To reiterate what Reilly said, to automatically ASSUME that these guys are telling the 100% truth is "some of the most shallow... Closed-minded thinking I've ever heard of on my life."
Ghost Note So is looking into they're backgrounds and determining any reason as to why they may not being truthful. The man they're accusing is dead, and no longer able to defend himself. Taking accusations at immediate face value is dangerous. Just look at Jussie Smollett.
@@wut-dah_7212 Sure, but is that what you're seeing? People acting in good faith, looking into things in order to get to the truth? Or more like people latching onto and twisting anything they possibly can to support the narrative they've been following for decades? There are some of the former, but I see mostly the latter. And it seems like the only reason for these allegations that the pro-Jackson side can come up with is money. The same thing said about every Jackson accuser, and everyone that's accused a rich person of anything, ever. Saying they're doing it for the money, absent anything else, isn't compelling. Their stories were compelling. And to those who have experience dealing with the system, and victims of sexual abuse, they were entirely believable.
Just because Michael didn’t touch Corey means absolutely nothing. Believe what you want but that’s literally means nothing. Serial killers and rapists can have children, be married and have close relationships with people who never expected them to be killers. I’m not saying I believe or not but that’s just not a good enough point for people to keep bringing up.
Funny how? Michael Jackson didn't rape every boy he came in contact with so that means he didn't rape any boy he came in contact with? You believe in a "prevalence" of abuse in Hollywood, but you dismiss the chance that Hollywood-obsessed Michael Jackson could've been an abuser? Because it has exactly what to do with you? So damned dumb.
and that's very dangerous. I wonder if Macuga felt the same way about Ben Roethlisberger and his allegations as well as Stormy Daniels statement about Ben.
Jacob Price Yea the way they are believing everything without questioning a thing is troubling. And this is coming from someone that thinks MJ probably did it, but I know there's a chance that the facts are at least blurry. "Thinking" he did it is different from "KNOWING" he did it.
@@Ares-yt8yl base on your logic, we should no longer have courts and trials and do investigations? But release a doc instead? A doc should determine if a person is innocent or guilty? I'm just using your logic.
D I agree they did no research or watched any other videos so they should not talk about it at all they didn’t even know whether macaulay culkin stayed the night or not
The public at large are so easily brainwashed by the media. Just because somebody says something doesn't mean it's true. How do ignorant people like this woman get on the radio? What makes her special because she seems so ordinary to me?
Just because michael had gay pornography and hang out around cute young white boys Only doesnt mean you have brain to add things and say MJ was super weird and should not be allowed near children pedhoo enabler
@@jothegreek actually, Jackson didn't even had gay pornography - it was all heterosexual stuff. The list of all the stuff they found is on the FBI website. The "gay stuff" were actually art photography books - and I know more than one pretentious, turtleneck-wearing prick that owns stuff like that. And they are straight as a freeway - actually, the whole intellectual angle is something they put on in order to impress ladies and get laid.
Not only are they appealing their demand for MILLIONS from the Michael Jackson Estate (which they hope this "documentary" will. help them win on appeal) they will also get a percentage everytime this documentary airs. And they are getting paid and will in the future for every interview they do.
@@carolinechaney3287 A judge looked at all the evidence, and said neither witness was credible, at least twice. The documentary is about stirring up public sympathy, in hopes of cashing on their hard luck, "I'm a failure, because I was traumatized", story. Both men blamed Michael Jackson for being failures. Robson blamed him for telling him he would be the next Spielberg. And he admitted he felt like an utter failure because he couldn't live up to those expectations. And Safechuck, blamed Michael because he told him and his parents to pursue a different career path, than the one he actually planned on pursuing. Court documents show that both men changed their stories on numerous occasions, told conflicting stories, and both are in financial binds. If it's not about money, why does the documentary dance around the fact that they have been suing his estate for millions?
If you feel you have to watch Leaving Neverland then you have to watch the Bryan Singer doc "An open secret". Don't cherry pick who you want to cancel.
Honestly, I think if you haven't actually looked into this situation & seen all of the counter evidence against the claims in this documentary, I think you're not doing your deed as someone who's even remotely interested in these ongoing claims. There's a lot of logical realizations & facts against the people in this documentary that proves it's a hit piece made just for getting money from the Jackson estate to shut them up. I'm sorry, but believing this is stupid.
Based on what? Hanging out with kids & their families & the tabloids having this prevailing bullshit about his interactions with them despite many of the kids swearing nothing actually happened? You should REALLY look into the actual facts of the matter rather than just go on hearsay.
@@SobekLOTFC I have no sympathy towards stupid parents who leave their kids with strangers and then cry about it in npc mainstream media.also the kid lied in court to defend MJ.and now after he died he comes forward for attention....
will graham Interesting to see how people have the mindset of guilty before innocence as opposed to the opposite. Also, the world is conformed to believe the worst in people without doing their research and making a informed conclusion. We are indeed living in a fallen world, how sad ☹️
You really don't question a grown man sleeping in the same bed with children? You really think that behavior is appropriate? We indeed live in a fallen world, people defending someone just for being famous. How sad ☹️
Ur right, every comment i make on social media that i dont know to be fact, i write a disclaimer of sorts or a comment to say if i am wrong i apologise, always.... Roxy and the rest are live on youtube watched by a lot of people worldwide, I live in Ireland and i watch...and nothing like a disclaimer here...are opinions now fact?.....just cause Trump doesn't use Facts, doesnt mean others shouldn't either....they could be sued right now and no leg to stand on...i hope not though...they should really have rules of conduct on Collider.....
I know the facts and still think he did it he was one of the most powerful men in the world. We live in a world we’re bill Cosby got away with raping woman for how many years? Is this so hard to believe?
ragemonkey117 Not an extensive FBI search. Local police search and investigation supported by the FBI. Meaning local police did everything and sent some materials to the FBI for examination
It's crazy how so many fans still try to act like he didn't do shit to kids, they need a reality check, sharing your bed with children is strange, if you had common sense that would start ringing alarm bells in your head, these guys stories are so detailed and it's so obvious how this has destroyed there family it's so sad to see, and I just want to say well done to these guys for coming out, it would've been so scary for them.
Paul Rizzo just like their alleged allegations of being 'groomed'..thats exactly what the 'docu' did. it groomed us and deliberately made it like a porn so you feel ill and upset. i saw the nephew talking about how he told mj he was sexually assaulted by one of their uncles and mj wrote him a letter telling him that is not ok and to get help ..also he said mj wrote a song never released about child abuse...i dunno...and those letters i' went online and saw so many of those letters he sent to alot of people. but again, look how fast everyone 'believed smollet...and didnt belive the Covington kids.
Paul Rizzo let me ask you something , would you as an individual ..I don’t know how old you are .. but if you are an adult , would you ever , ever ask a child let alone a child you just met to sleep over and sleep in your bed, for fun??? You probably wouldn’t , why.. because it’s inappropriate. Yet All these people around Michael who were hired by Michael let this occur , FOR YEARS!!!! I don’t care if those men are lying or telling the truth in the doc , by MJ as a grown adult male even asking a 7-10 year old boy to sleep over and sleep in his bed is cause for Major Concern!! He should of NEVER been allowed to EVER be able to do that , I blame the parents and of course MJ !! That alone is flat out wrong .. and you should never ignore that !! So people need to stop acting as if MJ never ever did anything wrong .. he put himself in these situations so no I don’t feel a bit sorry for the man !!!
@@raidermambax3551 He did it because he was trying to relive the childhood he never had. He even wrote a letter to Robson's mother asking her to not make Wade work so much, to let him enjoy his childhood. He constantly looked out for the mental welfare of the kids he was friends with. Try reading some transcripts too, you'll notice there was usually other kids there or if there wasn't he would sleep on the floor. Quit reading fucking headlines and do some fucking research, a majority of the documents are online.
ɴ̅I̅ ̅ ̅ s̅ı̅Ͻ̅ Lmao wow !! Ok well than he is innocent because he wrote a letter to Wades moms asking her to not make Wade work so much! Come on what the hell!! That doesn’t at all mean he didn’t molest Wade Robson lol.. and than you said multiple kids were in MJs room .. well where were all the Fucking Adults!! It does NOT make it any better that multiple kids were sleeping in his room even if he was “sleeping on the floor”.. which ok there you go doesn’t prove that he didn’t do something In private with those kids, the problem is MJ kept putting himself in a situation where he CAN be accused of molestation And wrong doing. After being accused the first time WTF DIDN’T HE STOP HAVING CHILDREN SLEEP OVER HIS HOUSE!!.. Why did he NEED to continue doing that , that’s the question you should ask yourself, in life if you are doing something that all it does is causes you problems wouldn’t you stop that , unless he couldn’t stop , hmm why couldn’t he stop?? Well maybe because he was a sick man that needed to have little boys sleep over in his house that to me right there are RED FLAGS going off left and right. I’m not saying MJ didn’t care for these kids, I truly think he loved them that’s why it was so easy for him to manipulate them, it came from a real place , the problem was he also liked them sexually, he can care for people and still do awful things that’s how a predator hides in plain sight , and that’s why these children had difficulty speaking up because they truly loved and admired Michael so there little brains could not accept that he was doing awful things to them, that’s how molestation occurs and they say it’s usually by someone you look up to and admire.
I lvoe how "one sided" is somehow a criterion. If it is true it's true, if they lie, its a lie. Neither is "one sided". "On sided" is just an excuse for people not to face a potential very dark reality.
It's amazing and sad that a 4 hour so-called documentary bears more weight to people than an FBI/Police investigation and trial that ended in acquittal. Fair weather fans.
You are ignoring the fact that the documentary is based on two people who defended MJ in that trial and are now saying yes in fact he did abuse them. So don’t pretend like it’s case closed when it clearly isn’t.
@Doom Doom Wade lied under oath. He can use all the excuses he wants, but he had plenty of chances to ask for help and put Michael away. Example: his brother is a police officer, and he never went to him for help/protection. The whole thing stinks. Especially when all the accusers never fought for a criminal case but instead a civil case "money"
Lying under Oath is nothing. People will say anything to not get caught. And you can catch anybody lying under oath over anything and the person is toast.
Another thing to consider about Mac - he's the godfather of Jackson's daughter or all 3 kids - this could also affect his decision about telling the truth (if in fact he was abused).
Very often abused children cannot both psychological and emotional, talk about their abuse until the person has gone. It's actually more likely to come out after that person has died
IDK! This seems little too much like a slam dunk. Especially, since the accused is dead. He can't even defend himself against the accusations. I'm open minded, but either way can be true. He could be guilty...but he also could be innocent of these accusations.
what's he gonna say 'no I didn't'... whats all this 'he not alive to defend himself'... people alive all the time to do that... still up to a jury... he was already alive to defend himself TWICE
Agreed, people need to be more open minded on this. Forget all the accusations, Michael was a grown man that had a fascination with being around children all the time...that in itself is a little strange. I’m not saying he did it, but for people to be acting SHOCKED and like there is no way this is even possible is laughable. I find it ironic that when Abducted in Plain Sight came out everyone and their mom were looking at those parents appalled like how could you miss all those red flags, plus they had the man sleeping in the same bed as their daughter...but MJ comes out of his mouth saying he doesn’t see a problem with sleeping in the same bed as a child and some fans are still blinded to the fact that he could’ve been capable of this. Idk I’m on the fence like you and I do have conflicting feelings about this being made after he’s passed when he still has immediate family members alive but it’s not blasphemous for this to be true if you just look at how Michael was as a man. Any normal grown man wanting to hang out with kids that often would be a red flag to most but because he’s Michael Jackson people don’t think it’s odd. Like the mental gymnastics some people are doing is CRAZY.
lets talk about how they had conflicting reports of the abuse, lets talk about him dating brandi micheals niece at the time of the so called abuse, lets talk about him 25 an adult still defend him, and his own mother denying this claims, than changed it lets talk about him dancing with latoya jackson for memorial concert for micheal. so why now why not in 2005 why not in 2009 but in 2013 and thrown out, but because of metoo and the sheep that you re believe the victim never the accused
yea, so all of that is addressed in the documentary. if u cant understand the confusing feelings of loving an abuser, then talk to your own family and friends about their experiences. i bet someone you know has been through the trauma of loving an abuser. how many times do domestic violence victims NOT press charges because they dont want to see the other person go to jail/be hurt because they still love them??? also, funny u mention latoya, cause latoya was actually the only honest one in the family. back in the 80s she decided to tell the truth about joe jackson sexually abusing her and her sister rebbie. she also talked about michael being a child abuser in multiple interviews. the entire jackson clan shunned her for telling the truth. she eventualy walked back her statements, probably cause it was too lonely out ther eon her own, with her entire family slandering her in the press. but go ahead and youtube those videos of her. she says it all. and this was back in the 80s before the first accuser ever came forward.
Lol I believe them too...but that means absolutely nothing in terms of if MJ did this or not...why are people thinking just cuz two FAMOUS kids at the time weren’t touched by him means he 100% did nothing.
