@@pikaboom6539 But it didn't existed until the people in 4D space created it as a Super Advanced Simulator. Technically they are fake but at the same time they aren't since simulation will make them be born and grow up like any lifeform. That is why the kid say they are not exactly puppets, as they all have their own AI, making them similar to "real" humans.
@@victoriaaranda7690 Not quite. Anybody who plays the XenoBlade games is probably familiar with Monolith Soft & the previous Xeno games like Saga & Gears.
This plot twist could have been amazing if it was handled right. Instead of this trippy 4-D space thing that was never adequately explained, we could have found ourselves on a ruined and decadent version of Earth that had never developed faster than light travel. They couldn't figure out the physics to make it work, so civilization turned inward to create virtual worlds that human minds could enter and then create entirely new physics within. The "Eternal Sphere" was essentially the dream that humanity could never achieve in reality. The obvious follow up to this is that the computational power needed to make this universe a reality unto itself would also create beings that were self-aware, beings who would be capable of perceiving the true nature of their universe and possibly surpass their own creators, left to their own devices. There are hints in the story that "symbology" is essentially the manipulation of the Eternal Sphere's source code, though this is never explicitly stated in the game. Now you have Luther, the president of the company charged with developing and maintaining the Eternal Sphere as humanity's playground, suddenly realizing that certain civilizations within the artificial universe are actively manipulating the underlying source code and threatening to bring the whole house of cards tumbling down. How does he respond? Remember that these are beings who achieved more in their universe than their creators (humanity prime) achieved in theirs. From Luther's perspective, self-aware beings with the capacity to both perceive and govern the reality of their universe can only be a threat. This SHOULD have been the big reveal of Star Ocean 3. The whole thing was just badly executed on a narrative level. Ironically, the game's ending actually makes sense if you look at it as the creations surpassing their creators. The fact that Fayt and company could take physical form in a universe completely separate from their own is a hint that the Eternal Sphere denizens had already surpassed their creators. Luther did not succeed in deleting the Eternal Sphere because it had already evolved beyond his capacity to do so.
I always felt like it worked because of something called Hegel’s “End of History” In it, the proverbial “Progress of History” has ended and the Utopia is achieved in which death/ sadness/ pain/ etc. is stamped out and Mankind has become one. But if you actually talk to the NPCs in Arkives, Gemmity, and Sphere 211… The End of History ended up just being a big boring silent suffering of the population. This is why only people who can MEANINGFULLY CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR SOCIETY work for a living within Theme Parks/ the Sphere 211 Game Studio/ Security or Police/ etc. essential positions…but everyone else just plays video games or goes to theme parks while never feeling fulfillment. While I agree that it was executed poorly in the narrative, when you look at the “Meta” Narrative…it was a HUGE BALLSY F-U to the very company that they were attempting a merge with at the time (Squaresoft) since it was originally published by Enix in JP. I believe that they meant this whole “4D Space” section to be a look at how things go once there’s nothing left to strive for and what kinds of people will willingly do nothing for themselves yet look for escapism stoop down to; how society in a Post-FTL Travel/Universe Mapping looks versus the colorful & cheerful world of Eternal Sphere…where conflict regularly occurs and you can be anyone else. Plus, I was always under the impression that Symbology was something that exists in 4D Space and the Source Code itself was made using Symbology itself. That would explain a lot of things including how they even achieved fully-universal AGIs being able to meet them IN PERSON.
I saw the title and it just brought back memories. So many memories. Which is something considering I haven't played this game in more than 10 years. P.S. Digital Devil Saga did it better.
i feel the same lol... high ficve... and in Xenosaga had a little similar thing too ( and better ) but the thuth is in DDS at least differtent cuz in that there are much more Buddhist thoughts like: what creative power the thought / imagination has :)
My problem with the twist is that it affects the entire series, now any cool space opera mystery any of the other games had can just be hand waved as "lol debug codes it's a video game" now But at the same time, it gives some things neat twist like basically also confirmed than Welch is just some gamer who hops around games to just fool around
In Star Ocean 7 or 8 they'll probably reveal that 4D space is actually a simulation for 5D beings. And those 5D beings? They're in a simulation for 6D beings!
