunger games, gave it to an audience she knew would eat it up, and then made absolute bank off it. legend
edit: thanks for reminding me of her name
Veronica Roth
exactly !
I suppose she was pretty smart for making such good money, but at the same time I think people should be making their success by coming up with something new and individual to them, not by "piggybacking" off the success of other people's writing.
Her name is Veronica Roth
Hum...she did made a bunch of books since then. She probably improved, can anyone tell me what book from hers are actually good?
I went on a “Divergent” field trip thing done by the Alamo Drafthouse when I was like 13 and super into the books. Met Four’s actor, got bussed to this zip lining course, we had a knife-throwing class, and an after-dark capture the flag tournament. I remember that experience much more fondly than the books it was inspired by.
You've met Theo James!? That's great!
That sounds so called
that sounds awesome
That sounds like it would’ve been so much fun!
My 13 yr old self would have loved this omg but i did get to see a marathon of divergent and insurgent at Alamo too
This is really ironic bc that's exactly how I read these books. I gradually slowed down until the 3rd book... and I got so bored I forgot for months and then didn't remember most of book 3 so gave up and read something better.
Couldn’t get through the first one and only some of these comments are helping my memory of what I did read. HG trilogy? Read in three days
This whole concept would've worked if Jeanine was secretly in on it. Everyone calls her "the divergent killer" because they go to her and are never seen again, but she actually secretly ships them to the Bureau. THAT would make it make so much more sense
Whaat? 🤯 That would be great
YESSSSS
No joke that would be amazing
This one simple change would've made the lore and plot of these movies infinitely more coherent.
That would make the plot coherent, and this story doesn't deserve that lol
As someone who read all three books, Dylan’s explanation of the history of the world made a million times more sense
Agreed 😆
Dylan whenever he gets the chance: "So I actually went to a scam college that recently closed for business"
That's his only weird flex. Don't tell anyone.
Is that true?
@@charin951 yes, he has shown the school multiple times
Wait what's the name of the school?
@@tesscrelli783 I live in WI, and I'm always so curious. No idea tho.
My sister described this movie perfectly:
“Theo James took off his shirt and it still almost was not enough for me to keep watching.”
LMAOOOO
bro i re-watched divergent the day after i previously watched it just for theo cause of how gorgeous he is
Baka hentai
💯💀🤣
*theo's movie*
You stopping to kindly reassure the author is what earned my subscribe. You’re awesome dude
Dylan’s just mad that he hasn’t finished his book in three years while she wrote it in three weeks
The book was written in THREE WEEKS?!
She WHAT
Well unlike the author of divergent, Dylan is actually taking his time to write a well thought out and interesting book with good writing.. Sorry that doesn't take 3 weeks?
Not the people replying before watching the video 💀
@@TabooTalz maybe u missed it, he mentions that at 4:40
DYLAN HIT 1 MIL AS HE SHOULD WELL DONE TROUBLMAKERS WE DID IT
As he should period 🥳
As he should 😌🥰
Y’all are AWESOME‼️😩🗣🙌🏾🙌🏾
Omg I was watching him last night and it was still about 960k? Now it’s 1M? Holy shit!
WE DID IT🥳
i think what saved this movies, especially the first one, is the chemistry between four and trice. actors did a great job about that
it brings life to it tbh
The fact that Veronica seems to think "In wrote it in 3 weeks" is something to brag about tells you everything you need to know about it.
like girl its supposed to take longer
exactly. what good book was written in 3 weeks? most books take months.
@@samcarmen some take years. And they're great. If your book takes three weeks-
The fact that it was even slightly readable and written in three weeks is kind of impressive. Not good but impressive.
I just want to appreciate that it took three weeks to become a millionaire though lol.
This movie is literally just the maze runner and hunger games mixed together and was made in 3 weeks
I could be wrong, but I thought Divergent came out before The Maze Runner?
@@swordsmithing I know but like I’m saying that the maze runner was more thought out and was better written a
@@swordsmithing No maze runner was published in 2009 and divergent in 2011. So maze runnner was the first one. I don't know the order of the movies but since they are based on the books I think when the books were published matters more 😊
@@katrijnvnl8052 Oh okay, good to know. I never read Maze Runner and I always just assumed it was more recent..
