Truly witnessing a remarkable moment in history right now
We will see soon wether this truly is a remarkable thing, or just a side note. But it sure is interesting to follow..no doubt this could be big.
It’s not a coup, it’s a [Cancelled] special leadership change
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Hmmm, it was a suicide mission. He’ll need more support from other russian oligarchs & other nations for a successful Coup D’etat…
“There is no honor among thieves”
It's already over😆😆😆 He is retreating and left the city and is on his way back to his barracks. His men felt Russian planes and made other planes. Took the low hanging fruit offered by Belarus
Nicolo Machiavelli once says that mercenaries are the worst type of troops that a prince of any nation can rely on.
This reporter is very smart
Asking the right questions!
Great job❤
2015 - Putin: It is not a war
2023 - Progoghin: It not a mutiny
@@joelmiller5897then why is Russia losing land to two different rebel groups?
Well this is one way for Russia to exit Ukraine without admitting defeat.
I think admitting defeat would've been better because now the whole world sees they can't even defend their own territory.
There is no mutiny. Pregozhin just wants to resolve his grievances. There have been no firefights as it's still relatively peaceful. There will be negotiations and this will fizzle out.
Well this can happen when you have private armies beside the national army.
Exactly. Other countries often call them private militias - and all too often they are bad news.
This is where the 3 billion dollars from the irs got sent to 😂 sorry America you list again
Putin surprised that mercenaries turn out to be mercenary!
But they're not fighting as mercenaries. They're fighting as loyalists to Prigozhin now. If they were fighting for money, Putin could just pay them off.
"We will Crush Wagner" said Putin on his way to his bunker in the Ural Mountains clutching a map of 17th century Russia and tears in his eyes.
This situation is very similar to a game of chess where Putin opens space to a direct check-mate against his own king, in the meantime adverts the Queen not to take advantage of his weakness to come forward and destroy his kingdom.
Putin stop it less than 24h, that show how good he is😂
2021: Russia the 2nd best military in the world
2022: Russia the 2nd best military in Ukraine
2023: Russia the 2nd best military in Russia
That fizzled quickly...
Great guest. Love your channel
I'm impressed. This reporter asked all the best questions. Usually they just ask general questions with no insight.
@@admiralbosch2851Not because of that European and American reporters are biased . He is an African and in touch with reality! They don't sugar coat things and prefer to know the truth rather take sides
Its already stopped. I can already see the disappointment everywhere
The dog forgetting who his master is and biting it’s master.
It's like having a tiger for a pet and now you're surprised it's behaving like a real tiger.
@@Rod732 In the case of Russia and their leadership, the murderers are dating murderers and the tigers are associating with other wild animals while also putting their trust in them. This fate was hard to avoid.
Putin is 24 hrs from applying for NATO membership.
No! He's about twelve hours before applying asylum in Timbuctu, Mali, northwest Africa.
this is troubling.
The element of surprise. Hopefully civilians will be alright.
It's not a mutiny, it's a change in management.
the USA if it cannot use force, will use a puppet to attack a targeted country from inside like Nixon with Shah Iran to replace Iran PM Saddaghe or General Soeharto to replace Soekarno or Guaido to replace Maduro.
Not a fan of Prigozhin, but got to respect the balls on that guy.
No turning back for Prigo . He needs to go through with this now. All the way to Moscow and knock on Putin's door.
Yeah, I am sure Putin needs DW to tell him what his options are.
It's amazing how history always repeats itself... these leaders just don't learn their lessons
there's always some chump that thinks they can do it better or yield better results
The problem with this is that millions or billions suffer because of "leaders" like them so much more than the "leaders" ever will!
True, but many civilians make the same mistake. Russia has a history of putting a “fatherly” strong man in power. Their mindset and the common corruption prevents democracy from blossoming. Having Prigozjin in power is just more of the same for the Russians.
Prigozin is not against Putin, but against Shoigu and bad military desisions.
Prigozhin had ben complaining but Moscow had been ignoring his warnings. This guy means what he says
@@laughingoutofdepression8093 It would be a good thing for Wagner to have control of the nukes.....
It’s already over, I went to the bathroom came out and it was already over.
This can backfire on a world stage. Depending on how far Putin will go to make sure he remains in power and his tools he can use (jets, tanks and nukes). Leaders that are backed in a corner will take very unreasonable measures.
@@pasindubandara9164 Yeah...saw that pop up recently. Funny how short that went though it shows that Putin still holds all the cards regardless.