One thing I did like about this game is that it explains why "Symbology" is a thing. Magic users are basically hacking the game. The symbology is machine code.
This is *EXACTLY* what turned me off on the second half of the story back in the old PS2 era. I was so pumped up that we had angered the gods and they sent an executioner to erase life in the universe, and so the team embarked on a journey to enter the gates to the realm of gods in their desperate attempt to save all life and existence. Upon arriving in the said realm, guess what made me fell off my seat after grueling countless hours of free grinding and dedicated gameplay, only to find out we're just game data?? Not to mention we get to meet the developers in physical form! Not even dot.Hack: GU went that far. It's almost like a kiddy-grade plot for a Digimon series. But nuff said, that didn't stop me from playing and 100% the trophies and its content unlocked from it. The gameplay back on its days are addicting, but that plot twist...ugh!! That made me see all the games I've played from SO1 and SO2 seems like a joke of struggle and survival because of that insane turn of events.
My question is, what's the difference? Whether they are simply part of a simulation, or an actual universe made by gods, there is basically no difference. The fact that a simulation can simply be turned off isn't unique either. Gods that can create universes can probably destory them too. Destruction is easier than creation after all. Personally, I always liked the plot twist. It's basically correlated with my belief that it's impossible to know if we are all simply a simulation and gods are the developers.
No we're not. You're a real person living in a real world. God created us and sent messengers to guide us. There's afterlife and there's accountability. There's Hell and there's Paradise. May Allah bless and guide you.
And here's the _infamous_ twist. You know, for all that's said and done...this could've had potential (if it was done right). Like say, making 4D Space an eldritch location with ancient eldritch gods/creatures who treated the Eternal Sphere as a "game" (akin to an MMO), rather than what we had here. But I guess it was inevitable, with Star Ocean (and most JP games) having such a hard-on for young human-looking characters and the like.
When an author writes his story in way that damns every follow up and makes it impossible for the series to continue. Anyone who plays any star ocean after seeing this twist can never look at the series the same way. There has only been one game to do it better in my opinion and it was controversial as well.
This twist is probably 4 introduced parallel universes, while not explicitly said, there is just enough wiggle room to pretend this entry is off in its own little universe. Just.
Honestly, this games goes from what could have been just a space opera with fantasy elements, only to end up with some meta shit. But I won't lie, it made me laugh lol
@@Spontamar Is it tho? If so do name me the life changing or introspective heavy hitting moments from the game so I can relate, as I feel like I have blended out alot of this game in hindsight due to this twist here.
You're inside a simulation, of a simulation, within a simulation, of a simulation inside The Matrix, inside a taco, inside a taco, within a Taco Bell that's inside a KFC, within a mall, that's inside your brain; which is inside a giant simulation! Oh man, that's deep. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! You're inside a simulation; inside a giant gaping ****** WITHIN a pineapple under a pineapple under a pineapple, inside this photograph, within a child's plaything inside a simulation, inside a simulation (LAYERS!) inside a simulation, inside a simulation!
This game was notable for a having a pretty poor localization, but the redeeming aspect there is how lovingly they translated the Dictionary + Notes scattered throughout the game. However, they didn’t even properly explain Fayt’s “Destruction Gene” and how it quite literally makes everyone in his vicinity unable to be fazed by the hopping of dimensions (and allows them to stay leveled up + use their abilities/symbols in 4D Space). Had they done a better job at explaining the mechanics of the “plot twist”, people would’ve been a lot nicer to it and got what they were going for. After having played this since it came out and studied the game’s story/lore + even the game’s mechanics, I can assure you that a lot of foreshadowing and subtle hints towards said Plot Twist were present even from when the game begins in the hotel 🤷🏽♂️
Between the "twist" the absolute terrible audio balance and the awkward pauses in dialogue I should honestly hate this game. But I keep coming back for some reason. Whether it's the charm of the characters or depth of the battle system idk but this game will always be one of my faves
It's funny that you could see that they had a bit of The Matrix influence on both this game and Advent Children. Unfortunately it's also what made them so infamous to their respective fan base too.