@@Bkfvlms divergent was also well thought out? It came from a book. I like the movies and personally I enjoyed them more than the maze runner and hunger games. With the maze runner I don't even remember majority of what happened and I've watched All the movies and with the hunger games I fall asleep all the time trying to watch it.
“Repetitiveness in speech”
Fuck, how didn’t I see that coming and why did it make me laugh so hard 😂
Ikr 😂😂
The fact that she wrote the book in around 50 days (apparently that's what she said, so it wasn't exactly just over winter break) kind of explains some things for me. It's been a long time since I read the books, but I do remember really enjoying them. It was definitely well written, and the characters and general atmosphere/world were well-done. But when I think about it, there were always elements of the world and story that didn't altogether make sense, that I overlooked because I was invested in the characters and their experiences.
To me it really explains why the movies fell so flat for me. When I watched them, I came out feeling like it was somehow too faithful an adaptation. I think that the reason the books worked is because she is a good writer, but the movies couldn't capture that the same way because it's a different medium, so even though the movies were faithful to the story and world from the books, they came out feeling pretty bland by comparison.
You think she's a good writer 😅😅😄😄😃😃🤣🤣
@@Not_Always I admit, I was in High School when I read it, so I can't promise I'd have the exact same evaluation now.
But I feel like the ability to suck a person into the world and story, and continually keep them engaged, is a sign of being a good writer. And I think the fact that the books were so massively popular also helps corroborate that.
That's not to say she's amazing, or even that everyone has to like the writing. But I think writing can be a lot like music in that it can be good without it appealing to everyone. But just calling something bad writing or bad music simply because it doesn't click with you is a bit short-sighted and egocentric imo.
@@peterlewis2178 there are books that are objectively bad. It doesnt matter how engaged a person is. To say that writing is good because it was done quickly is kinda stupid. In short, this series was not well written and the world she created didnt make much sense. But if you like it, thats fine
I mean some people like 50 Shades. Its ok to like bad writing. Just understand that most people wont
@@Not_Always I wasn't saying that it was good because it was done quickly. I was saying the fact that the books were engaging means that they were well written. By that I mean that, despite the flaws the series had, she was a good writer, and her skill with writing carries the series.
Yeah, the world may not have made much sense, but that doesn't mean that the books were poorly written. It just means the worldbuilding was bad. There are a lot of qualities that make books good and bad, there's no single factor that determines if it's "good" or "bad" writing.
At the end of the day, if a book is able to be really engaging to a large audience, then that proves that it has elements of good writing. Maybe not exceptional, but good nonetheless.
I was just saying that she was clearly a good and engaging writer, and that made the books good and engaging to me when I read them. But, when looking back on it, and understanding the context of the time-span in which she wrote it, the flaws are a lot clearer.
I mean, I personally wouldn’t call them well written, even if I also read them in high school. I mean, I enjoyed the first book, confusing and boring at times but overall enjoyable, but I just had to leave the second one halfway through, because I could feel my sanity being stripped away from me with each unnecessary angst show off from Tris and Four, like when they fought and Tris decided to kill herself but was too emotionless (or didn’t have enough character development) to actually care to step off the edge. And the whole “Amity are drug addicts” felt so weird and unnecessary, like, I was willing to cope with it, but then it just kept getting weirder and weirder and I was just unable to keep up with the story because honestly, there was no story to keep up with. And yeah, to all that we have to add the fact that Tris and Four are too damn perfect. Like, dude only has 4 fears, and none of them are ever relevant. “I’m scared of hights” but he really isn’t, he literally never shows being scared when dealing with jumping off a building or anything else he does in the story. Again, if everything else was normal in the story I wouldn’t mind, but at this point everything was piling up and I just had enough. Veronica can be great with generating concepts, I will give her that, but to call Divergent well written is like calling a t-rex a german shepherd cause those two things are animals but not even slightly close to confuse them
i’m in class but this is more important
same
yup
Exactly
im in science and I have a test but Dylan posted so
Yes
‘’ Because they’re brave, they’re always running everywhere’’😭😭 I wondered the same thing, what did they actually ever do to show bravery😂
Didn't (almost) all the Dauntless members take some injection Erudites pushed on them without question? Is that bravery or stupidity?
