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  • @shinecomics
    @shinecomics  27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1432

    GO BUY PUBLIC DOMAIN BY CHIP ZDARSKY!

    • @LowellLucasJr.
      @LowellLucasJr. 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@shinecomics I gotta buy this book!!!

    • @blobfishman977
      @blobfishman977 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Bro you gotta fix your mic I feel like you're standing right behind me

    • @TheFunnyDictator
      @TheFunnyDictator 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@blobfishman977 Is that a bad thing or a good thing, bruh, dude?

    • @TheFunnyDictator
      @TheFunnyDictator 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​​@@blobfishman977Also, what does that bio mean, bruh, dude?!

    • @blobfishman977
      @blobfishman977 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@TheFunnyDictator not so good because your cutting in and out of both

  • @nathanhernandez1126
    @nathanhernandez1126 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10865

    Bill finger and batman

    • @KamenStreamer
      @KamenStreamer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +183

      I was gonna say the same thing

    • @skits2240
      @skits2240 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

      Great example

    • @ChristianHernandez-yt
      @ChristianHernandez-yt หลายเดือนก่อน +294

      *YES!!!!!!* I heard that he died poor. Not a lot of people even know about him.

    • @skits2240
      @skits2240 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

      @@ChristianHernandez-yt it's good at least some people know now

    • @alexvaldelamarbustamante3835
      @alexvaldelamarbustamante3835 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      who? :(

  • @miguelperez9906
    @miguelperez9906 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9611

    Didn’t the guy who made the Thor movies say he hadn’t even read Thor comics at all. So this really fits.

    • @paladinluke37
      @paladinluke37 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +185

      Which one? There's been three directiors

    • @elmisfit09
      @elmisfit09 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1055

      ​@@paladinluke37 Taika, he said je tried to read one but full asleep, and that he doesn't care about Norse mythology nor culture

    • @afro4640
      @afro4640 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +625

      @@elmisfit09 It shows.

    • @tacotuttle
      @tacotuttle 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +582

      @@elmisfit09 Jesus, why would he ever even admit to that

    • @shoopydoopy6062
      @shoopydoopy6062 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

      @@elmisfit09 that’s so based to admit that

  • @gp-1542
    @gp-1542 หลายเดือนก่อน +5245

    Moral of the story
    Get a lawyer, a good lawyer

    • @JoaoMarquinhoooooooos
      @JoaoMarquinhoooooooos หลายเดือนก่อน +150

      BETTER CALL SAUL!

    • @vihuynhquang5204
      @vihuynhquang5204 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

      And a gun

    • @jestyo0o
      @jestyo0o 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      @@JoaoMarquinhoooooooos I instantly knew there was gonna be reply like this lmao

    • @Mysweetdoppio
      @Mysweetdoppio 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      A Good(man) lawyer, I would say

    • @TheSalemCrow
      @TheSalemCrow 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

      A better idea would be to NOT work for any of the big companies who own anything you create (DC/Marvel). With Image you get to keep the rights, but you'd still need a good lawyer if you wanted it adapted into anything past comics.

  • @alejandrogonzalez00
    @alejandrogonzalez00 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4138

    This needs to be adapted into either a movie or a tv series so that it can be seen everywhere to how comic creators have been treated for the longest time

    • @BalancedtheScales
      @BalancedtheScales 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +188

      That the actors and director won’t care about and then botch the message to put themselves in a better light

    • @alejandrogonzalez00
      @alejandrogonzalez00 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      @@BalancedtheScales then I guess they’d hav to find the right people who would actually care about making it

    • @BalancedtheScales
      @BalancedtheScales 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      @@alejandrogonzalez00
      I guess
      I just don’t have that much hope in film media right now

    • @alejandrogonzalez00
      @alejandrogonzalez00 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@BalancedtheScales I know what you mean man

    • @notproductiveproductions3504
      @notproductiveproductions3504 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hollywood would do everything in their power to prevent production

  • @isabellebread9773
    @isabellebread9773 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2560

    Jack Kirby, Steve ditko

    • @Kind_of_Human
      @Kind_of_Human 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      Thank u I thought I wouldn't see Steve here he fr the goat

    • @EEAEE616
      @EEAEE616 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Until ditko read those ayn rand thingies

    • @dolier2802
      @dolier2802 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      @@EEAEE616 That's really irrelevant to his involvement in the creation of Spider-Man and Doctor Strange

    • @YIOMMI-oo5yb
      @YIOMMI-oo5yb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      didn't he plotted
      That protesters issue?

    • @edgonlo17
      @edgonlo17 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You mean the issue where he didn’t care about the protesters? Also Didn’t Romita SR era did almost the same?

  • @living_migz
    @living_migz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5458

    Spiderman was not a good example we all cried when Stan Lee died

    • @stephonmanny7555
      @stephonmanny7555 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1212

      He had to sued marvel in 2002 because they weren’t paying his share from the movies.

    • @AmphotericcMike
      @AmphotericcMike 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +532

      It's not that people dislike/dont care about him, its about the fact that he among other writers often get shafted on their own creations, losing rights, profit or even acknowledgement from the big corporations outside of maybe a cameo or big event

    • @hoodlum4511
      @hoodlum4511 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +502

      How about Steve ditko?