@@nicogalax SO3 basically invalidates everything that came before since none of it fucking mattered and all tension is lost. and AC just straight up damages the legacy of FFVII by adding a bunch of unnecessary bullshit and ruining several characters in the process.
I still say this could have been amusing if one of your party members has a PC controlled by on of the 4D folks would have been fun for the reaction alone.
The plot twist was the worst part of SO3 and made me absolutely hate the entire game. I didn't even want to play it any more, but I pushed myself to finish it. It's terrible.
And after this game I could never bring myself to play a Star Ocean game again. Meanwhile, Flad brought a bunch of cosplay fanatics home. I always liked that the in-game database hinted that the Milky Way survivors were going to make a final stand at Lezonia. Kind of poetic. Oh also that the whole thing becomes Tri-Ace mocking Squaresoft. That always amuses me.
@@music79075 Because Star Ocean 1 opened with a war between Earth and Lezonia. After SO2, Earth used the Nedian tech Claude brought back to make it's previous importance as a wormhole nexus obsolete. Now at the end of the universe all the survivors from Earth (and the other worlds) are going to make their last stand there making the planet important again, this time as a hero instead of a villain. It kind of brings things in the SO universe full circle.
@@specialnewb9821 Yeah but we didn't see it though, and I missed those databases so just thought everywhere was destroyed and in the end the survivors made some kind of new world. It was so unclear.
They couldn've made it work if they made all the citizens of the 4D space gods instead of just people watching an MMO story. It brings the whole "you made us but we have sentience and free will" trope a lot better.
Who says the space gods that created 4D space dont also exist? They could be saving it for a future Star Ocean game, hell maybe it pops up in SO 6 this month
Wait. They are in the real world and Symbology is just them manipulating the source code of their simulation. How are they using their powers OUTSIDE THE SIMULATION!?
@titan-1802 More evidence supports an intelligent designer. Logic states if there's an infinite number of universes, There will be one with the creator of it allwith power over all. At somoe point this being WILL be made by this logic. Infinite is infinite and an infinite number of universes with an infinite number of outcomes will one day breed a god and a devil. Your point is moot there. Another logic statement says either nothing happens when you die or something happens. You cease to exist or continue to exist. If you dont, then you have nothing to worry about as nothing matters in the end. If you do continue to exist, There will be some guy in charge because an infinite number of universes means this WILL hppen. NEXT VICTIM!!!!
@@titan-1802 not really. Its the logic dude. Immagine a question posed by a croc. He snags your kid and tells you he will give him back if you can tell him what he will do. If you get it wrong, the croc eats him. You say, you will not bring my son back. The croc has a paradox now...if he does bring him back, he will have to eat him...but that in turn means he wont bring him back. And thus the croc is now backed into a logic corner. No matter what he does, he will have to return the son alive...in the end, you exist after death or you dont. If you dont...you don't need to worry about being wrong...if you are wrong, youre screwed. Might as well believe in the physical dude who died to premote an idea....Jesus is the freedom from religion.
4: the last hope takes place before all the games, and 5: integrity and faithlessness is not long before this one here. That's how, basically. If it doesn't take place after this game- they don't gotta figure out what to do about it.
The worst twist ever. This makes previous games story irrelevant. Especially story of Star ocean 2 and whole thing revolving energy nede and Ten wise man. Things which they can't explain they throw it to magic and they also don't explain many aspects regarding this scenario properly.
I hate it too, but looking back there were tiny hints in Star Ocean 2. I forget what the bigger one was.. but what did stick with me, even before playing this game, was Gabriel starting the last battle telling us "I'm erasing you.." Not killing, not destroying, erasing, just like the executioners do in this game.
The plot twist got me to skip every cutscene after that. I got to the final boss, lost a battle for the first time, considered trying again, and then deleted my save file because there were no fucks to give.