@@ErebusXanti some people really belived 5000 mercenaries can took over kremlin 😆
One can only hope, but then again horde mentality somehow works. Russia 🇷🇺 has that mentality running strong. 5000 men can easily be destroyed with superior firepower.
@@pasindubandara9164 it was ~25k. And they've come close to the Moscow without any resistance. + significant parts of military and police were willing to join them.
This is what happens when you use chaos and corruption as management tools.
@@Tititateo63keep a stiff upper lip as evidence beats you about the head and neck.
@@Tititateo63 hey Z lover Moscow is next. Wagner just took another major Russian city 😂😂😂😂. Progozhin proved he is better than Putin
@@gerrylee1687 Soon Moscow will be called New Prigozhia lol. The trolling value of this situation is monumental.
It is not a coup, it is a special military operation
Ya after the coup That progizene didn't said he would the operation in Ukraine....now think what would happen a maniac like that takes power...Putin still don't used his air force neither be attacked kiev...
Putin stopped it in 2 hrs 😂😂
What can go wrong will go wrong. Wowzers.
I bet Putin is screaming: "I don't need ammunition, I need transportation!"
@@julianshepherd2038 Napeleon lived 200 years ago. Taking Moscow nowadays means losing the war in ukraine in the first place. then shattering russia in the second. If Napoleon would ve hold Moscow while the russian army was in ukraine europe would be french until now.
Unfortunately authority in Russia can be transmitted only in two ways: by inheritance or by a coup.
@@che8866power has been inherited in the Russian government the last two hundred years from the tzars, Soviet Union until today they were picked not elected.
When power becomes an excessive force this will be the ultimate outcome
Yall got played yall do realize its a big scene to divert attention away and confuse your adversary 😂
Don't ever depend on mercenaries to fight for you in a war
The US has used PMCs on a large scale, too. I think it's a question of the level of autonomy given, ability to undertake independent action, and political risks associated with the leadership. It is also a question of stability within the military. If Blackwater took out an American General, I can't imagine anything good happening for them. If Wagner took out Shoigu, one could almost imagine that their word might become truth.
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Putin:👁️👄👁️
We can witness a historic moment in Russian history.
This is not a coup, this is an impromptu private military parade.
Putin (2022): This is not a war
Prigozhin (2023): "This is not a coup"
Putin and Prigozhin. An exact copy of what happened in Sudan.
You obviously aren't fluent with Russian history. It's happened over and over again in the past. Yawn.
''''Never interfere with an enemy while he is in the process of destroying himself.''
Napoleon
''Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.''
Voltaire
Whoever gave Putin the Game Of Thrones box set for Christmas, has a lot to answer for.😡
@@jrkr7357 the presidential plane already left Moscow but of course Putin is still in the Kremlin, sure lol^^
@@jrkr7357Of course...that is why there are all the massive safety precautions...the two criminals are now at each other's throats...this can only benefit Ukraine.
This is playing out like a Command & Conquer campaign
Oh boy!
Perfect timing to take control of Russia. This Prigozhin dude is a genius.
Sadly he is still against Ukraine. Cry more after he dealt with putin
Winnie the Pooh is pissing himself and thinking a 100 times before even touching Taiwan after this 🤣
Most interesting 4D chess game ever witnessed in modern times. One for the history books. Amazing.
You create a monster and expect not to bite you.
Well to be fair they ordered arty to attack it twice and with helicopters once to try finish them. So they made the monster, it started speaking uncomfortable truths to their people, then they tried to execute it and failed resulting in it biting them.
Best counter offensive ever
Damn, Zelenskyy managed to make Wagner turn on Russia and is now close to Moscow!
Slave Ukrainian! /s
the USA if it cannot use force, will use a puppet to attack a targeted country from inside like Nixon with Shah Iran to replace Iran PM Saddaghe or General Soeharto to replace Soekarno or Guaido to replace Maduro.
I knew they would become the scapegoat! I just knew it
Really interesting to observe how politicians can easily start a war and lead their own people to die in a meaningless civil war. This is again, another demonstration for other countries to learn from.
There's no going back after a decision like this. There will be a winner and a loser.
There is a very real possibility of nuclear force being used.
As cheap as hope is... Let's hope that doesn't happen.
The irony that Kyiv was supposed to fall in three days and now it's reasonable enough to discuss the possibility of Moscow falling within three days. 😂
Prighozhin seriously still doesn't understand that Putin was only using him as a lackey boy and now regard him as enemy?
Well, its not like they can use air strikes to stop em.
Voronezh to Moskva is about 320 miles. That is 6 hours by military truck. Prigozhin can be in Red Square by Sunday.