Well, as far as I remember, they're basically soldiers, they protect all the others... But yeah, they're also really stupid and follow orders blindly, not to mention that they kill off or throw out most of the people who want to join them as well as plenty of their own members. They are really violent and always put themselves in danger, that's why they're called brave I guess. Though I think that in Greek their name is translated as "fearless" which makes more sense.
I think they like did zip lining or smth,,, because zip lining is brave(?)
Didn't they have to jump into a big hole at some point as well? I cant really remember tho....
"We like run fast and jump on and off moving trains to get where we are going, we're crazy!" My kids were watching this and told me it was based off a NYT bestseller. I felt like I was watching some fanfic written by a 17 yr old "I'm not like other girl's" that somehow got turned into a movie.
no one:
literally not a soul:
dylan: my college closed down
It’s a story that has now become infamous among Northwestern writers: Veronica Roth (Weinberg ’10) wrote her breakout novel “Divergent” over her senior year winter break, signed a three-book contract with HarperCollins by April and sold the movie rights to the novel just before graduation. The book went on to become a massive hit among young adults, eventually being turned into a film trilogy that generated over $750 million at the box office.
But Roth said it didn’t go exactly like that. After taking a light course load in the fall and completing her final papers early, Roth said she took about 50 days to write “Divergent.” She sent the rough draft to an agent she had previously spoken to (whom she found after Googling “how to get published by a big publisher”), who took interest in the piece and signed her. Roth then took another light course load in the spring so she could make revisions.
For the people arguing about how long it took her to write it and if that included revisions. People forget just how many YA movies came out and failed. It was like Vampires and zombies, then over night, they just all mostly went away. Shadow and bone is the only one that currently comes to mind.
Dylan’s version of divergent is 50 times better than the actual divergent.
Literally he was describing it and I was thinking wait that's not how I Remember it it wasn't that good
I haven’t seen divergent since it first came out and I legit believed Dylan’s explanation 😅
@@fridahan588 same like it seemed so good
he almost made me watch the last movie tbh
Oh yeah, this was supposed to be the next big thing.
Yes. _"Supposed"_
I remember loving the divergent and The Maze runner so much
@@graciee7808 I want to forget that phase so bad I am so ashamed
@@bread6052 I actually enjoyed the Maze runner tho 😭
@@graciee7808 maze runner was good although newt did not deserve what he got smh
Dylan: She's the protagonist, she can't die-
Me who has read the books and Dylan at the same time: *yet*
Man i was so mad at that ending thank god they aint make no movie
it fr RUINED me
Same!!!
I was not ready for that ending
i'd never cried at the end of a book before the divergent series
"she's the protagonist, she can't die...yet"
This made me laugh so hard but also cry at the same time!! 😂😂
The book could have literally been about a child born Fractionless and how they survive and their choosing ceremony, etc. Because you NEVER see any Fractionless children- they could be taken away at birth and given to families, but what if they manage to hide a child and raise it as this Fractionless activist? Someone who tries to break the barriers and stigma around it. You could still have oppressive government, minority groups, revolution, etc with a much more interesting character.
Once you choose a different fraction you can not go back to your original one and if you don’t rank up at your new fraction, you become part of the fractionless. I guess that’s why there are no fractionless children, I don’t think the fractionless would even want children, they’re basically homeless
oh crap is it fractionless? this whole time I've been thinking it's factionless lmao
@@justarandomnobody374 nope it is factionless haha it was probs a typo
@@justarandomnobody374 no your right it’s not fraction lmao
@@zeezee6809 honestly I don't think being homeless would stop them from having children. There are lots of poor people in this world who are still having children. And some of the fractionless are young and I doubt they live under celibate for their whole lives. They also probably don't really have access to birth control so.. yeah I think there should be a lot more children that are born fractionless
The author wrote Divergent in three weeks? Damn the fact that it's not completely terrible is honestly impressive.
