Um, you seem to be forgetting when the EMP went off over DC in Modern Warfare 2 and all the soldiers had to use their BUISs. I was there. It wasn't a good time.
I'm in geezer territory and never even considered shortening the distance between the two. New experiments coming. Thanks for planting a well presented seed
But but but... I had my (well loved) Vortex Crossfire red dot fail one weekend, while I was out on some private property. The power/light level knob actually failed. (sent it back, vortex replaced the unit, no issues whatsoever. New one works just great!) It ruined my whole damned weekend, because my little range toy (with no backup sights) had no defined ability (for my no-skilled, non tactical wizard havin' azz), to hit out past 50 or so yards! I learned the value of ALWAYS having back up sights. Even on a range toy. (Unless you bring a LOT of range toys, in case one goes down!) Although I have no need to move it back, to get my light out to it's place, I'll experiment bringing it closer in, just to see if it makes things easier for my aging eyes. Thanks for the info! I love your vids! VERY technical breakdowns of many topics!
The point of the longer sight radius is parallax. The longer the sight radius the finer the adjustments on your irons. That's why a rifle length is .5MOA for most irons and .66MOA for carbine length sights. You can put your sights wherever you want but there is a point of diminishing returns in sight radius and adjustment. The prevalence for people using irons today almost makes the issue a non starter but it's still valid if you place emphasis on marksmanship with irons.
Because most people who are serious enough about getting an optic would at least buy a Holosun or a Primary Arms or at least a Sig red dot. We live in a spoiled time where we have so many inexpensive choices for red dots other than the Operator tier ones like EOtech or Aimpoint.
I have a unbranded red\green dot sight i keep on my shotgun (truck gun) made of pure Chineseum. After a year of use, it finally broke. Instead of tossing it I took it apart cleaned and fixed it, (the glass came loose and one of the wires detached) I slapped a new battery in it and it's still rocking, that was 8 months ago. I shoot field loads at clays every other weekend, and 10 to 15 slugs a month. If you know how to disassemble your equipment and make it better yourself, you won't have to buy many of them.
The sight radius on your rifle appears to be about carbine length. NOW, to get home and measure mine... A longer sight radius can help those of us with older eyes, getting that front post out to where I can actually get a sharp focus--a reason optics are becoming attractive. Shooting with the 'irons' is also a way to bring some variety and fun back to the range!
When two points are on the same plane, the distance between them is irrelevant. All sight radius does is vary the resolution of the adjustment. The longer the radius the finer the adjustment. Likewise, the shorter the radius the coarser the adjustment. From my experience, longer radii will allow for better fine tuning for better accuracy and shorter radii will allow for faster sight alignment for rapid target engagement. If there is any concern it is with the width of the front sight post covering the target, which can be changed to a thinner post depending on desired result. Truth be told, the front sight is a rangefinder on military rifles and is proportionally sized to match target width at a given sight radius and given range, which is normally the intended BSZ. For over 100 years that helped soldiers determine how far away the enemy was before modern tools came about. The math worked then and it works now. With the amount of available options these days, customize your rifle to the mission requirements and rock the crap out of it.
Great points! I've always wondered that too; if people are routinely ringing steel @ 50 yards with a 1911 then having twice the sight radius on a carbine should do in a pinch.
When running a red dot with co-witnessed BUIS, try clear lens film, or opaque tape, and make a circle/chevron/line and put it on the scope lens to take place of the rear BUIS. Keep the front BUIS deployed creating a super simple design with no need to worry about aligning, or EMP!....G>
I learned that shorter sight radius isn’t particularly a bad thing on short to mid range firearms. I learned this, when I took your advice on your preference of rear sight placement for my pistol with a red dot. I turn my red dot off at time and practice with the irons, and it’s actually easier acquisition of alignment with a shorter sight radius. So I imagine it’s the same on a pistol/sbr platform.
I moved my front sight back and removed the rear sight. In an emergency I just use the red dot optic body as a large ghost ring, can still make good hits.
smitty334 about 300ish rounds. I’ll shoot using this method 50-75 times per range session. It can be done consistently at 50yards. I’d say I’m average to slightly above average shot. Try it and if it’s not for you then the “normal method” always works too.
