The ecstasy of Concrete Music explained by an enthusiastic man from the BBC, anno 1979. Oh, and there's a visual representation of the sounds being speed up, slowed down or played in reverse. Perfection.
I lived through those days when we had to use spicing block, razor blades (and bandages) in the studio. We sometimes called it "music by the inch". I am eternally grateful for digital sound editors.
Likewise artists such as Pauline Oliveros across the Atlantic were working with tape in similar ways , anticipating more recent forms of electronic music
To me they were more pioneers of super proto industrial music. The found sounds, objects, sound manipulation. All stuff TG did years later and founded a label for this style of music
It`s funny when most people today still think that Music and Sound are different. Music is just a combination of vibrating sounds. And Musique Concrete shows that :)
I agree. Having produced some Musique Concrete tracks in the past, I'd say that it is both frustrating and fun how one must search for sounds that reflect the style that one desires from unconventional sources. It ends up feeling like a giant musical puzzle.
Very cool... one of the best demonstrations of tape music, music concrete I've seen. Back in Seattle, we had Soundwork Studio, late 70's and early 80's... Several of us spent a million hours or so creating tape pieces. Fun video, thanks.
@ That's so cool! I will check out your channel and give them a listen. I'm new to musique concrete, but I find it so fascinated... I'm diving into any which way I can. It was just yesterday that I came across a TEAC reel-to-reel, and I said to the owner that I'd be back for it. I'd love to hear more about _'million_ _hours_ _creating_ _tape_ _pieces'_ and tips/advice you'd have for a newbie!
Many thanks for this. I found this programme very inspirational for the creative sound artist, and also quite enjoyable to watch Michael Rodd explain tape techniques. Much appreciation!
The thing about musique concrete is this stuff is pretty much the prototype for sampling. Sure, Cage wrote pieces involving turntables and radios that were also kinda proto-sampling, but this stuff really is sampling before that was even considered a thing. Except what was being sampled was field recordings, and everything was done by hand. You couldn't run a sampler through a synth and do all the editing from the sampler like you can now. You have to physically manipulate this stuff yourself.
How the f-ck is it the prototype of sampling? With sampling, you're simply stealing somebody else's music, often without giving any credit to the artist. The video describes recording your own sounds and then manipulating the recording tape. It is possible to use samples of another artist's work creatively and legitimately, but often sampling is simply theft carried out by the creatively impaired.
@@profd65 sampling has always been a thing a thing. Back in the 1500s, churches would often steal a melody of a popular song and use it as a base line. They did this so much, they even gave it a name.
Oh, God - back in the days when "cut & paste" meant just that - marking the tape with a grease pencil, cutting with nonmagnetic ceramic shears, taping it back together, all while hoping for the best. There was no "UnDo" - at best, a "ReDo", if you were working with a 2nd generation copy... I first encountered musique concrete back in the early 1970s - freshly degreed, with disposable income for the first time in my life, I'd spend Saturday mornings perusing the cutout bins at the "record store" (q.v.) for "albums" (q.v.) to play on my "turntable" (q.v.). I chanced upon a Nonesuch recording of musique concrete by Iannis Xenakis - and it blew me away, destroying all of my preconceived notions of what music had to be.
Many thanks Yuran, There are two BBC Documentaries actually - "The New Sound of Music" 1979 - used here, and "The Alchemists of Sound" 2003 - that features the mysterious man in the background. I haven't been able to source who he is though. Thanks!
Sometimes it's so fascinating that it makes me want to make music in some... experimental or gimmick-y way. I thought it was only for creepy kind of music, but I guess not. I'll see.
with the alarm clock and the the beat counter thing all getting faster and the weird noise that the tape recorder makes looks like it should be in a horror movie
So this is what tape splicing is. I heard all about this about had no idea what it actually was until now. Wow so cool! You can literally do this exact technique via Audacity- without the fuss of physical tapes. Would be fun to do it authentically at some point, though.
You should look into how Delia Derbyshire made the first Doctor Who theme. Its crazy. they would work out how many inches of tape made, say, a bar of music and then at the right moment play another tape loop to interact with that which was 3/4 bar so was ever changing. She made that whole theme with no synthesizers!
Hello, I have posted in four parts "The New Sound of Music" - the documentary from which this excerpt came. Have a look. If you still need anything extra, just contact me.