What I find funny is that a lot the questions people are bringing up are ACTUALLY in the documentary. The raiding of the ranch. It's there. The boy defending Michael in 2003. There. The same guy writing a tribute to Michael after his death. There. I watched this documentary. While it only interviews one side, it definitely brings up things consistently from the other side. The doc makes a very compelling argument though. That's all there is to it. Keep speaking your mind, crew. Love the show.
Modern Day Masterpiece bullshit. Where was Cory Feldman’s interview? Where was Macaulay Culkin’s interview? There are plenty of interviews they didn’t get. There were plenty of sides they didn’t cover. They wanted to destroy his character with a couple people’s testimonies that had no facts, just stories. Anybody can tell a fuckin story.
Where's the story about Wade dating Michael's niece,not only that but cheating on her with britney spears. Not only that but dating Mayte Garcia(but he wasn't supposed to like women at this time? ) Okay...
If they were molested and violated, they would never want to be near him again. But they both kept coming around him. Even if the were scared to say something, they wouldn't want to be around him. Wade hung around for him for years, even spoke at his funeral.
They are also describing abuse and molestation. Maybe we should look at this documentary as a warning for future generations of youngsters wanting to break into the industry with the help of a famous industry figure.
@@raidermambax3551 No, Hollywood destroyed MJ. Child trafficking and sexual abuse is big in Hollywood. MJ is just a small fish and was once part of the elite. The big fish are getting away. Michael Jackson did not have a childhood. He was a child star and I won't be surprised if he was sexually abused when he was younger. Either by his father or others in the entertainment industry. R. Kelly was sexually abused when he was young and liked it. Sexual abuse is a cycle.
@@JonathanMutsinzi1998 MJ only fancied and fell in LOVE with a few of his fans and made them his boyfriends and slept with them regularly, even in hotel rooms. Took them on tours and kinda dated them. Jimmy didn't love the kids he abused nor did Cosby they just wanted to molest them and not have relationships. MJ dated his boys and was in love with them for long periods until they got too old and he stopped fancying them and he ditched them. He then got the next boy he fancied and repeated the cycle. When you watch MJ walking around with his boys and look at his face he looks like a man in love and treats those boys like girlfriends. Super f@@king weird.
@@DarrickDraper trust me I've seen abuse head up and I call bull shit, there is no I support this man who abused me, any kid at that age would only see a monster. Also do your reserch on these guys they been suspect for years.
@@matthewlandis1034 no I used to get locked in a closet while my mom got beat on so I have somewhat of a perspective of what abuse looks like and they look more like actors because if that was me there would be nothing but hate and disgust for that person.
daryl thompson comparing the abuse you are talking about and the sexual abuse they are talking about is different. These children were molested by a societal god. It is amazing what people do for “gods”, no matter what they do to you.
@@matthewlandis1034 I'm sorry I just disagree there is past and clear evidence that they just want cash I actually grow up with this case when it was going on so it's nothing new, just brought back up to take advantage of the times in my opinion, but believe what you want I've done my research on this case and to me it's all bull shit and a con and it kills me that people are acting like it's a new case wich it's not, the man had his day in court and now because of a subjective non factual documentary, we're supposed believe some shit that was disproven and shut down years ago, nope I'm good.
It's a degradation of our society, when anyone without proof can accuse a famous person. I've seen this documentary and I think You of all people should know that movies can manipulate your emotions. Those detailed descriptions just an instrument. We can't be 100% sure that MJ was guilty or not. But to accuse him and bann his legacy and 50 years of hard work based on this documentary is STUPID!
tiki freaky I know right! Might as well forget about slavery since all those people that participated are dead now. Logic requires reasoning and of course not being a dumbass.
tiki freaky Hitler's war crimes are historical FACTS with millions of eyewitnesses , documents and video evidence. All we have now against MJ is "documentary", that tells a very one-sided story , treating words of two biased families as facts, with no photographic or video evidence of actual sexual abuse . There are only words !
tiki freaky And what about presumption of innocence? If you can accuse MJ based on this movie , I can make a movie about me and Macuga or Harloff abusing me as a child , while I was on SDCC. Show photos, autographs etc. hell anyone nowadays can do it. Go to Oprah, cry on television with no real evidence. I'm not against talking about crimes that were made by dead celebrities , but if you want me to agree with Simpsons deleting MJ's episode or radio stations banning his music , you need more than words in a graphic documentary.
They aren’t kids. They are grown as men!!! Wade testified as a grown ass man! Period!!!!! I’m never going to stop listening to Michael Jackson PERIOD!!!!!!!
Okay so I'm a new subscriber so I don't really know anyone on the podcast but that guy keeps interrupting everyone and screaming into the mic and it's really getting on my nerves. Is he always like this?
Lol..you can forget that...just based off this non researching a## crew. I mean the FBi have been following dude and they found nothing and he went court found not guilty, plus Collider watch some of the research vids from MJ nephew. Smh...wow Collider...watch y'all from the AMC days...I'm shouldn't even be surprise...I'm just hoping that Schnape didn't have this mentality..I wouldn't want to believe that birds if a feather flock together...smh....just a stupidity on my part.
Ppl keep saying that they never found anything when they investigated him, or raided his house... If he is guilty for being that level of a predator, he knew how to cover his tracks, pay ppl off, not to mention the fact that many of his accusers besides the 2 in the doc. Have said that Michael had a team of ppl that covered stuff up for him and KNEW about what was happening! The details in the doc. Were so heartbreaking to hear and I just dont know why they would come out now to have all of the hate and death threats to them and their family and have to deal with this forever. Money isnt enough to blow up yours and your family's entire life forever imo of course.
It’s also obvious not a lot of people commenting know or understand the psyche and aftermath of a sexual predator victim. It can take people decades to come to grips with this.
I can’t accept that I’m sorry. It takes you decades to come to grips but when you finally speak out, it only takes a matter of seconds for influencers in the general public to turn on your alleged abuser ? Each time one of these stories come out, the media never questions it and just runs with it. These folks put in DECADES of hard work to reach the heights they’ve reached in their careers and it could be taken away in a matter of seconds. Victims have more power than they could ever know now if they just speak up right out of the gate.
I Said What I Said I hope you never have to go through it to understand it but no one can change your mind. Maybe celebrity had an undue influence on you maybe not, either way hope you are well.
It is very very disturbing. That two guys who have a history of lying and perjuring themselves can make a documentary full of trash and people will actually believe it. Now we can just destroy Michael Jackson's legacy because we are stupid enough to believe these two liars? Really really wonderful. @@rhideflory
ann landers Exactly ! Like why go to court anymore ? Let’s just make a documentary that is completely one sided and put it out there in the general public because in the court of public opinion, you are ALWAYS guilty in the court of public opinion. You’ll think people would learn from the Jussie hoax attack last month 🙄
ann landers well if we’re gonna get derogatory I think anyone who doesn’t find it weird that a 30 year old man liked hanging out with boys from ages 7-13 is a moron and I feel sorry for their children. Celebrity warps the thinking of weak minded people; which seems appropriate in your case. Oh but what about Michael’s legacy? Give me a fucking a break. Bet you guys think OJ is innocent too.
I already knew Macuga and Roxy weren't too bright but they took it to a whole new level talking about this documentary. I expected better from Reilly and lost a lot of respect for him too. I won't even watch Collider Live anymore if Roxy and Macuga are on. I couldn't stand Roxy from the start and thought they should have gotten rid of her a long time ago but they keep her on for some reason. I just don't want to see or listen to these two, I can't handle their stupidity anymore.
I understand where everybody's coming from on this topic, but I disagree with Roxie about putting your head in the sand if you're not watching. I believed the kids that accused him years ago when they first spoke up, and with what everyone's been saying about this documentary it just reinforces what I thought all along.
@2233Brenda by the way you're the one being racist with your stupid assumption. the fact you're exactly the type of garbage they talk about in this video who are just attacking people who believe the victims.
@@giannacrotty8045 Didnt say it was or wasnt. I have seen people make a lot of documentaries n accusations that sounds so convincing when it had no truth. Looking at the documentary, I see a lot of attempt to instigate sadness into the viewers. I didnt see anything that should make people rush to conclude he his guilty or innocent. What i know is this. Its better for a guilty man to be spared than for an innocent man to be wrongfully charged. Unless there is a compelling evidence i regard him as innocent
Nathan Fuller u did your research then? Please provide receipts? Where r u getting tht information? A TH-cam video, don’t parrot opinions and pretend like you’ve done work to get there. You’re a sheep, think For yourself.
Imagine going to court and the prosecutor put on a 4-hour display of disgusting salacious charges against you. Then the jury was dismissed to deliberate with you NOT given a chance to put on your defense case. Of course, you will be found guilty. That's what happened in the court of public opinion to dead Michael Jackson. The easiest target in the world to accuse is the dead. Sad we live in a world so disgusting.
I am so happy to see all of Michaels fans AND none fans in the comment sections doing there research and standing up to this INJUSTICE that is happening right now to Michael Jackson's name. Research is very very important, thank you all for standing up for him. KEEP FIGHTING
@@LeonsCorner. Fact: So far, 5 people (Jordan, Gavin, Jason, Wade and James) have accused Michael Jackson of child sexu\*l abuse. Other children who also spend time with him such as Brett Barnes, Macaulay Culkin and Kieran Culkin, Cory feldman, Omer bhatti, among others, have denied it.** **Myth: “All potential victims of a sexu\*l abuser will publicly reveal that they were abused by him. If they all don't, it never happened." or “All kinds of child m\*lesters will abuse every child with whom they have contact or have any relationship."** **Clarification:** >*“It is important to interview as many potential victims as is legally and ethically possible.* *T****his is especially important in cases involving adolescent boy victims who engaged in compliant behavior, most of whom will deny their victimization no matter what the investigator does***\*.\* *Unfortunately for victims, but fortunately for the investigative corroboration, men who victimize adolescent boys in my experience are the most persistent and prolific of all child m\*lesters.* ***The small percentage of their victims who disclose still may constitute a significant number***.” \- >"*The seduction process begins when the offender finds or sees a potential victim who fits his age, gender, and other preferences. It can be in person or online. It can be a 6-year-old girl or a 14-year-old boy. Child m\*lesters, however, can and do have sex with children and sometimes with adults who may not fit their preferences. A child m\*lester may be experimenting or unable to find a child who fits his preference. Child molesters who prefer adolescent boys sometimes become involved with adolescent girls as a method of arousing or attracting the boys.* ***In addition child m\*lesters may not molest some children to whom they have access and opportunity because the children did not meet their preferences or were not vulnerable to their advances or seduction techniques."***
I have four daughters , I haven’t watched no intention of watching either , the man isn’t here to defend himself there is very little context here at all they had the opportunity to tell their story or at least one of them in court said testimony could have changed the entire case , instead I think its wade testified on Jackson’s behalf. I believed him then I had no reason not to , he changes his story and I’m supposed to believe you after you admitted that you lied ? Not saying that Jackson was/is innocent I’m. A father and the boys parents must have been aware at least on some level of the accusations surrounding Jackson and the still allowed their children around him , I would never have let that happen , and I certainly wouldn’t have left my child alone with him , I just wouldn’t have felt comfortable. The fact that both have apparently tried to sue the estate makes me somewhat skeptical , like I said I’m a father , you haven’t got enough money to buy my daughters off , no amount of money could ever compensate that kind of ordeal .
The two men should take a lie detector test to clear the confusion, and if Michael Jackson did it he's nasty and these men should get an apology for what they went through... If they lied and they should be sued for defermation of character and should be charged for false allegations... There it clears it up either way
There’s nothing to joke about when it comes to children being sexual abused and even worse when the victim wants the abuse. It’s obvious your too much of a fan to have a realistic approach to this issue. Unless you knew MJ personally then there is no reason for you to defend him. Fans don’t have the right to call people liars just because they like who is being accused.
I was hoping after everything that has happened just in the past months that we would start having conversation about how to harmonize victim rights with due process and not immediately jump to conclusions but apparently we haven't. And frankly, I give up at this point, people are going to believe what they're going to believe no matter what, and forget the fact that the presumption of innocence is an inherent human right regardless on what someone may or may not have done.
WOW, I’m now hearing MJ is asexual? I wish he was still alive so defenders could moonwalk their boy child straight on over to his bedroom. Apparently he’s ascended to GOD status and his actions with lil boys cant be questioned. MJ damn sure didn’t have any young girls on the rotation. MJ said he loved all children and adamantly said the most loving thing anyone can do is share the bed with them. Either he didn’t love lil girls or he had a preference for attractive lil boys. That’s an obvious catch 22 and won’t be acknowledged by super fans like yourself.
@@cfluff6716 So being asexual makes someone a God? I don't understand your argument here, do you think asexuality doesn't exist because I can assure you it does. Whether you believe MJ was asexual or not. Also, asking questions is one thing but making assertions is another, don't conflate the two.
michael is guilty. stop this fence-sitting and pretending to be objective when you clearly havent seen the doc. they address every one of these PR-fabricated points about money, why they lied on the stand, etc etc. the doc is bigger than michael, just as oprah said. the doc is about GROOMING. and u clearly havent seen it to write what you just wrote.