Thanks Aaron. I got my OWL a few weeks back, it's got a great throw, but it's HUGE! Compared to a SF Scout DF (1500 lumens), I can see further for sure. But, up close, the SF is brighter and has lots more flood. I asked Cloud Defensive if they had considered making their mount/switch into an AR front sight. They said no. Hell, they should at least make a pic mounted front sight, that also houses the remote switch on the back angle.
What are your thoughts on moving the rear BUIS forward to accommodate a primary optic? Back in my ACOG days, I ran the rear sight in front of the ACOG to maximize the shitty eye relief.
Thank you for a video on this topic. . I’m wanting to put a TLR-HL within reach on the top pic rail. That requires me to place the front sigh behind the light. Wanting to shed some weight from he end of the rifle. 👍🏻🇺🇸
I prefer to my my light on the 12 o clock and my front sight is folded right behind the light. The reason is I like the light to be in the same direction of my red dot.
I went to zero my rds on my angstadt udp-9 and found out it was very loose. Luckily a week before I sighted in my buis so I could still do some plinking that day. So I think they also have a practical use if you live in a place we’re your prohibited to carry weapons for self defence.
I'm considering buis on an AUG that even with an extended rail available has measly 9'' of sight radius, that's an inch less than on an mp5k. besides those very rudimentary irons on top of an optic, It's just all too close together. 5'' on a handgun is different since the rear sight is an arms length away, instead of close in. I'll try moving sights around in the rail space I have.
I think every who owns an AR15 should have a red dot upper, a magnified whether it’s fixed or variable, and a iron sight/ fixed sight only. That way they can train on all the sighting system to see which one they prefer. If the WROL or something else happens you’ll be trained in all types. Just my humble opinion.
Aaron, would this same logic of acceptable sight radius distance also apply to having the rear sight forward (in front of the red dot) and the front sight by the barrel? Asking for those of us with magnifiers who must run their rear BUIS in front of the red dot.
It might be ridiculous, but what if you mounted the front BUS backwards to maximize rail space and allow more sight radius. It might look dumb, but it would work, wouldn't it?
No, but... on my defense rifle/range toy, my red dot went down, and I struggled (HARD) to hit torso sized targets @ 50 yards. I had to watch the splash, and walk the bullets into the target. (Seriously, turn off the red dot one time while you're at the range! It's TRULY harder than it looks!) And 50 yards covers the distance to a neighbor's porch, if you think about it. If there was a deadly threat attacking your neighbor, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't wanna 'spray n pray' in hopes of just hitting the bad guy only. Just something to think about. I found out the hard way: BUIS are worth their weight in gold, when your 'completely reliable' red dot goes down.
Wreckz Alottovdatime, I think Steve was saying yes you want backup irons, but no they don’t have to be at absolute maximum sight radius because you’re unlikely to need every last iota of long-range accuracy capability in a defensive use. That was my take anyhow.
In Florida? Maybe if you live in the Everglades? I live on a golf course. So there are actual 300 yards range. Up until living here I couldn’t imagine seeing a 50 yard shot. Now ok, I can imagine it. Overall I agree and share your sentiment. There are some locations where a human might want that ability to shoot at 300. Remember there are still people who hog tie puppies and throw them in rivers.
battousai07, the idea is that, IN GENERAL, you’d have a hard time claiming you faced an “imminent threat of grave bodily harm or death” from someone 300 yards away or more. So “self defense” at that distance is probably highly questionable at best, and the prosecution would surely go for 1st degree premeditated murder, since instead of hiding or escaping from this distance “attacker,” they’d say you essentially “planned it out.” “Your Honor, I shot him over 300 yards away because I was certain he was going to try to hurt me real bad. In 10 minutes, when he got to me.” Now, obviously, if I’m at my home with my wife and kids and an attacker is literally, actively firing at us from that distance, then sure, I’ll take my chances in court and return fire.
Hey Aaron what are your thoughts about moving the optic back as far as possible and putting the back up rear sight in front of the optic similar to how some people have their sights on rmr pistols?