    • @stephonmanny7555
      @stephonmanny7555 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +188

      Apparently he was abused in his last years of life by his business partners according to his family.

    • @That_Web_Guy1810
      @That_Web_Guy1810 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +404

      The Irony that you didn’t mention Steve Ditko. 😔

  • @YumeArtysie
    @YumeArtysie 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +72

    This why we get so happy when an actor confesses they're a fan of the character they're playing

  • @D3A7h518
    @D3A7h518 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1246

    Steve Ditko comes to mind, being a vital part of the industry but in life he never really got what he deserved or even wanted until he went indie, but even that was more of an underground thing away from all the glitz and glamour of his former repute

    • @freehamm
      @freehamm 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      he also had a thing for femdom and incorporated it into the comics

    • @edgarsalazar5521
      @edgarsalazar5521 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      To be fair Steve really didn’t speak much he just let his work speak for itself and even when offered money for the Spider-Man films he declined it now does have to do with anything no clue just wanted to add this

    • @D3A7h518
      @D3A7h518 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@edgarsalazar5521 that’s true but there’s more to it. Him not taking money from the movies probably a byproduct of him not checking checks he got from spider-man back when he was writhing him, plus him not publicly speaking has to do with Objectivism’s view of art, that being that the artist shouldn’t have explain one’s art, let it speak for it self. And he carried that out further than even it’s own creator

    • @14DANESSJ
      @14DANESSJ 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Atleast Stan Lee acknowledged him.
      Unlike Bob Kane

    • @edgarsalazar5521
      @edgarsalazar5521 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@14DANESSJ well kinda Stan still considers himself as sole creator because he had the idea but yeah bob kane is real way worse

  • @RichardWilliams-zb4eo
    @RichardWilliams-zb4eo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +562

    This is a pretty true comic. And here's a real view on the realistic aspects of this. When Hugh Jackman was asked to play Wolverine, he thought he was literally going to be an animal. He showed app and he didn't even know who Wolverine from the x men was yet. He continued to play the character, not knowing who this popular character was that was around way before his career and made his career. True story

    • @andreimario5632
      @andreimario5632 หลายเดือนก่อน +155

      @@RichardWilliams-zb4eo yes, except Hugh Jackman actually cares about Wolverine now, and has grown fond of him

    • @ginogatash4030
      @ginogatash4030 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

      I really dont see the ussue with him not knowing Wolverine, like directors are there for a reason, you don't need to research and study decades of publication to get ready for the role, it certainly helps if you got that knowledge, but I don't agree with the notion that everyone on a production needs to be fan of the material adapted, being a fan doesn't mean you automatically know how to tell a good story, or even understand the character you're a fan of, Spiderman Lotus is painful proof of this.
      At the end of the day it's a creative process, and professionalism and creativity are the most important, a wikipedia knowledge of the source material for the sake of fan service alone is worthless, some of the best movies aren't that faithful of an adaptation but still rock, plus current superhero adaptations tend to suck because of all the money in the industry, every producer wants to ensure it sells and end up suffocating the project with bad decisions in serve of profit.

    • @chimera9818
      @chimera9818 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      @@RichardWilliams-zb4eo well in the end he is considered one of the best casting for a character

    • @theGhostSteward
      @theGhostSteward 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      ​@ginogatash4030 yes and no... like... I don't have much formal study in theater but it's enough experience to know how much teather actors care about the characters. Maybe the reason is how many times they do the same character and expose themselves to it (you definitely see this in some works from Hugh Jackman such as les Miserables and the Greatest showman). But with hero movies it's seems like the show biss people tell: they just go to the gym, put a coolant and show up...

    • @ginogatash4030
      @ginogatash4030 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@theGhostSteward well I don't know what you expect, getting trained in theatre means you learn shit about theatre and famous plays meaning they're likely to be into theatre stuff more, though they still obviously can fall in love with superhero roles too, and if not for the series for the acting job at least.
      It's like being surprised at superhero comicbook writers and artists being absolute nerds of Marvel and DC stuff while knowing nothing about manga and anime, it's not impossible to be into both but most creatives are just more likely to enjoy stuff relative to their specialization than other stuff.

  • @marvellexikon8843
    @marvellexikon8843 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +507

    RIP Bill Finger😢

    • @Marksman_12
      @Marksman_12 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      May he be at peace.

  • @MichaelJEngelmann
    @MichaelJEngelmann 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +511

    I’m a bigger DC guy than Marvel but I loved both since a kid. When Stan Lee died & his daughter said Disney didn’t treat him good, other fans said Disney did treat him good because they put him in their movies. They wouldn’t have those movies if it weren’t for him & others. And just bc they publicly loved him doesn’t mean he was always treated that way. A multi billion dollar company I can easily see them having a show pony but behind closed doors they treat them less than dirt. I can see that.