@@sydandtaytum And you clearly haven't been keeping up with news lately to know of the key details that was presented in the doc had already been debunked. Sorry, but Wade and James can give as many explanations as they want, their accusations still have to hold up to scrutiny.
The same reason why people don’t want to watch this is the same reason why it is so hard for these victims to address their problem. We don’t want to think that this is true about Michael and victims don’t want to to think that what happened to them is terrible and true. It is time for this world to be better and face the facts and find the truth yourself.
If this is the truth then, redemption, people final seeing what he has done and maybe the closest to closure they will ever get...but if its lies then yeah ur right, a lot of money to be gained from this, a lot of money...🤔
I believe the story. How their families were torn apart and the consistent allegations by several boys throughout Michael's years are too much that can be disregarded. Although, I think it was an incredibly stupid mistake for Wade to have filed that lawsuit for millions of dollars. It is natural for many people to respond to that thinking this whole story is fabricated and financially motivated. And even though they supposedly are not profiting from this documentary, it can be viewed as some type of damage control after their lawsuit was dismissed. As to Culkin's and Feldman's testimonies, those are totally irrelevant. Just because no abuse happened with them does mean it could not have happened to any of the hundreds of boys that were very close to Michael.
Those boys also came put after his death ans said they lied in fact 2 of the fathers unalived themselves and the families that accused him only went for a civil case not a criminal case 😑 🙄 they wanted money not justice
What about Robson’s relationship with Brandi Jackson which makes his story fall apart? Apparently Michael was preventing Wade from seeing anybody, but according to Brandi and Tito Jackson, Michael arranged a meeting between Wade and Brandi. Afterwards, they dated for more than 8 years.
Watch "entering neverland" after watching "leaving neverland". Also, "Michael Jackson: a case of innocence" is a good rebuttle If you are like me and don't take anything at face value and like hearing all sides before forming an opion.
I think some people as per the comments below are being completely naive in regard to abuse and the power of the Hollywood star machine back in the day and 'how the ranch was raided and 'nothing was found'. As one of the guys said in the documentary, ' we don't have megastars like that anymore' and we don't. A lot of people had a lot to loose including some very powerful figures in the entertainment business at the time. Covet ups do happen and we saw this in the UK repeatedly with various very big TV stars of the day back in the pre millennium period and how even the instructions at the time aided and abetted with the star machine. Given the comments aimed at Josh as an example, whilst the documentary was one sided I don't believe these two guys would have come forward to make 'stuff up', given the hate fuelled rhetoric seem here against Josh which will be far worse for them. They will also no doubt be on the receiving end of death threats etc Michael was an extremely talented guy and music speaks for itself. He had an extremely unusual upbringing and as I said many times in conversation about him, I cannot remember a time even when I was a little kid, that he was not famous. He was always there. All these things would have had an effect on the person he became and in many ways he was a victim also. For those attacking Josh, I seriously think you need to reflect on what you say and consider why you deemed this acceptable
I don't believe he was guilty of anything, I think he was seriously misunderstood and taken advantage of. I may not have all the facts in front of me, but who does when it comes to this sort of stuff?
Andrew Lewis Misunderstood? Really? I think everyone understood very well what he liked to do. These actions of his were not because he was some God like celebrity. They were because of his ill taste for surrounding himself with young attractive boys. He told us he loved all children and the most loving thing to do was to share his bed with them. Except the fact no lil girls ever got into the bed rotation. He either didn’t love lil girls or just had a preference for sleeping with lil boys. That’s not being MISUNDERSTOOD, that’s blatantly telling us years ago what he was into and over the years he even groomed his super fans to not even question this odd behavior. The defenders have all been brainwashed to except this sick “misunderstood” GOD.
How's 1,6 bln for something? They have been trying to sue the estate since 2013/ 2014, using the same lawyers, changing their depositions 4 -5 times...
I respect your opinion but I don't agree. The documentary is very one-sided and omitted A LOT of facts. I also made a video reviewing Leaving Neverland but I included some more research to give insight if anyone wants to check it out!
It feels like the point of Collider is to get together a group of the most ignorant, least informed people available, and have them discuss the latest news and review movies.
Just totally hit the unsubscribe button. They made their decision BEFORE they did their "do diligence" and researched the history of the 2 accusers. Keep unsubscribing and clicking the thumbs down button.
What I don’t understand is why is so many people defending him!! ..they are making excuses for him left and right .. most of these fans defending him don’t even know who this man really is!! If you were to meet someone and find out that “for fun” they hang out with kids.. we’re talking 7-10 year olds and asking their parents if they can sleep over .. and not in a guest room but in HIS room .. and in HIS bed !!.. that is more than odd !!.. what would make any ordinary adult want to have a kid.. and not a relative but a kid they just met sleep over and stay the night in their bed!! That’s all the evidence I need to know this man is not normal!!.. This man was accused.. not once but twice in a trial for accusations of molestation and he CONTINUED to have random kids hang out with him at his house..number 1 if he didn’t do anything wouldn’t he be smart to stop having kids stay the night with him so no more accusations can be filed on him .. and number 2 why didn’t he have cameras all over his house so if something like this would ever happen you have video proof nothing occurred .. this man had more money than he needed .. but he was a sick man who got whatever he wanted .. we shouldn’t be shocked this occurred .. we should be embarrassed that we as fans ignored what was staring us in the face because we wanted to believe he could never be a bad person!! So the super fans can support him and ignore everything as “fake news” but best believe, there is a chance, your praising a pedophile. And no amount of fame can ever allow me to EVER stick up for a possible Pedophile!!
Raider MambaX Something is very very wrong when you get prosecuted for molestation and continue the pattern after. That's addiction. Not to mention his fake marriages to manipulate the media and public perception.
@@James-hn7vx and most people bury their head NOT seeing how these 2 are conmen! Why safecheque and his mum smiling??? Why wado never mentions his 10 years relationship with mj s niece age 10-20 ??? So wado was f*** mj s niece but also mj f*** him then wado f*** britney spears and dances till yesterday behind janet jackson!!! Too much wado f*** around no? I hope he didn t f*** us in between im scared now?!
He was weird yeesssss otherwise you dont carry webster lewis in your arms like a BAG no? Or keep bloody xmas decorations for 365 days? But he s not a pedo. It s something different.
I would simply ask these people still defending MJ would they have allow their son WITHOUT HESITATION to spend the night with MJ at Neverland Ranch unsupervised? And do they think it's normal for a grown man to want to have young boys spend the night at his home unsupervised?
You all sound like you were the people at the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Where you there. So do not judge less you be judge because anyone could say the same about anyone of you, who's to say that one or more of you around that table has not abused children or someone. we don't know but anything is possible, it ok to have an opinion but when you say Michael Jackson did this well now you are now judging him with no evidence except lip service from these two men. Did they give you medical paperworK showing abuse, did he tell you which part of Michael body have the a vertiligo Mark's that would be something a child would clearly remember and also question when seen on someone's body. The people who had the evidence found Michael Jackson not guilty so what makes your kangaroo court any better. Do you know a lot of people rap about killing and gangster stuff and never kill or been a gangster in their life's. Lots of people act in movie's writing movie's with horrific sexual abuse scenes but has never experience this in real life. The mind can imagine what it wants to, if it was not so man would have never been on the moon. So to say they didn't make this up you all sounds more than racist, you all sounds dum. Guess what slavery never existed all the black people just all decided to go to America for a holiday and these two men told them that the streets was paved with gold and the streets was so shiny, with diamonds, jules, pearls, everywhere was that descriptive enough for you to believe me or do you need some sort of proof. Just ask your two star victims I'm sure that they could convince you the truth if I didn't.
What Leaving Neverland has really successfully exposed are those people who, were this 350 years ago, would be burning witches at the stake. And that includes every person in this Collider panel.
@@12Noud then maybe we should not have a court system and because you or I was not there then we should not judge or have an opinion and then it should not ever been talked about because clearly by your school of thought the court system has no value to the world so why you have an opinion after all was you there fool.
+Trini B What are you talking about? I never said the court system was of no value 😂 I'm saying that, from your point of view, the court system would be of no value, because no one else except for the victim and the rapisr were there.
Timothy Mwinyella Love your passion! In terms of believing the best people, you should always try to have faith in what people say otherwise the negative and distrustful mindset will kick in which will leave you living a troubling life. However, the most important thing to remember is that there is always 3 sides to every story. There’s one side, there’s the other and there is the truth. Therefore, it’s best to research the allegations behind these two men before coming up with a conclusion otherwise you sound uninformed and foolish 😃
@@satgunam8701b Exactly that. For a crime as serious as child sex abuse, an accusation has to be taken very seriously. This means nothing can be dismissed on either side and everything must be done to find the truth. As such evidence should remain the key factor in judgment
@@manjon217 Why do people say stupid things like this? Do you know if that were true that would have constituted corroborating evidence? Meaning there would have been no other rout but a criminal proceeding. His insurance company settled that case in a civil agreement against his legal counsel. In any event, if what you are saying is even remotely true, that option would not have been available.
@@RishiRamlagan lmao that’s the Stan’s go to. “Do your research”. Does that include cringy fan made documentaries or regurgitating the same MJ Stan talking points that have been disproven countless times. 😭🤣
guys... stick to comic book movies. Every word I heard here was a speculation and a lack of education on the subject. Do your research before saying "There's no way this didn't happen." You do realise both boys made these claims 5 years ago and their cases were thrown out of court?
not convinced personally, sorry. way too many inconsistencies, plus the mother of all conflicts of interests. when you take all the problematic aspects of these two, that one guy being happy to continue working, wanting a job on the circe du soleil production (actively choosing to have the supposedly trauma inducing predator as an ongoing topic of his professional life), and only when he didnt get it, the year after that he starts trying to sell a tell-all book? and when nobody found it convincing, then trying to quietly sue a shitload of money out of the MJ estate and being rejected by courts? being together with the niece (so much about him being "in love" with the supposed predator), failing to mention any of this, failing to have anyone else tell their view that might not go well with his narrative, to the point where that "kid after him" had to go on twitter and basically tell them "speak for yourself, and take me out of your smear documentary or i will sue you"? and the other guy only being inspired to "remember" once he saw the first guy on tv talking about a 1,xbil. dollar lawsuit? plus years of FBI investigation, years of being hunted by that tomforgothisname guy, house raided, all computers taken, and...nothing? so heres the thing: personally i actually dont care all that much about michael jacksons music or the guy himself. not my genre. but logic alone seems to dictate to me that theres an equally convincing case to be made that, once michael jackson agreed to that settlement in the 90s, he basically told the world "look, heres a method to get a shitload of cash even if i deny all of this". the way things went fit a LOT better into a pattern one would expect from that. noone will ever know for sure. but since it was those guys decision to move this to the court of public opinion, they cant complain whena significant part of the public says "does not pass smell test". maybe what they say is true, but after years of greed and trying to milk this story for cash they really very much destroyed their own credibility.
That woman is a prime example of why society is the way it is today. "Let's just all blindly everything we hear! I mean, because they said it, it must be true, right? (faceplam) DUH!!!!
Ezzymah1 you described exactly what I was thinking when watching this. The 2 accusers could have been rehearsed with assistance from someone in the psychology field. Look I believe it's entirely possible that Jackson was guilty of child molestation. I just don't believe these two guys.
The MJ worshippers in full effect in the comments. I'm sure more even more stories will come out, and sooner or later you'll have to come to terms with your fandom.
@@tamapajamas Thats bc judgemental twats dont like evidence or proof they just jump to conclusions bc they don't know how to look at things objectively and hear the full story before forming an opinion.. Im sure you take everything at face value.