I'm not Aaron, but I would say it would slow you down. Instead of your eye picking up the red dot as you are bringing the gun up, you won't be able to see it until the gun is up and you have a cheek weld.
Was about to post something similar. I already have one backup sighting system, it's freakin a laser beam. Do I really need a backup to my backup? Only if I'm operating operationally in operations, man! (said while knife-handing and speaking in Randy Macho Man Savage voice)
Personal experience being that you are polling shooters. I have carried a gun professionally for about 10 years now. Mostly have used RCO’s, RMR’s and Aimpoints and I have only witnessed two failures. One was a bullet to an RCO (ACOG) (not mine thank god) and for obvious reasons it failed. The other was an RCO that was dropped on concrete and the only reason I consider it a failure is because it filled with water the following day during a down pour. Optic was still zeroed and usable but a good portion of the view was obstructed by moisture. Outside of those two cases I have never seen a modern quality optic fail.
consider doing a RDS vs BUIS strength test. I've always 'heard' iron sights are stronger and don't fail. however i'd wonder how they'd fare against you optic abuse test. even if they didn't break,I bet they'd lose zero more then a *quality* RDS.
@@steveholt3089 did you notice the "sure their food" comment. Referencing they do the same thing. But to compare strength of the two???makes no sense. Take a hammer hit the glass on a red dot. Its done.... do it to a iron sight. Nothing happens. Mystery solved Shaggy.
@@Rob_Nasty i've personally never needed to hit the glass with a hammer but different strokes for different folks. i'm thinking more drop test and front bumps(to simulate accidentally knocking the front sight on a door or window frame). iron sights can be tough but I wonder if the holding hinge/lock of flip up irons would bend or tweak. on RDS the lenses are normally set back into the tube some so the housing would get hit but not the lenses themselves.
Your sarcasm is priceless bro. In all seriousness, I have a question. What is your take on using zeroed front and rear iron sights as a means to zero a red dot on n a rifle? It didn't work for me and thought I'm doing something wrong? I know you did a video regarding pistol rds but didn't find one on rifles.
Monte PR, if they’re fixed irons and if you want them both zeroed at the same range, then yes. If your irons are dead on, and you visually line up your irons, and move the dot to the center top of the front post, then your dot is just about good to go, needing only a couple shots for confirmation/fine tuning. If your irons have BDC elevation, then maybe, maybe not. Depends on zero ranges and what elevation your rear sight is on at the moment.
@@f308gtb1977 Thanks bro, I was using a KAC rear and front. I'm starting to think I had the rear sight at an elevation different from my RD intended zero.
Monte PR 👍🏻 Probably the most common dot zero is 50/200, and the KAC elevation drum rear sight goes down that low if I recall. So if the irons are dead on, just click it to 2, and use it for your rough dot zero! (Some non-flip-up rears are A2’s and only go down to 300, and that makes it more tricky, but you can still at least get on paper with it.) Whatever you do you’re going to confirm with live rounds. Visually Lining up sights just saves some zeroing ammo.
Then we've got a very well known company out there (which I do own other models of their guns) that has put out a couple of optic ready "CARRY" pistols, that have no place or room for back up sights period.
An atmospheric EMP... Bwahahahaha!! Yeah, it could happen. And an asteroid could cause a mass extinction event. Both are possible. Both are less likely than me dying by a stroke or heart attack. Bigger problem I’ve found with sight radius is running out of adjustment at longer radius, on uppers that I would have hoped were built well enough that the rail was reasonably concentric with the barrel. The only way I could zero the BUIS was to shorten the radius. To approximate the radius of the typical AR-15 carbine rail usually got me there. Sight radius is way over-emphasized, imo. But I don’t know much. I’m not a trainer or anything. Just understand geometry fairly well. And like to shoot.
You can make a EMP at home with radioshack materials, it will only be effective for a few feet though....but IF you rig up your car to be a an EMP you may generate enough power to knockout a 7/11 ;)
SynthWarrior21, the ACOG is tougher than most back-ups, but it can’t hurt. Also you can mount 45° irons, since ACOG’s are fixed-power, and they’ll be backups as well as an option for super-short range shooting where the magnification of the ACOG can a hinderance.