That doesn't include editors fixing shit and her having to rewrite stuff
@@crayolaclouds2696 that’s still SUPER impressive
Ehhh. I don’t know. Most YA books are around 60k-80k words. All she had to do was write roughly 3k words a day.
@@tetewhyelle Divergent is 105,143 words so that would be 5,000 words a day i think
I mean they're good books but the premise it's basically Hunger Games with Hogwarts Houses
Gotta love how Dylan just floats around on a stool and a glass of wine. Like a cosmic alcoholic ranting bout movie tropes
a cosmic alcoholic.... in ankle socks to boot
This was my life during lockdown actually
@@GlennDavey That was my quarantine xD
The Lovecraftian god of movies - high as Azathoth's balls
the way i didn’t know any of the overall plot and i’ve seen the first two 🤯
I’ve read the first two books in high school and also didn’t pick up on that
I always called it the Detergent series, because it has the plot and acting chops of a soap opera...
OMFG I CALLED IT DETERGENT TOOO. Great minds think alike!
So happy to know I wasn't the only one who called it Detergent 😂
i called it detergent bc it sounds like it---
Tbh I actually thought it was called detergent 👁👄👁
I feel stupid now-
I called it Dievirgin because only virgins will like it and.... die
the irony of divergent is that the main conflict is that tris has more than one personality trait, but technically she doesn't have any personality
*Dylans whole personality is that his college shut down*
That’s his faction
@@maryjanemcinally356 💀
Too smart you lose compassion.
@@maryjanemcinally356 No he's factionless
yea 🤣
25:25 To be very generous, I think the idea (based on something you showed earlier where they described exactly how the genetic modification "went wrong") was that the gene-mods presented in hyper focus (those modded to be brave were brave to the determent of everything else, etc) so the factions were supposed to be like this kinda reverse psychology test. If you were divergent it meant that your genes "had fixed themselves" or whatever. Like, the whole thing was a set up just waiting for the first person to go "hey this all seems really dumb" and then they win I guess?
The ONLY reason i haven't forgotten about this series is bc I think of how hot Theo james is occasionally.
That's the only reason I watched the movies cuz I hated the books otherwise
Same
Yes lol. He's gorgeous
This is me and I’m not ashamed of it
Absolutely
Funny story:
A friend of mine pirated Divergent from a torrent site, Burned it to DVD and tried to watch it, she turned it off, and threw the disc away.
She said "Basically, I stole this movie, and I'M the one feeling cheated".
I took her advice and didn't bother with it.
"I didn't buy this but I want a refund."
Why burn it to DVD though.
Just watch it.
Or, just burn it.
Exactly the same story with me and Star Wars Episode 8... Such a garbage.
Also, your friend: QUEEN
@@Selyidar She's the same as me, a Movie collector, so when we get a film, we put it on a permanant media.
It's pretty rare we get a film that causes such a bad smell we don't keep it.
I saw all the three parts of the movie yesterday torrented it worth my time lol
These movies came out after a line of very similar movies (twilight, hunger games, maze runner). The market was saturated and the divergent series brought nothing new to the table.
Bite your tongue! Twilight should never be put on the same list as Hunger Games!
I'm mostly joking but for real the only thing they have in common is the section of the bookstore in which they were originally sold.
@@BabaCorva they share a lot of the same tropes. twilight was different, but still echoed a similar 'protagonist has "something special - just because" arc'. Not saying it's a bad thing, but it def makes them feel redundant.
cute name btw
I have put more time and thought into cheap fanfictions than she has in her YA series
i agree. i liked all the books but cant remember a single thing about the maze runner lol
@@kristen21023 To be fair it's pretty common to have your protagonist be special for some reason. Think of Harry Potter for example, or Aang from Avatar.
Me: has read the whole divergent trilogy, and read the first book several times.
Also me when Dylan explained the lore of the divergent universe: WHEN DID ANY OF THIS HAPPEN?
same i’m so confused how i can remember that i read the books but i can’t remember anything from them
I mean there are novellas so I guess it was talked about a bit more in those books instead of the main book series
Same here
lol SAME
omg SAME i was like, did I even read them properly ???