@@tamapajamas yet he didnt sleep in the bed he slept on the floor. And my family friends and I have slumber parties for the kids. Its normal unless you have a perverse mind like youself
I still haven't watched this documentary, but I still have some thoughts. First of all, if your convictions surrounding sexual abuse fall apart the second that a celebrity that you like/admire/respect is accused of such a crime, then you cannot consider yourself an ally. That lack of belief in victims is why so few come forward, and the statistics surrounding false allegations are so low, that it's usually very unlikely that they're lying. Secondly, I remember watching a documentary called "Living with Michael Jackson" on a British television channel (ITV) when I was around 11 or 12 years old. I found the documentary so haunting, creepy, and intense, I stayed up late to finish watching it on the TV set in my bedroom, because it was such a deeply fascinating piece of insight into the life of an - at best - very eccentric man. What I saw, when he spoke about children sharing his bed, displayed evidence to me of the systematic grooming of minors. The way that he told the boy that "if you love me, you'll sleep in the bed", and the way the boy was so disturbingly (physically) close to him. This was before Jackson was taking to court the second time on allegations of sexual assault of minors. I remember the day the verdict was passed, and hearing that he'd been acquitted of all charges, and it made me sick. I've never felt so sure in my life than I did that an injustice took place in that courtroom. Also, in the initial vote, three members of the 12 person jury believed he was guilty. One juror stated he only changed his vote because he didn't feel they could prove it to the point of being "beyond reasonable doubt". In conclusion, it is not unusual for victims of abuse, especially those who have been groomed, to display an element of strong loyalty to their abusers, and even to feel love and affection for them. It's very similar to the sort of psychological effects of Stockholm Syndrome on prisoners of war. Also, habitual groomers often groom the parents of their intended victims before even beginning with the child themselves, which is why so often they are able to get away with their behaviour. I hear some people say that "no true victim" of abuse would accept money in out-of-court settlements if they were truly victims, but often it was the families of the victims settling, and their may be instances where a victim feels it is the least they're owed for essentially being traumatised to the point it could ruin their life. In retort, I pose to you a similar strawman argument of asking "what innocent person would pay off their accuser if they really didn't do anything?", it's the same moral dilemma. Finally, we also have to remember that many victims of trauma and abuse actually build mental blocks in their own minds, erasing their memories of the things that happened to them. Often they don't recall their abuse until it's unlocked through some pretty intense therapy years later. In other words, for many of the reasons shown here, just because one of his victims claimed he wasn't molested when asked previously, doesn't mean he wasn't.
There were parts left out that Wade was seeing Micheal's niece and never mentioned that the whole DocumentaryI cannot believe these men would never have talked to anyone the whole time this supposed abuse happened.Mothers must not have even checked their children.
This is classic CSA psychology. You guys kill me with your reasoning. “Omg he acted just like a victim of CSA abuse, therefore he’s lying !” So stupid and ignorant shm
You are misquoting the documentary...go back and watch it again....wade Robinson was not threatened the second time...he did not want to testify because he was in love with Michael...his mother asked him if anything happened between them and he told her no. The mother told him that he had to defend Michael because he would not survive in jail. So that's why he did it the second time. It was zachek (spellcheck) who was threatened but still told him no...go back and watch the documentary....
@@Ares-yt8yl see theres too many allegations for me go hes 100% innocent he did something to someones kid but my question is who did this to him as a child? cause idk the psychology of a child predator but it had happen to him and the stuff he told the kids were told to him as a child
Here's the thing, it's easy to crucify someone after they are gone and unable to defend themselves, and this documentary is heavily one sided, so forgive me for keeping my scepticism.
Collider Live- Thank you for speaking on such a difficult topic. I know you are getting slammed relentlessly by viewers' comments because Michael Jackson is so beloved and people do not want to believe this could have happened, but as a Family Counselor who has worked with kids and families victimized by sexual assault and years of sexual grooming, almost always by trusted people to the victims, I know how important it is to increase social awareness on this issue. I've worked with kids for almost two decades, but it wasn't until my current position where I truly started to understand how insidious and deeply rooted the process of manipulation of children and young adults goes for the purposes of sexual assault. And it's not just the intended target or targets that get manipulated. Anyone around that target in a position of any kind of authority will become part of the process of manipulation as well. Sexual predators are, more often than not, masterful tacticians when it comes to getting what they want. I have not yet watched the documentary, but plan to do so with as much of an open mind from all perspectives as I possibly can. If Michael Jackson is guilty of these crimes, a big part of the push-back you and anyone who believes so is getting from the public is the difficulty in accepting that WE ALL were victims of manipulation by someone we wanted to trust and adored. Again, thank you for the courage to talk about this issue. And to anyone who wants to drown out discussion about this documentary who has not seen it yet, I would say, if you truly are passionate about this, watch the documentary first with an open mind as well, and then take some time afterward to reassess your thoughts and opinions. You may even learn something that could help you prevent someone you care about from being victimized in this way.
You are a "family counselor"? That's a joke. You should have advised people to FIRST do the research on Wade Robson and James Safechuck. Then watch the. "documentary" if you feel like watching kiddie porn. Because that really is what it is. You need to go back to school. You are way too biased so that you are blinded by FICTION.
There’s nothing to joke about when it comes to children being sexual abused and even worse when the victim wants the abuse. It’s obvious your too much of a fan to have a realistic approach to this issue. Unless you knew MJ personally then there is no reason for you to defend him. Fans don’t have the right to call people liars just because they like who is being accused.
@@cfluff6716 its NOT THE FACTS THAT WE are FANS!!!!!! It's all about Doing full RESEARCH about the entire Timeline & storylines that these 2 Are lying about..and What WADE is leaving out!! Just GOOGLE BRANDI JACKSON's Side of the story..yes She was dating wade..for 8 years....& that would Ruin his TIMELINE;so Called MJ MOLESTING HIM.......U SIR..have 2 do Full RESEARCH B4U JUDGE A DEAD MAN!!!!
I am not a Michael Jackson fan - I actually got more interested in the man in the past few weeks than I've been my whole life - but I agree with those who say that "Leaving Neverland" is completely pointless and possibly even malign. Not only it's utterly one-sided (with the director himself stating "What's the point of interviewing someone who says that Micheal Jackson was a good person?" - yeah, he really said that), but it doesn't have any fact or evidence to back up its claims. Just because someone says something happened doesn't make it true and that's all there is in the 4+ hour film: people saying stuff. The only "evidence" is the ring Jackson allegedly gave Safechuck, which bears no inscriptions, has not been examined by anybody, could've been bought anywhere and, if you look carefully, the guy's fingers are too small to actually fit it NOW at 40. On the other hand, we have two accusers who tried to get more than a billion dollars from the Jackson's estate in 2016, only to have the judge throw the case out of court (it's all true - you can fact check it as much as you want). That's fishy, to say the least.
no it wasn't well done. she talked from a point of view that was, is, and always has been false. She basically tried to get everyone who hadn't seen it... to believe what was said. she is the absolute worst and there is a reason I never liked her, even on Screen Junkies.
It's just a terrible shame that one of the greatest musical genius and kindest, gentlest souls to walk the planet is now going to go down in history with the besmirched reputation of 'maybe' and completely unproven pedophile - all thanks to the dubious testimony of a man who has completely changed his allegiance to Michael after 2 nervous breakdowns and a failed career. It is perfectly possible that Robson is sick, confused and broke, and now the Jackson family will have to live with this dreadful reputation forever. I am boycotting HBO for making money from this outrageous nonsense. The man was proven innocent on all 14 counts in 2005 - if your in any doubt, go check out what the 2005 jury, Spike Lee and Tom Meserau all have to say in their interviews. It's terrible that this has been allowed re-surface against all proof again, and again, and again....
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To reiterate what Reilly said, to automatically ASSUME that these guys are telling the 100% truth is "some of the most shallow... Closed-minded thinking I've ever heard of on my life."
This is like Nazi German, I saw it in a documentary so IT MUST BE TRUE. These are the diabolical people we allowed to control our ears.
That's what the metoo movement is all about though...
But to listen to their accounts, find them credible, and believe their stories is completely logical.
Ghost Note So is looking into they're backgrounds and determining any reason as to why they may not being truthful. The man they're accusing is dead, and no longer able to defend himself. Taking accusations at immediate face value is dangerous. Just look at Jussie Smollett.
@@wut-dah_7212 Sure, but is that what you're seeing? People acting in good faith, looking into things in order to get to the truth? Or more like people latching onto and twisting anything they possibly can to support the narrative they've been following for decades? There are some of the former, but I see mostly the latter.
And it seems like the only reason for these allegations that the pro-Jackson side can come up with is money. The same thing said about every Jackson accuser, and everyone that's accused a rich person of anything, ever. Saying they're doing it for the money, absent anything else, isn't compelling. Their stories were compelling. And to those who have experience dealing with the system, and victims of sexual abuse, they were entirely believable.
Funny how Macuga immediately dismisses Corey Feldman who himself was a victim of sexual abuse and spoke out about it's prevalence in Hollywood smh...
Feldman has been trying to tell people about that for years but has been effectively ignored, even in this “me too” climate.
It is ironic. I don't think they have as much experience in dealing with this subject.
Just because Michael didn’t touch Corey means absolutely nothing. Believe what you want but that’s literally means nothing. Serial killers and rapists can have children, be married and have close relationships with people who never expected them to be killers. I’m not saying I believe or not but that’s just not a good enough point for people to keep bringing up.
Macuga is clueless when it comes to this subject, he should stick to superheroes.
Funny how? Michael Jackson didn't rape every boy he came in contact with so that means he didn't rape any boy he came in contact with?
You believe in a "prevalence" of abuse in Hollywood, but you dismiss the chance that Hollywood-obsessed Michael Jackson could've been an abuser? Because it has exactly what to do with you?
So damned dumb.
Weird how macuga and reily automatically just believe whatever they hear.
Jacob Price you see the thing on Netflix?
PanamaRed72 if u r talkn about the whole documentary yes I watched all 4 hours on HBO.
and that's very dangerous. I wonder if Macuga felt the same way about Ben Roethlisberger and his allegations as well as Stormy Daniels statement about Ben.
Jacob Price
Yea the way they are believing everything without questioning a thing is troubling. And this is coming from someone that thinks MJ probably did it, but I know there's a chance that the facts are at least blurry. "Thinking" he did it is different from "KNOWING" he did it.
@@Ares-yt8yl base on your logic, we should no longer have courts and trials and do investigations? But release a doc instead? A doc should determine if a person is innocent or guilty? I'm just using your logic.
Trying to speak on something you haven’t bothered to do 10 minutes of research on is embarrassing. No matter what people think of MJ.
D I agree they did no research or watched any other videos so they should not talk about it at all they didn’t even know whether macaulay culkin stayed the night or not
Just because people speak words on a documentary, doesn't mean it's the gospel!!!
The public at large are so easily brainwashed by the media. Just because somebody says something doesn't mean it's true. How do ignorant people like this woman get on the radio? What makes her special because she seems so ordinary to me?
Just because michael had gay pornography and hang out around cute young white boys Only doesnt mean you have brain to add things and say MJ was super weird and should not be allowed near children pedhoo enabler
@@jothegreek actually, Jackson didn't even had gay pornography - it was all heterosexual stuff. The list of all the stuff they found is on the FBI website. The "gay stuff" were actually art photography books - and I know more than one pretentious, turtleneck-wearing prick that owns stuff like that. And they are straight as a freeway - actually, the whole intellectual angle is something they put on in order to impress ladies and get laid.
They are in court demanding money from the Jackson estate and this foolish woman is saying there is no money for them.
Not only are they appealing their demand for MILLIONS from the Michael Jackson Estate (which they hope this "documentary" will. help them win on appeal) they will also get a percentage everytime this documentary airs. And they are getting paid and will in the future for every interview they do.
Still don't changed the fact MJ was fond of young boys.
@@annlanders978 They didnt get paid for the doc they refused.
James isn't asking for anything
@@carolinechaney3287
A judge looked at all the evidence, and said neither witness was credible, at least twice. The documentary is about stirring up public sympathy, in hopes of cashing on their hard luck, "I'm a failure, because I was traumatized", story. Both men blamed Michael Jackson for being failures. Robson blamed him for telling him he would be the next Spielberg. And he admitted he felt like an utter failure because he couldn't live up to those expectations. And Safechuck, blamed Michael because he told him and his parents to pursue a different career path, than the one he actually planned on pursuing. Court documents show that both men changed their stories on numerous occasions, told conflicting stories, and both are in financial binds. If it's not about money, why does the documentary dance around the fact that they have been suing his estate for millions?
If you feel you have to watch Leaving Neverland then you have to watch the Bryan Singer doc "An open secret". Don't cherry pick who you want to cancel.
They will never talk about that open secrets is the truth.. they will just ignore it..
When have they defended Singer?
@@leemcqueen500 valid point
Singer is finished dude. What are talking about?
Collider members have been VERY vocal agaisnt Singer. What are you talking about?
Honestly, I think if you haven't actually looked into this situation & seen all of the counter evidence against the claims in this documentary, I think you're not doing your deed as someone who's even remotely interested in these ongoing claims. There's a lot of logical realizations & facts against the people in this documentary that proves it's a hit piece made just for getting money from the Jackson estate to shut them up. I'm sorry, but believing this is stupid.
Of course he did it are you people dum he was a creep
Omg shame shame shame mj
Based on what? Hanging out with kids & their families & the tabloids having this prevailing bullshit about his interactions with them despite many of the kids swearing nothing actually happened? You should REALLY look into the actual facts of the matter rather than just go on hearsay.
No benefit?
Just by doing those interviews they made millions and now they are probably going to get book deals and make more money.
also they used his connections in music industry in exchange for sexual favors and then lie in court about it.....that makes them as guilty as MJ
I'll bet you defend R Kelly too.
MJ was a sicko
@@SobekLOTFC I have no sympathy towards stupid parents who leave their kids with strangers and then cry about it in npc mainstream media.also the kid lied in court to defend MJ.and now after he died he comes forward for attention....
The director said the two victims were not paid to be in Leaving Neverland.