    • @Joey-vs4fr
      @Joey-vs4fr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      I heard from a TH-camr called Charles Peralo that even his own daughter overworked him
      Did you mistype something

    • @Inventorcoyote
      @Inventorcoyote 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      I wouldn’t trust the word of Stanley’s daughter she has done some pretty horrible things with her father’s fame and status while he was alive

    • @Joey-vs4fr
      @Joey-vs4fr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@MichaelJEngelmann excuse me, I was just asking if you mistyped something, because that’s certainly not what I heard
      What makes you think we’re bots

    • @Joey-vs4fr
      @Joey-vs4fr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@MichaelJEngelmann what’s with you calling us bots

    • @Joey-vs4fr
      @Joey-vs4fr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MichaelJEngelmann 🙄

  • @SketchIsBored
    @SketchIsBored 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +420

    Superman is the best example of this

    • @lukefortune8314
      @lukefortune8314 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      how. i do wonder

    • @dumbly-stupid
      @dumbly-stupid หลายเดือนก่อน

      @lukefortune8314 superman was bought for only $2,814 (that's counting for inflation since 1938) and the creators were reaped of royalties

    • @FLAMEBERGE-LCB
      @FLAMEBERGE-LCB หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@lukefortune8314 Kid named Injustice Superman:

    • @GloriousSquizoKing.
      @GloriousSquizoKing. 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

      @@lukefortune8314 Just look at most of the popular series today. The Boys and Invencible, even Injustice Superman are main examples we have of people taking a "piece" of the idea of Superman and just making it dark and edgy.

    • @adarshsridhar6051
      @adarshsridhar6051 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      @@GloriousSquizoKing.That’s different, it’s taking the idea of Superman and twisting it and showing a different way to portray him. It’s not actually having him, in his original form, in that way. The injustice Superman is an AU of him. Invincible and boys aren’t even in the same continuity.

  • @jtjelani
    @jtjelani 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    The sad reality of the relationship between comics and Hollywood makes me incredibly grateful for actors like Downey, Hamill, Boseman, and even those dudes who made Clone High and now work on Spider-verse because their projects would be NOTHING without them and others actually respecting and loving the stories they build on

  • @BeorOng
    @BeorOng 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Actors who actually loved comics and pushed back on producers made their characters more iconic and loved in the end - henry cavills superman, ryan reynolds deadpool, all 3 spidermen, and im gonna throw in inaki godoy as luffy as a manga adaption...when a character is actually treated the way it deserves those adaptions have done well cause it lives up to expectations

  • @darthazgorath9570
    @darthazgorath9570 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +187

    I can't remember if it was Joe Schuster for Jerry Siegel that this story is referring to, but after selling the rights to Superman, one of them was found as a bellow minimum wage usher at a New York movie theater showing Richard Donner's Superman movie.

    • @ExemAwkan
      @ExemAwkan 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@darthazgorath9570 damn that's got to hurt

    • @edgarsalazar5521
      @edgarsalazar5521 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      No they were paid for the flocks by that time but yeah they were fucked over

    • @DanyTV79
      @DanyTV79 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@darthazgorath9570 one worked in a dinner, the other in was almost blind living with his sister. Neal Adams told that story.

    • @darthazgorath9570
      @darthazgorath9570 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @DanyTV79 a truly sad stroy, it was too

  • @GuiltlessGear
    @GuiltlessGear 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +193

    Thanks for shining a spotlight on this.

    • @shinecomics
      @shinecomics  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      No problem man!

  • @popeye697
    @popeye697 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Steve Ditko. Jack Kirby is a close second. Jack is the one who actually designed Spidermans costume

  • @salimstibbsstibbs9354
    @salimstibbsstibbs9354 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +197

    Superman sitting in the corner like he wasn’t the first and most known hero ever

    • @T_Dragon7777
      @T_Dragon7777 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      What about The Phantom? He was made before Superman.

    • @TakeMinamoto
      @TakeMinamoto 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

      @@T_Dragon7777 as much as I love that people call attention to The Phantom, as he was the progenitor of many tropes we now associate to comic book heroes (tight bodysuit with trunks, domino mask with white eyes), it was Superman the one that exploded in popularity and established the super hero genre as we know it

    • @T_Dragon7777
      @T_Dragon7777 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@TakeMinamoto agreed. But we can’t forget The Phantom.

    • @Another_Hibiki
      @Another_Hibiki 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Golden Bat predates Superman by 8 years and Phantom by 6, making his debut on traveling shows... even if he is not as popular as Superman (outside of Japan).

    • @noonerulesmeBLUD
      @noonerulesmeBLUD 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@salimstibbsstibbs9354 what about golden bat? He was literally the first

  • @fadillah6014
    @fadillah6014 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +220

    Artist really can't get rest didnt they

    • @dr.ludvigmaxis2636
      @dr.ludvigmaxis2636 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      What?

    • @themanonthewallgammairradi8763
      @themanonthewallgammairradi8763 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@dr.ludvigmaxis2636 Huh?!

    • @fadillah6014
      @fadillah6014 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@dr.ludvigmaxis2636 I meant isn't that clear enough? From past till now they either had miserable life or straight up exploited.

    • @micahchaplin536
      @micahchaplin536 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@themanonthewallgammairradi8763 I think they are referring to the terrible grammar.

    • @fadillah6014
      @fadillah6014 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@micahchaplin536 is my grammar really that bad? How should I typed it to make it better?