My Aimpoint failed once, bad rheostat switch. Customer service was great, they sent replacement ant wanted to keep old one ti study. Said they don't have many fail, but wanted to check out how for product improvement. Anyway, i will always have some type of BUIS, in case it happens again
@@f308gtb1977 T1. Never had another issue. And it is my go-bag carbine. Always on, rides in back of car at all time, and gets most use as i have it with me for every range trip
@@terrypayne3369 Maybe it worth to look for something smaller. For example Streamlight TLR-1. Also I like to mount flashlight on the side of the rail (usually right side).
When running a red dot with co-witnessed BUIS, try clear lens film, or opaque tape, and make a circle/chevron/line and put it on the scope lens to take place of the rear BUIS. Keep the front BUIS deployed creating a super simple design with no need to worry about aligning, or EMP!....G>
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Um, you seem to be forgetting when the EMP went off over DC in Modern Warfare 2 and all the soldiers had to use their BUISs. I was there. It wasn't a good time.
Lmaoooo, you gave me a good chuckle.
It's true, it even killed in the tritium in some of them. Surprised the hell out of Brian and I too #whoknew #realtalk #themoreyouknow #readingrainbow
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Excellent video. When EMP does fry your optic the last of your worries is whether your sight radius is 11 inches or 15.
Etched reticle exist
@@mediaistheenemy yes, we know.
I'm in geezer territory and never even considered shortening the distance between the two. New experiments coming. Thanks for planting a well presented seed
Just don't get it TOO short....that front sight will block the entire target at 100 meters pretty easily.
My current radius is around 19" and my eyes are 65 lol. I'll do it one notch at a time at 50 yds with 5 shot strings
But but but...
I had my (well loved) Vortex Crossfire red dot fail one weekend, while I was out on some private property. The power/light level knob actually failed.
(sent it back, vortex replaced the unit, no issues whatsoever. New one works just great!)
It ruined my whole damned weekend, because my little range toy (with no backup sights) had no defined ability (for my no-skilled, non tactical wizard havin' azz), to hit out past 50 or so yards!
I learned the value of ALWAYS having back up sights. Even on a range toy.
(Unless you bring a LOT of range toys, in case one goes down!)
Although I have no need to move it back, to get my light out to it's place, I'll experiment bringing it closer in, just to see if it makes things easier for my aging eyes.
Thanks for the info! I love your vids! VERY technical breakdowns of many topics!
A competitor next to me had his RMR fail last Saturday, and smoothly transitioned to his BUIS. It was a good reminder to practice with those irons.
The point of the longer sight radius is parallax. The longer the sight radius the finer the adjustments on your irons. That's why a rifle length is .5MOA for most irons and .66MOA for carbine length sights. You can put your sights wherever you want but there is a point of diminishing returns in sight radius and adjustment. The prevalence for people using irons today almost makes the issue a non starter but it's still valid if you place emphasis on marksmanship with irons.
Guy: you can't get hits at 300m with a 11in of sight radius.
Aaron: am I a joke to you?
XD
You haven't had to actually deploy your iron sights because you haven't tested a bushnell, weaver, or barska product lol
Nick L No truer words have been spoke....Add truglo, NcStar, and sightmark to that list as well.
Because most people who are serious enough about getting an optic would at least buy a Holosun or a Primary Arms or at least a Sig red dot. We live in a spoiled time where we have so many inexpensive choices for red dots other than the Operator tier ones like EOtech or Aimpoint.
@@Excalibur01 Bingo!!
Excalibur01
-Serious
-Holosun/Primary Arms
Pick one 😂
I have a unbranded red\green dot sight i keep on my shotgun (truck gun) made of pure Chineseum.
After a year of use, it finally broke.
Instead of tossing it I took it apart cleaned and fixed it, (the glass came loose and one of the wires detached) I slapped a new battery in it and it's still rocking, that was 8 months ago.
I shoot field loads at clays every other weekend, and 10 to 15 slugs a month.
If you know how to disassemble your equipment and make it better yourself, you won't have to buy many of them.