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Boy, the party really takes the whole "You're fake and so is your entire universe" thing like champs.
Nel has the best female voice actor I’ve ever heard. My favorite character after Cliff.
But there universe isn’t “fake.” It’s an alternate dimension with different properties.
Fayt should've had the best reaction being a gamer
@@pikaboom6539 But it didn't existed until the people in 4D space created it as a Super Advanced Simulator. Technically they are fake but at the same time they aren't since simulation will make them be born and grow up like any lifeform. That is why the kid say they are not exactly puppets, as they all have their own AI, making them similar to "real" humans.
Considering how advanced the simulation is, they're real enough to me.
Now, I've only just discovered the game, so I might be wrong.
meeting others who played this feels like being apart of a club lmao
That’s how I feel about the Xenosaga series. I swear maybe a handful of people know about the game.
@@victoriaaranda7690 played that game too! so much nostalgia
Welcome to the club 😎
Awesome game
@@victoriaaranda7690 Not quite. Anybody who plays the XenoBlade games is probably familiar with Monolith Soft & the previous Xeno games like Saga & Gears.
This plot twist could have been amazing if it was handled right. Instead of this trippy 4-D space thing that was never adequately explained, we could have found ourselves on a ruined and decadent version of Earth that had never developed faster than light travel. They couldn't figure out the physics to make it work, so civilization turned inward to create virtual worlds that human minds could enter and then create entirely new physics within. The "Eternal Sphere" was essentially the dream that humanity could never achieve in reality. The obvious follow up to this is that the computational power needed to make this universe a reality unto itself would also create beings that were self-aware, beings who would be capable of perceiving the true nature of their universe and possibly surpass their own creators, left to their own devices. There are hints in the story that "symbology" is essentially the manipulation of the Eternal Sphere's source code, though this is never explicitly stated in the game. Now you have Luther, the president of the company charged with developing and maintaining the Eternal Sphere as humanity's playground, suddenly realizing that certain civilizations within the artificial universe are actively manipulating the underlying source code and threatening to bring the whole house of cards tumbling down. How does he respond? Remember that these are beings who achieved more in their universe than their creators (humanity prime) achieved in theirs. From Luther's perspective, self-aware beings with the capacity to both perceive and govern the reality of their universe can only be a threat. This SHOULD have been the big reveal of Star Ocean 3. The whole thing was just badly executed on a narrative level.
Ironically, the game's ending actually makes sense if you look at it as the creations surpassing their creators. The fact that Fayt and company could take physical form in a universe completely separate from their own is a hint that the Eternal Sphere denizens had already surpassed their creators. Luther did not succeed in deleting the Eternal Sphere because it had already evolved beyond his capacity to do so.
Nice fan fiction. And I mean that sincerely
@@ff789n10 Thank you.
I always felt like it worked because of something called Hegel’s “End of History”
In it, the proverbial “Progress of History” has ended and the Utopia is achieved in which death/ sadness/ pain/ etc. is stamped out and Mankind has become one.
But if you actually talk to the NPCs in Arkives, Gemmity, and Sphere 211… The End of History ended up just being a big boring silent suffering of the population. This is why only people who can MEANINGFULLY CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR SOCIETY work for a living within Theme Parks/ the Sphere 211 Game Studio/ Security or Police/ etc. essential positions…but everyone else just plays video games or goes to theme parks while never feeling fulfillment.
While I agree that it was executed poorly in the narrative, when you look at the “Meta” Narrative…it was a HUGE BALLSY F-U to the very company that they were attempting a merge with at the time (Squaresoft) since it was originally published by Enix in JP.
I believe that they meant this whole “4D Space” section to be a look at how things go once there’s nothing left to strive for and what kinds of people will willingly do nothing for themselves yet look for escapism stoop down to; how society in a Post-FTL Travel/Universe Mapping looks versus the colorful & cheerful world of Eternal Sphere…where conflict regularly occurs and you can be anyone else.