  • @skits2240
    @skits2240 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

    Bill Finger

    • @Batvengence66
      @Batvengence66 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I was going to say the same thing

    • @skits2240
      @skits2240 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Batvengence66 I'm glad people know his name now

    • @addison_v_ertisement1678
      @addison_v_ertisement1678 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Kid named Finger:

  • @MoroccanRose85
    @MoroccanRose85 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    And this is why Image comics was created. Shoutout to Wildstorm.

  • @Noobnormality
    @Noobnormality 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    Heroes really had it rough these days, even the people i know would favor ridiculously comical characters for the sake of shock value over those that actually inspire.

  • @sitthefreakdownboi1873
    @sitthefreakdownboi1873 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I mean we did get The Batman(2022) and we are soon getting Spider-man 4 in the MCU and on the plus side did you know that Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man is the closest we have on a live action comic accurate Spider-Man

  • @shinecomics
    @shinecomics  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +652

    FULL VIDEO ON MY CHANNEL!

    • @Deimosviva
      @Deimosviva 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Now imagine some talentless hacks make a raceswaped knock off of said character and morons like you eat it up 🤡

    • @miekwavesoundlab
      @miekwavesoundlab 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Which video tit le?

    • @SkipHooper
      @SkipHooper 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thats why Todd is smart he keeps every rights to Spawn.

    • @Deimosviva
      @Deimosviva 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Now imagine they make a diverse knock off and an overweight moron glazes them constantly.

    • @Nord_Meadly
      @Nord_Meadly หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@shinecomics where would I find this I don’t live near a comic store anymore so do you have any online suggestions?

  • @sandflame5811
    @sandflame5811 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    This is why I am grateful that Twitter exists, you can publish your work yourself, yes you may not have that many followers but you will have some and that is already a start

  • @Slicey1
    @Slicey1 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    ahh good ol’ chip zdarsky always makin the best comics

  • @Groggle7141
    @Groggle7141 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Why'd you use an AI Spider-Man at the beginning?

  • @ShatteredQvartz
    @ShatteredQvartz หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Funnily enough, it's IP retention and hoarding, and not entering the Public Domain what is doing this to characters

    • @reddytoplay9188
      @reddytoplay9188 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yeah idk if the author named it public domain because it is more catchy or he just doesn't understand the problem and thinks selling your IP to a business is public domain

  • @HypedHazard456
    @HypedHazard456 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Meanwhile, the opposite is the case for mangas. Fans care a little too much for the creators

  • @silverbane266
    @silverbane266 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is pretty much accurate which does saddens me.

  • @kevinruddock6837
    @kevinruddock6837 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Soooooooo basically Disney

  • @kamenrideruniter4503
    @kamenrideruniter4503 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    Marvel to stan lee in a nutshell:

    • @thesmilyguyguy9799
      @thesmilyguyguy9799 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@kamenrideruniter4503 more Like Marvel And DC To Jake Kirby

    • @ginogatash4030
      @ginogatash4030 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      What the fuck are you talking about? They've had the man cameo in near every film and he got mega rich, if anything this describes gis collaborators who got shafted like Jack Kirbi or Steve Ditko.

    • @thesmilyguyguy9799
      @thesmilyguyguy9799 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ginogatash4030 yes

    • @reynaldolima5171
      @reynaldolima5171 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Stan Lee to dikto and kirby

    • @thesmilyguyguy9799
      @thesmilyguyguy9799 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@reynaldolima5171 true Ture

  • @mrlgreenthunder7138
    @mrlgreenthunder7138 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I get that a lot of actors and directors of the movies don’t care, but at least it’s not true for all of them. Some actors and directors are huge fans of the movies and series they create, and I think that shows.

  • @AzathothTheTrueGod
    @AzathothTheTrueGod 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Most fans don’t even care about the creators or the people who do the work. It’s the nature of consumerism.

    • @joserobertosolismerlin5527
      @joserobertosolismerlin5527 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@AzathothTheTrueGod I care

    • @AzathothTheTrueGod
      @AzathothTheTrueGod 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@joserobertosolismerlin5527 Good. My point remains though. People claim ownership of things they’re fans of and then get mad when it’s not specifically for them.

    • @Another_Hibiki
      @Another_Hibiki 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@AzathothTheTrueGodExcept for some of Star Wars and Indiana Jones, i generally only see it happening as you described when there is a new writter trashing on the creator's original vision that so many fans became fond (something that is one of the points of the comic from this shorts), specially if it is politically motivated.