Never thought about too large of a sight radius, great point. Love your content, keep it up.
The sight radius on your rifle appears to be about carbine length. NOW, to get home and measure mine...
A longer sight radius can help those of us with older eyes, getting that front post out to where I can actually get a sharp focus--a reason optics are becoming attractive.
Shooting with the 'irons' is also a way to bring some variety and fun back to the range!
Raise your hand if you can POSITIVELY identify a target at 300m with iron sights.
Depends on what you mean by positive ID.
SMACK1978, only if I see flashes and hear booms from the 300-yd dude and get bullet impacts next to my head!
One of the few people that I feel gives you no bullshit advice that is sound. Everythingbis thought out and backed up. Love it.
Kyle Defoor did a test on this and he found the sight radius of 14" be optimal for speed and accuracy.
kyledefoor.tumblr.com/post/42282097574/some-new-discoveries-with-irons-first-some
When two points are on the same plane, the distance between them is irrelevant. All sight radius does is vary the resolution of the adjustment. The longer the radius the finer the adjustment. Likewise, the shorter the radius the coarser the adjustment.
From my experience, longer radii will allow for better fine tuning for better accuracy and shorter radii will allow for faster sight alignment for rapid target engagement.
If there is any concern it is with the width of the front sight post covering the target, which can be changed to a thinner post depending on desired result. Truth be told, the front sight is a rangefinder on military rifles and is proportionally sized to match target width at a given sight radius and given range, which is normally the intended BSZ. For over 100 years that helped soldiers determine how far away the enemy was before modern tools came about. The math worked then and it works now.
With the amount of available options these days, customize your rifle to the mission requirements and rock the crap out of it.
Great points! I've always wondered that too; if people are routinely ringing steel @ 50 yards with a 1911 then having twice the sight radius on a carbine should do in a pinch.
When running a red dot with co-witnessed BUIS, try clear lens film, or opaque tape, and make a circle/chevron/line and put it on the scope lens to take place of the rear BUIS. Keep the front BUIS deployed creating a super simple design with no need to worry about aligning, or EMP!....G>
Let's hope you are right about the lightening, Sir.
I learned that shorter sight radius isn’t particularly a bad thing on short to mid range firearms. I learned this, when I took your advice on your preference of rear sight placement for my pistol with a red dot. I turn my red dot off at time and practice with the irons, and it’s actually easier acquisition of alignment with a shorter sight radius. So I imagine it’s the same on a pistol/sbr platform.
Three words:
Etched reticle.
No need for BUS or EMP worry.
True Statement.... Bad Math.....
@@Nologic304 you sir are wise beyond your years. 👍
Tomon8tor Glass can break 😜
@@bigshoe84 true dat, however the reticle is not etched on the external glass.
BUIS porpoise! Yes, I love new video drops! Keep em coming Aaron!
Love the EMP comment haha great stuff as always!
I moved my front sight back and removed the rear sight. In an emergency I just use the red dot optic body as a large ghost ring, can still make good hits.
I've heard of others doing this, but haven't tried it myself. Have you put in a decent number of reps trying it out?
smitty334 about 300ish rounds. I’ll shoot using this method 50-75 times per range session. It can be done consistently at 50yards. I’d say I’m average to slightly above average shot. Try it and if it’s not for you then the “normal method” always works too.
@@theozone5481 Thanks, will do.
Yeah that last EMP burst just really screwed my stuff up
Good info. Something we never really think of.
Thank you I get dirty looks all the time becuae my BUIS are behind my Mawl and tape switch.
say it again.... back up sights. Once again a rational approach to self defense
Another awesome video Aaron an thanks for the knowledge Sir
Thanks Aaron. I got my OWL a few weeks back, it's got a great throw, but it's HUGE! Compared to a SF Scout DF (1500 lumens), I can see further for sure. But, up close, the SF is brighter and has lots more flood. I asked Cloud Defensive if they had considered making their mount/switch into an AR front sight. They said no.
Hell, they should at least make a pic mounted front sight, that also houses the remote switch on the back angle.
There are guys who put their red dot as far back, close to their face as possible and their rear sight directly in front of the red dot, folded.
great pistol and rifle sight radius reference!