Plus, I was always under the impression that Symbology was something that exists in 4D Space and the Source Code itself was made using Symbology itself. That would explain a lot of things including how they even achieved fully-universal AGIs being able to meet them IN PERSON.
"Mom, mom! Did you call security? Aweh mom, why can't you mind your own business!"
There has never been a more appropriate thumbnail.
I saw the title and it just brought back memories. So many memories. Which is something considering I haven't played this game in more than 10 years.
P.S. Digital Devil Saga did it better.
i feel the same lol... high ficve... and in Xenosaga had a little similar thing too ( and better ) but the thuth is in DDS at least differtent cuz in that there are much more Buddhist thoughts like: what creative power the thought / imagination has :)
It's not a game
I'm not a robot
AI challenging you
I guess you could say that you'd *never see it coming*
it was on this day, the legend of Rabbit 4 was born....may his luck guide you Omega
My problem with the twist is that it affects the entire series, now any cool space opera mystery any of the other games had can just be hand waved as "lol debug codes it's a video game" now
But at the same time, it gives some things neat twist like basically also confirmed than Welch is just some gamer who hops around games to just fool around
Hope Star Ocean 6 continues where this left off
@@nicogalax it would be nice but I wouldn't count on it. 4 didn't, and 5 didn't. So why would that change now?
@@Sephivoiceactor dunno, SO6 takes place before 5 and 3 so I doubt it will happen but u never know
@@nicogalax oh it does? Is there a place I can look that up? The trailer seemed vague and Wikipedia says nothing
This begs the question: is there an Eternal Sphere analogue inside the Eternal Sphere? How deep can this rabbit hole go?
I heard the UP3 didn't die in the Eternal Sphere thats inside the Eternal Sphere thats inside the Eter-*shot*
@@omegaevolution Mah gawd. You're right!
Having a 5 year old Robert Leingod witness a simulation of "2D-space" gone wrong could be an interesting way to setup a SO3 prequel.
In Star Ocean 7 or 8 they'll probably reveal that 4D space is actually a simulation for 5D beings. And those 5D beings? They're in a simulation for 6D beings!
If you've read any Lovecraft, you'll realize it can go pretty damn deep.
If you die in the game you die in real life.
>tfw Star Ocean was secretly PSO2 the entire time
That would've been a fucking Head Twister.
the guy who wrote Episode 4 must love this game
Simulation within simulation awaits you Fayt
Fayt: "So we were in a game all long, we are programs?"
32:38 Cliff being on point as usual
This is so meta my brain is starting to hurt.....
This is like that South Park episode where Earth is just reality television
😂😂😂
Well...at least that explains the ridiculous names, clothes and hairstyles.
And how (almost) every alien race looked "human".
16:16 At this moment, the fans bursted out a huge SIGH...
Yeah I know how you feel? A precursor is behind it oh well she survived the forerunner
Ssssshhhhhhhh
One thing I did like about this game is that it explains why "Symbology" is a thing. Magic users are basically hacking the game. The symbology is machine code.
That first 4D fight made me question wtf the devs were thinking when they thought that was okay lmao.
They were tryna be funny
I admit I was laughing my ass off when I saw this twist.
I was cracking up when I was younger at this part🤣🤣
This is *EXACTLY* what turned me off on the second half of the story back in the old PS2 era.
I was so pumped up that we had angered the gods and they sent an executioner to erase life in the universe, and so the team embarked on a journey to enter the gates to the realm of gods in their desperate attempt to save all life and existence.
Upon arriving in the said realm, guess what made me fell off my seat after grueling countless hours of free grinding and dedicated gameplay, only to find out we're just game data?? Not to mention we get to meet the developers in physical form! Not even dot.Hack: GU went that far. It's almost like a kiddy-grade plot for a Digimon series.
But nuff said, that didn't stop me from playing and 100% the trophies and its content unlocked from it. The gameplay back on its days are addicting, but that plot twist...ugh!! That made me see all the games I've played from SO1 and SO2 seems like a joke of struggle and survival because of that insane turn of events.