    • @AzathothTheTrueGod
      @AzathothTheTrueGod 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@Another_Hibiki I disagree because people get mad that X-Men is “woke” when the original vision was ALWAYS an allegory for discriminated people. Not a great one because the X-Men have powers that could easily kill large groups of people but still.
      Punisher always hated seeing cops with his logo because as he says “that’s not for people who are supposed to be good”. Yet people still get mad when you mention that even though it’s the writers vision. He’s aware of who he is and that he’s not a “good guy”.
      If Superman came out today he’d be called woke because he was made by two Jewish immigrants who wished for a hero that would stop all the bigotry and inspire people to be the best of humanity. He even for a time renounced his citizenship when there were some Luthor shenanigans.
      People got mad when Captain America said he sees all Americans as equal and wasn’t a warmonger with an “ends justify the means” mentality”. When Falcon became his sidekick people said it was pandering. When he didn’t want illegals to be harmed people got upset even though he mentioned why the immigration process is at times sluggish. When he changed his costume people said he was “siding with illegals” because it looked kinda like Puerto Rican flag with the chevrons. And when he was killed during Civil War people said it was to insult the US.
      Comics in general go through constant changes, retcons, reboots, revivals, deaths etc and fans today get too angry about it. A lot of the edgy extreme 90s redesigns from when I was a kid were hated. Punisher died twice, was an Angel, a magic wielder, and when he was killed by Wolverines son was put back together as “Frank-N-Castle”.
      People forget that some folks had issues with Storm and Colossus when they came out. Because Storm was black, and Colossus was a Russian who everyone thought would make the XMen commies. People had an issue with Miles Morales for being black and Hispanic.
      It’s why people say “this isn’t MY Marvel/DC” because they demand ownership and don’t want anyone else to do the same. People take it way too seriously and think any change or disagreement is a personal attack.
      When it comes to the movies those are made ENTIRELY to cater to younger people and make money. People pretend like they’re the comics and are meant for those in their 30s-40s. Same with Star Wars. We liked them as kids.
      Hell people are upset that POKÉMON is “too easy now” and not that they played them as literal CHILDREN with child brains. They aren’t meant for adults but they can play them if they want.
      That’s what I’m getting at. I understand when things are market tested to hit the quadrants and have to have a checklist of ethnicity, sexuality, body type, sex. But that’s been around since Captain Planet. It’s just much more blatant to an insulting degree.

    • @AzathothTheTrueGod
      @AzathothTheTrueGod 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@Another_Hibiki Sorry for the long message. But I thought you deserved a substantial answer with full context. I know that’s not everyone btw. Nor am I saying anyone with any issue is wrong. Many criticisms are valid just wrong when they feel personally hurt.

  • @asaknight321
    @asaknight321 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I need everyone at Warner bros and Disney especially at star wars and marvel to see this: You either pay respect to the thing you're working on, to the fans, to the OG creator, and for actors to do justice to the characters they're playing as or using or you get the hell out. Unfortunately warner bros and Disney have lost that golden rule

    • @vihuynhquang5204
      @vihuynhquang5204 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Lost, or deliberately ignored?

    • @tabaributler2225
      @tabaributler2225 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@asaknight321 lately all the stories that I hear about how works get ruined by corporation greed have made me feel like the fans, original artists or someone should start a large boycott on corporations until they get it through their thick skulls that you can't just be in it for the money, you're also doing it for people who take an interest in your stuff.

    • @tantheman4512
      @tantheman4512 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Mostly Disney

  • @diffish2701
    @diffish2701 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Love and passion of art is not the desire and want for fame and wealth

  • @orangeyellow-me1pz
    @orangeyellow-me1pz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    I dont know, ryan seems to be doing an amazing job as dead pool.

    • @IMachineHeadI
      @IMachineHeadI 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      There’s always exceptions

    • @notproductiveproductions3504
      @notproductiveproductions3504 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Ryan’s the exception

    • @HectorPryorYT
      @HectorPryorYT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Ryan's great

    • @martialedits4335
      @martialedits4335 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Deadpool not the best example. Ryan's not truly playing the hollow, cheap knock off character Rob Liefeild created more so the Joe Kelly and later writer and artists interpretations of the character.

    • @amphere9147
      @amphere9147 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      There's Ryan and Henry cavil

  • @Zminator1986
    @Zminator1986 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Sounds like what Disney and Warner Bros are doing nowadays.

  • @WallNutBreaker524
    @WallNutBreaker524 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is why Indie Entertainment is the Future.

  • @thedarkpixel6087
    @thedarkpixel6087 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I don't think using AI in the video helps getting the respect for creators point across, seems contradictory, if you value artists and creators who put their soul on characters and Art don't use AI

    • @RjGoombes
      @RjGoombes หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Exactly what i was thinking.

  • @silentnight3192
    @silentnight3192 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    In other words, Modern Hollywood?

  • @GottaBGlitches
    @GottaBGlitches วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Superhero movies are our modern mythology" could've sworn I heard that line before somewhere.

  • @theghostofjeffgoldblumdail9613
    @theghostofjeffgoldblumdail9613 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Honestly, comic writers don’t even get anything as good as a courtesy invite to a movie premiere. The creator of the Winter Soldier showed up to the premiere of the film and was turned away.

  • @chis-ee9eo
    @chis-ee9eo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    This show comic are being run down by greedy people who are in charge how big company who make too much money well disrespected Creator and fan base just because they rich

  • @jk7102
    @jk7102 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Dragon Ball evolution... RIP Toriyama...the actor who played Goku apologized for messing it up😢

    • @AstraFulminous
      @AstraFulminous 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Nah it wasn't Justin. He actually read up on the material. It was the script writer who apologized, because he had rushed the film ,and even then he had only gotten the job because Fox tried to maintain their rights for a film and didn't care how. And even then when he had turned in a better script closer to the original Fox kept turning them down. Leading to no one caring for Toriyama's view on set. And as a result a horrible film.
      Later the english voice actor for Zamasu, who had also read up on DB and also played Piccolo in Evolution it was explained by English Voice Cas for the Anime how he also apologized in his own way and took on the role of Zamasu for free because he wanted to make it back to the fans.
      The resulting poor treatment of Dragon Ball via Evolution is also what went on to motivate Toriyama into creating Dragon Ball Super citing that he had grown more attached to Dragon Ball than he thought and how he wanted to see it done right.