I think we forgot about divergent because it literally falls into the whole “teen girl has to save a dystopian society” trope that became popular with the hunger games it’s literally like the author of Divergent asked the author of the hunger games for her homework and the hunger games author told her ok but don’t copy it all the way change a few answers
EDIT: oh wow thanks everyone for the likes :)
I think the issue with the dystopian fad in the YA genre is how it disassociates the reader from the world it presents. Teens may enter thinking about how cool it'd be to be a badass heroine in such a crapsack society but after a while they become bored with it, recognizing nothing from themselves or their friends in any of the characters. That's conversely why Harry Potter was so successful-the boarding school environment made it ever so relatable all the way through, despite having ample fantasy elements in it.
divergent only became popular entirely because of the hunger games leading the rise of the dystopian genre.
@Not Another Minute not really but I get what you mean
@Not Another Minute diveregtn is nothing like hunger agmes expect for the factions and district group
Not to mention Hungry Games was already a copy cat of Battle Royale
When I first read the first book, I LOVED it. It kinda reminded me of the hunger games which I also love. It started off very strong and had lots of potential but it kinda lost that potential in the second book. It moved really slow and I can barely remember the first part of the book. I liked the idea of the whole thing just being an experiment, but I hate how everything happened so fast and randomly. Like four breaks out of the compound after bed time, boom Uriahs dying. The whole thing could have been a lot better but just unnecessarily stretched out scenes, made some scenes feel too short, and a lot of the deaths felt unnecessary, to the point where I can’t even remember half of them.
If they wanted to make people genetically divergent why didn’t they just let all the factions mix? If a dauntless marries a dauntless, they’ll likely have a dauntless baby. But if a dauntless marries an erudite they can have a dauntless erudite baby! Do I need to draw Veronica a Punnett square?
...they explain in the third book...that the city they were in was not the only one, it was the first to have the faction system
others that didn't or tried to mingle the people more fell to ruin
or something like that
i dont remember exactly, I read the books so long ago
Also, they did actually mix, they could choose to change faction at the age of 16 remember? And have family with their new faction
@@melodyacosta5939 but they are advised to pick faction based on the test they take...
@@TheFantazingo But there are still kids that get an other faction as there test result, one girl can be born in erudite and later go to dauntless, because of there results. Her parents are still erudite though. So when she later goes on to found a family, her kid could become dauntless, but also erudite or dauntless erudite, or an completely other faction, depending on where the father is from.
@@raventenebris5344 That doesn't make sense? I'm sure it's canon, but you can't just be like "Yeah, we tried the smart thing and it didn't work" to handwave plotholes.
Divergent is basically if you take the Hunger Games, but then you take out excellent social commentary, interesting characters, wonderful world building, and an actual sense of caring for content over profit
Don't forget a splash of Harry Potter in that mix
To be fair, Divergent has made me appreciate The Hunger Games way more than I did initially. That was an actually well written story for the most part. But this... yikes.
While the Hunger Games is Battle Royale with romance and less blood
Yesssss
I like Divergent more than The Hunger Games!
I liked the first book (I was a teenager at the time), bougth the second and found it ok... And then I bougth the 3rd and I was like "What the f***ck?"
An ex-girlfriend of mine liked these goofy books lol. I give Veronica Roth an F for story and an A+ for understanding her target customers. She probably wipes her tears from reading bad reviews with hundred dollar bills.
I just picture her crying into hundred dollar bills as she’s reading reviews, and then slowly her sobs transform into maniacal laughter and she just starts screaming “I won, *bitches!* “ over and over again.
ngl it worked on teenage me
@@bennyton2560 Teenage me was horrendous on people who like YA, I'm glad I mellowed out but I still don't like most of the YA books I grew up knowing.
Eye infections are tight!
I still enjoy these types of movies, nothing wrong with that. I like the authors
Dylan: "She's the protagonist she can't die... yet"
Me: * *sweats* * I am still emotionally scarred from reading Allegiant. I read the entire thing the day it came out and went to a book signing the next day for it. She managed to ruin something I loved so much so quickly. Then I had to actually go meet her 😂
oh..
Pls spoil the ending of the books for me. I watched the movies but they never made the last film so 🤷♂️
@@lauratroy13 are you sure?