I know right. Everytime I try to go back to the other 4 games it makes me say what's the dam point they are all just a Computer Simulation anyways.
@@soppybottomboys1195 Exactly!! 😆
When digital devil saga did the simulation shit better.
My question is, what's the difference? Whether they are simply part of a simulation, or an actual universe made by gods, there is basically no difference. The fact that a simulation can simply be turned off isn't unique either. Gods that can create universes can probably destory them too. Destruction is easier than creation after all.
Personally, I always liked the plot twist. It's basically correlated with my belief that it's impossible to know if we are all simply a simulation and gods are the developers.
@@meka6626damn that series should did😂
As Captain Picard once said:
"Why the hell Star Ocean 3 plot story have a plot twist like this that isn't like The Matrix?!"
A "reverse" Matrix, at that.
Plot twist, we are in the same scenario...
can someone unplug me
:(
No we're not. You're a real person living in a real world. God created us and sent messengers to guide us. There's afterlife and there's accountability. There's Hell and there's Paradise. May Allah bless and guide you.
@@MaskedGuyCh Religion is a all farce created by the powers behind the scenes to control humanity, wake up
I can assure you that this universe is very real
And here's the _infamous_ twist.
You know, for all that's said and done...this could've had potential (if it was done right).
Like say, making 4D Space an eldritch location with ancient eldritch gods/creatures who treated the Eternal Sphere as a "game" (akin to an MMO), rather than what we had here.
But I guess it was inevitable, with Star Ocean (and most JP games) having such a hard-on for young human-looking characters and the like.
elinfini I just think this twist fucked up the potential for a sequel. Where the hell do you even go from here?
@@devilmandiavolo2876
Nowhere but backwards, apparently (see: SO4 and SO5).
The twist, as is, works at a concept level.
Its the execution that is poor.
I think the twist is brilliant and it's refreshing compared to other game twists imo. But eh, that's subjectivity for ya.
@@music79075 no it doesn't, even conceptually
A plot twist so goddamn wild Star Ocean 4 had to create an out for fucking EVERYONE.
What did star ocean 4 do
@@AmonsRealm Introduced parallel universes.
@@FiveFingerOutfit SO3 introduced it with this plot twist lol
@@FiveFingerOutfit holy cow, I dont remember that
@@FiveFingerOutfitI don’t remember that
YOU HAVE GOT TO KIDDING ME WHAT WERE THEY THINKING??? 😂😂😂
When an author writes his story in way that damns every follow up and makes it impossible for the series to continue.
Anyone who plays any star ocean after seeing this twist can never look at the series the same way.
There has only been one game to do it better in my opinion and it was controversial as well.
Not only every follow up, but also damns every entry that came before it.
It literally damned _everything_ related to it (past, present and future).
To be fair, that's why this is the last game in the timeline
This twist is probably 4 introduced parallel universes, while not explicitly said, there is just enough wiggle room to pretend this entry is off in its own little universe. Just.
What game do you think did it better?
They starting to running out of ideas to set games before star ocean 3.
10:35 I like the Militant DudeBro, lol.
Honestly, this games goes from what could have been just a space opera with fantasy elements, only to end up with some meta shit.
But I won't lie, it made me laugh lol
And the game is much more life-changing and introspective for that. Good going on the writing ingenuity from the developers.
@@Spontamar you're a fucking idiot
@@Spontamar Is it tho? If so do name me the life changing or introspective heavy hitting moments from the game so I can relate, as I feel like I have blended out alot of this game in hindsight due to this twist here.
The thumbnail for this video is perfect I felt the same way when I got to that point of the game😎
Therapist: "Can you think back to what might have caused your existential crisis?"
me: 16:00
2020: Im Manifesting.
Sophia: I manifested before it was cool
Vlad's mom activated her Karen mode and called security lol 😆
Tch, you really had to go there for a game that's like 2 decades old huh?