What are your thoughts on moving the rear BUIS forward to accommodate a primary optic? Back in my ACOG days, I ran the rear sight in front of the ACOG to maximize the shitty eye relief.
Thank you for a video on this topic. . I’m wanting to put a TLR-HL within reach on the top pic rail. That requires me to place the front sigh behind the light. Wanting to shed some weight from he end of the rifle. 👍🏻🇺🇸
I prefer to my my light on the 12 o clock and my front sight is folded right behind the light. The reason is I like the light to be in the same direction of my red dot.
I went to zero my rds on my angstadt udp-9 and found out it was very loose. Luckily a week before I sighted in my buis so I could still do some plinking that day. So I think they also have a practical use if you live in a place we’re your prohibited to carry weapons for self defence.
I'm considering buis on an AUG that even with an extended rail available has measly 9'' of sight radius, that's an inch less than on an mp5k. besides those very rudimentary irons on top of an optic, It's just all too close together.
5'' on a handgun is different since the rear sight is an arms length away, instead of close in.
I'll try moving sights around in the rail space I have.
Moving the front sight back also helps mitigate impact shift since floated rails like to flex
I think every who owns an AR15 should have a red dot upper, a magnified whether it’s fixed or variable, and a iron sight/ fixed sight only. That way they can train on all the sighting system to see which one they prefer. If the WROL or something else happens you’ll be trained in all types. Just my humble opinion.
Tucker Dale I think everyone should train with Irons before optics too. Just like you should train with a mil spec trigger
They serve a great purpose when that’s all you run.
EMP?........... *whispers* ACOG.
Aaron, would this same logic of acceptable sight radius distance also apply to having the rear sight forward (in front of the red dot) and the front sight by the barrel? Asking for those of us with magnifiers who must run their rear BUIS in front of the red dot.
Interesting perspective. How would a pressure switch for a light change the placement of the light/sight?
It might be ridiculous, but what if you mounted the front BUS backwards to maximize rail space and allow more sight radius. It might look dumb, but it would work, wouldn't it?
If it's a self defense rifle, I find it hard to believe someone is going to be justified in taking a 300m shot with iron sights. Just my thought.
Steve Maddux, conceivable, but VERY low probability. Good point.
No, but...
on my defense rifle/range toy, my red dot went down, and I struggled (HARD) to hit torso sized targets @ 50 yards. I had to watch the splash, and walk the bullets into the target.
(Seriously, turn off the red dot one time while you're at the range! It's TRULY harder than it looks!)
And 50 yards covers the distance to a neighbor's porch, if you think about it.
If there was a deadly threat attacking your neighbor, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't wanna 'spray n pray' in hopes of just hitting the bad guy only.
Just something to think about. I found out the hard way: BUIS are worth their weight in gold, when your 'completely reliable' red dot goes down.
Wreckz Alottovdatime, I think Steve was saying yes you want backup irons, but no they don’t have to be at absolute maximum sight radius because you’re unlikely to need every last iota of long-range accuracy capability in a defensive use. That was my take anyhow.
In Florida? Maybe if you live in the Everglades?
I live on a golf course. So there are actual 300 yards range. Up until living here I couldn’t imagine seeing a 50 yard shot. Now ok, I can imagine it.
Overall I agree and share your sentiment. There are some locations where a human might want that ability to shoot at 300. Remember there are still people who hog tie puppies and throw them in rivers.
battousai07, the idea is that, IN GENERAL, you’d have a hard time claiming you faced an “imminent threat of grave bodily harm or death” from someone 300 yards away or more. So “self defense” at that distance is probably highly questionable at best, and the prosecution would surely go for 1st degree premeditated murder, since instead of hiding or escaping from this distance “attacker,” they’d say you essentially “planned it out.”
“Your Honor, I shot him over 300 yards away because I was certain he was going to try to hurt me real bad. In 10 minutes, when he got to me.”
Now, obviously, if I’m at my home with my wife and kids and an attacker is literally, actively firing at us from that distance, then sure, I’ll take my chances in court and return fire.