Thank you. I was curious as to what exactly is musique concréte because The Mars Volta use it on various occasions, but I didn't really understand until now. Truth is that I have already been planning to make music this way, but I've been calling it "noise music".
The ecstasy of Concrete Music explained by an enthusiastic man from the BBC, anno 1979. Oh, and there's a visual representation of the sounds being speed up, slowed down or played in reverse. Perfection.
Couldn't have put it better....like he even said wouldn't be the first. Mind blown 😅
I lived through those days when we had to use spicing block, razor blades (and bandages) in the studio. We sometimes called it "music by the inch". I am eternally grateful for digital sound editors.
Yeah however innovative at he time it must have been likes building a car out of coconuts.
Durn right.
All tv presenters should talk like this chap. BBC English.
People were high as fuck in the 60s
Musique Concrete = Acid Rock. Both types of music you'd be tripping out listening to.
look up zoolook by jean micheal jarre, basically an acid trip in an album
This is from 1979
+BananaPhoPhilly Musique Conrete started in 1928.
Steve Goyne The video is from 1979
Oh my god I am so sampling this video.
+Zachary Peterson me 2
+intrnationldarkskies me 3
Me 4.
E/ M /S
But I still say they're flowers.
If you'd like.
Do sell em?
I'm afraid not.
Well maybe we can make a deal.
Same story: whenever you get a new technology, you get people willing to take things to a wholly different and experimental level. Brilliant!
The presenter is Michael Rodd, who used to present Tomorrow's World and Screen test on the BBC back in the 1970's. Great clip.
Musique Concrète was created in France as early as in the 40s, sort of making Pierre Schaeffer and Pierre Henry the pioneers of electronic music !
Exactement! 👍
Likewise artists such as Pauline Oliveros across the Atlantic were working with tape in similar ways , anticipating more recent forms of electronic music
To me they were more pioneers of super proto industrial music. The found sounds, objects, sound manipulation. All stuff TG did years later and founded a label for this style of music
The perverse pleasure on his face at 0:50 "Quite different sounds"
im glad i wasn't the only one to notice xD
😏🎶🎵😖💦
He looks very intrigued.
You can hear his barely suppressed enjoyment
These simple sounds may not seem like much, but one single note added to a song for atmospheric effect can create something that is a work of genius.
I became interested in Musique Concrete after I took an experimental music class. I like how they provided examples of Musique Concrete in this video.
It`s funny when most people today still think that Music and Sound are different. Music is just a combination of vibrating sounds. And Musique Concrete shows that :)
I agree. Having produced some Musique Concrete tracks in the past, I'd say that it is both frustrating and fun how one must search for sounds that reflect the style that one desires from unconventional sources. It ends up feeling like a giant musical puzzle.
I almost forgot to say. That music does also have expression. So vibrating sounds+expression is music.
Do you make musique concrete? :)
@@lars38010 good point. I'm crunching a donut right now and it sounds soooo good
that bottle beat at the end is fire
Very cool... one of the best demonstrations of tape music, music concrete I've seen. Back in Seattle, we had Soundwork Studio, late 70's and early 80's... Several of us spent a million hours or so creating tape pieces. Fun video, thanks.
do you still have the tape pieces?!
@@csnerd21 I do. I have a few of them here on TH-cam on my channel. And... several boxes of reel to reel tapes.
@ That's so cool! I will check out your channel and give them a listen. I'm new to musique concrete, but I find it so fascinated... I'm diving into any which way I can. It was just yesterday that I came across a TEAC reel-to-reel, and I said to the owner that I'd be back for it.
I'd love to hear more about _'million_ _hours_ _creating_ _tape_ _pieces'_ and tips/advice you'd have for a newbie!
Last tune was top-notch.
Many thanks for this.
I found this programme very inspirational for the creative sound artist, and also quite enjoyable to watch Michael Rodd explain tape techniques.
Much appreciation!
The thing about musique concrete is this stuff is pretty much the prototype for sampling. Sure, Cage wrote pieces involving turntables and radios that were also kinda proto-sampling, but this stuff really is sampling before that was even considered a thing. Except what was being sampled was field recordings, and everything was done by hand. You couldn't run a sampler through a synth and do all the editing from the sampler like you can now. You have to physically manipulate this stuff yourself.