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@AstraFulminousJustin Chatwin recently apologized after Toriyama died

  • @midnight_dusk6574
    @midnight_dusk6574 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There are ppl like Mark Hamill ,who plays the Witcher , who care about their role and I understand that you're not putting those actors down ,your shorts come through my feed a lot and they're really informative most times

  • @GabrieLEX01
    @GabrieLEX01 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's come full circle, there are creatives in comics that don't care about comics and are just using it as a stepping stone to Hollywood

  • @DahGabriel-gk2cr
    @DahGabriel-gk2cr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    An example is Superman

    • @kacpermazurek4563
      @kacpermazurek4563 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Also Dan Slott's Superior Spider-Man.

  • @marcussantos188
    @marcussantos188 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Second time I’ve seen someone talk about this indie comic and maybe this will be the third one I give a shot.

    • @shinecomics
      @shinecomics  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      PLEASE READ IT!!! I have a full video on my channel that talks more about the plot and stuff. Its really good!

  • @oolooo
    @oolooo 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Basically , if Tolkien was around to see Rings of Power .

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Tolkien sold off the rights when he was still alive and that's why we got the subpar animated movies

  • @franciscs1604
    @franciscs1604 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    But what about Stan Lee & Marvel?
    Frank Miller with *”The Dark Knight Returns”* ?

  • @miningfordiamonds7978
    @miningfordiamonds7978 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Some superheroes/villains this has happened to/happening to
    The flash and most of his villains
    Green arrow
    Dr fate
    Green lantern
    Batman
    Hulk
    Jane foster
    Scarlet witch
    Ant-man
    She-hulk
    Thor
    Harley quinn
    Joker
    Black widow
    Fantastic four
    Iron fist
    Captain marvel
    QuickSilver
    Dr. Doom
    Luke cage
    Superman
    Deadshot
    Black Adam
    Killmonger
    Aquaman
    Suicide Squad
    Superheroes/villains that have remained their integrity (imo)
    Spiderman
    Dr strange- for now
    Darkseid
    Thanos
    Guardians of the galaxy
    Black Panther
    Captain America
    Xmen except for the apocalypse movie
    Mr. Freeze
    Poison ivy
    Deadpool
    Wolverine
    Huntress
    Question
    Ra’s’al ghul
    Doomsday
    Lex luthor
    Jason todd
    Nightwing
    Damian
    Iron man
    Daredevil
    Punisher
    Loki
    Odin
    Hel
    Gorr

    • @bepisthescienceman4202
      @bepisthescienceman4202 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wdym?

    • @miningfordiamonds7978
      @miningfordiamonds7978 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bepisthescienceman4202 you want me to explain every character here? Pick a few and i’ll explain from there

    • @bepisthescienceman4202
      @bepisthescienceman4202 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@miningfordiamonds7978 no I just mean what do you mean

    • @miningfordiamonds7978
      @miningfordiamonds7978 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bepisthescienceman4202the video speaks about other creators ruining a superhero’s/villain’s reputation by either a shit comic or movie based on those characters.
      Like Joker is overused in comics and in movies, there is no reason to force Joker in on everything batman. Jared leto Joker ruined the joker, the game ruined him, the comics ruined him and it’s a fucking meme now where he is the jonkler since no one takes him serious anymore as what was an originally good character.
      I listed those superheroes/villains the same shit has happened to as the joker where their reputation is ruined by something fucking stupid.
      The 2nd list are characters i believe to be to their original spirit and made with love for the characters.

    • @bepisthescienceman4202
      @bepisthescienceman4202 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@miningfordiamonds7978 not really what the video is about the comic is more about the artist who made them and how they get shafted the movie could be the best in the world but it wouldn't matter cause what matters most if the original creator id given their time in the spotlight and the money

  • @daviddalton6094
    @daviddalton6094 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sounds like Hollywood

  • @Marvel_Sheild-agent
    @Marvel_Sheild-agent 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is why I watch the older Marvel movies (also other superhero movies) because those creators and directors actually had some respect for the comics and hero’s. Of course some things had to be changed for filming purposes but they did it in a respectful way.
    (R.I.P. Stan Lee, you were the best)

  • @bobatos2106
    @bobatos2106 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thats why i think ryan renolds was perfect as deadpool not only did he read the deadpool comics but he also fought for the movie to be filmed

  • @russellharrell2747
    @russellharrell2747 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Well, when the creators chose to go independent and formed Image all we got were edgy 90s super heroes. Even in the 80s we got dark and edgy Batman from Miller or the Charlton comics expys The Watchmen, but this and other examples were praised at the time and are now still held up as high art. The larger pattern is that Superheroes as a genre only seemed wholesome and sanitized during the Silver age when the Comics Code was first put into effect. Previously, Golden Age heroes were violent and dogmatic, only giving way in popularity to romance, horror, western and sci fi comics in the post war years. And as soon as the comics code was relaxed in the 70s we saw a return to the grittier side of super heroes, which continued throughout the dark 80s, the extreme 90s, and into the post 911 world that has permeated the 21st century.
    This video and the comic it presents has a grain of truth but seems to be ignorant of the overall history of comics and super heroes in general.