Emp’s.....my god I busted out laughing when you started making fun of that shit. 😂😂
I would run longer sight radius and get a different light mount
Hey Aaron what are your thoughts about moving the optic back as far as possible and putting the back up rear sight in front of the optic similar to how some people have their sights on rmr pistols?
I'm not Aaron, but I would say it would slow you down. Instead of your eye picking up the red dot as you are bringing the gun up, you won't be able to see it until the gun is up and you have a cheek weld.
What back up sights do you go with and why? Let’s see a video on that.
How DARE you question the well-known internet wisdom of the EMP killing ALL electronics!!!!
I really want to like that light....however I can’t get past the fact that it looks like a side mounted grenade launcher.
Thing is half as big as the rail lolol
Somebody might be a lumen whore!!!
What buis do you recommend?
Buy an excellent red dot/lpvo and light/laser. Lose the back up sights all together. Go ahead keyboard warriors.....
Was about to post something similar. I already have one backup sighting system, it's freakin a laser beam. Do I really need a backup to my backup? Only if I'm operating operationally in operations, man! (said while knife-handing and speaking in Randy Macho Man Savage voice)
@@rdsmith334 Freaking laser beams!!!
At least (all?) LVPOs have etched reticles.
Question for you Aaron, have you ever had a quality optic/mount fail to where you had to use irons?
Trying to poll shooters to see how common it is.
Sam Karr I’ve seen it happen, usually it’s a battery dying. Pretty rare.
Personal experience being that you are polling shooters. I have carried a gun professionally for about 10 years now. Mostly have used RCO’s, RMR’s and Aimpoints and I have only witnessed two failures. One was a bullet to an RCO (ACOG) (not mine thank god) and for obvious reasons it failed. The other was an RCO that was dropped on concrete and the only reason I consider it a failure is because it filled with water the following day during a down pour. Optic was still zeroed and usable but a good portion of the view was obstructed by moisture. Outside of those two cases I have never seen a modern quality optic fail.
Any option on using fixed sights with red dot or do you require having a foldable rear sight?
consider doing a RDS vs BUIS strength test. I've always 'heard' iron sights are stronger and don't fail. however i'd wonder how they'd fare against you optic abuse test. even if they didn't break,I bet they'd lose zero more then a *quality* RDS.
Comparing apples to oranges... sure their food. But 2 completly different animals.
@@Rob_Nasty A red dot 'sight' and iron 'sights' don't do the same thing?
@@steveholt3089 did you notice the "sure their food" comment. Referencing they do the same thing. But to compare strength of the two???makes no sense. Take a hammer hit the glass on a red dot. Its done.... do it to a iron sight. Nothing happens. Mystery solved Shaggy.
@@Rob_Nasty i've personally never needed to hit the glass with a hammer but different strokes for different folks. i'm thinking more drop test and front bumps(to simulate accidentally knocking the front sight on a door or window frame). iron sights can be tough but I wonder if the holding hinge/lock of flip up irons would bend or tweak. on RDS the lenses are normally set back into the tube some so the housing would get hit but not the lenses themselves.
Off topic but do you prefer round or flat triggers on your AR/pistol/AK?
Have you done any testing on the magpul mbus lr pro sights with the rear meter adjustment knob??
what is the normal sight radius of an AK, 11-12inches? Without going down to the basement and measuring I don't remember.
Its about the same as a carbine length AR with FSB
I was just wondering about this because I have freakishly long arms and a 9.5" rail...
Your sarcasm is priceless bro. In all seriousness, I have a question. What is your take on using zeroed front and rear iron sights as a means to zero a red dot on n a rifle? It didn't work for me and thought I'm doing something wrong? I know you did a video regarding pistol rds but didn't find one on rifles.
Monte PR, if they’re fixed irons and if you want them both zeroed at the same range, then yes. If your irons are dead on, and you visually line up your irons, and move the dot to the center top of the front post, then your dot is just about good to go, needing only a couple shots for confirmation/fine tuning.
If your irons have BDC elevation, then maybe, maybe not. Depends on zero ranges and what elevation your rear sight is on at the moment.
@@f308gtb1977 Thanks bro, I was using a KAC rear and front. I'm starting to think I had the rear sight at an elevation different from my RD intended zero.