Prince Aligorna Like Roger Waters did on 'Meddle' and 'Dark Side of the Moon'?
*****
Exactly! Or I think the Beatles had to do with "Revolution #9"
Prince Aligorna As much as I know, Waters and Syd Barrett started the trend in England. But Frank Zappa used musique concrete on his earlier albums.
How the f-ck is it the prototype of sampling? With sampling, you're simply stealing somebody else's music, often without giving any credit to the artist. The video describes recording your own sounds and then manipulating the recording tape. It is possible to use samples of another artist's work creatively and legitimately, but often sampling is simply theft carried out by the creatively impaired.
@@profd65 sampling has always been a thing a thing. Back in the 1500s, churches would often steal a melody of a popular song and use it as a base line. They did this so much, they even gave it a name.
Awesome stuff!!! So many cool sounds to play with!
gives me the warm fuzzies inside
jesus christ i love music, i love noise, i love sound, i love the waves reverberating through my ears
May I recommend you Shintō Machina music project? You should try some of his tunes.
Thanks a million for uploading this, I now have to locate the entire documentary :-)
BaddaBigBoom The New Sound Of Music 1979 Part 1
Welcome to level infinity
Baron Black Music Welcome
hello my friend (:
because lvl 1-6 are for losers
so glad I wasn't the only one who searched all level infinity music, sound like what Ross in FRIENDS used to "play"
Imagine being in a tuning ever
I'm socially disattached from social dogma
+Sasha Brannon omg other 9gagger
Well, hello there.
nope, level infinite.
I felt I was alone.
Yet I've found some people who've disconnected themselves from the material world.
All rejoice in the hands of the golden empress.
DeathTimer Fuck the golden empress, GLORY TO THE GOD EMPEROR!
It's been seven years since I first saw this video and last had any contact with the material world
Tune at 4:30 sounds a little like the opening of the Futurama theme tune !
NO LONGER IN NEED OF ANY CONTACT WITH THE MATERIAL WORLD
is this a quote
4:28 The primordial version of the Futurama Theme song.
Oh, God - back in the days when "cut & paste" meant just that - marking the tape with a grease pencil, cutting with nonmagnetic ceramic shears, taping it back together, all while hoping for the best. There was no "UnDo" - at best, a "ReDo", if you were working with a 2nd generation copy...
I first encountered musique concrete back in the early 1970s - freshly degreed, with disposable income for the first time in my life, I'd spend Saturday mornings perusing the cutout bins at the "record store" (q.v.) for "albums" (q.v.) to play on my "turntable" (q.v.). I chanced upon a Nonesuch recording of musique concrete by Iannis Xenakis - and it blew me away, destroying all of my preconceived notions of what music had to be.
Ideas inspire ideas - music production has gone to so many other new levels, totally fascinating :)
A box of gravel.
1979 in fact, and produced by the BBC. It shows some of the facilities of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop as it was in 1979.
Many thanks Yuran,
There are two BBC Documentaries actually - "The New Sound of Music" 1979 - used here, and "The Alchemists of Sound" 2003 - that features the mysterious man in the background. I haven't been able to source who he is though.
Thanks!
Sometimes it's so fascinating that it makes me want to make music in some... experimental or gimmick-y way. I thought it was only for creepy kind of music, but I guess not. I'll see.
+Wolfen :^)
im a music tech and a Dr.Who fan ....... im so happy right now
with the alarm clock and the the beat counter thing all getting faster and the weird noise that the tape recorder makes looks like it should be in a horror movie
I love this guys confidence
Was just watching Gene Hackman in "The Conversation " David Shire used the Musique Concrete technique for some of the score in the movie , very hip! 😎
Absolutely epic.....and for the time and technology. This is exactly why music is an art. That and Rimba tubes.
Such an amazing video! I am so glad to be born in the TH-cam era!
4:29 sounds like the ed edd n' eddy theme
ed edd n' eddy in acid ahahhaha XD
its weird to think that we living these guys' future
Good lord, the physical manipulation of media on tape must've taken the patience of a saint and skill of a surgeon.
Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful!
So this is what tape splicing is. I heard all about this about had no idea what it actually was until now. Wow so cool! You can literally do this exact technique via Audacity- without the fuss of physical tapes. Would be fun to do it authentically at some point, though.