@@slowglow and you believe him
Wow!!! Feel sorry for you guys. You need to do your research before making a conclusion 🤔
Steve Satgunam this is exactly why HBO released the “doc.” Most people will not look into the actual evidence and believe this nonsense.
just because there is no evidence does not mean that MJ didn't nonce those kids and it goes the other way as well. I think he did it though
will graham Interesting to see how people have the mindset of guilty before innocence as opposed to the opposite. Also, the world is conformed to believe the worst in people without doing their research and making a informed conclusion. We are indeed living in a fallen world, how sad ☹️
Absolutely!!!!
You really don't question a grown man sleeping in the same bed with children? You really think that behavior is appropriate? We indeed live in a fallen world, people defending someone just for being famous. How sad ☹️
You're talking about this like these are the FACTS, but at this point these things are just ACCUSATIONS.
Accusations that makes sense, if that was a preacher, I am sure you wouldn't blink an eye to accuse him of child molesting.
The stories are similar, becuse these two boys had four years to corroborate their stories.
watch the documentary before u make assumptions! Jackson had many other young boy's families lined up like Robson and Safechuck.
@@portalplayer so why weren't they in this "documentary"? Hmmmm
eidodk exactly
@@Smittie69do you actually have a brain ?
I didn't hear "allegedly" once in this video.
Ur right, every comment i make on social media that i dont know to be fact, i write a disclaimer of sorts or a comment to say if i am wrong i apologise, always.... Roxy and the rest are live on youtube watched by a lot of people worldwide, I live in Ireland and i watch...and nothing like a disclaimer here...are opinions now fact?.....just cause Trump doesn't use Facts, doesnt mean others shouldn't either....they could be sued right now and no leg to stand on...i hope not though...they should really have rules of conduct on Collider.....
Apollo West defamation ?
that's what I'm saying! SMH
No shit
It’s pretty scary how quickly they condemned the man after watching an admittedly one sided program.
Roxy is clueless and has swallowed the lies.
People like this shouldn't be allowed to comment without knowing the facts.
Anything for viewers.
Well now you know how the rest of us feels about you commenting on videos. Some people just shouldn't be allowed.
@@basquat76 Do you know the facts? Or are you looking for Collider Bonus points.? Dont comment unless you know the facts.
I know the facts and still think he did it he was one of the most powerful men in the world. We live in a world we’re bill Cosby got away with raping woman for how many years? Is this so hard to believe?
@@matthewjones4892 not when an extensive FBI investigation didn't turn up any substantial evidence.
ragemonkey117
Not an extensive FBI search. Local police search and investigation supported by the FBI. Meaning local police did everything and sent some materials to the FBI for examination
The self professed "biggest Michael Jackson fan" who thinks the song is called "Black AND White" good god.
Haha!:D
lol I know right
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It's crazy how so many fans still try to act like he didn't do shit to kids, they need a reality check, sharing your bed with children is strange, if you had common sense that would start ringing alarm bells in your head, these guys stories are so detailed and it's so obvious how this has destroyed there family it's so sad to see, and I just want to say well done to these guys for coming out, it would've been so scary for them.
It research why we don't believe
Surely you should watch the whole documentary before reviewing it?
If it's as one sided as yesterday's episode, I don't care.
Paul Rizzo just like their alleged allegations of being 'groomed'..thats exactly what the 'docu' did. it groomed us and deliberately made it like a porn so you feel ill and upset. i saw the nephew talking about how he told mj he was sexually assaulted by one of their uncles and mj wrote him a letter telling him that is not ok and to get help ..also he said mj wrote a song never released about child abuse...i dunno...and those letters i' went online and saw so many of those letters he sent to alot of people. but again, look how fast everyone 'believed smollet...and didnt belive the Covington kids.
Paul Rizzo let me ask you something , would you as an individual ..I don’t know how old you are .. but if you are an adult , would you ever , ever ask a child let alone a child you just met to sleep over and sleep in your bed, for fun??? You probably wouldn’t , why.. because it’s inappropriate. Yet All these people around Michael who were hired by Michael let this occur , FOR YEARS!!!! I don’t care if those men are lying or telling the truth in the doc , by MJ as a grown adult male even asking a 7-10 year old boy to sleep over and sleep in his bed is cause for Major Concern!! He should of NEVER been allowed to EVER be able to do that , I blame the parents and of course MJ !! That alone is flat out wrong .. and you should never ignore that !! So people need to stop acting as if MJ never ever did anything wrong .. he put himself in these situations so no I don’t feel a bit sorry for the man !!!
@@raidermambax3551 He did it because he was trying to relive the childhood he never had. He even wrote a letter to Robson's mother asking her to not make Wade work so much, to let him enjoy his childhood. He constantly looked out for the mental welfare of the kids he was friends with. Try reading some transcripts too, you'll notice there was usually other kids there or if there wasn't he would sleep on the floor. Quit reading fucking headlines and do some fucking research, a majority of the documents are online.
ɴ̅I̅ ̅ ̅ s̅ı̅Ͻ̅ Lmao wow !! Ok well than he is innocent because he wrote a letter to Wades moms asking her to not make Wade work so much! Come on what the hell!! That doesn’t at all mean he didn’t molest Wade Robson lol.. and than you said multiple kids were in MJs room .. well where were all the Fucking Adults!! It does NOT make it any better that multiple kids were sleeping in his room even if he was “sleeping on the floor”.. which ok there you go doesn’t prove that he didn’t do something In private with those kids, the problem is MJ kept putting himself in a situation where he CAN be accused of molestation And wrong doing. After being accused the first time WTF DIDN’T HE STOP HAVING CHILDREN SLEEP OVER HIS HOUSE!!.. Why did he NEED to continue doing that , that’s the question you should ask yourself, in life if you are doing something that all it does is causes you problems wouldn’t you stop that , unless he couldn’t stop , hmm why couldn’t he stop?? Well maybe because he was a sick man that needed to have little boys sleep over in his house that to me right there are RED FLAGS going off left and right. I’m not saying MJ didn’t care for these kids, I truly think he loved them that’s why it was so easy for him to manipulate them, it came from a real place , the problem was he also liked them sexually, he can care for people and still do awful things that’s how a predator hides in plain sight , and that’s why these children had difficulty speaking up because they truly loved and admired Michael so there little brains could not accept that he was doing awful things to them, that’s how molestation occurs and they say it’s usually by someone you look up to and admire.
I lvoe how "one sided" is somehow a criterion. If it is true it's true, if they lie, its a lie. Neither is "one sided". "On sided" is just an excuse for people not to face a potential very dark reality.
It's amazing and sad that a 4 hour so-called documentary bears more weight to people than an FBI/Police investigation and trial that ended in acquittal. Fair weather fans.
You are ignoring the fact that the documentary is based on two people who defended MJ in that trial and are now saying yes in fact he did abuse them. So don’t pretend like it’s case closed when it clearly isn’t.
@@doomdoom7460 nah he did it, just got away with it like many other celebrities
@@doomdoom7460 That's just Wade Robson who testified in 2005. Safechunk was not involved.
@Doom Doom Wade lied under oath. He can use all the excuses he wants, but he had plenty of chances to ask for help and put Michael away. Example: his brother is a police officer, and he never went to him for help/protection. The whole thing stinks. Especially when all the accusers never fought for a criminal case but instead a civil case "money"
@GolfGuy absolutely prove it then!!?? 😉
Lying under oath is a problem.
Luke Jr. exactly.
you really think you wouldn't be pressured when you're bout to tell the worlds most famous musical artist they molested you...
A big one that they just keep going over
It completely undercuts everything said in the documentary. It means they are unreliable witnesses. They either lied then or lied now.
Lying under Oath is nothing. People will say anything to not get caught. And you can catch anybody lying under oath over anything and the person is toast.
Another thing to consider about Mac - he's the godfather of Jackson's daughter or all 3 kids - this could also affect his decision about telling the truth (if in fact he was abused).
Wether u like it or not Michael was acquitted on these charges in a court of law. Trial by media is not gonna work
Michael died in 2009. Why did they come out with this NOW? They slept well for ten years and all of a sudden they couldn't?!
Very often abused children cannot both psychological and emotional, talk about their abuse until the person has gone. It's actually more likely to come out after that person has died
@@adalineelodie8786 Yeah well they are not abused children, they want money
It's funny how she said after watching she did her research , and yet she didn't know anything😂
Yup. Hilarious. I actually feel sad for people like this bunch.
@@RishiRamlaganyes but the trouble is most other people are as thick as this aswell
No one has ever lied for personal gain. It has never happened before, ever. Facts are stupid. I believe people.
LOL
IDK! This seems little too much like a slam dunk. Especially, since the accused is dead. He can't even defend himself against the accusations. I'm open minded, but either way can be true. He could be guilty...but he also could be innocent of these accusations.
what's he gonna say 'no I didn't'... whats all this 'he not alive to defend himself'... people alive all the time to do that... still up to a jury... he was already alive to defend himself TWICE
@@WuMyth : Defended himself twice (as you say) and wasn't convicted of any wrong doing. That also has to be considered.
@@CHANNEL3TH-cam Yea... OJ wasn't convicted in his big trial either... wtf is your point... that means zero
@@WuMyth : It means plenty, if convictions mean anything to you.
Agreed, people need to be more open minded on this. Forget all the accusations, Michael was a grown man that had a fascination with being around children all the time...that in itself is a little strange. I’m not saying he did it, but for people to be acting SHOCKED and like there is no way this is even possible is laughable. I find it ironic that when Abducted in Plain Sight came out everyone and their mom were looking at those parents appalled like how could you miss all those red flags, plus they had the man sleeping in the same bed as their daughter...but MJ comes out of his mouth saying he doesn’t see a problem with sleeping in the same bed as a child and some fans are still blinded to the fact that he could’ve been capable of this. Idk I’m on the fence like you and I do have conflicting feelings about this being made after he’s passed when he still has immediate family members alive but it’s not blasphemous for this to be true if you just look at how Michael was as a man. Any normal grown man wanting to hang out with kids that often would be a red flag to most but because he’s Michael Jackson people don’t think it’s odd. Like the mental gymnastics some people are doing is CRAZY.
lets talk about how they had conflicting reports of the abuse, lets talk about him dating brandi micheals niece at the time of the so called abuse, lets talk about him 25 an adult still defend him, and his own mother denying this claims, than changed it lets talk about him dancing with latoya jackson for memorial concert for micheal. so why now why not in 2005 why not in 2009 but in 2013 and thrown out, but because of metoo and the sheep that you re believe the victim never the accused
@@theFCAP what you said proves nothing, and u are havent proved he had sex or challenged by wade accusations
@@theFCAP still no evidence and your report doesnt prove shit. And why havent counter my points because you cant you beta
@@theFCAP Statistics are probability, not certainty. Statistics are not evidence.
He cheated on Brandi with Britney Spears.
yea, so all of that is addressed in the documentary. if u cant understand the confusing feelings of loving an abuser, then talk to your own family and friends about their experiences. i bet someone you know has been through the trauma of loving an abuser. how many times do domestic violence victims NOT press charges because they dont want to see the other person go to jail/be hurt because they still love them???
also, funny u mention latoya, cause latoya was actually the only honest one in the family. back in the 80s she decided to tell the truth about joe jackson sexually abusing her and her sister rebbie. she also talked about michael being a child abuser in multiple interviews. the entire jackson clan shunned her for telling the truth. she eventualy walked back her statements, probably cause it was too lonely out ther eon her own, with her entire family slandering her in the press. but go ahead and youtube those videos of her. she says it all. and this was back in the 80s before the first accuser ever came forward.
I believe Cory and Macaulay.
MOBROOKS wait you don’t believe some family who wanted to be famous and who has a history of trying to extort and manipulate Michael Jackson??
Hahahaha
You’re awesome.
Cody Bishop
By the way,
It wasn’t just Michael.
Didn’t they try to extort Chris Tucker as well?
Brett Barnes also said that Michael never touched him.
Lol I believe them too...but that means absolutely nothing in terms of if MJ did this or not...why are people thinking just cuz two FAMOUS kids at the time weren’t touched by him means he 100% did nothing.
What I find funny is that a lot the questions people are bringing up are ACTUALLY in the documentary. The raiding of the ranch. It's there. The boy defending Michael in 2003. There. The same guy writing a tribute to Michael after his death. There. I watched this documentary. While it only interviews one side, it definitely brings up things consistently from the other side. The doc makes a very compelling argument though. That's all there is to it. Keep speaking your mind, crew. Love the show.
Modern Day Masterpiece bullshit. Where was Cory Feldman’s interview? Where was Macaulay Culkin’s interview? There are plenty of interviews they didn’t get. There were plenty of sides they didn’t cover. They wanted to destroy his character with a couple people’s testimonies that had no facts, just stories. Anybody can tell a fuckin story.
@@bamm86 To be fair, Kulkin could've said no to being interviewed
Where's the story about Wade dating Michael's niece,not only that but cheating on her with britney spears. Not only that but dating Mayte Garcia(but he wasn't supposed to like women at this time? ) Okay...