  • @Ultras_450
    @Ultras_450 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    That's the difference between Manga and comic book authors

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I mean we don't know if the people that direct the anime always read the manga, let alone the people that make the live action adaptations

    • @Ultras_450
      @Ultras_450 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ChangedMyNameFinally69 most directors read the source material and keep in touch with the mangakq

    • @ryanafriansyah7487
      @ryanafriansyah7487 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@ChangedMyNameFinally69Plus, there's a lot of news about how mangaka and animators are treated badly too

    • @TaddyDoMau
      @TaddyDoMau 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      there's not so much difference tbh both suffer by the industry

  • @ethandodson507
    @ethandodson507 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster of Superman, Bill Finger of Batman, Steve Ditko of Spider-man, the list goes on and on and on.

  • @PACIFICBboy
    @PACIFICBboy 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Creators losing control of their IP is one of the saddest things there is imo. It really is like losing a child in a way

  • @HovektheArtist
    @HovektheArtist หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    People mention steve ditko and jack kirby, the men known as gods in the industry, but nobody is mentioning bill finger the true creative creator of batman that was shafted and forgotten due to the actions of the creative partner bob kane to the point that bill finger died destitute and unknown while kane was sitting on millions

  • @Sans-ns2ms
    @Sans-ns2ms หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Saitama most realistic hero

  • @Stressed_N
    @Stressed_N 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of the biggest examples of going against this is the spawn comics, they even have a comic showing how the characters are stuck due to the rights having been sold

  • @DoctorLazers
    @DoctorLazers 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I met Ed Greenwood recently. Creator of the Forgotten Realms, the setting for DnD featured in multi-million dollar projects like DnD: Honor Among Thieves and Baldur's Gate 3. He still works at the library in Toronto to make a living and wasn't even credited in the film or game.

  • @silentshadowish
    @silentshadowish 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    everyone knew who stan lee was, at least the comic community

    • @sergio1753
      @sergio1753 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      What about Steve ditko?

    • @HELLO_KORO
      @HELLO_KORO 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yet they don't know Chris Claremont who introduced everything that made the X men iconic and a bigotry allegory or Steve Ditko who introduced Spider-Mans iconic self loathing

    • @Swerv0.
      @Swerv0. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      But does everyone know all the other names that goes into making characters like that?

  • @thegoldennoob108
    @thegoldennoob108 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Moral of the story, be like Ryan Reynolds and actually care about the role you play

  • @ethanharvey576
    @ethanharvey576 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The guy who played Punisher read a few comics after getting the role.

  • @GeekHero_Bubba
    @GeekHero_Bubba 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Coming from Chip... That sounds like he's bragging.

  • @LaPtaVerdad
    @LaPtaVerdad 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Bro this is brutal!

  • @tootallforyou112
    @tootallforyou112 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It's very depressing but extremely realistic

  • @My6119
    @My6119 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Applies also to animators, graphic designers, song writers, all artists in general.

  • @alienvisitor8393
    @alienvisitor8393 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    sad reality is most of the directors of super hero movies dont know the chracters let alone read their comics before making the movie

  • @EMBEEAY
    @EMBEEAY หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    THIS is why I have a lot of faith in James Gunns DCU. Bro is the biggest comic nerd they could’ve chose at such a high level to direct the new era.

  • @ashurarts7825
    @ashurarts7825 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    that's why manga or solo running series are better most of the time from both writers perspective and consistency
    "not saying it's bad if someone else wrote it the story can be good af but i can assure you iver time it won't be consistent nor as visioned by the writer no matter what you do"

    • @joshjo9405
      @joshjo9405 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And then there's localization that pulls the same bullshit that comics go through.

    • @The_Evening_Sun
      @The_Evening_Sun หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Though manga definitely has it's own issues with weekly manga having crazy deadlines that leave no room for personal life continuously and the fact that in many action magazines you aren't able to have proper slow moments and downtime for fear of your series dropping in popularity and getting axed. When it's just one writer and they can't take long breaks until they've hit it big big, that wears on a person and can drop the quality in its own way as opposed to multiple authors who only have to lock in for their run.

    • @ashurarts7825
      @ashurarts7825 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@The_Evening_Sun those aren't plot related issues
      if we count non plot related issues then there comes a lot more in comics with multiple writers and big franchisee
      such as producers and editors have major control on comics than manga
      and creative liberty is limited as it's not only your own comic but a work of others as well

    • @The_Evening_Sun
      @The_Evening_Sun หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ashurarts7825 those are plot related issues. Many series had sudden drops in quality or had some really had storylines because the author was suffering burnout. It also impacts the flow of many series as many of them try and have constant action, and often struggle with slow moments with character development as they're afraid doing chapters like that will get them axed.