@@Nelly-cj9wc yeah I don't care enough to read the books ever 😁
@@Nelly-cj9wc Yeah spoil it
Isnt it weird to know that "divergent" basically just means *normal* people. Like clap clap for being unique and interesting.
Yeah haha, I think that's another reason for it's popularity since teens will be like "omg she's just like me, I must be so special". Maybe that's what popularized those not like other girls vibes.
@@MsCupcakeloveer Nah, Bella and Katniss were like that too😭
@@atinymoonizen True hahah, at least Katniss was quite brave. I never got the appeal of Bella though, I think I mostly just watched those movies for Taylor Lautner haha
@@atinymoonizen Meh, I think Bella was like that a bit, but I didn't really think Katniss was like that
@@atinymoonizen Katniss literally killed people.....not necessarily normal
20:36 ✨ g a r b a j e ✨
The government of maze runner with the one-quality defining groups of Harry Potter, with all the depression of the hunger games
And yet the author still managed to make the series awful.
Best crossover fanfic ever
@@wyntertheicewyvern6226 The only author that was able to pull it off, and make it onto the screen (albeit tv screens) was Lev Grossman who wrote The Magicians. Its actually young adult friendly because it has complex relationships between couples which is what most of the young adult faze of peoples lives consists of.
And non of the nuance
But the thing was that the hogwarts houses were a myriad of traits each, not one single thing
the factions never made sense to me, everyone is divergent. the mother was born dauntless and then chose to be abnegation, so she was raised on both. the brother was born abnegation and chose erudite, so he's both. the amity leader is amity (i think she was also born dauntless?) but she's also selfless when she chooses to help tris and the rest. there isn't a single character who is just one thing except maybe kate winslet. even the father who is abnegation picks up a gun and fights like dauntless
Honestly it’s a joke. Society is based on people having only one personality trait and people are killed if they have more than one personality trait. Like. WHAT?
@@xiahkixiri it really is, at least in the hunger games for example each district had a specific trade which is kinda realistic but personality trait? if humans were that one dimensional things would be a lot different
@Lily Leilani Fleur Laurier i get where you’re coming from but i feel like that only applies to some of the characters. the majority of them are classified as one thing when in fact they’re multiple. like i mentioned, the mother was born dauntless and based on the premise of the books/movies like you said, left because she didn’t feel like she belonged. but she was still brave, she didn’t lose that just because she chose to become abnegation. four was not divergent and he left abnegation fir dauntless, but he has personality traits from all the factions. christina left candor for dauntless and she did become brave, but she never lost her bluntness, she remained honest and just added on the brave. if you remember there were also different levels or percentages of how divergent people are, so if it was that some people are just like 1% divergent compared to 90% divergents, i feel like it would make so much more sense. like i understand what the intention was with the whole belonging everywhere and nowhere, but i feel like it got lost when they pretty much portrayed most characters as divergent to some extent
its as if society got separated based on hogwarts houses lol
I think Divergence isn't explained very clearly. I think the faction you receive as a result doesn't reflect your only personality trait, but the most profound and the most instinctive behavior you have. I mean Caleb's first instinct won't be sacrificing himself for others or shooting randomly, it will be to manipulate, or face the problem mentally. I don't know if Johanna is Divergent or not, but just because she shot some bullets doesn't mean she's Dauntless - Dauntless jump in front of fear, facing it sometimes too recklessly. Johanna didn't do that, she planned all the Allegiant movements. She is mainly Amity because she wants peace- and she knows Evelyn wouldn't bring that, so she fights for peace. As for Andrew, yes, it was bravery, but he didn't do what he did because of Dauntless fundamental, intense impulses. He had no way of surviving that, it was a self-sacrifice so a very Abnegation thing to do. This is why the people that are part of one faction only are easier to control(by the way, this wasn't what the founders had in mind, the faction system failling was the fault of people like Jeanine and Eric) - their first impulses are somewhat predictable: a Candor will speak their mind, an Amity will do anything so that conflict doesn't evolve, an Abnegation will sacrifice, an Erudite will try and think their way out, a Dauntless will attack. And this is where Divergents come in - since they have more fundamental behaviors, from more factions, they're sneakier and you can't input a mentality on them. Sure, I don't believe it has anything to do with genes and it's not something you're necessarily born with - but it's something really important and outstanding. Not everyone in the books is Divergent, it's just that Veronica Roth didn't focus on explaining this deep problem of psychology, unfortunately.