If they were molested and violated, they would never want to be near him again. But they both kept coming around him. Even if the were scared to say something, they wouldn't want to be around him. Wade hung around for him for years, even spoke at his funeral.
James kept the wedding ring from his so-called abuser. It's very weird to do if it's such a traumatic experience
Not all victims are the same
@kevaughnramsay9846 Those 2 men aren't victims. lmao. They sure as hell don't act it, wade especially with his sneaky Narcissist attitude
@@Snyper1405 Reread my comment dumbass not all victims are the same or act the same way.
now everyone is destroying his character when he is in the ground.
You're clearly a teenager. They were destroying MJ's character since 1993.
Who dies that has no character at all that s why!
MJ destroyed his own character when he couldn’t stop hanging out with little boys!!
They are also describing abuse and molestation. Maybe we should look at this documentary as a warning for future generations of youngsters wanting to break into the industry with the help of a famous industry figure.
@@raidermambax3551 No, Hollywood destroyed MJ. Child trafficking and sexual abuse is big in Hollywood. MJ is just a small fish and was once part of the elite. The big fish are getting away. Michael Jackson did not have a childhood. He was a child star and I won't be surprised if he was sexually abused when he was younger. Either by his father or others in the entertainment industry. R. Kelly was sexually abused when he was young and liked it. Sexual abuse is a cycle.
Roxy has a bit of an absolutist position on this.
Just because he didn't molest all the kids doesn't mean he didn't molest any kids.
Lawrence Mak true ...he interacted with thousands of kids ...he should have had the same amount of accusers ass Jimmy Saville/Cosby
@@JonathanMutsinzi1998 and Weinstein
@@JonathanMutsinzi1998 MJ only fancied and fell in LOVE with a few of his fans and made them his boyfriends and slept with them regularly, even in hotel rooms. Took them on tours and kinda dated them. Jimmy didn't love the kids he abused nor did Cosby they just wanted to molest them and not have relationships. MJ dated his boys and was in love with them for long periods until they got too old and he stopped fancying them and he ditched them. He then got the next boy he fancied and repeated the cycle. When you watch MJ walking around with his boys and look at his face he looks like a man in love and treats those boys like girlfriends. Super f@@king weird.
And any kid who would admire a man who abused them just raises questions to me.
You obviously know nothing of abuse.
@@DarrickDraper trust me I've seen abuse head up and I call bull shit, there is no I support this man who abused me, any kid at that age would only see a monster. Also do your reserch on these guys they been suspect for years.
@@matthewlandis1034 no I used to get locked in a closet while my mom got beat on so I have somewhat of a perspective of what abuse looks like and they look more like actors because if that was me there would be nothing but hate and disgust for that person.
daryl thompson comparing the abuse you are talking about and the sexual abuse they are talking about is different. These children were molested by a societal god. It is amazing what people do for “gods”, no matter what they do to you.
@@matthewlandis1034 I'm sorry I just disagree there is past and clear evidence that they just want cash I actually grow up with this case when it was going on so it's nothing new, just brought back up to take advantage of the times in my opinion, but believe what you want I've done my research on this case and to me it's all bull shit and a con and it kills me that people are acting like it's a new case wich it's not, the man had his day in court and now because of a subjective non factual documentary, we're supposed believe some shit that was disproven and shut down years ago, nope I'm good.
There is a reason HBO is cutting shit out everytime something is debunked
It's a degradation of our society, when anyone without proof can accuse a famous person. I've seen this documentary and I think You of all people should know that movies can manipulate your emotions. Those detailed descriptions just an instrument. We can't be 100% sure that MJ was guilty or not. But to accuse him and bann his legacy and 50 years of hard work based on this documentary is STUPID!
Alex Pak it's called history, people saying u can't talk bout a dead man makes no sense. What about Hitler's war crimes?
tiki freaky I know right! Might as well forget about slavery since all those people that participated are dead now. Logic requires reasoning and of course not being a dumbass.
tiki freaky Hitler's war crimes are historical FACTS with millions of eyewitnesses , documents and video evidence. All we have now against MJ is "documentary", that tells a very one-sided story , treating words of two biased families as facts, with no photographic or video evidence of actual sexual abuse . There are only words !
tiki freaky And what about presumption of innocence? If you can accuse MJ based on this movie , I can make a movie about me and Macuga or Harloff abusing me as a child , while I was on SDCC. Show photos, autographs etc. hell anyone nowadays can do it. Go to Oprah, cry on television with no real evidence. I'm not against talking about crimes that were made by dead celebrities , but if you want me to agree with Simpsons deleting MJ's episode or radio stations banning his music , you need more than words in a graphic documentary.
They aren’t kids. They are grown as men!!! Wade testified as a grown ass man! Period!!!!! I’m never going to stop listening to Michael Jackson PERIOD!!!!!!!
Im not a MJ fan but why these 2 don t go to a lie detector test?
Watch the documentary and you will quickly realise they don't need it
@@twelve11 oh yeah you’re right! I’ll just take their word for it, and believe they’re telling the truth!
Okay so I'm a new subscriber so I don't really know anyone on the podcast but that guy keeps interrupting everyone and screaming into the mic and it's really getting on my nerves. Is he always like this?
He's still heated from the last episode.
He's always like that wouldn't get job like this if he had the gift of melanin
Sadly yes
You don’t adk yourself why Culkin is not interviewed in the documentary?
Because he claims that HE was not molested? Why would that matter? His experience was not theirs. His situation was also vastly different from theirs.
Ghost Note They imply that he was in the documentary though, without his consent, or his knowledge for that matter.
Wut?? ಠ_ಠ fair point
Thomas Schneider Just because a rapist doesn’t rape one individual doesn’t mean that he didn’t rape other people.
Mark Chadwick Macaulay was too old? Is that what you just said??
Do they have the same energy with Woody Allen and Roman Polanski?
Standing ovations probably..
Probably not
Lol..you can forget that...just based off this non researching a## crew. I mean the FBi have been following dude and they found nothing and he went court found not guilty, plus Collider watch some of the research vids from MJ nephew. Smh...wow Collider...watch y'all from the AMC days...I'm shouldn't even be surprise...I'm just hoping that Schnape didn't have this mentality..I wouldn't want to believe that birds if a feather flock together...smh....just a stupidity on my part.
Ppl keep saying that they never found anything when they investigated him, or raided his house... If he is guilty for being that level of a predator, he knew how to cover his tracks, pay ppl off, not to mention the fact that many of his accusers besides the 2 in the doc. Have said that Michael had a team of ppl that covered stuff up for him and KNEW about what was happening! The details in the doc. Were so heartbreaking to hear and I just dont know why they would come out now to have all of the hate and death threats to them and their family and have to deal with this forever. Money isnt enough to blow up yours and your family's entire life forever imo of course.
Watch entering neverland
What everyone has to take away from this is protection of children. Never let anyone take a child away from adult supervision.
It’s also obvious not a lot of people commenting know or understand the psyche and aftermath of a sexual predator victim. It can take people decades to come to grips with this.
I can’t accept that I’m sorry. It takes you decades to come to grips but when you finally speak out, it only takes a matter of seconds for influencers in the general public to turn on your alleged abuser ? Each time one of these stories come out, the media never questions it and just runs with it.
These folks put in DECADES of hard work to reach the heights they’ve reached in their careers and it could be taken away in a matter of seconds.
Victims have more power than they could ever know now if they just speak up right out of the gate.
I Said What I Said I hope you never have to go through it to understand it but no one can change your mind. Maybe celebrity had an undue influence on you maybe not, either way hope you are well.
It is very very disturbing. That two guys who have a history of lying and perjuring themselves can make a documentary full of trash and people will actually believe it. Now we can just destroy Michael Jackson's legacy because we are stupid enough to believe these two liars? Really really wonderful. @@rhideflory
ann landers Exactly ! Like why go to court anymore ? Let’s just make a documentary that is completely one sided and put it out there in the general public because in the court of public opinion, you are ALWAYS guilty in the court of public opinion. You’ll think people would learn from the Jussie hoax attack last month 🙄
ann landers well if we’re gonna get derogatory I think anyone who doesn’t find it weird that a 30 year old man liked hanging out with boys from ages 7-13 is a moron and I feel sorry for their children. Celebrity warps the thinking of weak minded people; which seems appropriate in your case. Oh but what about Michael’s legacy? Give me a fucking a break. Bet you guys think OJ is innocent too.
I've always been a fan of Roxy and now my respect for her has only increased.
I already knew Macuga and Roxy weren't too bright but they took it to a whole new level talking about this documentary. I expected better from Reilly and lost a lot of respect for him too. I won't even watch Collider Live anymore if Roxy and Macuga are on. I couldn't stand Roxy from the start and thought they should have gotten rid of her a long time ago but they keep her on for some reason. I just don't want to see or listen to these two, I can't handle their stupidity anymore.
I understand where everybody's coming from on this topic, but I disagree with Roxie about putting your head in the sand if you're not watching.
I believed the kids that accused him years ago when they first spoke up, and with what everyone's been saying about this documentary it just reinforces what I thought all along.
@2233Brenda by the way you're the one being racist with your stupid assumption. the fact you're exactly the type of garbage they talk about in this video who are just attacking people who believe the victims.
How y'all gonna call yourselves MJ fans and haven't done any research??!
Exactly
ur the one who hasnt done research. stop your blindness.
So just because you watched it means it is true? Gosh this kind of reasoning is very sickening
K's Creative what makes you think it’s not?
@@giannacrotty8045 Didnt say it was or wasnt. I have seen people make a lot of documentaries n accusations that sounds so convincing when it had no truth. Looking at the documentary, I see a lot of attempt to instigate sadness into the viewers. I didnt see anything that should make people rush to conclude he his guilty or innocent. What i know is this. Its better for a guilty man to be spared than for an innocent man to be wrongfully charged. Unless there is a compelling evidence i regard him as innocent
Maybe the reason it didn't happen to Macauly culkin was because he was too high profile at the time
Or it did happen but he doesnt want to reveal it to the public ....I'm sure it happened to him it must have .
or maybe it was because he is rich and doesn't need anything from Michael.
It didn't happen at all. To anybody. This story is so easily destructed. If people would only take the time to learn. @@deerheart87
Nathan Fuller u did your research then? Please provide receipts? Where r u getting tht information? A TH-cam video, don’t parrot opinions and pretend like you’ve done work to get there. You’re a sheep, think
For yourself.
Exactly he was already famous, he couldn’t impress his parents.
I saw MJ on the Bad tour as well. It makes me physically ill that his travel companion was a little boy :(
Imagine going to court and the prosecutor put on a 4-hour display of disgusting salacious charges against you. Then the jury was dismissed to deliberate with you NOT given a chance to put on your defense case. Of course, you will be found guilty. That's what happened in the court of public opinion to dead Michael Jackson. The easiest target in the world to accuse is the dead. Sad we live in a world so disgusting.
I am so happy to see all of Michaels fans AND none fans in the comment sections doing there research and standing up to this INJUSTICE that is happening right now to Michael Jackson's name. Research is very very important, thank you all for standing up for him. KEEP FIGHTING
Ironically you’re research is just regurgitated Stan talking points that have been disproven countless times lol
@@Nuggetsin4 elaborate
@@LeonsCorner. how many years did the FBI Investigate him?
@@Nuggetsin4 I asked you to elaborate, that is side stepping my question to ask your own question. Come on
@@LeonsCorner. Fact: So far, 5 people (Jordan, Gavin, Jason, Wade and James) have accused Michael Jackson of child sexu\*l abuse. Other children who also spend time with him such as Brett Barnes, Macaulay Culkin and Kieran Culkin, Cory feldman, Omer bhatti, among others, have denied it.**
**Myth: “All potential victims of a sexu\*l abuser will publicly reveal that they were abused by him. If they all don't, it never happened." or “All kinds of child m\*lesters will abuse every child with whom they have contact or have any relationship."**
**Clarification:**
>*“It is important to interview as many potential victims as is legally and ethically possible.* *T****his is especially important in cases involving adolescent boy victims who engaged in compliant behavior, most of whom will deny their victimization no matter what the investigator does***\*.\* *Unfortunately for victims, but fortunately for the investigative corroboration, men who victimize adolescent boys in my experience are the most persistent and prolific of all child m\*lesters.* ***The small percentage of their victims who disclose still may constitute a significant number***.”
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>"*The seduction process begins when the offender finds or sees a potential victim who fits his age, gender, and other preferences. It can be in person or online. It can be a 6-year-old girl or a 14-year-old boy. Child m\*lesters, however, can and do have sex with children and sometimes with adults who may not fit their preferences. A child m\*lester may be experimenting or unable to find a child who fits his preference. Child molesters who prefer adolescent boys sometimes become involved with adolescent girls as a method of arousing or attracting the boys.* ***In addition child m\*lesters may not molest some children to whom they have access and opportunity because the children did not meet their preferences or were not vulnerable to their advances or seduction techniques."***
I have four daughters , I haven’t watched no intention of watching either , the man isn’t here to defend himself there is very little context here at all they had the opportunity to tell their story or at least one of them in court said testimony could have changed the entire case , instead I think its wade testified on Jackson’s behalf.