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That would be bad for Ukraine. Wagner is actually competent. Better they be crushed and let the Shoigu clown car parade continue.
@@johnq4951 wagner will offer peace. they are mercenary they can be bought.
@@QWERTY-gp8fd Wagner can also offer nukes as a gift to Ukraine.
They will be dictators while Putin is democratically elected. Dictators responsible for multiple war crimes in the past wars.
They are not doing this for Ukraines shake, they are doing it cause they want to actually take Kiev in 3 days. BTW, Putin never said that they are going to take Kiev, this was a western popular belief.
Kiev can fall in Russian hands in 3 days if the Russian command is interested enough and does not care about civilian deaths. Ask America about how to end a war with nukes, they have experience.
From Putin's chef to Putin's chief.
@@chumpthetraitor7331 Trump isn't even president anymore and you're still obsessed, lol.
hope to see good news like this breaking more and more
For the last year, I have been getting my news from Europe and Australia. It is a shame how my country news can not be trusted anymore. I am from Houston, Texas.
48 hours? They moved from Rostov-on-Don to Voronezh in about 3 hours and that is half way to Moscow. I don't think he has 48 hours left.
@@jonvelde5730I mean if the Wagner group takes control of Moscow city itself Putin might aswell be dead
Yevgeny second course is being served up.
He said “bloody war”. What war isn’t bloody.
Even if Prigozhin is a criminal, at least he is honest with his own people.
@@systemicthinkingcomparing to butcher of Syria, Assad, he seems like little dog
How can someone be honest when he is imperiling his own motherland by dividing it?
What a Western Woke delusion! 😂😂😂😂
Putins stare is so dead. Somewhere deep he also knowns that this are going really bad..
President Zelensky: I don't need a ride, I need ammo. Putin: Where is my ride? I am getting out of here.
LMAO! I think you left out one option!
Never arm criminals... they will eventually turn on you and consume you... when they realize how powerful they have become with the resources you have given them... and when they notice how weak you are without them... Lesson to learn!
But the Ukraine IS lead by criminals too! Aaaand they are well equipped by NATO. When do you think Ukraine will turn over?
The USA has also had a couple of experiences like that, just remember Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden and they for sure aren't the only ones.
Well in an authoritarian govt where there’s lots of niche laws and whatnot and pretty much everyone is walking on eggshells, everyone becomes a criminal at some point. It’s inevitable.
Who makes the wind will get the storm. 💙💛
Just sitting back eating my popcorn 🍿
This is a concerning lose - lose situation; I'm bit concerned about Russia being nuclear weapon state & losing control of such weapons.
Vladolf: "If I want, I take Kyiv in three days!"
Prigoz: "If I want, I take Moscow in three days!"
@@augustinogeorgecloete8050 ,
pal, who said that?
Have you any difficulty to read, pal?
I've written that Prigoz is not a suitable leader for Russia, not a suitable person to control the russian nuc weapons.
Prigozhin still has 20k troops in Africa all with combat experience, if it kicks off i think he stands a very good chance of wining , That is what his people do for a living they actually fight wars, instead of military exercises with winnie the pooh and friends.
Where does Prigo get his weapons? The best soldiers cant do anything without ammo and that is finite for Wagner without RA
@@jamesmcdougal2 they're just another branch of the Russian military, get most of their weapons from the same places, and had access to the same weapon and ammo stockpiles spread throughout Russia. Different branding to give Russia plausible deniability (e.g. those little green men in 2014) but they're part of the Russian establishment, and most of their commanders and their best people are veterans of the standard Russian military.
even if he manages to "march on moskow", its not like he could take over russia, the international community will never accept this warlord as russias führer!
so whoever of these angry ond man grabs power, russia is fugged in any case!
It’s not an armed mutiny. It’s a limited military operation…
Putin: I dont need ammunition, I NEED A Ride!!!
DW in 2022: "Ukraine has 72 hours."
DW in 2023: "Putin has 48 hours."
This is a no win situation for Putin (and a win for the rest of us).....if he backs down he looks weak, if he tries to fight it will distract from Ukraine and he will lose that war.
hey dumb dumb wagner has 25 thousand troops they would be crushed in 48 hours
My dream outcome is that Putin and Prigozhin have a heart to heart talk, Shoigu goes away and Prigozhin heads the Russian military 👌🏻
"We're not paid enough for this ish"
- Mercs
Perfect situation for Ukraine to push more their counter offensive
Push counter offensive and work out deal with Wagner while Wagner overthrows putin
Yes a perfect situation with a major mutiny of very disgruntled mercenaries that is in too good timing with Ukraine's major counteroffensive.