You should look into how Delia Derbyshire made the first Doctor Who theme. Its crazy. they would work out how many inches of tape made, say, a bar of music and then at the right moment play another tape loop to interact with that which was 3/4 bar so was ever changing. She made that whole theme with no synthesizers!
So so so so so trippy. i love it
scary
The BBC Documentary was broadcast I believe in 1979.
I always wondered how they edited music before there were computers. i didn't know they literally cut the tape~
That cash register composition is SO sardonic it makes my eyes cross with delight!
Inspired so many things in pop culture. The Beatles, electronic music bands...list goes on.
Silver apples
Anybody can make racket
4:06 the opening to Time by Pink Floyd
Followed up by a bit of 'Money' .
analoguously refreshing
This is so interesting! I would love to be able to experiment with reel-to-reel, sadly at this day in age it's way way too expensive for me...
This is done these days with modern computer DAWs. Same techniques and aesthetic, but with samolers and sample packs.
Really good video.
Funnily enough, Fairlight released their CMI in the same year as this segment, making this genre of music easier (albeit not cheaper).
This is a great educational video for modern music lovers.
do you also listen to tibetan throat singing field recordings and wall noise
Very cool
Well, thist time I wasn't actually looking for some Doctor Who stuff, but it popped up anyhow! :D
i liked the bottle part at the end, does anyone know any composers who did anything with that sort of idea?
Thanks for uploading this, really helps with my work.
Absolute genius
This video is helping me to understand Deleuze and Guattari. Thank you.
Fascinating!
Of course,
Just sample the section you need with some filtering or reverb for effect.
First kind of "ymv"?
So interesting. Thx for sharing
Okay, I'm in love with this clip.
Oh man, that was fascinating.
Hello, I have posted in four parts "The New Sound of Music" - the documentary from which this excerpt came. Have a look. If you still need anything extra, just contact me.
still love it!!
Thank you. I was curious as to what exactly is musique concréte because The Mars Volta use it on various occasions, but I didn't really understand until now. Truth is that I have already been planning to make music this way, but I've been calling it "noise music".
Well as far as i know. Noise music has 4 different sides. Wall Noise,Power Electronics,Harsh Noise and Musique Concrete.
This guy is like the Carl Sagan of electronic music.
It may have started there in 1958, but that was decades after it had originally been started.
very good video, thanks
This is similar to how Delia Derbyshire played the Dr who theme.(which I said before I saw and heard mention of it on this clip)
People watching this in 2020
30% Interested People (Curious people)
10% Random People
60% Grade 10 students (Modular Classes)
like me... bruhhh
Awesome.
One could say that hip hop, in its traditional style, did the same thing but with but with turntables and funk/soul records
We're a few more videos from being on that side of the youtube again.
I searched for this, i must be contributing in weird ways ~~
I'm here because I was reading about Dark Side of the Moon on wikipedia and it mentioned Musique concrète.
What would YOU do for a vintage tape machine? Would you........would you kill a man?
maybe...
+VV already have
Extraordinary. That was how it all started.
YOU ARE SO DEEP AND INTELLIGENT
I am quite find of the box of gravel and defunct alarm clock.
I'm outcast from the material world
i am obsessed..........................
This is a lovely video and I really like the host too!
Love it!
"mum, what happened to all the pots and pans?" "ask your dad, he's in the basement trying to create Moonlight Sonata"
Now I know where Pink Floyd got their idea for the intro to 'Money'.... This video!!!
This video is from 1979, Money is from 1973
Well, Ive learned something new, and I have seen it before without realizing it
0:33 slideshows about to be crazy 😭💀
loved the bottles!!!!
Fascinating
possible to get the sound with a 'reversed delay' effect.
this video makes me feel not so alone
some bands like the beatles incorporated this style into their songs as well.
The basis and inspiration of modern chill-hop and LoFi.
The ancestor of tracker music.
this is the origin of all electronic music
No one knows the origin of electronic music. Electronic music is about 121 years old. The oldest we know of is Noise music from 1913 by Luigi Russolo
Those bottles sounded great
If you like this you should check out the Delia Derbyshire documentary too. She's the one who made the Doctor Who theme
Stockhausen where are you?