Monte PR 👍🏻
Probably the most common dot zero is 50/200, and the KAC elevation drum rear sight goes down that low if I recall. So if the irons are dead on, just click it to 2, and use it for your rough dot zero!
(Some non-flip-up rears are A2’s and only go down to 300, and that makes it more tricky, but you can still at least get on paper with it.)
Whatever you do you’re going to confirm with live rounds. Visually Lining up sights just saves some zeroing ammo.
Then we've got a very well known company out there (which I do own other models of their guns) that has put out a couple of optic ready "CARRY" pistols, that have no place or room for back up sights period.
The deadpan snarky sarcasm at the end makes me want to unlike this video to like it again.
An atmospheric EMP... Bwahahahaha!!
Yeah, it could happen. And an asteroid could cause a mass extinction event. Both are possible. Both are less likely than me dying by a stroke or heart attack.
Bigger problem I’ve found with sight radius is running out of adjustment at longer radius, on uppers that I would have hoped were built well enough that the rail was reasonably concentric with the barrel. The only way I could zero the BUIS was to shorten the radius. To approximate the radius of the typical AR-15 carbine rail usually got me there.
Sight radius is way over-emphasized, imo. But I don’t know much. I’m not a trainer or anything. Just understand geometry fairly well. And like to shoot.
You can make a EMP at home with radioshack materials, it will only be effective for a few feet though....but IF you rig up your car to be a an EMP you may generate enough power to knockout a 7/11 ;)
Hows the owl holding up to that warcomp?
But mah EMPeeee
Is that a KDG mount? Also, what's your favorite irons?
Will that rail work with the pws long piston system?
What's the Name of that vertical grip?
do i really need BUIS if i have something like an ACOG?
SynthWarrior21 extremely unlikely. But I still do because I like the redundancy, for just in case
SynthWarrior21, the ACOG is tougher than most back-ups, but it can’t hurt.
Also you can mount 45° irons, since ACOG’s are fixed-power, and they’ll be backups as well as an option for super-short range shooting where the magnification of the ACOG can a hinderance.
My Aimpoint failed once, bad rheostat switch. Customer service was great, they sent replacement ant wanted to keep old one ti study. Said they don't have many fail, but wanted to check out how for product improvement.
Anyway, i will always have some type of BUIS, in case it happens again
James Woods, which model, if you don’t mind? Just curious since I have one too!
@@f308gtb1977 T1. Never had another issue. And it is my go-bag carbine. Always on, rides in back of car at all time, and gets most use as i have it with me for every range trip
Good info
I LOVE iron sights!
Usually 11 inches is way more what we have anyway. Lol.
Hey Aaron what vertical grip is that? I dig it
Brock Nasty pretty sure that’s the railscales vertical grip.
Christian Keifer - you are right indeed! Expensive as hell but totally badass lol $120
What pistol grip is that ?
Just goes to show 99% of the time it’s a training issue.
I think A A Ron forgot to cut out that cell phone ring....
So smart
Lets be real Aaron, with most of these guys wearing tinfoil hats, they probably will get struck by lightning first.
This flashlight looks huge. Which model is it ?
Cloud Defensive OWL
@@terrypayne3369 Maybe it worth to look for something smaller. For example Streamlight TLR-1. Also I like to mount flashlight on the side of the rail (usually right side).
@@metaller_alex I wish I could haha react this. The OWL has insane Candela
To me the OWL and the new Modlites are the best thing going. Nothing else really compares at this time.
@@terrypayne3369 Best in which criteria ?
I keep hearing 11 inches... what are we talking about here???
Nothing any of us have
I fucking love u
Some people add too much information to the equation.
😂You going to feel real dumb when the EMP hits.👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Nasty One just like last time.
Inverse square law , yeah physics.
Logical minds think alike.... 😎👍
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When running a red dot with co-witnessed BUIS, try clear lens film, or opaque tape, and make a circle/chevron/line and put it on the scope lens to take place of the rear BUIS. Keep the front BUIS deployed creating a super simple design with no need to worry about aligning, or EMP!....G>