You're inside a simulation, of a simulation, within a simulation, of a simulation inside The Matrix, inside a taco, inside a taco, within a Taco Bell that's inside a KFC, within a mall, that's inside your brain; which is inside a giant simulation! Oh man, that's deep.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! You're inside a simulation; inside a giant gaping ****** WITHIN a pineapple under a pineapple under a pineapple, inside this photograph, within a child's plaything inside a simulation, inside a simulation (LAYERS!) inside a simulation, inside a simulation!
Now that I’m older I realize how bad the dialogue really is
Say that to peeps who started with 3 and have their nostalgia goggles on too tightly.
Well tons 90s to early 20s game suffers from bad dialogue so yea. Its jist not a thing back then
How is the dialogue bad though? Apart from a few lines it's pretty well-written, especially for 2003.
This game was notable for a having a pretty poor localization, but the redeeming aspect there is how lovingly they translated the Dictionary + Notes scattered throughout the game.
However, they didn’t even properly explain Fayt’s “Destruction Gene” and how it quite literally makes everyone in his vicinity unable to be fazed by the hopping of dimensions (and allows them to stay leveled up + use their abilities/symbols in 4D Space). Had they done a better job at explaining the mechanics of the “plot twist”, people would’ve been a lot nicer to it and got what they were going for. After having played this since it came out and studied the game’s story/lore + even the game’s mechanics, I can assure you that a lot of foreshadowing and subtle hints towards said Plot Twist were present even from when the game begins in the hotel 🤷🏽♂️
Between the "twist" the absolute terrible audio balance and the awkward pauses in dialogue I should honestly hate this game.
But I keep coming back for some reason. Whether it's the charm of the characters or depth of the battle system idk but this game will always be one of my faves
same. every few years I drop 100+ hours on the damn game.
It's funny that you could see that they had a bit of The Matrix influence on both this game and Advent Children.
Unfortunately it's also what made them so infamous to their respective fan base too.
AC was loud, dumb, and obnoxious but it didn't do as much damage to FFVII as this piece of shit did to the entire SO franchise
@@557deadpool what damage lol
@@nicogalax SO3 basically invalidates everything that came before since none of it fucking mattered and all tension is lost.
and AC just straight up damages the legacy of FFVII by adding a bunch of unnecessary bullshit and ruining several characters in the process.
I still say this could have been amusing if one of your party members has a PC controlled by on of the 4D folks would have been fun for the reaction alone.
"Wait, you guys didn't know!?"
Welch..
this brings back my childhood memories... i remember this clearly because even as a kid i know it doesnt make sense 😂
😕I'm...................................
............old ....
I couldn’t even make it this far cause I’m game kept crashing as a kid lol
The Horror! The Horror!
REST IN PEACE
The plot twist was the worst part of SO3 and made me absolutely hate the entire game. I didn't even want to play it any more, but I pushed myself to finish it. It's terrible.
20:48 computer simulations turn into target practice lmao
And after this game I could never bring myself to play a Star Ocean game again. Meanwhile, Flad brought a bunch of cosplay fanatics home.
I always liked that the in-game database hinted that the Milky Way survivors were going to make a final stand at Lezonia. Kind of poetic.
Oh also that the whole thing becomes Tri-Ace mocking Squaresoft. That always amuses me.
How is it poetic?
@@music79075 Because Star Ocean 1 opened with a war between Earth and Lezonia. After SO2, Earth used the Nedian tech Claude brought back to make it's previous importance as a wormhole nexus obsolete. Now at the end of the universe all the survivors from Earth (and the other worlds) are going to make their last stand there making the planet important again, this time as a hero instead of a villain. It kind of brings things in the SO universe full circle.
Except they fucked up because as shitty as Square is, they're not stupid enough to allow this shit
@@specialnewb9821 Yeah but we didn't see it though, and I missed those databases so just thought everywhere was destroyed and in the end the survivors made some kind of new world. It was so unclear.
Bro I remember this game was so awsome and it was just before I played final fantasy x lol
They couldn've made it work if they made all the citizens of the 4D space gods instead of just people watching an MMO story. It brings the whole "you made us but we have sentience and free will" trope a lot better.