I will never get tired of hearing about Dylan’s college closing😭😭😭
i haven't even started the video. is this the 3rd time in a row?lol
💀💀
I think a big downfall for this series comes from the source material. I read the first book and loved it, it could've been a wonderful standalone! Then Insurgent was so boring it took me six months to finish, and I never read the third my mother told me it was that bad! Also, Divergent was clearly chasing the coattails of The Hunger Games' success, but had terrible worldbuilding and was too clearly a ripoff to be successful. I think the author wanted to be as revolutionary as The Hunger Games, but Divergent watered down the formula and wondered why it didn't succeed.
yess i think a big problem with the Insurgent book is that so much of it is just Tris and Four’s relationship problems… like all i remember from the book is that they fought all the time😭😭 if u asked me the plot of insurgent i wouldn’t be able to tell u
@@gabrielleisalanastan all i remember is four has daddy AND mommy issues. And a train ride, and maybe a can of peaches
@@malignantprose4828 omg i remember the peaches now
@@gabrielleisalanastan too much time was dedicated to canned food and mommy issues
"That's your whole life, Just telling the truth? What good are you?"
~Dylan, 2021
At this point, Dylan is literally just covering my fandoms. Next is Percy Jackson y'all.
Let’s gooooo
im not prepared 💀💀💀
And the maze runner
@@hollykopacek3105 oh god me either
This comment made me notice the "jackson" and "valdez" in the background. He had two characters last names in the video, this is destiny now.
The whole concept of divergent is that one girl has a personality, but like she didn’t at the same time she’s literally the stereotypical brunette who has no personality whatsoever but the whole film is about her 😭😭
lol it's called a Mary Sue character, and I hate it so much. It really is not so hard to develop a character, especially the main one
She technically a dirty blonde
@@wildflower3873 come on mate, no need to shade the blondes, so rude!
@@mirame88 To be fair, while these books have some major issues, Tris being a Mary Sue (whatever that term even means at this point) wasn't one of them. She was actually a pretty well written character with a lot of flaws and growth.
@@swordsmithing Oh yeah I totally believe you (I haven't read the books). I was talking specifically about the Tris they made in the movies. I saw a lot of reviews saying that the character has been destroyed in the movies, when in the books she really is great :)
The glass of wine and your white pants have a more involved interaction than any characters in these movies 😂
Divergent was like the love child of the Hunger games and the maze runner but it just kept getting worse with every part 💀
well... like father like daughter...
@@tirkdiamond which is the father 😂
Hahaha but that’s an insult to the hunger games and the maze runner
@@MadisonAiello tbh, maze runner also turned worse with every book. Not as bad as the divergent trilogy, but I didn't like maze runner's resolution at all.
@@excessivelyfangirlingbookw3339 in conclusion, hunger games supremacy
I love that divergent is just a dystopia based on personality tests.
That is a true dystopia
There's actually a faction test at the end of the first book so your not wrong lmao
A dystopian society where your place is determined by the results of Buzzfeed quizzes like “What kind of cupcake are you? Take this quiz and find out!”
when ur 16 they sort you based on your mbti
I will NEVER forget that terrible epilogue called "we can be mended", where Four ended up with Christina. The more Veronica Roth wrote about Divergent, the more she fucked up.
I had to check the summary since I really thought you were lying, but that really is how it ended. Wow.
I also wanted to highlight this piece of writing from the summary I found:
"Tris miraculously survives the death serum and opposite-of-miraculously dies when David shoots her"
The frick! Was that in the book Four or in Allegiant’s book?
what
i read it all, did I repress that memory?!
@@keetinlong6330 In none actually. It was a separate short story.
@@gmdsousa3997 huh. Didn’t hear about the story at all.
I just found this video and it took me to those days when I was a book blogger and the books were being released. Something that also ruined the movies was the ending of the final book. I remember the whole book community HATED the ending.