I don't see this as a coincidence. I see this as fantastic work with preparations going on for months by the CIA. Yes the Wagner Group has all the motives to end the war. They were dying in droves. They were abandoned and they are mercenaries of which many are released violent criminals from prison.
I think the only thing they lacked in motivation for rising against Putin was enormous sums of money. They will likely get that from the CIA and the Wagner leaders probably have some of their foreign bank accounts filled up with at least tens of millions of dollars, if not hundreds of millions.
The Aagner Group has not only left the war. It has occupied the main logistics hub of the Russian armed forces fighting in Ukraine. That means that the Russians will soon lack, food, ammunition, spare parts and reinforcements for their troops. Since the main Russian military HQ was seized by Wagner, the Russian forces will receive very few operational and strategic orders from their generals.
This means that the Russian fron could collapse within weeks or even days.
Was all this simply extremly bad luck and extremly bad timig for Putin? Or was it an extremly well planned and well funded operation by the U.S. Intelligence Community?
I think the latter. This single act of the Wagner group will save so many men, resources and time for the Ukrainians. It is either a generals wet dream come true, or it was an ingenious subversive intelligence operation.
Might be better for Ukraine to pause ... and let Putin pull out all his troops to protect his position in Moscow. Victory by enemy leaving.
really won't matter, they have too much bodies, despite the "alleged" heavy losses. Ukraine is stretched thin, don't tell me you believe the biased media likes of cnn msnbc etc? 🤣
0:32 shows the people of Rostov are warmly welcoming Prigozhin's freedom forces, they were received as national heros
that is actually true. Prigozhin has much more support from russian zombies, than Putler does
@@julianshepherd2038you are acting like the western leadership are saints.
Deception is the name of the game
Well that escalated quickly.😂😂😂
Russia's Army is now the 2nd best military force in Russia!
Russia has 100,000s of guys doing yearly conscription in Russia and a small professional force. So might be 1st
2021: Russia 2nd best military in the world
2022: Russia the 2nd best military in Ukraine
2023: Russia the 2nd best military in Russia
😂
It's the exaggeration of media to attract readers. I think this Wagner problem it's a piece of cake for Putin.
@@geofreygatuma1771 Funny 😂 but regular Russian army stuck in Ukraine
@@geofreygatuma1771 yes they can if the Russian army is Ukraine.. correction they will defeat the regular Russian army
Putin..... Prigozhin..... Time to settle this on the dance floor!
Breakdance fight!
Let's get funky! 🕺🕺
I don’t know why but to me its just relocation of assets
Can’t Wait to See Putin taking the
Window Route. 😂
So appreciative of DW. As an American I needed a trust worthy news source.
democracy now i not bad either since they fund themselves. German media has its own problems but at least they stay mostly factual.
Cut it out all please
I know I'm saying that after it is a fait accompli but, ultimately, after Putin's tough talk, this will make Putin appear weak to the Russian people. If part of the deal is replacing Shoigu and Gerasomov, it will make Putin appear even weaker.
It doesn't make Prigozhen look terribly strong either.
Except . . . I'd like to understand more how Prigozhen took over the Southern Command.
Are there elements of the Russian military who sympathize with Prigozhen and his critiques? If so, that has the chance of being a game changer.
I pray that the ordinary people of Russia who are just going about their lives will remain safe through this difficult time.
They supported this and now Will reap what they sow. Russia Will be broken up just like the sovjet union
well.... that ended quick. so much for getting your hopes up. lol
This is a lot of fun to watch
Prigozhins troups are already in Voronezh! Soon they are in Moscow! Maybe tonight. That escalated fast. Good for Ukraine. The enemy is distracted due to infighting.
@@samgibson684at-least now they can be expendable for a cause they actually believe in
The best scenario would be that Wagner gets crushed but that during the process, the Russian armed forces gets weakened and gets defeated decisively in Ukraine.
yeah but whats the probability for that outcome considering what we know about the russian military? If the wagner convoys of prigozhin are not attacked by fighter jets and it comes to urban warfare in moscow then Putin is done.
I am hopeful Prigozhin wants to be a liberal leader. To reshape Russia in his image, he needs liberal support for the narrative.
It's not an armed mutiny. It's a special leadership review.
😂😂😂😂
Hhhhhhhh, special operation number what again, I can keep up with lies of Putin,oh!, "combat measures", lady's and Gents,we have a new one fro putin---combat measure.
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A democratic election, with votes counted in bullet holes?
Funniest one yet haha