I believed him then I had no reason not to , he changes his story and I’m supposed to believe you after you admitted that you lied ?
Not saying that Jackson was/is innocent I’m. A father and the boys parents must have been aware at least on some level of the accusations surrounding Jackson and the still allowed their children around him , I would never have let that happen , and I certainly wouldn’t have left my child alone with him , I just wouldn’t have felt comfortable.
The fact that both have apparently tried to sue the estate makes me somewhat skeptical , like I said I’m a father , you haven’t got enough money to buy my daughters off , no amount of money could ever compensate that kind of ordeal .
The two men should take a lie detector test to clear the confusion, and if Michael Jackson did it he's nasty and these men should get an apology for what they went through... If they lied and they should be sued for defermation of character and should be charged for false allegations... There it clears it up either way
There’s nothing to joke about when it comes to children being sexual abused and even worse when the victim wants the abuse. It’s obvious your too much of a fan to have a realistic approach to this issue. Unless you knew MJ personally then there is no reason for you to defend him. Fans don’t have the right to call people liars just because they like who is being accused.
I was hoping after everything that has happened just in the past months that we would start having conversation about how to harmonize victim rights with due process and not immediately jump to conclusions but apparently we haven't. And frankly, I give up at this point, people are going to believe what they're going to believe no matter what, and forget the fact that the presumption of innocence is an inherent human right regardless on what someone may or may not have done.
Paul Rizzo its almost like the docu 'groomed' them and used emotional warfare to make you not think
WOW, I’m now hearing MJ is asexual? I wish he was still alive so defenders could moonwalk their boy child straight on over to his bedroom. Apparently he’s ascended to GOD status and his actions with lil boys cant be questioned. MJ damn sure didn’t have any young girls on the rotation. MJ said he loved all children and adamantly said the most loving thing anyone can do is share the bed with them. Either he didn’t love lil girls or he had a preference for attractive lil boys. That’s an obvious catch 22 and won’t be acknowledged by super fans like yourself.
@@cfluff6716 So being asexual makes someone a God? I don't understand your argument here, do you think asexuality doesn't exist because I can assure you it does. Whether you believe MJ was asexual or not.
Also, asking questions is one thing but making assertions is another, don't conflate the two.
michael is guilty. stop this fence-sitting and pretending to be objective when you clearly havent seen the doc. they address every one of these PR-fabricated points about money, why they lied on the stand, etc etc. the doc is bigger than michael, just as oprah said. the doc is about GROOMING. and u clearly havent seen it to write what you just wrote.
@@sydandtaytum And you clearly haven't been keeping up with news lately to know of the key details that was presented in the doc had already been debunked. Sorry, but Wade and James can give as many explanations as they want, their accusations still have to hold up to scrutiny.
The same reason why people don’t want to watch this is the same reason why it is so hard for these victims to address their problem. We don’t want to think that this is true about Michael and victims don’t want to to think that what happened to them is terrible and true. It is time for this world to be better and face the facts and find the truth yourself.
"there's no benefit for them"
not sure if serious...
If this is the truth then, redemption, people final seeing what he has done and maybe the closest to closure they will ever get...but if its lies then yeah ur right, a lot of money to be gained from this, a lot of money...🤔
fetB that wade dude literally tried to get a book deal around 2012😂
Aren’t they suing the estate for a billion dollars?? Def a benefit for them.
I believe the story. How their families were torn apart and the consistent allegations by several boys throughout Michael's years are too much that can be disregarded. Although, I think it was an incredibly stupid mistake for Wade to have filed that lawsuit for millions of dollars. It is natural for many people to respond to that thinking this whole story is fabricated and financially motivated. And even though they supposedly are not profiting from this documentary, it can be viewed as some type of damage control after their lawsuit was dismissed.
As to Culkin's and Feldman's testimonies, those are totally irrelevant. Just because no abuse happened with them does mean it could not have happened to any of the hundreds of boys that were very close to Michael.
Those boys also came put after his death ans said they lied in fact 2 of the fathers unalived themselves and the families that accused him only went for a civil case not a criminal case 😑 🙄 they wanted money not justice
What about Robson’s relationship with Brandi Jackson which makes his story fall apart? Apparently Michael was preventing Wade from seeing anybody, but according to Brandi and Tito Jackson, Michael arranged a meeting between Wade and Brandi. Afterwards, they dated for more than 8 years.
You guys are forgot the other accuser, Jason. He's the son of Jackson's maid who also accused him. He had been living in the house.
Watch "entering neverland" after watching "leaving neverland".
Also, "Michael Jackson: a case of innocence" is a good rebuttle
If you are like me and don't take anything at face value and like hearing all sides before forming an opion.
I think some people as per the comments below are being completely naive in regard to abuse and the power of the Hollywood star machine back in the day and 'how the ranch was raided and 'nothing was found'.
As one of the guys said in the documentary, ' we don't have megastars like that anymore' and we don't. A lot of people had a lot to loose including some very powerful figures in the entertainment business at the time. Covet ups do happen and we saw this in the UK repeatedly with various very big TV stars of the day back in the pre millennium period and how even the instructions at the time aided and abetted with the star machine.
Given the comments aimed at Josh as an example, whilst the documentary was one sided I don't believe these two guys would have come forward to make 'stuff up', given the hate fuelled rhetoric seem here against Josh which will be far worse for them.
They will also no doubt be on the receiving end of death threats etc
Michael was an extremely talented guy and music speaks for itself.
He had an extremely unusual upbringing and as I said many times in conversation about him, I cannot remember a time even when I was a little kid, that he was not famous. He was always there.
All these things would have had an effect on the person he became and in many ways he was a victim also.
For those attacking Josh, I seriously think you need to reflect on what you say and consider why you deemed this acceptable
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Good job, you watched a made for tv movie. 😎👍
I don't believe he was guilty of anything, I think he was seriously misunderstood and taken advantage of. I may not have all the facts in front of me, but who does when it comes to this sort of stuff?
Andrew Lewis Misunderstood? Really? I think everyone understood very well what he liked to do. These actions of his were not because he was some God like celebrity. They were because of his ill taste for surrounding himself with young attractive boys. He told us he loved all children and the most loving thing to do was to share his bed with them. Except the fact no lil girls ever got into the bed rotation. He either didn’t love lil girls or just had a preference for sleeping with lil boys. That’s not being MISUNDERSTOOD, that’s blatantly telling us years ago what he was into and over the years he even groomed his super fans to not even question this odd behavior. The defenders have all been brainwashed to except this sick “misunderstood” GOD.
How's 1,6 bln for something? They have been trying to sue the estate since 2013/ 2014, using the same lawyers, changing their depositions 4 -5 times...
I respect your opinion but I don't agree. The documentary is very one-sided and omitted A LOT of facts. I also made a video reviewing Leaving Neverland but I included some more research to give insight if anyone wants to check it out!
Harloff trying to keep his texting off camera made me laugh.
When your staring at the sun
It blurs your vision
It feels like the point of Collider is to get together a group of the most ignorant, least informed people available, and have them discuss the latest news and review movies.
Just totally hit the unsubscribe button. They made their decision BEFORE they did their "do diligence" and researched the history of the 2 accusers. Keep unsubscribing and clicking the thumbs down button.
You're in denial.
@@taradv8122 or is it "Dew Diligence" as in drinking a mountain dew before owning or appropriating?
What I don’t understand is why is so many people defending him!! ..they are making excuses for him left and right .. most of these fans defending him don’t even know who this man really is!! If you were to meet someone and find out that “for fun” they hang out with kids.. we’re talking 7-10 year olds and asking their parents if they can sleep over .. and not in a guest room but in HIS room .. and in HIS bed !!.. that is more than odd !!.. what would make any ordinary adult want to have a kid.. and not a relative but a kid they just met sleep over and stay the night in their bed!! That’s all the evidence I need to know this man is not normal!!.. This man was accused.. not once but twice in a trial for accusations of molestation and he CONTINUED to have random kids hang out with him at his house..number 1 if he didn’t do anything wouldn’t he be smart to stop having kids stay the night with him so no more accusations can be filed on him .. and number 2 why didn’t he have cameras all over his house so if something like this would ever happen you have video proof nothing occurred .. this man had more money than he needed .. but he was a sick man who got whatever he wanted .. we shouldn’t be shocked this occurred .. we should be embarrassed that we as fans ignored what was staring us in the face because we wanted to believe he could never be a bad person!! So the super fans can support him and ignore everything as “fake news” but best believe, there is a chance, your praising a pedophile. And no amount of fame can ever allow me to EVER stick up for a possible Pedophile!!
Raider MambaX Something is very very wrong when you get prosecuted for molestation and continue the pattern after. That's addiction. Not to mention his fake marriages to manipulate the media and public perception.
Yup! The amount of people that just want to bury their heads in the sand when it comes to this MJ stuff is INSANE! But hey, that's their prerogative.
@@James-hn7vx and most people bury their head NOT seeing how these 2 are conmen! Why safecheque and his mum smiling??? Why wado never mentions his 10 years relationship with mj s niece age 10-20 ???
So wado was f*** mj s niece but also mj f*** him then wado f*** britney spears and dances till yesterday behind janet jackson!!! Too much wado f*** around no? I hope he didn t f*** us in between im scared now?!
He was weird yeesssss otherwise you dont carry webster lewis in your arms like a BAG no? Or keep bloody xmas decorations for 365 days? But he s not a pedo. It s something different.
I would simply ask these people still defending MJ would they have allow their son WITHOUT HESITATION to spend the night with MJ at Neverland Ranch unsupervised? And do they think it's normal for a grown man to want to have young boys spend the night at his home unsupervised?
🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ I can’t believe this. This is a one sided documentary. That guy was dating Brandy Jackson for 7 years.
Ire Writes yes and the first time you start getting physical with someone is when he should have realized this is something I’ve done before.
NONE OF US WERE EVER THERE!!! Whether Michael was or wasn’t doing the things he is being accused of, we’ll NEVER know because none of us were there.
Like that girl on Twitter said: 'you f*cking roxy!' 'you are brainwashed by this docu!' haha.. Indeed! Just like those other guys in the studio!!!
Everyone should watch The Rageaholics video-- Defaming the Dead: The Michael Jackson Rebuttal (Part 2)
Yes it is excellent. RazorFist knows EVERYTHING there is to know about the accusers and Michael Jackson. And I do mean EVERYTHING.
Baken Bitts that video proves nothing, unless he was in the room than we will never know
tiki freaky by that logic stfu then
Many people are shocked and in denial
That can go both ways.... U hear a detailed story and all of a sudden its proof??.. U ever cry over a movie?
I like Roxy sometimes but saying there is no way this didn't happen is real ignorant.... Like you'd bet your life on it?
You all sound like you were the people at the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Where you there. So do not judge less you be judge because anyone could say the same about anyone of you, who's to say that one or more of you around that table has not abused children or someone. we don't know but anything is possible, it ok to have an opinion but when you say Michael Jackson did this well now you are now judging him with no evidence except lip service from these two men. Did they give you medical paperworK showing abuse, did he tell you which part of Michael body have the a vertiligo Mark's that would be something a child would clearly remember and also question when seen on someone's body. The people who had the evidence found Michael Jackson not guilty so what makes your kangaroo court any better. Do you know a lot of people rap about killing and gangster stuff and never kill or been a gangster in their life's. Lots of people act in movie's writing movie's with horrific sexual abuse scenes but has never experience this in real life. The mind can imagine what it wants to, if it was not so man would have never been on the moon. So to say they didn't make this up you all sounds more than racist, you all sounds dum. Guess what slavery never existed all the black people just all decided to go to America for a holiday and these two men told them that the streets was paved with gold and the streets was so shiny, with diamonds, jules, pearls, everywhere was that descriptive enough for you to believe me or do you need some sort of proof. Just ask your two star victims I'm sure that they could convince you the truth if I didn't.
What Leaving Neverland has really successfully exposed are those people who, were this 350 years ago, would be burning witches at the stake. And that includes every person in this Collider panel.
@Trini B
''Were you there?'' What an argument! Anyone calls rape, a rapist says to the judge: ''Were you there?''. BOOM! Case closed.
@@12Noud then maybe we should not have a court system and because you or I was not there then we should not judge or have an opinion and then it should not ever been talked about because clearly by your school of thought the court system has no value to the world so why you have an opinion after all was you there fool.
+Trini B What are you talking about? I never said the court system was of no value 😂 I'm saying that, from your point of view, the court system would be of no value, because no one else except for the victim and the rapisr were there.
Roxy recently: I believe people.
Antonio Montana she believes the worst in people 😜
This is such a hilariously stupid thing to say. So if two people give differing accounts you believe them both because you "believe people".