    • @ashurarts7825
      @ashurarts7825 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@The_Evening_Sun i guess you are judging from a similar type genre of manga
      the amount of manga that has this issue are usual shonen or seinen and even only some of em have this
      yes hiatus exist and i think it's for the better quality over quantity
      but you should read the vast majority of other genre as well there are more manga with none of such issue than the one that have this issue
      also this issue is face with comics too many comic issue are rushed because the editorial timeline and less no. page issue also many comics have the issue of writer vs artist biased as not everytime the artist is the same aa writer and can't completely convey his idea in comics directly

  • @user-nh1lp2td7c
    @user-nh1lp2td7c 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We needed this. Public domain is something that doesn't need to exist!

  • @NAVEMAN3
    @NAVEMAN3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sounds like DC in a nutshell with their live-action movies. At least Marvel gets it right...once in a blue moon

  • @qoa-bandit
    @qoa-bandit 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    This is why Todd McFarlane Spawn is so good. He's created and owned the character for the last 30 years

    • @VITAS874
      @VITAS874 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Unfortunately comics very mess up with not make spawn god, also cartoon work with this better.

  • @genesismultiverse4896
    @genesismultiverse4896 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    How the snyderverse ruined superman and batman in a nutshell

    • @filmpalace2426
      @filmpalace2426 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nah

    • @genesismultiverse4896
      @genesismultiverse4896 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@filmpalace2426 keep crying

    • @filmpalace2426
      @filmpalace2426 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@genesismultiverse4896 nah

    • @genesismultiverse4896
      @genesismultiverse4896 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@filmpalace2426 no I didn't say keep saying nah I never mind to be fair I can instead watch something with color and less focused on masculinity

  • @HerooftheWild
    @HerooftheWild 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If Seigel and Schuster were alive today, I can bet good money that they would've hated what Snyder did to Superman
    It's truly sad that these creators don't get paid for their works
    Bill Finger is a good example and so many more

  • @ZARG_the_ILL
    @ZARG_the_ILL 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Star wars hits different 😔😔

  • @ivanfrias2605
    @ivanfrias2605 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Snyders Superman and Batman

  • @TrueUnderDawgGaming
    @TrueUnderDawgGaming 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Although today they remove the edginess to make the hero more “Acceptable”

    • @russellharrell2747
      @russellharrell2747 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      It’s been an ongoing cycle since the beginning of comics. Has everyone forgotten the CCA?

  • @babysinclairfan
    @babysinclairfan 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like how they referenced that time Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) was turned into a villain because they wanted to replace him with the more modernized Kyle Rayner.

  • @EldritchMage3922
    @EldritchMage3922 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s literally my dream to create something popular and still be unknown having people enjoy what I made and looking up to it while being a normal person

  • @crescentedwards851
    @crescentedwards851 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This reminds me of Henry Cavill who always puts his best into his characters and even left a popular show because of how many changes were made from the books

  • @mr_bluegreen2214
    @mr_bluegreen2214 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jerry Sigel and Joe Schuster; created the most recognized superhero of all time and didn't retain any of the rights, they didn't see a penny from the comic sales, toys, movies or cartoons. They ended up working in a post office later in life. It's really sad 😢

  • @Flicker_thefo0x
    @Flicker_thefo0x 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Okay, a good note worth exception to this is Ryan Reynolds with Deadpool. He was a Deadpool fan before the movies.
    And he plays Deadpool amazingly in the movies.

  • @dannytarver4533
    @dannytarver4533 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I always wondered how Chris Evans felt about playing Captain America. I couldn't see anyone else being Steve Rogers. He seemed like he cared and gave his best

  • @Fairy_Teeth
    @Fairy_Teeth 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I get so excited for comic adaptation, idk why they usually forget the characters

  • @j13myoutube59
    @j13myoutube59 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Henry stein from bendy and the ink machine got treated the exact same way

  • @FRISHR
    @FRISHR 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Edison & Tesla
    Elon Musk & Martin Eberhard, Marc Tarpenning

  • @MekeninzoUG
    @MekeninzoUG 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    People only care about themselves in the end

  • @timexyemerald6290
    @timexyemerald6290 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dude is practically raining on that mic

  • @ISoloAll
    @ISoloAll หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    SNASPEY BONNIE DISS WHENNNN!??!!??!!?🙏🙏

  • @Leave_Me_Alone_PPL
    @Leave_Me_Alone_PPL หลายเดือนก่อน

    That’s why you create the best super hero ever and don’t sell out. Don’t sell your character or let anyone have the rights to the character. You have to be the one making the movies or shows. You know the character best and will make the story how you see fit.

  • @Chunkyloops
    @Chunkyloops หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Creators of Batman and Spiderman

  • @Spuddyorange
    @Spuddyorange หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yeah people was enjoying public domain a little TOO much with mickey 💀

    • @Romualdocappelli
      @Romualdocappelli หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Spuddyorange yeah, you are right.We have so many characters out of domain and all it's done are crappy horror movies😒

  • @MOJUTMNT
    @MOJUTMNT หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Then Ryan Reynolds came into the scene... though he did kill off Deadpool's girlfriend making her refrigerator girl.

  • @MarcelLWalker
    @MarcelLWalker 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a great series. Legitimately great. I'm glad to see it getting recognition. It shouldn't end up in dust bins and dollar-book boxes; it merits a collection.

  • @JonnesTT
    @JonnesTT 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's called public domain, but it represents what is happening with IP owner by corps? Dope.