Nah, it actually makes sense why they did it this way, heck, I even thought that this very universe was created by advanced humans
I think that'd be what everyone would do for a story, so this spin makes it more interesting
Who says the space gods that created 4D space dont also exist? They could be saving it for a future Star Ocean game, hell maybe it pops up in SO 6 this month
Why are we here just to suffer...
...Yarp. 🤣🤣🤣
As much I like Star ocean 3 this plot twist was done in a pretty shitty way.
This is a illusion open up you console and see...
Wait. They are in the real world and Symbology is just them manipulating the source code of their simulation. How are they using their powers OUTSIDE THE SIMULATION!?
It gives more to the idea that our universe could just be...some guys creation. we dont know.
Thought, even still, theres zero evidence to even prove that.
@titan-1802 More evidence supports an intelligent designer. Logic states if there's an infinite number of universes, There will be one with the creator of it allwith power over all. At somoe point this being WILL be made by this logic. Infinite is infinite and an infinite number of universes with an infinite number of outcomes will one day breed a god and a devil. Your point is moot there. Another logic statement says either nothing happens when you die or something happens. You cease to exist or continue to exist. If you dont, then you have nothing to worry about as nothing matters in the end. If you do continue to exist, There will be some guy in charge because an infinite number of universes means this WILL hppen. NEXT VICTIM!!!!
@@scottlincoln9900 Ok? and is there even any proof of some non-existent god?
@@titan-1802 not really. Its the logic dude. Immagine a question posed by a croc. He snags your kid and tells you he will give him back if you can tell him what he will do. If you get it wrong, the croc eats him. You say, you will not bring my son back. The croc has a paradox now...if he does bring him back, he will have to eat him...but that in turn means he wont bring him back. And thus the croc is now backed into a logic corner. No matter what he does, he will have to return the son alive...in the end, you exist after death or you dont. If you dont...you don't need to worry about being wrong...if you are wrong, youre screwed. Might as well believe in the physical dude who died to premote an idea....Jesus is the freedom from religion.
Best thumbnail to describe a badly done cliche.
They're literally a video game INSIDE of a video game.
How deep does it go?
Reality is always deep and the multiverse is humongous.
And yet they can still Use Symbology outside the Video game even though it's manipulating the Source code of the game.
Bruh I just realized that Wittmore is supposed to be Peppita’s dad
This is why I took the red pill
Amen
I was so confused when they kept making sequels, I actually bought one and was confused that it was space flight again.
4: the last hope takes place before all the games, and 5: integrity and faithlessness is not long before this one here. That's how, basically. If it doesn't take place after this game- they don't gotta figure out what to do about it.
@@Sephivoiceactor so they wrote themselves into a corner pretty much
@@Capothekid yep and 6th one was recently announced. I wonder when it'll take place.
@@Sephivoiceactor It just came out last week I believe. Apparently despite some obvious flaws its a great entry. I heard it takes place just before 3.
@@Capothekid so it must be after 5 and before 3. Huh. Talk about being a tight squeeze lol
When this plot twist happened, I was like "Eff it... Not gonna play it anymore" This was just poor writing
Iv seen this rick and morty episode before
The worst twist ever. This makes previous games story irrelevant. Especially story of Star ocean 2 and whole thing revolving energy nede and Ten wise man. Things which they can't explain they throw it to magic and they also don't explain many aspects regarding this scenario properly.
I hate it too, but looking back there were tiny hints in Star Ocean 2. I forget what the bigger one was.. but what did stick with me, even before playing this game, was Gabriel starting the last battle telling us "I'm erasing you.." Not killing, not destroying, erasing, just like the executioners do in this game.
I finally see how they implemented the infamous plot twist, and it's lame as hell
This is the worst thing ever.
The plot twist got me to skip every cutscene after that. I got to the final boss, lost a battle for the first time, considered trying again, and then deleted my save file because there were no fucks to give.
This is real hatred