Timothy Mwinyella Love your passion! In terms of believing the best people, you should always try to have faith in what people say otherwise the negative and distrustful mindset will kick in which will leave you living a troubling life. However, the most important thing to remember is that there is always 3 sides to every story. There’s one side, there’s the other and there is the truth. Therefore, it’s best to research the allegations behind these two men before coming up with a conclusion otherwise you sound uninformed and foolish 😃
@@satgunam8701b Exactly that. For a crime as serious as child sex abuse, an accusation has to be taken very seriously. This means nothing can be dismissed on either side and everything must be done to find the truth. As such evidence should remain the key factor in judgment
Citizen of Salem.
Also, they are so similar BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS.
red stark there’s no evidence that they corroborated any of their stories. How come y’all are asking for evidence on that huh?
@@giannacrotty8045 they have the same lawyer. its not rocket science
red stark who does?
Is all this true though? Ask yourself please before judging.
Did they mention Wade set up a Go Fund Me account.
Byron Kennedy what happened to critical thinking?
The first child in 1993 described MJ's Penis and it was confirmed accurate in a body exam on MJ by police. He did it.
@@manjon217 if it was accurate why wasn't he convicted?
@@byronkennedy7203 Because it wasn't enough evidence and Michael had enough money to buy a lawyer that would get him out of anything.
@@manjon217 Why do people say stupid things like this? Do you know if that were true that would have constituted corroborating evidence? Meaning there would have been no other rout but a criminal proceeding. His insurance company settled that case in a civil agreement against his legal counsel. In any event, if what you are saying is even
remotely true, that option would not have been available.
I appreciate y'all having this conversation, knowing how rabid the fan base is. Thank you.
I appreciate your commenting. Knowing how you did zero valid research. Thank you.
@@RishiRamlagan lmao that’s the Stan’s go to. “Do your research”. Does that include cringy fan made documentaries or regurgitating the same MJ Stan talking points that have been disproven countless times. 😭🤣
guys... stick to comic book movies. Every word I heard here was a speculation and a lack of education on the subject. Do your research before saying "There's no way this didn't happen."
You do realise both boys made these claims 5 years ago and their cases were thrown out of court?
You forgot to say that those accusers were looking for money. That's why they came out.
not convinced personally, sorry. way too many inconsistencies, plus the mother of all conflicts of interests. when you take all the problematic aspects of these two, that one guy being happy to continue working, wanting a job on the circe du soleil production (actively choosing to have the supposedly trauma inducing predator as an ongoing topic of his professional life), and only when he didnt get it, the year after that he starts trying to sell a tell-all book? and when nobody found it convincing, then trying to quietly sue a shitload of money out of the MJ estate and being rejected by courts? being together with the niece (so much about him being "in love" with the supposed predator), failing to mention any of this, failing to have anyone else tell their view that might not go well with his narrative, to the point where that "kid after him" had to go on twitter and basically tell them "speak for yourself, and take me out of your smear documentary or i will sue you"?
and the other guy only being inspired to "remember" once he saw the first guy on tv talking about a 1,xbil. dollar lawsuit?
plus years of FBI investigation, years of being hunted by that tomforgothisname guy, house raided, all computers taken, and...nothing?
so heres the thing: personally i actually dont care all that much about michael jacksons music or the guy himself. not my genre. but logic alone seems to dictate to me that theres an equally convincing case to be made that, once michael jackson agreed to that settlement in the 90s, he basically told the world "look, heres a method to get a shitload of cash even if i deny all of this". the way things went fit a LOT better into a pattern one would expect from that.
noone will ever know for sure. but since it was those guys decision to move this to the court of public opinion, they cant complain whena significant part of the public says "does not pass smell test". maybe what they say is true, but after years of greed and trying to milk this story for cash they really very much destroyed their own credibility.
That woman is a prime example of why society is the way it is today. "Let's just all blindly everything we hear! I mean, because they said it, it must be true, right? (faceplam) DUH!!!!
Ezzymah1 you described exactly what I was thinking when watching this. The 2 accusers could have been rehearsed with assistance from someone in the psychology field. Look I believe it's entirely possible that Jackson was guilty of child molestation. I just don't believe these two guys.
The MJ worshippers in full effect in the comments. I'm sure more even more stories will come out, and sooner or later you'll have to come to terms with your fandom.
Watch entering neverland.
I watched all 4 hours and I also looked into the other side. Nobody will ever know for sure but there is no evidence presented here.
@@tamapajamas Thats bc judgemental twats dont like evidence or proof they just jump to conclusions bc they don't know how to look at things objectively and hear the full story before forming an opinion..
Im sure you take everything at face value.
@@tamapajamas yet he didnt sleep in the bed he slept on the floor. And my family friends and I have slumber parties for the kids. Its normal unless you have a perverse mind like youself
canned Tuna ........okay, pal. 😂😂😂😂
Anyone remember when MJ went to the Grammy's with Brooke Shields but Webster was on his lap?
lol lol lol haha
I still haven't watched this documentary, but I still have some thoughts. First of all, if your convictions surrounding sexual abuse fall apart the second that a celebrity that you like/admire/respect is accused of such a crime, then you cannot consider yourself an ally. That lack of belief in victims is why so few come forward, and the statistics surrounding false allegations are so low, that it's usually very unlikely that they're lying. Secondly, I remember watching a documentary called "Living with Michael Jackson" on a British television channel (ITV) when I was around 11 or 12 years old. I found the documentary so haunting, creepy, and intense, I stayed up late to finish watching it on the TV set in my bedroom, because it was such a deeply fascinating piece of insight into the life of an - at best - very eccentric man. What I saw, when he spoke about children sharing his bed, displayed evidence to me of the systematic grooming of minors. The way that he told the boy that "if you love me, you'll sleep in the bed", and the way the boy was so disturbingly (physically) close to him. This was before Jackson was taking to court the second time on allegations of sexual assault of minors. I remember the day the verdict was passed, and hearing that he'd been acquitted of all charges, and it made me sick. I've never felt so sure in my life than I did that an injustice took place in that courtroom. Also, in the initial vote, three members of the 12 person jury believed he was guilty. One juror stated he only changed his vote because he didn't feel they could prove it to the point of being "beyond reasonable doubt".
In conclusion, it is not unusual for victims of abuse, especially those who have been groomed, to display an element of strong loyalty to their abusers, and even to feel love and affection for them. It's very similar to the sort of psychological effects of Stockholm Syndrome on prisoners of war. Also, habitual groomers often groom the parents of their intended victims before even beginning with the child themselves, which is why so often they are able to get away with their behaviour. I hear some people say that "no true victim" of abuse would accept money in out-of-court settlements if they were truly victims, but often it was the families of the victims settling, and their may be instances where a victim feels it is the least they're owed for essentially being traumatised to the point it could ruin their life. In retort, I pose to you a similar strawman argument of asking "what innocent person would pay off their accuser if they really didn't do anything?", it's the same moral dilemma. Finally, we also have to remember that many victims of trauma and abuse actually build mental blocks in their own minds, erasing their memories of the things that happened to them. Often they don't recall their abuse until it's unlocked through some pretty intense therapy years later. In other words, for many of the reasons shown here, just because one of his victims claimed he wasn't molested when asked previously, doesn't mean he wasn't.
What makes people think a pedophile victimizes every kid they spend time with lol
There were parts left out that Wade was seeing Micheal's niece and never mentioned that the whole DocumentaryI cannot believe these men would never have talked to anyone the whole time this supposed abuse happened.Mothers must not have even checked their children.
This is classic CSA psychology. You guys kill me with your reasoning. “Omg he acted just like a victim of CSA abuse, therefore he’s lying !” So stupid and ignorant shm
You are misquoting the documentary...go back and watch it again....wade Robinson was not threatened the second time...he did not want to testify because he was in love with Michael...his mother asked him if anything happened between them and he told her no. The mother told him that he had to defend Michael because he would not survive in jail. So that's why he did it the second time. It was zachek (spellcheck) who was threatened but still told him no...go back and watch the documentary....
Wouldn’t wade be in trouble of going to jail since he said MJ didn’t do anything in 2005?
Yep
I wondered this too
Robert Aguirre I watched all 4 hours and still conflicted, idk how these dudes are totally on the accusers side
@@Ares-yt8yl see theres too many allegations for me go hes 100% innocent he did something to someones kid but my question is who did this to him as a child? cause idk the psychology of a child predator but it had happen to him and the stuff he told the kids were told to him as a child
U mean lying under oath???
5 people in that room and absolutely none of you have a clue of the facts.
Here's the thing, it's easy to crucify someone after they are gone and unable to defend themselves, and this documentary is heavily one sided, so forgive me for keeping my scepticism.
People are delusional if they think these families aren't really destroyed and telling the truth. Still love the music though.
Joseph Riley How so? Based on what? Testimony?
@@wut-dah_7212 I know it's just my opinion but I believe these families. I know it's one sided.
Collider Live- Thank you for speaking on such a difficult topic. I know you are getting slammed relentlessly by viewers' comments because Michael Jackson is so beloved and people do not want to believe this could have happened, but as a Family Counselor who has worked with kids and families victimized by sexual assault and years of sexual grooming, almost always by trusted people to the victims, I know how important it is to increase social awareness on this issue. I've worked with kids for almost two decades, but it wasn't until my current position where I truly started to understand how insidious and deeply rooted the process of manipulation of children and young adults goes for the purposes of sexual assault. And it's not just the intended target or targets that get manipulated. Anyone around that target in a position of any kind of authority will become part of the process of manipulation as well. Sexual predators are, more often than not, masterful tacticians when it comes to getting what they want. I have not yet watched the documentary, but plan to do so with as much of an open mind from all perspectives as I possibly can. If Michael Jackson is guilty of these crimes, a big part of the push-back you and anyone who believes so is getting from the public is the difficulty in accepting that WE ALL were victims of manipulation by someone we wanted to trust and adored. Again, thank you for the courage to talk about this issue. And to anyone who wants to drown out discussion about this documentary who has not seen it yet, I would say, if you truly are passionate about this, watch the documentary first with an open mind as well, and then take some time afterward to reassess your thoughts and opinions. You may even learn something that could help you prevent someone you care about from being victimized in this way.
You are a "family counselor"? That's a joke. You should have advised people to FIRST do the research on Wade Robson and James Safechuck. Then watch the. "documentary" if you feel like watching kiddie porn. Because that really is what it is. You need to go back to school. You are way too biased so that you are blinded by FICTION.
There’s nothing to joke about when it comes to children being sexual abused and even worse when the victim wants the abuse. It’s obvious your too much of a fan to have a realistic approach to this issue. Unless you knew MJ personally then there is no reason for you to defend him. Fans don’t have the right to call people liars just because they like who is being accused.
@@cfluff6716 its NOT
THE FACTS THAT WE are
FANS!!!!!! It's all about
Doing full RESEARCH
about the entire Timeline & storylines that these 2
Are lying about..and
What WADE is leaving out!! Just GOOGLE
BRANDI JACKSON's
Side of the story..yes
She was dating wade..for
8 years....& that would
Ruin his TIMELINE;so
Called MJ MOLESTING
HIM.......U SIR..have 2 do
Full RESEARCH B4U
JUDGE A DEAD MAN!!!!
I am not a Michael Jackson fan - I actually got more interested in the man in the past few weeks than I've been my whole life - but I agree with those who say that "Leaving Neverland" is completely pointless and possibly even malign. Not only it's utterly one-sided (with the director himself stating "What's the point of interviewing someone who says that Micheal Jackson was a good person?" - yeah, he really said that), but it doesn't have any fact or evidence to back up its claims. Just because someone says something happened doesn't make it true and that's all there is in the 4+ hour film: people saying stuff. The only "evidence" is the ring Jackson allegedly gave Safechuck, which bears no inscriptions, has not been examined by anybody, could've been bought anywhere and, if you look carefully, the guy's fingers are too small to actually fit it NOW at 40. On the other hand, we have two accusers who tried to get more than a billion dollars from the Jackson's estate in 2016, only to have the judge throw the case out of court (it's all true - you can fact check it as much as you want). That's fishy, to say the least.
Very well done Roxy...I watched earlier LIVE, and thought u steered this very tough segment eloquently
no it wasn't well done. she talked from a point of view that was, is, and always has been false. She basically tried to get everyone who hadn't seen it... to believe what was said. she is the absolute worst and there is a reason I never liked her, even on Screen Junkies.
It's just a terrible shame that one of the greatest musical genius and
kindest, gentlest souls to walk the planet is now going to go down in
history with the besmirched reputation of 'maybe' and completely
unproven pedophile - all thanks to the dubious testimony of a man who
has completely changed his allegiance to Michael after 2 nervous
breakdowns and a failed career. It is perfectly possible that Robson is
sick, confused and broke, and now the Jackson family will have to live
with this dreadful reputation forever. I am boycotting HBO for making
money from this outrageous nonsense. The man was proven innocent on all
14 counts in 2005 - if your in any doubt, go check out what the 2005
jury, Spike Lee and Tom Meserau all have to say in their interviews.
It's terrible that this has been allowed re-surface against all proof
again, and again, and again....